SeaToSea

[trail ether]

have you made or tried any guesses as to how rare elements are obtained

[worthy plume]

honestly i don't know, im probably just dumb but idk how to get it, but im still looking and trying to finding it by myself

[trail ether]

go back and read what databank entries you have

[worthy plume]

ok i did not find rare element for now but i find an habitat builder ( and my sunbeam countdown broke but that something else)

and i was pretty dumb too, im gonna search better before asking

[wispy kelp]

look

this was hard to do with deathrun

going below 500 starts dealing a ton of pressure damage

plus theres so much stuff in that area now twist eels a gulper levithan on top of a ghost levithan

all on insanely high agression and able to one tap me

like the glass forest is BEYOND agressive

also i might have to make the stillsuit for actual progression reasons now too

to get to the ||void spikes||

since its the only suit that gives protection below 500

[unreal flame]

this is part of why I suggested disabling the pressure stuff from deathrun

[wary moss]

edit: sorry wrong person

[wary moss]

wait the stillsuit helps with depth protection???

[wispy kelp]

its fun hto

[wispy kelp]

in deathrun yes

[wispy kelp]

plus its requiring me to think in different ways

interesting too

[wispy kelp]

interesting what are you

[trail ether]

blocked

[wispy kelp]

i will get in :3

[trail ether]

you will

but not thta way

[wispy kelp]

watch me

[wispy kelp]

okay thats a lot of heat damag

[trail ether]

XD

[wispy kelp]

i ate a gelsack

why am i hallucinating

oh my lord they just keep appearing

HOLY CRAP ITS JUST GETTING BIGGER

HOW BIG IS THIS VESSEL

[trail ether]

the new food effect system

[wispy kelp]

ah hell yeah

thank you

your mod keeps getting better

[trail ether]

try eating a violet beau, eye bulb, jellyshroom, or purple fan sample 😛

[wispy kelp]

YO!!!

YO!!!!!!!!!!

HOLY SHIT YES

THANK YOU

[trail ether]

I spent 30 minutes just tuning the head shaking when you vomit XD

[wispy kelp]

can i just say

salvaging from the sunbeam is like

insanely worth it

holy crap

does it regen or something?

[trail ether]

it should not

[wispy kelp]

so theres just a TON

[trail ether]

there is a fixed number

[wispy kelp]

oh good lord

the stais rifle requires 2 azurite batteris

okay

that is SO expensive too bwuh

wonder if i can deep dive to the void spikes..

[trail ether]

no

[wispy kelp]

why not?

i have the uh breathing pack and such

all thats left is like getting the liquid breathing recharger and just jumping down there

my eventual plan if this will be even possible is to try and get the prawn suit for expedition into certain areas

[wispy kelp]

made a recon base for degasi pieces

[wary moss]

now that i know sunbeam parts are scannable, it only further gives reason to put scanner hotspots in every biome'

also

[wary moss]

does the gravtrap let you drag the azurite around with it

[worthy plume]

i think the sunbeam is a bit late, is there a way to force the cutscene?

[trail ether]

?

[trail ether]

you are not the first to report this but I still have no idea why it is happening

[worthy plume]

it doesn't block anything?

[trail ether]

?

[worthy plume]

whe the sunbeam is destroyed it's doesn't change anything on the map ?

[trail ether]

yes it does

[worthy plume]

so i need to restart my save?

[trail ether]

no

but I need to fix this

in the meantime there might be a way to manually trigger it

[tulip silo]

i think there is a command that triggers it

[trail ether]

there is

precursorgunaim

not sure that will clear the timer and such though'

or all the appropriate StoryGoals

[worthy plume]

okay i will try that later, thank you

[wary moss]

good thing my intentions werent to speed through the radio

[worthy plume]

ok it work and it clear the timer

and the story seam to work too

[civic grotto]

So does the scanner camera relay antenna actually serve a purpose in C2C, it seems like cameras still have static when using it

[trail ether]

it is not required for anything if thta is what you are asking

and if it is not working you are not using it properly

it is an antenna - it does not make the base it is attached to somehow able to access any camera

it makes the cameras on the base it is attached to transmit their signal

[civic grotto]

Oh, the way I read the description to me made it sound like it allowed the camera drones in the base its connected to able to go an infinite distance without disconnecting

[trail ether]

that should also be true

cameras from the base with the antenna have no range limit

[worthy plume]

i have 5 entry in the PDA that doesn't show up in the list

i hope that's not important one

[trail ether]

weird

in all likelihood the marker is wrong, and you are not missing anything

[worthy plume]

ok nice

[civic grotto]

Is it still supposed to get static-y past 500m?

btw I dont remember if C2C or its dependencies alter regular aquarium behavior, but do fish placed in there multiply?

[trail ether]

no

[trail ether]

that is not a feature of any of my mods

assuming you mean aquarium and not ACU

because ACUs breed in vanill.a

[civic grotto]

ah

[civic grotto]

this is my scanner room and antenna

do I need to deconstruct and reconstruct my scanner room or something?

[trail ether]

oh I see what is going on

they still need to be within 400m of their source base

but then you can access that source base's cameras from anywhere

this is a perofmrnace thing

though it also makes sense in-universe

[civic grotto]

Yeah for example

[civic grotto]

so it just lets you access a source base's cams from any other base?

[trail ether]

yes

think of it like this

cameras can only transmit theirsignal 400m

but if they send to a base with an antenna that base can relay the signal

any distance

[civic grotto]

Also do you need to craft a seamoth depth module mk1 to unlock mk 2, or is that like a databox somewhere?

[trail ether]

you will find out

[coral dagger]

oh

i already didn't really see the value when i thought it gave cameras unlimited distance

[raven mirage]

is there an easier way to get phytoplankton than playing tag with ghosties in the void?

first getting it and stuff in this run, so no quiet seamoth
and reapers are usually a bad idea with a seamoth, couldnt get it to spawn with ghosties in the grand reef or blood kelp either

[coral dagger]

it spwans in crag field and sparse reef

[trail ether]

fixed

was C2C not Auroresource

[raven mirage]

I saw on the wiki but ive never been able to find any

[coral dagger]

have you been near the surface at night out of a vehicle?

not sure if all those conditions are needed but doing that works for me

[trail ether]

theya re not

[worthy plume]

what mod add the falling debris/meteorite? the sound scared me so much 💀

[tulip silo]

sea to sea

[upper dock]

yeah that's C2C itself

unfortunately the sound is global and loud as shit

so you cna hear it at full volume anywhere

[worthy plume]

yeah, i was chased by a reaper and the sound scared the hell out of me lol

[marsh spear]

btw the thing you have to touch to unlock the ||kharaa treatment|| is really hard to notice for some reason. I know it's glowing green but something about the placement made me think it was just a wall decoration

[trail ether]

no that is auroresource

[trail ether]

also not true anymore

[upper dock]

oh is that finally fixed?

I haven't played in a few weeks

[trail ether]

it was not a bug

it was a design thing

now you only hear it within 100m of the surface

[marsh spear]

remind me, what's the first new resource you unlock after building a seamoth?

[coral dagger]

uh

it lets you do a lot more wrecks

if you go to the aurora with the prop cannon (don't need laser cuterr i think?) you can get the mk1 depth module

so then you get rubies, gel sacks, platinum etc

[marsh spear]

platinum works for what i need, thanks

[upper dock]

yeah, ||plat|| is the first resource that requires seamoth AFAIK

you could technically swim all the way down there with a pipe network and build a base instead

but that does not sound fun

[trail ether]

what is this for

[marsh spear]

making my mod's recipe harder if it detects c2c

[trail ether]

ah

[marsh spear]

since it lets you go from base to base more easily, I didn't want it to be available if you just... swam to an island, so i'm locking it behind when you have a seamoth i.e. faster safer transportation

[unreal flame]

teleporter, or sub module?

[marsh spear]

teleporter

must be built inside a base, consumes decent power to teleport between gates

[unreal flame]

thoughts on having an "activator" item that is inserted into the teleporter to allow movement between it and a target teleporter?

not consumed, and can be removed to switch the target teleporter (or to be moved to make a different teleporter the active teleporter)

[marsh spear]

what would be the point of that

[unreal flame]

limiting the number of portals (the item I have in mind is very quantity-limited)

[marsh spear]

ah

I don't see a need for it, since the whole point is "travelling between seabases is sorta a waste of time especially when you have a bad PC that lags a lot"

[coral dagger]

maybe power requirements or something?

i like the idea in principle but for c2c i basically have a little outpost in every biome

and would feel silly to be able to fast travel to a single room with a bioreactor and fabricator

[marsh spear]

it does consume decent power yes. and i may amp that up when c2c is detected

[unreal flame]

partly as a limiting factor, and partly for thematic purposes

[marsh spear]

that's sorta the idea- going out to an outpost takes so long if I just want some biome specific flora or to visit an ACU or something

[worthy plume]

Is the rare element locked behind a key item or something ? (Yeah i still don't find this thing)

I don't ask the location/how to get it tho, im just a bit frustrated because of my lack of brain cells

[marsh spear]

hint: ||what does the recipe you need it for usually take?||
outright spoiler: ||table coral||

[worthy plume]

Wait, i already try to get some, but i never got rare element

[unreal flame]

?

[coral dagger]

||4 table coral crafts into 3 rare elements||

[trail ether]

you unlock the recipe when you pick some up

[wispy kelp]

@trail ether eatting flamecores have a lil bug

the one where it stays in your inventory

also doesnt damage me

holy crap eatting deep vines make you puke so much

[trail ether]

it is not supposed to damage you

[wispy kelp]

oh cool they ARE edible then

yipee

[steady vault]

@wispy kelp are you playing with the FCS mods in your C2C run through? noticed any incompatibilities?

[wispy kelp]

Yes but my modpacks extremely hard

and i will tell you getting into FCS?

is EXTREMELY hard

ive been at this save for two months

ive only been able to repair the uh fcs hub

im FINALLY getting access to plasteel

[steady vault]

ok good to note

[worthy plume]

That's the problem, i don't have it

[worthy plume]

im just gonna reinstalle the game and mods

[worthy plume]

ok i fixed it

[trail ether]

then you had another mod interfering

[raven mirage]

does sulphur still spawn in the brine of the lost river?
i cant find it anywhere, ive even tried suicide running the lava zone a few times but never been able to find it
usually it's decently common down here in my experience, but i havent seen a trace of it

[trail ether]

hand pickable sulfur does not exist in C2C

[raven mirage]

that would explain it

im not sure how to get it then tbf

cant get iridium without going to the lava zone, so no exosuit for drillables

[coral dagger]

did c2c add a drillable? because i assumed i had to drill it but apparently there are no vanilla drillable sulfurs

or does it need to be filtered out of the brine or something

[coral dagger]

have you got the ||rock crusher|| from the ||underwater islands||? It's a pain in the ass to use but can ||mine drillables||

(assuming that there are indeed drillable items of it which i

'm

not sure)

[trail ether]

the entity is vanilla but never used, like similar for diamond and ruby

C2C adds all three to the map

[raven mirage]

yeah, i know about that
but afaik theres nowhere to mine sulphur

or i forgot

and the rock crusher cant mine the meteor for iridium iirc

[coral dagger]

i never saw any in the LR either, but i guess maybe it's buried under the brine?

but not sure how you'd extract it then as prop cannon is super slow to pull the big chhunks up

[raven mirage]

ive been checking under the brine and havent been able to find any

[coral dagger]

hm

[raven mirage]

so idk how to get sulphur

[coral dagger]

is it still LR based reika? or did the location get moved elswhere

[raven mirage]

i only need as much for the heat sealed fabric for the reinforced suit, then lava zone is fine

[coral dagger]

maybe it's inside the disease facility or something

hang on can't biild there

[raven mirage]

it wasnt in there last time i played

also i still need to make the red key for it

[coral dagger]

woudln't be surprised if she gated it behind the red/white key, i know the disease facility is meant to be required for progression now but haven't unlocked it yet to see what for

[raven mirage]

havent gone back for sunbeam debris yet

i know what it is

research is locked by red

behind red key is white key

both doors in the thermal plant are now white key doors

[coral dagger]

ah ok

[raven mirage]

so thats what disease facility locks off

time to go recheck a bunch of areas, i guess

and try setup a driller on the meteor again

[coral dagger]

i don't think it would make sense progression wise for it to be anywhere above ground?

[raven mirage]

i either need iridium or sulphur

[coral dagger]

reika confirmed that isn't supposed to work

the drill

on the meteor

though the drill is a bit glitchy, it sometimes works without power

[raven mirage]

i tried last save i had c2c on, and it didnt

so not sure where to go for sulhpur rn

[marsh spear]

tools can be made more effective

[raven mirage]

via ||azurite batts||, ye

[marsh spear]

it is supposed to be ||under the brine in the LR|| at least it was for me

[raven mirage]

thats where ive been checking, cant find any loose or deposits of it tho

[marsh spear]

something's not right then

[raven mirage]

iirc last save i cheated in some to scan, but i couldnt find it on a scanner room either

oh yeah, is there any way to resist the brine damage?
or should i just pack bandages for it?

aight, found some
buried very far down

wow thats a lot of acid, nice

[marsh spear]

yes there is

[coral dagger]

||does electrochemical suit help with the green brine as well as the lost river ambient damage?||

[marsh spear]

yes but not completely afaik

[unreal flame]

||iirc it isn't under the brine in every LR sub-biome||

[trail ether]

it does not work

and even when it did it just gave qyartz

[trail ether]

correct

[wispy kelp]

oh shit

[wispy kelp]

@trail ether How do i use the filter this should be working no?

[trail ether]

how did you get that without a stasis rifle

[trail ether]

where is the power

[wispy kelp]

oh it needs power

i didnt know that

[wispy kelp]

:3

skill

no seriously

i

i genuinely just drove my seamoth over

and dodged the reaper

[trail ether]

how did you simultaneously do that and stay in the same place long enough to repair the databox

[wispy kelp]

i hid the seamoth in a lil crevice on the island

and i stayed close the ground hiding in the grass

sitting besides the lifepod

i even got the titanium ingot from there

[wispy kelp]

i have genuinely a ton of experience with this game

i unironically swim by levithans because i find them to be adorable creatures

[trail ether]

experience does not make you able to move around and stay still simultaneously

[wispy kelp]

do you want me to like

show you on stream how i did it

i don't mind

when repairing the data thing i just

stood still and repaired it

it wasn't really that hard

i just stayed near the ground near the pod and it worked

[trail ether]

am at work

[wary moss]

currently trying to figure out if i can get my hands on azurite without harming myself, dont know if the electrochemical suit is enough or if ill need the reinforced suit

okay safe-ish method 1: propulsion cannon

[wispy kelp]

kk lemme know when ur good

[wispy kelp]

A lil observatory while i wait for stuff here

growing these for aesthetics

very pretty

[tulip silo]

how long have you been playing and how far are you now?@wispy kelp

[wispy kelp]

2 months

plasteel stage

[tulip silo]

idk when is that lol

[wispy kelp]

it took two months.

[tulip silo]

but damn 2 whole month?

[wispy kelp]

i have to like

unironically

pay the alterra debt

make my own oxygen

tons of stuff

nitrogen sickness

[tulip silo]

just ignore the debt

[wispy kelp]

radiation problems in the beginning

cant i have fcs

i have to pay it to beat the game

[tulip silo]

yes but ignore it till you reach inactive lava zone

[wispy kelp]

why

[tulip silo]

so you can get access to kyanite which will help you significantly if you have a drill

[wispy kelp]

im not going to sell solely kyanite

plus i won't be able to do that for a while

i have no idea why this isnt collecting

[trail ether]

no base for there to be power to flow through

look at the indicator lights

[wispy kelp]

im...taking a picture from within a base wdym

[trail ether]

is the geyser filter parto f that base

it looks too far away

also is that even a geyser hole

[wispy kelp]

yes its

the one in safe shallows

and yes its part of the base it should be at least i dont know why it wouldnt be

[wispy kelp]

Huh..

thought crafting sealent would give you sealed fabric.

Well i have NO idea where that could be.

IM

so confused

?????????

@trail ether yeah im at a just loss to how this thigns works

[trail ether]

ok you did not put it above the geyser

you only put it near the geyser

how would you expect that to work

[wispy kelp]

how deep do i need to go to get it to work

im getting hit by the heat of the geyser when i try to put it in

also i figured it would work in a sense

this should work then

[trail ether]

it draws a line tothe geyser when it is connected

[wispy kelp]

NOW it works

Theres gotta be a more effecient way to make lysing enzymes

[marsh spear]

as it happens, there are two recipes for them

[wispy kelp]

the other one requires sulfur

also god eye flames are so pretty

and still requires a pretty hefty amount of bacterial samples

[coral dagger]

||the LR amoeba things give you a better recipe for bacterial samples||

[wispy kelp]

HUH ok

[civic grotto]

So I was able to scan for sunbeam debris and now I seem to be unable after updating all the C2C mods? Was something changed or did I mess something up?

Its just not an option anymore

[trail ether]

if you reload the game you need to reload the area

[civic grotto]

So what I need to increase the scanner rooms range? or do I simply need to travel around there in a camera drone/ manually?

[civic grotto]

wheres that base at btw?

[wispy kelp]

safe shallows

its mine

[marsh spear]

I forgot there were geysers in the shallows I put my filter down in the jellyshroom caves

which admittedly is closer to my base than the shallows and not really dangerous

[trail ether]

this has nothing to do with range

the scanner room will not load areas itself

it will only find things that have been loaded

[marsh spear]

then I found out it doesn't even produce unless you're nearby so it's loaded, and so I can't just leave it running

[civic grotto]

ah, so the second one

[civic grotto]

does it require the big lava geysers or do the heat spots found on places like on top of the underwater islands work?

[marsh spear]

can't say I've tried the latter

[wispy kelp]

@trail ether youre clever

youre REALLY clever

||you can fit into the cave if you pull this stuff up||

[coral dagger]

oh is that it lol i still don't think to use the prop cannon

[tulip silo]

they are movable????

[unreal flame]

not intentionally

[marsh spear]

lmfao

there's another way to get down there

[wispy kelp]

How do you pick up azurite without taking damage

cause i can only pick up 3 before dyin

@unreal flame do you know???

[unreal flame]

There is a way, yes

[wispy kelp]

is it the electrochemical suit ????

i have tried using the full rad suit to pick it up that didnt work

[unreal flame]

The rad suit is almost certainly conductive

[wispy kelp]

wait then...no suit at all?

no that didnt work

[unreal flame]

Skin is also conductive.

At least, conductive enough

[wispy kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1147162683351765012/1108862500675530782.gif

yeah i-

can only think of the electrochemical suit which i cant get

[unreal flame]

You need ||sealed fabric|| still, right?

[wispy kelp]

yeah

[unreal flame]

I think I remember where that is, actually

[wispy kelp]

i can just tank the damage too and just collect azurite this way

which is what ive been doin

[upper dock]

yeah I think at first you just have to tank the damage

later on you can prevent it

[wispy kelp]

@trail ether what happen to my plants 😦

the eyeflames are gone

wtf

even the ones i planted here are gone

????

guess ill pick up newo nes

@trail ether i cant...pick up the cores?

[trail ether]

wtf?

[wispy kelp]

Yeah i have no idea

and trying to harvest them just

gives no core

[coral dagger]

i have had glitches with plants disappearing also

if i put growbeds on the seafloor

rather than on a foundation

they tend to disappear randomly and never come back

not sure if it's plant specific but i was using them for pyropods

[trail ether]

found a typo in the code

added recently

breaks loading of the eye flame core prefab

which is also what growbeds store

check your log for exceptions and you will see them

NREs in modifySeed

[wispy kelp]

oh so fixing it will lik

have them reappear in the growbed

[trail ether]

no

[wispy kelp]

oh so ill have to get new ones

thats fine

[undone finch]

After updating AE, DI, Ecocean, and C2C to the latest version from a few hours ago, this popup constantly appears at 10 second intervals. This happening to anyone else?

[trail ether]

some debug code left in

it is harmless

will fix it tomorrow

[undone finch]

Gotcha, figured as much but also wanted to make sure I didn't mess something up. ty!

[trail ether]

I am adding ONI-style room specialization

with commensurate bonuses

[undone finch]

Oh? What's that?

[trail ether]

        public enum RoomTypes {
            UNSPECIALIZED,
            STORAGE, //storage +1 row and col
            POWER, //generators +25%
            MECHANICAL, //machine (AE, C2C, vanilla [eg medkit fab, battery charger]) speed +20% or power cost -20%
            AGRICULTURAL, //crop growth speed +20%
            WORK, //food and water rate -20%, fab speed +25%
            LEISURE, //food and water rate -67%, sleeping in regenerates 15 health
            ACU, //breeding rate +10%
        }```

the conditions to be a given type are complicated

        internal RoomTypes getType(BaseCell bc, List<PrefabIdentifier> li, out float decoRating) {
            HashSet<RoomTypes> options = new HashSet<RoomTypes>((IEnumerable<RoomTypes>)Enum.GetValues(typeof(RoomTypes)));
            //if (bc.GetComponentInChildren<BaseNuclearReactor>() || bc.GetComponentInChildren<BaseBioReactor>())
            //    options.Add(RoomTypes.POWER);
            int lockerCount = 0;
            decoRating = 0;
            foreach (PrefabIdentifier pi in li) {
                RoomTypes[] obj = getObjectType(pi);
                //if (obj.Length == 1)
                //    options.AddRange(obj);
                //else
                    options.IntersectWith(obj);
                if (lockers.Contains(pi.ClassId))
                    lockerCount++;
                decoRating += getDecoRating(pi);
                SNUtil.writeToChat("Cell "+bc.transform.position+": Object "+pi.name+" > "+getObjectType(pi).toDebugString()+" #"+getDecoRating(pi));
            }
            int plantPanels = ObjectUtil.getChildObjects(bc.gameObject, "BaseRoomPlanterSide(Clone)").Count;
            int windows = ObjectUtil.getChildObjects(bc.gameObject, "BaseRoomWindowSide(Clone)").Count;
            decoRating += plantPanels*1.5F; //plant panels, 1.5 each
            if (windows > 0)
                decoRating += windows*getWindowDecoValue(bc); //windows, rating is base location dependent
            SNUtil.writeToChat("Room at "+bc.transform.position+" has options "+options.toDebugString()+" & deco value "+decoRating+" ("+plantPanels+"/"+windows+")");
            if (decoRating < 10)
                options.Remove(RoomTypes.LEISURE);
            if (lockers >= 3)
                options.Add(RoomTypes.STORAGE);
            if (options.Count == 2 && options.Contains(RoomTypes.UNSPECIALIZED)) //if unspecialized + one thing, choose that one thing
                options.Remove(RoomTypes.UNSPECIALIZED);
            return options.Count == 1 ? options.First() : RoomTypes.UNSPECIALIZED;
        }```

[undone finch]

Oh that's actually really cool

Gives a real reason to not just lump a bunch of unrelated stuff into one room

[trail ether]

exactly

and to put semantically related rooms nearby each other

so you are not running across the base between your storage and work rooms

[undone finch]

I've been wanting to finally organize my base up a bit, guess this is some motivation to dedicate some time to that tomorrow

[trail ether]

it is not fully implemented yet

that is why that debug chat is going to be fixed tomorrow

among other things i need to implement some ofthe bonuses

and getWindowDecoValue

[undone finch]

Yee I figured, but might as well prep for the bonuses in advance

Plus my base is a mess rn after 20 hours of throwing things in random places lol

Side note but this week has been my first time playing c2c and I gotta say, I've been loving how much the mod makes me go everywhere that normally I'd never touch with a 30 meter pole. Super fun mod and it's cool to see you still adding new features!

[trail ether]

:3

[marsh spear]

idk why but it feels weird to see you use :3

[unreal flame]

i just thank god that she doesn't use stuff like 'uwu'

[trail ether]

I think I use it differently than most

for me it is a mix of grinning and pride

[upper dock]

I ended up kinda ending my playthrough of C2C early (just burnt out, I think I should have taken a few months break after finishing BZ) but it's still super awesome to see all the developments in here, I'll probably play it For Real once it comes to 2.0 in like a year (or sooner if nautilus comes out soon, possibly)

[marsh spear]

now that'd be hilarious

[worthy plume]

with the last mods update i keep having this text showing up

[worthy plume]

ho i didn't see the message, my bad

[trail ether]

@undone finch and @worthy plume the update with the room specialization much more implemented and the debug code removed is released

current bonuses:

        public enum RoomTypes {
            UNSPECIALIZED,
            STORAGE, //storage +1 row and col
            POWER, //generators +25%
            MECHANICAL, //machine (AE, C2C, vanilla [water filter] etc) power cost -20%, charger speed +50%
            AGRICULTURAL, //crop growth speed +20%? or maybe more harvests per plant; or maybe eatables obtained this way have +25% to food and water //TODO unimplemented
            WORK, //food and water rate -20%, fab speed +50%
            LEISURE, //food and water rate -67%, sleeping in regenerates 15 health
            ACU, //creature capacity +5 (also affects ACU ecosystems) //TODO unimplemented
        }```

unimplemented ones are sitll subject to change

plus in the next update the minimum deco rating for a leisure room is going to be configurable, though C2C hard mode will lock it to 18 (from the default 12)

which is high enough that you will need to get creative

and surplus deco is being given special ability

namely up to an additional 5 bed healing and up to an additional 13% (net 80%) food decrease in leisure

[undone finch]

Yoooo

[wispy kelp]

@trail ether

cant repair this

for some reason

||wreck in crag fields||

gas torpedos are useful

this was more so a knife though tbh

WHOA WHAT

THATS SO COOL

PINCHERS FROM DEEXTINCTION ACTUALLY EAT CORPSES

But yeah

i straight up cannot scan these

i mean repair the uh wires in the wreck

[wispy kelp]

its the wreck with the pda about dragon industries

if this helps\

[trail ether]

#1147624004648186009 message #1147624004648186009 message

[wispy kelp]

what does this mean

BRUH

I GOT THIS EXACT SAME TIME CAPSULE TOO

LMAO???

[trail ether]

read them

and my saying it does not happen for me

making it impossible for me to debug

[wispy kelp]

well has a solution ever if ever been found

not meant rudely ofc just genuinely curious

[wispy kelp]

@unreal flame You know any solutions?

like a warp command or something?

[unreal flame]

warpforward

[wispy kelp]

tried that

wasnt working

[unreal flame]

Through the door?

[wispy kelp]

yeah ill try again

[unreal flame]

Put a number after it, like 5

[wispy kelp]

foward

i thought was how it was spelt too

lmao

oh!!!

[wispy kelp]

nice got this by getting close enough but not too close

@trail ether did you turn off fcs?

it used to work but doesnt now

[wispy kelp]

nvm it just got unrepaired somehow i guess

[wary moss]

Propulsion cannon works to reduce damage taken

[worthy plume]

nice ! and the bonuses are really cool

[coral dagger]

i had the same issue, can't repair that door

[steady vault]

coral

[wispy kelp]

@trail ether cant scan plankton??

[wispy kelp]

@trail ether

you can duplicate ribbon rays since their eggs remain

for some reason

this was NOT intended

[marsh spear]

wait those things are called ribbon rays?

[wispy kelp]

no

meant to say jelly rays

[marsh spear]

ah (I still instinctively call them ghost rats lol)

rays*

god damn autocorrect

[wispy kelp]

its

[marsh spear]

ghost rats huh

[wispy kelp]

the eggs are just

making more

i have no idea why

i took them out though

and just

yeeted them into the ocean

[wispy kelp]

oh thats weird

@trail ether i right clicked a plankton into the alien containment unit and it made...a blood kelp?

like in the planter

[worthy plume]

damn, i just discover the biome ||behind the aurora|| and a reaper scared me af, im not prepared for this 💀

[cerulean comet]

I have been searching for 1x ||nanocarbon (c2c)|| since 2 hours and have still not found any. All I know is that falling material will result in it, but I have no clue what is referred to as falling material because I checked all geysers and there was none

[cerulean comet]

Do you use a shader? If yes, mind telling which one?

[worthy plume]

maybe from the ||falling debris/meteorite||? idk im not that far in the game but it can be that

[trail ether]

that is vanilla and happens with vanilla eggs

N8 saw it happen in my first playthrough

which was vanilla

[trail ether]

that does not surprise me as the item is based on blood oil

same reason you can plant amoeboid samples to get creepvine

and used to be able to eat iridium ingots

[cerulean comet]

is there any ||meteorite other than in the dunes?||

[worthy plume]

idk, i always saw them fall here

[cerulean comet]

here?

[worthy plume]

the dune sorry

but like i said, im not that far in the game, so idk if it the right thing or the right place

[wary moss]

randomly youll have fireballs fall from the sky, and theyll have a noise when they land in the water. id reccomend making the chip first with your first piece of nanocarbon, as it only lasts 1-2 mins from when it lands in the water

[cerulean comet]

Like a loud splash noise?

[wary moss]

yep

[wary moss]

i cannot find the glass forest wreck for the life of me

attempting to warp to it completely froze my game and had to use task manager to close

[cerulean comet]

its in the glass forest

on the bottom

[wary moss]

ik that

[worthy plume]

ok, im gonna try to beat my fear and go ||behind the aurora||

[coral dagger]

every time i try continuing my c2c playthrough reika has added a bunch of super tedious new systems that i need to learn and deal with just to get to where i was before :(

[trail ether]

?

also I am about to make another rlease

[unreal flame]

probably in regards to stuff like the rare elements, volcanic traces, and nanocarbon

[marsh spear]

last time I played I got frustrated with nanocarbon, built the scanner room module with nocost, went to the location and... couldn't find anything after it supposedly landed

and no I can't test more my PC exploded

[trail ether]

it is a small item and not trivial to find but definitely works

@trail plinth did it just yesterday

[steady vault]

wondering if this geyser filter placement is working?

its floating in the middle of that cloud and has the line to the geyser - its not the best screeny

[steady vault]

better shot of the setup. is there some sort of indication when its working? ie the lights on the side turn green or something?

[wispy kelp]

@trail ether i finally saw one

[trail ether]

yes

[trail ether]

no power

[cerulean comet]

i needs power?

[trail ether]

yes

[civic grotto]

It appears the degasi base in jellyshroom just isnt?

[trail ether]

that is not my doing

[civic grotto]

I have no other mods, beyond the mods required to make sea to sea work and a minor scanner room mod that I doubt affects this, maybe it’s just a Subnautica bug?

To be fair, I got this image with a camera drone, maybe once I go in person it will load properly

[trail ether]

or a unity one

[trail ether]

alos possible

[wispy kelp]

reika

what

@unreal flame

do you see the uh problem

[unreal flame]

lmao

[wispy kelp]

h o w

[unreal flame]

you tell me

[wispy kelp]

also planting pots i put down at the bottom of the uh

ground to grow eye flames are just

vanishing

[tulip silo]

you can plant grow beds now? lmao

[bitter monolith]

yo i heard you liked grow beds

[civic grotto]

How do I make sealant?

if its a spoiler-y thing just tell me to figure it out myself lol

[marsh spear]

it is something you're supposed to figure out yes

[tulip silo]

1 you gotta outsmart something
2 you gotta look around for it

[cerulean comet]

dont let it see you

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/reD9TXd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/skCzuZQ.jpg

[marsh spear]

do they attack bases now??

[bitter monolith]

how might i go about toggling these 'decoration value' messages every time i interact with something?

[neon rock]

do the "/autoUpdate" command really works

it aint working 4 me

[civic grotto]

What an ominous notification to receive from discord

Don’t let what see me?

[civic grotto]

Is that a thing?

[neon rock]

yeah i need to update the mods

oh i found plankton

[trail ether]

most not by default

also

        public static void onTakeDamage(DIHooks.DamageToDeal dmg) {
            BaseRoot bb = dmg.target.gameObject.FindAncestor<BaseRoot>();
            if (bb) {
                BaseHullStrength str = bb.GetComponent<BaseHullStrength>();
                if (str.totalStrength > BaseHullStrength.InitialStrength) {
                    float surplus = str.totalStrength-BaseHullStrength.InitialStrength;
                    float f = 1/(1+surplus*0.1F); //halve at 20 str, third at 30 str, quarter at 40 str, etc
                    dmg.setValue(dmg.getAmount()*f);
                }
                else if (str.totalStrength > 0) {
                    dmg.setValue(dmg.getAmount()*(float)MathUtil.linterpolate(str.totalStrength, 0, BaseHullStrength.InitialStrength, 2, 1, true)); //increase to 2x from 10 to 0
                }
                else if (str.totalStrength >= -1) {
                    dmg.setValue(dmg.getAmount()*2);
                }
                else if (str.totalStrength < -1) {
                    dmg.setValue(dmg.getAmount()*(1-str.totalStrength)); //increase by 100% for every point under -1, plus an additional 100%
                }
                return;
            }```

so if surplus base integrity > 10 (initial value), you get a reduction in damage dealt by all sources, which includes both creatures and impact; between 0 and 10 integrity damage interpolates between 200% at 0 and 100% (original) at 10; below -1 the damage increases by 100% for each point below you go, from the base 200%

thus giving a benefit to surplus hull integrity

[trail ether]

no and I thought I removed that

...I did

[neon rock]

well im in version v71

newest is v73

so idek

[trail ether]

you must have the one version for which that line existed

[trail ether]

I can make it configurable but then you have no way of knowing what room type or deco value your room has at all

[trail ether]

an abortive idea

it has multiple serious impl issues

so I abandoned it

[neon rock]

would be cool if it worked cause it would save alot of time

btw reika why did u patch the bug where u can make wrecks disappear when u build inside them

[marsh spear]

I like this idea actually

would give a use to that creature repellent pylon I ignore

[trail ether]

people were using it to delete wrecks to get at the contents without effort

[marsh spear]

oh no reika's patching base-game bugs
everyone hide your superseaglide, invulnerability, and aurora maintenance hatch

[neon rock]

please dont patch super seaglide

[trail ether]

I will

well

2.0 already did

[neon rock]

ik

[marsh spear]

at least the alien base water removal is probably safe

[trail ether]

that one is not even a bug, just an unintended result of intended code

[marsh spear]

which one?

the maintenance hatch?

also i'd argue 'unintended result of intended code' could be described as 'a bug' anyway

[neon rock]

she even patched the duping bug

that bug was so good it was basically cheating

[trail ether]

deletion of objects in the path of building

[marsh spear]

ah

[trail ether]

they explicitly have code to do this

[trail ether]

which duping bug

[neon rock]

moonpool dupe

well not just moonpool it works with every object

2 basic compartments and a glass

https://youtu.be/zRLYq0-Df-U?t=18

[trail ether]

I did not touch anything like this

using that bug is outright cheating

[bitter monolith]

Im sorta getting used to it, but it would be nicer if it was less verbose, IMO.

i was in the middle of a base transfer when i updated and started getting those, so it was a little overwhelming at first lol. much better with normal use

And I dig the feature for sure, I already expanded my base by two rooms to take advantage

[trail ether]

it is a single line

or did I leave debug code in

[bitter monolith]

I'm being nitpicky, to be sure. Definitely feel free to ignore me as one of the fringe cases. The line reads: 'This room is now (type), with a decoration rating of (+/- number)(percent).' It merely catches my eye more often. I like brief update messages such as: 'Storage (+.70 / 4.6%)' . Would also be convenient if it did not display the message when there is no change, such as when opening and closing a locker.

[trail ether]

I might be able to do that but no promises

[trail ether]

here is what I did:

1. when computing room type and deco value it compares to previous values; if both are the same no chat print will result

2. for the "recompute on close GUI" hook, it now will only run that on containers whose contents have deco-rating implications, ie a few specific things + planters and aquariums

want to point out though, for (1): adding and breaking will always trigger a chat mesasge because an incompletely constructed object has a deco penalty

so there will always be a delta between before the construction began and when the hologram exists, and between that and when construction is complete

also for negative deco I elided the % part of the message

[barren oar]

perhaps instead of a chat message it could instead be a constructable that displays the type of the current room?

that way, the player could build it only where they care about it and it would not display on every interaction

[trail ether]

I would need to write a whole rendering system for that

[barren oar]

and its a bit more in world relevant lol

[trail ether]

also you do not need to keep checking the state of an existing room - you only care about construction

[barren oar]

can you not just like show some text like the sign does

i was thinking pretty much a fancy sign (that one can't edit) would be enough

[trail ether]

oh I see

[bitter monolith]

Or an F key to show it

[loud python]

Hello! I'm having some issues with the mod updates. I had downloaded the updated files today and the message did go away in my game, but as I booted it up again later, the message appeared today. Seems the mod is not recongizing the version for some reason

Just re-downloaded everything and it fixed it. That's really strange. Maybe it was entirely on my end?

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/v8klXgo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/AHO0yRm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/rsXa0kw.jpg

[trail ether]

sometimes I update more than once a day

I just updated again in fact

[loud python]

oh, that was why. Thanks!

[marsh spear]

wtf is the giant glowing purple plant

[barren oar]

nice

[trail ether]

new

[marsh spear]

ah

it sure fills the room

[bitter monolith]

reached the ||prawn bay and the extinguisher|| doesnt seem to be doing much. just one clue request, should i be looking to ||put out the fire||, or find a way to ||walk through it||?

[unreal flame]

||too hot to extinguish||

[trail ether]

https://youtu.be/5NnGaRpBYhY

[bitter monolith]

is ||stalkers absconding with eye flame cores|| an intended feature?

also, im sitting and staring at scanner room pings for|| sunbeam debris|| right in front of me for several minutes now, and nothing is spawning. used cameras, myself in seamoth, myself alone, left the area and came back, saved and quit and relaunched sn, no change.

[trail ether]

no

does it happen?

i can see no reason why it should

unlike some past WTF behavior this one does not even make sense as an accidental holdover from the item mine is derived frmo

since eye flame cores are derived from sea treader poop

[bitter monolith]

i had returned with 5 and planted them, then later while traveling i noticed a fully formed one sitting on the surface of the water about 300m away from my base, with 3 stalkers in the water closeby. i assumed they had somehow traversed with one to this location, (which wasnt too far fetched to me as i had them take off with cameras over 200m away before) and that it had somehow buggily spawned on the surface rather than back in the growbed. i returned to my base and found only 4 in my growbed now. after sharing this, i went back and observed, but while the stalkers did occasionally travel up to the plant on the surface they did not retrieve anything from it, nor did they interact with two that i dropped nearby (nor did they interact with some poop i dropped for testing). the plant itself has a shocking aura and apparently no cooldown between spawning cores too. i tried to break it but the stalkers plus the damage aura made that difficult

[trail ether]

the one on the surface is the 000 bug

and has nothing to do with stalkers

and the aura is other unrelated GOs also at 000

[civic grotto]

Stalkers in alien containment dont seem to be producing stalker teeth, even though I have plenty of silver in it

[civic grotto]

Also I've scanned a reaper, but still dont seem to be able to scan for them even after loading the area that one is in via camera drone

[trail ether]

I have seen someone else do exactly that just a few days ago

[civic grotto]

And have the issue persist? or they did it and it worked?

[trail ether]

it worked fine

there were no issues

[trail ether]

I think I might have found a cause for this

my ACU code takes the stalkers' happiness into account

but it seems to stay at 0

ah because the Creature component is disabled

that said my ACU code also adds to it when they eat

are your stalkers well-fed?

that said I am going to make the drop rate not require happiness > 0 but benefit from it

also it needs to be a healthy ecosystem

[civic grotto]

There is a incredible amount of hoverfish

also they dont seem to be making feces

except for if I deconstruct and reconstruct the ACU

[civic grotto]

huh, I wonder why its not working for me

[trail ether]

that also does not sound like a healthy ecosystem

also i just made it not depend on happiness and now it is 50x too fast

a tooth every few seconds

in less than a minute https://i.imgur.com/MvmA43b.jpg

ok this is fixed but i do not want to put out an update just for it

especially not less than six hours after the last one

[civic grotto]

I'm not sure why, its roughly following the outlines of the healthy ecosystem format

[trail ether]

"format"?

you need close to a specific ratio of plants to herbivore (units) to carnivores

[civic grotto]

Poor choice of words, I mean the guidelines on the mod page

[trail ether]

those are approximate

here is the actual check

int max = potentialBiomes.Count == 1 ? ACUEcosystems.getPlantsForBiome(potentialBiomes.First<BiomeRegions.RegionType>()).Count : 99;
bool healthy = plantCount > 0 && plantTypes.Count >= Mathf.Min(2, max) && herbivoreCount > 0 && carnivoreCount > 0 && carnivoreCount <= Math.Max(1, herbivoreCount/Mathf.Max(1, 6-sparkleCount*0.5F)) && carnivoreCount <= acu.height*(acuRoom ? 2F : 1.5F) && herbivoreCount > 0 && herbivoreCount <= plantCount*(4+sparkleCount*0.5F)*(acuRoom ? 1.5F : 1F);```

[civic grotto]

I’m not sure how I can prevent the hover fish from breeding out of control, occasionally I cull them but it’s not enough

[trail ether]

how many units tall is the ACU stack

for a 1-tall the capacity is too low for there to be too many

[marsh spear]

it would be nice to have some way to check this in-game, like a buildable sign on the acu that shows if it's healthy or not (and maybe what the problem is but that's way less trivial to implement)

[unreal flame]

yeah, I suggested an ACU infoboard a while back

stats on biomes, creature/type count, ecosystem health, etc

[cerulean comet]

waiting since 20min on water surface to even hear one..

[wary moss]

i usually hear it as im doing other things on the surface, since my base is only 50 meters down

[cerulean comet]

nvm i saw one but now i cant find any carbon

[civic grotto]

2

[trail ether]

a simple sign clone is not going to suffice for that

[trail ether]

maybe there are too many small herbivores for the plants then

though this is not exactly something you can fix

maybe i need to revise the formula

[civic grotto]

I have acid mushrooms, 2 creepvines and a blue palm

[trail ether]

oh there is your problem then

it needs to be a kelp-themed ACU too

[civic grotto]

I'm not sure why it isnt

[trail ether]

neither acid mushrooms nor blue palms are kelp flora

[civic grotto]

Is there really any kelp flora beyond kelp?

[bitter monolith]

bloodvine?

maybe the databanks say

also, im just sharing that the sunbeam debris appears to have finally spawned. that wasnt frustrating at all. 😛

[civic grotto]

Its spawned for me, I can scan for it, but it doesnt seem like it has a model, I hope that changes when I actually go over there in person

[civic grotto]

how'd you deal with the creature?

[trail ether]

no

[trail ether]

??

[civic grotto]

I'm just talking about the ||reaper|| that tends to hang around the sunbeam debris

[trail ether]

ah

[bitter monolith]

ironically enough the ||warper|| caused me more problems, but i got really good at circle-strafing until the ||reaper|| wandered away for a bit. i drowned more than once due to forgetting to refill my backup tank, but i had a base in the ||platform moonpool|| nearby with a scanner room that i respawned at

i decided not to play any more hardcore until i finished at least one survival run >_>

[loud python]

So those are the random noises that keep freaking me out.

[marsh spear]

kelp and "fertile kelp" are two different plants

you get one by planting creepvine samples and the other by planting creepvine seeds

[civic grotto]

I've been planting seeds

[loud python]

Getting water is such a pain in this mod. I feel like i'm about to extinguish the bladderfish population lol

[upper dock]

yeah water is a WAY bigger deal early in this compared to vanilla lol

lot harder to get disinfected water

[loud python]

No idea where to get chlorine. iirc in vanilla it comes from deep mushrooms, and i can't remeber where those were. Probably somewhere I can't go since I've just barely got the seamoth

[civic grotto]

I can spoil it if you want

but look for other sources of noxious materials

[cerulean comet]

just get the ||stillsuit|| lmao

[trail ether]

there are like 200 crates with it around the map

[trail ether]

no

you are thinking of hydrochloric acid

[upper dock]

I was out of water constantly in early game

I actually died of dehydration like 3 times lol

[trail ether]

@civic grotto and @marsh spear and others https://i.imgur.com/rPyZcBm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TxOufTu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/E5pSLp3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/w9gEgQn.jpg

[marsh spear]

lovely, thanks

[civic grotto]

Poggers

[trail ether]

the too many herbivore flag seems spurious too

investigating

oh derp i just have the evaluation flipped

introduced in this rewrite

[marsh spear]

would it be easy to add an approximate time per tooth calculation, since you have the toy value there?

[trail ether]

it is not timed

it is random

                if (teeth < 6 && consistent && healthy && potentialBiomes.Contains(BiomeRegions.RegionType.Kelp)) {
                    foreach (Stalker s in stalkers) {
                        float f = dT*stalkerToyValue*0.00012F*(1+2*s.Happy.Value);
                        //SNUtil.writeToChat(s.Happy.Value+" x "+stalkerToyValue+" > "+f);
                        if (UnityEngine.Random.Range(0F, 1F) < f) {
                            //do not use, so can have ref to GO; reimplement // s.LoseTooth();
                            GameObject go = UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate<GameObject>(s.toothPrefab);
                            //SNUtil.writeToChat(s+" > "+go);
                            go.transform.position = s.loseToothDropLocation.transform.position;
                            go.transform.rotation = s.loseToothDropLocation.transform.rotation;
                            if (go.activeSelf && s.isActiveAndEnabled) {
                                foreach (Collider c in go.GetComponentsInChildren<Collider>())
                                    Physics.IgnoreCollision(s.stalkerBodyCollider, c);
                            }
                            Utils.PlayFMODAsset(s.loseToothSound, go.transform, 8f);
                            LargeWorldEntity.Register(go);
                            acu.AddItem(go.GetComponent<Pickupable>());
                        }
                    }
                }```

that is called every frame

[marsh spear]

right, but you have a probability per frame there. you can turn that into an 'average time per tooth' i meant

[trail ether]

except it varies based on properties specific to each stalker, and for that matter on other variables like how many teeth are in the ACU at that ,oment

[marsh spear]

ah, true

nevermind then

[trail ether]

plus the dynamic PDA page engine I have is built for placeholders

not for "show / do not show" blocks

meaning the stalker tooth timing would show even for non-stalker ACUs

which feels bad

        <pda>
            Contents
            --------------
            $contents
            
            Ecosystem Data
            --------------
            Biome Archetype: $biome
            Plant Count: $plants
            Total Herbivore 'Units': $herbivores
            Total Carnivore 'Units': $carnivores
            
            Ecosystem Details
            --------------
            Kharaa Infection Load: $infected
            Enzyme Host Peepers: $sparkles
            Productivity Factor: +$bonus%
            
            Ecosystem Alerts
            --------------
            $alerts
            
            Misc Data
            --------------
            Stalker Toy Value: $stalkerToy
        </pda>```

            internal void printTerminalInfo() {
                Dictionary<string, object> values = new Dictionary<string, object>();
                values["contents"] = generateContentList();
                values["biome"] = currentTheme;
                values["plants"] = plantCount;
                values["herbivores"] = herbivoreCount;
                values["carnivores"] = carnivoreCount;
                values["sparkles"] = sparkleCount;
                values["infected"] = infectedTotal.ToString("0.00");
                values["bonus"] = (currentBonus*100).ToString("0.00");
                values["stalkerToy"] = stalkerToyValue.ToString("0.0");
                values["alerts"] = string.Join("\n", currentWarnings);
                
                XMLLocale.LocaleEntry e = AqueousEngineeringMod.acuMonitorBlock.locale;
                PDAManager.PDAPage pp = PDAManager.getPage(e.key+"PDA");
                pp.unlock();
                pp.setPlaceholderValues(e.pda, values, true);
                pp.show();
            }```

            public void update(string text, bool force = false, bool allowNotification = true) {
                if (this.text == text)
                    return;
                this.text = text;
                injectString(force, allowNotification);
            }
            
            public void setPlaceholderValues(string template, Dictionary<string, object> values, bool force = false, bool allowNotification = true) {
                update(values.Aggregate(template, (placeholder, value) => placeholder.Replace("$"+value.Key, value.Value.ToString())), force, allowNotification);
            }
            
            private void injectString(bool force = false, bool allowNotification = true) {/*
                if (force && DIHooks.isWorldLoaded())
                    Language.main.strings["EncyDesc_"+pageData.key] = text;
                else*/
                    LanguageHandler.SetLanguageLine("EncyDesc_"+pageData.key, text);
                    if (force && DIHooks.isWorldLoaded()) {
                        uGUI_EncyclopediaTab tab = ((uGUI_EncyclopediaTab)Player.main.GetPDA().ui.tabs[PDATab.Encyclopedia]);
                        if (tab) {
                            if (tab.activeEntry && tab.activeEntry.key == pageData.key)
                                tab.DisplayEntry(pageData.key);//.SetText(text);
                        }
                    }
                    if (allowNotification)
                        markUpdated(5);
            }```

also I am aware the ecossytem warnings are hardcoded and not localizable

I am not sure this is worth fixing

as it would be considerable effort to make them localizable

it is on my TODO list but not exactly high priority

[upper dock]

Looks awesome

[bitter monolith]

would it be possible to moderate the volume of debris splashing down by its distance? it sounds like everyone splashes down right behind me and its pretty loud lol

[trail ether]

it does fade with depth

[bitter monolith]

shouldnt there be a ||lifepod|| here..?

[trail ether]

yes

did you modify your game/save data somehow

eg deleting cells cache

[bitter monolith]

i dont think so?

i performed an entreset at one point

[trail ether]

that is it

that is what did it

[bitter monolith]

well curses. it says it reloads them, not deletes them entirely

[trail ether]

for vanilla maybe

no promises what it does to modded GOs

[bitter monolith]

thats entirely fair. i assume that is something that is only built on game creation?

[bitter monolith]

as i suspected, couldnt restore it, so i found the cell id and copied the cache data from a brand new game over to mine. crisis averted

[unkempt remnant]

Morning! I was hoping for a hint where I could find “Rare Minerals.” I looked in the Crabsnake shrooms because it looked like a variant of cave sulfur but that wasn’t it. And the PDA doesn’t give any leads.

I was also hoping to know how the auto update feature worked.

[unreal flame]

||what does rare minerals replace?||

[unkempt remnant]

Oh, so it has to replace something?

[unreal flame]

||it replaces a certain item in some basegame recipes. what does it replace?||

[unkempt remnant]

Sorry, not a genius on the modding scene. 😅

Ahh

I see

[unreal flame]

as for auto-update, i'm not sure how reika implemented it

it probably downloads and replaces the relevant mod files during or after the game stops

possibly also restarting the game after, but i'm not sure

[unkempt remnant]

How did I not realize she reskinned the ||table coral|| because of the change…? sigh

[unreal flame]

||not a reskin, but an intermediate||

[unkempt remnant]

||Table Coral|| is definitely not purple in vanilla XD

[unreal flame]

||ah, but it is. there are four colors of table coral||

[tulip silo]

4? i only saw 2

[unkempt remnant]

Can anyone give me info on the Nanolathing Drone? Do I need a blueprint for it? I’m really confused because I need it for the Vehicle Bay but I have no blueprint for it…

[trail ether]

SML creates the spawners on game load

[trail ether]

I did not

[trail ether]

it comes in four

[trail ether]

you are not off to a good start asking for help on how to get every single new material you come across

[unkempt remnant]

Nope I’m not

[unreal flame]

just make sure to visit every signal

[unkempt remnant]

I wasn’t originally going to ask for help

But the way I play the game tends to break the progression system

[unreal flame]

and remember, it's not always about the destination, but the journey

[bitter monolith]

yes, im well over 30 hours into my first C2C playthrough and i can tell you right now, if you attempt to hurry up and progress down the tech tree like in vanilla, you will spend far too much time running around like a chicken with your head cut off. better to pretend like you dont know what is unlocked next (because you kinda dont!) and explore everything like its a brand new game. pay attention to messages about local environments as they often give you clues to nearby stuff

[unreal flame]

sage wisdom

[cerulean comet]

is this a bug?

[marsh spear]

yeah that's not what's supposed to be shown there

looks like a wrong return

[loud python]

||You can find pieces of it relatively close to the starting zone, and they aren't in a place that is difficult to reach either. You just have to be a little thorough in your exploration.||

[trail ether]

the display? yes it is

easily fixed

[trail ether]

got broken by my making the latest version into a promise of one, ie a Func<ModVersion>

of course ToString() remains valid either way

ok fixed

[trail ether]

and pay attention to the PDA

[neon rock]

lsd in subnautica no way

[trail ether]

stop eating gelsacks XD

[neon rock]

why do they get you high now

[ebon vigil]

but where game everything is up to date but i still get the out of date error message i just did a full fresh install of the mod bundle of everything up to date form the github and it still won't go away

i'mmage in a momment

[trail ether]

yes

[ebon vigil]

nvm apprently it desided to fix itsel?????

wtf

oh wel

[neon rock]

i love it

[loud python]

I accidentally ate a jellyshroom seed and I'm pretty sure Riley got diarrhea

[loud python]

Are you expected to deal with reapers before you have any tool to stop them, like the statis rifle or the seamoth's electric pulse thingy?

[trail ether]

define "deal with"

[loud python]

Let's say, be at significant risk of being eaten by one

[bitter monolith]

not really

theyre hard to miss

even if you get attacked, wildlife in subnautica is practicaly programmed not to kill you in one go if it can help it

i honestly am more concerned about swarms of bonesharks than any reaper

7 love taps in a row are pretty painful

[loud python]

Bonesharks make me break immersion and go full murder hobo

[bitter monolith]

full rambo-with-no-ammo

[loud python]

Also i'm keenly aware that reapers aren't as much of a threat as they look like, but my ptsd from my first reaper encounter won't let me be

[bitter monolith]

no no, i hear ya

subnautica all on its own tickles that fear part of my brain

it is probably why i keep playing for hours on end, alternating between bursts of adrenaline followed by crafting and building

[loud python]

So now i tried going into the dunes (something I never did in vanilla) understanding i'd face a reaper or two

3 of them, really close by, just won't let me in

How do you even enter that area?

[trail ether]

yes

argyuably in vanilla too

[trail ether]

whichi spot has three

[trail ether]

I get that out of a different game https://i.imgur.com/U3X0cZ7.png https://i.imgur.com/Pz1I8kw.jpg

[bitter monolith]

ah yes, good ol barotrauma, where i cant find a good crew to save my life xD

[trail ether]

I play with AIs

makes on-foot stuff both difficult and scary though

I cannot bring myself to go into alien ruins, caves, or a lot of wrecked ships

just did a beacon mission for the first time some days ago and that was hard

[loud python]

Dunes bordering mushroom forest and kelp zone. I could see two of them normally and a third one slightly behind using the seamoth sonar. I can't possibly get through that nor tank the damage. I'm guessing that's not intended?

Ohh, what game is that?

....does the sonar attract them?

It'd make sense lore-wise

[unreal flame]

astute observation

[trail ether]

https://youtu.be/YUOWk-o8vaM

[trail ether]

indeed it does

now the follow-up question: do I have a mod that adds mechanics that "make sense", or otherwise expand upon creature/plant behavior and properties like that

this is rhetorical

[loud python]

No wonder why i had 3 reapers over me. I had been luring them!

[marsh spear]

played dredge recently and it also does this. very Subnautica vibes in general despite being very different gameplay

plus just like Subnautica they announced an Arctic dlc lol

if I had a nickel for every time a horror fish/ocean game announced an Arctic dlc I'd have 2 nickels which isn't a lot but its weird that it happened twice

[loud python]

Does the sonar in the seamoth stay active when I am out of it? I wonder if I can use it to lure them away from me

[marsh spear]

do you not have creature decoys

[loud python]

Nope

[marsh spear]

that's the ideal solution to that problem I think

[trail ether]

why would it "stay active" when you are not even using it

[bitter monolith]

||what is the true point of the acoustic suppression module? ghost leviathans are still spawning in the void and coming at me when i am doing nothing but silently sitting here in my seamoth, so i must be misunderstanding something||

[bitter monolith]

||oh snap, ok, so after i dig around i see it hinted that recently collecting phytoplankton is another trigger. got it. xD||

i have to say that i am digging the mod, especially the 'frustrating' parts where i realize i am usually just making things more difficult on myself. i went through the 5 stages of grief one and a half times during ||my search for geyser coral before breaking down and putting scanner rooms and light sticks freaking everywhere||

[bitter monolith]

ok, welp, new problem

||while sitting out in the void, phytoplankton slowly spawned in around me||

and i mean completely around, every direction

my FPS and entire game slowed to an absolute crawl

||it eventually spawned directly on me, triggering the leviathans and my death since i couldnt play||

i definitely fail to see how that could be a feature

confirmed the behavior twice

perhaps a cap on spawns might help

[trail ether]

there is a cap

            spawnData["sparsereef"] = new BiomeSpawnData(5, 0.5F, 1F, 120);
            spawnData["mountains"] = new BiomeSpawnData(6, 1F, 0F, 120);
            spawnData["cragfield"] = new BiomeSpawnData(12, 1, 0.5F, 150);
            spawnData["void"] = new BiomeSpawnData(25, 4, 1, 400);```

    class BiomeSpawnData {
        
        public readonly int maxDensity;
        public readonly float spawnSuccessRate;
        public readonly float densityNoiseIntensity;
        public readonly int minDepth;
        public readonly int maxDepth;
        
        internal BiomeSpawnData(int d, float r, float n, int maxd, int mind = 15) {
            maxDensity = d;
            spawnSuccessRate = r;
            densityNoiseIntensity = n;
            minDepth = mind;
            maxDepth = maxd;
        }
        
    }```

also i thought I fixed their lag issue

[trail ether]

too many people assume the module is magic or works on "game logic" and just sets a flag and now you are immune

whereas everything in C2C and its basis mods works off of something much more like in-universe logic

[bitter monolith]

Is this saying that up to 25 instances of them can spawn? That seems like alot lol

should i provide a log of some kind, or would that not really help as far as nailing down the performance drop?

[marsh spear]

if you know this, why wouldn't you just... take out the scoop?

[bitter monolith]

well, yes, after i knew this i removed the scoop. i just did the additional testing with the scoop in since i was right there

[unreal flame]

it's not the scoop lol

[bitter monolith]

meh, i assumed it did the triggering bit, but even if it didnt it wasnt helping me to keep it in lol

[neon rock]

its fixed for me

i dont lag anymore with c2c

[trail ether]

you can look for exceptions but other than that there would not be logging related to lag

[mint rover]

Hallo 🙂
is there a changelog for all the updates for seatosea/c2c ? 🙂

[silent marsh]

Doesn't look like it. I was going to point you to their commit log, as that can often be used as a changelog, but it seems every commit in the repo is just "Update 331 - v76" etc, with no description of what's been changed.

[trail ether]

until recently yes

and I will go back and fill them in once I regain the ability to edit my site

[trail ether]

there was until I lost the ability to update my site

[mint rover]

Okay 🙂

last question, why one of your mods is the one that balance other mods ? also playing with fcs mod, but something is missing in the shop of theirs ? 🙂

[trail ether]

FCS is unbalanced to the point of completely breaking C2C

[bitter monolith]

just thought id share an interesting bug, but after picking up the ||databox for breathing fluid||||, the game acted like i suddenly had it equipped, going into my seamoth or base/surface led to me taking damage and no oxygen gain||. i unequipped all gear and saved and reloaded subnautica and all was fine.

[unreal flame]

that's a weird one

[bitter monolith]

uh, wait, maybe it was not related. ||does going under 500m somehow make you take damage next time you return to an oxygen environment? i went to the degasi seabase in the reef and got back into my seamoth in time, but didnt regain oxygen and kept taking damage again||

[trail ether]

you take pulmonary damage that needs to heal

[bitter monolith]

ohhhh

[bitter monolith]

every time i attempt to close the ACU monitor using Tab it reopens again. this a known bug by chance?

im forced to quit every time, have no option but not to use it, which kinda sucks since these units can get confusing

oh ok, if i choose another random info tab aside from the ACU one i can close it, so thats good

[trail ether]

yes and i just fixed it

[loud python]

I feel so dumb for not having figured out how to make disinfected water since the early game. It was quite obvious tbh.

[bitter monolith]

thats ok, i only just recently discovered that ||the geysers in safe shallows are throwing out rare minerals||

also, a known recipes tab right in the bioprocessor window would be awesome

[trail ether]

that is not how the PDA works

also unrelated https://i.imgur.com/CKmzuEn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8kpKfsm.jpg

AE now supports mod-added ACU biome themes

[bitter monolith]

oh, speaking of, ive loaded an ACU with plants/herbivores but the carnivore isnt 'producing'. does the biome need to be 100% consistent across all species..?

[trail ether]

to get a biome theme yes but that is not a hard requirement for getting poo

but it takes time

and things that reduce the rate will mean it takes even longer

[bitter monolith]

okily dokily, ill just keep checkin on it. also, should the cleaner recipe auto-unlock? because i dont have it. if not ill keep poking around ofc

[trail ether]

it will unlokc when you would benefit from it

[bitter monolith]

ahh kk

[loud python]

I am so lost. 20 hours in and still just seamoth-tech.

[loud python]

Every single f*ing time.

[unreal flame]

That sounds right, yeah

[marsh spear]

let's go I'm making these as soon as I get the game working again

...which will be a while but still. the glass forest one looks super cool

I assume there's no void spikes theme

[bitter monolith]

yeah, this is kinda how it goes. im 52 hours in, and while i could technically build a cyclops, i need those resources for other things lol

[upper dock]

C2C pretty drastically extends the game yeah, while 20 hours is about the length of a first playthrough, in C2C for a first playthrough that's still in early game or transitioning into midgame probably

unless you just get really lucky with finding things fast

[trail ether]

correct

it has no defining flora or fauna

and is instead defined by its topography, ie not a thing for the ACU

so it is lumped into "other" like other topography-defined biomes, eg dunes, mountains, and underwater islands

[bitter monolith]

my stalkers are not pooping 😦

ive got a 2-tall unit, 2 creepvines and 2 seedvines, kelp biome, 1 reg stalker and 1 abyssal stalker, and loads of floaters

just not the floaters i am hoping for

[trail ether]

floaters?

those are not native to any biome, and more importantly not even a food fish

and abyssal stalkers are not native to the kelp

the ecosystem warnings would definitely have warned you about this

[loud python]

Between reapers and depth i'm having a real hard time finding new recipies. Hopefully I can make some progress in the mountains.

Also my scanner is not finding any of t||he sunbeam debree||. The scanner room shows the option, but finds none of it.

[bitter monolith]

oh sorry, im dumb, i meant hoverfish

i created a reef one too with eyeyes and membrains, the abyssals wouldnt poop in there either

maybe i am just barking up the wrong mushroom tree with stalkers...