Ironman only worlds

[ivory dagger]

I posted in said discussion how botters would just abuse this by making iron accounts to use on these worlds with less competition and then drop-trade to mains

You could potentially combat that by making it so your account is bound to Ironman-only worlds once you agree to use them, but I don’t see that being popular

Also, how would GIM fit into this? Just no green helms?

[steady zenith]

What's wrong with Gims and green helms being in these worlds? We can only pick up loot from our other group members?

[steady zenith]

Yeah that could be a potential problem, but truly i think if anything these worlds would be more full. Especially if they don't make a crazy amount of them

[ivory dagger]

Green helms are GIMs that have swapped groups, and (from what I’ve read/heard) there’s a problem of selling items into/from groups. Blue helms are GIMs that have their OG group, so I see no problem letting them in

Also, Ironman-themed worlds I’d be okay with, but not exclusive

[steady zenith]

Yeah I'm a greenhelm myself. I created a group within my clan. But we wouldn't effect the iron worlds because again we can only pick up from our group.

[hot herald]

Claiming that this is not keeping you safer in the wildy because "Pk iron accounts are on the rise" is something you conjured out of thin air. This would make any wildy content absolutely free for irons.

If there are few worlds then you'd still have the same problem because the worlds would be so populated. If many irons go to the iron-worlds to avoid competing with mains, then they end up competing with each other instead.

[steady zenith]

Well the main issue is, that mains are crashing irons and they just don't care because it doesn't effect them. Though for iron's if someone hits their kill they don't get loot.
Then on top of that for example if you're at demonics and you're needing to shuffle food or pots around, if you leave it even slightly too long so main will come over and steal it. Same with loot, you know.
I haven't made this out of thin air a lot of people are doing this nowadays, look it up if you don't believe me. Also it would encourage more people to do so.

[hot herald]

If the worlds are close to full, and irons go there to use the spots that they can get crashed by mains in normal worlds, then those spots would suffer from similar issues. Gl having people respect your two gorilla spawns while you're shuffling pots when there are people regularly hopping to the iron world to see if there's half a free spot.

Some people are doing it. Nowhere near enough to where the fraction of iron pker to irons is the same as pker to overall player. And the gear is wildly different because of the time it takes to acquire it. It's a lot easier to escape from lil billy in mystics and d'hides than it is to escape from a guy with crystal and virtus.

[steady zenith]

Well if there would be more demand like if it really took off and irons decided to mainly go on iron only worlds they could put out more worlds.
When it comes to pkers, they always love a challenge, i honestly believe it would create a big movement and you'll find a lot of well known pkers creating new content of ironman PK accounts, all round i think this would be good for everyone.

[hot herald]

Content creators jumping to it does not mean it's normal for a regular, non streaming, player to try pking in iron-only worlds. Westham, Oda and pretty much any content creator can borrow end-game irons to pk on. A regular pker just wanting to get into it would have to make an iron and actually build the account themselves, which puts a huge barrier to entry on iron-world pking.

[steady zenith]

Well that's your opinion. And i have mine, neither is wrong, i know of a fair few people who already do ironman pk accounts, it's a good disguise cause no one expects it from an iron. Adds a good challenge, they are on the rise and i do feel like something like this would snowball that. But yeah it's ok to disagree 🙂

[hot herald]

One of us is wrong though. We're not discussing something purely hypothetical. You're saying there are enough active pker irons to properly put the same fear of god into someone entering the wildy as there is in normal worlds.

Just because there are a few in your friend/clan circuit does not mean they are representative of the wider player base.

[steady zenith]

Yeah to have some worlds already. Then you add-on the effect that adding these worlds would have, it would become way more people.
Honestly you go and ask pk content creators if they'd do this guarantee most of them would say yes and that'll get their viewers doing the same

[hot herald]

I agree with you that content creators would do this. They don't have to build the iron accounts themselves most of the time. But content creators are not the only people pking.

But you're trying to argue that this would inspire enough pkers to put in thousands of hours of skilling and bossing to build pking accounts that can lose all gear progress to a random iron with a voidwaker and a couple well-timed venges.

You would rarely, if ever, see well-geared pkers on these worlds.

[steady zenith]

But it doesn't take thousands of hours to make a decent pk account with decent gear. A lot of people who pk don't use endgame equipment. Most people i come across in the wildy, are using pretty basic stuff which is easy to keep your hands on as an iron. Especially if you pk as a group or as a clan, you really don't need crazy good gear

[hot herald]

And those people are easier to escape from (in singles) compared to the terminators you occationally run into in normal worlds. Which would make wildy content much easier to do in these iron-worlds.

[steady zenith]

Added pvp tag to this i would love to hear from pkers on this

[steady zenith]

Okay occasionally, exactly my point though. It wouldn't make things like Callisto or vetton any easier, as you usually get rushed by big teams in basic gear. At the chaos altar people usually come in d hide or mystics. Most of the time in the wildy people use gear which is easy enough to get.

[hot herald]

Now you're just ignoring the singles bosses that people normally go to for the same drops. Where it would absolutely matter.

You wouldn't be completely safe in the wildy in these worlds. but you would be a lot safer compared to normal worlds. Which is bad.

[steady zenith]

Would make no difference there because if you're on your guard you tp out before they can touch you anyways

[steady zenith]

Well i disagree

[hot herald]

Why are people pking at those spots so frequently if the people bossing there can just tp out as easily as you say?

[steady zenith]

Cause people aren't Always on their guard

[hot herald]

So it would make a difference in those spots then after all?

[steady zenith]

And again you don't need the best gear to get a pk there anyways if you manage to catch someone you've got them because they are also using basic gear

[slender pendant]

Cut off the entire wilderness, and possibly even some other pvp content and I'm on board at least.

[steady zenith]

In my time i haven't seen anyone come down in max gear or anything crazy, again they're usually using basic stuff

[steady zenith]

Sure that could also be an option but i honestly don't think it would be necessary.

[slender pendant]

It would. The wilderness would be drastically different on an Ironlocked world. The rest of the map not so much, more IronQOL.

[hot herald]

Idk if you're just lying to try to push for a change to make wildy content easier for irons or if you genuinely believe there would be the same risk for an iron to go into the wildy in such a proposed world.

[slender pendant]

I basically only play iron, and I'd abuse the living hell out of wildy in these world if possible.

[hot herald]

If a pker kills 10 ppl for every 1 death, they have usually made the death cost back multiple times over those 10 kills.

If a pker iron kills 10 ppl for every 1 death they have made back 0 of that death cost. Do you not see how that is a massive disincentive for pkers to use these worlds regularly?

[steady zenith]

Checkout YouTube there are already a lot of ironman locked pk videos.
Making these worlds would make this even more popular.
There really isn't much of the basic gear that pkers use that isn't easy to get on an ironman account.
Honestly i think the best way to solve will this encourage pkers to take up the challenge or not, would be to ask pkers themselves. From what i know of the pk community, I'm pretty certain a lot of them would.

[steady zenith]

But it didn't cost them anything cause they are an iron 😄

Like pkers still transfer keys over to mains. And the gear they use they buy or make themselves.

[hot herald]

The cost is time which i hope you know.

[slender pendant]

In theory it could be amusing, and an iron could pk, get keys, hop, get pked by an alt to collect loot.

But still, I don't think it would be fair, and no way in hell it would pass a poll. So like I said, cut off the entire wildy and I'm good with it.

Also ironPKers would on average be much weaker than mainworld PKers due to limited/lack of access to a lot of gear and supplies.

[hot herald]

Let asocial irons download an offline version of the game.

[steady zenith]

Yeah but once you're there at being able to make the stuff, it's really not that much time.

[hot herald]

Yeah, the toxic staff of the dead didn't really take that long to get did it? I'll just quickly pick up a set of ahrim or eclipse. No biggie.

[steady zenith]

Who's using ahrims and eclipse I've not seen that at all

[hot herald]

The gear you can make fast as an iron is literal rag gear.

[steady zenith]

Especially if you do a group ironman pk group, one member can work on one skill to get stuff and another can another and so on

[steady zenith]

You have no clue mate honestly, sorry but im done with this conversation. I guess you're a main from the way you're talking.

[slender pendant]

Amusing thought like I said, I'd maybe even try it, but there is no way the PK threat would be as real/big as in any other world.

Claiming it would be is either delussional or a straight up lie.

[hot herald]

You're suggesting niche content-creator accounts on the level of chunk-accounts would populate the iron-widly enough to justify an actual threath....

[hot herald]

I'm sure your suggestion faired better in your echo chamber of iron friends/clannies. But to make some of the claims you make is delusional. It's your personal fantasy-land you are describing.

[steady zenith]

Well you're wrong, so 🤷 it seems like you're just too closed minded to see the bigger picture and you're Just stuck on your own viewpoint on it.

As i said check YouTube there's already a lot of videos out there, it's gaining in popularity already, and this would just snowball what's already started.

[slender pendant]

A few video highlights doesn't really say much about the whole pk landscape. Most pkers do not post vids.

And you might be underestimating the work behind an ironman pk account.

But my tip to you: Try to get off the wildy discussion, and the rest of the suggestion might actually stand a chance. If the suggestion is mainly meant to have separate worlds to do wildy content on, pass.

[steady zenith]

My main thoughts were on the world as a whole, the wildy was a side thought. I also wouldn't mind if the wildy was locked tbh.