SeaToSea

[worldly valve]

To be fair this is technically not c2c

[errant cairn]

I'll be streaming both c2c and making my mod so join me then ig

in General VC

Alright let me get started

[pastel comet]

c2c adds a local depletion system afaict

[errant cairn]

Step 1: legacy

[pastel comet]

trying to examine the code i think it maybe means the drill has to be in certain spots? idk

although idk how to find valid spots

theres nothing new added by c2c in the drill's fcs pda entry

[worldly valve]

@reik wbich terrain extended is needed agin?

[pastel comet]

oh wait i think i may have an idea here as to what im meant to do hmm

i think the drills have to be used on ||auroresource's mineable deposits||

aka ||the meteor + lava dome||

||okay yeah the drill depletion system in C2C looks for DrillableResourceArea which is what is registered to mark those motherlode ore deposits in Auroresource||

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/AVp3Cpx.jpeg

[pastel comet]

wow the rock crusher is laggy

[pastel comet]

okay only when unpowered i guess, weird

[slim veldt]

Barotrauma Spotted

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/Ia2DHSq.jpeg

[errant cairn]

Oh my god

[trail ether]

go below 1000m in the void, while keeping an eye on a ghost leviathan 😛

||https://youtu.be/r1DcAjR7VXU?t=61||

[forest valve]

ohh so thats a reference to barotrauma?

[trail ether]

it was very much inspired by an experience of mine

[errant cairn]

Wow, Kills you in creative too?

Oh my god

[slim veldt]

Nice

[errant cairn]

Remind me to never go into the void with a Cyclops

[forest valve]

i wont recommend going with any vehicle other than the seamoth

they are expensive as FUCK, you will see the seamoth as an asset, not a disposable

you will treat your vehicles like your firstborn, since the materials are, quite hefty

[errant cairn]

Yeah...

[forest valve]

something reika did on purpose so players arent like "lol its easy to make i can just run to the surface"

[errant cairn]

I wish players luck from 1000m

With one O2 tank?

[forest valve]

well, an o2 tank wont be your only worry, lets jus say the rebreather itself wont be enough :)

[errant cairn]

Bruh

[forest valve]

sorry if i told too much

[errant cairn]

No its fine, its just like bruh why is everything this difficult

Well its what I signed up for

[forest valve]

i wouldnt say difficult

theres only a couple extra things to look out for

which is what difficulty is, making you have to worry for more stuff

its a bit more of a "realistic" approach" in my books

[worldly valve]

I see my seanoth as very very very slow. I use when i have to and no other time lol

[worldly valve]

Reikas change made keeping vehcles much easier. Death is mostly less punishing now, long as you save often

[errant cairn]

Right then, save spam = perfect

[worldly valve]

The death/save change mostly stops getting a scan early on things

[forest valve]

you can only save in bases/lifepod

vehicles also

[errant cairn]

Exactly

So save spam

[pastel comet]

[errant cairn]

cacle

[pastel comet]

im very good at accidentally getting bugged items

wh huh

okay it disappeared after i took the image

[errant cairn]

its called item locker

[pastel comet]

😂

[forest valve]

it does that sometimes

its a legacy bug afaik

[errant cairn]

It works on the cyclops too sometimes

just do item cyclops

[pastel comet]

(i didnt spawn it it just appeared in the locker lol)

[errant cairn]

lolololololololol

[unreal flame]

Do people realize that piezo crystals are also a baro reference?

[trail ether]

probably not

[errant cairn]

Circling back to this, I just realized that I could make literally every recipe harder in my mod pack and still have beluga + Seamoth + prawn suit + cyclops in early game

Yeah I may have accidentally made my mod pack a little too easy

[worldly valve]

To be fair, reika specifically worked at making it harder and requireing heavy exploration

[errant cairn]

True

[worldly valve]

Your mic was muted if you dodnt notice lol

[errant cairn]

I noticed

Just, my laptop sucks

and decides that it doesn't wanna work with dicord

so it gives it no mic input

[worldly valve]

fun

[errant cairn]

indeed

I'll be playing C2C in a bit

[worldly valve]

coo

[errant cairn]

me is playing now

[restive hornet]

Hello lads! I'm playing C2C/SeatoSea and... Well. I'm struggling to progress. I thought the MK1 was something I was supposed to get later, but scouring Reddit, apparently it was ||in the jellyshroom caves all along||, which was weird to me, since I thought I'd checked every corner. So I go out and plop down a scanner room, and what do you know? There's something there... Yet not. I have the same situation with the ||sunbeam debri between the mountains and bulb zone||. The scanner room picks up tens of fragments, yet I can't see any of them. I even clipped underneath the map to check. On the other hand, lifepod 9 and 14 I've found, as well as the various bases added by the mod. ||I've seen the crag field wreck and the animation for the underwater island wreck splitting||. I'd like some input here - is the version I have broken, or did I manage to corrupt something during download? Does anybody have a downgrade where the missing aspects are still in game? I'm playing v111

(also can someone tell me how to deal with the severe lag after visiting the ||glass biome||)

[forest valve]

probably unsolvable if i had to guess

[restive hornet]

My game drops from 110 FPS to like.. 20

[forest valve]

again, probably no solution until the mod gets another update

atleast you werent here when the game used to have a lag spike and freeze every single second when you were near/in a large wreck and it got worse the deeper you went in

but as i told you before, the reddit post is from a previous update, and the fragment is possibly no longer where it was previously

[restive hornet]

That's sad, though I've yet to find a single sunbeam debri. The scanner room picks them up only at the location I mentioned earlier, and I've manually gone through every surface biome possible for them. Ig I can finally claim I know every nook and cranny of the mountains biome? Never in my life have I used scanner rooms as much as I've had on these save files. I just... Can't believe they're anywhere on the map, unless they sunk somewhere in the void - that, or the scanner rooms show the location, but the debri are actually missing. So far I've been progressing out of sheer stubbornness and brute forcing, I can't go 50 meters without seeing some sort of habitat, but it's getting harder and harder as it's obvious I'm missing something very important. There are things I cannot craft even though I have all materials, or things I can craft that require materials I still don't have access to.

I haven't tested it myself, but is it an insta kill if I go below 500m?

[forest valve]

mmno, but it is kinda impossible to proceed without upgrading something

on your person, i mean

[restive hornet]

I assume the fancy breathing apparatuses aren't what you mean

I'm only missing one of them, and solely because I'm upset about the new reaper ||above the alien vent in the dunes||

[forest valve]

well, i dont wanna say much, but the ting you try to exterminate to leave the planet has a purpose now

or, does affect you until you get something

[restive hornet]

Mm, my scanner room did pick up something inside that I wasn't able to get.

But that's an issue locked behind the door itself

I've yet to find all the tablet pieces

[forest valve]

yeah theres something very important in the chasm

like the deep vine place

[restive hornet]

Ohh, I thought you meant the "unidentified object" within the gun. I assumed it was an ion cube until this convo

[forest valve]

mod has a few moments where u gotta be risky to get what u want

[restive hornet]

A smol little hint for my poor heart

Is lifepod 15 sunk?

[forest valve]

the one in the void

?

no, its on the surface

[restive hornet]

Because I managed to get there with a seaglide but the ghosties didn't make it easy-

I didn't see a lifepod there.

[forest valve]

you need something to perhaps, conceal your noise levels

fuckin what

did you get some unsual fragments in the jellyshroom bases?

[restive hornet]

I got there, the marker vanished, and it was empty as far as the eye could see

The ones for the base piece? Yeah

[forest valve]

for something thats from the mod

[restive hornet]

Didn't build it yet because of the pipe amount

[forest valve]

oh ok good

hmm

[restive hornet]

The games been weird

[forest valve]

but there shouldve been a data box and the pod itself

i think?

[restive hornet]

I thought it had sunk, because the radio message said ||we haven't been attacked yet like the others||

And I didn't go back because I didn't know how deep

[forest valve]

mmm

[restive hornet]

And if I'd be able to do it with just my seaglide and radiation suit

[forest valve]

you need something to conceal your noise levels, a module of sorts

[restive hornet]

I was able to get there with a seaglide

Just a bit of dodging and weaving

[forest valve]

but if you got the module they just dont come

[restive hornet]

Right but I'm also on my third seamoth because apparently the sonar agroes everything

It's not as expensive as it was in the beginning, but I'm running out of names for them

I'm also stubborn

[forest valve]

well, reika made the seamoths cost a good bit to make them an asset, not a disposable

[restive hornet]

Which is why I went to 15 with a seaglide

Which is why I would've gone to 15 with a seaglide*

If it was there.

🥲

It's weird, because lifepod 9 was where it was supposed to be, and lifepod 14 was also present

Idk if I got turned around or something, but I just didn't see 15 where the marker claimed it was

And circling back, I did find all the fragment pieces of the thing in the jellyshroom caves, but the MK1 depth module thing is not there. I haven't seen the existence of a single sunbeam debri with my own eyes, yet the wreck in ||the crag field exists||

I even went into a creative save to snoop, and even with water volume turned off and gridding off the entire area from the mountains to the blood kelp trench to the dunes, there was nothing

||but the bioprocessor piece under the arch was present. I believe I managed to locate all of them in creative, and in my main save file I have found one, so those also exist||

[fiery fiber]

I had the same problem with the sunbeam frags. But I got it to work, although I don't really know if what i did caused it. Anyway .. what i did was built a scanner at koosh/mountain border and also I have one at alien gun. I have both tuned to frags and they will both detect them. Sometimes they are invisible, but when I turn AWAY from the scan circles that indicate them for a minute then turn back the pieces will appear. Kinda doesnt always work. But I've FINALLY been able to get frags. Personally I've yet to be able to get nanocarbon or whatever from fallen debris. I've been literally trying for weeks and have swam out to at least a hundred falling comets. but I been busy with work so I only get like a couple hours a week to play

[worldly valve]

Did you build anything there

[worldly valve]

You have to go a little below 500 before the thing

[restive hornet]

no, I just dipped down just to check out the biome, got whacked by a slideshow game, swam back up

[restive hornet]

it kinda floats near the surface

I've kinda started doing mental maths - most debri falls I dont even check out

it's either in the dunes, or too close to the dunes to be comfortable, suspiciously far, so void, or behind the aurora

[worldly valve]

I reccomend dying and reloading when loaing a moth. Tbh the moth is more troublw then its worth imo

[errant cairn]

wait what am i missing? im playing something very satisfactory

[worldly valve]

Has sunbeam crashed? I guess you have moth and the trigger is soemthing with that

[restive hornet]

sunbeam crashed like... 10 hours ago irl. I have my third seamoth as this point

[worldly valve]

It might go away after chillin there a bit. Thats a rough one

[restive hornet]

may I get some peace of mind rq

[worldly valve]

Just get used to swimming with reapers with azure seaglide

Reapers are just big doggies really

Like how stalkers are little puppies

The seamoth is too slow

Its like half the speed of the azure seaglide

God i hate using it in certoan biomes at all

Warpers are the absolute worse

[restive hornet]

I did the trip to lifepod 15 with a seaglide, i;m comfortable with it

yknow, other than lifepod 15 not being there, causing me to panic and get double tapped

||is avolite within the sunbeam wrecks?||

[forest valve]

||iirc theres just pieces of it, you dont really see the sunbeam wrecks i dont think||

[restive hornet]

||chief I ain't seen anything that wasn't vanilla, if anybody had a picture of what a piece looks like I'd be happy||

[forest valve]

||its a glowing red stick||

[worldly valve]

Its just itema

[boreal hedge]

for me the debris didnt spawn , so I used command key to spawn them and continued my journey, same with tungsten grain, its these 2 item which are bugged in the mod

everything else works just fine

[worldly valve]

do we even know the actual intendxced tungstun grain method?

i know there is the mushroom forest theory thats bugged

buit thats aparently the alt method

[boreal hedge]

I search through the code as well, all I found was its connected to mushroomvasestrands, the original method need to me disclosed by someone or even give a clue

[worldly valve]

hmm lookjing at tonguelillies directly is weird

most plants show their names

tongelillies dont wehen looking at them

im just surprised the bug has been left alone so long

reika was updating the major game breaking bus pretty fast

i also just realised what i thought was dealing with the base p[lankton doesnt

||i thought creature repellent module would do it||

[boreal hedge]

I have pretty much completed the game but lost the file on cloud save, I am restarting today , if anyone wants any clues just drop here

[onyx sapphire]

please dont remind me of how my dumbass decided to take the big pit (thats what I use always) and quickly died of extreme hyperthermia due to the temperature being like 300 fuckin degrees

not only did my seamoth explode but I did as well

[trail ether]

that is the pod 15 log

are you saying the PDA was there but not the debris?

[restive hornet]

i mean I got the radio message for lifepod 15 and the notice, and after a bit I went out with a seaglide toward it. Once I made it to the marker, there was nothing there, so I assumed it sank

From what I've been hearing here, it's supposed to be on the surface

the radio message, at least for me, talked about not being attacked(unless im mixing it up with lifepod 9?)

most of the PDA messages don't work for me, and I distinctly remember a voice saying it

[worldly valve]

You havent reloaded a file without closing have you?

Your save sounds borked

[fiery fiber]

Aww man! That's what I thought you were hitting at. I was going that direction and

[restive hornet]

i've gotten the warning a few times, but I haven't saved

[forest valve]

did you save, exit, and reload the game without closing first?

if you saved and exited, fully close the game

[restive hornet]

I have indeed fully closed the game

every single time I go to the main menu 🥲

There's also some weird thing in my safe shallows, where at a certain spot it loads some assets weirdly

[worldly valve]

Yeah thats normal

[restive hornet]

one day when I visited the mushroom forests, I had like the mushroom parts of the trees floating there

past few days it's been the azurite sparkling

[worldly valve]

Yeah thats normal

Its a bug in legacy

[restive hornet]

there's also this thermal pit next to my base that duplicates resources

[worldly valve]

C2c enhances it a lil

[worldly valve]

Now that is interesting

[trail ether]

that spot is 000

the map origin

[worldly valve]

Reika

Is it currently possible to get tungsten grains?

Or is it fully bugged

[trail ether]

GameObjects which do not load properly end up losing their position data, and thus end up at 000

[worldly valve]

Not looking for the anwwr, just wondering if dedicsting play time to it is worth atm

[trail ether]

I have said several times that it is

that I recently completed a playthrough

[restive hornet]

I had to collect 4 glass lockers worth of quartz, uranite, lithium, magnetite, etc from there

[worldly valve]

The last message i saw was that it was bugged with the forest nethid

[restive hornet]

and every time I save more appears

[worldly valve]

Is it plausible its bugged in a similar way to the || blood kelp stuff ||

[worldly valve]

Not super surprising. Not super game breaking either.

[restive hornet]

mhm, no modded ores so there's that

but for how long idk

[trail ether]

no

[restive hornet]

is there a way to downport so I'd be able to get the missing wrecks?

🥲

wreck/debri

[worldly valve]

Sunbeam isnt a wrekc is just items on the ground. But i thini you said you set up a acanning room in the mountains for that already

You could try forcing the sunbeam to crash again

[restive hornet]

I saw at least like 20 pings there, and each had nothing

[worldly valve]

That might retrigger it

[restive hornet]

I even warpforwarded to check in the terrain

[worldly valve]

You could try circling around a bit, sometimea it stuggles to load in a lil

[restive hornet]

I've had at least 4 testing creative worlds where I've done it as well, nothing

[worldly valve]

Otherwise try respawning sunbeam crash

Might help

Weird

Redownload the mods mayba

[restive hornet]

done that as well

[worldly valve]

Do you use mods outside c2c?

[restive hornet]

just radial tabs and terrainpatcher

and the required ones

[worldly valve]

And course in legacy cause woruld work

Terrein acrually is required now but fair

Hum

[restive hornet]

mhmh

It's weird

[worldly valve]

Idk man

The onyl other question i uave is whats your pc specs?

[restive hornet]

since again, the glass biomes wreck and crag field exist

[worldly valve]

You said 110 fps...so solid i bet

[restive hornet]

ryzen 7, rtx4060

[worldly valve]

You got a weird asa problem sir

[restive hornet]

I know 😔

Lifepod 9 was where it was supposed to be, I even stumbled upon lifepod 14 in my relentless debri searches

I've found 2 of the custom habitats

[worldly valve]

It?

15 is all broken up btw

Its not fully there

But there should be stuff there

[restive hornet]

i saw nothing

not even a black pixel while I was fighting for my life

[worldly valve]

Um

Verify fike integrity?

That never fixes fuck all

But idk

[restive hornet]

fun fact, idk if it's a me issue

lumenshroom is global and I went crazy searching for it

main base scanner room is set between the red grass and safe shallows, mountains biome side

it kept picking up lumenshroom while my mountains island scanner didn;t

I wasnt happy when I finally did find it >:(

[worldly valve]

Hahaha

Oofty

[restive hornet]

is the border the only place with sunbeam debri?

I think the ghost leviathan in the blood kelp has seen some things, and that's my 10 scanner room bases propped everywhere

[worldly valve]

Would the data of the text for tongelilly does not ahow up when lookong at them relevent @trail ether

[trail ether]

???

[worldly valve]

When i look at a tonguelilly

Its name doesnt show

[restive hornet]

it shows for me?

[worldly valve]

Unlike other flora

[restive hornet]

nah what version am I even playing at this point

[worldly valve]

It tells you if its wrong

[trail ether]

what part are you looking at

[worldly valve]

The tendril

The only text i can get to show is the

% accumulated

[trail ether]

that probably is stealking the mouseover

[restive hornet]

If you wear the breathing things in creative, it kinda shadows you into survival. Leviathans become aggressive toward you, try to kill you, and if you take off the mask you drown @trail ether

Dunno if it's an important enough glitch though

[worldly valve]

Weird. Well thendrowning bit less si hahahaha thats more the liquid

I find levathans mostly ignore me

[restive hornet]

And mister down below can yeet you to the other side of the map

I didn't even know what happened but suddenly I was from the aurora to the mountains

[restive hornet]

There was some weird moment where I started blacking out before I even put the mask on, which went away once I did put it away

Next thing I know a ghost leviathan was trying to push me into the fifth dimension

[worldly valve]

Hmmm maybe to get tungaton what i need is

Liek a full base under a mushroom tree

I think a ppanter isnt enough

[restive hornet]

Is the sparkly stuff from the mushroom trees important?

[worldly valve]

Sns theres been a few hints about the plankkyon

So i think i need sparkles and plankton with the tonguelily

[restive hornet]

The sparkles eat my FPS during night :(

Not as bad as glass biome

[worldly valve]

And maybe anither tech on top

[restive hornet]

But noticeable :(

[worldly valve]

The place i get massive lag is one of the survavor bases

It causes game speed decay if i build there too

[restive hornet]

Never use the day command near the dunes

You'll get flashbanged

[worldly valve]

Lop

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/9uXqEp6.jpeg

just experienced it again

[unreal flame]

Honestly these things were scarier when I thought they were worms

[normal rune]

I know this is a few days old, but just wanted to mention that yes, it is a bug in vanilla as well

[trail ether]

I had a similar tohught and feeling

[normal rune]

so how far does the FCS support go? can i safely grab the entire set of FCS mods and it integrate relatively well?

[trail ether]

it should

[normal rune]

sweet. also, i went to redownload the whole thing (had to refresh my whole PC, major headache) and it looks like ECC link on your website goes to submodica still

[trail ether]

I cannot currently edit my site

[pastel comet]

are there any ways to improve the search for ||geyser coral|| i have ||20/21 rn and im struggling to find one of the last 2||

||tbh i cant even seem to get 21 or 22 scanner blips to appear||

||i can get like 15 to appear and it seems like all ones ive been to||

[tulip silo]

be sure to close any doors you don't need opened as leaving them opened drops the fps for some reason

[pastel comet]

||okay after doing some debugging ive found there are at least 3 geyser coral that seem to spawn out of bounds?||

||but i assume that shouldnt matter since other people have been able to complete the scans and the file for their generation doesnt seem to have been updated any time recently||

[trail ether]

appearing out of bounds should NOT happen

[pastel comet]

uh oh

okay once im on my pc ill provide more info

[pastel comet]

this is what id found

if i go out of bounds they dont seem to be scannable either they stop rendering if i get close

although ive also noticed the coordinates in the xml file dont seem to line up with a lot of the actual locations so im not quite sure how this works fully

actually hm i should check this again with collision debug

ah right yeah they do have collision though

[pastel comet]

if theyre not scannable maybe theyre ones i scanned already that got displaced 🤔

[worldly valve]

try using the lklgiht disk thing to assist

[pastel comet]

the what

oh the pathfinder tool?

[worldly valve]

ye pathfinder

[pastel comet]

yeah ive tried that im pretty sure ive found all the cave

ive stopped checking through though because now im not sure if my cave is bugged

i mean i guess i could try again and track by writing down coordinates of each one i find to see what it adds up to in count

[trail ether]

the plates are subobjects whose position is adjusted relative to the parent to fit the terrain

and the XML only specifies the position of the parent

early on there was an issue where if the terrain failed to load the plates would then endlessly phase downards in search of terrain, but that was fixed a long time ago, and it worked fine in mine and several other people's playthroughs

[pastel comet]

uhhhhh okay i found one out of bounds that was scannable but it disappeared when i tried, thats worrying

ive found 5 in total out of bounds but they also dont render until in a certain range so honestly there could be more

ive tried writing down the coordinates of everything i can find not out of bounds and only can count 15

well if i spawn one in it works i guess

[modest shoal]

Hmm, the geyser in safe shallows seems to have died?

[icy relic]

And after you find it?

Oh i see

[warm remnant]

So I think that tungsten grains can only be obtained by using tonguelily. The tonguelily itself can be used in two ways: the main one and the additional one (mushroom tree spores).

[restive hornet]

How are you marking recipes. Whenever I try to do so it doesn't work

[icy relic]

How do you access the plankton scoop module? it does not appear anywhere on the front of the seamoth
If its anything, i have storage and torpedo modules

[bitter kraken]

https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/22

[restive hornet]

thank you 🙏

[summer pilot]

why are all of my seamoth depth modules "spawned in" even in creative (all the other modules work fine)

[trail ether]

it provides a standard storage access mount now

[icy relic]

I didn't see it on my seamoth
Are there any known mod incompatibilities?

Or why it wouldn't work

[forest valve]

try putting it in different slots

[icy relic]

I tried two slots but I'll try them all when I can

[pastel comet]

should just appear like a normal storage compartment on the side

[worldly valve]

If you bave a storage it might just be merging with jt

[icy relic]

Ok i moved it through all of the slots and it appears when in Slot 2 or 4 but there is no physical storage visible, in slot 4 it says "Access torpedo bay 4" same with slot 2, but i guess it takes it as a torpedo upgrade. Well atleast i can now accesss my phytoplankton

[tame leaf]

so what is this mod for? i tried scrolling to the top but theres 22k messages here and i am NOT doing that 😭

[unreal flame]

Sea to sea is a progression overhaul mod, adding new tools, resources, POIs, and mechanics to extend how long a save game lasts

[tame leaf]

woah, thats awesome!! thank you!

[forest valve]

extends your playthrough to be easily 60 hours

[fiery fiber]

It's not easy and it does NOT follow normal progression. It will challenge you to explore and really use your resources

Plus out of respect to reika and what was done foe the rationale foe the mod we won't give spoilers here really. Hints are good to go though 😇

[unreal flame]

i'd disagree with "not following normal progression"

only a few things get completely shifted around, the rest of it is just inserting new portions into the existing progression

the single largest upset is probably the prawn (and associated loss of the drill arm) but this is largely circumvented by the rock crusher being introduced around the same relative point

[forest valve]

oh you dont have access to the drill arm?

[unreal flame]

not until the lava zone

[forest valve]

goddamn

well understandable ig, since kyanite

[unreal flame]

the rock crusher breaks large deposits moved into it

it is not any more or less efficient at doing so

[round vessel]

if you give it power its way faster than drill arm

also some large deposits are movable with grav trap

[tame leaf]

that's fire

[icy relic]

Huh?! I found like 7/11 fragments of it and I haven't even went into the grand Reef

[unreal flame]

you'll see.

[fiery fiber]

Ya ... mis worded I mean does not follow progression paths that we are used to from vanilla by adding more elements and requirements for the progression path. Heh .. thank you for keeping me accountable to being more articulate 😋

[normal rune]

wait... i can move the deposits and pull them into the crusher with a grav trap?

[round vessel]

Not all of them, some of the non-vanilla ones like mercury and crystaline sulfur

Its faster than propultion cannon + you can pull more of them at once, ita great for taking them out of caves/acid pits

[high sluice]

Is C2C for 2.0?

[pallid schooner]

No

[fiery fiber]

All I know is if sub 2 needs it .... hope hope hope reika does c2c magic for it

[normal rune]

Reika stated in the past she is waiting for Nautilus to hit 2.0

[pallid schooner]

More likely Nautilus' release

[normal rune]

that makes sense

[worldly valve]

The few benefits of 2.0 sinply arent worth waiting for

Especually since the game doea add new bugs n issues with 2

[normal rune]

to be entirely fair, some people might have the came on Epic and therefore unable to play on Legacy

[worldly valve]

I always forget that epic sucks

Its funny that steam put bare minimal effort in forever ago

And is just a better platform accross the board lol

[forest valve]

to get out of beta**

nautilus was on 2.0 ever since it came out

well technically not really but thats because nautilus is smlhelper renamed

[carmine peak]

nautilus will never come out of beta.

[past geyser]

it will

[errant cairn]

It better be out soon™️

[sour aurora]

Hey can anyone tell me exactly what options I would need to mess with in order to make C2C and Deathrun play nicely together?

After looking around I know I'll need to disable the personal crush depth, but the only options are Easy, Hard, and Deathrun? I guess I'll set it to Easy but thats not really the same as off. I wish the options would be a little more specific with what they mean

Also are there any other settings that need changed from the default?

[forest valve]

if they need options to be messed with to work together, then they probably wont work together

[sour aurora]

I have seen other people in this thread saying they run them together, so I know it can be done

@wispy kelp For instance, I see you have played over 200 hours of Deathrun + C2C. What are your settings if I may ask?

[unreal flame]

I would say disable anything depth related as well as the disposable batteries thing

sea to sea has its own mechanics for player depth and Deathrun's batteries are incompatible with sea to sea's battery changes at the moment

[wispy kelp]

haha

hahahah

ahHAAHAH

way more then 200 brother

[wispy kelp]

honestly deathruns batteries are abysmally bad

(intended to be)

@sour aurora what i do

is keep personal crush limit on until i get breathing equipment from C2C

the liquid breather n all

i set its vehicle recipes to easy to have c2cs way harder vehicle recipes

[forest valve]

yeah do NOT use deathrun to modify ANY recipes when using c2c

[sour aurora]

Ok thanks! Quite helpful

[gusty urchin]

guys how to get the depth module mk1 for seamoth?

I've been looking for it like 10 hours already

[worldly valve]

What biomes have you completed?

Also keep in mind that double big air tanks is real busted and can safeky get you to 400m

[gusty urchin]

like every exept blood kelps and dunes

and deep biomes

[unreal flame]

what falls under "deep biomes"

[gusty urchin]

biomes that deeper then 400m

[unreal flame]

you should go back through some biomes, then

[gusty urchin]

okay

[worldly valve]

I think you missef an earlier biome

Listen to voice logs

[lusty umbra]

I had the Depth Module, and now it's gone. I can't make them anymore. Does anyone know why?

[unreal flame]

did you update recently?

reika recently changed it to be acquired differently, and made the one found in the Aurora non-functional

[lusty umbra]

does anyone know where it is now

I saw the cyclops recipe change so its a good thing I made it beforehand.

[trail ether]

if this save predates the update you need a new save

[fiery fiber]

Hey ducks! Regarding plankton... ||I started a new save and planted lilies next to my hatch in a pot. Haven't seen any plankton yet. And I do reika said about having to start the process early. I'm wondering if we over thought this|| in any case I will continue to monitor abs report. But so far appears to be working

[worldly valve]

That was aorta one of the ideas i had, because i built.my planter in a slightly different apot

Maybe ill pop on again toniggt

[fiery fiber]

Yup! Seems to be working good. Just built a moonpool and no lil buggers so far

[sour aurora]

how are we supposed to use the compass when it just keeps spinning? Looked on the github and found no mention of how its supposed to work

[worldly valve]

The compass was pretty heavily nerfed unfortunately

Get used to triangualting with beacones and the survivor pods n stuff

[trail ether]

or navigating by actually seeing

[worldly valve]

Thats good once in a biome. Easier to trianguate on near surfave level otherwise imo

Subnautica has the kind of map whetr evetytbing looks very similar until you can find the key landmarls

And even then, extremely easy to get lose even in a small area

[lusty umbra]

how do i get a microfilter just started a new save after update

[worldly valve]

The real advice is to not worry about it for now

Just keep combing the biomea you havent completed

[forest valve]

afaik microfilter is way too early for you rn

[jade osprey]

hey can I get a hint on seamoth depth module mk1? I kinda already have mk2 and mk3 so it's a bit uncomfortable. I found 1/3 elements and searched pretty much every corner of the biome but nothing more. Please don't tell me I have to search every mushroom urethra there is

or is there any way to look up the new stuff? I enjoy blind playthroughs as much as the next guy but at some point backtracking 20 wrecks is getting tedious

[fiery fiber]

Go back to where you found the first, you should have a hint where the others are

Using the map from the sea glider may also help you to find where you haven't looked possibly

[worldly valve]

scanning rooms r great

you should build moar

[jade osprey]

Yeah I'm currently doing grid search of the whole map with them

But this thing definitely isn't picked up by them

I'll try looking there again soon with the seaglide map

[worldly valve]

It should be after you picked uo the first

1 of the 3 data carda are easy the find

The other two are a lot tricker

1 especially

[jade osprey]

that's really reassuring

[worldly valve]

Well they are alao in the ||jelly||

Look for hard to get spots

The scanning room should pick up the othet two cards if you swim around there for awhile

[jade osprey]

I really wish it did

I found the second

and see a similar spot

and it makes me wanna get a second medkit fabricator

[worldly valve]

Wherr was the second roughly

I think i know actually based on the damage you took

[jade osprey]

the second was safe maybe 20 metres away from the first

[jade osprey]

I just spent 30 minutes burning my medkits trying to get into an opening above a vent that for some reason doesn't have the opening and is straight up out of bounds

[worldly valve]

|| you are looking for a vert tiny cave down low||

[jade osprey]

nah bro I found it

[worldly valve]

Where are you losing health that fast? That sounds weird

Noice

[jade osprey]

the tricky part was seeing it

I passed through it probably 10 times

but there actually is a false crevice just above the vents that looks exactly the same on the seaglide terrain scanner

with a passage and all

but it's just out of bounds

[worldly valve]

I found it onoy woth the scanning room

I dislike the seamoth so i found the first data card and came bacm way way later whrn i needed to get deptch modules. Scan room picked it up for me, i could have spent hours searching for that hardestbone

[fiery fiber]

Yabthat IS the tricky part. It's hard to see cuz the colors

[jade osprey]

lol

[jade osprey]

I wonder why mine doesn't detect that it's pretty much directly above it 24/7

well honestly it could just barely miss it by a few meters with no upgrades

[silk pond]

i am the complete opposite i love the seamoth

[worldly valve]

too sloooowwww

[fiery fiber]

Just keeping thread alive 😋

But question. I finally made it to a comet that fell right on top of me. I checked the water and there was nothing around me. Is the comet rng or should thee have been something?

[forest valve]

there shoudl always be something

and it should be a black brick falling down

[fiery fiber]

Hmmm ok. Will keep trying

Thanks!

[barren oar]

oh wow reapers are annoying

why do they kill you off in half a second

cant even see the entire animation

pretty annoying you have to restart the game completely on each death too, but i assume it's there for some sort of workaround

i can't say i remember that existing last i played but its been a while anyway

oh or maybe its just to make suicide runs much more annoying to do?

but if thats the case maybe adding a bit of extra delay when respawning on every death, that slowly ticks down, would work better

such that 'legit' deaths arent punished by a few minutes long restart and save reload, while suicide runs are punshied by way of it taking longer and longer to respawn on each death (maybe with some sort of bullshit lore reason like atom reconstructors overheating due to working too much, and needing to cool down for a while)

||multiple titanium signatures|| is a very interesting line too, which i assume foreshadows ||the base you find in the crash zone? assuming that it hasn't been changed/moved since last i played, i mean||

[worldly valve]

Look up is my advice

[barren oar]

nah not looking for sorts of advice just commenting on what i find new

(aurora) ||what the hell lool the depth module just spawned a seamoth that instantly exploded in the wall||

||at least the cyclops module didnt explode in my fucking face||

[barren oar]

(nearby aurora) ||you really should be able to scan this room to get the blueprint tbhh||

oh well back to the search i guess

the crash zone turning a deep red when it turns night is so fucking cool

well its more like an intense orange but whatever

[warm remnant]

Does anybody found how to obtain tungsten grains?

I havent played this game for a while and now curious about progress on this topic.

[fiery fiber]

All still trying to get there

[unique stag]

anyone got a hint on where to find ||lithogel?||

[trail ether]

suicide runs are now completely impossible

if you die you get kicked out

so you lose whatever you gained

[barren oar]

ah! that makes sense

is it intended to also somewhat punish normal deaths? or just a side-effect that can't really be done away with considering the situation

[trail ether]

the latter

[barren oar]

damn rip

[barren oar]

oh damn the cause behind c2c world items (e.g. filtered water in the container at the island) not disappearing on use hasnt been found yet?

just had it occur with the item mentioned above (||at the damaged azurite battery location||), sending log in case it helps any

although i see theres no error before all the tooltip exceptions, so i assume its not very helpful either

[gusty urchin]

maybe some islands?

[fiery fiber]

I believe that was related to a vanilla issue. But it only really happens to those items. I believe they disappear on reload, or just do them in a trash can or something

[barren oar]

yep its still somewhat annoying to need to reload when you use em

esp bc you need to quit completely using c2c

[barren oar]

i love ||campfire|| (de extinction fishes cannot be processed :( )

[unique stag]

alr ill try to look through those

i haven't 100% them yest

[barren oar]

huhh hmm i just emptied a tool with an azurite battery with full inventory, shouldnt it have gone in the pending items list

bc i then threw out a regular battery to make space and it (azurite battery) didnt pop up

oh nvm it has 2 spots yep

yeah ignore i truly did just forget; (post laser cutter) ||i really like how there isnt any safe place to put your seamoth at the crash zone base due to the reaper, such that you're way better off making 2 trips to get everything & going 'by foot' so gameplay doesnt become to take your vehicle actually anywhere you need||

azurite speed boost helps greatly in this regard

also is (still post laser cutter) ||the crash zone base reaper's aggression turned up? felt like i was getting assaulted every 5 seconds, although i was also doing it in the night time and the laser cutter was bright as hell, does that change anything about the behaviour?||

[barren oar]

oh shit you cant progression skip lifepod 15 anymore ||it spawns 2-3(?) ghost levis at the same time|| lool

[trail ether]

I could probably add that if they can be cooked

[trail ether]

glad to know that measure is effective

[unreal flame]

I wonder how automatic the process could be made

Considering the ever-expanding number of mods that add edible fish

[trail ether]

it needs sprites

[unreal flame]

Which could be automated by applying a hue adjustment to the cooked/cured sprite

I suppose then it’s a matter of not knowing where the sprites are

Could just be a process you put them through once rather than being something the mod does on the user’s device

[trail ether]

it is not that simple

[trail ether]

and the sprites are not stored that way in SN

or really in unity

I did write a way to extract texture data from a UnityEngine.Sprite but it basically relies on a pixel-by-pixel copy

it is NOT cheap

[unreal flame]

??? do i need to teach you how to use asset studio then??

[trail ether]

never even heard of that

but that is not automated

[trail ether]

at that point I would just do it myself

[barren oar]

could you not just change the sprite renderer's color field to brown or something

source https://discussions.unity.com/t/adding-tint-to-a-sprite/142046/2

although then's the question of figuring out if a given item is a raw fishe or not i assume?

[trail ether]

that is a color multiplier

so anything not red to yellow will just turn black

[barren oar]

oh rip

then a shader that just lowers brightness or so? assuming you can apply shaders to sprite renderers idk if you xan

[trail ether]

there are no custom shaders

[barren oar]

can you not add them via assetbundles

damn rip then

[unreal flame]

Not true

[barren oar]

why the fuck are there SEVEN BONESHARKS constantly following you in the crag fields

like i get dissuading against taking the seamoth everywhere but this isnt a threat its just a nuke waiting to go off inside of your seamoth for no apparent reason

right i guess i stumbled into a hot spot bc i took another route and theres only 3 this time

[barren oar]

(grand reef) ||the anchor pods can EXPLODE?||

it does make the local fauna a bit more of a threat to worry about at least

[barren oar]

no fucking way i find the seamoth mk2 depth module before mk1

well recipe for

[stable gust]

in my game the path in the aurora to the captains quarters is glitched there is only water; the rooms are missing, its like falling through to the bottom,
can I gnore this ? or is my game broken

[barren oar]

ow the || glass forest || is as laggy as ever

although i didnt linger much because i dont have the gear to do anything down there yet

[barren oar]

huh. the containers at the ||damaged azurite battery|| location, when despawned by moving away then respawned by coming back, keep respawning their contents

not too game breaking through since theres only a first aid kit + powercell in there

it feels like the waterproof containers also respawned their loot but i cant replicate that as easily, at least

[barren oar]

ohh lol you can cheese || alkali vines || by positioning your seamoth nearby them, and they're very easy to get to at the || mountains || area

unless thats intended and getting the || propulsion cannon || as a prerequisite is overcomplicating it

[unreal flame]

this is actually intended

[barren oar]

huh

and also planting || deepvine || doesnt make the item 2x2 in the planter, while also not allowing you to plant more than 6, like usual

??? i tried planting || lumenshoom ||, and at first, it transformed into a "Jellyshroom" item in the planter's gui, but in-world it was the correct model/texture/color; then, i look at it again after planting a second, and they reverted into the seed, look selectable, but aren't actually grabbable?

also nothing's planted there in-world anymore

had a slight feeling that saving and reloading while like this would somehow break something so i deconstructed the planter to get rid of them completely; but if they arent supposed to be plantable, maybe blacklist them from the planter?

[unreal flame]

they're meant to be plantable, but it isn't useful to do so

[barren oar]

oh do they just not do the thing they do in their natural habitat

vaguely remembered that was their deal but wasnt too sure

huh why is || nozzlevine || a sea-based flora if you can find it in the || mountains ||, above water

didnt realise it was under flora > sea until i tried planting it into an external growbed just now

[forest valve]

they arent plantable iirc

i mean

i think its made specifically so that you have to go back to everytiem

you cant plant them yourself

[barren oar]

woah weird plant

when it was growing it had a very different model and its color is vastly different from its natural variant and the item texture

hopefully this doesnt end up bricking my save? lol

[barren oar]

why does putting a room info panel unspecialise the room </3

plant pots unspecialise an agricultural center ??

[barren oar]

oh wow collecting nearly every sample ahead of time (except fucking rouge cradles for some sort of reason) made my life a lot easier

wahaha i ended up uncovering || salve bushes || so a blessing in disguise?

[barren oar]

oh the natural variant of the plant appeared at 0, 0, 0

as things tend to when playing c2c

[stable gust]

sorry to ask again are there any important blueprints I could miss later?

[barren oar]

oh yeah sorry ive kinda buried you

[barren oar]

are || sunbeam debris || a limited resource that i have to move base for? i saved and reloaded, then cancelled the scanner room's.. scanning on it as there were 0 around anymore, but now it's no longer being listed

nvm i just had to wander around a bit i guess

[unreal flame]

that seems pretty bad

[unreal flame]

they're scattered in a limited area, probably fully coverable by one or two scanner rooms, but to be detected the chunks will need to be loaded in at least once

the pings also have a tendency to disappear if you're too far from the scanner room

[barren oar]

ive noticed i get pings but no actual item at the location

thought it was just that theres a spawn cap, but ive got 0 items since my last reload

well ive had this particular issue way back when i last played too but i was hoping there'd been a fix found for it by now

[fiery fiber]

Ahhhhh that would explain it. That's why when I built a second scanner room that over lapped the pieces didn't despawn. They still do but if I wait a bit they'll respawn

[fiery fiber]

Ya so ... one way to overcome i did was to have a scanner room on alien base side of mtn, and another one at the bulb,mushroom, mountain tri state intersection.

The pieces don't disappear as much when I got those 2 scanners running

[carmine peak]

ToSeaTo

[unique stag]

||is there a debug to spawn blood larva bc in my main survival world I found the cave where they normally spawn and had no luck (verified that it was the right cave in a separate world)||

[worldly valve]

The seamoth is bad. The azure seaglide is the way

Seaglide is slow and bulky and not all that useful

Azure seaglide is always less than 30 seconds from surface

Carry 2 big air tanks for great justice

[worldly valve]

I found mk 4 before mk 1...to be fair i knew whwre it was lolololol

[worldly valve]

Your deacription earlier sounded crazy tbh might be broken

[worldly valve]

Sometimes the items take a bit to spawn. Its annoyong tbh

[worldly valve]

This isnt what you asked for but

||liquidairtank||

[barren oar]

hi i dont get ACUs what do you mean no plants and no biome

the creepvines are still growing at ~50% each but they dont seem to be progressing any, and i cant seem to be able to cut them down either to replace or whatever

mostly im just looking for free stalker teeth i left some scrap there for a while and nothing dropped though

as far as i can tell theres only stalkers, stalker eggs, (indefinitely growing) creepvines and the scrap i just re-dropped rn, so all species should be of the same biome?

fwiw 3 of the creepvines are growing from sample and 1 of them is from the seed, but i doubt that'd be the problem?

[jade osprey]

Maybe the acu has to be 2 rooms tall for them iirc ?

[unreal flame]

it likely doesn't count plants that aren't fully grown

and yes the ACU needs to be at least two tall for creepvine

[sinful perch]

same applies for bloodvine
they all require 2 floor aquariums

[barren oar]

oh shit that makes sense yeah

ive never really used acus before bc you really didnt need them past decoration in vanilla

i was sure i'd ended up in some unfortunate state achieved... somehow where my options were to live with it or replace and hope it wont happen again

[jade osprey]

does reloading a world without reopening the game permanently break the save file even if I didn't save after reading the warning ?

I may have done that at the beginning of my save but then everything was pretty much fine up until the larvae point when I clearly get an exception in the logs and the stuff isn't spawning

is there even a point in playing further or am I going to get more and more of those

are there any more unspoken modding rules that I should be aware of other than properly reloading worlds ? sorry I'm clearly a noobie here

that's the modding list I hope nothing conflicting

[barren oar]

considering it only warns you to exit without saving when you reload, i assume it should still be fine if you didnt save back then

and ive only ever seen this as a measure when using c2c specifically, myself, so most certainly not an unspoken rule

that said, it would probably help with identifying the issue if you also sent the log

the ocassional exception is pretty common in c2c, last i've seen

[jade osprey]

it's really messy and there's multiple worlds as I tried to spawn in it creative and it worked the second time

[unreal flame]

it should be fine

[jade osprey]

but it's pretty much DRAGON INDUSTRIES - ALTERRA DIVISION: WorldGen holder @ (coords) had no generator!

and maybe a bunch of missing textures here and there for some reason

[bitter kraken]

It is overall highly recommended to reopen the game when reloading a save, with any subnautica mod, including SML/nautilus itself (i know that you are running on legacy, just wanna warn if you decide to switch to 2.0)
If not done this may lead to various problems, from almost none to game breaking, highly depends on how the mods work

And also the save itself

[bitter kraken]

I would personally recommend you to create a new save, but i would also first hear other peoples opinion

[jade osprey]

I remember playing this mod 1.5 years ago and it was a complete bugfest for me but I also stepped into the trap of reloading not sure if I saved back then

so I gave up

and now I have 30+ hours and it's mostly been great especially the performance improvements

but I don't know if I got in me another attempt

[bitter kraken]

You can either create a new save and cheat everything you had in the previous one, or just roll with the original save until it is unplayable

[jade osprey]

I'm 100% sure I didn't save this time but still here I am

[jade osprey]

I think there's a lot of stuff that has to be scanned and triggered and collected for the ending so still not that easy

[bitter kraken]

Yeah, you will be set back quite a lot in this case

[jade osprey]

it's just according to Reika the complete playthrough is possible as I understand

so I'm really curious where I have gone wrong

[barren oar]

why tf is there a warper in one of them || dune || wreck :( how are you supposed to cut the door

oh you can bait it out but it just comes back

[unreal flame]

that'd be the game's fault

[barren oar]

oh i thought it was c2c

since it generally makes the game harder

[barren oar]

can there really not be anything done to || glass forest || (or whatever its called) lag? going from about 50-60 to 10-14 isnt very fun to play with

to be fair my rig isnt exactly good either (gtx 1050 2gb vram, ryzen 5 3600, 16gb ram even though i assume the latter doesnt matter any) but surely something's being done there for that drastic a change

actually it looks like it goes up to about 20 after a while, but thats still a big drop

[unreal flame]

That’s kind of a misunderstanding of sea to sea’s goals

Things like leviathans being present somewhere are a means to the end of pointing the player towards a particular solution

They aren’t there to test reflexes or just purely be a nuisance

[barren oar]

ahh yeah, fair

also argh can you really not breathe under 500m in a base without || liquid breathing ||

or at least cant if you go outside and then back in

unsure if the latter is relevant bc i didnt get to experiment much before i died

oh theres just a buffer of a few seconds before ryley remembers he can breathe

unfortunately that means i cant look around in the Deep Place Where The Thing Fell™️

presumably intended prog skip patch?

[barren oar]

what the hell is this

unsure if its c2c related bc i also have de extinction & radial tabs

cant seem to be able to do much with it

coords are ||-712, -315, -1080||

empty items found in the ||sea trader area, at 175m away from lifepod 9, NW, at some wreckage on the ground||

[unreal flame]

de-extinction adds a couple of unused assets, including these

[barren oar]

huh..

interesting

[sinful perch]

i don't think de-extinction has the grand reef crystals anymore though

[worldly valve]

Its meant to be you strugfling for air...but it can be the msot brutal death

Sometimes you take danage for like a solid 30 seconds

[barren oar]

that makes sense

considering its the || depth pressure || that does you in, at that depth

[worldly valve]

Tbh i think there is major bugs Reika only partially fixed

There has been a few people reporting bloodclawer issues post the fix

[barren oar]

the ||grand reef ghost leviathan|| ONESHOTS?

well i dont actually remember how much hp i had couldve been like 80 damage or some shit

but im just trying to set up a scanner my guy chill tf out

also how far in progression is this seamoth mk1 bc im reaching the point where i can make my own ||azurite batteries|| with relative ease (minus damage taken from harvesting the resource, but im leaving worrying about the equipment until later)

also at the point where stasis rifle is just annoying bc of the item mentioned above, although i do assume thats way earlier in progression

[gusty urchin]

it's like very early game actually

[barren oar]

???

[gusty urchin]

just hided well

search in early game biomes

[barren oar]

damn guess just blind then

yeah whatever ill build scanner rooms everywhere theyre cheap anyway

[gusty urchin]

use scanner room

yeah

[barren oar]

ill deal with it when i feel like it ty

was sure itd just be later because i hadnt seen a trace of it besides... the mk1 depth module in the aurora that spawns an instantly-exploded seamoth

[barren oar]

oh yeah im just skill issued i have like 50 hp

doesnt really help that it disappears long before the fog hides it but i assume thats just subnautica thing

[barren oar]

how the fuck do you link power transmitters btw the line doesnt seem to draw no matter how close i get them

is there like a practical distance cap bc im trying to move thermal power like 400m lol

well this is only tangentially a c2c question bc im using the floating ones

yeah okay so you just cant transmit power longer than 20m i assume bc its not relaying no matter how i place them

through terrain, avoiding terrain, avoiding objects, making sure they have a direct line of sight in general, using vanilla transmitters it really doesnt change much about the max distance, as far as i can tell

unless its some bullshit external factor like warpers... warping the electric field so it cant transmit well or something

[barren oar]

huh thats interesting to keep in mind

weird that it doesnt mention that under the actual item though

is this just a localisation error or is it an actual mechanic

||the immediate first thought of just dropping it above an active geyser does jack shit so i assume its related to the lava zone... if it actually does hint at any sort of mechanic||

databank entry doesnt mention it at all though :( couldve been a fun mechanic if handled properly

although i guess water doesnt exactly have o2 either so this wouldnt come into effect in an aquatic environment anyway?

[modest shoal]

Once you get too far from the thermal vent it stops working even if you connect it to a base

[barren oar]

oh thatd explain it

[modest shoal]

Tried doing it with a jellyshroom cave to safe shallows base and it stopped

I could build the base far enough to get it to connect, but once I moved out of range the base power just dropped

[barren oar]

thats a shame

but standard subnautica stuff i assume

[modest shoal]

I still wish I knew what stopped the safe shallows geyser from erupting

[barren oar]

scanner rooms should spawn with no camera bc you can repeatedly construct and deconstruct it for free cameras which invalidates the camera recipe

also theyre more of a liability just polluting your beacons 90% of the time tbh

also could || platinum || just have its gravity disabled and lock to the seafloor (when spawning) bc it suffers the usual subnautica problem of gravity pulling it through the fucking floor

usually its not much of an issue because whatever fell you can probably find somewhere else also, but this resource is only in this particular area and falls relatively quickly too

oh well actually this wouldnt solve much because they're moved within a few seconds of spawning anyway nvm

why the hell did it hatch with a mutation lolol

i see no differences otherwise but actually how does an object spawn a second model of itself thats parented correctly and the such

oh this happened on a bladderfish too but its way less noticeable

[trail ether]

the latter's description is changed in C2C but it sounds like the ingot unpacking delegate item is fetching the old one

[barren oar]

oh so it really isnt anything rip

cut planned feature?

or is that old vanilla item description since i think subnautica was planned to have it?

oh yeah it is the vanilla lore ahaha

[trail ether]

that is the vanilla tooltip

mercury is a cut vanilla item

[barren oar]

yep found it on the wiki

[barren oar]

isnt || base plankton || poison supposed to go away after exiting its area

i entered the poison area, entered my base through hatch, poison kept going, left base, left poison area, poison kept going... died

[barren oar]

also do stalkers just eat the scrap left in their acu bc i left a few pieces a few minutes ago and now theres nothing

if you have to continuously supply scrap its probably much better if you construct an unethical cage out of base pieces where you drop them together with some scrap and let them do their thing

which i highly doubt is an intended farming method

may be worth noting my stalker acu is in a separate base 150m away from my main base, but base pieces last i recall should be global anyway so that shouldnt matter any?

plus i havent seen any scrap on the ground under the base so i dont think any fell through the base

[trail ether]

yes

[trail ether]

it sounds like the OnTriggerExit never fired

[trail ether]

no?

[trail ether]

it would fall through the terrain too

in fact bases are more reliably solid than terrain is

[barren oar]

fair point yeah hng

so is there a way to attach items to something in the acu then, such that they wont be affected by gravity?

i saw theres a || stalker chew toy || item which i assume is the best, but im hesitant on using it because of the Third Resource In Its Recipe™️, as it takes a while to get to the gathering area

at least until i can ensure stuff never falls out, which at least i havent seen any tech counteracting?

Oh! maybe gravtrap but idk how that plays with stalkers ill have ta test

[worldly valve]

I think scanner room might not helo you find it

Mk 1 requires 3 hard as heck to find things

(Also the seamoth is sloe you have azur3 seaglide baby why would you wanna move at like half speed)

[worldly valve]

On occasion the glith exists

I usualy move further into base because move speed when it triggers

[worldly valve]

Big favts here subnatuica terrains eats shit all the time

[barren oar]

im unsure what the second half of the sentence means but ig yeah ill try wandering in the base next time

[worldly valve]

Moving in thr water is slow

[barren oar]

yep shouldve been fully aware i got my moth absorbed like 4 times this save

[barren oar]

oxygen, storage and access into bases without being poisoned to death

i use 4 storage modules which is absolutely goated though ill have to replace one with depth soon

its still not bad either the map is 5km diameter and it only takes 50s to traverse that at 10m/s, about the speed of the moth i think

wait

nvm i cant do math 500s

still fast considering you probably dont have to travel more than 1/5 of that distance to get to any biomes

excluding the POIs way outside the playable area ig

[zealous needle]

Encountered the problem that was mentioned before with ||blood crawler larva nests not spawning. Found the caves where it should happen judging by coordinates in source code but nothing there. Even built a base nearby with fully upgraded scanner room but not luck||
I suppose there is no immediate fix and I will have to spawn what I need manually

I also have these in log files but can't understand if generator itself worked correctly in the end
||(Filename: C:\plastic_workspace_unity\Runtime/Export/Debug/Debug.bindings.h Line: 35)
SEATOSEA: Queuing world generator BKelpBumpWormSpawner @ (-847.5, -533.8, 1273.7)

(Filename: C:\plastic_workspace_unity\Runtime/Export/Debug/Debug.bindings.h Line: 35)
SEATOSEA: Queuing world generator BKelpBumpWormSpawner @ (-863.8, -535.9, 1302.3)

(Filename: C:\plastic_workspace_unity\Runtime/Export/Debug/Debug.bindings.h Line: 35)
SEATOSEA: Queuing world generator BKelpBumpWormSpawner @ (-841.1, -539.0, 1304.4)||

[zealous needle]

I suppose that is related

DRAGON INDUSTRIES - ALTERRA DIVISION: WorldGen holder @ (-847.5, -533.8, 1273.7) had no generator!
DRAGON INDUSTRIES - ALTERRA DIVISION: WorldGen holder @ (-863.8, -535.9, 1302.3) had no generator!
DRAGON INDUSTRIES - ALTERRA DIVISION: WorldGen holder @ (-841.1, -539.0, 1304.4) had no generator!

[jade osprey]

quick question ?????

I kinda shot something with a stasis rifle nearby once upon a time but I didn't think that would persist forever in the save file

[zealous needle]

generator var for WorldGeneratorHolder is null for some reason. When I assigned new generator, needed object spawned

[barren oar]

oh my fucking god please make || base plankton || poison go away after entering the base or something i BEG

i have no clue how youre supposed to survive even the slightest entry into its area

oh you've come into contact with this invisible collider for half a second lose your progress since last save lol play better

at least c2c warns you to save frequently

[zealous needle]

that's why I save before each entry and exit to the base
most of the time I get through it just fine and my health stop dropping
sometimes I die because it bugged

the other thing that helps in critical situation when health still drops inside base - save right away. When you load this save, you will not have this effect anymore

and don't place several entrances to base nearby or these fields stack

workarounds but still good to know

[barren oar]

oh it doesnt save through... saves? i thought it was and never saved in fear of not fucking my entire world

thats good to know yep yep ty

[zealous needle]

yep, stumbled upon this accidentally

[barren oar]

by the by how the fuck do you harvest the || falling meteors ||
save-scummed 5 times, 2 times i'd completely missed it, 2 times i saw its glow (but nothing actually at the location), 1 time i got so close i could touch it with my hand (methaphorically) yet there was no sign of even a glow
edit: 6th time's the charm, guess its just really hard to see under night time

is it even anything relevant surely it wouldnt just be a useless red herring decoration with such a presentation (sound, ||big thing coming down, relation with the debris field mentioned by the sunbeam||)

at least i happened to stumble upon || lifepod 10 || because thats the general area it drops

[errant cairn]

would you guys wanna see me make my way through this mod? im streaming in vc

Where should I build my base? I remember the way to the jelly shroom caves

[gilded nova]

can i continue my save from like 2 years ago when i update or should i start fresh

[forest valve]

very recommended to do a new save

[gilded nova]

alright. was there new content or just "save breaking" changes

[bitter kraken]

Both, as i understand
Like 2 years is a long long time, especially for a mod which frequently updates

[gilded nova]

yeah forgot that reika is such a workhorse lol

[zealous needle]

made a fix that can be applied to any save with missing ||blood crawler larva nests||. It reapplies generator value so entities spawn again
https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/2328

[gilded nova]

its fine to use easycraft right

where does one find the c2c config

[jade osprey]

holy hell

irght imma take it real slow now in case this guy finds and fixes everything before I get a chance to mess it up

[gilded nova]

ah it generated after first launch

[forest valve]

lot of stuff is redone iirc

or like theres a bunch of stuff added and gone

[unreal flame]

i believe reika uses it

[trail ether]

I do

[gilded nova]

bro there is phytoplankton in front of my base that oneshots me when i try to get in

🙂

[gilded nova]

can i somehow get rid of this

[trail ether]

yes

[worldly valve]

Reika uses easy craft

But

I recall you hesitated to add extra storage to inventory

But thats

Much atronger🤭

There is a tech tjat makes it do no damage.

At one point i thought the tech that stops mobs from boppin was it

The real thinf is

You need that plankton

[barren oar]

lol yep have fun

never leave/enter the base without a vehicle otherwise you just cant

[barren oar]

you cant collect these ones, no?

i'd imagine it would just trivialise the challenge of... whatever you need to do since you need to make that anyway (and it would also make it inaccessible with 2/3 available vehicles?)

either way yeah they're annoying, you arent allowed to build a base anywhere outside the safe shallows and kelp forest until some arbitrary point in progression where you get some arbitrary piece of tech

not a main base featuring growbeds, at least

[worldly valve]

Not what needed for

I havent had the same death ossues you guys have had

I can get killed by planton

But usually moving forward in my base for a couple steps does it

[jade osprey]

Or it doesn't and you die anyway

Good thing I made a second hatch on the opposite side of the base just in case right ??

[barren oar]

doesnt it spawn at all entrances at once

or did i just always place the moonpool and hatch just close enough for one to cover the other

[forest valve]

@trail ether someone made a patch for the thing if ur interested in checking it out and applying it

[barren oar]

oh my fucking god base plankton sucks you cant even repair your docked vehicle with them

cant wait to get the legendary piece of technology that allows sending them to the deepest pits of hell

not testing because i dont have enough power to do it yet but i assume activating || seabase sonar || somewhere far from entrances would redirect them there? since || phytoplankton ||, which looks to be roughly the same """species""" as you can't scan the base variant, mentions movements activate them: ||sound -> movement -> attracts -> entrances are free||

alternatively just something dumb like a floodlight pointing in another direction

[zealous needle]

It's more of a retroactive console command fix
Can't find the reason for this behavior still + would like to make it automatic

And it seems I'm going to have the same problem with ||avolite||

||coz in my previous game I saw it all the time and now I didn't find even one||

[forest valve]

i see

[zealous needle]

yep, for some reason has error message in log
SEATOSEA: Invalid sunbeam debris location, deleting @ (219.6, -386.0, 1425.1)

[barren oar]

yep average ||avolite|| experience lol

just keep gambling youll probably get it within two hours

do there really need to be that many || spore "rainfalls" in the mushroom forest || it drags me to 10fps whenever im in a like 100m vicinity of the biome or something

makes the game almost unplayable and the constant ||loss of vision (because theres no way im going to maneuver a seamoth between the trees while playing a slideshow|| makes it more annoying than anything

fucking OW SIX FPS

istg if im gonna have to setup outposts around here to collect The Lag Causers™️ or at least i assume them to be lag causers

probably will have to considering there arent really red herrings in c2c (that i've seen?) but its going to be annoying as hell

[zealous needle]

I don't have problem with this biome, though I thought that I would
But I had insane lags near base when I had plankton and nooslevine (don't remember correct name)

Turned out that my problem was resolved by clearing this insane amount of object at 000 coordinates
I run "clear000" console command that Reika implemented in mod

It helped to go from 20 to 45 fps at base
Maybe it can help you too

[gilded nova]

That is new since the last time i played. looks gorgeous

[barren oar]

yeah ive done that a few times but it didnt seem to affect much

[barren oar]

goddamn the || seamoth mk2 depth upgrade || costs so many slots

had only the last row empty or somesuch

ENTERING THE EARLY GAME 🔥

i shudder to think what hard mode does

and yet no matter how far you progress you're still going to get 10 damage from every small fish hitting your windshield

holy shit || lifepod 2 || is brutal without the Lung Upgrade™️

holy fuck why are there so many crabsquids in my local area...

WHERE the fuck did the || ghost leviathan || come from (|| northern bloodkelp zone ||)

is that vanilla and i was always lucky enough to not find it or a c2c addition

well this is awkward

warpforward 1 my beloved

also gave myself a medkit to heal a tad because i feel its only fair when i end up walking on the seafloor and take half my hp damage as a result

oh i consumed one that i had previously by accident so now i have a tainted "this item was spawned etc etc into the game" medkit until further damage rip

i assume it doesnt do much except help with bugfixing in case someone reports an issue with an item and leaving a permanent stain on the savefile for permanent items

[forest valve]

do not touch it

[barren oar]

its pretty harmless as c2c custom mechanics go

unless it does something more in hard mode

[zealous needle]

||leviathan|| is vanilla, but amount of crabsquids is something new I suppose. There was only one in vanilla

[barren oar]

huhh

[barren oar]

oh no is this supposed to be repairable (||crag wreck with dragon industries pda||)

this is a save made on whatever the latest version is right now

bc i didnt update it ever since it was created

oldest file i can find with a cursory search inside of the save file

hm removed extraneous mods (map, deextinction, perfbooster) and nothing changed

oh looking it up here i see its a common issue even postfix

yeah ill just warpforward through it

[barren oar]

??? do reapers let the seamoth go earlier if you maniacally move the mouse/steering wheel, and/or flash the lights on and off, and is this a c2c thing if so?

a reaper in the crash zone let me go after 15 damage as opposed to 75 damage as is usual

i cant seem to find much about this online also im unsure on that 75 damage pivot because its the only other time a reaper caught my seamoth and it was in the dunes

[barren oar]

why does the ||medical fabricator in the dunes base|| function lol

[trail ether]

....what

what dunes base

[trail ether]

the lights yes

that is an Ecocean feature

[barren oar]

right misinput

i meant mountain

[barren oar]

huhh

[trail ether]

does it function or just spawn with a kit

[barren oar]

function

grabbed kit, came back after exploring the rest and it was at 62%

it was at 1% when i grabbed

[trail ether]

ok that is a bug

[barren oar]

lol yep figured

[trail ether]

think of it like how using cheats disables achievements

it is a similar system

[trail ether]

invalid here probably just means out of acceptable spawn spots

eg not in the right biome or the like

rather than invalid on some technical level

[trail ether]

I would rather fix the root cause

though I do not have nearly enough information to do that yet

[forest valve]

i see

[barren oar]

ah okay so nothing tangible should change

[gilded nova]

fck i hate collecting the purple fragments

[gilded nova]

how does easycraft work when there are alternate recipes for something

fiber for example

[silk pond]

i have a hypothesis as to why the ||large blood crawlers|| dont spawn

i have tested multiple times in creative and found that if you visit them they will spawn however if you go to the blood kelp trench before the northern zone they wont

[zealous needle]

by "blood kelp trench" you mean blood kelp zone on the south?

[silk pond]

yup

i dont understand why it happens though

[zealous needle]

Will check tomorrow too

My main base is in western grassy plateau and I was in this trench many times before ever visiting North blood kelp

So it seems legit

[silk pond]

i think i will download ur mod

[zealous needle]

I uploaded new version an hour ago and it now displays message in-game on running command
Along the way rechecked that it works

My game where I applied fix yesterday spawns everything correctly and when I tested old save backup, it did work too

So I'm sure it will help

[silk pond]

ok i will test it out

[trail ether]

those are separate crafting nodes

[silk pond]

the command is not working

nvm i fixed it

it works well

[gilded nova]

yeah but the mod does recursive crafting so for example if i wanna craft a medkit which of the subrecipes will it use

or will that lead to problems if i do it like that

[trail ether]

easycraft does not do recursive crafting

and any mod that does is likely going to pick the default recipes, since the way recipes and items are implemented there is no such thing as an alt recipe, only a recipe that has no "normal" output but yields the original item as a byproduct (but which is still registered as crafting some other item, even if you get zero of it)

[gilded nova]

im pretty sure it does. crafted the nanoloathing drones without making the motors in between for example

autocraft is the feature im talking about

here you were talking about that part a while ago actually

but yeah it seems like it probably wont be a good idea to use it for complex recipes

[unreal flame]

most likely it'll just use the "base" recipe for an item

because on a technical level, alternate recipes are recipes for a different dummy item that just gives the item it is an alternative for

[gilded nova]

does the scanner room work properly

i have it on max range and it only detets 3 fragments that cant be right i find a lot more if i look manually

oh thats probably the reason

[barren oar]

yeah vanilla stuff

[gilded nova]

so i ride around the biome once then activate the scanner and it should work i guess

[barren oar]

should work if you have the scanner activated from the beginning too

just gotta wander around is all

[gilded nova]

is that a vanilla feature or added by c2c

[barren oar]

what the fuck is this?

im unsure how i ended up with it, ||best guess is that it has to do with the mushroom tree particles, and there being a tonguelily under it specifically||, although im yet unsure how it ended up in my seamoth of all places (though it may be worth mentioning i do not have any storage inside the base itself)

oh it was in the || plankton scoop module || i think i can piece together what happened (EDIT: yep it sure is, question still remains for what the fuck is it used for)

although i then immediately died from the poison of an inconveniently spawned Underwater Cloud Of Doom so i didnt get much time to tset

ohh fuck the propulsion cannon <-> repulsion cannon recipe voids the battery and replaces it with a full battery, ||so you can accidentally void your azurite battery like this and have it replaced with a normal one||

maybe it should automatically take the battery out into the players inventory, and have the pro/repulsion cannon come with no battery instead

[gilded nova]

seamoth supplied for exploration

[jade osprey]

Doesn't seem to have enough materials for a scanner room 😔😔

[barren oar]

why are you using disinfected water :(

also cured food L

[gilded nova]

i have a few scanner rooms already in some places but yeah ur right

[gilded nova]

what r u using

[gilded nova]

regular food will go bad 😦

[barren oar]

filtered water the goat

set up an acu with bladderfish and youll never have water issues again

[gilded nova]

idk i collected salt and gaspods for like 5 minutes and i can make like 100 bottles of disinfected

[barren oar]

there is a third method of preparing fish if you didnt know already, and it has the benefits of salting and cooking at the same time, without any of the downsides of either (going bad or being way too expensive)

[gilded nova]

oh cool

nah didnt learn about it yet

[barren oar]

just gotta keep exploring then

[gilded nova]

yep

mountains next

not gonna befun

[barren oar]

its way too good although it doesnt support de extinction fishes be wary of that

use vanilla fishy only and ur golden

[gilded nova]

dont have that mod anyways

[barren oar]

gg

its fun rediscovering new creatures every once in a while with it

[gilded nova]

Im feeling the vanilla plus style of c2c a bit more