Consolidate temporary game mode rewards into one shop.

[sterile wigeon]

Add one shop for all temoporary game modes so this doesn't put pressure on people to do game modes they don't enjoy for the cosmetics that they would like. I'm a big fan of leagues and grid master but not one for dmm, however i would like the Voidwaker and crystal skins for my iron. this is forcing me to do dmm where I'm not enjoying the game and actually making me get bored and dislike it. This might influence one to take a break or even fall out of love with the game.

[crystal bane]

I feel like this suggestion goes against the spirit of Ironman mode.

You're supposed to do content you may not even like and grind things specifically to say you earned it yourself. Now you're asking for a way to avoid content and still get the rewards. This is how mains work and mains can also avoid DMM while getting the rewards via the GE.

Even moreso, it's a cosmetic.

[sterile wigeon]

temporary game modes are meant to be enjoyed. this takes you from the main game to do something you dont enjoy for a cosmetic, this only effects irons as mains can buy them anyway

irons generally dont pk aswell so why force them to do a pking game mode to get cosmetics?

[crystal bane]

They are indeed meant to be enjoyed and people enjoy DMM.

Yes that's what I said, mains can buy them so there's already a bypass to get content from temporary game modes without playing.

Irons do PK because they dont get xp from attacking other players which helps maintain their low cmb lvls. Because that's what you signed up for, as an Ironman you are forced to do content you don't like to get stuff that you want. If you don't want to do content you don't like to get stuff you want you play on a main.

Same if as an iron you want a scythe but hate tob, want a tbow but hate cox, or want a shadow but hate toa. You do content you don't necessarily like to get the stuff you want from it. That's how playing ironman works.

[quartz lion]

Unfortunately I think this wouldn't make a lot of sense and would severely hamper the value of the DMM cosmetics, which is a significant gp source for people good at/enjoying DMM

[sterile wigeon]

thats totally different, you get rewarded with upgraded items in game. im more then happy to sit at cg and grind out for the items there. this however is taking someone who doesnt do this content and forcing them to do it.

irons dont pk due to not being able to get the loot????????? so we take accounts that dont pk in general and making them do this at a great disadvantage

[quartz lion]

If Leagues points worked for DMM cosmetics, then everything would be basically alch price from the DMM shop

[sterile wigeon]

it would if you allowed all rewards to be available from all shops for the individual prices. this allows those to grind out leagues/grid master or DMM at their own choice and leisure

[crystal bane]

Again, you aren't forced to do it. Logically you're more "forced" to do it for mandatory upgrades than cosmetics. If you want another example you can say HMT for scythe cosmetics, CMs for ancestral cosmetics, and 500+ invos for ToA cosmetics.

Irons do pk they can get loot keys then pk the iron on the main to transfer loot.

[sterile wigeon]

there are many i have spoken to that are only doing dmm because the cosmectics are locked behind it and there is no other option. each and everyone that is an iron feels its a waste of time and arent enjoying it.

the main issue with putting them all into 1 shop or all accessable through other means is jagex will realise most of the player base dont enjoy DMM but feel they have no choice but to do it for the items they want

this dmm is the most popular because its closer to leagues and the general player base feel its more achievable to get the cosmetics. where as leagues is always more popular and more engaging

[crystal bane]

I am also one of those people. I enjoyed DMM for a little bit but kinda bored of it now. Still sticking around to get 12k points for the cosmetic scroll.

I don't think you're being very sincere with that statement. People enjoy different content and I'm not going to penalize pkers that enjoy DMM and want a bit of profit from the cosmetics. This is how everything works in OSRS. I don't like PNM so someone else does it so I can buy the inquisitor's set off em.

You're saying the DMM is more achievable to get cosmetics this time around but you still want another way to get em?

[quartz lion]

Leagues is far easier to get points in at a much faster rate and has way higher scaling
You can get 30k points with very little effort in Leagues which would buy every single DMM cosmetic for much less time invested

[sterile wigeon]

then put the items in the other shops and allow them to be bought with leagues point but at a much greater price

[sterile wigeon]

im saying more the fact im going to have to play a game mode i dont enjoy for a week or two for a cosmetic where i would rather be playing the main game or put the same amount of time and effort into leagues where i enjoy it to get these items. im not saying make them easier to get through the other game modes but make them accessible at elivated points through them shops.

im all for people enjoying pking and have nothing against that, they should have their game modes they enjoy. this isnt about who enjoys what its about playing the game you enjoy and everyone having access to these items through their own means.

if it was more then a cosmetic i might understand but this is just a look of an item and not a mega rare from a raid. therefor why should you grind out a week of content you dont enjoy for it

[crystal bane]

To answer your statements:

Why am I forced to play a game mode I don't enjoy?

• You are not forced to play Deadman mode

Everyone should have access to these items through their own means

• No, everyone should have access to items through the content that provides the items

Why should I grind out a week of content I don't enjoy for a cosmetic?

• Because you chose to play Ironman Mode where you are forced to grind out content to earn the rewards yourself.

Most of the player base dont enjoy DMM but feel they have no choice

• Most of the player base are mains and can buy the cosmetic off the GE

I wouldn't be opposed to reducing the cost or rebalancing point gain though. I think the cost is kinda balanced around engaging in breaches but they're a bit scuffed this season with only top 16 damage getting points from it. It would be nice if everyone got points from it so everyone gets rewarded for participating even if they get pk'd or can't nab anything.

[sterile wigeon]

Answer this one question: Why are you so against this? All I ask is it’s considered and maybe polled, then it’s voted on by the community and it majority want it then great if not then I’ll go back to grinding it out or just miss out on the cosmetics.

[cyan timber]

exclusivity on cosmetics is kinda the point

[sterile wigeon]

I’ve played a reasonable amount for the last two days to achieve 12k points so far. This isn’t practical for a lot of people and they might be lucky to get the same amount of hours to play in the entire period.
The option of making all cosmetics available would also allow there to be multiple points throughout the year for those who can only play specific times.

[sterile wigeon]

Not really or they wouldn’t be tradable………

[cyan timber]

i mean then it boils down to being an ironman who cant trade like pingu said

the exclusivity is what gives them value, tradeable or not

[sterile wigeon]

This is a bs remark as they don’t really hold value so therefore to many come into the game.

At the end of the day there are many people that feel this way and many that don’t. The only way to get an accurate answer is to ask the community as a whole then go with the majority. Exactly the way osrs is meant to be decided.

[cyan timber]

i mean u dont even have to pk to get the rewards

[sterile wigeon]

This is true but you still get pkers after you so you have to defend yourself.

[cyan timber]

its a very casual mode its safer than the wilderness in alot of ways since u can just open bank and get infinite food

u just need to entangle pkers then teleport away after standing under them or behind a wall/tree

[sterile wigeon]

I know how the game mode works…. This isn’t the topic we were discussing

[quartz lion]

The DMM cosmetics hold astounding value, this scroll is only 12k and top end dmmers are over triple that

For people good at DMM, this is extremely lucrative and taking that away for people who don't like the game mode but want the rewards seems counterintuitive

[sterile wigeon]

That price will crash after this dmm

I’m not asking for them to be made easier to get, make them stupid expensive from leagues shops I don’t care. It’s making it available to everyone through content they enjoy. You can make them 50k leagues points if you like and 12k dmm so dmm is easier to get it

[quartz lion]

Sorry man it would still drastically lower the cost of them for DMM points when 20x more people are playing leagues
You're an ironman so grinding out something you don't like for a purely cosmetic activity just kinda seems like something you signed up for

[sterile wigeon]

There’s more points availabe in dmm then leagues so this is not the case and the fact 1 scroll from dmm allows for 5 weapon skins whereas one from leagues is only usable for one item.

I didn’t put this up to get the usual replies “your Ironman it was your choice” I put this up to hopefully get the questioned asked “is this what the majority of the community would like?”

So to summarise: consider the option and ask the community what they would like.

[viscid jolt]

my personal reason for being against this is that "i dont like this content and i want another way to get the rewards" is not a compelling argument, especially when the rewards are 100% cosmetic

do u think i want to do bounty hunter for the dclaw kit, or a ton of gotr for the rc pet transmog? hell no, but i still do the content or i laugh and walk away like "no way im doing all that just for a cosmetic"

and dont even get me started on non-cosmetic rewards... havent done any barbarian assault on my current account because i dont like that minigame, welp, i cant do the master clue torso step so i end up dropping my master clues every now and then, but guess what? thats okay, i simply dont do the content, and im not entitled to getting torso from somewhere else - this also applies to quest rewards and any other piece of content i dont like doing, why is pvp always expected to be some kind of exception?

at the risk of sounding like an ass, it seems like an entitled mindset issue when u see a reward, dont want to do the content and then argue for the option to get the reward some other way, and even argue that u are forced to do it as if its some game changing upgrade... the (cosmetic) rewards are there, either u do the content or u dont, idk how this is a foreign concept in 2026

[wheat glen]

if you don't do the relevant temp recurring game mode - you should not be able to purchase cosmetics from that temp game mode

[ruby geyser]

DMM isn't even that "scary". I've barely been PK'd and I have been mostly running around like a headless chicken. If that is your concern. You can easily get away with so many points that are in or adjacent to safe zones too.

And the fact you are only risking everything on you like it was getting PK'd while skulled in the Wilderness this time around makes it far less punishing than all the past interations with bank keys.

[formal wagon]

I think it’s silly to add an almost-entirely PVM armor cosmetic to the pvp game mode, and DMM has the wildy problem of designing towards trying to make PVMers show up to die, but the playerbase literally voted for it

[sterile wigeon]

We all do content we don’t enjoy for specific things within the main game but this isn’t the main game. These game modes are meant to be enjoyed so why not just allow people to participate in what they want and make all rewards accessible across all. This also puts pressure on people to play many hours within a short space of time otherwise they miss out. The main game has an unlimited amount of time to gain any gear/cosmetics one might want.

[ruby geyser]

If you want everything, then sure. Otherwise, you can easily skirt by doing bare minimum during the timeframe.

[sterile wigeon]

So you want people to miss out that don’t have the time to play? This makes it seem like they don’t care about those who can’t play 10 hours per day every day

[sterile wigeon]

And why shouldn’t everyone have access to everything? Everyone does in the main game because there’s no time restraint

I believe the real reason they won’t put all the rewards in one shop or available by all temp game modes is DMM will die off

[ruby geyser]

There are more temporary game modes now with the addition of Gridmaster. They likely wanted each shop to be separate so people would participate in them. And it's not like DMM would die off completely without the cosmetic rewards. It had a stable fanbase, and there were indirect incentives (Gold swapping between main and DMM)

[sterile wigeon]

It had a tiny fan base compared to all the other game modes and the only reason mains do this content is to either make gps by selling them or iron for the cosmetics themself

[ruby geyser]

And this year DMM is by far the most casual and least punishing out of every single iteration from the past.

[sterile wigeon]

This is true but still doesn’t negate the fact pvmers are being pushed into pvp if they want the cosmetics. I’m all for the cosmetics being cheaper from the original game modes so it’s more worth while to play them to collect the kits. I’m just asking for them to be available through the others.

Again I’ll say it, poll the idea and let the entire community decide instead of a few on a forums post

[ruby geyser]

There has been barely any PvP from my experience so far. Most people leave each other alone since there is zero incentive to do so.

[sterile wigeon]

Most people are the irons/pvmers that want the points then get out. There is still plenty of pvp going on

[ruby geyser]

Regardless, you can just take the death, and carry on. Just a minor inconvenience at best if you aren't an idiot with how much you're risking.

[sterile wigeon]

This isn’t going anywhere, poll the idea and see the majority…..

[viscid jolt]

this means nothing though, most people would make the game easier in a lot of ways whether its a boss encounter, skilling xp rates or getting X content rewards from Y content - that doesnt mean jagex should cave in because "pvp bad bro", like u dont even have to get kills, u can just do ur thing (skilling/pvm) and get points at a decent rate while occasionally getting pked, thats just how the game mode works and this time its a lot more forgiving with ur bank being safe

the community somewhat collectively voted for new dmm cosmetics, imagine then polling non-dmm ways to get said cosmetics because some people dont like doing the content but voted for it anyway??? like daemon said, just take the zero risk death and get back to skilling, the game mode is about "i could get pked at any point" after all, so again, its literally a mindset diff that comes off as giga entitled... im saying this as an ex-pker who has never been into the dmm style pking either, but im not going to complain if people kill me in that game mode while im just trying to hit 12k by skilling, i know what i've signed up for and im willing to grind it out if its that important to me... and if its not that important (lmao cosmetic), i'll just not participate if its really that agonizing (which is not imo because i know what im getting into)

im not a fan of leagues either btw, so i simply choose to not get the rewards instead of arguing that i should be able to get those rewards from dmm instead, u know what i mean? and one more time: they are cosmetics and thats even more reason for people to not be entitled to getting them from leagues instead

[sterile wigeon]

im not arguing about getting the rewards im simple asking for a vote on making them accessable with all other temp game modes. the game has been shapped by the votes of the player base so not asking the question because your scared of the answer isnt that way oldschool is meant to be.

and to call someone entiteld for having a point of view is moronic. at no point have i said i can't get points or play the game mode, i simple said that temporary game modes are meant to be enjoyed so you should be able to get the rewards through the ones you enjoy. This will give some people the chance to get leagues rewards through dmm and some to get dmm rewards through leagues, its personal preference

[viscid jolt]

well u are arguing about getting the rewards from another game mode because u dont like dmm... i already made the point that polling it would be super scuffed considering every "i dont like this content, could i please get the rewards from somewhere else?" would pass, and that goes against the spirit of having separate game modes in the first place

for what its worth, i hope u can find a way (a mindset shift?) to enjoy dmm and get the rewards - what gets me is the entitled attitude because u dont like that piece of content and want to get it from somewhere else instead, and also claiming that u are forced to play it - again, walk away and ignore the cosmetics or send the content

is leagues meant to be enjoyed? well i guess, but i definitely dont enjoy it, and i still dont think i should be able to ignore leagues and spam dmm for leagues cosmetics

and to call someone entiteld for having a point of view is moronic
its not that u dont have a point of view, its about the way u convey it like "i dont like dmm, can i just get the rewards from leagues instead?", and that screams entitlement to me

[wheat glen]

You can easily get the cosmetics you want by playing 2 hours a day.

[wheat glen]

This wouldn't pass the poll

[viscid jolt]

like i said, either u do the content for the cosmetics(!!!) or u laugh and walk away and decide its not worth it

[sterile wigeon]

you can't just assume it wouldn't pass a poll so dont poll it..... poll it and if it doesn't pass then there is the answer

i see all the people that were on the forums are on here instead. just like to opose someones opinion

[viscid jolt]

this means nothing though, most people would make the game easier in a lot of ways whether its a boss encounter, skilling xp rates or getting X content rewards from Y content

[wheat glen]

Arguing with the community is a great way for people to not champion your idea.

Again i ask - Why should someone that has never touched dmm, have assess to dmm cosmetics?

Part of the fun of the temp game modes is that they are for a time and the cosmetics are related to that reward space. If you don't do that specific type of temp game mode then you don't get the cosmetics 🙂

[sterile wigeon]

thats where you dont know the player base then. many polls failed due to it making the game to easy

[viscid jolt]

im opposing it because u dont like it and want the rewards from somewhere else... get the rewards from dmm or use the other cool crystal recolors

[wheat glen]

Also you as an iron should know this - you want the drop - go get it

[sterile wigeon]

before i answer your question answer me why crystal armour/bowfa kit mainly used for pvm its from a pvp game mode

[sterile wigeon]

your opposing it because its not your opinion and dont like the fact someone else would think otherwise.

[wheat glen]

Bofa is used for pvp, same with crystal armour

[sterile wigeon]

tiny percentage used for pvp compared to pvm

[wheat glen]

Having a good cosmetic reward is a clever way to draw people into one of the most fun and accessible dmms so far.

Let me ask an extra question - have you played this dmm yet?

[sterile wigeon]

yes im 12k points in

[wheat glen]

Then why are you arguing for a non issue?

[sterile wigeon]

im not arguing, i put up the post and by you commenting your the ones who caused the argument. im simply asking for another option to get it where one may enjoy the game mode.....

[viscid jolt]

im opposing it because u dont like the content (understandable), but then u are basically demanding a another way to get the rewards because u dont like dmm

im fine with other people thinking otherwise, like im just telling u why i think its a bad take imo, u literally posted this in game suggestions, what do u expect?

also, if u want to enjoy the game mode more, i already told u that u need to change ur mentality

[wheat glen]

Don't blame others for your own response

[sterile wigeon]

i've not demanded anything, if you had read the previous comments. im asking for a poll to find out if the majority of the player base feel the same

[wheat glen]

Things don't go to the polls unless the have support

[viscid jolt]

and i gave u a reply:

this means nothing though, most people would make the game easier in a lot of ways whether its a boss encounter, skilling xp rates or getting X content rewards from Y content - that doesnt mean jagex should cave in because "pvp bad bro", like u dont even have to get kills, u can just do ur thing (skilling/pvm) and get points at a decent rate while occasionally getting pked, thats just how the game mode works and this time its a lot more forgiving with ur bank being safe

[sterile wigeon]

and a few keyboard warriors will go against this because they are always the kind of people on the forums

[wheat glen]

The great part of game suggestions is working with the other players to find a good compromise where your idea is lacking or if it's a bad idea to gain a different perspective/ what would be healthy for the game

[viscid jolt]

im sensing more salt than the pacific ocean ngl

[sterile wigeon]

that's a bullshit answer and not true, many polls have failed because people don't want the game easier

[viscid jolt]

when it comes to pvp related updates or game modes, they sure do, to the point where they wouldnt have to touch dmm at all and still get the dmm rewards

[sterile wigeon]

explain to me when you have worked with the idea to give a better option? you haven't, you've just said "no i don't like it so it shouldn't happen"

[wheat glen]

I give suggestions to good ideas and when op is willing to listen

[sterile wigeon]

this would prove dmm is dead content for the majority and drive the dev time into bigger and better things

[wheat glen]

If you want people to just agree with you, you're in the wrong place.

If you're getting the answers you don't want to hear then maybe either your idea is flawed, the request is not in line with the community, or come back with an actual compromise

Leaving this thread.

[sterile wigeon]

or the same morons from reddit are on here aswell. the majority of people within the game dont even look at these posts, they only vote or comment when ideas are in the poll

[viscid jolt]

we're clearly not on the same page here, different mindsets and all that... im fine with being pked as im doing my dmm stuff in zero risk because im just a chill guy, whereas ur posts come off as entitled and salty because of the "i dont want to do dmm, can i please just spam leagues for the dmm rewards"

sorry if it seems like im flaming u, its just that our mentalities are so different - u dont want to do the content and want an alternative, i want the rewards from dmm to come from dmm... like i said, they're just cosmetics, u arent forced to get cosmetics of all things

its not going to change, and ur tantrum makes me much less likely to ever agree with u about this... the dmm rewards will stay in dmm, like it or not... but i sincerely hope u can find a way to even somewhat enjoy it instead of expecting to get dmm rewards from leagues

u see the rewards, u think they are cool - fair - but instead of getting them from the content they were designed for, u want an option to get them from somewhere else... that is entitlement, they are just cosmetics bro, just walk away if its too much work (which is fair too)

what i will say though about the reddit morons comment, if anything, u are the reddit moron in this conversation with the textbook reddit echochamber takes, might want to think about that one before u go to sleep

again, fix ur mentality, dont do dmm if u cant stomach it, ur problem is that u are way too attached to the cosmetics, and instead of getting them the normal way, u want a way to get them outside of dmm... just let go of ur bowfa kit obsession and walk away man, problem solved

i'll also leave this thread because im done with the entitled takes, godspeed to u brother, hope u can still enjoy the main game and maybe find a way to enjoy dmm too (mindset diff mindset diff mindset diff mindset diff mindset diff mindset diff mindset diff)

[sterile wigeon]

i posted a suggestion and you came in to tell me how wrong i am, i didnt seak you out to have this "argument". jsut because we dont agree you come out on your high horse saying how im entitled. again i'll say it, i've never said i want this to be changed right now and i dont think its fair. all i've asked is it be polled or even spoken about to see if this is what the community wants

[ruby geyser]

The one argument I could possibly see myself agreeing with consolidating it is you don't know when the next time a specific event will run again. For example, we don't know when the next Gridmaster style event will happen. So if you were shy of a few points, you don't know when the next time it will run.

But for the most part, they have been consistent

The previous League ran in late 2024. Next one is in April this year. So it technically was more or less about a year and some change since the last one

Deadman took a year and a half hiatus between this one and the previous one

And DMM before that was a year prior. And the Leagues before that was about a year prior. So typically expect them each year to year and a half. Probably depends on what they have on their table. 2025 was definitely heavily spent on getting Sailing ready. So some stuff probably has to be pushed later

[sterile wigeon]

It would also help those who can play more around specific times of the year, maybe in August because of uni or maybe Christmas because of holiday and family. Some individuals could go years without being able to participate in a specific game mode

[celest marsh]

These shop items are purely cosmetic yes? Used to encourage people to try out different game modes

[viscid jolt]

yes but we have people asking to get said "temp mode exclusive cosmetics" from somewhere else, im not here to take a piss on OP's expense but come on, do the content or dont, cosmetics have zero effect on gameplay, u know what i mean? i dont like any temp game modes so can i get the cosmetics from pvm? no because that would defeat the whole purpose of those game modes (rewards-wise)

[stuck granite]

The current DMM season is already very League-ified as it is. I am by no means a PKer but I'm still getting along just fine, I've noticed most players are pretty nice and respectful and you don't get attacked for no reason very often. I've had a whole 3 people attack me this week and I've only died to one of them, and that was only after I successfully made it to a bank and banked everything on me. It's really not that hard bro, if you wanna get DMM rewards just play the game mode, you can stick around in the 1st bracket and be primarily a skiller and nobody really bothers you.

[celest marsh]

The value of DMM cosmetics are high for a reason, and should stay that way imo. I personally dont enjoy DMM, but I think its cool that we get events for the PvPers out there as well 🙂 If you really want cool cosmetics, you better work for it.

[sterile wigeon]

the value of dmm rewards are high because they are permanent where as leagues you get a reusable scroll and the fact the dmm rewards are used for 5 weapons instead of 1

[viscid jolt]

im out here going for 12k as we speak, had a few annoying moments but overall it has been pretty fun, im getting the rewards because i want them, and i dont want them to come from anywhere else

realize that u either put in the work for the rewards or u dont get them, this shouldnt be controversial at all imo

[sterile wigeon]

your like a stuck record, you go round and round over the same shit, i understood what you meant the first time.

[viscid jolt]

all i've asked is it be polled or even spoken about to see if this is what the community wants
like i said, plenty of game breaking things would pass just because the community thinks its good (wanting things to be easier, wanting to feel more powerful, wanting to ignore the content they dont like and get the rewards elsewhere)

im not trying to be on a high horse, im saying that this is just how the game works - play dmm for the cosmetic rewards or dont, i used the word "entitled" because u want to get the rewards from somewhere else instead of simply getting them from dmm where u dont even have to attack other players to get ur points

[granite lake]

i think part of the frustration might come from the rewards being kind of non-pvp cosmetics, i couldnt care less about cosmetics for dclaws because i dont use dclaws, but bowfa is so universal, playing a pvp mode for something like that feels unthematic, (same for leagues btw, slayer helms feel to me, should be slayer exclusive, perfectly fine for both these modes to have exclusive rewards)

[viscid jolt]

i mean u dont get the concept of "reward comes from X, do X to get reward", but instead its like "well yes reward comes from X but i want it to come from Y because i dont like X"

[sterile wigeon]

like i said, theres been planty of polls that haven't passed because of it makin the game to easy

[sterile wigeon]

your a moron simple as that, we've been over this so cry somewhere else.

[celest marsh]

Good point, you dont even have to pvp if you play smart and just skill your way to get points.

[viscid jolt]

im not the one crying lmao, u are being antagonistic because i disagree with ur idea of "i dont like dmm, please let me get the dmm rewards from leagues"

there is zero crying from my side, meanwhile u are out here complaining about being "forced" to do dmm for a cosmetic and semi attacking people who disagree... its like u are projecting ur anger and crying on me, and calling people keyboard warriors and morons

either way, this conversation is going nowhere and u will have to get the cosmetic dmm rewards by playing dmm... stick to skilling and quests and u will have ur points in no time, no pking needed, no point in crying over it, we still have 17 days of dmm! best of luck

[sterile wigeon]

your going over and over the same points and moaning when i disagree. you also said you were going to leave the thread as we wont agree on this, yet here you are....

i've also never said im being forced, im saying it pushes people into the content that they may not enjoy and that being a temporary game mode its designed to be enjoyed by those who like pvp and leagues is for the ones who dont.

[viscid jolt]

got a good nights sleep and now im back so yeah

[sterile wigeon]

got a good night sleep and now ready to moan some more

[viscid jolt]

i would like the Voidwaker and crystal skins for my iron. this is forcing me to do dmm where I'm not enjoying the game and actually making me get bored and dislike it
it is not forcing u to do dmm, u see a reward, monkey brain go "oh me want that" but then u dont want to do the content and ask for another way to get the reward, like thats just not how the game works man... there are awful grinds and u simply do them or choose to walk away - in this case its a damn cosmetic, not an upgrade, so u can completely ignore it... thats why i said it seems entitled to want another way to get it because u dont want to do dmm

a wise man once said, attachment is the root of suffering

[viscid jolt]

u post a suggestion on a public forum, get replies that disagree with u, and thats moaning? like dude, i'd also like to get dmm rewards from pvm instead, but i also realize that the rewards come from content X, so i have to do content X if i want the cosmetic rewards

[sterile wigeon]

having people disagree is a discussion but having you comment every 30 seconds and go over the same things is moaning, you've posted in this thread as much as i have and I'm the original poster 😂

I've not demanded it be change, I've asked for it to be looked into for the general player base and what they want, this is the way osrs has been shaped from the start.

[viscid jolt]

im simply debunking ur arguments, the core issue is still about wanting to get the rewards from somewhere else instead of simply doing the content (u dont even have to pk, just do skilling and quests like i said)

ok u werent demanding, fair, but of course the player base will vote for it just to avoid pvp... same thing with a lot of (not all) things - make cg drops more common? would pass for sure

and if temp modes are there to have fun, surely the main game is there to have fun too? but we're not having fun doing certain pieces of content, but a "bright" mentality helps a lot with that

[sterile wigeon]

comes back round to the main game not having a time restraint so having infinite time to do the content you don't enjoy

[viscid jolt]

i'd completely agree about the time restraint if it was an upgrade, but its just a cosmetic that doesnt change the game in any way

feeling too attached to a cosmetic that comes from content u dont like is fine - im a fan of "aesthetics" too, but suggesting it should be available in leagues kind of defeats the purpose, at least in my books... nothing personal here btw, im just against the idea itself

[sterile wigeon]

then lets come up with a compromise instead of not getting anywhere with this. what if you could get them from any of the shops but have to get to a specific total level or something within the original game mode? something like 1k total level in dmm unlocks accessibility but then it costs overpriced amount from leagues point?

or even a combination of the points to help those who don't have enough time to get it in one single game mode

[tough anchor]

The tldr of this post is "I'm an ironman that knows I need to get everything myself, but I don't like DMM and still want the rewards". Its like saying "I want the LMS cosmetic rewards, but I don't like pvp so let me use my pest control points to unlock them instead".

[sterile wigeon]

except once again i can do lms little and often to get the rewards over years! why do people not realise this. not everyone can sit and no life a temporary game mode to get all the points needed for the rewards. I'm trying to look at way to make this fair across the board and allow everyone to be involved. instead of coming on here and coming out with the same bs that's been said 100 times, why not think of ways to make this better for all and compromise

[tough anchor]

There is no need for any compromise. If it has been said 100 times, its because people are explaining why this suggestion doesn't make sense. You are free to be in the minority and disagree.

[sterile wigeon]

except i would say I'm the majority when it comes to the player base and not the morons on forums as usual. 99% of the community doesn't look at forums and just plays but they all vote when it comes up ingame. i've tried to look at work arounds but i seem to be the only one who is willing to budge because im looking at making the game better for all not just myself

[tough anchor]

I disagree and gave my feedback so that's all for me.

[sterile wigeon]

goes to show you don't actually care about the game and community, just what you think and what you want

[tough anchor]

Oh I absolutely care about the game and community. I've been around for years and helping answer questions for newer players all the time. I also will absolutely continue to think what I want.

[sterile wigeon]

doesn't come across that way and being around for years means nothing, many people have played this game for years so doesn't make you special

[tough anchor]

You have an obviously biased opinion of anyone that disagrees with you so there is little value in continuing this discussion.

[sterile wigeon]

except I'm the only one that's tried to come round to an idea that fits all so that statement is just you crying that i think otherwise

[sullen patrol]

This suggestion went to hell and it doesn't take a lot of investigation to see why, but I would be remiss if I didn't chip in, since I've thought about this exact thing a lot

I would 100% agree that cosmetic rewards that show you did something stay tied to that thing. However:

• These cosmetics are tradable
• These cosmetics do provide a gameplay benefit, however small it may be (specifically, the weird interaction between items kept on death and tradable ornament kits)

I feel like if they aren't going to merge the shops, they should fix at least one of those things

it's a bit of a stupid hill to die on and I openly admit that, but my brain doesn't like it

[wheat glen]

the only compromise i would make is if they ever discontinued a temp game mode, then allow the other temp gamemodes to be used for that shop. aka no more leagues, then you can buy the items with other points

[hasty gorge]

I was originally also thinking it would be nice to have a unified shop, but the more I read this thread the more my mind changed lol. I believe the TLDR is: Nobody's forcing you. Deiron if you don't like iron restrictions.

[sterile wigeon]

same comment from people against irons. it has nothing todo with the fact of being an iron, its to do with possibly not having the time to do the specific temporary game mode

[low sierra]

Tbf you should engage with the temporary gamemode for the rewards it offers if you want

[ocean thistle]

Im a iron and im strongly against the idea.

I have a similar suggestion that I think is a much better approach

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1468662970383990805

[sterile wigeon]

that would make it easier being able to have 5 accounts afking at once

[ocean thistle]

Which would be slower than playing 1 account in the max bracket and doing breachs but yeah its not perfect

Id be fine with additional controls in place to prevent it though

[sterile wigeon]

i just want to find a way around everyone being able to do the content and get the items even if they cant play to much during the events. otherwise your making it unfair to those who have a busier lifestyle

[ocean thistle]

Having to reset your w 45 account is just dumb

And personally I hate leagues if I could afk my main account while playing it I would be more in favor

( this was kinda planned b4 project zanaris got scrapped )

[ocean thistle]

Dmm pts are incredibly fast with today's changes

[sterile wigeon]

i don't mind things being hard to obtain if there is plenty of time for everyone to achieve them

[ocean thistle]

Breachs caping at 16 people really hurt the casual player but the main reason im against your idea is it would heavily devalue the dmm cosmetics I do agree it sucks though if your busy for the 3 weeks

[sterile wigeon]

i agree, i now got 1k points from 1 breach, so people can now log on 1s per day for the breach and achieve the points

todays update has now made it more accessible to everyone

[ocean thistle]

[sterile wigeon]

the thing with the dmm cosmetics is they are 1 time use then they are out the game so the value is because of that. the leagues cosmetics can be taken back off and sold so don't disappear from the game. i would be all for them to change the leagues rewards to be a 1 time use like the dmm rewards aswell

[ocean thistle]

Yeah I would also be for that change. Also leagues is quite a bit more popular than dmm so that is part of the value aswell

[sterile wigeon]

leagues scrolls are almost worthless when it comes to profit, but dmm are insane because of 1 time use. it doesn't make much difference to me as i mainly aim for them on my iron so no gp value. for those who do them for a little profit i think this woudl make a huge difference

maybe i change this thread to make leagues uniques 1 time use now that the breaches have been fixed 😉

[ocean thistle]

I'd make a new post since this one already has a bad like to dislike ratio

[sterile wigeon]

i think there would be so many people to dislike my idea just because.

sod it lets make another post

[celest marsh]

The fact that you hate on others who disagrees with you, doesnt help your cause