Ask us about Varlamore!

[lone night]

🌄 Curious about Varlamore?

What do you most want to know, or what are you most excited for?

We'll pass your responses to the teams, and feature their answers to your Varlamore-related questions in a blog update next week!

🤫 We won't be giving any major spoilers! 🤫

[teal arrow]

Are there any plans yet for a Varlamore Diary, or is that down the line?

[keen shell]

Is delve boss demonic?

[whole wagon]

yes it is

[ocean lance]

Should we go do TDs

[outer flint]

Is it going to be more efficent to fletch your logs into bows then use them for the minigame, or just use logs?

[fickle hamlet]

can i buy gf in varlamore?

[upbeat arrow]

Did I see the bards guild in the original map pitch? Was this inspired by the barding skill suggestion?

[proper ginkgo]

Capybara pet??

[humble prairie]

When can we expect varlamore achievement diaries?

[sudden basin]

Can you confirm if its better to fletch bows or give logs for the fletching activity.

P.s. I love you

[half pine]

for Varla diary rewards have you considered these?

• Discounted Colosseum Deaths
• Slayer helm to work with moons armor/weapons like it does with Shayzien.
• Quetzel station in POH (basically Infinite Whistle)
• Chance to save a house key when thieving houses
• Diary item buffs Hunter catch rate (like varrcok does mining)
• Additional reward from Hunter Rumours -either exp or supplies
• Better Blessed Wine/Sunfire rate
• Purchase Mastering Mixology potion packs with only 1 type of resin
• A discount for repairing moon gear
• Better odds when exchanging parts at Moons
• Increased Termites/h

[chrome socket]

What's the deal with Gem Crab? Crafting option for ironman?

[thorny pebble]

is this the last major content to be added to varlamore?

[tacit bobcat]

This is an amazing idea

[wet niche]

Will Varlamore receive any interesting tidbits with the addition of sailing?

[tacit bobcat]

GG my Diary Cape tho

[weary torrent]

What are the requirements for the new slayer dungeon quest?

[frank furnace]

If you had to compare the fletching minigame to another skilling minigame, which is it closest to?

[graceful stump]

When the Varlamore diary comes out, which skills will it concentrate on?

[hallow sequoia]

no questions but thank you for dropping varlamore on my birthday super nice present

[unborn dome]

Is it too late to give avernic treads 7str in their completed form instead of 6str

6 str effectively has near-0 impact where the range and mage upgrades are bigger than the last 3 melee upgrades combined

[hoary zephyr]

how AFK is the crab boss?

[silver fog]

hello will varlamore delve boss have an optional difficulty mode that is so challenging that it takes at least 100 hours to complete

[robust crow]

i think this is an integrity change

[dense wedge]

Will they way the doom evovles pr floor be akin to invocations?

[modern bronze]

I look most forward to new players having to buy gear and the prices restoring there were its needed.

[vague magnet]

Can we get some of the hairstyles of Varlamore NPCs available for us to choose?

[remote bridge]

What happened to the Coco drink bit, it wasn't mentioned in the polls

[woeful junco]

Will you be able to access Varlamore from Zeah without doing the Children of the Sun Quest?

[whole wagon]

I believe they said at runefest they said there will be a diary at some point but no specifics as to when

[lilac saddle]

Can we buy Varlamore NPC clothes?

[frozen orchid]

To add on to tom's question will we be able to walk from Kourend to Varlamore?

[sick pulsar]

will the fletching minigame replace fletching bows at bank, is there a pet and can we get sweaty with it for more exp/points

[teal arrow]

Yeh, the questions is just asked so much in the discord, so was hoping for some confirmation one or the other way

[upbeat arrow]

Any plans to make the completed treads tradable so they aren't a headache for gim?

[fickle hamlet]

also can i buy bf in varlamore?

[small cave]

Will the moon helm be added to the collection log with the varlamore update? and will the teeth half drop rates be looked at or added to more sources?

[fallen tree]

Will there be a new way to get bow strings or flax from the minigame?

[whole wagon]

the original map pitch was made by GentleTractor, who was the one who suggested a Bard skill himself, so he included bard stuff at tempestus

[pallid shadow]

Any plans yet for tempestus?

[remote bridge]

Is the previously mentioned calquat patch still real

[lilac bear]

Are there taxes in varlamore

[feral wing]

Will we get those slayer focused sweep up blogs after varla p3?

[mortal gate]

when are we getting the capybara as a pet

please give us the capybara as a pet

[solar yew]

Where's the Bard's College?

[crisp gorge]

Will we have more silly quests like the frogs?

[whole wagon]

They're hoping to get it out next week

[jade stirrup]

Just how tall is the largest tree in varlamore?

[teal arrow]

Solitude

[solemn junco]

Will the fletching minigame take less time than mastering mixology to green log?

[whole wagon]

Tempestus, which is an island southeast of the Stranglewood and north of the tlati rainforest

[woven quartz]

Can you befriend the Doom of Mokhaiotl if you bring the Dinh's Bulwark to it? Like you'd be shield buddies or something.

[half merlin]

Can you tell us about the inspiration for the fletching minigame boss, and if you have plans for other content with similar backgrounds?

[sharp trout]

Do we need anything for the fletching minigame?

[leaden pelican]

will i get a gf in valamore

[solar yew]

I mean where is it why is it not part of Varla p3 lol

[ornate dew]

should i be dusting anything off

[olive holly]

With the final part Of Valamore releasing when can we expect a Valamore achievement diary? (I want my exp lamps)

[whole wagon]

It's not a boss just FYI

[kind surge]

Is there going to be a more viable way to farm PvM moon keys in part 3? If not is there a general redo of how the drop table works at least for Huey since it relies so heavily on masses for still slow rates?

[upper abyss]

I agree with Mr Branchpelt! I want a new acheivement diary

[remote bridge]

I think they said no diary for a while, it would be post sailing if anything so it has a sailing req

[whole wagon]

that was part of a gamejam, which often don't make it into the game, so i wouldn't get your hopes up (but hopefully there is)

[fathom oxide]

will moonlight antelope fur get a use?

[whole wagon]

Moon key piece drop rate rebalancing was mentioned to be a part of the summer sweepup

[gleaming tartan]

Can 1 def accounts do delve boss?

[solar yew]

what piece of gear would the achievement item be for a Varlamore Diary if it did come out? Seems like every slot is taken, alternative weapon/blessing maybe?

[vapid night]

Is this place gonna be centred or made to fit the bay, it bothers me deeply

[whole wagon]

they've already doubled up on mainhands (wildy sword and western banner)

[surreal ivy]

Moons gear set effects with slayer helm

[carmine salmon]

What fletching level do you have to be to access he new fletching skilling method

[whole wagon]

keep in mind this is super unfinished

[cerulean matrix]

1. What about Tempestus? Only comments about it are lost in Discord comments, with no further (official) mention in any blog.

2. Moonlight antelope fur's description says "I can make something out of this.", although no use is possible yet. Will this be addressed?

3. Why moonlight and sunlight moth mixes inventory icons still have the same sprites as the "sapphire glacialis mix" since the release of Varlamore part 1?

4. DARKMOON RAVINE is in Aldarin, but it is inacessible. What are the plans for it? [edit: i confused it with Mistrock originally]

5. With Sulphur blades, Glacial temotli and Earthbound tecpatl covering fire, water and earth, will we get a double hit weapon associated with air down the line?

[solar yew]

@vapid night that part isn't added for Varla p3 if that's tempestus

[upbeat arrow]

Offhand too if you count cba hilt

[brave locust]

Will we ever get progress of Xeric's lore?

[brazen kite]

Colo resurrection would be broken.
But I'd like to add to this list:

• increased rate of easy clues from thieving wealthy citizens (pls closer to HAM rate)
• better catch rate of Tecu salamander
• allow Mastering Mixology potion packs to be purchased with only 1 type of resin

[vapid night]

wut i thought varla 3 was the rest of varla?

is that gonna be left blank

[whole wagon]

Tempestus will not be a part of P3 (as far as we know)

[vapid night]

oh no

[solar yew]

Tempestus and the Bard's College on it are not part of p3

[cerulean matrix]

i know, but they should address it in any blog

[kind surge]

ty

[solar yew]

I think they did say it in a blog, that maybe they'd return to Varlamore after sailing. God forbid though lol

To complete Tempestus

[vapid night]

fix arceuus first pl0x

[solemn junco]

Can I do delve on my 1600 ultimate iron?

[trail island]

Any word on getting another use for House Keys, from the Varlamore thieving?

I love pickpocketing the wealthy citizens because it's so afk, but it is a little awkward that one of the rewards from that allows us to do...slightly less afk thieving?

[visual helm]

Please Give hunter rumor a capybara pet transmog

[rare swan]

What tier logs will be used for the fletching minigame?

[keen cairn]

How does the area connect to lore of the overall game? And does will this be the last expansion of the map? Or is there room to create more areas on the map for similar types of content release?

[solar yew]

Menaphos is coming some day

[crisp nimbus]

Will there be more quests about frogs?

Ever

[teal arrow]

probably need 1601 total atleast!

Would be a funny blogpost: "And cement can do delve on his uim"

[solar yew]

Sailing is a giant area expansion technically too lol

[upbeat arrow]

A quest that incorporates frogs and penguins would be phenomenal

[crisp nimbus]

I agree

[solemn junco]

that be would be so funny
I’m just wondering if I should dust off the main or uim 🤣

[remote bridge]

If we get a varlamore diary it needs a high hunter req, diary cape req is 70 hunter right now if I'm not mistaken

[shut star]

Will there be a true soul altar on varlamore? 🙂

[whole wagon]

the true soul altar is located in Menaphos

[dusk skiff]

Can you give a storyline recap so we're ready to jump in at release?

[patent glen]

Will Tempetus and the College of Bards be in Varlamore Part 3? Alternatively, Does Part 3 “fill out” the map of Varlamore or are there plans for a part 4?

[icy swallow]

I'm a new player - can someone explain what this update is in laymans ?

[foggy fiber]

The end of A Kingdom Divided has a cliffhanger that links Zeah and Varlamore. Will we see further continuation of quests and general love for Varlamore after part 3?

Similarly, what is happening with release areas that have little to no content like the Scavengers Outpost and Mistrock

What is the plan with Tempestus? Its been there as a landmass with a college of bards and such structure since 2022, but there's been very little mention of it since.

Are we likely to expect an achievement diary with the release of part 3 or is that a future plan?

[whole wagon]

Tempestus will not be in P3, it will come at a later point but I don't think it'll be a full on part 4

[spiral dove]

New area expansion

[wicked sphinx]

Any more spirit tree patches?

[north epoch]

How hard would you rate end game delve vs other content such as inferno/colo etc

[inland needle]

When and what will be the varlamore achievement diary?

[stoic stratus]

Will the fletching mini game be equal or better XP then the previously removed Trouble Brewing XP rates?

[next epoch]

Can we sail to varlamore

[whole wagon]

they said way back in one of the blogs for it that the difficulty is designed around players going for their first inferno cape

[solemn walrus]

is endgame delve 500k death fee on the go or is there some lower cost until x kc?

[unborn dome]

Where does delve’s target difficulty sit in relation to Yama?

[wraith crag]

What level of the Doom do each of the uniques start dropping?

[next epoch]

Inferno level

[ornate dew]

Will jagex accounts be tested BEFORE the update? It sucks being consistently hours behind everyone else every major update

[carmine harness]

doubtful

[charred fulcrum]

During DT2 the strangler infection of the stranglewood seemed like it would be a continent destroying entity, however it seemingly does not pose a threat to greater varlamore. What factors are keeping the strangler contained in its area?

[whole wagon]

theyve been pretty good about adding a reduced death cost for the first X kc at new difficult bosses lately so we can probably expect it here too

[hallow sorrel]

Is Delve actually going to be a fun boss?

[whole wagon]

I think it's because it's surrounded by water and large mountains keeping it relatively contained but I bet there's more to it

[remote bridge]

Forget walking to kebos can we walk to the stranglewood from varlamore

[ocean dock]

What is the starting and end difficulty of this delve boss compared to?

[latent otter]

on wiki

[misty temple]

Will the Moonlight Antelope Fur finally get a use?

[unborn dome]

They’ve long since went back on this, already saying it’s not longer end game

Unless another update was given

[dull wraith]

Is the wine in varlamore fueling a massive soul transference to power some deity??

[spiral osprey]

How many Moon Keys do we need for launch day? I know we need one to fight the Delve Boss, but will we need any extras for the other Varla 3 content?

[foggy laurel]

What will be the function of Moonlight antelope fur, and will moonlight and sunlight antelope antler fletching xp finally be fixed?

[sullen chasm]

Mate

We previously mentioned that Osto-Ayak is an end-game boss, aimed at players at or above Combat Level 120, preferably with their own Inferno Cape.```

Unless you can prove it this is the most recent

[forest rain]

any new farming patches?

[limber quarry]

If this is the final chapter of Varlamore, is there going to be a use for moonlight antelope hides or can you just remove them from game so they don't waste bag space?

[unborn dome]

#1393267555845537874 message

[weary torrent]

They have not shared the requirements of the slayer dungeon quest. There isn't even a public name for it yet.

I am not talking about 'The Final Dawn.'

[gritty jewel]

are the old ones followers of guthix? they share a close connection with nature and they have the same colors.

[tawdry wren]

What are the crab boss drops

[hard blade]

Any chance we can have some Fashionscape previews? Just excited for some more options!

[tacit kernel]

Does the crab boss have a pet?

[ocean dock]

It better .....

[whole wagon]

They have confirmed it does not have a pet

[ocean dock]

L

[tacit kernel]

Nooooo

[unborn dome]

I would like for it to be infernal difficulty fwiw. With a reasonably high barrier to entry, which is why I’m asking in relation to Yama which is also dubbed as an end game boss and comfortably misses the mark outside of contracts

[misty temple]

Any updates on the new Eagle Spot and Infinite Quetzal Whistle?

[lofty root]

Where's a good place to get started with Varlamore if you haven't been over that way yet?

[eternal tree]

Do all of the varlamore quests, takes you around the area

[tawdry wren]

🦀🦀🦀🦀 crab boss info plz 🦀🦀🦀🦀

[misty temple]

Also could we get a right-click option on the whistle to choose which Quetzal spot we go to rather than defaulting to the Hunter Guild every time?

[remote bridge]

Sounds like a diary reward to me

[misty temple]

Sounds good to me.

[brazen harbor]

How many synapses should I buy in preparation for delve boss?

[unborn dome]

Dinhs bulwark is gonna be bis. Delve boss has door-bane weakness of 180%

[remote bridge]

Easter door stocks going up

[glad grove]

Will there be diary?

[runic hawk]

Will there be alternative uses for blessed bone shards coming other then prayer training?

[fiery pumice]

How many quests?

[mild owl]

will the quest be too hard for mobile only users or is it acessable to everyone?

[tiny leaf]

wooden stake can be used as a doorstop to keep the higher delve levels open, invest in mahogany planks

[solemn junco]

is delve a demon?

[tardy rune]

what will s maxhit be inside toa with max mage + confliction gauntlets?

[fickle linden]

I’m so dry at TD’s. Should I keep grinding to get 2 synapse?

[sullen chasm]

• moonlight antelope fur, can this have a use or can this be removed? It right now serves no purpose
• what is the incentive for moka long term, outside of chasing uniques? Are we going to have another dt2 where the drop tables outside of uniques are a mess? Or the other end where its dropping too much like muspah?
• where is the unlimited charge quetzal whistle?
• whats to prevent the fletching mini game from turning out just like mixology and being a chore to get through?
• will there be a better source of moon keys outside of huey?

[unborn dome]

At the very least, it was a demon since the demon bane crush wep that was pulled was intended to be bis

Who knows if that’s changed since pulling

[solemn walrus]

imagine if you need ropes to get deeper in delve and they are permament only after elite varlamore diary which comes in a year lol

[brazen harbor]

i hope so i’ve got a lot of money riding on it

[sullen chasm]

You can calc this

[tardy rune]

we dont know if theyre adding a 100% mage cap to shadow

or whether theyd hardcap it or softcap it

[frosty parcel]

Please can we have a capybara pet 👀

[unborn dome]

Also depends if they actually put the multiplier cap in the live game or not

[stable turtle]

Quetzin transmog avail?

[unborn dome]

Bc it’s currently not

[sullen chasm]

Even if when change anything with shadow that's not in scope right now

[zenith geode]

Will the boots or any of the delve boss rewards have a cosmetic kit for beating a harder challange?

[rustic tulip]

Can we get another way to get/plant grape seeds now that we have a whole vineyard and winery town?

[unborn dome]

I mean, it was polled to have the dmg multiplier cap and it was never implemented

So it’s a change, sure, but it’s also the expectation of the weapon

[whole wagon]

they did say in one of the blogs that there'll be multiple color variants of the boots to match with your gear

[glass belfry]

do i still need synapses for the new Delve Boss?

[verbal violet]

Will the loot from the Gemstone crab be a new viable way to train crafting?

[whole wagon]

the delve boss is a demon

[edgy wind]

Are Queen Zyanyi and Servius actually married? (or is the wiki making a big assumption just because they have a child together)

[zinc oasis]

Hippos?

[visual bear]

Aldarium and Huasca seeds sucks to get en masse for irons

Will the delve boss help alleviate this pain point?

Also dragon arrows are kinda in the same boat but not as bad.

Will the fletching minigame help alleviate this pain point?

[whole wagon]

i would be surprised if the delve boss DIDNT drop huasca seeds

as for the dragon arrows thing, they've answered it in the past, the point of the minigame isn't to introduce a new way to obtain dragon ammo

[visual bear]

Thanks for the reply but I was wondering if perhaps theyve changed their stance since then

[jovial cloud]

Will there be more critters? If not, what can I do to convince you to add more critters?

[whole wagon]

unlikely, but you can hope (@S)

[whole wagon]

there will definitely be more critters

[jovial cloud]

Bless.

[visual bear]

Hence why I asked here hoping the team would answer 😄

[whole wagon]

there's lemurs and toucans and hippos in the art

[jovial cloud]

Thank you I will now pre-order the expansion.

[wanton crag]

Diaries?

[coral lodge]

will there be new sources for sunfire splinters and huasca seeds/aldarium?

[zinc oasis]

So hippos in the art means hippos in the game?

[obsidian zealot]

will the clothes shop in fortis sell varlamore style clothes?

[whole wagon]

well, the alternative would be that they made hippo models only to use in promo art

[harsh star]

Can you make another trailer showing The Doom ? We need more hype for this !

[spiral dove]

Will Var p3 introduce more sources for Aldarium and maybe even husaca seeds as these are terribly to gather on an iron especially Aldarium

[mortal basin]

will Varlamore pt3 be full of bots

[fickle linden]

Do I need to keep grinding TD’s on my iron for delve? I’m 2k dry I can’t go on like this. Do I need one or two or can I quit?

[whole wagon]

the delve boss is a demon

how many synapses are needed, who knows

but I would be surprised if you needed all 3 synapse weapons

[fickle hamlet]

of course

[mortal basin]

yay... 😄

[spiral dove]

Id be pissed i still need a 2nd one to do my last contract lol

[tacit kernel]

Will mid level players be able to reach delve levels deep enough for a chance at all loot?

[cerulean belfry]

Will there be more use cases for all the hunter furs brought in with the Hunter Guild and Varlamore pt2? eg. PoH; Moonlight Rug, Sunlight Curtains, Couch? Cushioned Chair and/or Mid-game armour for 'Range Mage' or 'Mage Melee' hybrid instead of Melee Range we get from Mixed Hide. Armour that defends from Stranglewood rot but has low overall defence.

[narrow fox]

Could sunlight and moonlight antler bolts be made easier to get

[rich token]

How many clogs can we expect?

[warm zephyr]

Can you leak that shields might be good again? I need to merch this ely

[cerulean matrix]

Since many slayer monsters drop seeds, i also wouldn't be surprised if the highest levelled custodian stalker also has huasca seed as a rare drop instead of ranarr/snapdragon seeds (in special, if killed on task).

[bright flicker]

Will the crab boss have a pet? Perilous Moons didn't but Scurrius, which has a similar "training" niche, did.

[slow harness]

Will there be a required fletching level for the new fletching activity?

[cerulean matrix]

Ok, one more question

What about the west entrance of the hunter guild? Nowadays it is a dead end.

[next epoch]

I call cap, where is the proof for this

They said its inferno level

[spiral dove]

Since this is suppose to be an end game boss will end game weapons actually be BIS?

[serene garden]

why not just write a blog instead of having 10k people ask 10k questions, this is stupid

[spice coyote]

Will we be obtaining more Atlatl Darts per hour from the fletching activity than from Moons? I cba to keep going back there to restock them

[candid lark]

Any chance there will be content to introduce a bowfa skip? CG honestly blows and gatekeeps a mega ton of content from irons

[inner remnant]

Are you going to do more red tokens? 🔴

[analog scarab]

When will there be a quest connecting varlamore and kourend, we know lorewise it should happen especially with xeric meantioning his efforts to the south

[sweet rover]

The new fletching knife will work at wintertodt?

[harsh fossil]

Are we getting more quetzal flight locations?

[latent storm]

Will we be able to get new citizen clothing or house decorations

[late vigil]

will we be getting a frog costume varlamore recolour? blue frogs are rather lovely

[jagged forge]

are you guys still going to implement sailing because it should be repolled as a minigame

[vapid night]

yes and no

[tough crag]

thatd be neat, but m not seeing it included here
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Fletching_Activity_Rewards_-_Varlamore:_The_Final_Dawn

[scenic zinc]

Will there be a capybara we can pet in pt3?

[formal lichen]

How are hiscores for the delve boss going to work?

Would hate to see it shake out where farming the lowest delve only is best for ranks. I’d like to see a wave 8 clear hiscore personally

[summer thunder]

Is there a finale to the red coin series?

[verbal summit]

If you could compare the Delve Boss to any other boss in the game/outside of the game, what would you compare it to?

[thorny temple]

Can we expect anything cool with the College of Bards that should be within this new area?

[whole wagon]

Tempestus is not a part of this update unfortunately

[wind monolith]

In one of the varlamore blogs and/or survey you asked us about new produce like a chocolate crops and a spicy one... Are these new farm patches scrapped or are you going to pleasantly surprise us?

[coarse comet]

Can you share details on the new slayer dungeon? What slayer monsters will it feature beyond the new ones? Will it multi? Can we use a cannon?

[junior bobcat]

so 4 raid coming in varlamore ??

[upbeat arrow]

They did say they wanted to add a new raid next year (iirc), so maybe

[kind surge]

raid 4 is part of storyline in morytania

[rare wedge]

i dont have a question im just giga omega excited for varlamore part 3

[manic relic]

Do we got moon key teeth-halfs from the new dungeon? I have 20 loops halfs in the bank right now

[pseudo widget]

Can you give us a chance to get capybara and frog pet via some skilling activity on Varlamore?

[light badger]

Ge is a thing to lil bro, doesnt sound like ironman is for you

[hardy fog]

What slayer monsters are in the custodia dungeon?

[cursive kayak]

I hope for delve to be a little bit more diversified in terms of gear? Felt like yama was kinda stale in terms of what gear and weapons u used. Little room for anything other than shadow or synapse weapons, neither under or over

[cerulean matrix]

correcting point #4

I meant DARKMOON RAVINE here (someone just pointed me the correct name out of this thread). What's gonna be there? (currently inaccesible)

[merry ingot]

Will the sailing 99 master be at the dock in Varlemore? seems fitting as that place is huge

[candid lark]

I just do not enjoy CG. Wish there were alternate paths to skip. I can do my 1800 basilisk knights to get the jaw. I just think prep phase is too long

[crystal sun]

im very excited for the crab boss agility mechanics, hope It introduce more agility mechanics like the yama stepping stones

[tough crag]

id take a new boss that drops the seeds at 1.5x the non corrupted guantlet rate, boss looks fun but i dont wanna do the prep phase everytime

[candid lark]

Bingo, the boss fight IS fun. I would totally sacrifice drop rate for no (or reduced) prep phase

[left salmon]

Will the fletching knife by storable in the POH? Like the Imcando hammer and Amy's saw

[fickle linden]

okay so he's definitely a demon. thanks. guess i'll keep going for these synapse drops.

[plush tendon]

Can I solo this without having to be 0.1% of the osrs gamers, I hate group content.

[glass jay]

It's solo only.

[gilded root]

Will the Delve boss have a cosmetic kit challenge? Maybe white recolor for the Avernic Treads to match Radiant

[ornate inlet]

Will the new slayer area include a slayer master of any kind?

[narrow fox]

If you don't want to get bowfa use the eclipse set

[unborn dome]

Pls no

White boots with the white snow calves of radiant would be an eye sore

• white and black accent each other well

[rough oxide]

Do we have any idea of relevant drop rates from delve? Like will the eye be the premier drop, and others more rare?

[random topaz]

Will the final floor of delve be on the same level of difficulty as inferno? Also, more importantly, will there be more places that I can pet Renu?

[rough oxide]

Will any delve drops be guarantees at certain levels?

[sturdy hare]

Do you have any plans for moonlight antelope fur?

[fathom lotus]

What is the best examine text in the new update?

[blissful ermine]

Do you expect players to reach delve level 8 within a day? Hours?

[obsidian zealot]

does queen zyanyi's snake have a name?

[oblique seal]

Are we going to get more lore on the Dwarves of Cam Torum? We we received only a small amount of lore in Perilous moons and almost nothing with the release of Mistrock and Hueycoatl

[sacred ingot]

With this being the last major content addition to Varlmore, are there any plans for a Varlamore Achievement Diary and if so when?

[queen nimbus]

Any plans of adding a new "Zeah" slayer master in which all tasks they give can be found in Varlamore/Kourend etc.

[frozen hill]

Im surprised head piece from Moon key chest is not a collection log item.. Is it gonna stay this way?

[steady stump]

Any teasers for a final token search event like the red & nasty tokens 🔍

[sullen chasm]

All the tokens are already found the reward at the end is a red topaz

[torn thunder]

Can you replace the disease-free herb patch perk from the colosseum to something else and then move it to the Varlamore Diary when it comes?

[empty token]

Is there any plan to release the island city of Tempestus that shows up in some of the pre-release maps of Varlamore?

[narrow fox]

Not in part 3

[sage fable]

Not a question but I love moo deng. I wish moo deng was in the game and you could feed him. Thank you that is all

https://tenor.com/view/moo-deng-moo-deng-scream-moo-deng-angry-moo-deng-tantrum-gif-914287433564665477

[elder heath]

Varlamore has been big for breathing new life into "unusable" content (trash bones (libations), trash herbs (MM)), is there a plan to breathe new life into the extremely limited javelins with something like fletchable atlatls that use javelins?

[broken kite]

In Varlamore pt.3, is there going to be a new NPC I can give my Champion's cape & Max cape to create a Champion's max cape?

[teal arrow]

There will be a way to make atlatl darts with varla p3, but it wont be using javs.
Javs actually starting to see more of a use now that ranged have different types of ammo(heavy ammo in this case). It still needs love though

[teal arrow]

You suggestion has nothing to do with varlamore.
Neither cape is acquired there.
Also its already been stated that jagex wont do the Champs Max cape, their rule for making Max cape variants is that the item has to be a best in slot cape, which Champions cape isnt. Then there is capes like the fire cape which used to be a best in slot cape, so they wont remove older variants.

But gz on you acquiring both capes, you might also learn that we dont need an npc to combine our capes, that can just be done by using the capes on eachother!

[silk coral]

With the release of v3 I believe it would remove all the black square blocking the land from zeal to varlamore. So what would the required or cost, if any, would it take to cross into Valrlamore from zeah and vise visa

[primal basin]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Custodia_Pass

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Custodia_Mountains

[whole wagon]

the custodia mountain range lies between kourend and varlamore

custodia pass is likely how you pass through from one side to the other

[silk coral]

Ok that the name for that area but what would be required or cost to be allowed to use the Custodia Mountains. From the zeah side or from the varlamore

[whole wagon]

there will be a quest associated with custodia pass I believe

[acoustic herald]

What defense stat at the delve boss will be the lowest?

[whole wagon]

that's generally not information they give beforehand, you'll have to find out for yourself at release like everyone else

[light comet]

any chance of revisiting the str bonus on avernic treads to give 7 strength, instead of 6? Range/mage are getting such big boosts comparitively (4 shadow max hits, 3 or 2 tbow max hits). 7 strength would allow us to use full oath instead of the oath/torva helm combo currently.

[maiden lichen]

The boots are already more than strong enough if they give 0 additional maxhits to melee and mage

[whole wagon]

I think the whole point of not giving it 7 strength is so the next melee upgrade is more impactful, and the avernic treads are already super good as it is

[old mountain]

Will the gem crab boss be multi or solo?

[whole wagon]

the former

[old mountain]

solo?

[whole wagon]

[old mountain]

👍

[whole wagon]

the former means the first thing you said

which was multi

the purpose of the crab is to be a big crab people can smack together

[old mountain]

do you know

will it be like huey

where its just chilling there lol

[old mountain]

any specific reason why its a gem crab?

do we know what else it drops or is it only gems perhaps

[whole wagon]

gems specifically idk

we know it doesnt have a pet

[old mountain]

there is no shot

no way a crab boss of all things doesnt have a pet

???

[whole wagon]

they said it can appear in various locations, so like when you beat the crab, it respawns elsewhere in the jungle and you have to go it

[old mountain]

Ooooh

[whole wagon]

recently they said there will be a trail of smaller gem crabs leading to where it respawned I think?

[old mountain]

that sounds interesting okay

[whole wagon]

in an older blog they mentioned shortcuts in the jungle that let you get to the crab faster I think

[old mountain]

its like the wildy wyrm then

in rs3

[old mountain]

interesting

thanks for the info!

Also btw

Will the half tooth key moon piece be dropped from other monsters on varlamore?

currently u can get the other skilling key half from everywhere on varlamore

[whole wagon]

moon key rebalance was said to be planned for the summer sweep-up so we're awaiting part 2 of that to see the details

[old mountain]

but the pvm one only from like one specific location

[old mountain]

oh nice!

i dont mind the rarity that much. Tho it should def come from lets say lunar chest

😩

[austere wedge]

they gon have bad bitches in varlamore ?

[whole wagon]

hella

[teal arrow]

[crimson ferry]

Are there any unique trees that we'll be able to cut in the new Auburnvale area?

[unborn dome]

What gear has Nox had the most success with in play testing delve (jokes)

(but really)

[cobalt widget]

will you get resupplied per delve at new boss ?

[teal arrow]

Wouldnt that be weird? or are you talking about a small amount of supply?

"This boss is to test how far you can go, and you can repeat 8 as many times as you are capable" "Also here is infinity resources"

[cobalt widget]

not fully resupplied but some health replensihed at least prayer

i think they want u delve to level 8 sir and stay there for the longest time u can

[whole wagon]

I think you only get the loot when choosing to leave and you lose it if you die, so idk if that means there'll be no supply drops

[unborn dome]

I think they only things they confirmed are:
higher delves = better unique rate
Regular loot doesn’t scale at higher delves (which is crazy lol)
And potentially requiring a minimum of X level completion for Y reward

[whole wagon]

one of the blogs say you lose everything if you die

[sullen chasm]

We still know nothing about the regular loot. And if this is another piece of content with no staying power. Shits going to feel bad

[lilac saddle]

we do know that they said normal loot doesn't scale up with delve level

It’s worth noting that while the change to snag unique rewards increases as you progress, the quantities of basic-level loot do not. This means that you have more chances to get desirable loot, without being overloaded with general resources, as you delve deeper.
Source: https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Varlamore:_The_Final_Dawn_Quest,_Delve_Boss_%26_Slayer_Dungeon_Rewards#The_Delve_System

[obsidian zealot]

what holidays do people celebrate in varlamore?

[waxen nymph]

This please 🙏🏼

[unborn dome]

Also there’s still a big concern that delve 1-3 is going to be just a huge waste of time, since they were proposing a reward to literally skip them

“We want the end game content to be approachable for players of all levels” is what that feels like to me

Like the toa approach where you can still get uniques at 0RL

[forest wadi]

isnt that the point

to slow down the rate at which you can kill ayak and therefore reduce the rate that its uniques come into the game

[unborn dome]

Proposing an option to skip the first 3 delves with a common currency type drop just leads into the belief that it’s bad design

Like yeah, it should take time to do them because it does what you described

But it shouldn’t be to the point where they should even consider dropping a skip

[forest wadi]

i think its more of a like. if you can do doom efficiently then the first 1-3 is filler and you can use a resource from doom to skip it but to limit the uniques coming from doom for people who just throw themselves at it while learning those first 3 exist

[limpid kindle]

For Osto-Ayak, are runs going to be limited to 8 boss kills (delve levels 1-8), or can you kill them at delve level 8 multiple times?

[teal arrow]

They stated earlier that you can continue to do the 8th wave as long as you have supplys for it! Hopefully thats still true

[limpid kindle]

Thank you for your reply buddy

[old mountain]

I have a feeling blood fury will almost be required for long term fights then

Or they will be smart and have bare minimum melee fight parts

[teal arrow]

entirely depends on if its chip dmg or mechanically avoidable dmg

[whole wagon]

regardless of chip damage, it’ll be useful for longer trips assuming that you do actually use melee in the fight

I’m gonna guess that even if you can use melee, there’s gonna be nothing you can get big SGS specs off on

since ranged was basically unused at yama, i think it might get used here, in which case blowpipe specs would be the play

[forest wadi]

i mean the proposed bis drop from it was gonna be melee so i assume he will be melee at least partially

[whole wagon]

magic, not melee

[forest wadi]

huh?

i thought the bulwark was a double hit melee

with demon dr and demonbane

[whole wagon]

wouldnt really call it THE bis drop from the boss

[forest wadi]

sorry, diabolical aegis

[whole wagon]

the primary new bis was the cape

[forest wadi]

nono they said in pre-release that

[whole wagon]

then the necklace, then now the gauntlets

[forest wadi]

the aegis would be bis AT delve

which was a double hit crush melee

with dr and bane

(which is why ppl are speculatively merching inqisitor rn)

[whole wagon]

i'm not sure if they said specifically it would be best in slot

This weapon won’t just come in handy against Osto-Ayak itself – it’ll also be useful against Cerberus and the Abyssal Sire.

[forest wadi]

oh come on thats such a tongue in cheek way to say "yeah this is what you use here"

[whole wagon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[forest wadi]

"well TECHNICALLY its not best bc a vitur with bis all slots gets +1kc"

[whole wagon]

keep in mind they also compared the aegis to the venator bow, saying it would be more useful in the future

so idk i dont think it would've been BIS at the boss; with the demonward thing making you take less damage from demons i think it might've been more like a "noob" weapon

effective, but something cheaper that someone otherwise struggling at the boss would bring

[sullen chasm]

thats literally bad design. you should not feel like you have to skip part of something or want to skip, just to get to the enjoyable part

[forest wadi]

ok?

im confused we were talking ab why it was done not if its good or bad

awakeners orbs suck but they exist for a specific reason innit

[sullen chasm]

why a skip was done? probably because 1 - 3 are either tedious most likely reason or the loot is abhorently bad

adding a skip to a pseudo enrage type boss usually sends a flag of early parts of this aren't good for some reason or another

[forest wadi]

to slow down the rate that uniques come into the game from people learning the boss/doing the lower stages that are easier

[whole wagon]

I mean it's just gonna be normal loot no?

[forest wadi]

u dont have to like it or consider it good design but thats why it exists

[whole wagon]

they said the regular loot doesn't increase or decrease with delve level

[forest wadi]

if you could bang out delve 8 runs as fast as you could do a zulrah trip itd be pointless

[sullen chasm]

I mean thats just a weird assumption. AFAIK certain uniques arent even rolled until you complete certain delve levels I.e. Colo

[forest wadi]

yes

so you have to do delve 1-3 until you have a stockpile of currency

which reduces how many high delve kills you get per hour

thus reducing the rate of uniques

[sullen chasm]

thats just bad design

[forest wadi]

again you dont have to be a fan of the system but it has a very obvious reason to exist

bro

nobody is talking ab it but you 😭

[sullen chasm]

Bro, you're the only one here going "its to reduce uniques, so Jagex is hamstringing people to mass run 1-3s then do full sends"

which is abhorently stupid design

[forest wadi]

bc thats what its for!!

[sullen chasm]

[forest wadi]

it can suck it can be horrible design but thats why it exists

[sullen chasm]

it has no reason to exist like that? just let people play the game?

like its a strange concept I get it. people just playing the game, and not being hamstrung. but its a novel idea, and often works really well.

[forest wadi]

ask jagex why they want uniques being reduced i cant tell you that

my best guess is that because a lot of ayak's loot is bis (bis mage spec, bis mage hands, bis boots all classes) they want to artificially pump its rarity and value by making it slower to farm

they didnt rlly care for yama because everything he has is like

filling out your account and bank with stuff you will only use sometimes

[sullen chasm]

they have said literally nothing about skips, nothing if theyre tradable, or rare. other than they exist

[forest wadi]

we also dont know the rates, resists, health, area, quest

a lot of things really

[unborn dome]

Well they’ve already pulled them so that’s good lol

The issue I have with their concept is you have to have a, in my opinion, poorly designed encounter for them to even be worth encouraging

Also, assuming supplies and stats don’t reset between delves, buying the skips let you have more supplies for 8 repeats

Which is counter intuitive

Glad they’ve been pulled tho

[whole wagon]

i mean we know the area and quest

it's gonna be in the tlati archive in the tlati rainforest and you're gonna need to do the final dawn quest

[pale plinth]

Is this the final part of the Varlamore updates or will there eventually be part 4?

Honestly I'd like to know whats up with the 4th, gated off, passage in the Moons of Peril dungeon

[whole wagon]

there will be more updates to Varlamore in the future but there's not going to be another big expansion like a part 4

[plush verge]

Question 1. Are we going to learn more about the big purple puncture in the Proudspire obelisk?

Context: So when the quest Below Ice Mountain was released and we got to enter Camdozaal, I noticed there was a totally unexplained and unacknowledged GIANT GAPING PIT that no one seemed to be talking about. Well turns out that's the entrance to the Lassar Undercity and made one heck of a great Desert Treasure 2 segment.

Along those lines. There's a gorgeous obelisk on top of the proudspire that's inconvenient to get to but has vague importance to Varlamore's religion. And the side's been shattered and has a massive hole leaking something purple and sinister.

[whole wagon]

what's your question?

[plush verge]

Lol sorry editing it now, accidentally sent it early

[elder heath]

Will there be a land path between Kourend and Varlamore? WIll it have quest restrictions (like a DT2 stranglewood segment?)

[whole wagon]

I believe the path is through the Custodia Pass, and there is a quest associated with it

[elder heath]

ty

[plush verge]

Edited. 🙂

[elder heath]

fair chance we'll find out, pride before the fall (doom) and all that

[whole wagon]

I'm hoping we find out what's up with it in The Final Dawn (same with the Darkmoon Ravine too)

[plush verge]

Question 2. Will we learn more about the history of the Imcando dwarves?

Context: Imcando dwarves have been a mysterious part of OSRS lore ever since at least 2001, when we met Thurgo. In 2018, the Myths Guild library gave us the history of the Fall of Imcandoria, the great Imcando dwarf capital buried somewhere beneath Acheron, a frozen island in the far north. In 2021 we got to see their lost legacy Below Ice Mountain and meet another living Imcando dwarf: Ramarno. In 2023 we delved (lol) deeper into Camdozaal and witnessed firsthand just how awful the blackstone that felled Imcandoria can get. In 2024 we unlocked Cam Torum, a full, vibrant, and healthy Imcando settlement nestled in the center of Varlamore. This year in 2025 we're expecting to discover the rest of Varlamore and to sail freely around the globe, perhaps including the far north Isle of Garmr or even to legendary Acheron.

This year would be a PERFECT time to drop some more insight on the Imcando dwarves and the blackstone that decimated so many of their civilizations. But somehow Cam Torum was spared.

[whole wagon]

technically, it only decimated Imcandoria- it didn't affect Camdozaal

Blackstone artifact wipes out Imcandoria -> surviving dwarves flee to the mainland, some under the control of the blackstone, bringing it with them -> the artifact is recovered by Sliske who has experiments done on it in the Lassar Undercity, and the undercity is eventually sealed -> Imcando refugees are promised a home (Lassar) by Saradomin(ists), they just have to take it from Zarosian forces -> Imcando defeat the Zarosians and take the city, renaming it Camdozaal -> Some of the Imcando flee to Kourend and form Lovakengj -> Lovakengj dwarves flee to Varlamore at the beginning of Xeric's reign -> Cam Torum established

[plush verge]

Ohhh okay cool. The Lovakengj dwarves don't look like the other Imcandos, so I must have forgotten that bit. I also thought that the Undercity included the Imcando dwarves, given that Ketla indicated she shares serious responsibility for how the Undercity fell to the blackstone pillar after being sealed off. Not that the Imcando got there after all of that happened, they unsealed it, Ketla found her way down there, and either is talking about something else or has had her memories replaced to think she was responsible for that tragedy.

[trim crag]

Will the story line of Varlamore ever have any connection with other storylines? For example, The Strangler/Vardorvis are quite close to the kingdom of Varlamore, will perhaps the character comment on their adventure there and speak on the Mahjarrat? Or will the Varlamore story be mostly kept in its own world?

[whole wagon]

spoilers: ||Ketla was dead before we ever met her, Sliske was just impersonating her like he was with Kasonde, Persten, and the Assassin||

so the responsibility part of it ||"But there is no peace. I still hear their screams. I will never be free of what I did to them."|| is ||Sliske talking, but who knows if he's expressing his actual feelings about what he did here, or if he's just playing a character||

[whole wagon]

Remember in A Kingdom Divided, we eavsdrop on Xeric and Xamphur- Xeric says he’s going south (to Varlamore) and that he’ll meet Xamphur there

so the Kourend and Varlamore storylines should tie together at some point

[trim crag]

Good observation, its so hard to keep track of stuff since there's so many quests and such. Excited to see how that turns out, ty for reply

[glossy spear]

Will the delve boss drop the tooth half of the moon key?

[teal arrow]

We are about to get info on how they will improve that whole thing

[maiden lichen]

Why would they improve it, it’s fine as-is

The game should have more insanely rare cosmetics

[teal arrow]

That could also be improvement, just depends on how you look at it though

we are just waiting for the info atm

[ocean dock]

What runes will the new staff use?

[whole wagon]

can charge it with runes, demon tears, or passively gain charges by killing the delve boss with the staff in your inventory

[elder heath]

Are there leeches in the jungle, or did the anti leech lotion we've been dumping in the water supply destroy their population?

[sullen chasm]

eh. agree to disagree. rare is fine but a helm at 1/500 if you dont get the onyx at 1/5000 from a key that comes in two halves with the best source being huey at 1/150, and mining runite rocks at 1/250 for the loop or doing yews at 1/900 is legitimately shitty

[maiden lichen]

For completely cosmetic items it's more than fine, since you can always just not get it

Same with 3a, nobody is ever going to get all the 3a

Statistically

But people refuse to let other items be just as rare

For a game that is already statistically not 100%able I don't know why we draw the line at 3a and made things like jar of darkness and stale baguette more common

[sullen chasm]

the rates arent the issue though. its the fact that to even farm keys you are doing a pretty mediocre boss, or skilling yews or runite. realistically yews. because almost every other method is just as bad and runite rocks dont exist.

people want more sources, not nerfed rates

[maiden lichen]

Yeah I'm fine with delve having it or something, I just don't see a need to "improve it" if that means just making it outright easier to get keys

The answer on skilling is just to have more actually viable skilling instead of yews or whatever, and there are teaks and stuff

[visual crypt]

is the delve boss groupable or solo?

[whole wagon]

solo

[sullen chasm]

the skilling rates are deranged fwiw

[maiden lichen]

Not any more than the bossing rates

[sullen chasm]

eh, huey is atleast consistent and quick.
skilling you have rune rocks which GL with bots stranglewood fishing which is again GL its like one of the worst spots in the game. its slow as sin. which leaves you magics or yews

which again magics are slow, Yews are probably the consistent

[whole wagon]

if the moon helm really has to be so rare that not more than 100 people have it, that's kinda dumb but whatever, they can make it rarer while proportionally making the moon key pieces more common and from more sources

[manic relic]

Look, I just want my damned sunfire shards and I've got 20 loops from grinding calcified rocks and Fortis fishing

[queen nimbus]

Why is there no easily obtainable stab weapon for early/mid game? The reward for the new varlamore quest says it's going to be another slash weapon equivalent of Dscim, why we can't have a stab equivalent of Dscim?
Only stab option is D sword (locked behind wyrms at dumb droprate) Keris Partisan (not great outside TOA and KQ) and then zhasta, which an early/mid game won't be going for
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/New_melee_weapon

[queen nimbus]

that's 2 handed, I mean a 1 handed equivalent of dscim

[glass jay]

Ic

[whole wagon]

people brought this up when they revealed the new melee weapon, but they said for reasons it has to be slash

its been theorized the weapon is prince itzla's weapon which is definitely a slash weapon

pretty good stab bonus when you compare it to the d scimmy

which only has +8

[queen nimbus]

oh true I didn't think of that, so it would be useful to farm green dragons with that ( coupled with you could risk it as it's only 75k)

[jagged shadow]

I'm curious: Why do the Avernic Treads have a slightly worse stab defence than Primordial Boots while having better attack and defence stats than Primordial Boots, Pegasian Boots, and Eternal Boots in every other category?

[unborn dome]

Better question is why is melee getting 0 max hits pretty much everywhere but range is getting 2-3 on tbow, 1on bp, and a bunch of other weapons

And shadow is getting 3-4 max hits

But rly, the stab def prob just an inconsistency that went unnoticed

Not that it’d be particularly useful anywhere

[whole wagon]

I've said this before but almost certainly it's because avernic treads are good enough as it is, and not giving it more strength bonus means the next melee upgrade will be more impactful

[plush verge]

Yes exactly! I thought it was unclear whether spoiler 1 happened before or during the quest, but it had definitely happened by the time that particular section of the quest ended. But the responsibility stuff I interpreted as playing a character accurately, and that this is what the character really would have said and thought about their own actual actions. But I do now see it could also be sincere thoughts behind the mask, of the actor himself, coerced out by the ambient dark magic.

[whole wagon]

definitely long before the quest, there's no way Ketla would've survived a 100 years in the undercity. I don't think there's anything significant/related to the pillar that she COULD have done, we know she fled down into the undercity when the barbarians were attacking Camdozaal but at this point it's been a looong time since Sliske had the protects removed from the pillar, dooming the undercity.

Everyone down there is long dead, and we know the pillar isn't going as far as to reach the ruins of Camdozaal. If it is Ketla speaking here (as in what she would've said), the responsibility thing would have to be about the barbarians, like maybe she did something that ended up helping the barbarians (intentionally or not)

[unborn dome]

In 2027

Need 3 more str (or equivalent in bonus damage/prayer upgrade) on top of treads for the next impactful str threshold and I’d wager the next slot to be improved is likely gloves for melee. Which I’d be surprised to see an additional 3 str be added there

More inclined to believe the next str increase will be 2 again to follow suit with rancour and if so, puts us two upgrades away from the next meaningful one

Personally, I think 7 str instead of 6 on treads would be fine bc it wouldn’t give any notable max hits outside of void, where you’d finally hit 48 scythe, and would get us within [what I believe] is a more expected range for the next melee upgrade

[light comet]

so when are we getting this qna blog

slayer blog was supposed to be this week too

[light comet]

nvm rn

[sullen chasm]

The quantities of basic loot remain relatively consistent, however, which means that no matter how long you survive you won’t be overloaded with general resources.
any elaboration? what is basic loot? is the assumption no resource drops or low in amount?

[light comet]

pretty underwhelming faq blog ngl

[remote bridge]

I imagine demon tears are 'basic loot'

[visual bear]

thats how i felt too

[sullen chasm]

the blog tells us nothing other than what we already know. kind of confused what the point of it was

[light comet]

right

[visual bear]

confirms theres no diary i guess lol

[light comet]

only thing that was interesting/we didnt know was a quetzal in your poh or not

[teal arrow]

it answers the biggest asked questions from in here though?

[light comet]

we knew there'd be a achievement diary, but not rn. We knew tempestus wasnt coming for varlamore p3. we knew quests would be added

we knew delve is demonic. We knew it'd have a pet

like what

[sullen chasm]

what questions?
they were totally ambiguous about difficulty
diary not coming is expected
tempestus was also expected
pet was expected
Demonic was already confirmed

the loot is still concerning. basic loot tells me nothing. what is the staying power, what reason do I have to farm this boss if I get pet and clog.

[lone night]

I promise you I went through everything asked in here and on the Reddit thread and pulled out the most of what was being asked, some of it was probably known to some but clearly others wanted it stated more clearly 🙂 There's also things in there that weren't known!

[teal arrow]

considering we "knew" that achievment diaries werent coming (which we did know) it was the most asked questions in the discord about varla p3, so its nice getting written confirmation on it

General player base just wants to know different things than endgame pvm'ers

and more general players exist

[sullen chasm]

not faulting or throwing shade or anything of that nature. it just seems like a lot of this was already known is all, and more so people just not reading or paying attention so information was being rehashed again

[teal arrow]

Alot of the "knowledge" we have about varla p3, is from different jmods saying stuff on different platforms, thats very hard to find for the common player

[sullen chasm]

YouTube, Twitch Vods, Reddit are fairly hard to find?

[whole wagon]

yeah this was more so for people out of the loop who don't constantly pay attention to whats going on

[teal arrow]

alot is from a jmod popping into this discord, and answering someones question at a random time of day

that is indeed very hard to find for the common player

I feel im pretty active on here and reddit, and i was still shown a picture earlier today of mod sarnie saying on reddit that the summer sweep up is expected to drop later today (he commented on a post yesterday)

[whole wagon]

same, i hadnt seen that until today either

[rare swan]

Yeah just because you know personally those things deosnt mean the general playerbase does

[visual bear]

I guess I just set my expectations differently, from the post:

**What do you most want to know
**
Implies to me its not already "known" information

[rare swan]

Can we talk about the gem crab, 1 gem per drop so is it just like you get a single emerald from killing it lol

I guess it’s mainly designed as a vehicle for good AFK experience

It’ll be interesting to see what the rates are on for different gems you can get

[whole wagon]

to a lot of people, this wasnt "known" information

[visual bear]

thats a great example what I feel the FAQ could have answered better

like its pretty intuitive that the gem crab will drop a gem, but a good FAQ response in my opinion would have been "a red topza, opal or jade"

[teal arrow]

well it is just supposed to be an afk crab that you can group and be active with other at. probably gonna be like a 1/billion chance of an onyx

[rare swan]

Hell yeah ill do it for the onyx drop

[whole wagon]

i think people were just expecting more details than they actually usually give in advance

[rare swan]

1/million onyx 1/billion zenyte

[teal arrow]

nah we wont see zenyte here

[rare swan]

Let’s will it into existence

[visual bear]

thats why I put it in quotes, not everyone knows everything, but the FAQ I felt was mistargeted at reiterating things rather than focused on provided new answers

[whole wagon]

dunno, i think there's a good amount of new info here

[teal arrow]

The thing is, there is a lot of people that might know stuff we in here dont know. Its just impossible, and there is also a lot of questions asking stuff thats always been "this is more fun for us to discover on release" type of info

like of course we dont get drop tables, those dont even get released to us on release

they are usually released weeks in

[light comet]

tempestus, quests, delve being demonic, a pet over 50% of things in that blog a "casual" player would know. it's been in every single blog about varlamore dating back to january or whenever v1 of the rewards was polled...

[visual bear]

I feel like 90%+ of the answers were either "known" or were implied/guessable with 0% of the answers leading to "hype"

[whole wagon]

there's a relevant xkcd for this let me find it

[visual bear]

But for an FAQ about silicate chemistry i would not put the question and answer:

is this a branch of chemistry?

Answer: Yes!

thats where im getting at 😛

[teal arrow]

They did indeed not put a "Is this an oldschool runescape expansion?"

[lone night]

Yeah you're correct here, it's main purpose is the afk training 🙂

[rare swan]

Exactly lol. Half the players dont even realize varalmore is coming out next week. All that info is news to them

[visual bear]

True, it could have been worse I suppose lol

[teal arrow]

Am curious, what question were you specificly hoping to get answered?

[light comet]

if they havent read the past 5 blogs, why would they read this one?

im pretty sure anyone whos reading this one knows its being release next week at this point

[rare swan]

What? People dont care about content coming out in 4 months lol

1 week before and its actually salient

[light comet]

this was posted on the 10th of july...

[visual bear]

I was hoping to see more "new" information

[light comet]

aswell as updated today

[teal arrow]

Yeh but that cant happen unless you ask a question about something?

[whole wagon]

what kind of information were you hoping for them to share that they didnt?

[teal arrow]

I think most of the new information i saw people ask for, was for stuff we never get the answer to, because its supposed to be discovered on release

so was hoping for some specific question that wasnt that

[whole wagon]

idk, i've got clanmates that are discovering for the first time the delve boss is demonic from reading this blog

[rare swan]

Yeah i feel like people are not understanding how the average player works lol

The fact that it’s coming out next week is news to many

[teal arrow]

Man i do miss coming home from school and loggin on and suddenly there is a new skill called hunter in the game

[visual bear]

(1) will fletching minigame help alleviate d arrow tip problems for irons
(2) will delve boss alleviate huasca and aldarium problems for irons
(3) does gemstone crab help alleviate red topaz problems for irons

is what I personally care about

but again, I just felt there wasnt enough "new" information -- regardless if its not those specific 3 questions

[whole wagon]

#1 has been answered on discord, somewhere in here I believe https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1367804517030039643

[lone night]

Honestly if you have more questions I can try and answer, but all of those three questions didn't come in when we asked for Qs to answer

There's also obviously a lot of things we want to leave for you to discover for yourself

[teal arrow]

1: no, because this would have been polled, if they introduced that (so common knowledge)
2: Now that they started adding huasca seeds it could, but its also a droptable question, and we never get those unless its a new unique.
3: same as 2, but i will say both of those questions are fair questions, also most likely no, as its 1 gem per kill

[ornate dew]

could we please get some more information on the tiers of delve rewards? whats the BIG PRIZE?

[lone night]

I'd say no the crab doesn't alleviate topaz for Irons, the blog states that the top 16 can mine 1 gem from the crab, its focus isn't on loot

[rare swan]

Gotchya so sounds like just 1 gema and not like theyre noted

[whole wagon]

the delve boss dropping huasca seeds is a very safe guess, but aldarium probably not

[visual bear]

:pepehands:

[whole wagon]

is red topaz actually a problem for irons though? 1/8.5 from mining gem rocks, which are one of the best mining training methods

[lone night]

The big prizes are the rewards we polled 🙂 the boots, the eye of ayak and the gauntlets

[ornate dew]

thanks for the response blossom ❤️ i was particularly referencing to what wave tiers those drops are available 🙂 is one locked to wave 8? whats the earlier wave reward etc

[teal arrow]

I have a ton, idk i have never had a problem with them. But i also trained mining back when gem mining was good

[light comet]

i definetly seen a question about huasca seeds

[whole wagon]

it's still good afaik, not aware of any changes

[lone night]

Wasn't one I pulled out, maybe it came in after I did the gathering. I don't have an answer for this right now though I'm afraid

[visual bear]

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Why did the poll blog state Dragon tears instead of Demon tears to charge avernic treads? Typo?

[lone night]

Oh, then I duno haha it just didn't make the cut

omg

did I do it again

[teal arrow]

well more so in the fact that irons now also mine amethyst quite a lot or shooting stars

[lone night]

I keep calling them dragon tears aaa

[rare swan]

A demon dragon would be cool tho

[lone night]

Wait what blog does it say dragon?

POLL BLOG not this one

Can you tell it's nearly 5pm lol

[shut flicker]

The poll blog from march 28th

[rare swan]

This would be interesting to know too, can you get the rewards at all levels and they’re just really low or are some locked behind the last wave like colo

Idk if they can share that tho

[lone night]

Just me making dumb mistakes and them slipping through haha my bad

[rare swan]

Reminds me of aranea boots technically dropping from mini araxytes

[blissful ermine]

Have any of the jmods defeated delve to level 8?

[lone night]

I believe they're locked behind higher levels but I'd have to ask about sharing which ones

[shut flicker]

So confirmed no shapeshifter demon dragon

[visual bear]

not a huge problem, but gem crab would have been a perfect fix

[lone night]

well we have to test it!

[rare swan]

Thanks for the Q&A! Should be fun skilling things with the bow strings

[teal arrow]

Mod Blossom the deafeater of the delve confirmed

[solemn junco]

looking forward to it as well

[ocean lance]

Yes me too! I love fletching it's my favorite skill! 😊

[raw crane]

Has the boss been play tested and is level 8 beatable

[lone night]

Thoroughly playtested and you'll just have to try, won't you!

[steady stump]

Is their possible room after release to do functional changes to the skilling related items and the skill loop with the fletching minigame

[sullen chasm]

was Crafting bowstrings auto-adds them to your spool first, as long as it's in your inventory. ever confirmed? or just something lbeing looked at

[raw crane]

Thank you for answering my question, is the boss going to require 2 styles or 3 styles to kill it

[whole wagon]

that's something we'll find out at release, but I would guess it's not gonna require 3 styles

the whole point is to go for as long a trip as you can and needing a lot of gear switches would really limit inventory space

[narrow fox]

Maybe that's what the challenge comes from

[light comet]

is there going to be any cosmetic variant rewards in future? ayak/glove kit for example

or rather, is there a possibility

[whole wagon]

they said there will be cosmetics for the treads I think

[light comet]

they said 3 diff styles previously but then in a more recent blog said it wasnt feasible so it got scrapped no?

and that you could customize them

i was more so alluding to something like a fang kit, a cosmetic variant for clearing idk delve 8 i guess

[naive elk]

hey i think that question was for the mod

[whole wagon]

pretty sure they're not taking any more questions, they put up the Q&A blog earlier today 🙂

[whole wagon]

not sure, dunno if i saw that

[shut flicker]

Is Delve doable on my pure with enough practise?

[teal arrow]

on your pure? no
on Port Khazards pure? yes

[queen nimbus]

Is there any chance we will get Jaguar warrior armor? or maybe even eagle warrior armor?

[narrow fox]

Isnt that pretty much eclipse and blood moon armor

[whole wagon]

pretty much yeah

[queen nimbus]

cosmetic override for eclipse to look like this then

[hallow sorrel]

Love the Varlamore stuff but PLEASE stop spoiling boss reveals for the endgame stuff. why?? just give us a single image

dont ? showing off a boss before it even drops takes away the hype whats hard to understand about that

[teal arrow]

Dont watch the behind the scenes videos then?
Personally love it when they show this off, and we still have no idea what kind of fight it is.
Its not even uncommon for them to not even use the correct gear in these promotional videos, sometimes its the true gear and sometimes its fake gear, to get merchers

[glass jay]

yeah i love the teasers and little snippets

especially since we are less than a week from the update

[hallow sorrel]

you may like it because you just don't get it, not the way to hype up a boss. taking away the mystery before it even drops? I'm sure the gear and methods used will be wildly different than what we see in the trailer

[teal arrow]

Its the perfect way to hype up the boss, breadcrumbs in doses up to release is exactly how you hype up a product

[hallow sorrel]

we're in a place where the endgame is sorely lacking stuff to be hyped about, not the time to be sucking the hype out of bosses. Just feels like they're not treating it with the importance it should have if they understand the current issue with endgame content

[glass jay]

im curious as to what part of the videos you feel is sucking hype out or like, any specifics of how

[teal arrow]

There is a reason why you even see youtubers do titles like "you wont believe what i got from these medium clues" and the show off a greyed out pair of ranger boots in the thumbnail, it sells way better

[hallow sorrel]

As I said, give us one big art poster action shot of the boss, not a whole behind the scenes breakdown of it's development and intent behind the choices. save that for after it drops!

[sullen chasm]

dont you need to complain when CAs drop because something about zerkers cant do a random CA so my zuk helm

[teal arrow]

I doubt we will see a boss locked behind a defense requirement anymore. Its also why we see all future quests that give combat xp give lamps instead. Wouldnt be surprised if we even saw quests with defense requirements anymore, except if its because they use older quests that have it

[hallow sorrel]

now thats a ❓ because what lol

[hallow sorrel]

never talked about zerkers before

[unborn dome]

The Zulrah teaser in 2015 had characters using a dragon hally which wasn’t even possible. Tob teasers had people bowing and maging verzik, nether if which were ever good

• we already knew this was a crush designed boss with them clearly stating the pulled crush demonbane weapon would be strong against it and that this is an insect

Gotta take them for what they are, and not as guides

And if I’m remembering correctly, one of the inferno teasers showed the melee digging

All of which has been in the benefit of building hype for the release of each of those pieces of content

[hallow sorrel]

Do you have reading comprehension trouble? Where did I talk about methods being spoiled? I'm talking about the boss itself. There should not be reveals showing what the boss does or how it moves. It's common knowledge that they don't show meta methods in teasers or trailers. The mystery of how the boss acts, what it looks like in-game, how it moves etc are all part of the hype.

To me, it doesn't make sense why we'd get a behind the scenes look at the boss's development before it's even made it to the game. I get that the devs are eager to show us their work but let the players have some mystery before release.

[unborn dome]

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[hallow sorrel]

Endless reddit snark, listen buddy. YOU may think seeing the boss before it even releases builds hype, but everyone I know disagrees. It's a very shortsighted thing

[unborn dome]

Zulrah trailer showed poison clouds and tob trailer showed a lot of tob interactions

Curiosity builds hype

[hallow sorrel]

Does that make this method of reveal more correct?

[unborn dome]

They didn’t reveal how to deal with any mechanics more than they have in any other trailer

[hallow sorrel]

uh mystery builds curiosity more than outright revealing the boss and the design intent the devs had 😂 come on now

[unborn dome]

Reading comprehension clearly poor

[hallow sorrel]

yeah, for yourself

[unborn dome]

Critical thinking may be worse

[unborn dome]

.

Interaction proved otherwise

[hallow sorrel]

you are devoid of logic and say I have critical thinking problems, it's crazy

if they showed zuk you would have defended that "it makes me want to get to the end even more!" that was an incredible moment when woox got past the waves and zuk emerged

more revealed = less cool, less hype

mystery fuels curiosity

[unborn dome]

You saying tob wasn’t one of the most hyped and successful releases in OSRS?

Even though the teasers and trailers leading up to it showed mechanics, with no understanding of how they actually worked

[hallow sorrel]

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[unborn dome]

Bit odd

[hallow sorrel]

like I said, reading comprehension trouble

[unborn dome]

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[hallow sorrel]

bad opinion based on faulty logic

[unborn dome]

🤷🏽 angry at the world for an opinion you’re in the vast minority* on, and assert as fact. Not much can be done

Bet you’ll still be there on Wednesday, bub

[hallow sorrel]

Revealing mechanics, animations, appearance of bosses before players see them first is like starting a movie at the climax. It helps the casual players who won't get to the boss for years be hyped to grind maybe but for the players actually waiting to do the boss the surprise is ruined

[hallow sorrel]

reddit snark, that's all you have

[teal arrow]

Good old "All the people i know have this opinion" so judging from the general opinion is wrong? They seem to love the teasers

[hallow sorrel]

because the masses are usually smart and correct, right?

[hallow sorrel]

I've presented an argument, you can be purposely ignorant

[unborn dome]

Building hype for 80k people and lowering it for 10k is better than building hype for 10k and lowering it for 80k

🤷🏽

[teal arrow]

You have presented quite a bit of name calling against TM, with very vague arguments

but name calling is effective

[unborn dome]

You’re just batting your fist in the air

[hallow sorrel]

hype for 80k people to do what? eventually get to the boss years later? will the boss not be in the game for them to see anyway?

[hallow sorrel]

hey, someone has to call out bad decisions. I don't mind dealing with the dummies that will defend it along the way

[glass jay]

I enjoyed the BTS and am now more hyped.

[hallow sorrel]

irrelevant

[unborn dome]

You’re under the impression that they revealed anything of stature

Which they… haven’t

[glass jay]

Can confirm I'm excited to grind in order to get there in 17 years.

[unborn dome]

Nonetheless, you’ll be there Wednesday like anyone else who is remotely interested in the new content

[teal arrow]

When you are this dead set on not getting info before a release, you just shouldnt watch trailers/teasers/similar stuff, its on you tbh

[glass jay]

Idk anyone who gets more excited to go to the movies to watch something that hasn't seen a trailer vs one who has.

This is that, except a video game.

[hallow sorrel]

it's not about revealing a meta or a method, or anything that matters for effectively defeating the boss. It's about the hype around a new boss in the game, what it's like. the first impression and experience with a boss is extremely important. Especially for a group of players that are so hungry for endgame content. Every single piece of content in that category that releases is extremely scrutinized and evaluated.

[unborn dome]

You thinking knowing maiden spawning crabs in the teasers gave hints on how to effectively clear the boss?

Or verzik throwing autos p2

[hallow sorrel]

You're missing the point lmao, and also not comprehending what I'm saying. A raid is also not the same as a boss

[unborn dome]

A teaser is a teaser

[glass jay]

NGL also advocating that they shouldn't is potential for others to have less enjoyment since clearly people enjoyed the teasing. Having a lack of self control to not be able to wait 5 days is crazy to me.

[unborn dome]

There’s nothing you can take from the BTS; which acts really as nothing more than a teaser, that is going to help you take on the boss on release without knowledge of what the mechanics actually require you to do to deal with them

Any suggestion otherwise is poorly targeted outrage

Mad at the world

Good news is you’ve got a few more days to take some deep breaths and relax a little

[hallow sorrel]

There is a right and wrong way to do things. Some ways are more right than others. It's acceptable, and "fine". But not what it could be if it were done right, which would be not to show off what we expect to be spending hundreds of hours in before it releases. Not to show off the first phase of the first delve level knowing we'll be grinding that hundreds of times anyway. Just a bad decision to show off design choices before players have experienced the boss, let us wonder first then be given insight into the meaning behind the design

[glass jay]

what is the right way?

facts only, no opinions please provide the correct way to do a teaser

[unborn dome]

Opinions aren’t facts, so there’s that

Let’s start here

Based on what was shown in the trailer

How do you deal with the teased mechanics

And how can you be absolutely certain that’s the case

Yama had plenty of hype (missed the mark, but regardless) and they also showed teasers there

Since you’re not taking the tob teaser as a reasonable comparison *

[hallow sorrel]

If it's what they say it is (an endgame level, high end boss) it should be treated like it's sacred, because the desire to pvm starts from the top. Low-med level players look towards high end players and the bosses they fight to aspire to better skill levels, which is why the first impression and experience for endgame players matters so much.

The correct way to "tease" this boss would be to give us one piece of artwork of the boss fight, like we've seen with things like dt2/toa. That's if they decide to reveal the appearance of the boss at all. I think it should all be vivid descriptions and an artpiece of the outside of the lair. That's where you get insane wonder, mystery, curiosity, hype.

[glass jay]

We already had artwork and I enjoyed the teaser, now what.

[teal arrow]

Its more so a boss for multiple layers of players, sure the 8th delve lvl is supposed to be for late game players, but the starting levels arent

[glass jay]

This simply boils down to it wasn't your cup of tea and thats fine, but you chose (i think?) to watch the trailer.

[hallow sorrel]

To show us the boss room, the boss itself (I'm sure or at least I hope to God the boss evolves as the delve levels get further down) is such a mystery killer, it's like ok. I'm gonna be whacking this bug thing for the next 300 hours. woo

[glass jay]

If people don't want to indulge because they get more enjoyment, that's great. That doesn't extend to every person to ever play the game.

[unborn dome]

https://youtu.be/O4p6s5wA0Cg?si=cCXplbTbHGTvbm7Q

[hallow sorrel]

They said cb 120+/ infernal level players.

[unborn dome]

Think you may be misremembering toa pre-release

🤣🤣🤣

[teal arrow]

That is indeed for the end, the video you are complaining about suggested it started at lvl 100 combat

delve 1 and delve 8 most likely are gonna be very different in levels of difficulity

[hallow sorrel]

I don't mind ruining it for myself, it's not about myself, it's about the choice the devs make to reveal things like this. I think it's better to do it differently and I'm making my case for that. I don't agree that showing the boss, the boss lair, the intent behind the design, the ideas and meaning, etc. add to the hype or curiosity. I think it's just like you're spoiling the first impression. Just because other pieces of content have done that in the past and been successful doesn't mean it's the best way to do it. (I'm not even saying that it's entirely unacceptable, it's fine, but not what it could be)

[glass jay]

They literally satisfy both parties by releasing it though, what are you talking about.

People who don't like watching it because it kills hype for them, can just not watch it.
People who do enjoy watching it, can.

So like what are you saying, really?

[hallow sorrel]

Gross lol, another med-high level hybrid boss. Devs are so scared to cater to the players that actually give a shit enough to spend thousands of hours lol. Notice all the high end stuff has the most hype, inferno, colo, tob. People love it, but we get these fence sitting compromises as if med levels don't have 3 dozen bosses to choose from already

[hallow sorrel]

Does it not compute in your mind that if something is out there, it will be talked about, and therefore spoiled for others regardless of whether they watch it themselves or not? Do you think the only way people find out about what's in the trailer is by watching it?

[glass jay]

I literally turn off public, private, friends, clan chats, don't go on socials, etc for every new quest release ever since I got quest cape like 5 years ago.

I think if you can't figure it out, its on you.

[hallow sorrel]

Ok, well you're clearly a special case 😂 yeah buddy I'm the one that can't figure it out

maybe sit out this discussion

[glass jay]

I can recognize that some people don't do that but like what can someone possibly be saying that is ruining it for you?

[teal arrow]

Kinda feels like the game should continue to cater to the majority, who gets more hyped by trialers/teasers, and the people who dont want that should find out how they can avoid it.
Its just better business and more people are also happier

[glass jay]

"There is a ball animation!"

[teal arrow]

They really didnt reveal anything worthwhile

[glass jay]

I don't know if you saw, but you can clearly walk around the room. This is ruining my hype.

[hallow sorrel]

https://youtu.be/LwZLBDUqxhg?si=VVPL9c4YotggY_uO

[hallow sorrel]

The point is so far above your head lmao, just sit this one out lmao. mindless

[unborn dome]

Sir

Both videos were posted pre-release

The one I attached goes over their design principles with more actual in-raid teasers

Like money room and croc puzzle

Among other things

[glass jay]

and yet you stil havent provided info on what exactly is ruining this for you other than the fact it exists

[unborn dome]

You can’t pick and choose which video fits your opinion when both were done before the release and one directly goes against what your asking for - yet you used toa as an example of what to do

[hallow sorrel]

As I've said, the choice to release design intent blogs and explanations is not necessarily wrong. But you also forget that one is a raid, the other is a boss. That difference matters. My example was more of what I mean, if you're going to release a teaser for a boss, let it be something cinematic that doesn't actually reveal what you're walking into. That was a teaser done extremely well

[unborn dome]

Yes, but just above you used toa as an example of how to properly do it

But they released a video exactly as you are now describing of what not to do

How are you not seeing the contradiction

[hallow sorrel]

I was asked how you should do it, I said that it's not what it could be when they do it that way, but that it's still acceptable. It's better to do it like the second trailer I posted before release

It's not like the players that will look to these reveals will magically be able to do the boss as soon as it releases, so it still serves them and preserves the hype for endgame players

[unborn dome]

The trailer you posted came before the teaser/design insight video that also came before release

Are you saying the teaser is good, the latter is bad?

Because at least that’s consistent

The correct way to "tease" this boss would be to give us one piece of artwork of the boss fight, like we've seen with things like dt2/toa. That's if they decide to reveal the appearance of the boss at all. I think it should all be vivid descriptions and an artpiece of the outside of the lair. That's where you get insane wonder, mystery, curiosity, hype.

What’s not consistent is this comment. Because they clearly did MUCH more than just that for toa

Which either you missed or forgot about, either is fine

[hallow sorrel]

yours was posted on the 16th mine on the 22nd, I'm saying that the teaser I posted is the correct way to tease a boss if they're going to give a visual reveal at all. The best way imo would be to show where the boss resides, and pour more into describing the encounter rather than showing off the work before players have had a chance to experience it themselves first hand.

And no, you're just misunderstanding what I'm saying and running with it

[unborn dome]

It’s not misunderstanding what you’re saying, you either ignore the fact that the one video for toa exists or you’re ignorant to the fact that they revealed far more than just a piece of artwork “like* we’ve seen with things like dt2/toa”

You can’t say that revealing intention and partial tease of mechanics is bad for pre release hype and also say toa pre release hype was good

[hallow sorrel]

Jesus man. you really have trouble with comprehension actually.

[unborn dome]

When that is exactly what happened pre-release

[hallow sorrel]

toa is a raid, doom is a boss

[unborn dome]

Avg casual who thinks he’s end game I guess

🤷🏽

[hallow sorrel]

reddit rage bait, you're an unserious person

can't argue in good faith = braindead

[unborn dome]

You’ve yet to argue in good faith and default to insults when your opinion is challenged and your statements are corrected due to inaccuracies

[hallow sorrel]

challenged by what "you're a casual!!" what's the challenge to my argument there?

You can't even comprehend what I'm saying or keep your argument consistent with what you think mine is lmao

[unborn dome]

That teasing content interaction with little to no context clips is a great way to build hype

As seen with Zulrah, tob, inferno, Yama, and toa

Idk, you just seem to have a weird ego complex for zero

Irrelevant to end game community and inconsistent talking points

[hallow sorrel]

Toa is a raid, doom is a boss, for toa it's more acceptable, but arguably still not as good to reveal each room before players have had a chance to see it themselves. for doom, a boss, it's even less acceptable and not as good to "tease" it like this. There are much better ways imo, which I've laid out. Your argument has been "well tob did it this way, look at how successful tob is!" tob is a raid, and it's not about long term success, it's about first impressions and the dev's awareness of the endgame content predicament they're in. For actual "average casuals" those are hard concepts to grasp, which is why you're struggling so hard to follow.

[unborn dome]

Neither Yama nor Zulrah are raids

And teasers are teasers, regardless of the content

[hallow sorrel]

is zulrah endgame content?

[teal arrow]

zulrah was endgame content when it released

[hallow sorrel]

you'd probably think so

[unborn dome]

In fact, I’d argue it’s better to have less relevant details for raid type content than standalone bosses

[teal arrow]

it was the hardest thing in the game at that point

[unborn dome]

It was at time of release

[unborn dome]

5th player to get GM btw

[teal arrow]

endgame gets pushed back with new content being harder

[unborn dome]

(Not that gm is an accomplishment)

As you may think it is

[hallow sorrel]

talk about ego lmfao

ultimate hypocrite

[unborn dome]

You said I think Zulrah is end game, I just gave definitive proof that I don’t.

Nothing more 🤷🏽

Correcting someone isn’t ego

[hallow sorrel]

"5th gm btw"

[hallow sorrel]

Do you not get this is essentially what I'm saying lol

[unborn dome]

hasn’t logged in to re-complete gm since rat boss because no content release has been interesting

[hallow sorrel]

even more in line with my point

where is the disconnect here

[unborn dome]

I’m in the opposite of your opinion. You said it’s more acceptable to show deeper details for raids than standalone. I think the opposite

So doing it for toa, a raid, is no different to me than doing it for a standalone

[hallow sorrel]

my overarching point is that teasers should be basically no information just mystery hype. How have you missed that

[unborn dome]

We also differ there in that I don’t value information without context

And you think information to any degree is bad

Different opinions and that’s fine

Giant piss balloon at delve boss and some sort of shockwave that they’ve put in the last 15 content releases doesn’t give me anything of value

[hallow sorrel]

It's much less about what we individually think about it, the endgame is as you stated yourself, sorely in need of interesting, engaging content. We've both agreed that less information is better. That is my point.

Better for all the reasons I've stated

[unborn dome]

Yeah, we just differ in where our thresholds are for the amount of info that gets shared

Generally, I think some is better than none*, because it creates discussion and theory crafting

But too much is worse than too little

I don’t think they have too much with this vid

[hallow sorrel]

Some can be gained from a cinematic teaser, like the one I linked for toa. But yeah, we do differ there. I think there should be zero showing of the boss itself or the boss room for the best outcome. maximum mystery, maximum hype. It would just require the devs pour more time into creative descriptions of what to expect. Which in my opinion is more fun than just outright seeing the boss do it's thing.

Elements like theorycrafting are positive and helpful for hype, but I think that can still be achieved through descriptions and a very measured teaser.

[unborn dome]

I guess with Yama as an example, I think a standalone image of Yama in the room with no players and the glyphs showing is a good teaser. Because then you think “what are the glyphs, what do they do, Yama is 7x7 but clearly a demon” etc

Or a shorted, isolated clip of the meteor falling without showing the end result and a player in some meme gear

That type of stuff I think is good for a teaser

But I’m totally ok with ppl wanting less

Any more than that, you just need to be careful not to overreveal

[visual sapphire]

What in the random argument

[unborn dome]

[visual sapphire]

Didn’t expect TM to actually entertain this 🤣

Gz someone dislikes the video. Ok next?

[unborn dome]

Gotta do something with my workday ya feel lol

[visual sapphire]

Yeah I feel that

[hallow sorrel]

I think it was a good discussion. I hope a dev reads it, something to consider at least

[visual sapphire]

Passes the time

I don’t think they will tbh. Generating discussion through snippets is fine. Builds hype (maybe not for you and some folks) nonetheless

I didn’t watch it tbh as I don’t really care

[unborn dome]

Only watched it hoping to see a big bonk on the door

Wasted my time unfort

[visual sapphire]

Probably still going to be bugged on release so we shall test the content out after some hot fixes

[oblique seal]

In the video released today the mod discussing final dawn says that level 100 combat is recommended but in the original guide it says 80 combat, which is it? Was it scaled up?

[edgy wind]

Yeah, 100 combat rec puts it on par with dt2. Sins of the father (and night at the theatre) is the top of master tier currently at 95 and I really wouldn't have expected anything beyond that. I've only been preparing with the 80 combat rec mentioned at runefest in mind

[rare swan]

After seeing the BtS video, all excitement and zest for life drained out of me. I cancelled my membership, quit school, and now sit in my closet devoid of any meaning. Why oh why did they have to put in 20 seconds of the boss praying mage/range

[rare swan]

I watches the trailer. Now the light in my life has gone out. My therapist is looking for others affected by this to start a class action against jagex on behalf of all us affected everywhere. Hopefully with enough pressure we can get jagex to remove the video before any one else is hurt

(This is a joke Jagex this id a joke)

[teal arrow]

Unlucky

[rare swan]

I came here to ask about the crab boss, did not expect a whole forum on a video ruining the game for everyone lol

[rare swan]

Do you think the crab boss will be better xp than ammonite or sand crabs?

[teal arrow]

yeh, because it doesnt have hp, so there is no diminished hit whenever a crab has less hp left than your max hit

[rare swan]

Wondering if it’s just a more convenient alternative to those, or if it’s designed to rival the afk xp you get from fighting those blood moon npcs where you get free pots

[teal arrow]

oh it wont be, because you dont get free pots thats gonna let you use prayers and have boosted stats all the tiem

[rare swan]

I hope it’s accessible? Sand crabs are great as anyone can go do them

But itll probably be quest locked since it’s in varlamore im assuming

[teal arrow]

most likely just gonna require the varlamore entry quest and thats it

[sullen chasm]

debatable. a lot of the 100 combat recs were extremely easy. DT2 a lot of the nusiance with this was whisperer, or for some vardorvis. whight club was easy once you ignore the guide and just melee everything.

[oblique seal]

Alot of the combat recs are somewhat subjective, i’ve heard people complain about mm2 being the hardest quest ever (90 combat) but then Ds2 being extremely easy (100 combat)

But 100 does seem steep for a master quest is my main point

[sullen chasm]

well MM2 is a grandmaster, as is DS2.

I mean Sins of the Father is probably comprable and that recommended 95

my guess is they misspoke and its probably some where in the tier of like sins of the father

[lilac saddle]

I really do hope they take varlamore p3 as a chance to add another red salamander hunting spot

It's weird that there's literally only the one spot by the ourania altar

[whole wagon]

iirc one of the islands in the sailing alpha/beta has a new red salamander spot

[maiden lichen]

Yeah but that’s gonna be at least what, 75 or 80 sailing for the teleport focus? To use it in any useful way

[teal arrow]

Why would you need a teleport focus to the red salamanders? Its not like you gonna bank them, sail there catch them and drop them?

[maiden lichen]

Because taking the time to sail there makes the spot useless unless you can tele straight there is the point

It was not really close to anything

From a hunter rumor perspective at least

[teal arrow]

Yeh for hunter rumours, but they have also been used quite a lot to train on without hunter rumours, surely it would free up some spots

[oblique seal]

I know we’re less than a day out at this point but I couldn’t help but notice there’s been no mention of darkmoon ravine being opened on aldarin, will it be addressed in a future update?

[whole wagon]

that's more of a wait and see kinda thing, decent chance we end up going there in one of the new quests

[oblique seal]

Very true, just a few more hours now

[trail plover]

do we know if The Doom of Mokhaiotl is locked behind a quest or not

[oblique seal]

I think they said you have to finish final dawn

Which shouldn’t be an issue combat wise if you plan to fight doom

[hallow sorrel]

Does anyone know where to be for the new update?

[teal arrow]

It is locked behind the new master quest yes

[light badger]

do we know what that new alchemist ring from the custodia stalkers do? or will it be suprise for the morning?

[teal arrow]

Like where to stand in game for the quest to access the Doom?
Last quest ended with us talking to Servius, so it might be you have to speak with him to start the new quest.

[teal arrow]

Where is this ring mentioned?

[light badger]

in that dev vlog they released last week

the one where they showed gem crab first

https://youtu.be/AcPoXhflNeQ?si=pg0yBWt00azqbxWO&t=418

[teal arrow]

Ah, yeh there is no info on it as far as i can tell, its not mentioned in any of the blogs either

[light badger]

hmmm surely its something nice

[teal arrow]

from a medium tier creature? not sure how good it is, considering we didnt vote for it

[light badger]

yeee v tru

[teal arrow]

Ring of wealth for herbs?
dont know how strong something has to be to be polled

[crimson rune]

looks like it's just something you turn in for loot, probably at the mixology lab, judging from the update post just now

panic sell aldarium

[maiden axle]

can we rework orb phase?

it just isn't it. Theres 0 leeway, and with how the camera works, its just janky as hell

[tardy fox]

Is the fletching knife not remembering your make-all selection (Space) a bug or intended?

Or is it me using it to make an inventory of bows from scratch with the spool thats breaking it?

[queen nimbus]

what does this mean

[glass jay]

well, you're just no fun, friend.

[naive elk]

is pet impossible to get or something lol?? @lone night

hm pets have been seen

[whole wagon]

it can only appear on level 6 and deeper

ive seen a pic of the pet ingame so someone has gotten it

[naive elk]

where you see it

[whole wagon]

#game-update message

[naive elk]

my clan mate pulled 1 earlier and that's the only one i've seen from reddit/petcord ( 10 hours ago / only pet posted ) + that twitch streamer

i'd imagine more would've came into the game already, getting to wave 6 isn't entirely hard to do

[maiden axle]

most people cant get to 6 or 6+ because of how bad the orbs are tbf

so not hard to understand why not many pets havent been seen

[naive elk]

with how many people doing it, i would've thought more would have been seen atleast

guess not

yeah orbs are aids only thing i dislike about the boss

lol

[maiden axle]

incredibly bad mechanic in its current state

not sure how it passed QA

[naive elk]

idk how beta testers let this pass lmfao shits so buggy

[maiden axle]

i get to wave 7 pretty consistently and im not even good at the game

despite that, its incredibly incredibly bad

glad skill specs was tester and thought it was good 👍

[naive elk]

LOL.

[gritty jewel]

Yeah everything before wave 6 is pretty chill but then it ramps up like fucking crazy

Id say its a little above a leagues echo boss then it goes WHOOPS all Colo mods

It makes it a bit difficult to farm

[marble zinc]

I know this blog was already published, but would a dev be able to answer where the name, "Mokhaiotl," came from?

[whole wagon]

Much (if not all) of the names and words from the Old Ones language are based on the IRL Nahuatl language

[marble zinc]

Yeah, but in this instance it seemed like they specifically went with Mock-Eye-otl to reference eyespots and mimicry in insects.

Or it could mean something like False center of the world. The otl part is probably short for coatl and refers to the two tribes.

[whole wagon]

yeah ive seen someone else say that, bit of a stretch imo

[hot brook]

Are there any plans to add a pet for the Gemstone crab? I've been a lot of the community echo the same sentiment, the model looks great and the update has been received overwhelmingly positively, as instead of fostering crashing for optimal xp rates the crab instead invites chilling with the community in laid back training.

[teal arrow]

There is not, it also doesnt die btw so you couldnt even get 1 kc.
But they dont plan on giving it a pet, since its just an afk activity with a better view

[hot brook]

That's a shame: but I would heavily disagree with the reasoning that no KC = no pet, as this is not the case with just about any encounter where canonically the "boss" just escapes like Verzik, or it's just bullied enough to temporarily relent like Tempoross or Wintertodt.

But I can also accept that giving a pet to essentially an easy hold-over encounter does lower the bar for what is an acceptable "pet".

[gritty jewel]

They didnt give it a pet because its not the type of content that needs one. Its super AFK combat training.

[whole wagon]

NMZ pet when?

[mortal basin]

would it not be much harder for bot owners to run bots if they needed to register the account before being able to use the bond? or have them linked to a jagex account or maybe even a 2 step verification requirement for bonding

[oblique seal]

Varlamore soundtrack album when?

[elder heath]

who's responsible for the wonderful "varlajak-pointing-at-capystack" server banner?

[maiden axle]

not a question but please make treads drop at 6 or 7 instead of 4, and buff the rates at those new waves. Would solve a lot of inconsistency issues people are having

[teal arrow]

ah yes, gatekeeping them will solve a lot of peoples problems

[maiden axle]

it's not really gatekeeping. Treads are probably the strongest piece of gear in the entire game. Anyone can do w4's on repeat, doesn't matter the gear. It's just like shadow at low TOA invo and just about everyone had an issue with that

I've seen 10 boots in my cc, and not a single one of them was past wave 5. I've seen a single drop past wave 7 and it was the pet. That seems to be what others are experiencing as well

[teal arrow]

Of course, very few runs overall are getting completed at those lvls.
People out here comparing wave 7-8+ to the inferno lvl of content, just more repeatable.
The HLC complains that they dont get content for that thats truly hard. The problem is you can design content for them, but also locking gear behind it just isnt a good strategy, especially if you want the community to continue voting that content in, in the future.
Wave 4 has been completed 13½ times as many as wave 8(7½ times if you cant 8+), of course you are gonna see more people show of screenshots from that wave.
Delve is litterally the perfect boss to allow the good players to show of their skills, and still allow the general to have a chance (although smaller) of getting the gear.
If the content is only fun for you if you can gatekeep the gear to drive up the price and make a big buck, then you werent looking for the content, then you were just looking for an exclusive money maker.

I really do hope that they fix a lot of the issues with todays patch. Sadly i dont think the amount of players online will change, but i can see a clear difference in my amount of deaths comparing when i play peak times and non peak times.

Atleast you didnt ask for the cloth and staff to be moved aswell, i have seen that quite a bit.
For those 2, they are meant to help bridge the gap between Shadow and other charged staves, so making it harder to get just seems like introducing a fix, and then not allowing the players who need it to actually get it in a reasonably time before the shadow.

[plush verge]

Everything you said here is FASCINATING and I love it. Though I don’t know what an HLC is.

I especially like what you said about (paraphrasing) “If content is only fun for you if you get rare drops and make a big buck, then you aren’t looking for content. You’re just looking for money.”

I also especially like what you said about some gear being introduced as a point between other popular equipment. That’s a biiiiig problem I’ve had with the grotesque guardians for ages - the granite hammer unique from them is tier 50.

Who the heck has 75+ slayer, has fought GG enough to reliably get this weapon as a drop, and can still benefit from it literally at all? Yes we absolutely needed more stuff between eine and dragon, but a high slayer level task-only boss was NOT a good place for it. Cause making it hard to get sounds good, until you realize it doesn’t allow “the players who need it to actually get it in a reasonable time before” better gear.

The proposed golembane buff might help though. 🙂

[teal arrow]

There is and has always been a lot of problems with GGs
Making it golembane might finally give it a reason to exist yes

[elder heath]

@plush verge HLC = High Level Community

[old mountain]

Will tooth halves finally be dropped by other monsters aswel? Currently only the Doom boss drops them since P3 as far as i'm aware

[eternal tree]

they drop from other monsters as well; https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Tooth_half_of_key_(moon_key)

[old mountain]

only from varlamore p2 monsters

thats what i meant.

delve boss is p3 but it seems hes the only one dropping them

which is weird

[manic relic]

I was hoping that more monsters would drop it as well. I still have 20 loop halfs stored in my bank

[oblique seal]

What happens if the player attempts to cross into Varlamore from Kourend without children of the sun completed? Or attempts to cross into Kourend from Varlamore without Client of Kourend completed? Are there any funny dialogue or something?

[light comet]

this

hes absolutely right

one of my friends has about 6 drops who can do deep delves, has 100 deep delves and his highest wave drop is wave 5...

the amount of uniques at lower waves is nuts

clearly wave 8+ doesnt matter as much as it should, it's like toa on release when it was pointless to do over 300s until they made higher lvls matter more after week 2

[light comet]

also had a wave 4 boot myself with 600 deep kc

duno why colo dropr rates werent just followed (obviously assuming wont know till theyre released on wednesday)

they work great, dramatically increase at higher waves and really rare lower waves

no shot 8+ matters as much as it should

[teal arrow]

Thats just rng though

"Someone got unlucky while being good, please make sure that people less good cant get it"
I get some people want it increased, but god it all just sounds gatekeepy

From what we have seen the drops (and boots) are just insanely rare compared to what we just went from with yama

and some people will get spooned while others go dry, thats just the game

[maiden axle]

really not sure how it's gatekeeping to say that the content that was created to award better loot the better you are should have better rates the deeper you go and lower rates on the easier waves

[light comet]

its really not just rng, within my friend group which consists of about 8 ppl we've probably sen a total of about 15 treads and i'd guess about 2 of them came from wave 8+ lmao

every other pic ive seen of treads is wave 4

theres absolutely no way the deeper you go the rates increase dramatically as they should, like colo

[teal arrow]

Considering its impossible to complete wave 8 before wave 4, and there will always be a much higher number of lower completions. I cant see how its weird that theres more drops at lower delves.
If boots can be dropped at delve 4, and if there is 0 increase in drop chance as you increase in delve, it still means you are twice as likely to too boots if you farm 1-5 instead of 1-4
If the reason to lock them at a higher delve, and thereby decreasing the number of boots obtained by different players, is not to gatekeep, then what is it for?

[maiden axle]

to reward players who complete the harder part of the content. Not really sure how that's gatekeeping again

its like saying master clues gatekeep people who can only complete hards

doesnt make any sense

[teal arrow]

Majority of endgame players have been asking for hard content for years, something they can challenge themselves against, the delve mechanic shows thats for sure a possibility, delve 8 requires someone to be skilled, and pushing for more and more delves requires intense gameplay and perfection of the mechanics.
If you lock the rewards behind that, i cant see player backing on that content going forward.

It seems like a BIG ask to want jagex to develop gameplay that only a tiny part of the playbase can complete AND then lock huge upgrades behind this.
I agree that they have fucked up the rates, and it should be MUCH more rewarding for players pushing higher delves than what it is now. But locking the boots higher up just isnt the play, thats just gatekeeping

[light comet]

ok

glad u agree

lower waves should be nerfed like 20% and 8+ should be like 20% better imo

[teal arrow]

Now that i can agree on

Not that you remove the boots from delve 4

[maiden axle]

if it was a like 1/5k from delve 4 then I really wouldnt care

but thats cleary not the case

[light comet]

facts

my only boot drop is wave too 4

n im 600 deep kc

😭

[maiden axle]

or if it is, its a 1/5k from every wave which is dumb

[teal arrow]

my boots were from 5
im 2.2k delves in now

still no staff

dont think 1/5k would be the correct number, but tbh i dont think we get to decide numbers in any case

[old mountain]

To me they seem to all be a flat out 1/500

difference is just some dont drop on the early delves and that's it

(literally starts at delve 2 tho lol)

[soft reef]

what are the cave entrances and the dock/landing site under the colosseum

[whole wagon]

just some of the many unused locations in varlamore