While the PVM side appears to be getting buffed substantially, the skilling half of the key is still incredibly slow. The drop rates of the skilling half of the key should be at least doubled as currently if you're AFK'ing Teaks for 8 hours you can expect around 2-3 loops a day, meaning to go on rate it would take 250 days of 8 hours of teaks which is a total grind of 2,000 hours. That's the second fastest way of obtaining them, the first is 2t teaks.
#Improve the Moon Loop Half of Key
dusk cipher
kind wedge
This brings up a good point, which will be brought up every time something on this level of rarity is added to the game:
Is it OK to add anything on par with 3rd age rarity ever again, or does everything need to be designed to be reasonably obtainable due to the greenlogging clogger mindset?
In my opinion, adding super rare stuff like this is fine, as long as it's not a useful item and just cosmetic. I don't think that everything needs to be reasonably obtainable
dusk cipher
I don't think rarity is necessarily the issue, as I do agree with your sentiment. I think 3rd age has a special place not only because of the rarity but the means to obtain it. Clues are very engaging, fun and fairly common, you regularly collect them and engage with the content.
When you compare this back to the moon key, it just doesn't make any sense. It's a completely random, arbitrary grind that doesn't have you engage with anything particularly exciting or unique. It's just content for content's sake and it would be more interesting if it had something to give you a reason to do it.
north idol
If you don’t think the unique from this chest is worth it, why do you care? Just don’t chase it if you don’t want it. Some exclusivity for cosmetic items keeps them interesting, and not everyone needs to have everything.
The rates for the PVM key were extraordinarily out of line when you look at the common rewards from the chest (you’d get hundreds of huasca seeds from Huey before ever opening the chest for a 1/10 for 6 seeds), but for the skilling half it feels balanced to me- a few per day of low effort content is fine. If you are afking teaks anywhere else you would get nothing at all.
dusk cipher
If you don’t think the unique from this chest is worth it, why do you care? Just...
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The 'don't do it if you don't want it' argument is outdated and tired. I'm a clogger with 1354 clogs so it's well within my means to raise something I find disproportionate with the rest of the game.
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Exclusivity is good but there's nothing exclusive about afk'ing so many hours to get an item that has no content tied to it, if it's just about exclusivity then it wouldn't be needed in the clog anyway.
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I've spent another 8 hours today doing teaks, and got 2. So 248 days to go on rate and then I get to go farm 500 teeth half elsewhere... that's not exclusive, it's just pointlessly rare.
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It isn't 'a few per day', it's 2. Teaks chop down very fast, so it's hardly as if you're leaving it to chop for a few minutes. It's 30 seconds.
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Just because you got nothing elsewhere, doesn't mean this is reasonable.
supple musk
I’ve mined at least 10,000 bone shards in Cam Torum for Prayer XP, over at least a dozen hours, and in that time I’ve gotten three moon key loops. I’m not sure if I’m “unlucky” but at that rate I would need to mine to over 100m Prayer (and 200m Mining several times over) to go “on-rate” for the moon helm. I know Mining isn’t the most effective way to get the key loops but the rarity is absurd.