SeaToSea

[marsh spear]

I did

[unreal flame]

oh, wack

[marsh spear]

I have a hud chip

thankfully i was able to just spawn one with the console because i found 20 of the damn things i wasn't about to wait for a patch or something

[wispy kelp]

OH

||AZURITE ELECTROCUTES YOU??? ||

fuck i love this mod

[slender stone]

why invent? You can use already created old mods from FCStudios. I use both the teleport "FCS_QuantumTeleporter" and parcels "FCS_AlterraShipping" between bases.

[bitter kraken]

Why old tho?

[unreal flame]

you only just found out?

[faint jetty]

lol

[trail ether]

I made it require one fewer on non-hard

[marsh spear]

does that mean hard mode needs 22???

[unreal flame]

All 22, yes

[marsh spear]

ah yes all 22 that don't all exist

lovely

[coral dagger]

there are 22

used to require all of them even in not hard mode

the hunt sucks so much it almost made me quit c2c

i found like 19 over many hours then gave up and looked at the source code to find the rest

but at least the scanner room works now

it didn't at that stage

[trail ether]

yes they do

[marsh spear]

they did not for me

see: this, and also the scanner room picking up something in the abyss right abov eit

[wispy kelp]

also

@trail ether im going to unlock fcs finally now

ill let you know how it plays balance wise with deathrun on and everything on hard

5 power cells is ABSURDLY expensive with the mods i have

[wispy kelp]

oh oh my god

@trail ether having this recipe from fcs and YOUR recipe for plasteel makes this EXTREMELY hard

[marsh spear]

i mean they're not supposed to be balanced together

it says that on the website

[wispy kelp]

no i know

i have been doing some testing and have tried to make an extremely hard modpack for subnautica

getting into fcs is extremely difficult now which is valid

i have deathrun c2c and fcs on and all upped to extreme difficulty

because to my knowledge getting ||volcanic traces|| isn't exactly simple nor easy

[marsh spear]

no it's in fact a nightmare

[marsh spear]

you may want to look into making a mod yourself as 'glue', to alter recipes and whatnot for balance

[wispy kelp]

yeah rn im just doing an honor system

but the pack so far is EXTREMELY difficult

i have fcs on as well so that you have to provide oxygen TO your base

so you cant just place down a base for FREE o2

and you also cant base in really deep areas now unless you make a long tunnel of pipes

like a LONG one.

not to mention whats needed to even beat the game

[marsh spear]

ah i love finally making the liquid breathing system- which cost me my rebreather and oxygen tank btw- and then finding out i can't even use it without doing another thing i have no idea how to even start

[wispy kelp]

deathrun and having that is insanely useful

deathrun has its own like pressure system

but c2cs works along with it and omg

i truly believe this is like the HARDEST subnautica experience

[marsh spear]

...oh

[wispy kelp]

like one moment

[marsh spear]

||StoryHandler.instance.registerTrigger(new EncylopediaTrigger("HeroPeeper"), new TechUnlockEffect(CraftingItems.getItem(CraftingItems.Items.WeakEnzyme42).TechType, 1, 6));||
well i have that encyclopedia entry soo

[marsh spear]

bug?

[wispy kelp]

this is my base.

im doing c2c blind as well

[marsh spear]

good luck with that

[wispy kelp]

the aurora

IS SO FAR OUT.

[marsh spear]

if i'm reading this right, scanning an ||enzyme peeper|| should automatically unlock the ||WeakEnzyme42|| recipe right

except it didn't

[trail ether]

it worked for me

are you sure you know what entry that is

[trail ether]

ok yes

open that PDA page, then open the runtime editor GUI

then search for ugui_pda

find the Encyclopedia child object

it will have a ugui_EncyclopediaTab component or something like that

find its activeEntry, and that value's key

what is it

[marsh spear]

hold on i can't type in the search bar gimme a sec

[wispy kelp]

||also. the deep forest is now probably one of the most dangerous biomes||

this is fucking terrifying thanks to de extinction.

||im taking heat damage here???||

[marsh spear]

hm i'm not getting any results which is... strange

ok something's screwing with the runtime editor actually- there seems to be one giant object which... contains c2c code?

or

something

there's a few of those actually

ok got it

no idea why the object browser is hiding things

...and my pda is blank wtf

ok the key is HeroPeeper

which is. exactly what it's supposed to be

pff. and exiting the game played the sfx from when you take the liquid tank off

of course there's no console command to re lock an encyclopedia entry

[wispy kelp]

i should put a base in the deep forest sometime

solely for observation and studying

[trail ether]

that is normal but the search will filter them out

[trail ether]

ok in the REPL console run PDAEncyclopedia.entries.ContainsKey("HeroPeeper")

[marsh spear]

True

[trail ether]

then my trigger should have fired

[marsh spear]

hence my confusion

[trail ether]

run another REPL command

KnownTech.knownTech.Contains(ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.CraftingItems.getItem(ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.CraftingItems.Items.WeakEnzyme42).TechType)

waaaaaaaaaaait

[trail ether]

have you just blindly assumed it is a fabricator recipe

[marsh spear]

no, I was looking through my blueprints tab for it

[trail ether]

it is there

I saw it when adding it

[marsh spear]

what section is it in, bioprocessor?

[trail ether]

https://i.imgur.com/Eg6dwaF.jpg

||https://i.imgur.com/KSA8iIk.jpg||

[marsh spear]

???

[trail ether]

ok maybe my tech unlock system is not working with bioproc output

i see i had some special handling for them

hold on

ok

run this in REPL

ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.StoryHandler.instance.registerTrigger(new ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.EncylopediaTrigger("HeroPeeper"), new ReikaKalseki.DIAlterra.TechUnlockEffect(ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.Bioprocessor.getRecipeReferenceItem(ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.CraftingItems.getItem(ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.CraftingItems.Items.WeakEnzyme42).TechType), 1, 6))

effectively you will be adding at runtime the hook I will add natively

it should work

[wispy kelp]

hey question?

[wispy kelp]

||do bioprocessor fragments spawn mostly in like the dunes or elsewhere as well???||

[trail ether]

ok hold on

[modest shoal]

Quite a few are behind doors that need to be cut

[marsh spear]

oddly, now that i know that recipe, i am able to make it

[wispy kelp]

ahhhhh thank you

[trail ether]

ohhhhhhhhhh

[marsh spear]

the bioprocessor will let me do it without the recipe being in the BP section

[trail ether]

it is because of the way I implemented needing sparkle peepers

[wispy kelp]

btw stuff youre adding is like

being added to worlds right

like every update and all

also how have you been reika?

[trail ether]

?

[wispy kelp]

like has anything been added to the worlds in recent updates?

that would require a new world? or no.

[modest shoal]

he's asking if you have to start a new save to get the juicy newness

[trail ether]

they spawn in five places in four biomes

[wispy kelp]

wait whats even new is there like a new biome or something

[trail ether]

there is

[wispy kelp]

shiiiiitttt.

[trail ether]

you might like the plant I added to it actually

[wispy kelp]

does that new biome get put into old worlds or does it require a new world

since the whole run im doing rn

[modest shoal]

Not sure if this is a vanilla bug, but if you drink stilsuit water (+20 water, -3 food) you don't lose food if you're over 100

[trail ether]

|| https://i.imgur.com/7vao5aT.jpg https://i.imgur.com/SadmJBp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PsGVjUy.jpg https://i.imgur.com/jVkcnp6.jpg||

[marsh spear]

(although, getting that item i now have nothing to do with it... do i need to hunt down another blueprint??)

[wispy kelp]

huh wait what?

isnt that just the biome ||near the aurora?||

[trail ether]

||https://i.imgur.com/rDRHHo0.jpg||

[trail ether]

kind of

but this was added in late july

which was after you were last active

[wispy kelp]

ah

[trail ether]

also I know you know the source inspiration for this plant's appearance

[wispy kelp]

ye

do i need a new world to find these?

or will they generate in the save ive been using

[trail ether]

they will retrogen

and the biome probably will too

[wispy kelp]

whats retrogen if i may ask

[trail ether]

I do not affect that kind of logic

[wispy kelp]

sorry for so many questions btw

[trail ether]

retroactive generation

a term I am borrowing from MC

where most gen is not retroactive, hence the existence of a specialized term

[wispy kelp]

ahh cool

so like even on old worlds if i update the stuff from new worlds should gen in the older save

cool

ty for that

i plan on planting these around the forest

[modest shoal]

oh you took a photo of your monitor

[wispy kelp]

???

[modest shoal]

I was really confused why it was blury in some spots

[wispy kelp]

oh that just happens

this is ingame

[modest shoal]

are you playing on a toaster?

[marsh spear]

or is this an effect of the ??? thats going on

[modest shoal]

the colors look weird too

[marsh spear]

i am

15 fps is high for me lol

[wispy kelp]

im using a shader

[modest shoal]

ohhh

ok

was gonna say, look at the difference in colors, regarless of pixils

Is there any use for ||Nanolathing drone|| beyond the vehicle bay? I got an extra one ||from the sunbeam ruins||

[wispy kelp]

whoa WHAT??

What are THESE i aint seen these before!!!

HOLY SHIT

@trail ether HOLY FUCKING SHIT???

NO WONDER THIS TAKES THAT LONG

[trail ether]

yes

[trail ether]

yes your graphics settings are on "Extra shitty"

[wispy kelp]

nuh uh

[modest shoal]

he's running it off a ti-89 titanium, cut him some slack

[wispy kelp]

im sorry but its 100 percent worth cutting into this area

||holy fucking SHIT this is a treasure trove||

[modest shoal]

you mean the ||rusted base on the other side of the aurora?|| There's also some ||plankton|| that can help you jumpstart your progress

[trail ether]

||https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/474670433275215873/1132879030987788318/image.png https://i.imgur.com/AMcRkC1.jpg||

[modest shoal]

err what's that top one from?

[wispy kelp]

yes

[trail ether]

https://youtu.be/Rz2SNm8VguE?t=21

https://youtu.be/Rz2SNm8VguE?t=70

[modest shoal]

well aren't you a fancy pants

[trail ether]

looks at decidedly not-fancy shorts

[modest shoal]

fancy can have a low bar

[trail ether]

try the same with TechType.Peeper instead of ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.CraftingItems.getItem(ReikaKalseki.SeaToSea.CraftingItems.Items.WeakEnzyme42).TechType

I fixed it anyway

||https://i.imgur.com/bImG9jq.jpg||

[wispy kelp]

o h.

[slender stone]

These two mods have different oxygen consumption systems. c2c won't work. go down to a depth of 400 to 500m and you will see

[wispy kelp]

they do work actually

ive been using it this whole time

||o2 consumption goes up at 400 ||

get a rebreather

[slender stone]

I have DeathRun version 2.2.2 and this is it. what version do you have?

[wispy kelp]

i dunno

same as you

but it works so i dont know what you mean by it doesnt work

unless youre reffering to the pressure??

[slender stone]

oxygen consumption in the original c2c is more hardcore. DeathRun neutralizes this effect.

[modest shoal]

errr, does this mean ||plankton|| isn't spawning for me properly?

[trail ether]

quite possibly

but it works for me and everyone else

[modest shoal]

restarting seemed to fix it, but now I can't figure out what to do, ||I've got the seamoth sampling scoop attached, i hopped out and scanned the plankton, but pressing the button to activate the slot its in doesn't seem to work, nor does it seem to work passivly?|| not sure what i'm supposed to do

[trail ether]

yes it does

[modest shoal]

passively?

Oh, ||there's no texture and you access it on the front of the seamoth, i assumed it was just going to put it into a free storage module, or that you'd access it from the spot the module would normally appear at||

[slender stone]

however, the crushing depth can be specified in the "Tweaks and Fixes" mod. I tried combining these three mods: c2c+T&F+DR. but in "T&F" "CurativeBandage" and "KharaaTreatment" do not work. so either play the original c2c, or half of the ideas won’t work, but there will be nitrogen disease, crush depth, radiation challenge...

[wispy kelp]

what are these two things you talk about

the curative bandage and

kharaatreatment??

what is T&F???

[modest shoal]

tweeks and fixes

[wispy kelp]

i don't even use that

theyve been working together pretty well so far just c2c and dr

[slender stone]

Additionally, you will need to disable crush pressure at depth in DeathRun. because the "SealedSuit" does not have a crush depth specified.

[modest shoal]

I haven't messed with it, but jinn seems to be saying when you start getting further along is when stuff breaks, not the inital progression

[wispy kelp]

youre talking about the chem suit???

i think it...does work actually?

and if it doesnt ill figure out a way around

[modest shoal]

how far down did you go?

[wispy kelp]

its why im doing a test run

this suit??

[slender stone]

yes

[wispy kelp]

yeah i think it worked

[modest shoal]

again, how far down did you go though?

[wispy kelp]

and if not ill figure out a way

i havent made it in this playthrough yet

[modest shoal]

i mean, how can you say you think it worked if you haven't tried it? lol

[wispy kelp]

i tried it in creative

[modest shoal]

how far down did you go in creative?

[wispy kelp]

im doing testing with this run can you back up please?

[modest shoal]

like depth

[wispy kelp]

This kinda feels like its being shoved at me and i didn't really ask for that

like i said if it doesn't ill figure out a way around.

i forgot this existed

lmao howd this happen

at 0 0 0

ill clear it later

[marsh spear]

that's a known thing... clear000 sometimes fixes it

that actually also happens in vanilla although not with that object

[wispy kelp]

im curious

does the next seamoth depth module MK2 require something unique from vanilla play?

[slender stone]

to @trail ether . we need to increase the "MiniPoop" value in recipes. And reduce the value of "seatreaderpoop", make it rare or insignificant by changing the recipe. This will stimulate the breeding of fish at the base in ACU.

[slender stone]

1.already extracted resources periodically (after a reboot?) reappear in open boxes.
2.double use of a small first aid kit, a large first aid kit, a canister. the second does not disappear, but remains as ballast (disappears after a reboot). this also happens with drinking bottles found in opening boxes in the world.
3.why make a compass if it doesn't work?
4.why make a plasteeltank if its cost is higher than that of a highcapacitytank, and its speed and capacity are lower?

[unreal flame]

I don’t think c2c changes anything about how either of the tanks are made

Aside from plasteel now requiring volcanic traces

[slender stone]

no, in vanilla the plasteeltank (−0.13м/с) has the highest speed, and the highcapacitytank (−0,60м/с) has the lowest, which is logical

[unreal flame]

as I understand it, there's not much benefit to the speed differences anyway?

[slender stone]

and the benefit of the volume of air contained?

[unreal flame]

i think that's self-evident

[slender stone]

I mean that there is no point in making it, and its usefulness for the game disappears, just like the compass.

[unreal flame]

i'm more saying it wasn't useful to begin with

[slender stone]

I don't want to prove the opposite to you. That's not the point. but the fact that the price does not correspond to the quality (applicability). and if the mod changes the recipe anyway, then it would be possible to give significance to all things. for example, make a chain where the next oxygen cylinder requires the previous one.

[unreal flame]

i mean, the lightweight tank is meant to be a diverging "final choice" from the ultra tank

[slender stone]

Well then you need to make it attractive - increase the speed, attach a fan, fox ears. and now it is inferior in everything even to an doubletank

[upper dock]

yeah that weird double-use thing has been happening to me

if I have multiple first aid kits in my inventory, I have to use them from the rightmost one inwards

if I try to use one on the left side, it'll use all of them at once but only give the benefit of one

have verified this happens with only C2C + dependencies

[frank scaffold]

Hey guys

[slender stone]

debrise impact predicted in 0:-44:-40 😮

[slender stone]

Using the first aid kit and drinking water are on my hotkeys, which means they are used from left to right. Now I’ll have to open my inventory and use it as usual, thanks for the tip.

[tulip silo]

not really fcs has a module that provides oxygen to your base by just attaching it to your base

[trail ether]

sea treader poop is a pain in the ass to get

[tulip silo]

real

it was the limiting factor for all of my bioprocessor operations

[trail ether]

1. again? I fixed that like five times

[trail ether]

wtf

[tulip silo]

is legacy being unstable what is causing all of these bugs?

[trail ether]

i have no idea

[upper glacier]

hello i tried putting c2c and fcs altera hub and it's telling it will bear the c2c mod is it true?

[trail ether]

it will unbalance things

also @muted cosmos another E:D reference I forgot to mention for the wiki - the planned audiovisual design of the leviathan's attacks

https://youtu.be/VjEJfl8xZaE?t=28

as seen in my demo where I actuated a reefback with the same effect https://youtu.be/G8EwMJgt_zw

[trail ether]

video is a year old so things have been refined since

[upper dock]

ANGY reefbacks

[marsh spear]

i already have radial tabs installed... is this supposed to show up anyway?

[trail ether]

no

are you using an unusual build of radialtabs

for me the modid is AgonyRadialCraftingTabs

[marsh spear]

downloaded the legacy build off nexus

yes that's the modid for me too

AgonyRadialCraftingTabs

[frank scaffold]

Can you send the files

[trail ether]

then why is it not recognizing it being installed

[frank scaffold]

You might have the mods in the wrong place

[trail ether]

        if (!QModManager.API.QModServices.Main.ModPresent("AgonyRadialCraftingTabs")) {
            string msg = "RadialTabs is recommended when using SeaToSea to ensure that all crafting nodes in fabricator UIs remain onscreen.";
            SNUtil.createPopupWarning(msg, true/*, SNUtil.createPopupButton("Download", () => {
                System.Diagnostics.Process.Start("https://www.nexusmods.com/Core/Libs/Common/Widgets/ModRequirementsPopUp?id=2624&game_id=1155");
                Application.Quit(64);
            }), SNUtil.createPopupButton("Ignore")*/);
            SNUtil.log(msg+" You should add this mod if at all possible.");
        }```

[marsh spear]

i do not because the mods work

[marsh spear]

maybe a load order issue?

i'm not familiar with qmodmanager admittedly, but that seems like something that could happen

[frank scaffold]

Also just a question

Are your graphics set really low

[marsh spear]

lowest possible yes

[trail ether]

I am checking if it is installed, not accessing any content it adds

plus this is already in postload

[frank scaffold]

Did you pull the mod files out from the original point they where extracted from?

[marsh spear]

...what?

they're all in the qmods folder

and they're loading fine, as evidenced by my circular fabricator window

[frank scaffold]

Nono

Once extracted you will have all the needed files in a folder and that folder will be in another folder you need to remove the first file from the second for mods to work properly

[marsh spear]

...not if you have your archive program set up properly they won't

i promise i know what i'm doing

[frank scaffold]

?

Now I’m confused

[marsh spear]

look the 'create a folder on extract' is an option in most archive programs. it's off in mine.

because most people make zipfiles of entire folders like this. it turns on automatically if it detects a bunch of loose files

[frank scaffold]

Can you teach me to do that

[marsh spear]

what program do you use to unzip stuff

[frank scaffold]

I’d have to check

[marsh spear]

either way you can probably search (your program name) + folder on extract or similar to get the answer pretty easily

[marsh spear]

am i supposed to get the ||kharaa treatment|| blueprint after making the enzyme stuff or is there more i need to do while on 0 breathing time

[marsh spear]

i

i just exited my moonpool to the left instead of the right... went through my bloodvine garden and my seamoth instantly exploded???

i don't think that's intentional

[modest shoal]

well, that's what happens if you don't go the right way, duh

[marsh spear]

"small amounts of damage"

shouldn't've named my seamoth "psyche" smh

(I did not do that)

[modest shoal]

I'm getting the radial tabs warning too, dispite having it

[wispy kelp]

try getting to it though

lmao

you have to set up an ore consumer to get credits and several other things

which requires plasteel and such

[marsh spear]

subnautica why. idk if this is a vanilla thing or what but. gdi

[wispy kelp]

on top of all this with deathrun lithium cells are VERY expensive

[marsh spear]

(foxsub II got eaten by my bloodkelp garden)

[marsh spear]

i should mention it was at 100% health before leaving the moonpool

[modest shoal]

what's the distance between your moonpool exit and the kelp? maybe the hitbox is close enouh its hitting it while docked?

[marsh spear]

it's not, because it's 100% health when I leave to the right

pretty good distance lol

also, when you make the electrochemical suit it gives you a blueprint for the gloves which has... no ingredients

it also doesn't show up in the fabricator

[modest shoal]

maybe its a limitation of added recipes? that you can't get 2 separate items from them? unlike the other suits which are vanilla

[marsh spear]

ow fuck ... wait

having the electrochem suit and gloves on.. .doesn't protect you from the LR brine???

[modest shoal]

so i made some ||42 traces|| but it didn't give me any extra recipes, am I supposed to find some recipe elsewhere to try to mitigate the ||infection which makes liquid breathing awful||? I assumed that if I made it along with some ||nano wrap bandages|| it would give me a new recipe to combine the two or something

[marsh spear]

same, idk

[runic swan]

Is there a way to disable the requirements for vehicles to be docked in order to access their upgrades?

I have a modded vehicle which cannot be docked

[marsh spear]

yeah there's a command for that iirc

[runic swan]

what is the command

[marsh spear]

c2cSMMAnyW true

should do it

[runic swan]

Okay! I'll try that.

oh cool it worked

thanks!

I'm using the funky odyssey sub cause it looks like the oceangate one

[marsh spear]

ok another bug, when you put deepvine samples in a planter box they disappear and when you put ameboid samples into it they turn into a fertile creepvine plant

[modest shoal]

Deepvine probably isn't supposed to be put in a planter, their 1x1 size would make them ridiculously cramped

[marsh spear]

well you can put (2x1) creepvine samples in just fine i think

and they turn into 2x2 plants

[modest shoal]

hmm, are they "deep" enough? maybe they die if you don't plant them in a box at enough depth?

[marsh spear]

no clue

[unreal flame]

hm, farmed bloodvine shouldn't attack the player or any subs...

I do know that hitting creepvine seeds with the seamoth can damage it even if farmed

[unreal flame]

deepvine is weirdly finicky. keep trying for now

[unreal flame]

it's a 2x2 plant as considered by the planter itself

there's just a bit of weirdness with how that disparity displays in the inv ui

[modest shoal]

Anyone else getting large performance decreases if you harvest a lot of ||plankton||? Going from like 60+ fps to 4 fps if i get like half a scoop full, if i leave and come back the performance issue resolves

getting this error

[coral dagger]

i have had no issues growing deepvine in the big exterior growbeds at about 100m depth

[wispy kelp]

yo!!!

[marsh spear]

good now find the other ||3 databoxes|| you need to actually use the thing lol

[slender stone]

I had the same thing and in exactly the same biome. I don't think it depends on the plants.

[trail ether]

you do not get it that way

[marsh spear]

shit

ok

cool

[trail ether]

you get the gloves alongside

[trail ether]

why would it make you completely immune

it does protect you

but not entirely

[marsh spear]

yeah, but the nonexistent recipe being in the blueprint section is sorta odd

[trail ether]

see what I just said to katrina

[marsh spear]

ah

[marsh spear]

💀 of course, silly me

[trail ether]

they CAN be farmed

the deepvine that is

[trail ether]

^

[marsh spear]

i see, i had no way to tell if that was intended or a bug

it just vanished

[modest shoal]

honestly, with how little space they take up, planting/farming them seems like a waste of time, a full inventory and 2 seamoth storage modules is probably enough for a whole playthrough

[trail ether]

it only does that if you farm it right below the surface

because it would stick up out of the water

which looks stupid

[marsh spear]

ah lol. my base is like 80m down

primary one, anyway

[trail ether]

that is plenty deep

when I say right below I mean like 5m

the last person to report disappearing creepvine had their growbed on top of the room they built in a base in less than 10m of water

[trail ether]

whicih ONLY modded plants do

vanilla ones adjust just fine

even when the item is one size but the "slot size" in the growbed is different

[modest shoal]

You get ||16 gels per 3 samples|| so that'll probably get you like 500

[trail ether]

most bioproc recipes are bootstrappable

but lots of people do not do that

and spend their first lysing enzymes/microbiotic gel on the recipe they actually want rather than using it to make more of those input items quickly

this is deliberate - it rewards you for foresight and punishes impatience

[trail ether]

....there are no destroyimmedate calls in this code path...

[trail ether]

fixed

[modest shoal]

Well, its a net gain even if you spend your first 2 enzymes on it, I think there's what ||4 plankton on the opposite side of the aurora, so that's what, 16? spending 2 only drops you to 14, and you get double outputs from there||

[modest shoal]

dunno, its the error I was getting when I was scooping up ||plankton|| in the crags, and like i said, awful FPS until I went like 300-400 meters away then back

Do you not have that code somewhere to ||destroy the plankton when you harvest it?||

[trail ether]

yes, and it uses Destroy and not DestroyImmediate

        private void checkAndTryScoop(SeaMoth sm, float dT) {
            if (sm.GetComponent<Rigidbody>().velocity.magnitude >= 4 && Vector3.Distance(sm.transform.position, transform.position) <= 5 && InventoryUtil.vehicleHasUpgrade(sm, EcoceanMod.planktonScoop.TechType)) {
                lastScoopTime = DayNightCycle.main.timePassedAsFloat;
                if (UnityEngine.Random.Range(0F, 1F) < 0.075F*dT*EcoceanMod.config.getFloat(ECConfig.ConfigEntries.PLANKTONRATE)) {
                    foreach (SeamothStorageContainer sc in sm.GetComponentsInChildren<SeamothStorageContainer>(true)) {
                        TechTag tt = sc.GetComponent<TechTag>();
                        if (tt && tt.type == EcoceanMod.planktonScoop.TechType) {
                            GameObject go = ObjectUtil.createWorldObject(EcoceanMod.planktonItem.TechType, true, false);
                            sc.container.AddItem(go.GetComponentInChildren<Pickupable>());
                            if (sc.container.IsFull())
                                SNUtil.writeToChat("Plankton scoop is full");
                            break;
                        }
                    }
                }
                if (health.health < health.maxHealth*0.1F) {
                    isDead = true;
                    particles.Stop(true, ParticleSystemStopBehavior.StopEmitting);
                    UnityEngine.Object.Destroy(gameObject, 10);
                }
                else {
                    health.TakeDamage(health.maxHealth*0.05F*dT, sm.transform.position, DamageType.Drill, sm.gameObject);
                }
                if (onPlanktonScoopEvent != null)
                    onPlanktonScoopEvent.Invoke(this, sm);
            }
        }```

[modest shoal]

how many items should you get from 1 cloud?

[trail ether]

a few

[modest shoal]

I think there were only like 4-5 and I got a full hopper and then some

[trail ether]

it is random but you get 1-4 per cloud

[modest shoal]

mm, so they definitely weren't getting destroyed somehow

[wispy kelp]

heeyyy

@trail ether

do you use a developer menu?

i opened my save lately and i think i updated yesterday but like

i just noticed a developer menu pop up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/800388008741175347/1162982903337201744/image.png?ex=653deb3b&is=652b763b&hm=fd23cdb473eb18b821d175ebfdaa3a164883ca8835d2ccdf46b76211fb06f9c1&

i...never turned this on or know how it got turned on??

[trail ether]

I have no idea what that is

[wispy kelp]

i have NO idea how it got put in.

i did NOT install that.

and the only thing ive installed lately is updates to your mod

[marsh spear]

that's... that's a console feature

how'd you get that on the pc version

it's vanilla but is usually disabled on pc lol

[wispy kelp]

i-

i dont know!!!

i am genuinely dumbfounded???

i never like

installed this

[bitter kraken]

Iirc either sml or qmod automatically adds this button
It is a vanilla button, yes. But one of those mods just adds them

You can configure that in the mod settings, i think

[wispy kelp]

oh shit. free plasteel

[marsh spear]

spend it wisely

[unreal flame]

why is the screenshot blurry

[bitter kraken]

Depth of field moment

[runic swan]

How am I supposed to get the prawn suit? It seems to require iridium, which I can only get by going to the inactive lava zone, which I need the prawn suit to get to

[unreal flame]

you do not need the prawn to enter the ILZ in sea to sea

[faint jetty]

ILZ ???

[runic swan]

how do I go about entering the ilz

without the prawn

[unreal flame]

with a different vehicle?

[runic swan]

seamoth doesn't have the depth -.-

[unreal flame]

you sure

[runic swan]

inactive lava zone starts at like 900m and seamoth max is 900

does the mod add a mk4?

like it's always been that the seamoth can't go past lost river

that's its deepest biome

[unreal flame]

you'll have to find out, I suppose

[marsh spear]

is there a way to get ||nanocarbon|| without ||the falling meteor thing||

[marsh spear]

i'm not seeing one... and without the scanner room upgrade (which requires ||nanocarbon|| to make in the first place) i have no idea how to find the damn things

[unreal flame]

i did warn her about this, but yeah you have to go get at least one without the scanner

[marsh spear]

lovely

[marsh spear]

it's. it's on the website. not even spoiler tagged

do people not read the website before downloading the mod

[unreal flame]

do you want an answer

[marsh spear]

no i already know

but why

you have to scroll to the bottom to even get to the download button so like

and i'm pretty sure that depth module has been there since I played last time, so it's not like it's a new addition

[marsh spear]

eh whatever. what's the easiest way to locate them then

just like, chill on the surface and wait and hope?

[runic swan]

No. I went in blind

Completely

also it wouldn't have mattered anyway cause ||you can't exit the seamoth at more than 500m without the liquid breathing||

thankfully it only took me like four large wrecks to find the bp

[neon rock]

guys do someone else keeps getting lag spikes after getting to a modded biome

even if i get away from it

like once im on it i just get lag spikes 4ever

[trail ether]

what?

[faint jetty]

yea you die

because you don't have liquid breathing and the new creature the stalker have a egg to it was cool

[runic swan]

I wanted to take the seamoth to the inactive lava zone for resources, but I didn't realize that you would have neede liquid breathing

also how do I remove the bugged sunbeam arrive timer?

it just says 0:-24:-28

[trail ether]

not instantly

[trail ether]

is it a sunbeam timer or an auroresource one

[runic swan]

the debris landing

[trail ether]

did a falling resource fail to spawn

[runic swan]

How would I be able to check?

[trail ether]

open the runtime editor

and search for a FallingMaterialSpawnerTag

what is its timeLeft

@marsh spear just tested the sunbeam debris again and it works fine

[runic swan]

??

where would that be?

Sorry I'm like entirely clueless and have no idea what that is

is it like another mod?

[trail ether]

yes

[runic swan]

oh that makes sense

is there like a link to it?

[raven mirage]

how do you open the captains quarters for the neptune blueprints?
i cant find it in search here

[runic swan]

I think I found it. but it says falling material countdown

what do i do now?

[raven mirage]

cos rn im stuck in progression

all i need to finish is the rocket, but idk how to get through the door

[trail ether]

check the time remaining field like i said

[trail ether]

read the pda

[runic swan]

I don't think that's a thing

There is no time remaining

[trail ether]

yes there is

[raven mirage]

all it says is that another approach is needed?
ive read it through but cant think of anything

cutter and welder do nothing, neither does prop cannon
no extra rooms it seems to go through

[runic swan]

I don't see a time remaining field

[trail ether]

open the tag like i told you to

[runic swan]

the inspect?

[raven mirage]

so not sure what to try rn

[trail ether]

click the FallingMaterialSpawnerTag

[trail ether]

so try something more forceful

[runic swan]

I dont see it 😭

[raven mirage]

ive tried launching stuff at the door, not sure the other things to try

[runic swan]

I don't see that either

I see system string tag

[modest shoal]

Did you notice that many tools work better if you put an azurite battery in them?

[raven mirage]

yeah, i have an azurite loaded into my cutter and prop cannon

[modest shoal]

Well, those aren't the only tools

[runic swan]

Like I'm sorry but I'm an idiot and have no idea what any of these things mean

like tell me which specific buttons to click

[raven mirage]

i have azurite in my welder, cutter and prop cannon
ion battery in my seaglide and normal battery in flashlight and scanner

[runic swan]

from the menu in the image I sent

[modest shoal]

You're forgetting a tool, it's even a vanilla one

[raven mirage]

i really thought stasis wouldnt be useful here

[modest shoal]

Not that one either

[raven mirage]

oh, it's repulsion isnt it

[modest shoal]

Mayybeee

[raven mirage]

i forgot about it cos i never use it or prop in vanilla...

[runic swan]

Like the countdown thing is really annoying and idk if it worked properly

[modest shoal]

Part of why it's used here, c2c is about making sure more things actually have uses

[raven mirage]

which is good

prop is used in 2-ish wrecks in vanilla iirc

just to move collapsed doors for optional boxes

and repulsion just... isnt used...

wow, yep that worked

somehow the only time ive been stuck
C2C has been great

[trail ether]

search FallingMaterialSpawnerTag

not just "falling"

[runic swan]

I did and nothing came up

The results were empty

There is no fallingmaterialspawnertag

it's just bugged

[trail ether]

in that case uncheck "active" on the countdown object

[runic swan]

and then just do the same for sunbeam yeah

so if there isn't a spawner tag does that mean the resources were spawned?

[trail ether]

do not touch the sunbeam

[trail ether]

probably

[raven mirage]

Launch Rocket
Checklist of creatures

Time for 4546B World Tour~

[runic swan]

sunbeam was also negative 25 minutes??

so the timer would have never went away

it was just underneath of the debris one

same bug for both timers

sunbeam debris is spawning so it should be fine

[modest shoal]

Something that could use a tweak, maybe its just me but, the description makes it sound like it only works with ||a breathing medium, which I wouldn't consider air, the waste gas thing only partially suggests it, and I didn't realize it would help you from 400-500 with an oxygen tank||

[runic swan]

I am now 20 hours into a playthrough and I have entered the lost river for the first time

(kill me)

[modest shoal]

that's pretty speedy

[coral dagger]

i agree i didn't realise it worked as a better rebreather until after i crafted it

[modest shoal]

I didn't even try crafting it until I had enough for the tank too

[coral dagger]

mind you i spent hours and hours sucicide diving for blueprints between 400-500 m because they were all deeper than normal rebreather could go but i couldn't make the full liquid breathing system

same

[trail ether]

do you know what "an X medium" means?

[coral dagger]

the description is technically correct reika

but clearly easy to misinterpret

[modest shoal]

I would imagine most people wouldn't consider air a "breathing medium"

[coral dagger]

the way it's phrased to me implies a [special] breathing medium

non obvious that it works with air, and it's so expensive that i didn't craft until i had enough for the tank as well

same as vath

[modest shoal]

It could say something like: ||Air or other breathing mediums||

[trail ether]

    <RebreatherV2>
        <name>
            Recirculation Mask
        </name>
        <desc>
            A motorized face mask equipped with the ability to actively pump a breathing medium - liquid or gas - from storage and either recirculate it back to the tank or force waste gas out against very high pressures.
        </desc>
        <pda>
            At depths where the rebreather can no longer suffice, causing oxygen consumption to increase to ever more unmanageable levels, the recirculation mask becomes a highly valuable piece of survival equipment. Motorized gas delivery and exhaust mechanisms overcome these pressures and eliminate most of the wasted source gas, greatly extending the maximum practical duration of a dive.
            
            A requirement for liquid breathing hardware to function.
        </pda>
    </RebreatherV2>```

[modest shoal]

that works

[upper dock]

I think it might be a good idea to make the ||door code for the neptune rocket bypass|| also work with a ||azurite-boosted propulsion cannon|| if that's possible

[modest shoal]

I think its not supposed to on purpose, like was said above, ||the repulsion cannon|| is essentially unused without this use

[trail ether]

^

[trail ether]

is this you https://i.imgur.com/eGOmYSO.png

[runic swan]

I have never reported a bug online, so I would say no.

Also the sunbeam did show up for me, I just wasn't there to witness it and got the pda message version instead

Also also I use TheTenthBot or some variation of it for every account that I have online

Why do you ask?

[trail ether]

because it sounds similar to your issue

[marsh spear]

uhh is the ||acoustic suppression module|| not supposed to ||prevent ghost leviathans from spawning||

because uhhh

[modest shoal]

They’ll still come if your lights are on or you get out

[marsh spear]

i don't think my lights were on, but maybe that was it

[modest shoal]

There's also some wandering around out there and if you get close they'll bump you once, they won't keep following you though, at least that's what happened when I ||went to the 500m area the crash site behind the aurora leads you to||

[marsh spear]

well it did keep following me

soo uh idk

I had to take sort of a roundabout route there to avoid the reaper behind the aurora

nearly destroyed my seamoth but I didn't save so I just exited the game

[wispy kelp]

ok so

||i searched through the mountain biom and like. where the hell IS the sunbeam wreck here?||

[modest shoal]

I'm getting abysmal performance at the ||void spikes biome, went to the waypoint and when I got like 400 meters down, it went from like 70 fps to 12 fps||, anyone else?

[marsh spear]

apparently lag when entering biomes is normal for legacy Subnautica, if it persists that's an issue

[modest shoal]

it persisted, got worse, was dropping to single digit fps, basically unplayable

[unreal flame]

this issue has been reported, but it's elusive enough that tracking down the cause has been difficult

[marsh spear]

I wonder if I can do the same trick I did with lifepod 15 lol

I'll test tomorrow and report back if it works because that'd be an actual exploit

[wispy kelp]

YIPEE

[trail ether]

I already told you there is no sunbeam wreck

[trail ether]

||acoustic||

||it does not make you a ghost with no physical presence, ability to be seen, or effects on the environment||

[modest shoal]

How come leviathan get to be ghost but not me?

[marsh spear]

smh the lens says it can affect "several kinds of waves" so why not light

anyways I just figured it was a way to take away the ghost leviathan threat in exchange for the ||new leviathan system that's down in the void spikes anyway||

[last fossil]

Download where?

[barren oar]

https://reikakalseki.github.io/subnautica/mods/seatosea.html

[last fossil]

Thank

[trail ether]

...so you assumed it made you invisible?

[trail ether]

and spoiler this

[marsh spear]

no, I assumed ghost leviathans wouldn't spawn

[trail ether]

and they do not, under the usual conditions

[marsh spear]

?

[last fossil]

When I launch the game is the mod gonna explain itself and what to do first

[trail ether]

....do you know what kind of mod C2C is

and for that matter did you ignore the webpage you were linked

also @muted cosmos did I tell you what inspired the design of nozzlevine

including the name

and for that matter a picture of which was made into the item sprite it uses

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12783

[last fossil]

I found the download, put it in game, launched game, said could not be loaded, and I’m on my way to get help

[trail ether]

well you probably did not follow the directions

that is almost always the case

[trail ether]

also speaking of plants you might find it funny/trivia-worthy that pyropods were added specifically to make looking for avolite visually harder

since now there are tons of glowing red things

[muted cosmos]

Evil

[last fossil]

its not my fault the link doesnt tell me the other mods he made that its dependent on

[trail ether]

yes, it does

in fact there is a whole section about it

[last fossil]

this is all it says

Several of the supporting content and mechanics from C2C have been split into other mods, and as such C2C depends on the rest of my SN mods to function (the reverse is not true, ie they do not require C2C). As such, you will need to install all of them if you want to play with C2C.

and i have the 2 things below it

[trail ether]

and apparently not the other mods of mine

that you just pasted the text saying it needs

[last fossil]

where are the downloads

[trail ether]

on their respective pages

[last fossil]

there isnt links that i can find

[trail ether]

scroll up

[last fossil]

ok im at the top

[trail ether]

what do you see

[last fossil]

quick nav section, and the top of general info

also will this mods story work in creative cuz i wanna just take a look at it first before playing it survival

[trail ether]

above that

[trail ether]

no

[last fossil]

can i use cheats like no oxygen, no hunger, no thirst though

[trail ether]

also another missing feature @muted cosmos - seamoth boost will break bloodvine grip

[last fossil]

i hear vine and grip and i imeditly thing of this image

autocorrect doesnt want to work today evidently

[trail ether]

speaking of which you apparently never found this DB because it is not listed on the wiki page for the place it is found 😛

[last fossil]

will the mods story still work with cheats active

wait please dont tell me red baron is the mod that lets me fly my seamoth and cylops

[trail ether]

it is

[last fossil]

FUCK

[trail ether]

and specifically because it gives that ability, it cannot be used with C2C

[last fossil]

its fun tho

[trail ether]

do not care

C2C progression integrity is priority

also also @muted cosmos new thing for the wiki as it is a recently-added feature: rock crusher is now dangerous

go ahead and try for yourself 😛

[faint jetty]

the fly mod for cyclops and seamoth is not good you know why they have to fly they are sub they have to be under water

[last fossil]

the seamoth is a sea and SPACE vehicle

[trail ether]

also its page still says it needs no power

[last fossil]

i remember item desciptions

[faint jetty]

i know but they use it for water

[trail ether]

space is not the same as flying in air

[faint jetty]

yea

[trail ether]

one you need lift to counteract gravity, and drag is considerable

the other newtonian physics apply

[faint jetty]

and why cyclops dud why ?

this big sub have to fly

[last fossil]

because the prawn suit can jump already

[faint jetty]

that is a suit

and have legs and hand

[last fossil]

yes and 2/3 vehicles then have the ability to go on land

make it 3/3

neptune dont count cuz its immobile

[faint jetty]

i don't care who make this mod

he was crazy

[last fossil]

best person ever

[faint jetty]

yea go and talk with him why ever you make this mod

that is a cheat dud that you fly with seamoth you can travel faster like cheat fly

[last fossil]

Hey the fly command doesn’t work in subnautica, only in BZ

What else you wanna do

[faint jetty]

what ever

[last fossil]

Ima go break this mod

[faint jetty]

what mod

[last fossil]

This mod

[faint jetty]

C2C

[last fossil]

Ye

[faint jetty]

you can't

[last fossil]

I will

[faint jetty]

you can't

how you want to ?

[last fossil]

I will

[faint jetty]

break the mod

[last fossil]

I’ve broken what’s said to be unbreakable

I’ll do it again

Oh shit I gotta go get my ufo in gta first

[faint jetty]

oh god

[last fossil]

Bye

[faint jetty]

bye

[last fossil]

If it says it might break the progress it doesn’t matter right

[faint jetty]

yea it matters

[last fossil]

do i have to remove them

or is the dev just restricting freedom

I’ve never seen such a strict mod

I’m starting to think about giving up on this

[modest shoal]

It didnt use power when I used it yesterday, just placed it on the ground and it worked

I'm still not sure the use case you're pushing for trying to make it use a power grid, it's already cumbersome to carry around the 11 inventory slots to construct it, requiring even more makes it nearly unmanageable

[last fossil]

How do i start the story of the mod

[trail ether]

C2C is not a wholesale overhaul

it does not replace the game

it expands upon it, weaving itself into holes in the base game

its story is not a thing you actively start, much less early in the game

[trail ether]

every thing you break I will make more resistant to doing so

[last fossil]

So how do I get to the point that started in anthomnia video on the mod

[trail ether]

anthomnia's videos are not accurate portrayals of C2C

he added a thousand other mods and wholly fabricated entire sets of content like the entire story shown in his videos

C2C expands vanilla, in the style of vanilla

it adds new content yes

but it does not markedly depart from how vanilla works on a conceptual level, nor does it include heavy narrative

C2C's "story" is more Aurora survivors

not a complete narrative

for example think of what happened to Keen in vanilla

C2C has analogous situations with - for example - the survivors in pods 1 and 14

[last fossil]

is keen the lifepod 19 guy

[trail ether]

yes

and I am referring to specifically his narrative arc

[last fossil]

Is lifepod 10 where I start

[trail ether]

coming down in pod 19, then making it to the floating island where he met Yu, then dying to a reaper on the way to the aurora

[last fossil]

Yu is lost river enterance lady right

[trail ether]

you could make a sankey diagram of the C2C survivors just as you could with vanilla ones

[trail ether]

pod 2

north blood kelp

alongside berkeley who appears not to make it out alive

[trail ether]

you start in pod 5

[last fossil]

Ok ye I call that lost river pod because it’s the only way I know a guaranteed entrance to Lost river

[trail ether]

how do you not know this

[last fossil]

Lifepod 10 radio signal

Not lifepod I start in

[trail ether]

the pod 10 radio signal comes fairly late in progression

well after a great deal of both vanilla and C2C content

~60% through as a rough estimate

[last fossil]

I just launched creative, and before even doing anything the radio had a call from them

[trail ether]

that is to be expected

I told you it does not work in creative

[last fossil]

So because I’m a pussy and refuse to do survival, that is where I start for c2c

?

Or should I go in survival with cheats instead

[trail ether]

C2C does not work out of survival/freedom

[last fossil]

Does it work with cheats active

[trail ether]

no

[last fossil]

Can I use nocost to make stuff at the start and still play the mod

If I just go in survival, make gear with no cost, and progress in the story, will stuff from c2c appear during that

[upper dock]

I mean it will but the mod's progression will be so broken you might as well not use it

you're essentially asking if you can play the mod without playing it

[last fossil]

Idc about progression I wanna explore the void

That’s why I’m upset that I can’t use red baron flying sea moth as a escape rocket if I’m running from something because I’m a pussy

[trail ether]

C2C is not a shits and giggles mod

you want that, install socknautica

everything in C2C exists to serve its design goal with respect to game progression

even the new content like the biomes and flora

[last fossil]

Well you should make a creative version that is for exploration

What are the cords for the place that lifepod 15 logs said the pods scanner found

[trail ether]

no

[trail ether]

find it out the proper way

[neon rock]

reika how do i bypass the extreme temperature text

what do i need

please

[marsh spear]

gasp, the youtuber known for clickbaity bs did clickbaity bs

[last fossil]

ency all

is the proper way for me

And when the cyclops refuses to fucking descend it doesn’t help my exploration

[trail ether]

???

bypass...text?

[neon rock]

i mean

how can i go through it

like make fire not burn me

cause radiation suit is not enough

[last fossil]

Which way is south my compass won’t stop spinning

I’m standing still

[trail ether]

why would it be - why would a radiation suit make you immune to temperature

[trail ether]

read the mods' pages

but that feature exists to make you actually navigate

learn the world and its landmarks

rather than just point your face in a direction and hold W

[trail ether]

and hell even in vanilla there is a suit that helps with this, whose existence apparently is eluding you

[last fossil]

Good thing the fandom has coordinates

Now I can leave this horrible channel and escape this asshole developer!

[silent marsh]

If you don't like the shit people make for free for their own enjoyment, you're more than welcome to go learn to make your own shit

It's free content for crying out loud

Entitled kids smh my head

[modest shoal]

The customer is always right you guys.

[neon rock]

thats what the pda says

lmao

[modest shoal]

I really doubt that

[neon rock]

why

[modest shoal]

That the radiation suit says it's meant for high temperatures?

It's meant to stop radiation

[neon rock]

ill send a ss

i forgot what it said

mb if im wrong

but it kinda says something like is not enough

[modest shoal]

Uh huh

[silent marsh]

You're not a customer

[marsh spear]

I think people don't realize how much work this stuff takes

[marsh spear]

and I think that was sarcasm

[modest shoal]

@trail ether I'd like to speak to a manager!

[neon rock]

wym

[silent marsh]

Poe's Law smh

[marsh spear]

mod development is extremely hard especially because of the sheer breadth. you need to program, design, usually make sprites and/or 3d models, balance, bugfix, etc

[silent marsh]

When parody is indistinguishable from sincerity 🙂

[neon rock]

i understand that

[marsh spear]

and adding to all that you're working with a changing codebase and one as buggy as Subnautica

so people saying stuff like "just make a creative mode version" is a little 💀

[neon rock]

but why do you say it so sudden

[marsh spear]

calling reika an "asshole developer" is especially funny because she's actually been way more patient than most mod devs I know

[silent marsh]

It's not just the amount of work, it's also that generally speaking we make these things for our own reasons lol. And we only have so much time in the day for hobby stuff like this. So if someone comes around demanding that it should be different than how it is intended to be and then acts like the dev is an asshole for saying no, they're just being an entitled idiot 🙂

[marsh spear]

yeah that too

if you want to make a creative mode patch go ahead I guess but like. I doubt they'll do that

in fact disabling mod features like the compass spin is like the easiest thing to patch

[silent marsh]

Indeed, it's not intended to be that way so why would they spend time on that for one person asking for it when there's still work to be done elsewhere for the actual purpose of the mod

[marsh spear]

no I meant the person complaining

[silent marsh]

No I know

[marsh spear]

with harmony just prefix the method and disable it if you care that muc

[silent marsh]

🙂

Not disagreeing with you

[marsh spear]

ah ok

I'm autistic so I feel the need to explicitly clarify everything in case I'm misunderstood

[silent marsh]

Dw you're good

I also doubt parker will do it lol

[neon rock]

found it

[marsh spear]

oh I see how that could be misunderstood

[modest shoal]

It literally says "the radiation suit isn't enough" basically the opposite of what you said

[silent marsh]

That's literally it saying the radiation suit can't handle that environment

[marsh spear]

it could be misread as you don't have the radiation suit equipped which you need for this environment

[modest shoal]

Ohh, I guess if your esl, it could be construed as "you need the radiation suit to be here"

[silent marsh]

Yeah

But it means the radiation suit isn't good enough for this

🙂

[neon rock]

but how do i go through tho

idk what suit do i need

[modest shoal]

Get a better suit

[neon rock]

reinforced dive suit?

[modest shoal]

Basically, you won't be back there for some time, it's not like vanilla where you clear out the whole aurora at the start

[silent marsh]

I mean that one does say it's for enhanced survival in extreme temperatures

Why don't you try it and find out? 🙂

[neon rock]

ok but i have a problem

is this the void spikes biome

??

cause i went there and it was nothing

[modest shoal]

Ye

[neon rock]

just void

[modest shoal]

Did you go deep enough?

[neon rock]

yes i was 500m deep and top left it said something about it could not load something

i dont remember the name

i have all the mods installed correctly

[modest shoal]

Yeah, I get that too, it still shows up

[neon rock]

not in my case

there was nothing

[marsh spear]

void spikes on its way to be completely stable and not buggy at all

[modest shoal]

It's actually a little deeper than that tbh, I think it's like 600?

[neon rock]

2nd thing is that i dont even see the phytoplantkon in the void

only void bubbles

[neon rock]

i literally went 700m deep

there was nothing

only ghost leviathans

[modest shoal]

Hmm, what's that optional mod reika reccomends

[neon rock]

i think ecocean

[marsh spear]

terrain patcher

[neon rock]

i have it

lol

[modest shoal]

That one, kk

Patcher

[neon rock]

yes

i do

have it

should i download another version

i have the legacy one

[marsh spear]

does your log say anything interesting

[neon rock]

this the version

[modest shoal]

The only thing I can think of is did you ever open the save without the mod so it removed it from the save?

[neon rock]

no

my save is 16 hours long but i started playing after everything was ok

[marsh spear]

there's almost certainly errors in the log thrn

[neon rock]

maybe its cause of this

i have this 2 mods and it says they can break the mod

[modest shoal]

Do you have 2 monitors?

[neon rock]

when i launch it

[neon rock]

no why

[marsh spear]

well that's probably an indicator lol

[modest shoal]

Cause you can keep bepinex up on another window and monitor errors realtime

[trail ether]

I would much rather you not play C2C at all than play it wrong

[trail ether]

"the radiation suit is not equipped for this environment"?

because that is it explicitly saying the radiation suit does NOT give heat protection

[neon rock]

alright

i got it

thanks for the help tho

i was not sure

i cant get abysoclasse

[trail ether]

and yet I have quite a reputation in many games' modding spheres because of people like parker

[trail ether]

you should see some of the people on my server talk about my MC mods

[marsh spear]

lmfao these people need to meet the real bad ones

[trail ether]

there have been multiple 2000+ message 8-hour-long arguments with 17 people over things like forcing players to explore or closing progression loopholes

[modest shoal]

Eh, "I'd rather you not play my mod then play it wrong" is a little more confrontational than normal, which would be "I'm not going to support people playing it other ways"

[marsh spear]

I think it's fairly clear that your mods are developed for a specific type of person and that causes friction when people who aren't that specific type of person want to play your mods and then blame you for it

[trail ether]

this is true

perhaps more a specific type of gameplay than person directly but yes

this goes for pretty much all mods I make in any game

and is a result of them all being designed to some core premise and gameplay goal

[marsh spear]

which is I think made fairly clear on the website by which I mean you directly say that

[trail ether]

be that C2C designed to make you play - and thus experience - more of SN, to NauvisDay for Factorio making you try something different than replacing the world with a field of concrete and not caring about pollution, to one of my Stellaris mods being specifically designed for "I want to be competitive with the bad guys withouyt actually being a bad guy", to one of my SE mods being specifically designed to avoid normal combat...

or any of the others

[marsh spear]

I still need to actually try factorio

[modest shoal]

Inb4 reika has the pda say "congratulations you are a fantastic player!" and triggers the ending cutscene if you load c2c with an unsupported mod

[marsh spear]

I have no idea how you have time and energy to maintain mods for this many games while also doing aerospace engineering or whatever like. how do you even

[marsh spear]

ok that's the kind of stuff that sparks major controversy tbf

[silent marsh]

The problem is I guess ppl don't read mod pages

[marsh spear]

in modding communities

[marsh spear]

The problem is ||I guess|| ppl don't read|| mod pages||

[trail ether]

I actually work in software rather than engineering directly, partly because there are not many opportunities for engineering without going to the US and partly because engineering is just worse to work in in terms of things like work/life balance and office culture

[trail ether]

you can drop those last two words and still be accurate

[marsh spear]

ah, interesting. that's the field I want to go into as well as soon as I wrangle the us college system lol

[modest shoal]

Eh, engineering is a mixed bag in terms of hours, some places it's a 40 hour work week, others it can be 60++

[silent marsh]

Yeah, it might help to add a prompt whenever the mod loads which goes over it again lol, but the most annoying ppl still won't read it

[marsh spear]

my dad worked in electrical engineering back in the day and it apparently destroyed his mental health

[trail ether]

my education is in aero eng but after a year of looking for work and finding about one opening for which I was qualified a week at best in a city of 8M, I pivoted to software which has 100x the opportunities

[silent marsh]

And takes development time away from actually making the thing

[marsh spear]

makes sense. is the software job market good in Canada then? may be worth looking into considering how America's going

[trail ether]

it is still difficult if you are a new grad with no experience since the "even entry level wants several years of experience" thing is as true here as the US

but overall yes it is a fairly fertile field

[marsh spear]

damn

[trail ether]

and it pays reasonably well, too, though not like in the US

you are not going to be paid $240k a year here

[marsh spear]

well, it's an option at least. probably less likely to outlaw my existence as soon as america

[modest shoal]

USA has tons of openings for Aerospace so long as you're fine working defense, Lockheed can't hire people fast enough

[trail ether]

I make ~120k a year before taxes and even that is in the upper end

[trail ether]

yes that is what I was seeing - almost all the opportunities were south of the border

[marsh spear]

That's about what I was told to expect for like mid-level stuff here

[trail ether]

also true

and one reason (of many) I steadfastly refuse to move to the US

[marsh spear]

I wouldn't be here if I had a choice

[trail ether]

I went to some job fairs in that first year of looking and there were no aero or aero-adjacent "stands" there

the closest was L3harris and they are an avionics and robotics company

[marsh spear]

actually it's kinda funny because on a clear day I could see (I was told, at least) Toronto from a beach walking distance from my childhood house

[modest shoal]

L3 does some good displays and nav iirc

[trail ether]

you can see buffalo from the CN tower on a clear day so I believe it

[marsh spear]

it would've been much easier to move to Canada back then because I could literally walk there. now of course it's harder because I'm not literally right next to a bridge

[marsh spear]

oh wow yeah that makes sense

I wonder how hard it is to emigrate because it can't possibly be as selective as the other countries I've been looking at right

[trail ether]

depends on what category you want to immigrate as

there are five

the easiest is if you have family - it is usually pretty easy to get approved if you are getting married or having a sibling/parent/etc

[marsh spear]

sadly none that side of the border

[modest shoal]

Cat 5e is obviously the best

[trail ether]

you would not qualify as a refugee (yet), which is the seco.nd category

[marsh spear]

the cable?

[marsh spear]

good to keep in mind for 2024 though

[trail ether]

the majority of people who immigrate do so as independent

which basically requires three things

one you need to be sociopolitically compatible, and the bar for this is pretty lenient

ie the test is ridiculously easy to pass

[marsh spear]

what are they testing for with that?

[trail ether]

two you need to score high enough on what basically amounts to a "how much value do you add to the country" test, which evaluates things like your education, language skill, etc

exactly how many points are required varies as governments come and go

but it is neither trivial nor super hard

and finally you need to pass a "canadian knowledge" test which basically just amounts to national trivia stuff

"what is the capital of canada"