SeaToSea

[trail ether]

                if (teeth < 6 && consistent && healthy && potentialBiomes.Contains(BiomeRegions.Kelp)) {
                    bool single = potentialBiomes.Count == 1;
                    foreach (Stalker s in stalkers) {
                        float f = dT*stalkerToyValue*0.00012F*(1+2*s.Happy.Value)*(single ? 1 : 0.2F);```

where f is the chance from 0 to 1

per frame

[bitter monolith]

oh shit, ive got shit

dunno what i did finally, but im not touching that for a while lol

[trail ether]

there is a new update being built right now

https://i.imgur.com/UZ26Jio.png

it will have more info in the ACU terminal

but I also adjusted carnivore "values"

[bitter monolith]

ooOOooh

[upper dock]

glad to see all these ACU improvements

really nice work

[bitter monolith]

i would suggest listing the ||void spikes as being 600m down instead of 500m||, i get out there with a mk2 and i can barely see it render

[trail ether]

it is not moving

[sudden raven]

where would i find the info for this mof?

[bitter kraken]

Surprised that there is not download link pinned
https://reikakalseki.github.io/subnautica/index.html

[sudden raven]

thx

wich ones would you recomend?

[bitter kraken]

They are all required

[sudden raven]

aight thx

wpuldnt it be better to put all in the same one in that case

[bitter kraken]

Not really

There are particular reasons on why this was done

[sudden raven]

oh ok

Sorted alphabeticly

D comes before A

[bitter kraken]

DI is the main library, i suppose thats why its on top

[sudden raven]

oh that makes sense

[sudden raven]

i have downloaded all of those, what are the rest of the recruitments

requirements*

nvm found it

but does it have to be in legacy?

nvm found that to, i should prob read before i ask for help

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/wllWpoa.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Fxm7r7r.jpg https://i.imgur.com/DYXyple.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Ibb4axN.jpg

[bitter monolith]

does this make them happy without flooding the ACU with teeth?

or is this a dedicated teeth-collecting device lol

[trail ether]

this makes them much more likely to drop teeth yes

also keeps them happier

[upper dock]

that's a fun solution

[bitter monolith]

im noticing that when i boot back up a save game that my laser cutter with the azurite battery is always back to 100% charge

[trail ether]

wtf

[loud python]

I feel so bad keeping aliens in such small aquariums

I miss the big room to make decent sized aquariums 😦

[bitter monolith]

funny story: saved my game in the void spikes, upon reloading it i was spawned very deep and waaaay off to the northeast of the map

or maybe north, im bad at directions with no compass >_>

[trail ether]

this is known

but does not happen to me

meaning I cannot debug it

[bitter monolith]

fair enough lol

[loud python]

I give up, can anyone give me a hint on where to find ||mercury ore?|| I just can't find any.

[bitter monolith]

i ended up putting scanner rooms every few hundred meters until pinging the right spot

where are you looking?

[loud python]

So far: Crag field, great reef, mountains, dunes, floating islands (||couldn't get to the crystal forest, it's to deep and I have no tech to go that deep||), Jellyshroom caves, and musrhoom forest (The one between the dunes and the floating islands)

Bulb zone and crash site are next I guess. But i'd love some hints

Not super excited about the crash zone

[trail ether]

you got a pda hint on the matter

[coral dagger]

is there any way to get those hints to go into the databank? it's easy to miss them or forget what area they triggered in and they're one-time events only

[trail ether]

they do

like all messages

not the databank

but the record of all messages

tab left of ency

[coral dagger]

the message record goes there

but can't tell where it played

you just see "pda says xyz is here" but don't know where "here" is

i took to screenshotting them as they played but that feels clumsy

[trail ether]

fair but this is also true for the vanilla prompts

[coral dagger]

there's no location-specific materials in vanilla

as in, one biome only

if you miss the prompt for ruby or cyclops parts nbd as they're in tons of places across the map

vs c2c resources found only in one biome so much less likely to stumble upon if you miss the voice message

[bitter monolith]

yeah i was loaded down and dehydrated when i first got the prompt about the ||vehicle fabrication signatures||, took me a sec to rediscover the location after getting back to base but luckily i was directly between beacons at the time so it was a narrow search zone

[trail ether]

there are prompts for non-resource things

for example the LR prompts

[bitter monolith]

oh, the blueprints for ||nanowrap bandages and heat-sealed fabric|| did not unlock as i obtained the materials to obtain them, which was contrary to the wiki so i figured id mention it. there was one more which didnt, but i forgot which. helpful, i know xD

[trail ether]

the wiki is wrong

[loud python]

There's a wiki for C2C

?

Wait no, don't tell me

I must continue semi-blindly

[trail ether]

it is both incomplete and has many (usually minor) inaccuracies

and more importantly I do NOT want people following what amounts to a checklist or map

[loud python]

Oh no. No no no.

My game is crashing on loading

I knew that massive lag in the mountains was a bad signal.

God dammit I was 25 hours in

[trail ether]

keep trying

[unreal flame]

oh fun, this issue is still around

[bitter monolith]

yeah, sometimes my anxiety spikes a bit when im exploring the depths and i start to lose the possibility of a dopamine reward on finding stuff, so i tend to cut out some of the searching when i find that happening. so far the wiki has been helpful, to a degree, but not always lol

[loud python]

Oh god it worked!

Ty!

[loud python]

I went to the Aurora and got into the lab, where I downloaded some data from a terminarl and had a PDA message saying "Databank corruption was detected in your PDA, your technology blueprints have been updated." but I have no new blueprints, is this intended?

[trail ether]

yes

also that message is currently not working correctly because of my drive failure

will fix it when i can

[unreal flame]

oh yeah, you were in the middle of changing what goes there when the drive failed

[trail ether]

yes

[loud python]

Will I be able to get whatever I was supposed to get after the update? or am I screwed?

[trail ether]

it does not unlock a thing

the game functionality was - like always - the first thing to be implemented, and you already have it

the asset is what I lost in the hard drive failure

so the localization, PDA line, etc is all wrong

hence why it said #NULL in the captions

[loud python]

Finally! ||Mercury Ore!|| Literally in the last fucking place I looked (that I had access to)

Also I love what you did with the|| bulb zone caves||, the ||currents and heat|| make them a serious hazard in a different way that I don't think I had seen in the game.

[bitter monolith]

ive gone through so many medkits in the game, i am more creepvine than man now

[unreal flame]

yeah, it's stuff like this that sea to sea does really well

[loud python]

Does the small sonar (without clikcing the mouse) also ||attract reapers?||

[trail ether]

passive sonar?

why are you calling it "small sonar"

[civic grotto]

I'm still trying to figure out why I'm not able to scan for reapers with my scanner room

I have needing to scan them before being able to detect them in the scanner room turned off in the config

Does enabling hard mode override that or something?

[loud python]

Yeah, that one.
I have no idea why I said "small sonar"

[loud python]

Had the same issue

[civic grotto]

Also it appears that hoverfish are attempting to get ores in my acu but not stalkers?

[trail ether]

i do not think so

[trail ether]

so it is not even enabled

try scanning one anyway as a test

[trail ether]

???

hoverfish...ores?

[civic grotto]

Like how stalkers move towards things like titanium

I kid you not, the hover fish are smacking titanium around like a ball in the acu

[civic grotto]

I did, I have the entry

[trail ether]

just bumping into it does not surprise me

and has no "intent" behind it

[trail ether]

ok try setting that config true

[civic grotto]

No like they are chasing it around the acu in a swarm

Perhaps it’s the sea madness

[unreal flame]

Get a video

[civic grotto]

I will

[civic grotto]

https://medal.tv/games/subnautica/clips/1EGMlN8gWSFIYx/d1337WqWB3Eu?invite=cr-MSxhQlMsMTQ2NjMwMTA5LA

its towards the end

[civic grotto]

I set it to true, and sent a camera drone over by a reaper in the mountains which is within scanning range of my scanner room, its able to scan for the sunbeam debris next to it, and its not showing up on the list of options in the scanner room

Is there a way to force it to be on the list?

[loud python]

My solution was to just scan the damn thing.

If you can't get close, use console, commands "invisible", "Oxygen", go find a reaper, scan it, they won't attack you. Then go back to your base and type the same commands again to deactivate them

[barren oar]

they have the database entry though its already scanned

[loud python]

Ah... hmm

Sorry, i'm lost

btw, i'm encontering a problem. I have an ACU I want to turn into a creepvine forest. I have 4 creepvines there but it won't change colors or anything, and the computer still says "Safe shallows"

I'm trying to kill the creepvines to replant them, but they are invincible!

Am I doing something wrong?

[trail ether]

this is not convincing as it does not show the titanium being the cause - do they go to the other location if you move the titanium?

also

stalkers not actively picking up the titanium is normal

their AI is not modified

[trail ether]

no

[trail ether]

then you have something not from the kelp forest in the ACU

[trail ether]

creepvines, like all plants, can be killed with enough knife hits

[civic grotto]

Is there a command to remove the entry?

[civic grotto]

Yeah lemme move it and test it

[trail ether]

no

removing PDA entries is not possible

the system is not built for it

I tried for the ACU status page, removing it after you close the GUI

it resulted in either it never coming back or persisting but remaining empty

and the "have you scanned X" registry is different again from that

[civic grotto]

Hm, I might be just screwed out of that mechanic then

I might just have to live in constant fear while I'm in the mountains and dunes

Cause I dont really want to restart just to be able to scan

[civic grotto]

Is there a way to access or edit that registry?

[trail ether]

you can use the REPL console in the runtime editor to run whatever C# code you want on it

PDAScanner is the class name

[civic grotto]

I havent messed around subnautica much beyond basic console commands, is the REPL console seperate from that?

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/MyjeFWU.png

[trail ether]

it is part of a mod

lets you run arbitrary C# code

[civic grotto]

Ah, which mod is that?

[trail ether]

^

it is the bottom UI https://i.imgur.com/kPCL241.jpg

[civic grotto]

If its something I can run with just C2C and dependencies, how do I access it?

[silent marsh]

Google "Bepinex runtime editor"
Also "Unity Explorer" as an alternative. They both have a REPL that lets you execute arbitrary C# code while the game is running.

They're both bepinex mods, which work in any unity game

And they'll both be compatible with my BepInEx pack for Subnautica

The one in the screenshot is BepInEx runtime editor

Personally I prefer Unity Explorer but they'll both do the job

[loud python]

I've hit them like 50 times with the knife, they won't die

[trail ether]

then you are either hitting something else or you have mods interfering

[civic grotto]

Are you out of inventory space?

Cause I’ve found they don’t seem to take damage if you can’t take the drop

[loud python]

The only other mod I have is the one that makes glass cabinets have their contents shown.

I thought of the inventory thing, but that¿s not it.

[trail ether]

they still do

[chilly nimbus]

Hi @trail ether, I started playin Subnautica again after a few years, and am loving this mod and how it encourages a lot of exploration and to use all the tools at my disposal!

I wanted to report what I think is a bug: when Hard Mode is activated, it seems like solar panels continue to draw energy at night. I had a base at 60ish meters down with a single solar panel and no other sources, and it was filling enough energy to keep a scanner room running and stay topped off. I tried turning hard mode off on my save, and the effect stopped. My mod list is just your mods + autosave/radial tabs/quit to desktop

I started a new game in hard mode just to be sure and also noticed that the lifepod you start in seems to slowly get energy at night too

[trail ether]

ok i added thta to my todo

unrelated https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/975264185086787634/1176013068111712316/sonarplants.mp4?ex=656d5284&is=655add84&hm=9204c422229a1a55b37bd4891f287791bb9ac5fe554bf7cc0cb9964fd642f0cb&

[chilly nimbus]

That's cool as hell

[bitter monolith]

ive been getting tons of random FPS drops since the last mod update

obviously i dont know if its correlation or causation

[bitter monolith]

actually id say its pretty much a consistent performance drop

[bitter monolith]

it might be related to the kelp/sonar effect you showcase above, as the kelp renders i can see it briefly has the red sparkles which fade immediately, and i do not have any sonar equipped anywhere. my base is close to kelp, so i went a ways away and the performance improved

[trail ether]

it does involve adding a lot of GOs

but these GOs do not usually do anything on Update() and normally do not even have an active Renderer

but ok maybe i need a different approach

[chilly nimbus]

could that also be related to the "_SpecGlossMap" material? I've noticed a ton of messages about that not having a texture property in the BepInEx log when I go by the kelp

Also, I just discovered and explored the cave system in ||the mushroom tree|| which was such a cool experience

[trail ether]

that is due to ECCLibrary

which I use to apply the SN shaders to the primitive GOs used for those spots

[trail ether]

added a new cheaper impl - which one is used is configurable, with the default being the one I demonstrated yesterday, as it still looks better

but this one is just one GO per creepvine

much MUCH cheaper

[upper dock]

yeah, the other one looks a lot better but having a performance option is probably for the best

[trail ether]

I noticed no lag from the fancy version but I am on a new and strong PC so that may not mean much

[coral dagger]

what does this do? is it just decorative?

[upper dock]

makes it so sonar doesn't work as well in kelp/||glass|| forest

but it does also look nice

[trail ether]

there is also a standalone Sonar Flora entity that i have yet to add to spawn anywhere

not sure where I am going ot add it

[bitter monolith]

oh yes, previous implementation is far prettier. its strange because i wouldnt even really say my machine was being taxed, my GPU never clocked above 40%. i run minecraft with shaders, stream star citizen to my friends, etc. so i wouldnt say im behind by any means, and definitely not for a decade-old unity game

[trail ether]

what about RAM

lots of GOs tends to fill that

[bitter monolith]

nah, RAM is fine, ive got 16GB and subnautica doesnt use more than a couple

i just tested by completely removing ecocean(and seatosea as a result) and my performance goes right back to where it was before the update

putting it all back, even with the fancy option disabled, drops me down to potato levels

[trail ether]

wtf

then it must be something else

[bitter monolith]

the drop quite literally was like flicking a switch with the v54 update. if i had a backup of v53 id test, but alas, i am not in the habit of doing that

i agree, i have no issues rendering anything, sparkly red or blue or what

[trail ether]

are you sure it is ecocean

because the sonar noise is the only thing v54 added

[bitter monolith]

very certain, i pulled all your mods and and added them back one by one, ecocean was next to last before c2c and thats when it popped back up

[trail ether]

ok

[trail ether]

look for Adding cheap creepvine sonar halo in the log

how many copies are there

and are they continuing to be added after you finish loading an area with creepvine

[bitter monolith]

apologies, but, which log? and do i have to enable extra debugging to get those messages, because i dont see them in the qmodmanager log

[trail ether]

no the default qmm log will have it

one per creepvine, when the fancy option is disabled

also

one thing that might be broken is the cleanup code

since there was a release with the fancy option being the only option, which would persistently add the GOs, I added some code that would remove it from existing creepvine

if this is failing then all those GOs are persisting

the way to be sure is to install runtime editor and select a creepvine

does it have a child GO with SonarFloraTag on it

which in turn will have >100 SonarBlob child objects

[chilly nimbus]

Hello, I was also having the stuttering/lag issue, which visually is better after the last patch and turning off the fancy creepvines. When I first entered the creepvine field I got 199 instances of "Adding cheap creepvine sonar halo"

I turned around and went about 50 meters away, and then came back and got 155 instances. I don't know if that counts as the area reloading or not

[trail ether]

it will redo it each time it reloads yes

[chilly nimbus]

Okay. Got it. I also saw a visualization of all the kelp getting little sonar bursts even though I don't have any sonar equipment

[trail ether]

it should not create new GOs each time though

[trail ether]

when they first load they do that yes

[chilly nimbus]

Okay, I'm now just sitting still in a kelp field and getting messages like these that continue without stopping

Stack trace:
ReikaKalseki.Ecocean.CreepvineSonarScatterer.Update () (at <542dbcc464644a0dad6ef3814628d8ad>:0)```

(I dunno if this is helpful information or not)

[trail ether]

it is

since exceptiojns are expensive

and maybe that is the cause of the lag

[trail ether]

is that with fancy on or off

[chilly nimbus]

That's with it off. I can turn it on and try again

[bitter monolith]

I just cleared the log, loaded a new game, spun around in a circle in my shallows base, then quit the game.

[trail ether]

aha

found an exception cause

[trail ether]

do you see something like this persisting when turning on cheap mode https://i.imgur.com/00mmpKO.jpg

[bitter monolith]

actually, after the new update and enabling cheap mode, i did not have a visual indicator at all when the kelp spawned in, but the performance drop persisted

[trail ether]

wtf

[bitter monolith]

but even then, no, the red sparkle would disappear immediately

[trail ether]

i just tested both directions and the proper GOs were created and destroyed

[trail ether]

I was talking about the child objects

like I mentioned earlier

embed https://i.imgur.com/UDZZ8Ph.jpg

notice how the sonarflora and all the blob objects are removed when going from fancy to cheap mode

does that not happen for you

plus

if you are having lag and there is not even either rendering object on it then I really have no idea

aside from the exception which i just fixed

[bitter monolith]

sorry, its been a long work day, and my processing skills are worse than normal given that i stared at code all day for very little reason other than my own morbid curiosity xD

im going to have to boot it all up and test, maybe get some video

[bitter monolith]

ok

this is a video clip of the game performance without ecocean or seatosea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q430xaBhcg

and with them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cfg_-seoaU

you can even see a flash of the sonar render at :45ish

i tried to do pretty much the same actions so you can side-by-side them

[marsh spear]

love when new expensive graphical effects are added (my 10fps are going to drop to 2)

[trail ether]

the cheap one should have no meaningful impact

[bitter monolith]

the most bizarre aspect is that it doesn't even seem to be graphically related

my RAM and GPU never exceed operating norms

[unreal flame]

Something that uses up processing time, but doesn’t fully utilize processing power, then?

[bitter monolith]

possibly? i mean, id be glad to see other people test it out and report their experience xD

[bitter monolith]

@unreal flame do you by chance have a version of the C2C (and possibly Ecocean) mods from Friday or earlier?

im stressing poor Reika out and i figure a nuclear test might be the way to go

[unreal flame]

last sunday

[bitter monolith]

two days sunday, or nine days sunday?

[unreal flame]

the 12th

[bitter monolith]

that just might work. do you have a dropbox?

or wait, you can just drop me the DLL for starters

_<

if you would, kindly, please

[slender stone]

change the settings in Ecocean_Config.xml. Fancy Creepvine Sonar = False. and you will be happy

[trail ether]

he has been having lag issues even with that off

and for that matter the issue has moved around and changed apparent causes

making it a nightmare to track down

i wish SN had a profiler

[marsh spear]

would this be any help

https://github.com/BepInEx/BepInEx.Debug

[trail ether]

will that profile code paths

the way VisualVM does for java

something like this https://i.imgur.com/2fPZ7zk.png

[marsh spear]

I haven't used it so I'm not sure

[bitter kraken]

(Some small i think mid-game spoilers)
Alright, i dont know how to use this thing. I cant scan it, i cant repair it. But now its in my base placed as a deco!
Because it just looks wonderful for some reason

[trail ether]

how did you pick it up

and it should have been scannable

do you have a mod messing with both of those properties

I have no issue with it being able to be picked up and placed as deco - in fact I like that - but whatever gave you that ability probably also broke its scannability

[frank scaffold]

@trail ether I only figured it out recently but congratulations on bringing back old unused items from BZ

[bitter kraken]

Propulsion cannon
You can also do the same thing with the ||crate in the mushroom degasi base, with the plasteel ingot||

[trail ether]

oh

so not a mod

and not going to break scannability

[trail ether]

whuich item

[bitter kraken]

Im not sure why scannability is broken. When did you add the ||tablet fragment||?

[frank scaffold]

The red and white tablets where originally going to be used in below zero. If you use a code to play an old version of BZ you can give yourself the red and white alen tablet

[bitter kraken]

Im actually surprised that ||normal broken purple tablet|| is not in the decor mod tbh

[bitter kraken]

They are also in the base subnautica

[frank scaffold]

Really?

Interesting

[bitter kraken]

You can even obtain them in vanilla with cheats
However, ||the fragment|| is indeed custom

[frank scaffold]

Interesting

[bitter kraken]

Alright then i shall now just unlock it with cheats

[trail ether]

before the first release

[bitter kraken]

Have you ever updated it after the 21st version?

[trail ether]

?

[bitter kraken]

Have you ever updated the ||tablet fragment|| in any way after update like 30? Because maybe an update just broke it for me because i havent updated for a while

[unreal flame]

wait, so you picked up the fragments with the propulsion cannon and put it in your inventory?

how'd you place it indoors?

[bitter monolith]

could bring it in via moonpool

very interesting though

[bitter kraken]

Yes, exactly, but without the inventory part

[unreal flame]

oh, you brought it through a moonpool.

[bitter kraken]

I just picked it up with a propulsion cannon and bringed it to the base, then, as cnoTe suggested - put it through the moonpool

[unreal flame]

does putting it outside let you scan it?

[bitter kraken]

No, it was originally in a particular biome outside

Like idk 500m from my base

[trail ether]

I have never touched it

[bitter monolith]

has anyone else had their ||geyser filter|| make a sound when it was full and being hit?

hit by a ||geyser||, specifically

[trail ether]

is it a high pitched sound

[bitter monolith]

it is

[trail ether]

here is the culprit https://i.imgur.com/W0lQkgt.png

can fix by removing error sound

[spiral coyote]

Hello, i am having some issues with performance. I think it is related to some new things being added, but i'm not sure.

This error is spammed and i encounter a series of lagspikes

It only seems to happen when the kelp forest is rendered

i'm not entirely sure as to what this is, but looking at past posts, this seems to be something related to a sonar?

it is only visible for a single frame, and is accompanied with a massive lag spike

I've been checking the qmodmanager log, and i seem to have some errors regarding textures

one example is on line 11988

[SMLHelper/Error] Error on LoadTextureFromFile call. File not found at F:\Program Files (x86)\Steam2\steamapps\common\Subnautica\QMods\SeaToSea\Textures/Items/World/T2battery_BumpMap.png

i'll try to send more details if i can upon request

[spiral coyote]

I will not be able to respond for another 16-17 hours, seeing as I have to sleep and go to school and what not.

[chilly nimbus]

If you haven't seen the messages, going into the Ecocean config file and changing the last entry "Fancy Creepvine Sonar" from True to False might help

I'm still getting some lag but it's a lot better with that setting

[civic grotto]

You guys think it’s possible to build a base in the sparse reef with thermal generators for power?

I’d like to build one in the grand reef but I think the thermal vents are too deep for me since I can only go 300m rn

[civic grotto]

Sorry for the really late ping, but how do I add Reaper Leviathan to scanned registry using bepinex runtime editor?

Or sorry, unity runtime editor

[civic grotto]

Like I'm not sure how to even open the menu

[ebon vigil]

random load with this mod pakc causes now the game to crash when entering seamoth no error code receiveed

nvm now it's fixed itself??????

fuck it im just gonna pretend this enver happened

[trail ether]

F7 to open the GUI

at least for me

and then call PDAScanner.Add() or something like that

not able to check the code atm because I am at work

[chilly nimbus]

This was requested before, but does anyone else happen to have some pre-Nov 19th builds of C2C and ecocean that they could share?

[loud python]

why? what happened on nov 19?

[chilly nimbus]

Sonar update. The recent patch helps a lot, but I'm still experiencing meaningful enough lag around kelp fields that I'd like the option to roll back a bit while the causes are being explored (if that's possible to do)

[trail ether]

the cheap version should have no meaningful lag

[bitter monolith]

sent ya a DM

[civic grotto]

And then just the name of the entity?

[trail ether]

the TechType of the thing that you would scan

in this case TechType.ReaperLeviathan

[spiral coyote]

oh my god thank you so much i can now play the game

[bitter kraken]

Is there supposed to be something?
(Some after-gun spoilers)

[bitter monolith]

yes. for unknown reasons, those items can take a while to spawn? at least, they did for me

first time around it took quiiiite a while, second time around it was maybe 1-2m

first time i ended up messing around with a combination of leaving the area, revisiting with cameras, saving/reloading, etc. until they finally appeared. dont know if any of that actually worked or was what contributed to it taking so long, tbh

second time i just sat there but they did appear much faster than the first time

[civic grotto]

Thats a very dangerous prospect when theres a reaper nearby

[marsh spear]

that happened for me too. so I just turned on invisibility and oxygen cheats while I waited

That's not intended behavior by the way- supposed to be instant as soon as they're pinged by the scanner room

[bitter monolith]

part of the reason why i am now quite a bit better at dodging reapers on a seaglide xD

my nearby moonpool base was used to respawn more tha nonce

[civic grotto]

I'm in hardcore 💀

[bitter monolith]

decoys yo, lol

[trail ether]

has anyone tested EasyCraft alongside C2C recipes

and made sure it does not spawn or void items in the process

[marsh spear]

I did, it seemed to work fine

[bitter monolith]

yep ive been using it without issue

[upper dock]

Yeah, I used it fine

I think I had it void a few pieces of material once or twice with one of the super complex recipes with multiple steps?

there's also a funny thing where it allows you to uncraft an ingot without having any ingots

but it doesn't actually create new material, it crafts your existing material into an ingot and then immediately uncrafts it

[trail ether]

so it works fine on the "pull ingredients from seabase" part but the recursive crafting part is broken

alright I know that is an option so i will just disable that from code

[upper dock]

yeah, could be that

I definitely never had it fuck up on the single-step recipes

[trail ether]

my biggest concern was crafting things without using the ingredients, or using up too many ingredients

[upper dock]

but I think I had it do weird stuff a couple times on stuff like, craft motor -> use motor in another recipe

I don't think it ever gave me anyhing free, but I think I had it eat a piece of titanium or copper here and there

[trail ether]

had someone report that it crafted a thing they could not actually afford, and someone else report that it used too much of a thing

[trail ether]

during recursive or even doing "pull from nearby"?

[upper dock]

I'm not sure exactly what recursive means, but it was always if I tried to do multi-step recipes in a single step

[trail ether]

that is what I meant

[upper dock]

so like, crafting a ||nanolathe drone|| without crafting the motors first

it would work but i'm pretty sure it used more resources than it should

any time I was doing a simpler recipe it worked fine

[unreal flame]

Recursive crafting would be any multi-step craft, yes

[bitter monolith]

hmm, i would have to do testing to make sure it wasnt deleting stuff. i use it the most heavily for chemistry crafting and the rate of supply depletion seems fine

was it any particular recipe presenting trouble?

[trail ether]

the people who reported issues never mentioned a specific recipe

but they also never mentioned whether they were using recursive crafting or not

so maybe they were and that is where the issue lies

also unrelatedly I saw an issue with the fancy creepvine sonar myself

for me I get no meaningful FPS issues but it does make saving take well over 90 seconds, and the RAM usage of the game exceeds 10GB

probably serializing all the GOs

and the game hangs while it does this so windows thought it crashed

but if you leave it then it will eventually finish

[bitter monolith]

man, i would love for there to be some stupidly verbose debugging mod that logs everything the game does

[trail ether]

I wish there was a profiler

like an actual code path profiler

[bitter monolith]

perhaps one day devs wil release games with modding in mind

😛

[trail ether]

some devs do

there is nothing wrong with not making a game with modding in mind

espeially as a small studio where the dev time to do so is not really available

but it does make the modding become painful later on

[bitter monolith]

oh no, nothing wrong with it, just not terribly convenient as you say

[upper dock]

oof, this is real bad

can you think of any way to fix that?

[unreal flame]

Coalescing the 128 objects per creepvine into 1 per

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/qYvXEVn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/s3SLOvh.jpg

[bitter monolith]

but will stalkers take off with them? lol

[unreal flame]

oh god

[marsh spear]

don't give her ideas

[upper dock]

that's really cool

gives floaters a nice use

[trail ether]

XD

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/ITYTNr6.png

[marsh spear]

I'm guessing ecotargettype.shiny makes stalkers go at it?

[trail ether]

yes

https://i.imgur.com/43jNZJK.png

there is one problem with this idea

you will have a hard time finding them again

oh wait i know

now the scanner room can see it

[loud python]

The idea is cool, but I don't see myself using them anywhere near stalkers, ever, if stalkers will take them

[bitter monolith]

is it possible to add a config option for toggling geysers spawning minerals?

[trail ether]

even if you can grab them back?

also they are intended for a specific use case

generally areas with large depth changes

[loud python]

Even if

because i'd be very annoyed to go have to get them back every other time I come to my base

But if thre's a specific case use where they work, then that's another thing

I mean, i've only just unlocked the blueprint for the bioprocessor and feel quite stuck, so i'm pretty sure there's a lot of things I still need

to know

[upper dock]

Yeah, this would result in just never using them near stalkers, since they could disconnect important machinery like power generation

but I think it's fine for them to have limited use cases, so they don't just entirely replace the normal ones

[marsh spear]

I mean they are also more expensive... aren't floaters a limited resource

[trail ether]

technically yes but in practice there are hundreds

far more than you would ever make relays

[marsh spear]

what if I want to make a massive power network connecting all my bases /s

[trail ether]

power transmitters cannot even do that

[marsh spear]

damn maybe they should

[unreal flame]

instead of the stalker actually grabbing them, they should deploy a perimeter defense sphere

not because that's included in the recipe but because the stalker is biting into something with a load of power going through it

[trail ether]

I do not want stalkers to take damage randomly

[unreal flame]

knifing ancient floaters to get a regular one

[trail ether]

i kind of like that idea

so long as that will never kill the ancient floater

i am pretty sure they do not have a livemixin

[marsh spear]

it'd be a little weird for them to

[unreal flame]

then have it deal like 1 damage. electrical shocks have a 10x response rate or something anyway

[trail ether]

but i added it https://i.imgur.com/JR6StpE.png

[unreal flame]

budding

[marsh spear]

because then if you killed them all the island would be floating with nothing holding it up

[trail ether]

using the same code i already had for amoeboids

[marsh spear]

?

[unreal flame]

explaining it as the ancient floater is budding and the player is just taking them, basically

[trail ether]

and I like floaters being renewable

[marsh spear]

oh no I meant it'd be weird for them to have livemixins

[unreal flame]

ah. 100%

put floaters in the bioproc to return helium

[marsh spear]

I also will probably never use this mechanic because floaters are like the only thing that scares me in this game

[trail ether]

going to move this floater code to ecocean actually

since that is its kind of thing

[unreal flame]

floaters?

[trail ether]

the harveting

[unreal flame]

because of the leech mouth?

[unreal flame]

in response to lily

[marsh spear]

because of bugs

bugged floaters were a million times more scary than any leviathan

[unreal flame]

oh, them attaching to the player

[marsh spear]

yes

[trail ether]

i tried to stick some to myself earlier

[marsh spear]

and the weird cyclops interaction

[trail ether]

to carry them home with a full inventory

they did not stick

they just did 10 damage

[unreal flame]

likely fixed

the ones that were bugged because of c2c were funny

[marsh spear]

these bugs specifically
https://youtu.be/t00kYLF368c

[unreal flame]

i have a video of me launching my cyclops with one

[marsh spear]

wow that video's old now

[frank scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-stars-meme-carrying-yellow-bird-small-bird-flying-gif-26418137

[marsh spear]

the bit 3-4 minutes in where it attaches to his head is just

ugh

[trail ether]

there https://i.imgur.com/bzCdJUT.png

[frank scaffold]

why are you letting us see the code

[trail ether]

showing i moved the floater harvesting to Ecocean from C2C

[marsh spear]

it's not like we cant decompile it... and also see it on GitHub...

[unreal flame]

isn't all of your code visible-source anyway

[trail ether]

yes

[frank scaffold]

i accdently saw the code behind someones mod and got banned from there server

[trail ether]

for the mods anyway

the code for my website builder, for FCompile, and the like is private repos

also DRCore

that is also private repo

[frank scaffold]

i wont but i think i know how to access it

[unreal flame]

people who insist on closed-source are weirdos

[marsh spear]

that's weird

c# is super easy to decompile

[frank scaffold]

still have the mod and code lol

cant update it till a public release tho

i payed for a beta

40 goshdarn dollers to

[unreal flame]

for a subnautica mod?

[frank scaffold]

it was his premium

[unreal flame]

pardon?

[frank scaffold]

i got my name is the thanks

[unreal flame]

yeah but was it a subnautica mod?

[frank scaffold]

a BZ multiplaer mod

[unreal flame]

?? but that mod's visible source too?

[frank scaffold]

not suppose to but yea

[unreal flame]

no, like

[frank scaffold]

and since he got rid of me just like that after i payed 40$ for the mod

[unreal flame]

the bz multiplayer mod linked in #🌍┃related-communities is visible source

[frank scaffold]

so im pissed and ill give the mod away for free

i just hate him personally

[spiral coyote]

i'm just wondering, can i talk about ideas here?

[frank scaffold]

yea man frre rain

[unreal flame]

like, for sea to sea specifically?

[spiral coyote]

yes

[unreal flame]

probably

[spiral coyote]

ok, I have an idea for a change to the Electrical Sealant Module, but i'm not sure if it would be balanced

could it be a common module instead?

just tossing an idea out

[unreal flame]

the seamoth one?

[spiral coyote]

yeah

[unreal flame]

there's another feature that would end up making it redundant anyway

[spiral coyote]

the thermal reactor module?

[unreal flame]

not quite. you'll probably find it pretty quickly

[spiral coyote]

ooh you got me excited

[frank scaffold]

will the mods come out for 2.0

[unreal flame]

eventually

[sudden raven]

wait 40 dollars 💀
for what mod?

[frank scaffold]

a BZ multiplayer mod

[bitter kraken]

BZ multiplayer mod
Not the one in #🌍┃related-communities
There is another one

[sudden raven]

40 dollars is way to much for a mod imo

[bitter kraken]

And its also in early access

[frank scaffold]

there was a cheeper option but i was nice

[sudden raven]

Oh ok

[frank scaffold]

still have the mod

the guy cant take it from me

[sudden raven]

why did he get rid of you tho

[frank scaffold]

apperntly in attempts to start coding myself i accessed the code of his mod without permmission

[sudden raven]

oh

seems like his problem tbh

[frank scaffold]

thats what everyone else says

[sudden raven]

yeah

[frank scaffold]

nice to meet you btw

[sudden raven]

nice to meet you too

[frank scaffold]

would you play sub or BZ with me sometime

[sudden raven]

sure

but i dont really play that much

[trail ether]

this is not the channel for this

[loud python]

Is this because I haven't fixed the Aurora's radiation leak?

Figured if it put it in my inventory it'd go away since it's a bug, but that's a mutant peeper right there lol

[trail ether]

wtf

do other fish do it too

[loud python]

No, just that one peeper

My ACU has been really weird tho

Remember the immortal kelp? I had to turn "instagib" on to be able to kill them

[unreal flame]

yes

[loud python]

Make it a feature

If you take too long to repair the aurora, this happens

I'm dying to see the mutan leviathans comming after you

[coral dagger]

nom

[civic grotto]

that didnt work, this is what I'm using, in case you have experience with it

[trail ether]

that is not the same thing at all

[civic grotto]

I thought someone said unity explorer worked the same, I wasnt able to find bepinex runtime editor

[trail ether]

also @lunar glen this thing is a big part of the inspiration for the thing Ecocean adds to the void https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2HovVwKu6A&t=223s

there is also something else in that video that inspired an ecocean feature...see if you can guess what it is 😛

[civic grotto]

Is there a reason to go into the void in C2C?

[trail ether]

yes

it is absolutely required

[civic grotto]

Ah

[civic grotto]

Big thank you

[trail ether]

the use case https://i.imgur.com/WXJzDX2.jpg

and there is a kelp nearby and it has not been an issue https://i.imgur.com/uDk4ql8.jpg

[marsh spear]

you can actually do that without the floating things, I did it for my base

[trail ether]

you can, and I did in my last playthrough

but it takes a ton of fiddling to find valid placements for the normal ones that do not clip the line through terrain

[marsh spear]

is clipping a problem? I thought it works anyway

[trail ether]

it works but it looks awful

so awful i am tempted to make it not work

[marsh spear]

ah

[trail ether]

speaking of power

https://i.imgur.com/FnpQOyb.jpg

and did I post these earlier? https://i.imgur.com/0mZHM1j.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yLJ5uTE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Iu1tGyQ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4pz4rXA.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Zb36473.jpg

[marsh spear]

you did not

now we just need an autoharvester for plants and a way to automatically transfer items to chests /hj

[lunar glen]

Now that's a game I'd love to play

[marsh spear]

barotrauma looks cool but it requires both a decent PC and friends

[lunar glen]

Can't be harder than solo managing your cyclops 😎

(it is)

[trail ether]

this puts in chests and AE has had a harvester for months

currently it has an inventory but I am going to remove that and make it drop at the plant, so you use a collector

[trail ether]

it is currently 50% off https://store.steampowered.com/app/602960/Barotrauma/

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[trail ether]

no to both

[marsh spear]

?

[trail ether]

it is 2D and not demanding on any resource, even disk space

and I just completed the entire campaign with AI crew

[marsh spear]

oh I wasn't aware that was an option

[marsh spear]

I mean

my PC lags playing late game beecarbonize

notice I didn't say good PC. I said decent

although weirdly I can run Terraria.... apparently Terraria is stupidly well optimized

[frank scaffold]

fair enough

[trail ether]

their AI makes them unsuited to EVAs but they are better gunners than humans, excel at finding damage and repairing it and perfectly fine reactor controllers and item managers

they are subpar medics but passable, and if you need extreme medical intervention you fucked up anyway

so things like this I had to do myself https://i.imgur.com/zOMqvQ7.jpg

[trail ether]

every one of these crew (top left) are AI https://i.imgur.com/9y86Vjn.jpg

aside from me obviously

as gunners they excelled https://i.imgur.com/oPh3ahg.png https://i.imgur.com/hTfdXoj.png https://i.imgur.com/nQ6F0G9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vpDQ8eQ.jpg

honestly my two biggest complaints about the game are 1) inventory management is a lot of fiddly work if you have a lot of stuff and 2) if you cannot handle scary, it is very stressful

lots of moments like this https://i.imgur.com/4D01WCn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dezooEk.jpg

[trail ether]

ok one downside to AI gunners - they shoot every creature, regardless of hostility

made mommy moloch very angry that way once https://i.imgur.com/YEWz8i4.png https://i.imgur.com/3ZwskLX.png https://i.imgur.com/lqL6StS.png

[spiral coyote]

I've encountered an issue.

Idk how it got there, it just... appeared, one by one

*the locker item

when i transferred it out, it turned into 'Player'

(as shown)

I can't take it out of my inventory

so i reverted to a recent save to get rid of it

[trail ether]

did you remove mods

that is usually what causes "tooltip_player" unknown items

[loud python]

So, how do I catch ||phytoplankton?||

Do I need a blueprint for seamoth or something like that?

[bitter monolith]

there is a module yeah

i dont suppose the bulb chain is pulled from the redwort code? xD
this happened on replant too

[loud python]

Hmm, the only databox i can think of (because i've been exploring a lot) is inaccesible because of a bug

Will have to use the warpforward command to get to it

Yup, that was it. That's why I had missed it

[unreal flame]

yeah that wreck's been bugged for a while

[loud python]

Is that the only wreck for that blueprint?

That's a very important blueprint, seems like a priority to fix

[bitter monolith]

longest two kilometers of my life

[loud python]

I had been looking for the bacterial samples and the bioprocessor for so long

I forgot what I wanted to do with them

[trail ether]

and only for some people

[marsh spear]

have you attempted to find a pattern in the people reporting it? If I was in that situation I'd try to gather general information about their setup to try and narrow down the scope

because if it's pc-dependant there's presumably an external factor

[trail ether]

yes and people say it has happened with only C2C

[frank scaffold]

will these mods be on bepinx at any point

[loud python]

Ah, yeah i remembered- I wanted the seamoth electric defense thingy

It's so much less stressful to drive around reapers with that thing on!

It's amazing how much of the crater I had not seen in my vanilla playthrough.

SeatoSea feels like the proper version of subnautica

[coral dagger]

i wish there was a reduced grinding mode

i really enjoy the exploration and discovery and new challenges

i don't enjoy randomly needing to find 3x as much silver

[unreal flame]

to my knowledge, most of the justification for the additional grind is to incentivize plant farming, but it desn't make much sense for mineral resources

[coral dagger]

the plants are fine

i can farm those

the wiring kits are miserable

i have cracked every sandstone in scanner room range of my base

we need so many more than vanilla and every single one is 50% more expensive than vanilla

and actually minerals are less accessible than vanilla because of the prawn being locked until endgame

makes it feel even more grindy chasing basic resources when you have to build a whole ass base to mine one silver outcrop

with the exception of auroresource titanium, the grind for basic vanilla materials in c2c is unbearably tedious

[trail ether]

all of mine are doing it too https://i.imgur.com/BRXwT2d.jpg

[trail ether]

....more like 40% more...

[trail ether]

minerals require going out into the world to collect

that is how you stumble upon things

[trail ether]

did you make a rock crusher

[coral dagger]

yes

if it worked without a battery it would be ok

but having to either cart the resource chunks across the world with the prop cannon or keep on building a whole mini base is very boring

foundation > room > hatch > bioreactor > crusher > disassemble all > repeat

[trail ether]

would a seamoth tether module help

@unreal flame suggested thta some months ago

[coral dagger]

yes! that would help so much

building just the crusher is fine

[trail ether]

the only thing is it needs to not supplant the azurite battery pull

so either it needs to come later or have a very high seamoth power cost or something

prop gun is power hungry so i guess that idea makes the most sense

ohhhhhhh

I have a nidea

I can make its power cost per time and not per thing pulled

and give it the ability to tow many at once

thus making it VERY incentivized to use the prop gun to drag a handful of nearby drillable deposits together, then take the seamoth there

as opposed to you taking the seamoth to each one

[coral dagger]

oh you mean attach the seamoth to the deposits

[trail ether]

yes

[coral dagger]

i thought you meant use the seamoth to power the crusher

[marsh spear]

a cyclops cargo bay or something would be cool as well... to just grab a bunch that way

no idea how balanced it'd be I haven't gotten that far

[trail ether]

that is not implementable

[marsh spear]

rip

[trail ether]

oh you had something in mind like using the seamoth's power to power a base

as a kind of emergency portable battery backup

the only problem is I do not want people just building the rock crusher and moving it over and over

that feels silly

[upper dock]

the only part of the resource changes I found annoying was the battery change

that seriously got on my nerve early, I had like 4 growbeds full of acid mushrooms at every base at all times but before I could build those it was super obnoxious

also out of copper like 90% of the time for a varietyo f reasons

[trail ether]

outdoor pots?

[upper dock]

hm?

[loud python]

The silver grind is pain, yeah

And I have way too much gold and lead

I have to admit i'm begining to cheat a little because it is pain, and i'm using the console to "exchange" 4 lead ores or 2 gold ores for 1 silver. I helps balance it out, and I don't think it's too unfair considering they all come from sandstone.

Copper is also a bit scarce, but not too much

I think if the drop rate of silver was increased relative to gold and lead, the game would feel better, and you'd still demand the player to go and explore all biomes.

Another sugestion: nanowrapping bandages or whatever they're called should be a 1x1 item.

Else I think i'm just not going to make any more of thm and just bring 2 medkits instead.

[trail ether]

case in point https://i.imgur.com/Dq6A0Ll.jpg

[slender stone]

to get out of this situation, i use the "FCS_AlterraGen" mod. foundation > alterragen + crusher > disassemble all > repeat

[neon rock]

same

the fps drops are insane

they get up to 2 fps

i*

[trail ether]

as of the next version I am locking it to cheap sonar until I can import N8's meshes

[bitter monolith]

try to change the Fancy Creepvine Sonar to 'False' in the Ecocean_Config and restart, might help?

[neon rock]

did that work for you

[bitter monolith]

seems so, with the current build i dont see any lag with that toggled off

[trail ether]

made a small patch to ResourceMonitor in C2C since I add so many items https://i.imgur.com/wluZtwF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bapmcqc.jpg

this is MUCH better than 27 pages

I should also make it scan ACU contents

[bitter monolith]

it would be nice if you could drag-and-drop what you want to show on a particular page

just for the monitor mod in general i mean

[neon rock]

ty man this fixed the issue

[loud python]

Ah, love it when reapers drag you INTO the terrain

[slender stone]

The problem with the resource monitor has not gone away. There is a duplication of azurite batteries. If you remove an azurite battery from a laser cutter or stasis gun, it will reappear every time you remove something from the monitor (provided you have the tool in your hands at the time).

[trail ether]

wait resourcemonitor spawns items?

[slender stone]

item collector cannot be added to a quick slot; you cannot choose what exactly will be attracted. I use three mods for the gravitrap: "GravTrapBeacons" (if stalkers drag it away, it will be quickly found), "GravTrapImproved" (setting up what exactly is attracted by the gravisphere. In particular, you can apply it to the attraction of "drillable" objects. The gravisphere attracts these objects, and you yourself are already pulling the gravisphere with a throughput cannon.), "GravTrapStorage" (analogous to item collector, but with the advantage of these mods).

[spiral coyote]

is anyone aware of this issue?

(sorry for the inconvienent times between posts, its hard being halfway across the planet in Australia)

based off the Subnautica Map, these plants (and white tablet) are at coordinates 0, 0, 0

which tells me the plants tried to spawn, but couldn't find any coordinates, so they defaulted to 0

[unreal flame]

ah, does resource monitor just summon fresh game objects while deleting the original?

if so that's honestly really dumb

[bitter kraken]

clear000 in the console iirc

[spiral coyote]

didn't work

[bitter kraken]

Hm... then i dont remember the command, sorry
But there is a particular command to clear things like those

[spiral coyote]

ok, it's no biggie

just it changes from time to time

sometimes, it redirects the power transmitters

OH, speaking of transmitters, there is another bug

the blue lines connect to nothing

selecting the power transmitter on the habitat builder fixes this, but is undone after save-quit

also (i'm not sure if this can be fixed), but the geyser particulate filters only work when they're rendered

[unreal flame]

It’s the correct command

[spiral coyote]

huh, that's weird

[unreal flame]

It just doesn’t work properly on some objects for some reason

[spiral coyote]

well, i try to post for any more bugs i find

*if that's ok

[loud python]

This will cause a lot of lag if it goes on for a while. "Clear000" works sometimes, i had to use it several times until it did. Else I recommend you activate "instagib" cheat, go there, and smack the crap out of everything with your knife until there's nothing left.

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/BNCCvOc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vA9JbVi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PULaRiG.jpg

[loud python]

That's really cool

[trail ether]

can pull up to 5 targets

[loud python]

Let us tow the dunes meteor to our base

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/6uQMLZQ.jpg

[bitter kraken]

Oh my goood that is cool

[unreal flame]

first screenshot is actually pretty funny

[trail ether]

probably because of how unhappy wit hthe situation the boneshark appears to be

then again bonesharks always look pissy

[unreal flame]

reminds me of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE2NPmqZ9nM

[loud python]

I don't understand how or why, but crafting all the stuff is kinda satisfying, despte taking like 30 minutes to do so

[neon rock]

4 nanolathing drones for the vehicle bay is a bit expensive cause of the nanolathing drone crafting

[loud python]

I'd be very annoyed by that if Reika hadn't placed a very convenient exterior planting bed near the landing zone

So you can just farm them

[neon rock]

is this even possible

i found a time capsule in a modded biome

[trail ether]

they can spawn in the crash zone which is what that area is in vanilla

so that makes sense

[neon rock]

reika why was the compass bugged in older versions of the mod

like it was spinning all the time

that does not happen now

[trail ether]

because the code was half implemented

[trail ether]

and scattered outdoor pots all over the place

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/tXB5zhu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ML2he1U.jpg

[coral dagger]

what is a pulsefish

are they vanilla or something added?

[trail ether]

sometihng added by C2C

[loud python]

This run I found 4 time capsules in the dunes, 3 of which had cuddlefish.

[loud python]

Other than the purging of the boneshark population, any tips on exploring the ||glass forest?||

[bitter monolith]

increase your monitor brightness? hehe

_>

[trail ether]

there are a lot less of them now than there used to be

[loud python]

Jesus christ.

I never explored that area in vanilla

[coral dagger]

i did but was greatly disappointed

[loud python]

btw in the end the answer was genocide

[coral dagger]

glass forest feels like it was meant to be there, if the transition was a bit more seamless

[loud python]

It's a very cool area, but man is it hard to navigate

[trail ether]

for stuff like this it kidn of has to https://i.imgur.com/UcUyc36.jpg

VERY dubious about how it handles this https://i.imgur.com/QbdsVal.jpg

[unreal flame]

i'm confused as to what is being illustrated here

regardless, summoning fresh game objects is bad when you've got at least a few that have states that can differ from "default"

like, that already makes it an infinite battery glitch from the get-go

[coral dagger]

does it harvest them for you reika??

in my experience using it it just took items from storage

so those eye cores would have been manually harvested and then stored and it's pulling them from a chest?

could be wrong though, never used it with c2c

[trail ether]

it lists the contents of planters as collectable items

how does it plan to give me the item when i click it

especially for the eye flames which have custom harvest behavior

[trail ether]

you cannot just take items from planters though

i have no eye flames in chests

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/zNe1xcm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0yTaons.jpg https://i.imgur.com/9yJzMBK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/oNf7s5f.jpg

also now buying buildables in FCS only unlocks them https://i.imgur.com/kCSp4kI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Un4N8dV.jpg

because... https://i.imgur.com/ELMrQwI.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dWsBn1G.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qh57zuo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/T5clp0s.jpg https://i.imgur.com/c0PRdFi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UepRCmN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vpzEKDa.jpg https://i.imgur.com/oIc0Lt6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/U7kanB2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/4Tyw6D8.jpg

but I have removed the "do not use these mods together" warning for FCS

I think I have sufficiently reworked and gated things that FCS no longer seriously breaks C2C

[trail ether]

read the log

they load for me

[bitter monolith]

i get the same error. im not finding where in the log it shows what needs fixing...

oh wait, heres something
[QModManager:ERROR] Invoking the specified entry method "Load" failed for mod "ReikaKalseki.Ecocean"

[QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.MissingMethodException: void ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.WorldgenDatabase.load()
at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod.InternalInvoke(System.Reflection.MonoMethod,object,object[],System.Exception&)
at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00032] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00048] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at QModManager.Patching.QModPatchMethod.TryInvoke () [0x00034] in <17412a3abc4a4e4196c5a94d73183573>:0

same error lower down?

[trail ether]

wtf

[trail ether]

this one is caused by not updating all the mods

a DI/C2C mismatch

waaaaaaaaait

fuck i think i outsmarted git

c2c should have loaded fine but everything else would fail

[trail ether]

but this one makes no sense

let me force a synch update

see if that helps

ok every mod is being updated

[bitter monolith]

oop, think i updated too quick, ecocean loaded this time but not c2c yet, ill give it a sec and redownload lol

[bitter monolith]

yeah :/

[trail ether]

what is the error now

[bitter monolith]

[QModManager:ERROR] Invoking the specified entry method "PostLoad" failed for mod "ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea"
[QModManager:ERROR] System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. ---> System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'FCS_AlterraHub, Version=1.0.1.91, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' or one of its dependencies.
at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.C2CIntegration.addPostCompat () [0x00c9c] in <47080e07c33d485c99528ca1f1a80a3d>:0
at ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.SeaToSeaMod.PostLoad () [0x00154] in <47080e07c33d485c99528ca1f1a80a3d>:0
at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoMethod.InternalInvoke(System.Reflection.MonoMethod,object,object[],System.Exception&)
at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00032] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
--- End of inner exception stack trace ---
at System.Reflection.MonoMethod.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Reflection.BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) [0x00048] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at System.Reflection.MethodBase.Invoke (System.Object obj, System.Object[] parameters) [0x00000] in <567df3e0919241ba98db88bec4c6696f>:0
at QModManager.Patching.QModPatchMethod.TryInvoke () [0x00034] in <17412a3abc4a4e4196c5a94d73183573>:0

at least, thats the only error i see

[trail ether]

ok this is an improvement

and releasing fix

[bitter kraken]

That actually looks really really cool. I always loved the "build it yourself, with your own materials" mechanic more than "just stay afk, wait for the money and buy everything you need"
However, just one question. Would it be possible to instead craft the kits? Because they are really useful

[bitter kraken]

Also isnt polyaniline a material that you only get in the bioprocessor? Or am i confusing it with something?

[unreal flame]

Polyaniline does require the bioprocessor because it requires hydrochloric acid

[bitter kraken]

So now i need another machine for my ore processor? Aw :(

Also i might need to unbuild my ore processor before updating

[trail ether]

no; kits are entirely supplanted, and that is a deliberate choice

they do not align with how SN works and fitting entire machines in inventory slots is wrong

[trail ether]

you do not get it in the bioproc directly but it does require bioproc materials to make

this is alsao intentional

FCS enters the picture in midgame

[trail ether]

yes

also I never mentioned it above but I add some azurite and +3 avolite if you have FCS installed

to help compensate for the costs of FCS things using these mateirals

[bitter monolith]

ive never used FCS, is it just a massive building mod or something or another overhaul similar to C2C?

and i also wonder if it is something you personally want to work with C2C, or if it is just a frequently-used mod that you'd like to make room for people to use if they insist on doing so

[bitter monolith]

argh!

it seems every now and then a random blueprint will be forgotten

normally it isnt a big issue, but i cannot remember where i originally found the mk3 module now

ive gone around and hit just about all the wrecks and bases already

[loud python]

I don't remember either. Maybe dunes?

or...

||I think it was in the crash zone, actually. In the added destroyed Degasi base||

[trail ether]

it is a large tech and decorations mod

see the posted images for some of its machines

[bitter monolith]

for some reason my fluid recharger is having its buffer emptied on game load

[trail ether]

that has been reported by others

i have no idea why it is failing

[loud python]

I'm getting a weird stutter from the game, every one or two seconds the game stops for a moment, like lagging, but it isn't the 000 glitch, and it happens anywhere

This just started happening, has anyone experienced this?

[bitter monolith]

also the item collector doesnt seem to be ... well, collecting

[trail ether]

it needs an inventory to put things in

it does not have one of its own

[bitter kraken]

Aalso, just wondering
Do you also need to unlock the deco, or is it just the machines?

But anyway good work on all that! Making an individual recipe for every item is pretty hard tbh

[shrewd gate]

Wth?! There's a third biome added to this mod?!

[frank scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/jevil-sad-deltarune-gif-24247560

[shrewd gate]

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

[bitter monolith]

i also was curious, so i found this?
https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Jevil

perhaps it is meant to imply a descent into insanity

[trail ether]

everything is unlocked

the store is pretty clearly based on the Satisfactory Awesome Sink and Shop so I made it work like that does

plus that is MUCH more in line with how SN is meant to work

[trail ether]

the third was added in july so it might be newer than your last playthrough

[neon rock]

i need help

the broken azurite battery isnt where is supposed to be

[trail ether]

what

[bitter monolith]

||you found the floating lockers?||

[neon rock]

yes

i found the battery like 3 times there

now its not there

how tf can i progress without a lasercutter

[shrewd gate]

Yeah I haven't played in a while.

[loud python]

use console commands to give yourself a broken azurite batery

||item brokent2battery 1||

Command hidden to avoid unnecessary temptations

[civic grotto]

btw does this just go into the plugins folder?

[trail ether]

it is a standard QMod

[trail ether]

wtf

it was there for me a few days ago and noone else has complained about it being missing

[civic grotto]

So I can just throw it into the qmods folder?

Cause I put it into qmods and F7 doesnt seem to do anything

[trail ether]

yes

but make sure you installed it properly

eg no nested folders

same rules as usual

but once you do https://i.imgur.com/vi6sfLc.png

[civic grotto]

Oh I didnt have a folder

I just have the actual rar file

[trail ether]

rar is an archive format

[neon rock]

last mod i installed was auto save

[pastel fox]

hey guys i install all mods but cant find the void biome

[unreal flame]

Sea to sea and related mods are gameplay enhancements, not just “new biome” mods. You’ll have to play through the game to encounter them

[frank scaffold]

you ok

[unreal flame]

Non-sequitur?

[pastel fox]

Not even in creative mode?

[civic grotto]

Alright, I've finally gotten around to attempting this, sorry for the multi-week endeavor, and I got this

[bitter monolith]

technically the void biome is the one that completely surrounds the game map

if you mean the void spikes, there is only one way to get to it, and yeah, that requires a story prompt

[bitter monolith]

if you would like to hurry that part up, you could try ||solving the radiation problem||

[civic grotto]

You're still required to go to the void biome right?

[bitter monolith]

yeah the newbiome is within that biome

[civic grotto]

But you cant go to that biome without a story prompt correct?

essentially I want to make sure I need to just go sail out into the void aimlessly before I do it lol

[bitter monolith]

if you want the technical breakdown, ||the void spikes actually exists under the game map, and only approaching the exact right area of the void will teleport you there||

the story gives you a beacon to aim at, is all

[civic grotto]

Ah ok

Well I have done the thing you mentioned, so I assume I simply wait/progress to the appropriate point

[bitter monolith]

explicit spoiler: ||lifepod 15 out in the void has a PDA which gives the beacon, which in itself requires a certain tech to reach safely||

[pastel fox]

what story prompt?

[bitter monolith]

see immediately previous post lol

[civic grotto]

Alright, I'm not gonna read that spoiler, I'll just assume I will be led to it when I need to be

[bitter monolith]

i will say this, there is only one reason to go out there, and its pretty late-game

[civic grotto]

So how do you unlock the volcanic filter?

Also I’ve gone to most places I’m able to with seamoth depth upgrade 1, and I still haven’t found the next upgrade for it

I haven’t gone extensively in the dunes, mountains, or crash zone for obvious reasons

[sudden raven]

Is this available for nitrox (I dont really think it is but its worth asking)

[upper dock]

Nope

[upper dock]

||look near the bulb zone||

[civic grotto]

I’m told it works surprisingly well, but is not built for it, so don’t expect much

[upper dock]

Seamoth depth 2 is funny to find, it's in a very specific location that I can't really think of how to point you towards

[civic grotto]

Ah, I was going there anyways

[upper dock]

You can get it without much tech beyond seamoth depth 1

[civic grotto]

Is there a clue or lead that’s given in game?

[upper dock]

I think there is but I didn't findit

[unreal flame]

just remember to follow the lifepods

[upper dock]

I just happened to stumble into the upgrade

[civic grotto]

Hm, from that I assume it’s not locked behind a sealed door or something

[upper dock]

I can't remember, but you do have access to the laser cutter already

[civic grotto]

I don’t actually, I have the blueprint, but lack the avolite or azurite because of cowardice lol

[unreal flame]

oh, that

wait, the laser cutter doesn't use avolite

[civic grotto]

Hm?

I might be thinking of stasis

[unreal flame]

that's the stasis rifle, yes

[upper dock]

The recipe to make new batteries does require avolite iirc, but the repair recipe does not

[unreal flame]

azurite

[civic grotto]

The repair recipe does I think

[unreal flame]

the azurite batteries don't require avolite

[civic grotto]

Need azurite I meant

[unreal flame]

so you've got the broken battery as well, then?

[civic grotto]

Yup

[unreal flame]

just stock up on bandages and grab some azurite, tbh

[civic grotto]

It’s more the funky creatures that tend to be near them

[civic grotto]

I can also assume it’s not somewhere out of the way, if you stumbled across it

[upper dock]

No it is out of the way I just happened to explore the right random spot

[civic grotto]

Oh

Maybe I should just use my scanner room arrays to scan for data boxes, but it shows ones that have been looted already

[trail ether]

this is not valid C# syntax - it needs to be the argument

[trail ether]

???

[trail ether]

people say it works but I strongly expect there to be various behavioral issues

for example

[civic grotto]

Ah, my bad, I’ve never really used C#

[trail ether]

and #🎮┃mod-discussion message

but #🎮┃mod-discussion message

[civic grotto]

What would correct syntax look like?

[trail ether]

PDAScanner.Add(TechType.ReaperLeviathan)

[civic grotto]

Thank you

[civic grotto]

Also I updated the the latest versions of the mods today and some of them couldnt be loaded?

Sending the log shortly