SeaToSea

[forest valve]

bad idea probably

[primal plinth]

Ok

[forest valve]

customcraft also, beucase the mod modifies practically every recipe

that isnt a decoration

[primal plinth]

Fcs tho?

[barren oar]

fcs works but heavily modified to fit c2c

[primal plinth]

Oh ok

Ty

[trail ether]

figuring that out is the puzzle

i know that might come as a shock to someone who by the sounds of it has not had to do that yet

[trail ether]

because customcraft crashes the moment a mod removes a vanilla recipe

[forest valve]

yes

[primal plinth]

I just started a creative world and i see nothin new?

Is it like a special fabricator or somethin

[forest valve]

it is a complete game overhaul basically

majority of crafting recipes are different, you need to go to basically every biome and location to beat the game

[primal plinth]

isnt there new items too?

[jade osprey]

wait are you saying it's connected

[forest valve]

yes

[primal plinth]

I cant see them?

[forest valve]

then you might have installed the mod wrong

is the battery recipe different?

should need some kind of acid

[primal plinth]

Nope

installed it wrong

[forest valve]

then the -

yes

[primal plinth]

I put the Sea to sea in qmods?

[forest valve]

yes

and all mods associated with it

[primal plinth]

I did then what

[forest valve]

screenshot your subnuatica folder, and qmods folder

[forest valve]

u need to download all of reika's other mods

which are the highlighted ones here

[primal plinth]

Ohhhh

one sec

[forest valve]

bare minimum to run the mod well, including the recommended stuff

[primal plinth]

Let me check if i works one second.

[worldly valve]

You also need terrein extender

[primal plinth]

?

[worldly valve]

And i think radialtabs

[primal plinth]

I got radicaltabs already

[forest valve]

nope, only patcher is needed

[worldly valve]

Patcher is what i meant sorry

[forest valve]

yeah, extender is 2.0 only

[jade osprey]

wait I just learned you actually can have the performance booster in legacy

@forest valve does it actually work ?

[forest valve]

yea

but u will first need to open the game with no mods in qmods other than performance booster

just the game, no need to open a world

[jade osprey]

did you experience any performance creep in a world with a lot of progress ?

[forest valve]

yeah but that was before the update, lag issues are majority/all resolved now

had a 40 something hour save

[primal plinth]

Alr i made a sandwich now me testing.

[jade osprey]

tasting.

[primal plinth]

Lol

It works guys

[jade osprey]

damn now I wonder if it would've helped me

[forest valve]

if it was getting naer wrecks thing, it wouildnt have helped

i think someone else had a high end system and it was still happening

[jade osprey]

the performance is great with new update but it really start to pile up with time

[jade osprey]

yeah I don't expect these to be fixed but by the later stages I was going through safe shallows or around my base with constant stutters

[forest valve]

oh no the wrecks lag was fixed

[jade osprey]

these seem to be caused by the age of the world entirely

[jade osprey]

I guess except one lol

[primal plinth]

How to do refill the Liquid oxygen tank

[forest valve]

u just installed the mod

u should not be at the LOT right now

but you will find out later

we cant tell you, it takes experimenting

this mod needs very simple things, thinking skills and puzzle solving

[primal plinth]

ok

[jade osprey]

damn we have a speedrunner here

you're a natural at this

[flint aspen]

Is ||calcite|| related to a certain "long-calcified root system"?

[jade osprey]

Dont think so

[flint aspen]

Damn and here i thought i finally got the clue... 😢

[jade osprey]

Don't worry much about it you'll find it when you need it

[flint aspen]

I dont really need it but it would have been nice to have for the better lysing enzymes recipe. I guess i will have to go deeper then...

[solar vortex]

reached the same playtime as my old file and im noticebly behind in progression </3

at least my base looks better lol

[flint aspen]

welcome to the club...

[worldly valve]

The performance issue usually invovled lowering cpu ans gpu usgae

Sonehow

[trail ether]

I go out of my way to undermine speedrunners

[jade osprey]

Say that to my prawn

[trail ether]

say that to its recipe

[jade osprey]

Outjerked

[jade osprey]

The teasing is diabolical

[trail ether]

pray that you do not experience me actually being diabolical in mod design

for example https://i.imgur.com/r9WBODx.png

that feature was dropped on people without warning

very deliberately

those abusing the mechanic learned the hard way

and honestly even they could have learned a harder way

[jade osprey]

Wtf just shamelessly admitting that in front of new players

[trail ether]

that hole is not radioactive, for example

not that that would have made much sense for the coil anyway

my mods, at least the big content-heavy ones, all follow a very similar philosophy

the power ceiling (whatever that may mean for the applicable game) is far in excess of vanilla, but you will work for it, and by "work" I do not mean "wait", "grind", or "spam"

and that being lazy and/or stupid is going to be a very painful experience indeed

[jade osprey]

Truly the new generation miyazaki vision

[trail ether]

I have no idea what that is

but "new generation"? I have been modding for over a decade

hell the blog I posted an image of above is from 2014

the topical feature - ie coil limits - was added in October 2013

[jade osprey]

I assume you're a bit younger than that guy that's what I mean by generation

[trail ether]

assuming google has supplied the correct result, yes

I am not yet in my 50s

[jade osprey]

I'm no expert in biography but miyazaki pretty much had a unique vision of games which led to the souls genre which has certainly grown in popularity in years

You have a pretty distict vision yourself unless I'm wildly in the dark in this field of creators

[trail ether]

I do not know what that is either but I agree on the part about vision

[jade osprey]

Dark souls and all the derivatives

I think it started out as a bit of a wild guess game that evolved into it's own genre pretty much curated by this guy

But you instead modify the games hehe

The funny thing is this mod is my first ever experience in playing any modded game

It was damn fucking rough but I must admit I liked it

Lol

[worldly valve]

I wish that the co op mod was a hit better

I jnow in theory some peopel figured hoe to make it work with story events

[trail ether]

ah findally found it

https://i.imgur.com/OnsqwOm.png

ok that is an amusing typo

anyway that discussion is about one of my MC mods but it has exactly the same style of puzzles and solutions (information application, experimentation, observation) as C2C does

to perpetual grumbling, of which that was one part of one upwelling of

in another such discussion - ...argument... - someone complained that most mods just give you "here. content. enjoy", effectively giving you an unstructured collection of toys to use as you please with no greater organization, but mine impose a much more rigid expectation of how you play

and importantly, that this assumes that the player enjoys the intended way to play

but they had it backwards

it is not "here, play the mod, but you have to do it like this, and if you don't enjoy it too bad"; it is "here, this is what the mod is, if you enjoy that, play it, and if not, play something else"

that difference is crucial

[jade osprey]

Yeah thats fair

But I fully concur with the baseball bat guy

[trail ether]

this is something i will have to grapple with if I ever make an actual game for actually selling

since obviously commercial success does depend on courting a bunch of people, not "this is what I made, take it or leave it, those who don't want this can find something else"

[jade osprey]

Oh yeah you would have to trade a lot for it to be mainstream accessible

It might as well lose its soul in the process

[trail ether]

and with it my motivation to work on it

[solar vortex]

got to the nanocarbon right as it dissolved 😭

[jade osprey]

Bro must've been in the grand reef when it hit the koosh 😭

[trail ether]

I have failed to find it a few times, but never just failed

[worldly valve]

For a ling time the rasioa of where is fell was huge

My last file i basically waa in void when finsing them

Uaually they fell near the floating rock

[unreal flame]

there's a growing amenability to the concept of "a game for everyone is a game for no one"

[trail ether]

my last playthrough they had a very high chance of coming down in the dunes or around the aurora

i am not sure why

but more than 75% landed in one of those two places

[worldly valve]

They work a lot better now.

I still think its.more or less the roughest part to fjnd the first one

But this pmaythrough i got like 4 without even builsing the scanner

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/1zLtuUb.png

[worldly valve]

Tho i did stop around thr tungsten grain barrier

[trail ether]

i hope so

because it still seems, at least in many circles, like the dominant attitude is still Player Choice Is King And Only Tyrants Defy It

[worldly valve]

I generall am on the side of player options, though i beluev restrictions do have high interest and capability

[solar vortex]

ironically pretty much but swap the locations

[worldly valve]

My fav games in the pasr decade have been outer wilds and perhapa the witness

Tge witness is great

[jade osprey]

I always heard that outer wilds is like the closest feeling you can get to subnautica

I guess actually it was the closest feeling you can get to this mod

Vanilla subnautica didn't really have that much of a puzzle in it

The witness had some fantastic teaching methods and out of box puzzles but it's really not a mix of genres like this haha just plain raw puzzles

[solar vortex]

i found a time capsule that i assume c2c filtered the contents of but i read the message and no someone put a single piece of titanium in their time capsule

[jade osprey]

Fair

But can you actually put anything useful in it even in vanilla tho except the ion battery exploit

[solar vortex]

i got one that was swim charge fins
which im surprised wasn't filtered

[jade osprey]

Holy progression break

[trail ether]

that is not a progression-influencing tool

just a QoL

[jade osprey]

I hope I'll find a prawn in it in my next playthrough

[solar vortex]

useful things i've gotten in not c2c:
stasis rifle
thermoblade (although this one is pretty easy to get non-c2c)

am i supposed to stay still or move when collecting plankton

[worldly valve]

I got the super rare knife last file

And i got an advanced wiring kit seocnd time

[solar vortex]

hardened?

[jade osprey]

I think it collect momentarily

You just gotta hit it

[worldly valve]

Yeah hardenned

The one thay only got from the older knife that was removed alters into a different name in the capsul

[worldly valve]

Yes and no. I prefer outer wilds to subnautica. Tho i cqnt really play outerwilds anymore

But they habe a similar concept in explore for answers

[worldly valve]

This mod does a prettt good job of outwildsy. The only issue is all the survivability

[trail ether]

update released

[solar vortex]

mostly unimportant bug

[worldly valve]

So does anyone have any insight to the other hidden mechanic no one jnkws

[solar vortex]

?

[worldly valve]

Base plankton

Weve been more or less told there is a enchanic with it that one one has even looked at

[barren oar]

what the fuck is the coil made out of to produce a goddamn explosion

well probably the same idea behind wrong voltage causing an explosion in many electric mods which is actually kinda bullshit tbh just fry the machinery so it cant be used anymore

[solar vortex]

what fish is this so i can get rid of this wall of text 😭

ok i was right it was the blighter

[pine ginkgo]

The latest ver for C2C/Ecocean/DragonIndustries isn't breaking for existing saves I'm assuming?

[worldly valve]

Ive never had a save break but i havent updated

[pine ginkgo]

Thats fair, didn't seem like anything breaking from the commits

Always want to make sure though

[solar vortex]

i updated and nothing broke

id assume reika would say something if it did

[trail ether]

steel but the explosion is actually computed realistically

the steel variant explodes at 240TJ I think

convert that to kilotons, and compare with a cubic meter of TNT, which has an explosion power of 4.0...

[barren oar]

huh well im finding something about exploding wires but nothing about using steel to do it... i dont think its a good conductor anyway?

is this a creative liberty to force a setup to deal with it or based in reality? since i cant find much on the latter, myself

[trail ether]

the industrial coil is a windspring

no wires involved

[barren oar]

right i forgot rotary's idea was to use rotation than current

what the fuck are these formulas for the charg

well torque required to be able to charge it

[trail ether]

based on the spring equation

[prime moth]

im losing my mind
went down the whole reika mods rabbit hole, so i finally installed C2C and all its dependencies. and each time i launched the game, i downloaded the missing mod it told me that i needed. except now it doesnt tell me whats wrong, it just says Ecocean and C2C specifically are failing to launch

[forest valve]

screenshot your mod folder

u need all those at the very least, including mods the game or reika recommends

[prime moth]

yeah i dont see anything missing i dont think

radialtabs shouldnt be 100% dependancy, but i can see

im desperate enough lol

[unreal flame]

let's see the log

[prime moth]

all the other errors had a nice easily noticeable section before it went into the big long folder structure tree, but after i got all the legacy versions of QMod and ECC, the exact issue isnt very clearly stated any more

the thing that gets me is that the C2C update version shows yesterday as having an update, which makes me think that maybe theres an undiscovered issue with creating a first time save, so maybe i should just wait for the next patch?

[forest valve]

13 mb is definitely unnatural

[unreal flame]

it looks like ecocean failed to load for some reason

[forest valve]

fuckton of you

[unreal flame]

[QModManager:ERROR] Invoking the specified entry method "Load" failed for mod "ReikaKalseki.Ecocean"
[QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
  at ReikaKalseki.Ecocean.EcoceanMod.Load () [0x00294] in <6ba6e853cb834b00ab7606c8f624ba26>:0 
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod.InternalInvoke(System.Reflection.MonoMethod,object,object[],System.Exception&)
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00032] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 
   --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00048] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 
  at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 
  at QModManager.Patching.QModPatchMethod.TryInvoke () [0x00034] in <17412a3abc4a4e4196c5a94d73183573>:0```

[prime moth]

yeah i have no idea. im not good enough at programming to recognise anything major in that, other than the System.NullReferenceException which tends to be an internal issue, right?

ill look at it tomorrow. i uninstalled, fully wiped all remnants of modded game files, reinstalled, manually installed all mods and dependents, and its still mad. if theres another step that i could take, ill try it when i wake up

[jade osprey]

@prime moth I'm no expert but it seems like there are more mods in the log than in the folder screenshot
PrawnSuitGrapplingArmUpgrade.txt (140.00B)
| | | | |---- AutosortLockersSML.txt (427.00B)

[forest valve]

nope, just the language folder

[jade osprey]

why do these persist through a complete reinstall ?

[forest valve]

becuase steam does not uninstall mods that it does not recognise

or files i mean

[jade osprey]

so to do a complete reinstall I would have to copy mod folders from the web again

[forest valve]

no, steam does not uninstall files that were not installed from steam

u can put as many folders as you want in steam, it will not uninstall folders that it did not touch

[jade osprey]

but these untouched files could carry something over potentially right ?

[forest valve]

i dont think so

a regular old language file should not mess with your mods, thats either incredibly shitty coding or just not possible

computers are made with a set of instructions, if they are made to sift through folder number 3 but theres a folder number 4, they dont touch or interact with folder number 4, they are made to interact with folder number 3

a text file should not fuck your game unless its a modified file from the game which the game is not recognizing

and evne then there are failsafes so only the mod doesnt work, not your entire game

as you can see there

though this is not a case of that, it seems that some mod is unrecognized and simply has to be reinstalled

its possible that this person installed the source code

happeend a few times with rota

[jade osprey]

bro

I just remember having one weird ass problem that carried over savefiles

at some point my save fucked up and I couldn't interact with anything above water level but then I thought well no problem I will just replace this save file with my back up and go on my merry way

well no fucking merry way for me because apparenty every version of by backup ended up with the same problem

[forest valve]

so its a problem with one of your mods

[jade osprey]

and literally nothing helped it no reinstalls no batch clearing no sequence of fresh install and backup worlds made me be able to interact with anything every again on this specific world

I could however create a new world and it'll be completely fine

[jade osprey]

I stripped my game of any unnecessary mods literally just sea to sea at some attempt at reinstalling

still I couldn't do anything even when loading the backup world before the bugged one

I was just wondering how could that be possible that the issue persisted to the backed up save but didn't appear in a new world

[forest valve]

the backed up saves are the same as the main save

new saves are entirely new

[jade osprey]

I didn't have the issue in the main save at some point but then it just happened

[forest valve]

so its the same for your backups aswell

[jade osprey]

why wouldn't the backup version of this save at least follow the same sequence ?

[forest valve]

might be something that the initial save just triggered

so since the backups were the same as the first save

they triggered too

[barren oar]

no clearly sea to sea hates you and your save in particular

[jade osprey]

that's what I'm saying lmao

it's no longer a bug it's literally a curse

lol

cursed my entire saving bloodline

[jade osprey]

I was just wondering if that kind of thing could exist in this game since it just doesn't make sense to me really

like where that kind of trigger would even be located

and why does it even exist

[barren oar]

i faintly recall c2c not working with multiple saves at one point, though im not sure if that was ever the case - if it were, maybe you were playing during that time?

[jade osprey]

yeah at some point I really wanted to get to the bottom of this trying to isolate each compenent but ultimately I just gave up

[barren oar]

more realistically, c2c has a lot of its files that it keeps in the save file, so perhaps your backup just wasnt overriding it when you were copying it over for it did not exist in your backup

[jade osprey]

I literally was playing yesterday's version of the mod

[barren oar]

my bad then i thought you were the one who's finished it a while ago

i dont see anything else that c2c keeps that might be a concern and go over saves

[jade osprey]

it couldn't have happened when I fresh installed and then copied the backup before the bugged one ever got there

but it did

it's probably not c2c since I don't actually see anyone having the same issue

but it's still just so bizarre man

[trail ether]

is it rendering the entire biome tag list in the PDA

[trail ether]

I did that while testing a change

so no

moreover that exception is on game load, not save load

and is the main mod loading path

[solar vortex]

the entire thing is in the screenshot idk
i know it was trying to say the blood kelp trench (west of the sparse reef)

giving myself a scanner in a creative world results in this

[trail ether]

I just checked and it is working fine for me https://i.imgur.com/V9wGaqr.jpeg

and looking at it, you are not even seeing the same label for the biome even aside from the tag list

see VanillaBiomes Safe Shallows [...]

you are seeing the toString

but that is not what the PDA uses

are you using an old version or something

[prime moth]

WHAT? how???

[barren oar]

mod actually being gatekept fr

[prime moth]

getting scammed

i caved and hard wiped everything, which included my reshade files. but theres no way reshade is what was giving issues to Ecocean, right?

bottom line is that i have qmod and ecc through vortex. if thats somehow the issue, id be surprised

[forest valve]

you have a mix of mods between vortex and not vortex?

u can just drag the zips into vortex' "drop mod(s)" box

[solar vortex]

only happens with undiscovered biomes?

uhhh let me check my mods again

[prime moth]

i just completely purged vortex to run 100% manual installs
C2C still has the NullReferenceException
i give up man

on a positive note, the QMod log is no longer 10MB

[worldly valve]

Are there folders in the folders of your mods?

Thats a common issue

Like in in ecoocean, is there ecoocean folder?

You only want the "innie"

But idk

[solar vortex]

alterra might have some things to say when i leave the planet

[flint aspen]

Is there a special button i have to press to activate the sea moth tether module? I know that it should be selected but i tested every slot and i cant...

[barren oar]

you just press the number key of the slot where its in and the slot should light up

do note though that the trucking module only works for a few, select objects

[flint aspen]

ohh thanks that worked like a charm

strange though that i couldnt select it through the mousewheel like the radar ^^

[barren oar]

mousewheel user tax

[flint aspen]

holy is it normal that it drops the framerate like hell?

[barren oar]

usually depends on the location

Oh

wait tether module you mean?

[flint aspen]

i guess the main base isnt a good location 😅

[flint aspen]

yes

[barren oar]

huhh

ive never had issues with it specifically that i can recall

well nothing discernable over the sub 20 fps i usually had

[flint aspen]

i drops to literal 2 fps as soon as i activate it... 😅

[barren oar]

yeah thats incredibly odd idk whats happening

you have any mods relating to the propulsion cannon? or other such?

do also try just restarting the game lol maybe it calms down after

[flint aspen]

not really but i guess it has got to do with the moonpool...

[barren oar]

perhaps

[flint aspen]

activating it away from it works fine

i tested it directly under the moonpool

[solar vortex]

https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/2328

disclaimer this mod breaks seatosea now i think

to anyone who's been using it

[solar vortex]

is terrain patcher installed here

[forest valve]

it is only a recommendation, iirc

wont break the mod, but itll just make added terrain look jagged

[solar vortex]

||
did i also break this???? or am i in the wrong place??||

[flint aspen]

looks broken :/

the fixer works fine though

[solar vortex]

seatosea doesnt load when i have it on

[flint aspen]

https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/2328 this one? I did test it yesterday the only thing you have to do is create a folder in qmods for it because it doesnt come with one

[solar vortex]

yeah doesnt load when i have it

[flint aspen]

it only adds a commandso that is strange... maybe try reinstalling the fixer

[solar vortex]

i have??

here's the log

[flint aspen]

Hmm im not a programmer so i cant really interpret that... it just seems strange that the whole mod wouldnt load because of an added command. Did you retrack your steps until the problem occured? Does it work when the fixer is removed? Did you change something else before that or after?

[solar vortex]

yeah it loads with just the fixer taken out of the folder

[flint aspen]

And in your qmods folder the fixer itself (.dll and .json) is in a selfnamed folder? I named it "Blood Larva Nest Fixer" although i dont think that would affect it. Thats the last thing i can think of otherwise i also have no clue.

[flint aspen]

Ive reached a kind of dead end. I need mk3 depth to go into the void but the one material missing is located in the lost river... How am i supposed to go down there without mk3? 1 km air pipe?

[pine ginkgo]

I've only recently started playing the mod and am trying to avoid as many spoilers as possible. Are "building a 1km pipe down" or building a seabase incredibly deep ever the solution Reika intended for anything?

They feel a bit hacky to use sometimes

[flint aspen]

until this point i didnt use a single pipe although it would have made some parts easier so i feel im missing something...

[solar vortex]

does making a base not work?

ill admit i havent gotten that far

[flint aspen]

Im considering it but im not even sure if i can attach pipes to a base xD

[trail ether]

building giant pipes is never intended

[worldly valve]

Which material

[flint aspen]

it would still have to be a pretty long pipe to get from a 500m base into the lost river... i feel like there should be a mk2.5 module xD

[flint aspen]

||calcite||

[worldly valve]

Tjats needed on mk 3?

Hum

Maybe you need to do river first

You shouod have liquid right

[flint aspen]

yes

but its efficiency is reduced so ive maybe got a minute of air if i dive from my moth

not enough to even reach the place i think it is

[pine ginkgo]

How about, say, a seabase between 400-500m before acquiring liquid breathing.

[solar vortex]

the light

[worldly valve]

There might be a way to help

[worldly valve]

Turn off bloon

[worldly valve]

Uou vould be really dumb and make a second liquid tank. Dont do this. Not worst the cost with whatbhappens to the second tank

[flint aspen]

hmm i was wondering about that but couldnt think of a way

[worldly valve]

Tho with 2 liquid tanks and a bit of creativity you can get a full just shy of 600 seconds

I dont think i can say much else without giving it away

[flint aspen]

is it more a trick or an upgrade?

[worldly valve]

Not a trick

(Tho i know another way to extend your range down deep that is a trick...not your time tho)

Man calcite is a bried but rough period

Brief*

[flint aspen]

hmm

indeed

[worldly valve]

You "might" be able to do ||void spikes|| with mk 2 but its gonna be hard

[prime moth]

lol, so the habits i built playing deathrun are gonna bite me in the ass then?

[flint aspen]

i already tried but it was impossible for me :/ the moth would always get destroyed by the ghosts due to lack of cover...

[worldly valve]

This is a puzzle mod. Reika dislikes tricks and brute force mostly

[worldly valve]

I dont think you would be much immediate progress anyways atm luls

It occurs to me some people have gotten prawn suit via the 1/20 scan version😂

And i cant imagine not getting it after harssuit

[flint aspen]

yeah the calcite is what i really need but i havent got a clue how to get down there :/ i thought of the prawn but i cant imagine getting it without the prawn bay.

and i just noticed that i cant even attach an air pump to a docking bay so my last idea isnt gonna work 😢

it cant be the solution to craft 4 liquid tanks can it?

[warm remnant]

I think the better way of doing this are to find a way to increase efficiency of your liquid breathing first.

[worldly valve]

Dont craft more than 1 is the real adbice

[warm remnant]

Yes

[worldly valve]

3 wouldnt work i think

It would empty before trading to the third

Espeically if you figure out efficiency

[warm remnant]

Efficiency not equals just crafting multiple tanks

[worldly valve]

You could craft a second

Efficieny works with 2

It keeps it on the swap

So if you have a plan...its not absolutely awful

(But dont use it to search for calcite)

The second tank drains while in inventory in river and its awfuuuulll

Super expensive

But the third one i think woukd hit 0😅

Thoo...thats just the secondary tank

So i guess they would work

Its just a terrible idea

[flint aspen]

ok yeah at the rate its currently draining it seems like suicide even with 4 tanks working fine... im trying to find something mentioned about efficiency in my pda 😅

[worldly valve]

Plausibly check your techs too

Its pretty crazy the khara didnt kill the whole planet you know

[modern ibex]

great i have to start a new save to use all those updates from the past year

that's like the fourth time i try to complete this mod

[modern ibex]

How to prevent plankton from swarming my base?

[barren oar]

1. you dont :)

always enter/exit the base through a vehicle, and if you cant then hope that the cloud isnt going to die and kill you even after exiting it

and preferably just dont build in a location where plankton spawn until you have the means to avoid their effects

[modern ibex]

damn

please dev make it less toxic holy hell

[barren oar]

its supposed to not kill you but the exitting logic doesnt run sometimes so it just kills you unfairly

mod constantly reminds you to save though so you arent losing much progress at any given point

[flint aspen]

Does the mod add any new alien caves?

[unreal flame]

what do you mean by "alien caves"

[flint aspen]

Alien caches

[unreal flame]

don't believe so

[flint aspen]

ok thanks

[barren oar]

there is one for a required technology

[unreal flame]

it's a basegame cache though, no?

[barren oar]

oh is the only addition the Unlock Item™

that you can pick up

[flint aspen]

i think im looking for that one

[unreal flame]

i think so?

then again it's been a while

[trail ether]

the update two days ago fixed that

[trail ether]

no

[barren oar]

oh nice

[unreal flame]

huh. nevermind then

[flint aspen]

oh well

[barren oar]

what was the problem anyway

for trigger exit etc to not run

[trail ether]

because you were still inside the collider even when in the base

the fix was tojust make the tick code skip players not in the water

[barren oar]

fair lol

[fiery fiber]

I'm in japan right now. It's been interesting watching all this inteplay, and can't wait to get back and finally get my lilies to start working on these stupid plankton. My only problem with them has been they someone's interfere with my hotbox on my fabricator cuz I always build it on the wall next to the hatchway. But no biggie. Excited to see some magenta plankton now

[jade osprey]

Can't lie I specifically went back to check out the new plankton mechanics and it still didn't work for me no matter the configuration

I even tried to replicate the screenshot configuration but still it just keeps spawning and no interaction ever occurs for me

[worldly valve]

Im kinda playing ark atm working on 10k shotgun shells. But i kinds wanna boot it up with the troubleshooting mods reika was mentioning

[solar vortex]

pointless question what color is seatosea

[pine ginkgo]

The blinding blue of the plankton

[pine ginkgo]

||microfilters?||

[prime moth]

something strange i noticed while scouring my log

AQUEOUSENGINEERING: TechType 'CitrineClownPincher' not found!
(Filename: C:\plastic_workspace_unity\Runtime/Export/Debug/Debug.bindings.h Line: 35)
AQUEOUSENGINEERING: TechType 'GulperLeviathanBaby' not found!
(Filename: C:\plastic_workspace_unity\Runtime/Export/Debug/Debug.bindings.h Line: 35)
AQUEOUSENGINEERING: TechType 'GulperLeviathan' not found!```
despite having disabled, uninstalled, and wiped all game files several times, the De-Extinction mod fish are still present somewhere. could this be brought from past game versions via steam cloud? im running out of ideas as to what could be giving me the NullReferenceExceptions

[jade osprey]

Are you wiping the log as well? Perhaps it's from the time you had it

[jade osprey]

Have you tried wiping the games contents and then verifying integrity ? I think that should give you the cleanest install and then you could add all the mods from web to be certain

[prime moth]

yeah, ive gone through the full wipe and file verification several times. i think theres just some really obscure issue thats causing problems specifically with C2C. smh ill just have to wait for it to be updated to the modern version in 2050

[velvet mesa]

Whats SeaToSea? What would it add to my gameolay?

[barren oar]

the main page https://reikakalseki.github.io/subnautica/mods/seatosea.html has a lot of information on what you'd be dealing with, depending on how much you want to spoil yourself (though i don't think its fully up-to-date either, so you'll still have surprises, but decidedly less so)

[forest valve]

changes the progression of the game tldr

60 hour playthrough

takes a normal amount of brain power

[pine ginkgo]

Genuinely curious how long a second playthrough would be with the knowledge of locations and steps in progression

20-30 hours?

Maybe longer, I did a Deathrun Remade run with all the settings cranked up and harder recipes and it still took me 15 hours and I had the whole thing planned out, and SeaToSea is definitely lengthier

Oh yea, are multiple (regular not liquid) tanks ever an intended solution for anything, or does Reika not approve?

Id assume she’d implement some sort of punishment like with liquid breathing if so

[forest valve]

probably longer

it even took reika, the creator of the mod, 60 ish hours

like even if u beeline for stuff its still gonna be in the 40 hour or more range

but its also a bad idea to rush shit becuase of how much you need in the mod

[pine ginkgo]

Yea fair, Im 25 hours in and have a feeling I may push the 100 hour range. Trying not to spoil as much as possible.

[solar vortex]

||blood kelp cave still empty :(||

[jade osprey]

If you're gatekept you could just cheat the item you know

It may even be better overall since the fix may break something else

[jade osprey]

I think the reported finishers all have around 100 hours

[trail ether]

this is not an error if it is just mod compat code not finding the thing to add compat with

[trail ether]

no but having one of each type is recommended

[trail ether]

I do not rush though

and I deliberately avoid leveraging my knowledge of where stuff is

pretending not to know until I "stumble" upon it via the intended methods

[pine ginkgo]

Ive found having 2 ultra capacity tanks useful for exploring places I don’t want to bring my seamoth like the dunes/mountains/crash zone

[worldly valve]

I dont even bring my seamoth anywhwre 9/10

Above 200m azure is in place, ans you should be above 200m when traveling

[pine ginkgo]

Well its the only vehicle I have rn 😭

[worldly valve]

And even past 400ish its only like 30 seconds tosurface

You have the azure seaglide

Its faster

And doesnt get attacked by the 10000 bone sharks on the mod

[pine ginkgo]

No idea what that is

[worldly valve]

And warpwrs struggle to

Oh

Im sorry

[pine ginkgo]

Ill pretend like I didnt see it

:)

[worldly valve]

You definitely want

The azure

[pine ginkgo]

Ill be on the lookout I guess

[worldly valve]

You gotta go super saiajin blue

Its the only way

(Not the only way but it is really fuxkin fast good lucj)

[pine ginkgo]

||Does putting an azurite battery in it “overcharge” it?||

[worldly valve]

|| you should def give it a shot||

[pine ginkgo]

||Does that go for most tools?||

[worldly valve]

|| experimenting is key||

[pine ginkgo]

Gotcha, I just won’t be on for a bit

I should have figured something like that would happen based on the ||azurite battery description||

There probably a lot of smaller things like that I’ve totally missed

[worldly valve]

Experient and try things

Its the stronger part of the mod

[pine ginkgo]

Have any mechanics not been found?

[worldly valve]

Well reika has hinted that we all missed a mechanic with plankton a lot

But i havent seen anyone notice it

[pine ginkgo]

Has Reika ever changed the way something works or where something spawns after it becomes incredibly common knowledge?

[worldly valve]

I dont think so , well.mostly

I believe the liquid air tank and the fluid swapped a long time ago

I think there might have been sone laterations of chests but am unsure

I havent noticed any major "differences" in that sense

[pine ginkgo]

Also is there any sort of roadmap or planned features or is just whenever she feels like updating/patching?

[worldly valve]

More the second

[pine ginkgo]

||Was the purple tablet always in fragment? I played a bit on a different save a year ago and don’t remember it being in fragments.||

[worldly valve]

That was new

But i considered that different than what you asked

As it wasnt trying to "hide" the purp tablet

[silk pond]

wait so i shouldnt use that mod

[pine ginkgo]

Alright spoil me on this, ||Where are the locations of ion cubes prior to getting into any precursor base? The only one Ive found is outside the cache in the southern grassy plateau. Additionally were there any hints? I found it kinda by chance just when exploring. Well thats not really true, I knew there was something down there from a scanner room.||

[unreal flame]

Same places they’d be in the basegame?

[pine ginkgo]

||Are there any outside of precursor bases/caches in the base game?||

[unreal flame]

Why would there be?

[pine ginkgo]

Well I asked if there were any outside of the precursor bases in seatosea besides ||the one next to the cache in the grassy plateaus||

[worldly valve]

Are all the extra bone sharks intended jn this mod?

I think there is a second but dont know whre

But once you get your first it chains into more no matter what so

[pine ginkgo]

Ye ofc, it took me forever to find it though haha

Same with the ||purple tablet fragment in some random hole in the underwater mountain island||

I haven’t played unmodded in a while but it feels like there may be a few extra bonesharks

Very annoying to deal with by the underwater islands and ||glass forest||

[worldly valve]

Yeah this mod causes extra spawns

I think its accidental

But everyine plays comments kn how bonesharks are the worst thing in the world

*except me because why would i use the moth outside the few times its needex)

[trail ether]

I have a history of doing that with my "the player is meant to figure it out" mods when I find out that people have made "follow me, don't think about it, just do as i say" guides and those guides start to be followed

[trail ether]

I do not add a single extra boneshark

what the hell are you talking about

[trail ether]

this being the most (in)famous example https://i.imgur.com/n6JMu4q.png

I deliberately slightly changed the mechanics - mostly the actual numbers, plus a couple behavioral requirements/limitations - to break that tutorial

a goodly number of people STILL hate me over that

either because they personally got "caught" or because they ideologically oppose the very idea of forcing people to not just copy someone else

[worldly valve]

Most people ive seen plag have noted the extra bone sharks or perhaos bonehsakrk increased aggression

[pine ginkgo]

I think thats actually pretty funny and if anything makes it fresh since you need to find another solution

[worldly valve]

Tbh i think its an unitebded thibg that happens

Like how the nushrroms and bases overparticled

[trail ether]

there is definitely increased aggression added by Ecocean

they actually care about lights now

[worldly valve]

Ahhh

[trail ether]

like the PDA says they do

[worldly valve]

Mostly means sharks attack ever 10 seconds

Some area are awful the bring the moth

[trail ether]

I elevated a number of PDA-only behaviors to actual ingame existence

[worldly valve]

(But its so bad conpared to the seagkide anyways soooo)

[trail ether]

including a memetic one

[trail ether]

in practice this is what happens instead https://i.imgur.com/AbETeVQ.png

[pine ginkgo]

Its like following programming tutorials haha

Just writing it and it works but not actually knowing why its working

[trail ether]

funny you mention that

back in 2013 I had a guy come to me for help fixing something in his mod because he just followed a guide - successfully making a mod in the process, if a basic one - and i was unable to do so because he did not even have any awareness of concepts like variables and conditions

[pine ginkgo]

Its even worse now cause of vibe coding/AI agents

Do you ever let anyone make PRs to seatosea repo or is it moreso just a public repo?

[trail ether]

people can submit code improvements - though such a thing has never happened for C2C, but it has occasionally for my MC mods - but I do not merge PRs "directly" for a number of reasons

at most I might copy it in in-source but more likely I reimplement the patch myself

[pine ginkgo]

Thats fair, I imagine fixes are OK, but actual features you’d want to keep as your ideas

[trail ether]

I mean it is not like it is unheard of - or even really rare - for people to suggest ideas that I end up liking and implementing

that said there is a difference between suggesting a new idea and a change to an existing idea

then it depends on the existing idea's underlying purpose, ie being a means to an end (in which case it is often subject to change) or an actual goal in itself (in which case it is nonnegotiable)

[trail ether]

example https://i.imgur.com/1wRvVKG.png

the phrasing there - "reika pulls a reika" is pretty indicative of that being a common gripe

and it is

[pine ginkgo]

Are there any plans to make the PDA audio/radio messages have their audio levels use the game settings? I swear I always brace for it when going somewhere new cause it makes me jump.

Nah I think its valid and actually pretty respectable that you keep an eye on your content enough to actively change it around what people are doing

[trail ether]

do they not?

[pine ginkgo]

Mine are ridiculously loud compared to any base game ones

Is there any sort of “complete” for you in terms of content for C2C? Or is it sort of just an ongoing thing? Like in terms of major progression (especially things like new biomes), would you say you’re done?

[trail ether]

that depends on how you define "done"

the basic form of "done" is simply "does what it is meant to do, well enough, and is playable start to finish", aka "ready for release"

that was achieved at the beginning of 2023, ie 9 months dev

but new ideas always come up, pain points and solutions to them are identified, and there is a large amount of content that was originally thought of but just never made it in

so you have "ready for release", "everything originally planned has been added", and "development is now over", and the last of those will never occur

[pine ginkgo]

Well I definitely think you’re past the point of the most sophisticated mod

[trail ether]

the primary limit on new content is just "am I actively dedicating that much time to it anymore"

[pine ginkgo]

In a good way

[trail ether]

like referring to my (biggest) MC mods again they reached "release" in 2013 and 2014 respectively, and reached something basically the same as their "modern" form in 2014 and 2016

but they both got content updates as recently as 2023, and the only reason it stopped then was a drive failure

it will resume once I can

[trail ether]

actually C2C is not even at the second one yet

[pine ginkgo]

Do you plan on migrating to 2.0 once Nautilus is stable or will it be just “something to do someday”

[trail ether]

it is exactly one feature away

well two

one is PDA VO

the other is ||spoiler||

but both of those are not something i can unilaterally finish, and that is why they remain unfinished

[trail ether]

nautilus stability is a definite prerequisite

but it is not something I plan to ignore in perpetuity

ie I am not planning to ignore updates in SN the way I have in MC

[pine ginkgo]

Would it really allow you to do anything extra or just make it more appealing since its not legacy

[trail ether]

it has little to no value to me

[pine ginkgo]

Understandable

[trail ether]

as a player it adds a little since large room

but as a dev it adds nothing i care about

well

ther eis one thing it will enable but that thing is very minor

[pine ginkgo]

Theres some QoL improvements but otherwise yea

[trail ether]

namely I can repurpose the recipe pinning UI to use to show the seamoth tether contents

[pine ginkgo]

Theres little incentive outside of people wanting it to not be legacy

[barren oar]

its significantly more performant somehow or other which ive personally felt is a bit of a problem with c2c

[pine ginkgo]

I can see this

Its not a major issue but I can definitely feel it sometimes

[barren oar]

though I've never done a sn run where i built many bases either so entirely possible most of it is coming from there

[pine ginkgo]

Not like I need to be running 60+fps at all times in subnautica though

[barren oar]

but 10fps at the alz stage? i find that hard to believe

[trail ether]

prefab loading is async in 2.0

as such there is not a possibility of a minor lag spike loading in objects

however that makes it an enormous pain as a developer

doubly so to update existing code

since async propagates up the calling stack like a fucking virus

[barren oar]

that it? i wouldnt have thought prefabs get loaded nearly enough to be a big game changer idle

but yep async sucks for sure haha

[trail ether]

it has never been that bad for me

[trail ether]

I still need to get a profiler going

if I could profile the code it would help me find and address lag like nothing else

[barren oar]

maybe i just have one too many bases ig i cant think of other things i couldve done for my fps to fall off a cliff

[trail ether]

but SN is not built with Debug inside

[barren oar]

what comps do you have

[trail ether]

comps?

[barren oar]

to have a bit of a comparison

pc comps - mine are some ryzen5 cpu whose exact identificator i forgot and gtx1050

[trail ether]

oh

one moment

https://i.imgur.com/eMIk5tV.png https://i.imgur.com/fyV1imQ.png https://i.imgur.com/S8KwgPP.png

however I want to say that I only got this PC in Feb 2023, and my first C2C playthrough, in Sep 2022, was on a far weaker machine

moreover the GPU - which should not matter much for SN, but still - is even newer, installed just this last christmas

before that it was a GTX 1060

[barren oar]

ahh

[trail ether]

my worst FPS experiences, barring some buggy states like the plankton lag this March, was in my Dec 2023 save

that is when i noticed the pattern of lag if you load a save from inside a base

so i started going just outside to save every time, which helped enormously

and that was right before the end of the game too

like post-ILZ, building nepture and then some

and that save had FCS too

so lots of additional buildables, plus maybe i have some issue in my compat code

[pine ginkgo]

Would you consider C2C to be “harder”? I’ve seen people refer to it as that, but I’d just say lengthier. I wouldn’t consider subnautica “difficult” in the first place.

[trail ether]

depends on how you define "hard"

as in "hardcore", like harder to survive? no

this is not deathrun

grindier? perhaps - there is certainly more resource gathering necesasry, and sometimes more waiting

longer, a la "expert" modpacks for MC, which are all about manually-crafted progression trees to last weeks or even months (or decades, for GTNH)? very

conceptually harder, ie requires more cognitive investment from the player? also very much so

[trail ether]

or another example - AngelBobs for factorio

that is not really harder to survive on either (unless you start adding mods that affect biters), but it sure as hell is longer and progression is much more granular

now SN does not have progression trees per se but it does have a lot of necessary exploration and a long series of tech unlocks

of which I add many

[pine ginkgo]

How do you feel about how the mod has been received? Honestly I only heard about it from a random reddit thread after doing deathrun. I’d be interesting to see some YouTubers attempt it, but it might be too much of a time-sink or “boring” to watch. Are you happy with whats come of it?

[trail ether]

ok there are a couple cases where I markedly ramp up the danger level

refer again to my elevation of PDA-only behaviors

[pine ginkgo]

Well Id say forcing players to explore things like the dunes/mountains/crash zone makes it a little harder

But its not really that difficult to avoid reapers

And death is very unpunishing

[trail ether]

I am very unhappy with it

[pine ginkgo]

Oh

Personally I think it should be significantly more popular, especially against things like the gargantuan leviathan and such, which I find to just be content slop for youtube and whatnot.

[trail ether]

the reception has been 80% total lack of acknowledgement (and probably lack of awareness), 18% clickbaity "cool shit!" that greatly misleads people as to the nature of the mod, and is responsible for the bulk of the people coming here with zero skills or interest in the mod as it is designed but just want to see this or that feature, 2% actual "genuine" interest

[barren oar]

reapers in c2c (ecocean i think was the one that added it?) are just a mild annoyance because you can just flash them to get away with 15 damage or so

[barren oar]

thats about how reception goes of anything really

[pine ginkgo]

I can avoid them manually most of the time or just drop a creature decoy

[barren oar]

unless the clickbait is the intention of the mod

and the mod only being available to find through the discord and your own page definitely helps to lower the findability a tad

[trail ether]

brb

[barren oar]

posting them on nexus would for sure bring eyes to it - the audience you're looking for? probably not
the best course of action? most likely not either because in their tos they state they have full control over your work once you upload it, or along those lines :(

[barren oar]

decoys are consumable though and take up inventory space

what were they, 2x1 last i recall?

[pine ginkgo]

Yea

They’re not the best

Another thing for when you come back Reika. How would you feel about a playthrough? I’m sure it would be nice for exposure (if it gains any traction) but it would also act as a “tutorial” for people.

[trail ether]

back

thunderstorm is causing flooding

[trail ether]

posting on nexus incurs unacceptable costs

[trail ether]

as in a recorded one? I want those

[barren oar]

uh oh! situation all good on your end?

[barren oar]

hm? anything more than the aforementioned permissions?

[trail ether]

the permissions are it

not just rights

you cannot even take down files

[barren oar]

ah right i forgot abt that

yep nexus stinks lol but not like theres a better alternative

at least until submodica is confirmed to be run by the original dev

[pine ginkgo]

Interesting, I wish I would have recorded my fresh gameplay, I feel like recording a second playthrough would ruin a lot of the “exploration” and “experimenting” that takes up a lot of the time.

[barren oar]

yeah thats a bit of a problem with c2c

well. not a problem

but prior knowledge does pretty much stop you from being able to have a truthful playthrough

[trail ether]

not like i am going to make a copy of - or worse, abandon - my site either

[trail ether]

though on the flipside that is not the most engaging content to view

though it can be

[barren oar]

as tends to be the case for puzzle games and such, of course

[pine ginkgo]

Yea, but I feel like cutting some of those parts would cut out a lot of the core parts

Definitely more interesting to play than watch

[worldly valve]

A friend of mine is treaming atm on twitch. Lairian. Well not right this second this second but

[brazen dawn]

what is the item id for tonguelily dosent seem to drop

[trail ether]

the way to harvest it is not the same as for most plants

knifing just kills it

[brazen dawn]

Yeah right thought my game was bugged all good.

Thanks @trail ether

[fiery fiber]

||dunno if this is a spoiler because I have yet to test this, but I kinda recall once seeing a moth mod for brighter hi beams. Try flashing them in bobeahark eyes and see if that'll scare them away. I SWEAR I've been able tonget bone shark to turn away by hi beaming them in the eyes. However I haven't for it to work consistently so I could be wrong. And every time mention this nobody responds so either its way off, or it works and nobody wants to spoil it.|| For what it's worth 😋 and I love the mod just the way it is. Thanks Reika

[unreal flame]

||flashing the headlights in general should be able to cause creatures to behave in response to them||

[tight creek]

What kind of a biome which has rich mineral resources and support Tongue Lilies to grow?

As I wanna use Tongue Lilies to accumulate mineral resources to get Tungsten Grains more effectively.

[jade osprey]

Bold of you to assume you'll get an answer

It's yet to be figured out by the whole collective consciousness

[tight creek]

Well, I'm getting bored with using Salt Blocks to get them.

[jade osprey]

There is one mention of such biome in pda messages

[tight creek]

I know.

Glass Forest, right?

[jade osprey]

But for starters apparently we have to figure out their basic function mechanics

[jade osprey]

|| ye ||

[tight creek]

Wait, I haven't used Plankton Feeder in that biome. But I'm not sure it would work.

[jade osprey]

I wonder if the seamoth headlight module was intended for that since it seemed kinda pointless otherwise

[jade osprey]

Have you gotten them to function normally ?

For the base plankton I mean

[tight creek]

You mean, the plankton around the base several days ago, someone posted picture on here?

[jade osprey]

Yes and I think you mean reika's pic

[tight creek]

How to implement that base plankton?

[jade osprey]

Thats the neat part you dont

No one knows

I couldn't get it to work with the same setup unless I'm missing something

[tight creek]

I'll be salt carrier again.

[jade osprey]

Lmao

All the road lead back to the one and only

[tight creek]

To get Tungsten Grain that my enermy in my C2C life.

[jade osprey]

Welcome to the club buddy

You know you could still try perhaps you'll have a better idea

I'm pretty sure you'll be mentioned in the credits as well if you get it

[tight creek]

So it's a bounty list to reward who get Tungsten Grains in a effective way, right?

[jade osprey]

I just made it up

But big if true

[barren oar]

whats your source senator

[jade osprey]

It came to me in a dream

As usual

[tight creek]

Alright. I didn't say that.

[jade osprey]

Nice save bro

[tight creek]

Fine, I gave up editing info now.

Maybe Reika was right, she wants everyone to explore the mod and overcome challenges by themselves.

[jade osprey]

[phone] social credit

[tight creek]

Okay, finish the conversation, I'm going to take a bath and go to sleep.

[jade osprey]

Gn bro may you find lilies solution in your dream as I always do

[tight creek]

And, I'll introduce the mod to other Chinese Subnautica player (Don't know whether Reika agrees someone to introduce her mod), I'll tell them, "Play it by yourself. If you really don't know how to solve certain problem, you can tell me your situation in my Bilibili message."

That's it, bye.

[brazen dawn]

can someone please give me a hint on harvesting tonguelily. Im pretty stuck atm

[jade osprey]

man we really are missing out on some hint station in game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgZiGnCpX04
would do wonders

[jade osprey]

all of the above is about them

[jade osprey]

I'm serious @trail ether it could be an amazing troll / easter egg

[brazen dawn]

@jade osprey i think i got it thanks for that motivational video.

[jade osprey]

Yeah bro you're not far behind everyone else it's the local bottleneck / brainstorming point

[brazen dawn]

@jade osprey how are you supposed to get the tonguelily tendrils?. Im still stuck

[jade osprey]

Do you mean their location ?

[brazen dawn]

no im using a knife but nothing drops?

[jade osprey]

and they're fully grown ?

[brazen dawn]

Yes

[jade osprey]

in a planter or naturally?

[brazen dawn]

naturally

i need them for microfilter?

[jade osprey]

that's really weird but I remember being able to do it myself very recently

[brazen dawn]

yeah ive never been able to harvest them

[jade osprey]

like every single one of them does nothing ?

[brazen dawn]

My game must be bugged?

do you know the techtype?

[jade osprey]

try a creative world see if it works okay

[brazen dawn]

yeah i did and nope i even tried deleting every other mod i had.

nothing works

[jade osprey]

well as usual each copy of the mod is personalized

[brazen dawn]

yeah right. i cant progress without it. do you know the techtype for that item? so i can spawn it in.

[pine ginkgo]

I was able to havest them with a knife without problems

I don’t have any insight as to why it may not work though

[fiery fiber]

I think I read recently we're not supposed to harvest then with a knife

[jade osprey]

It was about a different kind of harvest I believe

This person couldn't even get a seed for some reason

[silk pond]

so should i be using the|| giant blood crawler fix|| mod?

[barren oar]

if you dont have them spawned, yes to run the fix, then remove after

keeping it around creates issues with extracting at least one raw resource which you'll need

[worldly valve]

so experimenting, i intuitivelky found a spot where i think the blue stuff actually is

took off my suit for a second, killed me faster than ever before

instagibbed

i...also became inspired just a little bit

i was considering where i found the lillies...and have partially done a thing

this time i had the thing where i cant get way from it no matter how far i go away

[solar vortex]

||made a creative world and the nest is actually there. still empty in my normal file ;/||

[jade osprey]

|| I had exactly the same experience (I just wrote down the id and cheated in my save) ||

[silk pond]

im guessing that is later in the game

[solar vortex]

i have made things worse trying to fix them.

[worldly valve]

collliders everywhere

[solar vortex]

???

[solar vortex]

does the nest patcher break c2c loading for anyone else

[pine ginkgo]

I think someone pointed it out the other day

[solar vortex]

ack i dont want to just give myself worms but idk what else i can do at this point ;v

[worldly valve]

idk

[pine ginkgo]

Does Reika have planned fixes for things that require separate mods to patch

[worldly valve]

i have another idea i sorta tried before but

[solar vortex]

wdym

id imagine she does
if its the worms she does iirc

[warm remnant]

This is very strange, for me larvae started spawning after the march update, but for others it still doesnt work.

I wonder what causing this difference.

[tight creek]

I used the Scanner Room to search an unknown object remaining in the Lost River Laboratory. But there's nothing

God, I just one step to the ending...

[jade osprey]

One scannable away ?

[tight creek]

I'm tired now.

[warm remnant]

If you are talking about scannable, then it is a scanner thing located near fish skeleton.

[errant cairn]

im about to explore the aurora anything i should know or have other than the radiation suit?

and the many tools needed (other than the builder )

what do i do if this happens?

(water vanished)

[jade osprey]

Oh I had this one

[errant cairn]

how'd you fix it

[jade osprey]

I think you press f3 and then check 2 boxes

Or uncheck

It's like water volume / surface something somehting

[errant cairn]

did that

yeah its that

it works now

ty

[jade osprey]

Bro I thought I was condemned to playing subspacika when it happened to me 😭😭 (it didn't go away after a restart)

[errant cairn]

lol

[errant cairn]

im having real trouble finding these ||Nanolathing Drones||

idek where they could be

[unreal flame]

have you gotten any sentencemixed pda lines yet?

[errant cairn]

Define that.

[unreal flame]

a pda voiceline that isn't in the basegame

but is spliced together from basegame voicelines

[errant cairn]

sure

many

[tidal monolith]

So how does the stealth system work for this

Is the repo public

[errant cairn]

oh i can look at the source to find what i need >:)

[pine ginkgo]

Thats not intended

[errant cairn]

cause im one of the very few people that play this mod who can read code

[pine ginkgo]

Mod is very much made to figure it out

Thats 90% of this mod

[unreal flame]

this displeases the dragon

[unreal flame]

source should be visible, yes

[errant cairn]

Who's stopping me (other than Reilka) from looking at the source or playing the game my way?

[pine ginkgo]

Read PDA logs and item descriptions to figure out locations of new items/hidden mechanics

[errant cairn]

I did I couldn't find shit

[unreal flame]

if she starts obfuscating shit for no reason i'll be kinda mad

[pine ginkgo]

😭

She could just private the repo

[errant cairn]

would work but harm the majority

im not going to do that

[unreal flame]

regardless. did you ever get a random message about something like ||alterra signatures in nearby dangerous caves while on your way to a lifepod||

[pine ginkgo]

Nah it doesn’t receive many PRs

[errant cairn]

yes many times

i can search through my logs and find em

[pine ginkgo]

Yea, this mod is about scouring every single possible nook and cranny you can reach with the resources you have

[errant cairn]

(also ima be honest i never used the pda databank throughout my first play through of base SN)

[pine ginkgo]

and thats fair

But its like a requirement in this mod pretty much

[errant cairn]

and thats fair

im just saying

[pine ginkgo]

I mean no one is necessarily stopping you from looking I guess

[unreal flame]

sea to sea will basically always give you some sort of hint regarding something interesting being nearby when you're looking for it (or more likely, looking for something else)

correct, nobody's stopping you

[errant cairn]

its not in the data bank though the only hint is in my logs and yet even those arent helping

[unreal flame]

just saying this has been a problem before

[errant cairn]

ive found a lot of things related to the voice logs

but not one has lead me to those things

[pine ginkgo]

Well they definitely don’t tell you directly where they are

It would be nice to see where the locations of PDAs came from

[errant cairn]

i mean think about it from my perspective, im a new ish modder who knows what hes doing with code and can probably read C2C, but I wouldn't appreciate it either if someone read my source to figure out what my mods do, esp when theres hint or an easier way to find that information (on the damn front page, tangent, but this is a huge frustration for me)

[errant cairn]

sure and thats fine, but i need more hints than the pda voice logs

[pine ginkgo]

Hmm Im not sure how to phrase this without sounding too vague or giving too much away

[errant cairn]

yeah i wouldnt know either

N8 probably would

but thats my guess

[unreal flame]

yeah that

[pine ginkgo]

Yea

[errant cairn]

oh do you guys mean this one from my earliest logs?

[pine ginkgo]

Yes

[errant cairn]

okay i dont remember what happened then cause that line came in like my first hour of the save which was like a month or two ago

[pine ginkgo]

Think of places that have volcanic activity near the start of the game

[unreal flame]

it's meant to trigger during ||travel between your pod and one of the shallows pods||

[errant cairn]

theres several lava geysers

[errant cairn]

||lifepod 3?||

[pine ginkgo]

||The message shows up over part of the kelp forest on the way to lifepod 3||

[unreal flame]

uh, one sec

yeah that one

[pine ginkgo]

Well theres only a few around 80m close to the start of the game, so check around those

[errant cairn]

ok

ill check near ||lifepod 3||

[pine ginkgo]

Another thing to note

Scanner rooms are your friend in this mod much more than base sn

[jade osprey]

You're gonna hate this

[errant cairn]

buff at base scanner room (no upgrades)?

[errant cairn]

i think i won't

[jade osprey]

Lmao edited

[pine ginkgo]

I sometimes just have the resources to build one on me if I can’t find something Im looking for haha

Not everything will show up on it but its generally much easier to just use them

[errant cairn]

you gave me idea

is it a fragment?

[pine ginkgo]

||Not sure if Nanolathing Drone fragments show up on it. A lot of unknown things may appear as “Unknown Object”||

[worldly valve]

check the early biome trackers for early biomes

[errant cairn]

biome trackers?

btw i finally got an azure battery

looked below the ||QEP||

[pine ginkgo]

Good

[worldly valve]

got the full thing or?

[errant cairn]

found enough to get it yes

[worldly valve]

ahhh nice

part way there

[pine ginkgo]

For the most part, follow the progression of the base game and look everywhere around the areas it brings you to

[worldly valve]

oh you got the swag to repair it even

i thought needed ||merc|| fdor that

[pine ginkgo]

||I totally missed the azurite battery one of my first saves||

[errant cairn]

found that in a ||mushroom forest||

btw i can almost get all the cyclops fragments if i just find the northwestern mushroom forest wreck (vanilla)

[trail ether]

do not do that

[errant cairn]

will not

[jade osprey]

For the most part just do a 112% run

[errant cairn]

no idea what that is

[jade osprey]

It is a troll

[errant cairn]

ah ok

[pine ginkgo]

Not really a hint but this mod makes heavy use of ||every biome. So places not necessary in the base game (dunes, mountains, crash zone, etc.) have use.||

[errant cairn]

btw how would you feel if i backported my air bladder upgrades mod to make the air bladder actually worth it?

[worldly valve]

||||

[errant cairn]

nice

[pine ginkgo]

For a while I avoided ||anything with reapers cause I always viewed them as sort of a “border” in the base game, and that was a big mistake.||

[errant cairn]

need to click the eye to spoiler image

[worldly valve]

:{

just cant get to work

[errant cairn]

eh they were okay to dodge with a seaglide

[pine ginkgo]

I have a chat with Reika about PRs a couple nights ago

[errant cairn]

i thought i saw something that ||improved scanner range outside of vanilla||?

[worldly valve]

even trie adding thi for a bit

[errant cairn]

huh

[errant cairn]

interesting

[worldly valve]

maybe im in the wrong place:/

[jade osprey]

Dony worry it they only work with admin priviliges

[worldly valve]

?

[errant cairn]

????

[trail ether]

ignore him

[trail ether]

how it feels to be removed from the channel

[trail ether]

no objections

[errant cairn]

bet

[trail ether]

provided that it does not make it cheaty

for example if it just makes it like the BZ one that is 100% fine

if it makes it teleport you or add 90 seconds of air that is not

[pine ginkgo]

Teleports you straight to the surface

[errant cairn]

i mean an extra 90 seconds of O2 is nothing to scoff at esp in one slot

[errant cairn]

not yet™

[trail ether]

...does it actually do that

[errant cairn]

Yes. Is expensive to upgrade to 90 seconds of O2 though

and yeah does make it like the BZ one

[trail ether]

then I am going to prevent that alongside C2C

that is a massive balance problem

[errant cairn]

nevermind its not expensive thats gonna be changed

[trail ether]

is it configurable? if so I can just reflectively clamp the values

[unreal flame]

i'd say a max of like, however much you get from eating a raw bladderfish would be fine, personally

[errant cairn]

By the player? No. Has variables that can be tweaked by coders? yes.

[unreal flame]

so like 10s or whatever

[trail ether]

but I want to make it absolutely clear that if there is no proper way to prevent this from being cheaty I will block the mod from existing alongside C2C

[unreal flame]

enough to make sure you don't die on the way up

[errant cairn]

thats less than the vanilla BZ Air Bladder 💀

[trail ether]

I meant like config files or ingame settings

[unreal flame]

is it?

[trail ether]

but if it is just a bunch of constants in code that is fine too

[errant cairn]

I could do it but I don't have it that way right now

[unreal flame]

honestly i didn't realize the air bladder gave oxygen at all lmao

[errant cairn]

fields yes

[errant cairn]

yeah bladder fish worse than vanilla 2.0 air bladder 💀

[errant cairn]

i spread my cursed game to you on accident 💀

[worldly valve]

i have colliders shoiwng...

[errant cairn]

oh my bad

[worldly valve]

you are good

[errant cairn]

scanner rooms are a portable beacon...I LOVE IT

[trail ether]

also

I advise people not to test me https://i.imgur.com/saKjZ6c.png https://i.imgur.com/Ebyu5FW.png

[errant cairn]

what

[trail ether]

I just wiped the worldgen XMLs from the public github

including retroactively frmo the commit history

[errant cairn]

ok

good

scanner room doesn't show even vanilla fragments 😭

[trail ether]

I did not remove anything from it

but remember the object has to load in to appear

[errant cairn]

not saying you did

[worldly valve]

how do i

turn off the colliders>.>