SeaToSea

[onyx sapphire]

did nothing

still a lot of objects

[unreal flame]

Yeah it doesn’t clear all of them for some reason

Hopefully it’ll be less of an issue if c2c ever updates to modern versions

[onyx sapphire]

is it normal for the liquid breathing recharger to use power when I'm not in my base

[unreal flame]

Yeah

[onyx sapphire]

its an absolute power hog

[upper dock]

Yeah that's intended

You need way way way way more power generation than in vanilla

Can't get by just covering a base in solar panels and building a single bioreactor

[onyx sapphire]

also why are the ||void spikes|| under the center of the map

well uh

idk how I get the fabric needed for the reinforced diving suit

oh nvm I think I might of foudn where it is

[unreal flame]

Technical reasons

[onyx sapphire]

I'd like a more in-depth explanation

[normal frigate]

you forgot the word please

[onyx sapphire]

please

[unreal flame]

Stuff can’t normally persist beyond 2km from 0,0,0

[trail ether]

and it gets actively deleted whike you are right next to it if you try

I have neither the tools nor knowledge to do so

[unreal flame]

Didn’t I help you get unity editor working and up to date a month or so ago?

[green bane]

(This question has probably been asked a million times, but I'm too lazy to scroll) will this mod be updated to 2.0? I'd love to use it in a pack there

[unreal flame]

Hopefully

[green bane]

ok

[wise hound]

I heard that changes are made to fcs when installed with c2c

What are these?

Are there even any?

[trail ether]

....no?

95% sure not ever, and definitely not in the last month or few

[trail ether]

this is correct

[unreal flame]

I feel like you at least installed a newer version of the unity editor

[trail ether]

that does not sound familiar either

[unreal flame]

I swear that happened at some point

Check what version of the editor you have installed

[trail ether]

none

so that answers that

[unreal flame]

???

[trail ether]

https://www.reddit.com/r/subnautica/comments/195gfmi/modded_legacy_c2c_fcs_compatibility/kk85c7d/

[wise hound]

does the replicator count as overly-gamebreaking?

[unreal flame]

Install the unity hub then, I guess

[unreal flame]

Yes

[wise hound]

understandable

[trail ether]

it complains i have no license

[unreal flame]

just use the free one

[onyx sapphire]

I was kinda expecting the reinforced dive suit to be.. well.. better at keeping the lava zone heat out?

if anything it feels like it's not even protecting against the extreme temperatures and I'm just getting the normal damage halved by its default function

oh.

ok yeah I see why its not doing much now.

[fiery fiber]

Ok so apologies in advance for asking this so commonly asked question but search reveals many conflicting answers. So first off ... people talk about socknautica and fcs as separate things aren't they one and the same? Next ... and I go off of wiki .... my research reveals thT socknautica is not compatible with c2c, also that socknautica has dependencies like custom craft that (from wiki) state will crack c2c. So they are compatible now? Doing c2c run now ... but would be fun to do a combined run after if they work together.

[barren oar]

socknautica and fcs are two separate projects

other than that, i don't believe there have been developments with regards to socknautica-c2c compatibility, although fcs does work, i believe

[fiery fiber]

Hmmm thx. I think I'll go check that out

[unreal flame]

Socknautica isn’t really worth the work that compatibility would take in the eyes of most modders

But there is compatibility put into FCS on c2c’s part

Customcraft is actually the mod that breaks when c2c is installed

[upper dock]

socknautica is like 75% a meme mod, I wouldn't expect any form of c2c compatibility with it

FCS does have full compatibility with C2C as far as I know, going as far as to rebalance a lot of stuff in FCS to fit better in C2C's pacing

[trail ether]

that is C2C's doing but yes

[upper dock]

oh, yeah I probably hsould have reversed the order there since it's on C2C's end

[fiery fiber]

cool ... I always thought they were together cuz .. i dunno ... anyways .. that's good to hear ... the FCS stuff is really fun. Some of the stuff they have could build really fun bases. After I finish this c2c run I'll try it with FCS see if it changes things up a bit. On another note ... anyone ever have problems with intermittent disconnect of power transmitters and then when you reset them you have to set them basically 20 yards from each other to connect?

Or is it possibly just a visual thing where the line disappears .. cuz that what I'm seeing ... it appears and disappears

[normal frigate]

Expect lower fps with the pair

[fiery fiber]

Ahhhh! Well even now I get crazy fps drops but it only happens in wrecks and decreases as I scan stuff. We'll see ... I'm too busy having fun with c2c. Just finally built a nuke reactor and of course now I can't use it cuz I can't make rods ... sulfuric answer. Btw ... props to Reiko for not straight up telling people clues. His last clue was perfect. Now back to the grind 😋

[unreal flame]

Wait, scanning any fragment will reduce lag in wrecks for you?

Even basegame ones?

[trail ether]

I mean reducing the number of objects would reduce lag, a tiny incremental amount

but it is very strange that the issue only starts with C2C

in wrecks I do not add a lot - or even anything - to

[unreal flame]

But if it’s noticeable, it’s substantial

In what ways do you interact with fragments/scanning/related systems?

[trail ether]

i have hooks in on scan

and a system to generate custom fragment prefabs

[upper dock]

I can also say that this didn't apply to my playthrough

that wreck outside the jellyshroom caves was a lag machine even when I cleaned out every single fragment

[unreal flame]

May be worth checking for leaks

[torpid creek]

MAKE

2.0

NOW

OR

ME

SAD

[normal frigate]

stop spamming and reika will make 2.0 when she wants too.

[unreal flame]

Womp womp

[past geyser]

Problem with a 2.0 more mods to check out to make sure you would want it to work with c2c

I'm guessing that's why it has a moreingots feature in it

[unreal flame]

I think it’s mostly a convenience thing, since c2c requires a lot of materials overall

[past geyser]

It does have a ton more add-ons to it the crafting felt longer

[unreal flame]

There are longer crafting chains, definitely

I don’t recall individual crafting cycles taking longer (I’m pretty sure titanium ingots craft faster, even)

[past geyser]

It was a collecting of all the other items that made it felt longer

[unreal flame]

Ah, definitely

[past geyser]

Like having to make the acid

But I do know that once you do the annoying crafts some other simpler crafts unlock

[trail ether]

short of some IO stuff leaks are not really a thing in C#

also the hook is pretty simple

and if there was a leak the issue wpuld get worse as you scanned stuff

[onyx sapphire]

how the fuck do I explore the lava zone... my seamoth dies very quickly within once I get about a 100 meters in, and the reinforced dive suit is not very effective

lava zone kinda spicy

I cant even take my cyclops down there because it requires kyanite

[onyx sapphire]

well ||there are pockets near the roof where the temperature is lower, but they are at the very top of the corridor||

[trail ether]

most of it is not 320C

try going places that do not have literal lava meters away

[fiery fiber]

It is kinda noticeable, but doesn't completely remove lag. Definitely helps. Haven't totally confirmed this but I noticed happens alot in wrecks that have what's it called the nano repair fragments? But that's not totally confirmed

[onyx sapphire]

in retrospect you are making me feel like an idiot

how exactly do you check what areas are near lava?

[trail ether]

with some difficulty

significant implementation headaches in 2022

[onyx sapphire]

I had a thought that occured to me

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/B2HU2bc.png https://i.imgur.com/nH9DMzM.png

[onyx sapphire]

dang

also it occurred to me about if the water down here would boil if it was not under pressure

so I just decided to do a scuffed calculation of the water pressure in the inactive lava zone (ignoring the rock above which would make the calculation much more of a headache)

inactive lava zone range is from 900 - 1300 meters.. so the water pressure at the top is ~90 atm, and the water pressure at the bottom is ~129.6 atm

so uh

the boiling point of water at 129.6 atm is ~320 degrees celcius

we may have a problem.

[unreal flame]

A couple points: The seamoth’s temperature isn’t accurate to ambient outdoor temperature in sea to sea, it’s more of a combination of external temperature and sub temperature

Furthermore, the rock encompassing the lava zone may be contributing to a higher than normal ambient pressure (?)

Also, saltwater has a higher boiling point than fresh water

[loud python]

Plus the gravity of the planet and the atmospheric composition may be different, resutliing in a different pressure at that depth

[unreal flame]

To my understanding, 4546b is smaller than earth but also more dense due to higher metal content

[onyx sapphire]

of course those factors make calculation more complicated soo

[sinful wagon]

Well, I found a not problem: crabsquid getting caught in blood kelp

[fiery fiber]

1.21 jigowatts is my only answer to water pressure and temperature 😋

[fiery fiber]

I saw a crab squid kitty pride phase into rock at sea treader's with the top of his head just popping out of the rock. I got cocky and tried to scan it and somehow it still was able to kill me .... sigh. But I've died so much now its no big thing. Yeesh! I'm dying almost as much with c2c as I did with darkness falls mod in 7dtd 😋. Freaking bacteria samples and volcanic samples ... blech!

[sinful wagon]

I just went full safety nerd and made pipe systems into those caves

I'd regret that if I were even okay at navigating caves, but hoo boy

[fiery fiber]

Dang! Good idea. But that's a crap load of pipes!

[sinful wagon]

How do I activate the seamoth tether?

[trail ether]

select it

[sinful wagon]

|| https://prnt.sc/XBO0NXOJYH4A || It's equipped, it's selected, I can't seem to use it with a click or with f. What am I missing?

[trail ether]

why would it grab a gravtrap

[sinful wagon]

it's an item collector

is it not big enough to grab?

[trail ether]

the tether does not grab just anything

[unreal flame]

Grabbing a grav trap would be funny but it’s probably good that it can’t

Just explain it away as the tether being unable to grab it due to both of them using the same technology

Sort of like trying to use the north end of a magnet on the north end of another magnet

[normal frigate]

unrelated because usually reika never messages in any other channel but :)

[unreal flame]

Oh nice

@trail ether take a look at this

[trail ether]

that looks like reddit

I want a link

[normal frigate]

alright

https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/s/ttg0poPdW4

[mighty grail]

I cant for the life of me find the way to make azurite batteries... Any ideas guys? I really don't wanna visit the wiki and from what I heard some information is plain wrong on there
Plus this being a hardcore run makes exploring much much harder (I have made 15 scanner rooms so far)

[unreal flame]

beams of sunlight will lead you to what you seek

[mighty grail]

Brother Ive set up three bases with scanner rooms near the sunbeam crash

Nothing

I suppose ill read the entirety of the PDA once again

[mighty grail]

Funny how this mod has become harder than deathrun hardcore with all of these detours one has to make

[sour aurora]

Hey there guys, checking in after a while away, is this mod updated to work with the current version of Subnautica now? or still working on the version from before the big update?

[unreal flame]

a scanner room won't help with the battery. follow the breadcrumbs

[mighty grail]

The breadcrumbs (whatever that means) weren't very helpful...
But I did find it thankfully

[unreal flame]

"breadcrumbs" meaning "trail of things to follow"

||there should've been a couple light sticks and fixtures to follow||

[trail ether]

it actually will

[unreal flame]

it can? interesting

[mighty grail]

Hm yeah fair I suppose those did help a little

Loving the mod so far btw

Big ups reika

[onyx sapphire]

UH

WHERES THE WATER

guess I'm relaunching the game

relaunching the game did not bring back the water

what the fuck happened

had to press f3 and uncheck 'water volume' and 'water surface'

[onyx sapphire]

...how long does the ||kharaa treatment|| last

[trail ether]

I noticed this issue too, triggered by a small (room-sized) area right around that spot, near the back side of the gun's entrance tunnel - get out of theseamoth and run warpforward 1 to fix it

it is probably some kind of trigger for derendering the water inside the gun "leaking" outside

[onyx sapphire]

I have two questions related to the lost river power drain

1. What's the reasoning behind Ion Power Cells not being affected by the drain?

2. Is it intentional that the lost river power drain doesn't apply in these two caves?

[onyx sapphire]

what the fuck happened to my cyclops

its completely bugged now?

I mean it still works but like

its in a limbo state

it was at full health when I left it like 15 minutes ago, and I come back and its like this

I'm just gonna move the stuff store in it over to my prawn suit just in case

hope my cyclops doesnt randomly fucking explode in this limbo state

[past geyser]

Lights just off

[onyx sapphire]

did you even watch the clip?

its a little more than the lights being off

its visually as if its about to explode but it still somewhat functions as normal

oh and those buttons on the hud are functional?

despite me not having the module

...the health on the bridge says full

what if I like, ram it into something

oh no nothing I do damages my cyclops

what the fuck happened

I'm gonna figure out a way to destroy this one and then spawn in a new one

not abusing an indestructible cyclops

welp

time to spawn in a new (hopefully not bugged) one

unless I like

restorecyclops restored it and it was still buggy so I destroyed it again

[trail ether]

so you can avoid it in the very endgame

in particular with the cyclops

[trail ether]

no - run biomeAt while in those places

what does it say

[onyx sapphire]

uh I'll do that a bit later and tell you

[reef willow]

I'm having massive lag in my base and around it, I even stopped playing because of it and came back now, and I discovered that the cause is probably my GPU usage dropping to 5% or less, and my CPU dropping to 20% or less (usually it stays at around 50%) does anyone have any idea on how to fix it? I have a RTX 2060 super and a ryzen 5 3600

[unreal flame]

How interesting

Do you have a second monitor? I’d suggest displaying your PC’s individual processor usage on it while you play

(Open task manager, click more details if you need to, go to performance, then CPU, then right click the graph and select “change graph to” > “logical processors”)

If you like, you can check the same for GPU performance, though it won’t display gpu cores or anything like that

If a single CPU core is being maxed out and the others are sitting idle, that’d explain it maxing out at 20% usage

Try to also verify that your game isn’t using integrated graphics when running (in particular you might want to check what your primary monitor is plugged into on the back of your PC)

Other than that, make sure you’ve updated your system drivers

[onyx sapphire]

so the final prawn suit depth upgrade requires ||smart polymer||... considering I haven't found a recipe for that in the thermal plant I'm gonna assume that's something I unlock in the PCF...

Do I just have to take the cyclops down there and wing it to the PCF?

[onyx sapphire]

Also I feel like power leakage should occur in the brine regardless of what power cell type you use to encourage staying out the brine and maybe encourgaing ||equipping a propulsion cannon arm on the prawn suit to lift the sulphur deposits out of the brine pits||

[unreal flame]

Hm, interesting proposal

[mighty grail]

Just out of curiosity, does the mod change the location of leviathans/their roaming ai?
I've played this game a lot and I've found reapers in places they usually aren't at

[trail ether]

not for most of them

but ecocean adds three reapers

[unreal flame]

And a ghost

[trail ether]

yes, but that is C2C

[normal frigate]

how does reika not have senior modder role

[past geyser]

legacy mod smlhelper shun the legacy modders jk

[normal frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/true-words-were-never-spoken-agree-true-yellowstone-paramount-network-gif-17661008

jk

[trail ether]

you asked this before

the reasoning behind senior modder isnt just about coding prowess, it’s also to some degree about assisting other modders where you’re able is what was said by someone else

[normal frigate]

I did? Sorry i have a bad memory

[normal frigate]

ah

hows your day going reika?

[onyx sapphire]

oh where are they

[trail ether]

correction, two, both in the dunes

[onyx sapphire]

it did feel like there were more reapers than normal over there, guess that explains why

is there a reason for adding them there?

something like the ||azurite|| over there?

||also the kharaa treatment lasts really long for how easy it is to make, I made one at day 97 and I had to use another one at about day 126||

[trail ether]

there were some POIs that did not have a reaper nearby

now there are not

[trail ether]

it used to only last 30 minutes of play period

now it lasts 30 minute4s of consumption

people really complained about the former

and it is mostly there to force you to unlock it, rarther than be an ongoing cost

[civic grove]

Not playing currently due to general fps issues, but I just wanted to point out I had the same thing: large stutters with GPU usage dropping to (near?) 0%, while cpu usage was mostly unaffected (had the stats up on second monitor as N8crafter suggested). If I remember correctly, the wreck-/c2c-base-stutters followed this pattern too.
Using a Nvidia Geforce GTX 1050 TI.

[gilded nova]

well this mod was never well optimized i get huge drops near the custom wrecks with a 4090

[civic grove]

Yeah, its a known issue.

[onyx sapphire]

Am I missing something?

[gilded wyvern]

was exploring this theme, run command called farplane 1000

[gilded wyvern]

yes you do, wanna have a hint? the hint is ||The Void||

[onyx sapphire]

||I already visited the Void Spikes though...||

[gilded wyvern]

uh then ||go under 1000 meters, and you will die to unknown thingy||

[gilded wyvern]

||void spikes?|| didnt ever heard of it. is kind of a new update?

[onyx sapphire]

biome added by this mod

of course you are required to visit it for progression

[gilded wyvern]

screenshot please

or coordinates

[onyx sapphire]

you are given coords to it at a certain point in the game

here's a photo

[gilded wyvern]

oh i see, is just ||floating islands||...

[gilded wyvern]

spoiler it

[gilded wyvern]

does sea to sea avaible on 2.0

[onyx sapphire]

no its a legacy mod

and the photo is spoilered

[gilded wyvern]

oh

[onyx sapphire]

why are you in this thread if you haven't played the mod?

[gilded wyvern]

i played long ago

forgot lots of things

[onyx sapphire]

ah ok

[gilded wyvern]

if i was annoying, sorry

[onyx sapphire]

nah its fine

anyway

I'm doing my first playthrough, which I started back in.. the middle of april

currently gathering stuff for hatching enzymes lol

[gilded wyvern]

i had pirated subnautica first, but then buyed original

pro

[onyx sapphire]

playtime is about to hit 100 hours

I can complete the game in under 15

[gilded wyvern]

do you like void theme

[onyx sapphire]

maybe 10 if I'm really trying

[onyx sapphire]

the void is quite cool

[gilded wyvern]

try void tweaks then

i will try rn too

avaible only on 2.0

[onyx sapphire]

nah I'm going with the intended sea to sea experience

which is on legacy

[green bane]

Hey @trail ether (sorry for the ping) if someone were to manage to port S2C (and its dependencies) to 2.0, would you be willing to accept that as a PR?

[normal frigate]

i highly doubt someone would port c2c due to its size, only exception being reika

[trail ether]

you will need to clarify:

• if someone were to supply ported code for me to use, yes I would be willing, provided it is feature-equivalent (ie not "ported" by simply removing everything that broke, or adding "your own choices" on features or balancing) and that they release the code with no expectations of eg creative control or right to revoke use at some future date
• if someone wanted to make an independent ported branch (not as in git branch but as in a literal independently maintained project) of the mods I would not accept that

basically "help me port" is 100% fine provided it is an actual honest effort and does not come with strings attached; "can I port your mods and then own/control the port" is not

[past geyser]

Well if I remember from what purple saw of the source code you were using your own coding program which was pretty outdated and it was missing stuff that purple could use to assist with helping with ports. Has the programming program changed since the last time

[trail ether]

the IDE has not changed

I do have VS installed now but it cannot even do an SN workspace anyway

it just cannot "understand" it or the dependencies

[past geyser]

Alright 👍 I can try and look at getting the dependency updated and maybe switch to nugets also would just check out the source code to see how complicated some of it is.

[loud python]

Ohhh, some hope for C2C 2.0 !?

[normal frigate]

how do i find rare element?

I was having trouble finding it cause of wreck lag

[loud python]

Rare elements? ||You make them from coral iirc.||

[radiant oar]

Hey, this mod is for 2.0 ?

[normal frigate]

it is legacy only for now

[radiant oar]

ok

[trail ether]

...did you not read the discussion literally three messages up

[fiery fiber]

Well we're doing good ... it hasn't been asked in over 24 hours now 🥳

[wise hound]

Hooray

[fiery fiber]

If I deconstruct my thermals sending energy when I finish nuke reactor. Think that'll help alleviate base lag? Otherwise I just keep doing that trick of save outside base, log out and log back in

[twilit lily]

Any tips on getting better performance with C2C? I have a decently modern rig. In my base I get around 30-40 FPS and stuttering, the fps and stuttering get worse the longer I play.

[upper dock]

unavoidable unfortunately

you have to just leave and go to other areas and it should alleviate

[normal frigate]

What other mods do you use?

Wreck lag will always happen

[twilit lily]

What the? What happened to our entire discussion KooKoo?

[normal frigate]

still happening :P

[civic grove]

Not saving inside your base might help to a degree (literally: Go outside before you save), but generally performance can be poor.

[unreal flame]

I still have my suspicions about why this issue happens but I’m not sure if the suspicion has been addressed

[trail ether]

remind me

[unreal flame]

magnetism config option

[trail ether]

indeed the person never did the thing we said to try

but it does not make sense as a mechanism anyway

like why would that only come into play when you load the save inside a base

[unreal flame]

not sure

but from personal experience the magnetism entails a sizeable amount of general overhead, so making it toggleable isn't a bad idea as a performance fix anyway

[trail ether]

i fixed that overhead

[unreal flame]

huh, okay

[upper dock]

I really hope the soruce of the performance issues in or near wrecks/base can be figured out some day. it's like literally the only thing holding the mod back IMO (2.0 would be nice for a lot of general game improvements, but eh)

[icy relic]

Where is the thermoblade 😭

[past geyser]

what i dislike about the project file you have no csproj file

but i guess one could be made from making the same project with the same name and just import all the files needed

[past geyser]

ok i have all the stuff in a project with the rest with their own projects of the same name converting your utils will make the other things easier nautilus has no preloader at least i don't know i would have to check with the devs

[trail ether]

it is above the root folder of the repo

[trail ether]

there are also custom build actions but those are involved in my autopackaging and release

you do not need them

[trail ether]

I do not follow

[past geyser]

For me it keeps things organized and able to load up in virtual studio

I wasn't able to load everything together without it so now seatosea is the base that loads the rest for me and uses the nugets for the main references

[twilit lily]

I have an issue with some base item's orientation not being correct when bulding, like the ACU info panel and I believe the seabase battery bank. I can't even find a place to build it because of that. I can build an ACU info panel but its perpendicular through the ACU tank

[trail ether]

try a different position on the ACU

I usually build it on the diagonals

and the battery can only go in rooms

not tunnels

[twilit lily]

For the battery, I'm trying to build it in an empty multipurpose room and it's always red

[trail ether]

I built three in my last playthrough

[twilit lily]

It seems like the orientation is bugged or something, is it supposed to go on a wall? I can only get it to go in the middle of the floor, when pointing at a very specific point. Could snap builder be affecting this?

Also thank you for your hard work on this mod. It's everything I wanted from SN

[trail ether]

yes it goes on the wall

it does not have snapping

[twilit lily]

Ill try removing snap builder. Any wall I try to put it on, it never lines up, always goes through the wall

[normal frigate]

having this issue now

issue happens when this happens

[Info : Unity Log] PerformGarbageAndAssetCollection, Time.time=5227.997, Time.frameCount=593858, DateTime.Now=06/08/2024 22:27:46 [Info : Unity Log] L0: PerformGarbageCollection -> GC.Collect total ms: 104.4446 self ms: 104.4446

audio still plays but subnautica is not responding

[trail ether]

it will protrude through the wall yes

this is why it can only be placed in rooms

that way it will not clip to outside

[normal frigate]

im aware this is garbage collection but it freezes up my game

[twilit lily]

Could someone explain the ACU features? Why should I make it so I have no ecosystem alerts? Like no carnivores, biome not shared by all contained species, etc.

[twilit lily]

I removed snap builder and I don't have an issue anymore. Figured out I can also middle click not snap it

[trail ether]

you get production bonuses for a healthy ecosystem

and a sufficiently unhealthy one will kill your fish

it has to be pretty bad for that though

[twilit lily]

Ah okay, so fish will breed quicker?

[trail ether]

and produce other things

[twilit lily]

Oh....other things I see

Does the biome type matter?

Im currently overflowing with oculus in a jellyshroom biome

[proper void]

What does this mod do and can I added to a prexsiting world?

And where do I download it

[upper dock]

it's a total game progression revamp focused on (somewhat) increased difficulty and requiring you to explore ~80% of the map instead of the vanilla ~40%

you cannot add it to an existing save

you can read more on it here (unmarked vanilla spoilers within) https://reikakalseki.github.io/subnautica/mods/seatosea.html

[proper void]

thx

[normal frigate]

and you also have to have the legacy version of subnautica which you can only use on steam

[proper void]

Learned that the hard way

[proper void]

Do you know of any mods that are simalar

[past geyser]

so this is how i redid the structure of the Source code so its can be worked on with Visual Studio or whichever IDE that can also use the files

so the SeaToSea.csproj opens all the files and also all the projects uses nugets so no need to referance any dlls unless you have special ones

i have now linked the Required Source code as a reference in the projects that need them not sure i'm missing anything still need to go through and check for missing references

[onyx sapphire]

||a seabase in a cave, its near a MAJOR story location||

[trail ether]

that looks similar to what I have

https://i.imgur.com/xQ3QLQn.png

[past geyser]

well you have an SLN file thats not with the source code XD

[trail ether]

indeed, because it is above the repo level

[past geyser]

XD

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/2t6gCQV.png

[past geyser]

well good know that you have one

it seems most of the work would done on base systems.... like items and stuff to convert to natuilus

[twilit lily]

Dear god, How the hell do you deal with the bone sharks in the glass forest?

Perimeter defence system doesnt do jack

Im about to breed a bunch of gasopods and let them loose down there or something

[normal frigate]

Hows the fps there?

[twilit lily]

Its okay, nothing bad

[green bane]

ok so DIAlterra port is WIP

still got 128 errors as reported by rider

but i'm getting through them!

then it's on to runtime bug fixes

[normal frigate]

Its a start, good luck and good job so far

[green bane]

thanks

[green bane]

hey @trail ether what did the csproj files look like? I want to make sure I'm copying assets correctly (I just need the DIAlterra one - I can figure it out from there)

[trail ether]

do not do things that attract them

in particular...read their databank page

[trail ether]

are you working with cookay or are two people independently working on ports

[green bane]

i didnt know cookay was doing that lol

[trail ether]

assets have no relationship to csproj files...

[green bane]

copying to bin folder is what i meant

[trail ether]

that is done with a java CLI program I wrote

[green bane]

oh

i see

ok

i might just settle for an idea task then

[trail ether]

^

[green bane]

ok

for now ig im just gonna copy the dll manually

ok time to see if subnautica instantly crashes

🤞

oh wait i need to switch back to the main branch

ok

🤞

temporarily disabling the hash check

e

but hey a ton of stuff registered properly!

i think the error might have been that i had forgotten to change QMods to plugins in the mod assembly finder

nvm that wasnt all of it

[trail ether]

what the hell is that extra Api

[icy relic]

I swear i cant find it

If its where i think it is then its covered by 60 reapers

[fiery fiber]

Geez! I can't understand anything they are talking about but it sounds like progress ... very exciting! 😋

[shrewd gate]

I like how every time I come back to this mod, it just gets cooler and cooler.

[raven mirage]

is there a fix for structures not spawning?
cos its happened on most saves ive done

on the most recent save the mountain cave base disappeared after reloading a save

last one the recirculation mask wreck didnt spawn

[normal frigate]

like saving and quitting and fully closing subnautica?

[raven mirage]

yeah, i didnt reload the save instantly

always from a full restart

[onyx sapphire]

||yeah its in the mountain cave||

[trail ether]

noone else has reported this

and they use the standard SML spawning system

that suggests you either are deleting files from your save, have some kind of dumb "cleanup" mod, or have something wrong with your install

[icy relic]

I've been there, at that ||seabase inside a cave, has its glass corridor broken|| and didnt find it

[trail ether]

be more observant

[raven mirage]

its a clean install and i havent done anything to my save
i didnt think any mods i have mess with it

maybe autosave for some weird reason

i dont have anything in this set that edits the world other than c2c afaik

[normal frigate]

i would use normal saves

[raven mirage]

• terrain patcher ofc

[normal frigate]

Terrain patcher shouldnt effect the spawning of structures

it helps with the biomes

[raven mirage]

they're more consistent, ive lost progress cos of forgetting before and crashing

oh wait, maybe building tweaks being weird

[trail ether]

it is not building tweaks

I use that too

[raven mirage]

the list of stuff i use with it, scuffed but it works

[trail ether]

your scanner room mod is redundant with exscansion but that is unrelated to this issue

there are no obvious sources of issues in the list but maybe autosaved saves are not complete somehow

[unreal flame]

iirc there isn’t a functional autosave mod

All such mods are older and only used to work

[icy relic]

Are you kidding me, where am i supposed to check, under the map?

Where could you possibly hide it

[raven mirage]

o i didnt know that, cool
ill delete it then, frees ram

[green bane]

I moved things around to make things easier for me to work with, sorry if it messes something up, I think I have all the refs fixed

Yknow I should prob like push the code to github or something o.o

[green bane]

Ok it still doesn't work properly yet but it's on github now

https://github.com/RedstoneWizard08/DragonIndustries_AlterraDivision

I'll make a PR when I'm done

[icy relic]

...is it on ||land or underwater??||

[onyx sapphire]

||underwater||

[icy relic]

Oh well havent found it

[icy relic]

Are we talking about the same location?

[fiery fiber]

Dood! Ngl is been hard not to look at the spoilers 😋 but in being good

[untold kiln]

I'm trying to use the Rock Crusher like Reika's wiki shows, but none of the resource chunks I'm trying to feed it are getting crushed?

[fiery fiber]

I'm prolly wrong but isn't it only supposed to work in the crater?

[raven mirage]

iirc it needs power?
you gotta feed stuff into it with the prop cannon in my experience

cos its the only way to get a certain resource

[unreal flame]

It’s a base-powered object, yes

[unreal flame]

“The crater” meaning what?

The playable area of the game, or the impact crater in the dunes?

[untold kiln]

I thought it might've been base-powered, but there's no tooltip or info blurb anywhere saying it needs power

Thanks tho

[unreal flame]

Is there a buildable that performs a function which doesn’t though?

Aside from maybe the decoratives with extra, minimal features (coffee maker, vending machine, trash can)

[fiery fiber]

Ahhh nvm. I was wrong like I thought. And o was meaning crater in dunes .... I dunno something is tickling my memory about something only working there

[shrewd gate]

How does the Item Collector work?

[trail ether]

like a gravtrap that can also insert its collected items into nearby storage

[shrewd gate]

Like waterproof lockers?

[past geyser]

Nice

[trail ether]

yes

or base pieces

which is the main thing it was intended for

that and the cyclops lockers

it autolinks to a cyclops and can be towed

oh wait that isa buildable https://i.imgur.com/43sGJB7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tSPjHSG.jpg

[trail ether]

also I am toying with another idea to help

https://i.imgur.com/3VXWk9A.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/FV1uedS.png

[shrewd gate]

I see... I see...

[normal frigate]

good idea!!

[fiery fiber]

OMG THAT would be sooo cool! Would it work on seamoth too? Or maybe needs a mod that enables seamoth to adjust coloring to match surrounding plants in limited circumstances 😛

[trail ether]

it would probably not apply to the seamoth

[fiery fiber]

Awww well one could only hope 😋

[fiery fiber]

Dood! I totally forgot about that. I tried to use it by hand to collect azurite thinking it would make it safe for me and I still got zapped and I was all stupid thing! Lol NOW it makes sense. Gotta run about cyclops but still working finding liquid tank thingy

[icy relic]

Oh wow, the ||geyser particulate filter|| is causing so much lag. From 80FPS i went down to max 30

[gilded nova]

all my homies hate alkali vines

got one

[normal frigate]

???

[unreal flame]

Alkali vines are a fun one

[shrewd gate]

Yeah. I noticed that as well. Luckily you can just start the deconstructing process and leave it at 99% and get your frames back.

[normal frigate]

what does it even do?

[shrewd gate]

You build them in volcanic geysers and they will generate Volcanic Traces. An item used in Plasteel Ingots.

[normal frigate]

ah

i should play c2c later if i dont freeze

[trail ether]

is that STILL a thing

[normal frigate]

i guess 🤷‍♂️

[icy relic]

Unless you released an update today yes

[normal frigate]

reika i have a question

C2C tries to find an object of name light_parent every frame on all non-cyclops sub roots

is there a specific reason why it does this?

[trail ether]

I did stuff to fix it in december

[trail ether]

already fixed

[icy relic]

Didn't get fixed it seems

[normal frigate]

when was this?

i played last week and was getting thousands of messages about the sea voyager

[trail ether]

fixed != released

[normal frigate]

i have the latest version and still get this

v101

[trail ether]

^

[modern ibex]

Are any of these mods known to be incompatible or unrecommended?
'BetterScannerBlips'
'CreatureFleeFix'
'DockedVehicleStorageAccessSML'
'FastLoadingScreen'
'GeysersPerformanceFix'
'LongLockerNames'
'MoreScannerRoomBlips'
'PrawnsuitLightswitch'
'Rm_VehicleLoadFix'
'SignColorFix'
'WhiteLights'
'SeaglideMapControls'
'AgonyRadialCraftingTabs'
'MusicFadingOut'
'MoonpoolVehicleRepair'
'HabitatControlPanelSML'
'fix_thermo'
'DoorCutSoundFix'
'CustomBeacons'
'BlueprintTracker'
'AnisotropicFix'
'AttitudeIndicator'
'FreeLook'
'QuickSlotsPlus'
'SeamothEject'
'GroundedItems'
'CyclopsDockingMod'

[normal frigate]

if you launch the game it will check (if you have the complete set of reikas mods)

[trail ether]

those look fine

and I use about half

[smoky storm]

hey, I would like to start translating mods into Russian

[modern ibex]

Yeah and I'd like to translate to polish when I beat this mod. I'm not even sure if you can translate subnautica mods

[past geyser]

well you can modders would need to add the language

[wind mantle]

Are these planned to push c2c and your other mods to 2.0 ?

[normal frigate]

at one point yes

not any time soon tho

[past geyser]

i know someone was trying to help with that

[normal frigate]

yea

[past geyser]

redstone wasn't it

[normal frigate]

.

this person

[normal frigate]

and you (with the tools)

[past geyser]

well once i saw redstone messing with it

i just stepped back

[shrewd gate]

Holy hell. The Repulsion Cannon works very effective with the Rock Crusher.

[unreal flame]

repulsion cannon, huh? i suppose so

[modern ibex]

Does this mod make any changes to the seaglide, apart from the recipe?

[trail ether]

I wrote things to be localizable

all major strings are fetched from an XML but there might not curr3ntly be a selection mechanism

[trail ether]

some why

i change its speed code

faster in some contexts and slower in others

[trail ether]

i might have another patch too but forget

[modern ibex]

Something broke the seaglide map controls mod for me and i'm wondering if it might be your changes. It's not a high priority issue

[trail ether]

i did not touch its map

[modern ibex]

Specifically switching on its flashlight broke

[trail ether]

i touch seamoth light

i do not remember touching seagl8de light

or it not working when I played in devember

[modern ibex]

Something in the dragon industries alterra division breaks the compat. It used to work.

[forest valve]

hello, came here to ask where i could find the ||"Kharaa Symptom Alleviation Canister"||, since some things on the wiki seem to be outdated, ||like the breathing fluid works at 30% efficiency unless you use the canister (temporarily of course) but in the wiki it says 50%||

my best guess would've been the ||offsite laboratory|| but i did not go there, and i currently can't since for some reason legacy just stopped working for me

i did make the ||enzyme 42 traces|| beforehand, but it was before i got the ||liquid breathing system||

so is that maybe some sort of softlock becuase i created them long before i got the ||breathing system?||

it also said something about a ||medical suite on the aurora||, but im not sure if it'd be in the ||laboratory from aurora||, since the ||aliens probably knew alot more about the bacteria than the aurora||

[mint notch]

Hello divers!
I have an issue with a blueprint required for the mobile vehicule bay (||nanolathing drones||) and have been searching the internet for some info for the past two hours now so I'm now asking here...

I was going to Lifepod 3 when || I got the pda voice message for the nanolathing drone fragments|| in a nearby cave system in the kelp forest next to a thermal vent. According to the wiki, ||"these fragments are sprinkled about the cave, and are obvious due to their electrical flashing"|| , but I can't find any.
I have checked with exact coordinates and player descriptions online and I'm 99% sure to be in the right cave (|| tons of drooping stingers and crashfish||) but it seems that the fragments aren't there. Could this be an error with how I installed the mods ? A compatibility issue (I'm also running the FCS mods and few other QoL mods)? Or have I just missed it somehow?

My coordinates:|| -45, -95, 245||.

This is the first time I mod the game so I might have done some mistakes I guess...
I can't wait to freshly explore Subnautica again with these mods, seems like a lot of fun ahead :)
Thanks for the help and have a great day!

[forest valve]

hmm

do you have the map mod installed?

||it's the kelp forest nearest to the one lifepod 3 was in||

try making a new save and go to the same coordinates

just to test if they even spawn

if you still can't find them, just cheat it in

[mint notch]

I don't. Does it cause issues? Cause I was thinking about getting it haha
And for cheating them in, I was semi-ok with that, I just wonder if I'll have the same issue for other fragments or anything. It could break the immersion and how I experience the mod imo...

[forest valve]

no it doesnt cause issues

it just shows you the borders between biomes in a way

to easily discern the biomes

[forest valve]

im not sure about the other fragments not working part, that's gonna need you to well, find more fragments

[unreal flame]

That does sound like the right spot

FCS shouldn’t have any incompatibilities

I’m pretty sure the blueprint fragments you’re looking for were manually placed, too

So should be fairly robust in terms of spawning

Did you happen to install c2c after starting the save? Just to be certain

[normal frigate]

Its by a ||geyser, after going down it leads to a small cave that has the fragments||

[forest valve]

this is the reason i asked them to make another world

[unreal flame]

If it does happen to be the case my suggestion would have been to just start over, since they’re so early anyway

[forest valve]

i'm not sure if the way of obtaining the ||canister|| was changed in any way, since the wiki says you ||get it by making/discovering the enzyme 42 traces||

but it does have some information that seems to have been changed in the mod

i'd understand if it takes a bit for someone to answer since it took me like 36 hours of playtime to get to this point

[mint notch]

Well I just created a new world and warped there as you recommended @forest valve and here it is haha

[forest valve]

@unreal flame well i think that might explain it (sorry for the ping)

yeahh unfortunately you might have to redo your playthrough in that case

should be fine, just about like 2-3 hours iirc

[mint notch]

I'm pretty sure I created the save after installing all the mods tho :/ But I did add a few other ones (unrelated to C2C) after creating the save file so idk.

[forest valve]

some mods have weird interactions with the game

[unreal flame]

I wouldn’t trust that save tbh

[forest valve]

even if they dont add anything crazy or change the physics

[unreal flame]

Also, be sure you’re not quitting to main menu and reloading saves without restarting your game

[forest valve]

yeah there's probably a chance that other scannables might not have spawned

[mint notch]

Oh it's fine, I only had 2 hours in :) And I love Subnautica way to much to complain haha (+ I'm super hyped to play C2C)

[forest valve]

it sticks a warning about that in like the middle of your screen

telling you to exit since things break

[mint notch]

Oh ok, why is that?

[forest valve]

i can confirm that things might break

[unreal flame]

Causes problems on at least legacy SN for mods

Definitely not as bad as my playthrough of c2c, wherein my save was forcibly reverted to a version from a week or so prior due to steam cloud saving being broken

Btw disable steam cloud when you’re modding

[forest valve]

oof, that must've sucked

[forest valve]

huh?, why?

[unreal flame]

Yeah, I ended up having to redo like 24 hours of content

[unreal flame]

See my anecdote about losing save data

[forest valve]

ah

[unreal flame]

It just wasn’t saving my save to the cloud after a certain point

[mint notch]

Damn, I'll disable it then 💀 I have the autosave mod enabled btw. Is that an issue?

[unreal flame]

No, that should be fine

Though I’m not sure if it’s fully functional

[forest valve]

would you know anything about changes to the way of obtaining the ||kharaa symptom alleviation canister|| btw?

legacy seems to have broken for me recently so i cant get into my save file to know where it is, but i wont be surprised if it changed since some info on the wiki is also different

[mint notch]

It seems to basically create a new save file each time it autosaves. You're scaring me with the save issues haha so I prefer asking beforehand

[forest valve]

yeah its a good idea to have a mod that autosaves, incase of power outage or something too

if u have any questions later in the game, i may be able to answer them, just anything before the lost river

(about the mod i mean)

incase other people arent there

[mint notch]

Okay, thank you so much!

[forest valve]

welcome

[mint notch]

Thank you @forest valve and @unreal flame, you really helped! It's awesome to have such a modding community here :] I'll be sure to help if another player encounters the same issue haha

[unreal flame]

If it functions, it’s using the game’s save system and then moving the saved data elsewhere, so should be fine. Might not move everything that sea to sea saves but you should be mostly okay

[trail ether]

are you on hard difficulty

not hardcore gamemode but literal C2C hard mode config

[trail ether]

I would ask if C2C is even installed but your getting the PDA message indicates it is

someone else once reported spawned stuff not appearing but I do not use anytyhing special to spawn such things, so you might have another mod - or an installation issue - interfering

[trail ether]

there are other required conditions for the unlock

also @forest valve and @mint notch do not simply follow the wiki to progress

[forest valve]

nope

[forest valve]

what are they if i may ask?

[trail ether]

bioproc is one if I remember correctly

[trail ether]

then maybe I just nerfed it

[forest valve]

i got to the lost river, and got everything in the destroyed facility

[forest valve]

i feel like getting the liquid system would probably say "i have the bioproc"

since benzene needs it

[trail ether]

true

[forest valve]

well, what other requirements are there?

i got the system, the traces, the bioprocessor, what else is there?

i have the red plants, the nanoweaving bandages

aerogel too

[forest valve]

i mean the gel sack

[modern ibex]

Why is debrisrecycling incompatible? Does it mess with the worldgen?

[unreal flame]

Probably allows deconstruction of objects used to block entrances and so forth

Or does debris recycling do something else

[modern ibex]

Yeah that's about right

[unreal flame]

Yeah it’s probably what I said then

[normal frigate]

gives resources

titanium pretty sure

[unreal flame]

Not what I meant

[normal frigate]

ah sorry

[unreal flame]

Like, if it were one of those mods where deconstructing scrap gave randomized materials

[normal frigate]

Objects that you can deconstruct include big and small cargo crates, metal lockers, some furniture and some debris of the Aurora. and theres a config for it

to give you even more titanium

destroying objects can also cause bugs

[trail ether]

I do not have it all memorized but those are the big two

but it sounds like you did not find the actual recipe unlock trigger

[forest valve]

fair

i went into the destroyed research facility

[trail ether]

it is not an "automatic" unlock

[forest valve]

oh ok

[forest valve]

and got everything there

[trail ether]

it is not unlocked there

[forest valve]

is it the offsite laboratory?

i remember one of the lifepods being a medical suite (added in by seatosea) and theres also a lab in the aurora

as far as i remember those 3 could be it (im just guessing)

[trail ether]

I have no idea what you are talking about with this

the medical lifepod

[forest valve]

im saying could those maybe be a trigger?

[forest valve]

it might have been a medical one, i dont remember too well

[trail ether]

no I mean you are describing something that does not exist

[forest valve]

mandella effect

is it like a certain entrance to the lost river?

[trail ether]

I am not going to say where the unlock is

[forest valve]

alright

[trail ether]

but I will say it is somewhere that makes logical sense

semantically related

[forest valve]

im probably gonna have to wait until c2c is on 2.0 either way cuz in alot of custom areas its pretty laggy

[trail ether]

not shoved into a random hole sonewhere

[forest valve]

thats good to know

would not be fun to search every single hole in subnautica

[normal frigate]

thats for sure lol

[trail ether]

every C2C POI is "telegraphed", either having its location hinted at in logs or a proximity alert, having a breadcrumb trail from a known-visited location, or as here, only having a couple logical places to exist

[forest valve]

for the most part, the best way of checking if it contains something useful, is if it's laggy 😆 (not to discredit the mod, but legacy seems to not be stable)

[trail ether]

most people who cannot find something are either not trying a known option, not paying attention to available info (logs/PDA/in-world objects), or unable to extrapolate from hints

hence why one of my most common replies is to be more observant and/or curious

[trail ether]

loading lag or ongoing lag

[forest valve]

ongoing, when im near an area

for example, the place where u get the liquid rebreather is really really laggy

and also when im in a wreck that has electricity coming out of it, the game has a growing lag spike every second

[trail ether]

the glass forest is known to have ongoing lag related to deepvine rendering

[forest valve]

altho some areas dont lag

[trail ether]

for some at least

[forest valve]

yeah

[trail ether]

i have loading lag there but no ongoing lag

[forest valve]

but thats for the oxygen tank which has the breathing fluid

[trail ether]

and I am on a 2017 GPU

[forest valve]

im on a 2017 gpu aswell

[trail ether]

and not integrated graphics or something like that?

[forest valve]

installed it myself, probably is its own thing

[trail ether]

i know very little about hardware so that model name means nothing to me

that said i have heard of cases of windows or games using the iGPU instead of a dedicated one so you might want to look into that

i have no idea how to xheck

[trail ether]

also do you know these to be related

because sparks are vanilla GOs

and aside from one FCS-spevific wreck I do not add any to my wrecks, let alone vanilla ones

[forest valve]

my cpu doesnt have an igpu

[trail ether]

well that is the end of that then

[normal frigate]

usually other mods cause lag

dont think its c2c itself

[normal frigate]

Depending on each cpu, you can disable it a couple ways

in the graphics settings of windows you can find subnautica and force it to use a dedicated gpu

[trail ether]

C2C definitely has its own lag, though I do test to make sure things I add work properly

but sometimes lag is situational or only affects some machines/instances

plus potentially different definitions of "lag" - some people call every time it drops below solid 60+ FPS "lag"

whereas I only call it lag if FPS either becomes erratic or so low as to affect gameplay or break animations

[forest valve]

could it be that i have a hard drive instead of an ssd?

[normal frigate]

Could be a reason

[trail ether]

that would not cause active lag unless new prefabs or assets are perpetually being loaded

it will worsen asset load lag but has no effect on on-tick behavior

[normal frigate]

hmm

you could disable the logging console

[trail ether]

that said an endless loading cycle might also explain ongoing lag in general

[normal frigate]

Ive done it before, seen like 3 fps difference lol

[trail ether]

i am reminded of the waves of chunk loading and unloading in Minecraft

[normal frigate]

minecraft sure is a masterpiece

[forest valve]

would rushing for the bioproc be a good idea?, since it makes alot of recipes easier, and with like 10 solar panels on a base thats near all 3 starter biomes (grassy plateaus, kelp forest, safe shallows) it should be pretty easy to make

maintain i mean

probably gonna take like 4 ish hours of gameplay due to needing a seamoth and stuff

[unreal flame]

Reika’s mods are generally resistant to “rushing”

For instance, it took me a good 12+ hours to get back to where I originally was when my save got reset

[forest valve]

yeah i remembered how many steps it was to even get the seamoth

also even the bacterial samples are gonna need me to enter the tree

[fiery fiber]

Dood spoilers. We try not to spoil locations and stuff here please

[fiery fiber]

Question ... for the camera attenuation thing-a-bob ... i'm still getting blur with the cameras past ~300m or so? I plopped the thing right on top of my scanner room ... is there something else I need to do activate this or something?

[loud python]

Yeah that never worked for me

[fiery fiber]

Shucks

[trail ether]

it works fine

a lot of people just assume it does something it does not

[trail ether]

^

it extends the signal range of a camera on the same seabase

as viewed from other seabases

it does not make cameras on that base not have distance attenuation to their own base

nor does it make the seabase with the antenna able to see other bases' cameras at extended range

[upper dock]

essentially it makes it so you can view that camera from other seabases

so like, if I have a seabase in the shallows and I put the antenna on it

I can go to my base in the lava reef and still view those cameras

it's an admittedly niche upgrade. I'm not really sure what I'd use it for.

[loud python]

I guess I missunderstood what the module was supposed to do. Ok, good to know

Not currently playing C2C, but getting the itch again. I was hoping to be patient until 2.0 but wth, maybe large room isn't so important for me 😛

[fiery fiber]

Ahhhhhhh! Ok got it!

I been playing c2c for weeks now and only got my bio processor up and running. This is a most excellent mod and greatly stretching out my playtime on this. I could almost say don't really need a 2.0 update with how much fun it still is in legacy

[trail ether]

ther eare still some things 2.0 will bring that will help

given the emphasis on base building, the large room will be welcome

and there might be performance improvements

also the recipe pinning will be of great use

not just directly but also because I can then reuse that UI element for the seamoth tether module to show currently-tethered items

[forest valve]

oooh thats pretty smart

[fast blaze]

Hi, I'm having a problem with Sunbeam Debris not loading in. I've searched for a fix in this thread but I can't find one. Is there anything I can do to force the game to reload the debris? I've got 22 hours on this save because I enjoy faffing about, it'd be a shame if I were softlocked.

[fast blaze]

I constructed another scanner room and it detected other debris elsewhere, and that had no problems with spawning in the items! Problem solved, I was too hasty in posting.

[forest valve]

damn i mustve been the one actually faffing about, i spent like 36 hours and still didnt see use for the debris

[trail ether]

why are your colors washed out

[forest valve]

they probably have a problem with saturation, or like their eyes dont like some colors

or colorblindedness

[forest valve]

if i had to guess atleast

[unreal flame]

Probably a reshade shader or something

[fast blaze]

Eye fatigue, yeah. Faffing about is the Subnautica ideal, you're just succeeding even harder than I am.

[modern ibex]

Is the terminal ||in aurora's lab|| intended to be broken? It just gives out "null".

[trail ether]

that was half-implemented and then my drive crashed

the actual function is implemented

the locale is not

[normal frigate]

stupid drive

[unreal flame]

you really gotta take your PC to a shop and have the new parts installed

[normal frigate]

only if you can afford it

[modern ibex]

Nah bro, better to assemble it yourself and then have it crash, because you incorrectly connected the cpu power cord and it doesn't supply enough electricity. (definitely didn't happen to me i swear)

[normal frigate]

Would be a lot cheaper than a shop for a skill you can learn yourself

[forest valve]

better to assemble yourself and have a few cpu pins break cuz u incorrectly placed it in, then u had to fix them yourself and act like a surgeon (definitely didn't happen to me i swear)

[normal frigate]

tbh its easy to slot in a cpu

[forest valve]

it was my first time and i had to bend the pins back in place

didnt look at any tutorials

[normal frigate]

[trail ether]

not when your hands shake

it took me two weeks to assemble this PC

[normal frigate]

:(

[trail ether]

and it was a stressful experience I have no intention of ever doing again

[normal frigate]

yea it is very stressful

[trail ether]

next time I will take the parts to a store and pay them $100 to assemble it

[normal frigate]

inflation

[wise hound]

tbh yeah, the fear of breaking something that will cost you hundreds to replace is crazy.

[warm cedar]

I have the feeling something aint right

[past geyser]

nope not right

[trail ether]

when that happened to me it was because I tried instantiating world GOs during game load

[forest valve]

what's a GO?

[fiery fiber]

Maybe? 😋

[trail ether]

GameObject

the fundamental "entity" representing anything in the world - or UI - of a unity game

equivalent to UObjects in UE and GodotObjects in godot

^

GOs are what contain components, which are basically building blocks that define traits and behaviors (each component can do active on-tick code as well as react to various events like collisions), and most GOs contain trees of child GOs, each with their own components

@forest valve some sample scene trees showing a bunch of GOs for world objects
https://i.imgur.com/UDZZ8Ph.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VWtz6as.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Kau65aS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jw3z3p6.jpg

every entry in that tree view at top right is GO

and you can see the nested structure of GOs with many child GOs

the list of components is the list in the bottom right

for example LiveMixin is what gives things health and makes the knife work on them

ResourceTracker makes scanner rooms detect it

SphereCollider is a native unity physics component (as opposed to a type defined by SN code) and does what it sounds like - gives an object a spherical collision box (or trigger AoE)

and here is a similar view showing GOs in the UI https://i.imgur.com/MVgeLsT.jpg

uGUI_PopupNotification is what defines things like the text in the unlock popup

most world objects have (Clone) in their name because thye are technically all instantiated from a template ("prefab", hence why they have a PrefabIdentifier, basically a component storing the prefab ID which is usually the only thing actually saved to disk so a new instance can be created when necessary), not constructed outright ex nihilo

singleton-type objects like HUD elements and the player tend to be "unique" and lack that

^

that shows many of the components on Player, such as OxygenManager (manages your O2 counter and whether you can breathe), GroundMotor and UnderwaterMotor that handle mobility, GUIHand which is what processes mouseover and click, etc

if you want more detail this structure is called Composition, and is pretty much universal in major game engines

Minecraft notably does not use composition and everything is inheritance-based

so EntitySpider (contains spider-specific properties and behaviors) extends EntityMob (contains hostile mob behaviors) extends EntityLiving (contains things like basic AI) extends EntityLivingBase (contains things like health and potion effects) extends Entity (the base class for all "free-moving" world objects from mobs to players to minecarts to arrows to XP orbs)

a lot of people consider that total garbage but honestly it works fine for MC and is less of a trap than most people make it out to be

the big issue is that since inheritance is one-way and singular (ie you cannot inherit from two parents at once), you end up with cases where you need to inherit from something to get some of its behavior and end up with something silly like cars subclassing living entity

or what I had to do with my base TileEntity classes and have a variant of the base class for every combination of item and fluid (and power) IO since I cannot just define an inventory handling TE, and a fluid handling TE, and a power handling one and make things inherit from one or the other or both as needed

[shrewd gate]

Wow. That power drain in the Lost River is a real detriment to my exploration.

Does the Cyclops have some sort of immunity to that power drain?

[forest valve]

probably does if i had to guess, since its massive

[warm cedar]

So can someone explain how to get rid of this?

[trail ether]

not that anything else does not also have

[trail ether]

something is wrong with your install

[trail ether]

find a way to combat it, ie make it not nearly so much of a problem

[shrewd gate]

Energy Efficiency? 😏

[trail ether]

why would engine power consumption mods affect leakage to the environment

[shrewd gate]

I dunno... it kinda just worked in my head.

Also, gamers. Don't bring Power Cells into Lost River. Worst mistake of my life.

[forest valve]

it even just drains them?

[normal frigate]

Fun experience

C2C basically is the easier deathrun in my opinion

[shrewd gate]

Yeah. Including the inventory and storages. They are drained as soon as you spend like five minutes in the Lost River.

[trail ether]

C2C works much more off of "what makes in-universe mechanical sense" than "magic game logic"

the same way tons of people assume the ||Redacted|| module is a magic ||redacted|| spawning prevention module, and not what it literally says it is and does

and then report "bugs" that ||redacted|| still spawned when they did things that the module does not help for

[modern ibex]

I'm not sure why, but some locations cause immense lag for me. And there isn't an obvious reason why.

For example in my current playthrough so far the area around ||the wreck near ozzy's lifepod|| causes persistent lag when in the vicinity. Maybe it's caused by some structures underground idk.

oh that's above most of the underground biomes, maybe that's why

[shrewd gate]

Yeah... makes sense. Just wasn't expecting it was all.

[trail ether]

most of the map is above "the underground biomes"

[trail ether]

people complain about that area a lot but it is very strange because I do not add anything substantial to that wreck nearby, nor to any cave nearby

let alone the open ocean

[trail ether]

C2C focuses on progression, not difficulty

it makes you do more things but it does not appreciably affect how difficult it is to not die, or the consequences of the average mistake

[normal frigate]

Yea

[trail ether]

the superficial similarity is because one of the primary ways to enforce progression is with environmental barriers

especially in a game like SN

[normal frigate]

too easy normally

[trail ether]

but mechanically it is no different from the classic "enemies here are higher level" thing every RPG ever uses

or "you need to unlock the recipe to craft this key to open this door to get here"

[normal frigate]

How long did it take you to make c2c and the likes?

[trail ether]

idea in late march 2022

some very early development that did not help very much in the end over most of april

late april or early may is when real "this code and feature set is still around and actually used ingame" development started

less dev occurred between june and august 2022

and none between mid dec 2022 and mid jan 2023

and no dev since dec 2023

[normal frigate]

cause its practically finished

at least until the port

[trail ether]

yes

that and I have other demands on my time

lots of them

[normal frigate]

take your time :)

[forest valve]

guh?

[normal frigate]

like way way easier

adds more realism and progression

[forest valve]

idk some areas like ||the 600m deep lifepod were pretty dangerous||

ah wait i read that again nvm

[normal frigate]

not too bad

[forest valve]

say that when a warper is there and for some reason can warp you ||when ur inside of the 600m base||

i also decided to go into the ||inactive lava zone|| to see if any ||iridium|| is there, i found none

[normal frigate]

i deal with warpers all the time

best is too statis them

Or use the repulsion cannon

[forest valve]

bit hard to do when u cant find the ||sunbeam debris||

[normal frigate]

||scanner room||

[forest valve]

couldn't find ||nanocarbon||

either

or is it just ||scannable|| right away?

[trail ether]

because warpers can warp you whenever you are swimming

you are not "in a base" inside those bases

[trail ether]

that is not useful for the sunbeam debris

[forest valve]

wait, you can ||scan the debris as soon as you get the scanner room??||

[trail ether]

as soon as it exists

[forest valve]

oh

[shrewd gate]

For some reason, the large electricity sparks are what cause a lot of my lag there.

Frames seem to go down by just looking at them.

[trail ether]

someone else reported that recently but they are simple billboarded textures

[shrewd gate]

Was Avolite moved? I'm not seeing any of it in the Mountains. Nor am I seeing any of scavengable salvage from the Sunbeam.

[shrewd gate]

Wait... Iirc, the Scanner Room detects Sunbeam Debris, right?

[shrewd gate]

Nevermind. I'm dumb

[forest valve]

for me i dont even have to look at them, the game just has a lag spike every second that seems to get bigger the more i stay inside a wreck

[silk pond]

anybody know the frequency of falling materials?

[trail ether]

random

and somewhat configurable i think

but typically every 10-20 minutes if I remember correclty

[shrewd gate]

I still have no clue as to what falling materials are.

[silk pond]

i guess ive been unlucky then

ive seen only 1 in my 80 subnautica day playthrough

[forest valve]

are u constantly looking at the sky?

[trail ether]

it makes noise

though by popular request - it did not originally have this limitation - it is not audible if you are below 100m

[unreal flame]

i still think the detector for it requiring ||what you get from falling debris|| is a bad move

[mystic wren]

Is SeaToSea for 2.0 or just for Legacy?

[unreal flame]

just legacy for now

[silk pond]

so ur saying i should just constantly look at the sky

[forest valve]

uhhhh

occasionally make sure you are above 100m

and keep hearing for a sound

[silk pond]

ok

[unreal flame]

i mean, basically the only way to actually get one is to happen to be near enough to the impact site anyway

[silk pond]

is the impact site random

[unreal flame]

Yes

Though at least initially, constrained to an area

[forest valve]

and then mark a beacon there or something

[unreal flame]

That’d be useless

[forest valve]

oh you meant that one would be constrained to an area

[unreal flame]

Until you manage to actually acquire one, yes

And the area it’s constrained to still encompasses like, 90% of the safe shallows

[silk pond]

so ur saying only 1 falling material can spawn in each area

[unreal flame]

No

Just that until you pick up your first one, they’ll all fall in a smaller area around the shallows

After that, the area widens

[shrewd gate]

Finally got my Stasis Rifle. I hope it wasn't nerfed! :D

[smoky storm]

Where can I find older versions of this modification?

[forest valve]

reika's github page

lemme pull it up brb

https://reikakalseki.github.io/subnautica/mods/seatosea.html

[smoky storm]

As far as I know, Github does not have a function for viewing older versions of a publication

[forest valve]

huh?

works fine for me

[unreal flame]

In function? No

[unreal flame]

Reika doesn’t keep old versions public

[forest valve]

then what's this?

[unreal flame]

The regular download link?

[forest valve]

i think they meant just downloading the mod

[normal frigate]

They wanted a older version

[forest valve]

ah

[trail ether]

you cannot

[fiery fiber]

am i missing something? The x12 cost for making lysing enzyme is MORE than 3x the cost of making lysing enzyme the regular way

Because I get 4x lysing enzymes from the regular recipe

also ... could i get a hint on where to find the tehter mod for seamoth possibly? I been searching ever since you explained how to use the rock crusher ... and I've scoured everywhere for this stupid thing ... well ... that is everywhere above 500m that is

[forest valve]

its more of the convenience of it than easiness to make

[fiery fiber]

Ahhhh! Higher cost for the convenience of bulk mfg. Got it!

[trail ether]

wait what

[trail ether]

I do not remember

[fiery fiber]

Ahh well back to scouring every inch .... sea to sea 😋

[fiery fiber]

Hello ... question ... um it's been days since sunbeam has been destroyed and I've scoured the mountain but I can't seem ti find ||debris|| Am I doing something wrong? I've built scanning rooms and It doesn't appear on list of items. Also for fallen debris ... does it fall to the ground or do I got to the surface where it hits the water?

[forest valve]

are the ||scanner rooms|| near/around the ||crash site?||

[fiery fiber]

i have one near there yes

actually it's in koosh area is that too far?

[unreal flame]

Yes

[fiery fiber]

ahhhh ok

Oh btw when you mean ||wreck I'm assuming Aurora?||

[forest valve]

no it's the ||sunbeam wreck||

[unreal flame]

||There is no specific sunbeam wreckage||

[forest valve]

ah

[plucky jolt]

Can anyone tell me one basic new location added to see if it loaded correctly?

The coordinates if possible

Nvm I found a new biome everything is working!

[forest valve]

these 4 mods keep failing

can't really do anything, game just crashes instantly

i verified game files, deleted some mods that seem to just always be enabled

[forest valve]

reverified game files, same story

[normal frigate]

Do u have dragon industries?

[forest valve]

i recounted the mods 3 times, there are 7 mods, including dragon industries

i installed the 7 mods, including DI

in the qmods folder

[normal frigate]

I would manually install instead of using vortex

[forest valve]

i did that

[normal frigate]

ah

[forest valve]

here's the latest-est qlog if this makes a difference

this seems to be the final thing it said

[normal frigate]

Reinstall aqueous engineering

oh wait

[forest valve]

hm?

[forest valve]

do i reinstall it from the github page or through the zip file?

cuz i still have all the zipped files for all the mods

[normal frigate]

do you have an antivirus?

[forest valve]

no, if i remember, even the windows thing is off

[normal frigate]

controlled folder access?

check the protection history

[forest valve]

does this work?

[forest valve]

i seem to already have check apps and files turned off

[normal frigate]

Initializing Steam services
Could not load [lib]steam_api.dll/so/dylib
DllNotFoundException: CSteamworks
at (wrapper managed-to-native) Steamworks.NativeMethods.SteamAPI_InitSafe()
at Steamworks.SteamAPI.Init () [0x00005] in <96e7a0f5e8ab4082be73ddac2f91bfd5>:0

could try reinstalling legacy branch

selecting none, updating, then selecting legacy

[forest valve]

hmm, you'd thing verifying game files twice would fix that

[normal frigate]

Debug :QModPluginGenerator] Clearing BepInEx cache failed with exception.
System.IO.IOException: Sharing violation on path C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Subnautica\BepInEx\cache\harmony_interop_cache.dat

try running subnautica as an admin