SeaToSea

[civic grotto]

https://pastes.io/8idfjkbn85

[trail ether]

redownload all of my mods

everything is mismatchbed

[civic grotto]

Alright

[frank scaffold]

@trail ether where can I find the code for the different fabricators I’d numbers?

[trail ether]

???

[frank scaffold]

I have a decoration fabricator from one mod and a pet fabricator from another. But when I use the pet one it shows the setup for the decoration one

[trail ether]

why are you asking me about mods I do not even make

[bitter monolith]

what does nanocarbon look like when its sitting in the water after falling?? i can never find a darn thing as i search the alleged landing area 😦

also, does it spawn at the surface and then sink, or does it appear right on the bottom?

[unreal flame]

It sinks, and looks like black aerogel

[trail ether]

it does not sink

it is neutrally buoyant

[spiral coyote]

it also bubbles

[bitter monolith]

is this implying that it will be floating right at the surface..? man, that would be freaking ironic after ive been scouring the ocean floor each time xD

i have nothing else to do but busywork as i wait for shit to fall randomly from the sky, and if i attempt to go off and do stuff, i will miss the cues every time. so now im sitting in a tower watching the horizon and browsing tubi's catalog lol

[unreal flame]

no, it sinks at least a little bit

[unreal flame]

you better have a rapid exit plan

[trail ether]

it spawns a couple meters down for visibility but does not move once it does

dropped from the hand it sinks yes

like all items

[bitter monolith]

yeppppp that should help, once i got close to the area i would drop to the seabed and scour for a minute xD silly me, assuming the buoyancy of solid objects

it never helped much that so many of them seemed to land in the kelp forest lol

[trail ether]

more mod compat

https://i.imgur.com/4csZUOA.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vO8h9O8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/p4WKbi2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5SGE9os.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GqA0qfx.jpg

this time added by AE

the way I implemented this - with a wrapper fake inv on the ACU, rather than patching ResourceMonitor - might also mean EasyCraft now can craft right out of an ACU

going to test

it does https://i.imgur.com/idwTZXc.jpg

[bitter monolith]

er, can that be turned off? i use aquariums with AquariumBreeding for my food fish

also, if i am reading the acu feeder correctly, food fish/herbivores should require plankton to reproduce? for me, possibly due to that mod, they do not

[trail ether]

? how is that related

not only are aquariums already natively supported by those mods, as they do use StorageContainers, but this does not affect aquariums

[trail ether]

they do not

[bitter kraken]

I feel like this user doesnt want to accidentally use all his fish while crafting water

[bitter monolith]

right, i tend to keep solo fish in the acu for display reasons and replenishing ones in aquariums

semi-related, ive noticed that EasyCraft sometimes puts surplus items into the bioprocessor and a few other containers i forget at the moment

not that it ever causes a problem, simply unexpected

[unreal flame]

why do you just have lone fish in the ACU

[bitter monolith]

for making biomes without spamming loads of fish

my stalker acu is loaded with hoverfish, of course

[trail ether]

that is entirely backwards to how they are suppose dto work

[trail ether]

I patched it today to skip scanner rooms and C2C machines

it is now blind to them

[bitter monolith]

but i cant make biomes in aquariums! lol

ok, nifty

[civic grotto]

I'm not sure how to prevent that myself

https://pastes.io/ubafjgydrk

So I re-installed all your mods like you recommended, but sea to sea still fails to load

at least its not all of them though

[trail ether]

you still have mismatches

[QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.MissingFieldException: Field 'ReikaKalseki.Ecocean.EcoceanMod.config' not found.
  at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.SeaToSeaMod.PreLoad () [0x0000d] in <7fdf1df777aa4ed588f090ff1ddbcecf>:0 
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) ```

that or something very broken with your Ecocean DLL

[Message:Unity Audio Patcher] Attempting to determine the runtime state of Unity Audio...
[Info   :Unity Audio Patcher] You may see warnings from AccessTools about being unable to find methods or types etc. during this operation.
[Warning:  HarmonyX] AccessTools.GetTypesFromAssembly: assembly Ecocean, Version=0.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null => System.Reflection.ReflectionTypeLoadException: Exception of type 'System.Reflection.ReflectionTypeLoadException' was thrown.
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.Assembly.GetTypes(System.Reflection.Assembly,bool)
  at System.Reflection.Assembly.GetTypes () [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 
  at HarmonyLib.AccessTools.GetTypesFromAssembly (System.Reflection.Assembly assembly) [0x0000d] in <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:0
[Warning:  HarmonyX] AccessTools.GetTypesFromAssembly: assembly Nautilus, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null => System.Reflection.ReflectionTypeLoadException: Exception of type 'System.Reflection.ReflectionTypeLoadException' was thrown.
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.Assembly.GetTypes(System.Reflection.Assembly,bool)
  at System.Reflection.Assembly.GetTypes () [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0 
  at HarmonyLib.AccessTools.GetTypesFromAssembly (System.Reflection.Assembly a```

wtf is unioty audio patcher

[spiral coyote]

If my google searching serves me right. It is (take this with a grain of salt) 'a single setting or group of settings that are exported out of a software instrument or DAW (desktop audio workstation) that can be imported and used with similar software.'

basically a 'preset'

think of it like a photo filter, but for audio

is this correct? hell if i know.

[civic grotto]

I fully redownloaded all your mods

[civic grotto]

I guess I’ll try redownloading that

[bitter monolith]

can i ask how AquariumBreeding might affect C2C progression?

[trail ether]

by making you not use ACUs to breed

you are still using ACUs, as deco

but most people using aquarium breeding are doing so as a cheap low-effort alternative to ACUs

[bitter monolith]

but how is that breaking progression or balance

i still require ACUs to breed anything that isnt a food fish

and to generate other resources

since they dont need 'feeding' in an ACU to breed, how is the aquarium any less effort than an ACU?

[trail ether]

do you need to breed anything other than food?

[bitter monolith]

the only difference that i can tell is that one takes up less space and materials

[trail ether]

and this is a bonus, not a requirement

which is actually a point against letting the player ignore ACUs

as I know from experience that if there are optional make-your-life-easier-with-a-little-added-investment features, most players ignore them

and then turn around and whine about grind

[bitter monolith]

I tend to breed carnivores and release them in the water around my deeper bases to act as a natural barrier to spawns

[trail ether]

that is...unusual

[bitter monolith]

i also breed crash fish and use them as projectiles

[trail ether]

yes, exactly, which is why people using aquariums to breed food are probably using it as a cheap shortcut

[bitter monolith]

yes, but how does that break balance or progression, is the question

when someone can go for a swim and catch fish in 30 seconds, whats the difference in letting someone skip the swim and have a fish right there

im not breeding fish that crap out diamonds or anything

if i want a truly unlimited food source, it takes me all of 5 minutes to swim over to the island and get some melon pots going, and bam, i will never starve again

[trail ether]

you have a point in that ther eare base game features that also circumvent a lot of the value of ACUs

[bitter monolith]

dont get me wrong, i really enjoy using ACUs, i just dont use em for my food fish is all lol

aquariums are pretty at first, but the swimming pattern in them is predictable and boring to watch

mobs in ACUs move around with much more freedom and are actually entertaining to watch for a while

just not when its completely crammed with em, which means only 1 of each

it seems like a really minor QoL mod, and i am really anxious about getting yelled at each time i boot up my game now -_-

i would be amenable to making them require enameled glass instead of reinforced, for instance

perhaps scanning an ACU unlocks aquariums at the same time, so you know there is at least no tech jump

[civic grotto]

When I do that, they just instantly detonate on me

[trail ether]

i removed the dialog

[coral dagger]

i just used that mod because i like cyclops base

obviously can't do it fully in c2c

[unreal flame]

and ineffective.

[unreal flame]

arguably, aquarium breeding isn't really circumventive of any gates

at most, it allows the production of fish aboard the cyclops

[trail ether]

a very strange question: has anyone else noticed bright orange very-short-lived flashes around the nearside front of the aurroa

if you arre close it fills your screen and makes everything light up

someone else had it happen while streaming - I saw it - and now it is happening to me

I saw the glare on the ground (including faded edge), so it is an actual in-world light source

I also saw it happen far enough away that I could see it was localized, lighting an area a couple times the size of a cyclops, about where the prawn or drive bays are i think

roughly in the spot where my cursor is (entry holes on the front near side are immediately to my right) https://i.imgur.com/pBaR1CH.jpg

with fog off https://i.imgur.com/PbsVFOB.jpg

[bitter monolith]

hmm yeah that rings a bell, i figured i was catching an explosion render or something

[trail ether]

I am almost wondering if some GameObject is becoming active for only a frame or two before being inactivated again

but the only modifiation I make to the aurora is adding the Sealed component to it in AR for the laser cutter interaction

and that would not do this

[trail ether]

still trying to figure out what to do about the geyser filter

i have no good ideas

[spiral coyote]

in what way? like bug fixes or qol improvements?

[trail ether]

geysers unload at a pretty short distance, meaning the filter stops producing items unless you babysit the geyser

fundamentally this results from the fact the geyser filter cannot know the difference between not being placed near a geyser at all and being placed near one that is currently unloaded

[frank scaffold]

Reika what would it take to put your mods on 2.0?

[trail ether]

a lot of work

[frank scaffold]

im omw to understanding the basics

ive got your back

[spiral coyote]

hm... what if instead of constantly checking the area for a geyser, it only checks once?

if false, remain false

if true, remain true

[trail ether]

then it fails permanently when you first load a world and never resolves itself

[frank scaffold]

post the logs in #❓┃help-and-support

[spiral coyote]

hm... ok, i'll try to think of something

[coral dagger]

could you store the minimum distance to a geyser?

it's not like the filter moves

so then even if the geyser is unloaded, the minimum distance is close enough that it keeps going

[spiral coyote]

that's the problem

it can't tell the difference from not being on a geyser, to an unloaded geyser

[coral dagger]

but if you store the distance

then it only needs to be loaded once

[spiral coyote]

hm...

[coral dagger]

go like "works if (in_geyser) or if (min_distance <= x)"

[spiral coyote]

like comparing coordinates to one another?

[coral dagger]

you would still need to load the geyser once

but then it has stored the minimum distance so it "remembers" that it's in range of a geyser even if unloaded

or even use a bool

just store a T/F like you said, but never allow F to overwrite T

[spiral coyote]

that might work

[coral dagger]

not an issue because the filter doesn't move, so if it's ever in a geyser then it will always be in a geyser

if true, remain true

but if false, check and allow update to true

[spiral coyote]

so (sorry if i'm misunderstanding), the geyser gets it's own coordinates, then checks if it is nearby certain coordinates?

and if they are similar, it returns true?

[coral dagger]

there must already be some system to check if it's in a geyser

clearly, as it works if it is and doesn't if it isn't

i'm saying just store that value if it's true

remember that it was true at some point

so then even if it becomes false, default to the stored value

similar to what you suggested, but allow updating from F to T, but disallow updating from T to F

[spiral coyote]

This is just another idea - not discarding yours -. What if, instead, it never even checks for a geyser; it checks if it's in a volume?

[unreal flame]

i mean, there's no need to even bother with something like that

[spiral coyote]

like a range of coordinates

[unreal flame]

the filter will be built in a state where finding out if it's above a geyser is easy

[coral dagger]

oh true

you can just do that when it's built

[spiral coyote]

that's what i was thinking

but i didn't express that for some reason

[unreal flame]

no need for updating the state if each individual filter simply keeps its state stored

not like they can be moved, at least

[coral dagger]

you'd have to make sure it's robust to saving and reloading

but other things like chests can "remember" between reload

[unreal flame]

and attaching one to a vehicle with building tweaks is at least unwieldy and at most impossible anyway

wouldn't be very possible to attach one to a cyclops and have it register as a valid filter, for instance

[coral dagger]

can you even build the outside base pieces on a cyclops?

[barren oar]

alternative idea, c2c has no item conveyor belts/pipes/automatic transfer options, yeah? so why not unload the filter at the same range that the geyser unloads and calculate how many items it should have after X seconds of being unloaded instead?

the player will only be able to access it within rendering range, after all

it could also then check if its above a geyser (and quit out if not) which should also solve the vehicle issue (filter not above geyser while on vehicle? nothing filtered; vehicle moves? vehicle within render range and as such filter and geyser must be loaded, no issues there)

[spiral coyote]

so many ideas... only one could be chosen

which would be the easiest solution...

checking, then storing the data might be easier and less buggy...

but is that simple?

or a pain in the butt

[unreal flame]

i don't think buildables can unload?

regardless, that still requires tracking a value across unloads/game reloads, so

[spiral coyote]

i think storing data is the most reliable

because there is something the filter can recall to

[barren oar]

im pr sure they can, at least on 2.0

[spiral coyote]

The geyser filter could check it's own coordinates, then compare it to preset coordinates: not necessarily the geysers

[barren oar]

ive used this approach before in my mod until i realised item transfer would be a big issue

[trail ether]

there is a problem with all the suggested ideas

namely that the geyser is not just there for a "can it work" check

as it is currently designed the item "production" only runs while the geyser is actively erupting (note the progress meter)

thus rewarding the use of more active geysers

[spiral coyote]

ah yes, forgot about that...

[barren oar]

then store the geyser's eruption time

[trail ether]

true this is a field on Geyser

[unreal flame]

they are pretty regular

[barren oar]

elapsed time while inactive / geyser eruption time = number of eruptions

[unreal flame]

all things considered, do any of them have different timings?

[trail ether]

yes

[unreal flame]

huh

[spiral coyote]

expanding from that

(and mine)

[unreal flame]

even so, just store the timing of the geyser and generate items based on that as opposed to detecting when it actually erupts

effectively the same thing anyway

[trail ether]

except when you can see it

then again i guess i could override the logic to use the actual geyser if it exists

[unreal flame]

i feel like that's of minimal importance, honestly

[trail ether]

i do like that you can watch the meter rise intermittently

[spiral coyote]

the filter could compare it's coordinates to a bunch of prelisted coordinates, maybe like a imaginary box

like 0≤x≤30 , 0≤y≤30 , 0≤z≤30

[trail ether]

that is also an option

hardcode a list of geyser locations

their geometry is consistent

[spiral coyote]

and is independent from the geysers

instead of checking if it is near a geyser

it checks if it is in this certain range of coordinates

[trail ether]

not sure that actually helps much though

as n8 said there will be a loaded geyser nearby when you build it

assuming you are not a moron

as such it can save "i was built correctly"

[unreal flame]

there either will or will not be

you can't build one outside of loading range, at least

[spiral coyote]

yeah that seems to be the best course of action

when built, check if it near a geyser

if so, remain so

it could also compile the data into a file so it can recall back to it when loading

like a .json file or something similar

[trail ether]

i already have a serialization engine

which has been working for me

[spiral coyote]

sorry for the silence, i am new to this level of programming, the highest level i've achieved is understanding basic levels of c++

so i may or may not have searched for 5 minutes trying to understand what serialization means...

but i think i understand now... so the data would already be compiled somewhere?

in that case... the code could refer to those files

[trail ether]

saving to disk

[spiral coyote]

ah. Thank you

This is a rough outline of how the filter could behave to make it work even when not rendered.

if there are flaws with the design, i'll try to fix it

[unreal flame]

more complicated than would be necessary

[spiral coyote]

well crap

i'll keep it here juuuuust in case (and update it accordingly)

[bitter monolith]

or make it so a geyser filter cannot be built unless it is in range of a geyser

then have it generate based on the geyser timer

would actually help me with placement since it takes me a couple tries to get them deep enough to activate

[trail ether]

that...is actually doable

there is a framerate implication

since an AoE check is not cheap

but it would not be low enough to really markedly hurt the game

I like this idea best so far

as it is the simplest

[barren oar]

oh yeah ! that sounds nice

ive had trouble with deciding where exactly the filter should go in the past, myself

[frank scaffold]

@vague lark will the Architect ever have availably on your patron again

[vague lark]

It did for a few days, but got claimed just yesterday!

Not sure why we're in Sea to sea btw I am unaffiliated with this mod

[frank scaffold]

my oof

but still

can you send me a dm plz

[vague lark]

I dont have public DMs, sorry

[frank scaffold]

ok

[trail ether]

example https://i.imgur.com/PqMsv24.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CEw1Lhb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/iR4hHv5.png

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/t0OjvwS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/opA9MZF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2dWXxdB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RD69sWa.jpg

[bitter monolith]

ive wiped and downloaded fresh copies of all the mods, and re(ef)balance seems to be failing to load for some reason

[QModManager:DEBUG] Completed patch method for mod "ReikaKalseki.Ecocean" at NormalInitialize
[QModManager:DEBUG] Starting patch method for mod "ReikaKalseki.Re(ef)balance" at NormalInitialize
[QModManager:ERROR] Invoking the specified entry method "Load" failed for mod "ReikaKalseki.Re(ef)balance"
[QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.MissingMethodException: SMLHelper.V2.Crafting.TechData ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.RecipeUtil.getRecipe(TechType)
at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod.InternalInvoke(System.Reflection.MonoMethod,object,object[],System.Exception&)
at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00032] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00048] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at QModManager.Patching.QModPatchMethod.TryInvoke () [0x00034] in <17412a3abc4a4e4196c5a94d73183573>:0
[QModManager:DEBUG] Starting patch method for mod "ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea" at NormalInitialize

[trail ether]

oh this is another me-outsmarting-git thing

does that dll fix it

[trail ether]

i put out another release which fixes these issues and more

[sudden raven]

#🎮┃mod-discussion message would s2s work with nitrox?

[unreal flame]

nobody knows

reika sees it as being extremely unlikely

[trail ether]

people say it works but i think iti s unlikely that it is bug-free

[unreal flame]

probably pretty easy to find out

[civic grotto]

https://pastes.io/qlrysiy9ei

Alright so I fully reinstalled ecocean and C2C, but it is still having them fail to load

[frank scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/you-get-trooled-gif-25246949

Nice

[unreal flame]

Do you have all of the dependencies

[civic grotto]

I believe so

[trail ether]

no you have version mismatches still

[QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.MissingMethodException: void ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.SNUtil.addPDAEntry(TechType,string,string,single,string,string,string,System.Action`1<PDAScanner/EntryData>)
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod.InternalInvoke(System.Reflection.MonoMethod,object,object[],System.Exception&)
  at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System```

[pastel comet]

there's an issue I've run into while running the Dragon Industries mods, but due to a lack of any issue trackers I'm not sure where to ask about this but here.

as I run this collection of mods for an hour or two, there becomes a growing issue of lag spikes. the only time i've been able to correlate it to something in-game is when atmospheric debris spawned in. it seems to also occur during animations/transitions like pulling out equipment or entering or exiting the lifepod, or when moving the player camera too quickly. it doesnt seem to correlate to graphics, as turning all settings down to minimum seems to have no effect. normally the lag spikes wouldnt be too big of a deal to me to face but once that hour or two has passed, i get a popup for "virtualalloc remapping failed" "fatal error in gc [assumedly garbage collector]", and my computer soft crashes (screen turns black and becomes unresponsive, although the power is still on). it sounds like this is a memory related issue of some sort, but subnautica normally runs fine without mods, and with mods im running the game with 16gb of ram anyways. my only theory is this is maybe a memory leak of some sort. im not sure if there are any logs that get created from this and if so then where they would be, and i dont know if i can even get a screenshot of the error considering it crashes the computer.

I'm not entirely sure which of the mods is causing the issue, but if this is a yet unheard of bug I can do some further testing.

one thing i'm going to attempt to do is see if a fix reported for another game happens to work for this, since it doesnt seem to be limited to said game as the fix is adjusting the windows pagefile size for game memory

[pastel comet]

oh wait I found this in the subnautica folder from the time of the crash, yeah definitely a memory issue, wonder if its a memory leak or something

and found this, its just not very useful other than at least being a log correlating to the gc error

tbf i should probably also update the mods, since i see theres new updates

[trail ether]

there is an issue tracker but this is a fine place too

[trail ether]

yes, you have a memory leak of some kind, but I have no idea why

I do not have that low level of control to be able to cause a memory leak

and 16GB is far in excess of what SN needs

mine is running at <4GB right now

with a late midgame world with a giant seabase loaded in

[pastel comet]

ah okay so memory leaks can't be caused by SN mods good to know

and to be more specific my computer has 16GB

[pastel comet]

I'm not actually sure what's allocated to Subnautica, it'd be whatever the steam default is, I'd have to check

[trail ether]

not the usual sources at any rate

like I could create infinite C# objects sure but that is not a memory leak in the typical sense

your issue looks like a leak of low-level memory

which should all be deep inside unity's internals

[pastel comet]

okay I don't think this is something thats normally editable for steam games so yeah I'm not exactly running subnautica with an entire 16GB I don't think

most of my mod and modding experience is with minecraft and I think that shows here lmao

[pastel comet]

where's the issue tracker located? I tried searching for it on the github site but couldn't find any links

[trail ether]

https://github.com/ReikaKalseki/Reika_SubnauticaModsShared/issues

[trail ether]

so is mine https://i.imgur.com/CBDLvaR.png

[pastel comet]

ah I see, its on a shared repo

but yeah if it cant be caused by the mod then thats definitely a weird issue i guess i will have to see if that pagefile fix does anything

if it doesnt ill probably just go to #❓┃help-and-support

[trail ether]

i have had no issues, and only one other person has reported unusually high RAM usage, and never really followed up when asked for more info

[pastel comet]

classic

[trail ether]

if this was a common issue resulting from core behavior there would definitely be more reports of it

so it is probably either some weird edge case or caused by (or at least requires heavy contribution from) external factors

[pastel comet]

yeah makes sense

well other than this weird issue these have been fun mods to play so far and i havent even left the safe shallows 👍 , can't wait to see what else ill find since i know theres quite a bit from the mod page but ive tried to stay unspoiled

[trail ether]

if you have not even left the shallows yet you have seen very little of what you are in for 😛

[pastel comet]

lol yeah

all ive been doing is staying in the safe shallows and trying to manage my resources 😂

[upper dock]

I also have weirdly high RAM usage in pre-2.0 subnautica

certainly no 16GB though, at worst like 6-8

[trail ether]

for C2C or just in genreal

[upper dock]

In general as best as I can tell

it's definitely worse in C2C

but even vanilla has higher ram usage than post-2.0

[trail ether]

how many resources are there even to manage that ear-oh I know

[upper dock]

no clue why

[pastel comet]

for me I don't think its a general subnautica issue since i completed the whole game awhile ago just fine without many issues on this pc as far as i remember

[trail ether]

x eleventy billion

[upper dock]

yeah the early game acid mushroom grind can be a little funny

[pastel comet]

carboxylic acid moment

[upper dock]

thankfully the safe shallows has 92348 of them

[trail ether]

and you can farm them

[upper dock]

hate defacing the environment though 😔

[trail ether]

there is a reason i did that

[trail ether]

same

hence why i rush farming\

[upper dock]

I wish they regrew after like, an in-game week

something where it's not feasible to just wait it out to avoid farming

[pastel comet]

yeah dw i like having these extra crafting stages, gives me more to think about with resource management

and its nice and fresh for starting the game again

[pastel comet]

ahh i think i might understand lol

[trail ether]

the lubricant recipe is similar

i deliberately made the earlygame one expensive on raw materials and take a lot of inv space

[pastel comet]

okay considering i havent even been getting any lag spikes at all, i think the issue might be fixed

[civic grotto]

Should I just try reinstalling ecocean, because I just got fresh versions of all your mods recently

am I missing one?

[trail ether]

the issue is not that you have a missing mod, it is that the versions you have do not align

but yes redownload everything, since I made an update last night

[loud python]

Having a bit of problem getting my stalkers to poop. I have plants, kelp forest biome, 3 stalkers and the rest are hoopfish and hoverfish, what am I missing?

[shell drift]

An enzyme host peeper will help with productivity (productivity meaning rate of breeding and pooping). I recommend that you put an ACU status monitor to see your productivity factor. Other than that, it takes some time. Do be patient.

[loud python]

The productivity factor is 300%, might not be the best, but certainly not the worst.

I've waited over an hour

Something's wrong

Do I have to be away? closer?

can it happen while i'm looking at the tank?

[shell drift]

Distance to the acu doesnt matter when it comes to waste generation

If you wish you can up the poo rate in the Aqueous Engineering config

[loud python]

I think there ought to be a bug somewhere. I don't buy it takes over an hour. But allright, i'll try to speed it up there

[civic grotto]

and to be clear the mods are reefbalance, ecocean, dragon industries, aqueous engineering, auroresource and C2C?

[bitter monolith]

and exscansion

[bitter monolith]

as it was explained to me, the poop is not truly a feature but a useful side effect, if you need volume for processing then you are better off hitting the path

[trail ether]

it is very slow

[trail ether]

yes

the poop is not designed to supplant the need for treader poop until you are in the late game and have a half dozen highly boosted ACUs

[loud python]

I see.

[upper dock]

yeah the poop is basically to reduce how frequently you have to go hunt down the treaders

not replace doing it

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/IrZGCh1.png

https://i.imgur.com/Fs69EQF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bVrhxcM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/o5grusq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NPH8DB8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GOF3wIM.jpg

[trail ether]

also made an adjustment https://i.imgur.com/hLdS1An.jpg

[brave fox]

so what do i do to ||use the liquid breathing system efficiently?|| wasn't a thing when i played the mod before

[unreal flame]

why

[bitter monolith]

||there are four parts: the tank, the mask, the base module, and the fluid itself||

||wear the mask all the time since its an upgrade, swap to the tank before diving under 500m, fluid goes in the module which refills the tank when being worn in base||

[brave fox]

Yep i know, i’m talking about the ||”breathing efficiency reduced”|| or something along those lines after equipping it, it has a little ||bacteria symbol||

[trail ether]

it was thing since long before the mod was ever first released, so that is not true

it was a thing in may 2022

[trail ether]

so you do not need two power cells per ion power cell

[trail ether]

ok that is new

did you do what your PDA said

[unreal flame]

reika

look at the recipe again

[trail ether]

I doubled the cost of everything else to keep it consistent

oh wait

the power cell

[unreal flame]

lmao

[trail ether]

ok that did notwork

[unreal flame]

maybe: just make it output a power cell instead of two batteries

[trail ether]

ok fixed

[trail ether]

then you cannot make ion batteries

[unreal flame]

not like there isn't enough azurite for every tool and then some

[trail ether]

also the ion power cells require additional items

[trail ether]

there is not

[unreal flame]

every tool that sees regular use and then some

[trail ether]

finding the opposite myself

especially once you need to spend 18 azurite (two batteries' worth) on a blue tablet

[unreal flame]

you set it to what?

[loud python]

I don't think the game gets better for not being able to have your late game tools have super energy.

[trail ether]

that is not new

that is how it has been since the beginnign

also

unrelated except for it also being a recipe thing

remember how i added bleach to the nanowrap bandage recipe

which makes sense and i like the idea

but now you cannot produce them except on the surface

like you cannot make a self-sufficient production of them in deeper bases

i have noticed this

[unreal flame]

alternate bleach source?

[trail ether]

maybe an LR bleach plant?

or

maybe i make pyrocoral also give coral samples when knifed

[unreal flame]

HCL+salt

[trail ether]

also that

[unreal flame]

then again salt doesn't appear deep either, does it

[trail ether]

no but water filters

[unreal flame]

which is weird because the lost river is literally brine

[trail ether]

so you have a salt supply

[unreal flame]

true

[shell drift]

What if there was a machine to extract salt from LR brine?

[unreal flame]

water filter lol

[trail ether]

almost makes sense but A) lr brine is also toxic and B) salt is normally in such abdundance that this is not useful

[shell drift]

True

I mean N8 is right, you could just put down a water filter machine lol

[unreal flame]

anyway isn't deep shroom available in the LR (not to mention growbeds?)

should be a good lategame solution for bleach

gives more, perhaps

[trail ether]

it is available all the way down to and including ILZ

but remember HCL is bioproc

[unreal flame]

there are deep shrooms in the ILZ for sure

only flora there, in vanilla

iirc you can find them in at least the treecove too

[unreal flame]

and that's the reason for making the recipe efficient

[trail ether]

but this is still not self-sufficient

as lysing enzymes themselves require materials from outside the area

[loud python]

How about a recipie that duplicates bleach?

You add bleach + Something else on bioprocesor = 2 bleach

And that smeting could be harvested from the lost river

So it's self sufficient so long as you bring bleach and don't use it all

[trail ether]

bioproc recipes always use enzymes

not two random items

[trail ether]

what if i made an alternate shaped azurite recipe that uses kyanite and less azurite i have a better idea

[bitter monolith]

welp, while youre on the topic of recipes, in my humble opinion the cyclops and the MK1+2 depth module for it should be flipped a bit. as it stands, the cyclops recipe includes hull plating, meaning you cannot build a cyclops until you have already attained diving beyond the cyclops starting max depth using the seamoth. once you build the cyclops, you do not actually gain any dive depth at all until you add the MK2 module, which then allows the cyclops to dive several hundred more meters with only the addition of a few rubies and some materials already used in the base recipe. obtaining the MK3 module requires a jaunt in a prawn suit which making takes a few hoops that again only require you making it as far as 900m, cutting the cyclops out of the picture as a necessary technical step at all

I would greatly enjoy the ability to build the cyclops while i am still in the range of exploring between 500m and 900m. in that time i am still expanding my exploration boundaries and establishing bases all over the map, for which the cyclops would come in exceptionally handy. once i am exploring to 900m, i have already 'conquered' the surface biomes, and the cyclops has absolutely zero reason to ever see anything above the Lost River. rather than become an enjoyable part of the mid-game, it is only a late-game taxi for the prawn suit

[bitter monolith]

the recharger uses a lotta power even when its not refilling, is that intentional? also the power consumption doesnt register for the BetterPowerInfo mod, just fyi

[loud python]

I forget, does the passive sonar also attract reapers, or just using the active sonar?

[shell drift]

Only active sonar attracts reapers

Passive sonar is fine

[loud python]

ty

[trail ether]

neing able to bring the cyclops down brings additonal value compared to just getting the seamoth down

[trail ether]

that said i noticed recently in my playthrouh it felt underused yes

basically a storage taxi

used it to cart back 200 ingots from the drill or lumenshroom oil from the dunes

[trail ether]

recharger?

the liquid breathing one?

it has a passive draw

this is intentional

and i have never heard of that mod

[upper dock]

yeah the cyclops didn't see much use in my playthrough either, though I didn't finish the game

[loud python]

I haven't made it to the cyclops yet

but i'm quickly running out of reasons to use it

I think UW made the right choice when making the seaglide never be able to go too deep. Makes the cyclops more useful

[bitter monolith]

...there is a depth limit on the seaglide??

OH seamoth ok nvm i get ya

but yeah, i dwelled on it a bit more and realized the irony of a mod that spreads out the game content all over the map but then doesnt even touch the mechanic advertised on the game cover xD

[bitter monolith]

i had just noticed the passive draw entirely outpaced the generation potential of my bioreactor

seemed a little excessive for a device not doing anything

[loud python]

Yeah, seaglide, sorry

seamoth

AHH

seamoth

[bitter monolith]

it does this:

i dont have the recharger in that base but i do have the bioprocessor and that doesnt show on there either

[loud python]

I actually appreciate how much more useful the seamoth is now. But it does make the cyclops unnecessary.

[bitter monolith]

not gonna lie, i installed the Odyssey mod to try and get a mid-game 'mobile outpost', but you cannot change the modules in it because C2C has that feature locked behind being docked, which makes complete sense for the seamoth/prawn, but sadly, there is no dock for the Odyssey and thus the module panel cannot be accessed

[trail ether]

really?

do you have FCS installed

[bitter monolith]

i do not, but i do have BetterBioReactor, which i thought would actually improve the bioreactor performance to generate power faster when its full

[loud python]

Looking into the odyssey- it looks like it'd be a great thing to have on C2C

And could be kept balanced by making it a low-depth thing only

It'd be great for resource runs, so you only had to really have 1 big base in the surface biomes.

Well actually, not really

It'd only be good for quick resource runs

Which is nice I guess.

[trail ether]

same

[trail ether]

passive draw for the rebreather charger is 0.5/s

2.5/s when active

[pastel fox]

can we see the leviathan at the void spikes?

[shell drift]

It doesn't even have a model or textures yet...

[pastel fox]

K ty

[slender stone]

It would be good to introduce, as in the “death run” mod, a crushing depth of around 100m. and significant depths, such as: 120m (point 17, 6), 260m (cave of jellyfish mushrooms), 360m (point 9) and others, are regulated by putting on a certain suit, hat or chip. then, for example, it will not be possible to immediately scan the base room for yourself from the beginning of the game. in general there is a large field for activity.

[bitter monolith]

those features are in Deathrun and not C2C for the plain reason that Deathrun is the mod that makes the game harder, while C2C is the mod that makes the game 'wider', so to speak. also, i would not play C2C if it was the same as Deathrun because I already completed the Deathrun content... >_>

[ornate nimbus]

Well, in older version it had an untextured model that you could spawn with a command but it got deleted

[unreal flame]

sea to sea introduces player crush depth, it's just deeper than deathrun's

[trail ether]

thinking about it, the fix for this is to instead add a farmable source of chrloine

given thta i made pyrocoral also drop coral samples then all you need is that and you can make bleach in the LR easily

[shell drift]

Would it make sense to be able to get chlorine from LR brine? Or maybe from a plant such as brine lilys?

[trail ether]

by what mechanism

i am thinking a new plant, derived from the cinese potato, that gives gas pods as harvest yield

that, combined with the pyrocoral samples and a buff to water filter salt production (3x) in the LR, means bleach is readily producible there

[unreal flame]

electrolysis of HCl

[shell drift]

I JUST GOT A GREAT IDEA

Buildavle electrolysis nachine

[unreal flame]

what would the recipes be, though

other than HCl

[shell drift]

Not only for this HCl idea, but it could expand on many other recipes!

[unreal flame]

but what other items are there in the game that could be feasibly electrolyzed

[shell drift]

Shoot you got me there, I can't think of any more..

[unreal flame]

you've got water, but that's somewhat useless as oxygen is everywhere and hydrogen is in the HCl recipe

[shell drift]

Now that I think of it, an entire machine for one recipe is a tad cumbersome

[unreal flame]

and a recipe that is to some degree redundant, at that

[ornate nimbus]

(SOLVED)Hi, I'm having problems with running the latest version of Sea to Sea. This message pops up when I launch Subnautica: "Failed to load these mods correctly: Sea to Sea". All of the other Reika's mods work well and I've never had this problem with C2C. This is the log

[unreal flame]

do you have ECC installed

[ornate nimbus]

Yes

[unreal flame]

are all mod versions up to date?

[ornate nimbus]

Wait I figured it out

While updating the dependencies I accidentally deleted reefbalance

Thanks for trying to help me

and then somehow still counted 6 dependencies

Sorry for bothering

[bitter monolith]

honestly i would say farming gasopods is the most enjoyable resource farming there is, as resource runs go

however, chlorine is not only obtainable from salt/seawater, but is also a volcanic byproduct, so do with that what you will

could make a gasopod farmer attachment for the acu, for 'safe' farming

[shell drift]

Yeah! I was wondering if there could ever be a feasable way to farm gas pods via ACU

I like that idea

[unreal flame]

i still say having the ACU cleaner collect gas pods is a good direction

[civic grotto]

just tried it now that I was able to get subnautica to run finally lol

[trail ether]

easier than implementing a new plant too

[trail ether]

oh Add is private - replace it with AddByUnlockable

https://i.imgur.com/czO0ADy.png

[civic grotto]

thank you

[civic grotto]

heres what it gave me

[trail ether]

the return value appears to be whether it was already scanned so false is normal

[civic grotto]

Oh ok, one other thing, I’m sure this is a very basic solve, but it seems like the quit command isn’t closing the UI?

[trail ether]

quit command?

[bitter monolith]

i guess im not sure what the recharger is doing to draw so much power when idle. as you can see the bioreactor is running at +50 with nothing else in the base, and power is still dropping, so this seems the only culprit

a bit later

i usually have to disassemble it by 1%ish so it stops running

luckily it keeps the buffer value when i do this xD

[frank scaffold]

The fact that reika was able to code in his own oxygen system is nothing short of amazing

[bitter monolith]

but yes, i agree

i 'beat' subnautica in 20 hours

[frank scaffold]

Oh shit I never checked

[bitter monolith]

ive been playing C2C for 4+ days

[frank scaffold]

I want to play it but I’ve been on 2.0 for a while so

[bitter monolith]

i hear ya lol

i got it for free on epic

then bought it on steam so i could roll back to play the craptons of legacy mods

[frank scaffold]

Don’t you need steam to play old subnaughtcia

[bitter monolith]

yup, legacy subnautica on steam is what i use for C2C

[frank scaffold]

Try the habitat platform mod

[bitter monolith]

dont regret the buy

i also bought it for a friend so we could play nitrox xD but that is getting a little off topic lol

[frank scaffold]

By using it you can remove the requirement for base reinforcement

[bitter monolith]

oh lol yeah i did notice that the reinforcement recipe in C2C is steep, so i just throw down several foundations and that does the trick

also, the ||power drain in lost river|| seems to be affecting cells in storage aboard the cyclops

[shell drift]

Bulkheads are great for hull reinforcement as they give +12 points

[bitter monolith]

i can get behind it affecting ones in your inventory when you go out with them, but these didnt make sense xD

[bitter monolith]

apparently im dumb because i cant figure out where bulkheads snap to

[shell drift]

They connect between hallway pieces, and do not fit in small connections (for example, if you put a moonpool directly next to a multipurpose room you can't put a bulkhead in the mini hallway that is generated between the two) you can only put bulkheads on either end of any hallway peice

[bitter monolith]

ohhhhh

see, i make my bases like tetris blocks lol

i will keep that in mind though, thatll help me place them a bit higher i think than right on a foundation 👍

[civic grotto]

Whatever the command is to close it, I forget the name, but I’m not sure how to get out of the editor after running the code

[trail ether]

just hit f7 again

[trail ether]

and then your power stops dropping?

[trail ether]

yes, because that would otherwise be exploitable

plus the cyclops is made of conductive metal

[bitter monolith]

correct, the power number started going back up

[bitter monolith]

oh no, i meant the cells literally in lockers aboard the cyclops. the installed ones makes perfect sense

[trail ether]

yes that is what I meant too

[bitter monolith]

||...how is hypersaline water draining batteries that arent touching any circuits?||

i mean, its an easy workaround to just carry them, so its not truly a big deal

[trail ether]

they are connected via the metal chassis of the cyclops

[bitter monolith]

storing batteries in a way so both ends make contact with a metal object is just silly

[trail ether]

maybe but there is no visible insulation in the locker

also this is a feature so you cannot bypass the leak by just bringing a bunch of full power cells in storage

[bitter monolith]

titanium is extremely not conductive, for starters, maybe less than 5% of copper. also why is a resource sink not considered a solution?

you cant recharge them aboard, i havent tried thermal yet but i assumed it would not fully counter the effect even when i did get it, similar to the one found for the seamoth

establishing a base or two with enough power generation to counter the drain takes about the same effort

[trail ether]

the LR leakage is there for a reason, to make you not able to linger there without a local resupply facility

[bitter monolith]

ok. i totally get it. i honestly dont linger there anyway because it looks gross xD

the fact i have to scour it for the ||sealant module and nickel and sulfur deposits|| is rough enough. it just seemed odd to have an effect meant to discourage staying in the area yet effectively forcing you to return to it and draw out the time spent there even longer xD

its fine, in the end there are ways around it

in the interests of your intent which is counter to mine, however

i should point out that ||camera drones do not suffer the drain||

if you really want to make it interesting, could add retrieving dead ones that may or may not even be marked anymore, would have to scan for them or something

or just give in that you are gonna lose a lot of them out there. maybe add a self-destruct if they are drained and sit in the water for too long?

[trail ether]

i noticed this and it is on my todo list

[trail ether]

...scour?

[bitter monolith]

oh, ok, weird story, i was scanning for one of them, and it would not register on the scanner, i even rebuilt the whole base station, and was floating about 150m away staring at some

i didnt bother pursuing that since i found some but i can troubleshoot that some more later

and i still gotta move around and establish new rooms! 😛

i do feel confident in saying that there is ||no sulfur on the entrance at the NW kelp trench|| since i performed multiple visual scans of the whole section up to the drop xD

[bitter monolith]

oh, or maybe add a resistant version to build? well, whichever!

[trail ether]

did you scan it with the handheld scanner?

[bitter monolith]

i am quite certain i did. ill go back to that later and update you if im not dumb and it was real

[civic grotto]

Is there any way to improve performance in C2C? After the most recent update, my framerates appears to have halved

[shell drift]

You could try clear000

[civic grotto]

in game in the command thing?

[shell drift]

In the console by pressing Enter, yeah

It removes any objects spawned at coordinates 0,0,0 which may reduce lag

[civic grotto]

So I tried that and it doesnt seem to close it

I was talking about this earlier

[bitter monolith]

i dont believe it

[civic grotto]

wwhich when I try I get this

[civic grotto]

I dont either because it doesnt seem to get me out of it so I can play the game to see if what I ran worked lol

Wait hold on, it seemed to work this time for some reason

[bitter monolith]

so, i sometimes get a bunch of lag when i load up a save game because my base is near a geyser, and when the game loads it would seem all the minerals that settled get re-dropped into it all at once, and so the game which was just fine when i saved and quit, suddenly lags like crazy when i go back to it. i usually go creative and suffer through the lag until i clear the area, then save and relaunch and that usually helps

[civic grotto]

Alright so having done some testing after running the code, after having a camera drone within scanning range (non-reaper leviathan things near it are able to be scanned at this distance) be right up next to a reaper, it still appears like they dont show up as an option to select as a target

hold on, I'm gonna backup my save and do some testing

Aright I spawned one in 300m from my scanner room, well within its fully upgraded range, went right next to it with a camera drone, and it did not appear on the list

idk I'm stumped, I might just have to deal with it

[trail ether]

....only having updated?

[civic grotto]

It does seem to have resolved more or less now btw, the framerate that is

[trail ether]

weird

[bitter monolith]

just curious, but what were you trying to do?

[civic grotto]

Was trying to forcefully add reaper leviathans to the scannable list, because for me it seems like regardless of the config, I don’t have them as a scannable target, even though I’ve scanned them

[bitter monolith]

uhh ... something tells me this was not the intended result from this interaction

[trail ether]

nomaybe

where is this

N bkelp?

also it is supposed to require power

[trail ether]

overall yes it is intended

[bitter monolith]

NW kelp entrance yeah

ive got a base behind me which theoretically is in range to provide power

well ok then!

is there a special way to find the smaller pieces, then?

or do i just have to look elsewhere

[trail ether]

read the pda page on the rock crusher

[bitter monolith]

...

i need you to stop putting information in the information area of the game, its entirely counter-intuitive xD

[shell drift]

What? I mean one of the big things about this mod is using information and connecting the dots with no explicit instructions, of course the pda databank will be utilized a lot.

[bitter monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-oh-and-by-the-way-i-was-being-sarcastic-homer-simpson-gif-10636671982346477652

[shell drift]

Oh lmao my bad

Hard to tell through text

[bitter monolith]

s'ok, my autism agrees, lol

[shell drift]

Mine too lol

[bitter monolith]

i just feel bad when i force reika to tell me to read the pda

again

[trail ether]

including a coming soon page

not as in a page about stuff coming soon

but a page that is coming soon

[shell drift]

cool! Can't wait to read all about it

[trail ether]

you think it feels bad when you get told to read the PDA now...

there will come a time where if you have not read and internalized the majority of the PDA information, you will regret so immediately

[loud python]

Is the ||silver|| scarcity intended to force you to mine around the ||dunes||?

Because it worked

[trail ether]

no i have other ways of making you go there

repeatedly

[loud python]

Yeah, it's one of the places you should make an outpost at

[trail ether]

definitely

my last playthrough I made five outpost bases

this time around only two

[loud python]

Speaking of which, I finally figured out why you added ||damage done to the player when picking azurite||

||It makes reapers actually dangerous by making you be at risk of being at one-hit-kill hp.||

Makes a lot of sense!

[civic grotto]

Huh, Im trying to get my game to run better but it doesnt seem theres any graphics settings anymore?

[civic grotto]

"silver scarcity"

My 15 silver ingots in my base:

[loud python]

HOW

God damn wiring kits got me starving for that shit

[shell drift]

Yeah tbh I think rng might just be bad for you, I've not had any issues with silver amounts in terms of collecting via sandstone outcrops

[loud python]

Is there RNG involved? I thought the game used a "resource bucket" system that made that a non-issue

[shell drift]

I'm pretty sure outcrop drops are down to a percentage

lemmie look it up rq

[loud python]

Then maybe that's it

But i think the problem was that I stuck to kelp forests/plateaus/shallows for sandstone outcrops

[shell drift]

Gold - 25%
Lead - 37.5%
Silver Ore - 37.5%

[loud python]

I had no idea there were so many in the dunes

[trail ether]

...no

[trail ether]

same

I posted an image like three days in where I had more silver than fit in a locker

same for many other materials

[trail ether]

it is RNG but a biased one

one that actively tries to force itself towards the desired averages

when I wrote a similar randomizer for ChromatiCraft I described it as "RNG as if the gambler's fallacy was actually true"

in SN they just call it FairRandomizer

[civic grotto]

Am I just crazy

I could have sword SN used to have graphics options beyond resolution and fullscreen

[trail ether]

many cannot be accessed except from main menu

[civic grotto]

I meant on the main menu

mb

[loud python]

Well it ended up working that way, which is nice, lol

[pastel fox]

when the leviathan will have a model and textures

[pastel fox]

where i can find Captain´s Quarters Door Code?

[unreal flame]

read your PDA logs

[sudden raven]

what are all of the stuff i need for this? If possible could anyone send a list like this:
QMOD Manager 4.44
SMLHelper

[bitter monolith]

ask for help getting started with mods in here: https://discord.com/channels/324207629784186882/324210292194279424

[sudden raven]

wouldnt it make more sense to ask in here tho?

[bitter kraken]

QModManager
SMLHelper
ECC Library
Dragon Industries
Auroresource
AqueousEngineering
Ecocean
Exscansion
Reefbalance
Sea to Sea
And optionally: Terrain Patcher

[sudden raven]

thx

[sudden raven]

so these sgould be right?

[bitter kraken]

Yes

Why are most of them in ZIPs tho? Or is it a vortex thing?

[sudden raven]

vortex import thing

gets called zip if its downloaded as a zip?

also this one

is this how its supposed to look?

[bitter kraken]

No

[sudden raven]

something went wrong

but i have the right stuff installed?

[bitter kraken]

Did you have QMods installed before?

[sudden raven]

yuh

it was the first thing i enabeld

[bitter kraken]

I dont really know much about vortex, havent used it before, so cant help you that much, sorry
But it looks like QMod itself just doesnt work

Did it work before?

[sudden raven]

i think so

i havnt used it since the latest update

[bitter kraken]

What version of subnautica are you on?

[sudden raven]

legacy

could it be the wrong Qmod?

[bitter kraken]

No, i think that you are using the latest one

At least the mods tab should have appeared

[sudden raven]

yeah

[sudden raven]

im using legacy

i could try manually

like without vortex

[bitter kraken]

Nono, i mean like latest version of qmod

[bitter kraken]

If you want to

[sudden raven]

oooh

yeah its the latest qmod verison

4.44

[bitter kraken]

Always thought that doing it manually is just much easier

[sudden raven]

yeah

i think so too tbh

but i took a break from sb and forgot how to mod manualy

[shell drift]

It's not too hard

[bitter kraken]

Eh, its pretty easy

[sudden raven]

yeah ik

but i didnt get it to work when i treid and was told to use vortex

[shell drift]

I believe there are installation instructions in the qmod files

[sudden raven]

oh ok

[bitter kraken]

And its still easy even without that

[sudden raven]

but what about this

is this the wrong one?

[bitter kraken]

Hold on let me check

Looks good

[sudden raven]

aight

[bitter kraken]

Alright, just open the zip if you still have it and put everything you see inside in into the subnautica folder

[sudden raven]

so you got any idea what the problem is+

aight

[bitter kraken]

Nope tbh, something with QMods

[sudden raven]

oh this might be the problem

i thought nexus removed and added them as i turned them on/off

[bitter kraken]

That all looks.. Fine?

[sudden raven]

then its realy wierd

[bitter kraken]

Lets just reinstall it

[sudden raven]

ill just wait til reika is online and ask ig

[sudden raven]

imma try that in while

[trail ether]

this looks like you downloaded their source code

[sudden raven]

oooh

where?

cuz like

that was made by nexus

[bitter monolith]

not really, because by the question you asked, you dont have ANY mods working at all. best to start there, then come here

also, i personally dont like nexus, i just slap all the mods into the game folder, works like a charm

get your C2C downloads from here: https://reikakalseki.github.io/subnautica/index.html

[sudden raven]

aight

but i do have all of the mods allready tho

[bitter monolith]

does the bepinex console window pop up when you launch subnautica

try checking your logs

@trail ether this time i think i did it right but...

[sudden raven]

nope

[bitter monolith]

bepinex version should be 5.4.22.0, qmod is 4.4.4.0, smlhelper 2.15.0

obviously that doesnt include reikas mods themselves

those are the downloads for the versions i launch with

well technically the tweaks and config manager arent required, but they are helpful to have in there. nor is the radial tabs required by the code, but youll definitely need it as the menus get quite big

[sudden raven]

i shouldnt need bepinex for it tho, its on legacy?

[bitter kraken]

QMod works on BepInEx

[sudden raven]

oooh

[bitter kraken]

And comes with it pre-installed

[sudden raven]

hold on let my reinstall everything manualy

[bitter monolith]

https://www.nexusmods.com/subnautica/mods/1108?tab=posts

[sudden raven]

so now ive enabled bep in ex

well

whats wrong?

[bitter kraken]

Alright, QMod works, thats good
Please send me the log

[bitter monolith]

in your game folder, toss in your log

[sudden raven]

oooh

[bitter kraken]

Oooooh

Alright then

[bitter monolith]

well heyo

[sudden raven]

makes a whole lotta sense

ik something is wrong with my log, ive heard i got like 20 errors

[bitter monolith]

im not sure how to check the versions of reikas mods, but if vortex/nexus whatever youre using doesnt have the latest versions, you can get them from her site https://reikakalseki.github.io/subnautica/index.html

[sudden raven]

yeah im downloading the new ones rn

this should be the latest

so this

why did that happen?

idk where to see the information in the log, could anyone cheack for me?

[trail ether]

no but i need to create a way for this to make logical sense

[bitter monolith]

try loading your game anyway and see if it tells you if one of the other mods are out of date?

[sudden raven]

nope

[sudden raven]

reika do you have any idea why that happens?

[trail ether]

why what happens

[sudden raven]

this thing

[sudden raven]

idk if this is supposed to happen

you also instantly unlock this

[shell drift]

Oh that weird thing with your pda that sticks to your hand if you start/load a world? That happens to me all the time, it goes away if you open your pda

[sudden raven]

Oh ok

[sudden raven]

so with this the LE is just a visual bug, you aperently only need the mushrooms

[shell drift]

No, there are two categories: Chemistry and Bioprocessor. You're looking at the bioprocessor crafting category, the chemistry crafting category has the other, earlygame recipie

[sudden raven]

Ooooh ok

i need so many mushrooms 😔

[sudden raven]

How do i get Rare Elements?

like how do i unlock it?

[trail ether]

asking this many questions for the literal entry-level materials is not a good sign

[bitter monolith]

You should maybe play vanilla subnautica a bit or something

[shell drift]

Yeah, C2C's target audience are people who have played vanilla a few times and who want: "More subnautica in their subnautica" if you know what I mean

[pastel fox]

how can i use liquid breathing recharger?

[bitter monolith]

it recharges your liquid breathing system

[pastel fox]

How can i get liquid breathing system?

[unreal flame]

databoxes

[bitter monolith]

explore the whole dang map and read your PDA entries

its not something you need to worry about

[pastel fox]

Ty

And what about oxygen depletion faster when I'm below 300m

[bitter monolith]

what does the PDA say

[pastel fox]

Idk

[civic grotto]

anyone else have no graphics quality settings in main menu?

[bitter monolith]

?

[civic grotto]

I'll have to send a screenshot tomorrow, but when I go into the settings its just the general settings

[brave fox]

how long does the ||kharaa symptom alleviation|| thing last?

[sudden raven]

no but like i dont have the blueprint For it, and i cant seem to figure out how to get it, since i need to build a habititat builder

[sudden raven]

ive beaten normal subnautica multible times

[trail ether]

2.5h on easy mode, 45 min on hard

[sudden raven]

could you atleast tell me if i get it in a databox or do i have to scan it?

[bitter monolith]

what do you need it for?

look at the vanilla recipes

you should be able to guess from there

[sudden raven]

yeah ive already found out how to do it

[gilded nova]

can you change to hardmode after you started a run?

[loud python]

I don't think it's supposed to, but it happens to me every time I load the game, goes away as soon as I open the pDA

[loud python]

the general advice here is "read the pda". The entries are consistent with the locations of resources.

For instance, you can get chlorine right of the get go

It's a bit obvious, really

but if you play assuming everything is like vanilla, you'll be like me and be chlorine-less for liek 15 hours

[sudden raven]

yeah ive allready figurded it out, but it says nothing abt it in the pda

[loud python]

It does!

||The entry for table corals mentions that they have trace elements essential for microchip or computer fabrication, or something along those lines.||

[sudden raven]

oh

well i dont scan stuff

i prolly should d o that

[sudden raven]

yuh

thru commands

but you wont get any advanchments

[gilded nova]

you mean vanilla? im talking about c2c isnt that a config option or does c2c have its own achievmenets

[shell drift]

As much as I wish it did, C2C does not have it's own acheivements.

[sudden raven]

oh

i meant for vanila achivments

[trail ether]

hardcore or C2C hard mode

[gilded nova]

c2c hard mode

[trail ether]

then yes you can change it, as it does not change very many unlocks

and nothing critical

[gilded nova]

thx

[sudden raven]

Is this something i can like deconstruct?

[trail ether]

no

[sudden raven]

so is there like any point for it?

[gilded nova]

maybe to get the tech for farming outside earlier

[sudden raven]

maybe

but i cant scan anything

[unreal flame]

Have a look around

[gilded nova]

jeez the amount of lubricant u need

and the plants are 2x2 yikes

[bitter monolith]

they make for excellent external base lighting though

[gilded nova]

what does the there is more to explore prompt actually refer to?

technology?#

[bitter monolith]

i feel like it is vague on purpose

could be tech, could be a POI, who knows

[upper dock]

It just means there's some object of interest left in that area

that may or may not be mandatory, but is certainly helpful

[civic grotto]

I dont know why this is

[gilded nova]

what mods did u install

[gilded nova]

finally got the mobile vehicle bay what a grind 😄

[bitter monolith]

yeah id try launching with no mods and see what happens? if youve tried that, do a file verification for subnautica in steam

[shell drift]

If that doesnt work you gotta do a clean install, you do that by going to the game directory and renaming the "Subnautica" file (under steam/steamapps/common) to "Faulty_subnautica" or anything that isn't the original name, once you do that uninstall and re-install the game. If you have some save files you wish to keep, back those up because EVERYTHING will be reset.

[loud python]

You should be able to scan the exterior growthbed, allowing you to farm acid musrhooms, so you don't deplete the population making batteries

If you can't scan it, it's a bug or a conflict with another mod

[sudden raven]

oh ok

[civic grotto]

alright, my qmods folder is empty, ran it, still no settings, so I'm gonna do the file verification

Yeah that didnt help, beyond Qmods and saves is there anything else I should pull before reinstalling?

should I grab the bepinex folder, or just reinstall that after the fresh install

[bitter monolith]

well your save games are in SNAppData

If you have mods that are heavily customized or configured you might want to snag those config files at least

but yeah id redownload everything after

[steep rivet]

how do i get these robots for the mvb?

[loud python]

what exactly does the electrochemical suit do?

[gilded nova]

|| Try looking deeper in the kelp forest||

[steep rivet]

||how deep?||

[gilded nova]

complete spoiler following

|| Its in a cave next to the underground geysir in the kelp forest||

[steep rivet]

||close to lp3?||

[gilded nova]

what is that

[steep rivet]

lifepod

there?

[loud python]

||Find the geyser on the safe shallows. The cave entrance is in the kelp forest and it connects to that geyser, so once you find that geyser, find the closest kelp forest and explore the walls where it borders with the safe shallows.||

Your PDA will give you a clue the first time you're near.

[steep rivet]

kk

[loud python]

You have probably already heard it and forgot, tho

[steep rivet]

there?

[loud python]

||That's the geyser, yeah. The cave we're talking about should be nearby.||

||Hell, I'm pretty sure you cna reach it from within the geyser,||

[steep rivet]

why does it needs 1 power cell each

AND 1 MOTOR

[loud python]

If you don't like taking a while to create crucial pieces of equipment

C2C is not for you

[steep rivet]

ok, i will do this

[bitter monolith]

exactly? ||lets you pick up azurite without hurting yourself||, and ||prevents the lost river brine effect from damaging the player||

i think both are manageable without the suit, if you are careful

although you should certainly have it by the time you are encountering the latter issue anyway

[loud python]

Hrmm

[gilded nova]

yep that took a while to grind

feels like gregtech for subnautica

i love it

[loud python]

I mean that's not useless at all. ||It'll help with not having to carry an inventory's worth of FA kits when gatherting azurite||

But it's a bit disappointing tbh.

How tf do I repair the aurora? I'm just so confused. Game tells me I need fire resistant equipment, but I can't find the materials for the reinforced suit

[shell drift]

You don't need that, just go to the drive core room

[loud python]

oh

wonderful.

So i've been scanning every inch of the game in vain

cool, cool

[shell drift]

However you will need it in terms of COMPLETLEY exploring the aurora

[gilded nova]

||yay i caught an azurite plant ||

[steep rivet]

where does the new biomes of the game spawn?

[shell drift]

that is for you to discover yourself, but I will say that the game does point you towards all 3 of them

[unreal flame]

protects u against electro and chemical

[steep rivet]

by signals?

[shell drift]

for two of them, yes

[steep rivet]

k, motor part is done

now i need 4 gold and 4 titanium

[gilded nova]

any way to improve performance seem to be pretty cpu bottlenecked only getting 90-100 fps

[steep rivet]

is this seatosea feature? please dont start this creepypasta again

[bitter monolith]

||abandoned bases from other crash survivors of the aurora, adds a little flavor, as in, they started to do what youre doing but got disappeared :O||

its all in the PDA logs tbf

[steep rivet]

i have no ai survivors mod :D

||but there is none close to the lifepod 13?||

[bitter monolith]

oh, yes, its part of C2C. not guaranteed everywhere

[steep rivet]

do not let the last bacon see this mod

[unreal flame]

There’s a Subnautica Creepypasta now?

[steep rivet]

you know the last bacon?

[loud python]

If you've ever youtubed "Subnautica" you gotta

The algorithm won't let you avoid it

tbf he's pretty entretaining

[steep rivet]

youre not alone creepypasta

[loud python]

I don't think this is what you mean, but I ocacionally get a mean stutter.

Seems to happen when I am near certain wrecks, usually around reapers for some reason

Or when I load my game and I am in my seabase

If I go somewhere else, save and relaunch the game, the stutter goes away even if I go back to my base

[steep rivet]

what are these? (||blue plants that look like its for the azurite battery||)

[shell drift]

Uhm, those plants are not for azurite batteries, you'll find out what they're for if you can collect them

[steep rivet]

how i do it?

the pda dont give any tips

wait

nothing but how that thing got destroyed

how do i get it?

[shell drift]

Try figuring it out for yourself, study their behaviour and see how you can "outsmart" it

[steep rivet]

maybe by getting close and staying still

[loud python]

It's another of those "Ffs, was it THAT obvious!?" things you spend hours trying to figure out before you realize

Just in case you want to avoid falling into the trap I did

||No, you do not need to get the static rifle to harvest them.||

[steep rivet]

seaglide not work

swim backyard dont work

[steep rivet]

can u give at least a tip :-

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/LTc2YWL.png https://i.imgur.com/3AaUUkK.png 😛

you are more right than you know

[steep rivet]

what?

[trail ether]

start reading the PDA

[steep rivet]

wich entry

i may have understood but thats too hard to do

[upper dock]

It's nowhere near as intense as Gregtech lol, but I can definitely see the comparison

Gregtech made me go insane and realize I don't like tech packs lmao

[steep rivet]

if this one didnt make you go insane, and this other one did, i will definetely explode if i use this other one

[steep rivet]

wich entry do i read?

[trail ether]

everything you get

[steep rivet]

the plant one?

or the ||mountain crew||

[bitter monolith]

yes

[loud python]

The PDA entry for the alkali vines has the information you need

[gilded nova]

yeah same but the general fps level is really bad for my hardware

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/j6Ul3G7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/H4eTxeO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/H5zWQ00.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/H9JN0a3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EppRuhs.jpg https://i.imgur.com/uEj3K4s.jpg

[bitter monolith]

😱

[shell drift]

Have fun travelling from sea to sea!

[trail ether]

this is not an additional task

it is just a visualizer and general hint guide for a task you already have

[gilded nova]

oh no water filtration machine is expensive

but it will be so nice once i have it

is the scanner room behaviour somehow changed? It shows mostly stuff that is a few hundred meters away but nothing in proxmity

i feel like i shouldnt be seeing stuff this far away without any range upgrades

[trail ether]

the limestone in the red grass is only found in some places

also the object does have to havebeen loaded

[gilded nova]

fair