wilderness needs love

[kind quiver]

and learned to pk

youll realize its nice

would change ur tune rq

[visual warren]

Especially with there being a singles variant and a multi variant

Risk a bit, get a small chance, risk more, get a better chance

I think that's very healthy

[split elm]

if there werent any uniques there, maybe

[visual warren]

Especially if it's completely optional content

You say that as if VW is a requirement to do anything

[split elm]

only if it was completely optional, no detriment to not going there

[visual warren]

It's good, don't get me wrong, but there's always plenty of alternatives to using vw

[kind quiver]

yeah like claws

its ina safe enviroment

for even you hcs to grind

[visual warren]

Or sometimes even defence draining items

[sour coyote]

As it stands u have to go kill the god bosses for the mage arena 2 cape and thats in multi. If youve done it on a hardcore, you know theres a thrill and a flex. Ive done it. If you want to keep those sort of achievements seperate go for it. Were talking about something different

[kind quiver]

love seeing when irons are ardy caped locked

[visual warren]

There's never going to be a scenario where it's like if I don't have VW I can't do x content

That's why it's imo a very good update

[kind quiver]

tbh the fact its even useful in pvm is crazy to me

lol

btu thats what makes it hold price so fk it

[visual warren]

You have 3 options:

• Don't risk it and don't get the item
• Risk a little and get small chance (single boss)
• Risk more and get better chance (multi boss)

That's not even saying anything about risking gp/items, just about the chance of getting killed

Cuz multi bosses u can get away with less gear

[kind quiver]

dapper you missed most of there biggest argument which was the pyschology of dying to a player

is much worse then dying to the pvm monster

@warped gulch right?

i mean @grok

[visual warren]

It is in the sense that you actually lose items, but there's ways to counter that (like all the fcs for callisto) and so many other things like better gear for singles

[split elm]

Imagine if it was this instead:
-Don't risk it and get tiny chance (boss outside of wildy)
-Risk a little and get small chance (single boss)
-Risk more and get better chance (multi boss)

[visual warren]

Would be fine by me, but it had to be significantly worse than inside of wildy

[kind quiver]

yeah

would have to be like pet rate almost

[split elm]

would be fine by me too

[kind quiver]

if outside wildy

like a d warhammer original rate or some shit

[plush canyon]

That’s fair

[kind quiver]

with how easy the wildy bosses are

also if that did happen

i would buff the rate

of the wildy versions

just to make the iron grind for safe vw is miserable

[sour coyote]

Runescape isnt only catered towards one player, and you shouldnt have a say where you dont play. Keeps others from having fun. Even when you dont understand something; shouldnt mean you have to vote no.

[plush canyon]

I don’t vote on polls more geared to skillers and irons because I’m not one, but their compelling nature to multi-log on a half dozen accounts to vote no on a pk update when it doesn’t even involve content they engage in is astounding.

[visual warren]

If they in the future would add a new boss for some new item and it would be the way you described kasperero i think it would be something like

1 = baseline

1 for outside of wildy
5 for singles
10 for multi

so 1/5000 outside -> 1/1000 singles-> 1/500 multi

Something along those lines

[kind quiver]

thsi would be sick

cause giving irons the option to do it for free

with shit rate

will actually make them go to wildy

[visual warren]

Yup

[sour coyote]

I mean on top of everything, why would an ironman be crying. Hardcores do it, they man up and play like a savage

[kind quiver]

a very classic business model

i like it

[split elm]

Runescape isnt only catered towards one player, and you should have a say where the updates affect you. Even when you dont understand something; shouldnt mean you have to vote yes. Dont add items/content you cant get elsewhere to bait people to engage with content that isnt fun.

[sour coyote]

I know

[kind quiver]

okay that first line is crazy

[plush canyon]

I’m for that type of setting

[kind quiver]

every update has been a shit shovel of feeding

for irons

[visual warren]

Because most of hcim know how/when to eat and learn how to freeze log (escape without falling over like a pleb)

[split elm]

sounds completely fine by me

[kind quiver]

even old irons

know how qol these updates are for the game mode

original iron compared to now

is night and day

from how many spoon shoveled updates there have been

[sour coyote]

Shouldnt have a say*

[kind quiver]

naw let them have a say but just give us a chance to have the say

[visual warren]

Oh and I think regular loot for not risking anything should be terrible as well

[kind quiver]

we dont get update to even vote on

its so dead

[visual warren]

Then singles should have decent loot and multi should shit out decent loot

[split elm]

"people who do not agree with me, shouldnt have a say"

fortunately this isnt how it works

[kind quiver]

bro we need to push for this

this idea can go so far

like to make non wildy version s with shit rate

its like thjje only piece missing

to make multi and isngles bosses better

[sour coyote]

Let me just edited it so you can understand clearly

O no its right

[split elm]

what would be even better
-less difference in unique chance between wildy and non wildy version
-larger difference in all other loot (more to wildy version)

[visual warren]

Nah it wouldn't

[sour coyote]

This guys is really on his own

[visual warren]

Nobody does a boss just for common loot

[kind quiver]

except current day vorkath

an anomaly

[visual warren]

I mean that's botted to death too

[kind quiver]

yup lol

[visual warren]

Don't think there's many legit players that do that for normal loot

[kind quiver]

fk it put vorkath in wildy

[visual warren]

lmao

[kind quiver]

pvp would be fun if there was a bot farm for the latin american people to attack

that we can kill after

imagine those keys

2m from the latin american and then tehy had 4 keys of vork bones

LOL

[visual warren]

Give clans access to bot nuke worlds and have them find all bots and kill all of them 😛

[kind quiver]

yeah lol

let the pvpers fix the botters

ahahahah

[visual warren]

PVP everywhere no safezones 😛

[cold scaffold]

introduce EP% like 2009 bh

[split elm]

vorkath copy in wildy with better loot?

its a pk update that doesnt hurt the other players as much (only devaluing vorkath drops somewhat)

legitimately one of the better suggestions thrown around so far

[kind quiver]

tbh all this could also be fixed if the pvp updates

were more focused on world45

aswell

[visual warren]

I agree

[kind quiver]

that way irons dont need to have a say

but unfort we dont even get those kind of updates

[split elm]

ye, also completely fine

[visual warren]

If w45 was ACTUALLY good and maybe even actually integrated into normal worlds

[cold scaffold]

yea w45 is hot trash even with the breach changes

[kind quiver]

yeah if world 45 wasnt actually comepletely seperate from the normal worlds

would actually make it better tbh

without even doing

[sour coyote]

The no item on death is gnarly

[kind quiver]

an actual update

[sour coyote]

Unless parched

[visual warren]

Make pvp worlds actually good

[kind quiver]

^

[sour coyote]

Aye

[visual warren]

Instead of it being just a place where you riskfight

[kind quiver]

yeah give me a poll on making pvp worlds good

and i wont even complain about irons anymore

[plush canyon]

Make PvP great again

[split elm]

an update i can get behind

its a pvp update instead of a pk one 😮

would you look at that

[kind quiver]

i mean

pvp worlds

is like all pking

so that point is moot

[sour coyote]

We say res he thinks blue

Red

[visual warren]

Yeah I don't get that statement unless you think pking is: kill pvmers

[kind quiver]

even if that is the case the best thing about pvp worlds and dmm

[sour coyote]

Hes trying to scale it to a metric

[kind quiver]

is the pvmers actually risk

and its worth killing them

lol

kaspero i feel is to stuck on that we like killing monk robers

[visual warren]

give like a 1.25% or 1.5% increase in droprate on pvp worlds

[kind quiver]

and confusing us with the vens

[visual warren]

Only at places that are non instanced

[split elm]

ye, mostly

you dont enter pvp worlds to do something else than fight others usually

[sour coyote]

I think lure is the term

[plush canyon]

Yes he’s seeing it through one perspective, which is influencing how he feels about the discussion

[sour coyote]

Yes

[split elm]

pot meet kettle

[visual warren]

I agree that's why I'm trying to establish what he means by pking

[cold scaffold]

again, not the case

[plush canyon]

Your second time saying that and still being off mark, because my points are not geared to hurt another community

[sour coyote]

Amen

[split elm]

they most certainly are

[split elm]

again, most certainly the case

[plush canyon]

Which community is being hurt?

[visual warren]

But like I said, 1.25x or 1.5x drop rates in pvp worlds when pvming whilst not being in instance wouldn't be too bad I think

[split elm]

i mean the number is too high but otherwise, why not

[visual warren]

I don't think 1.25x is too high, 1.5x maybe

[split elm]

i think 1.10 is on the high end

[visual warren]

I don't think so tbh, because you gotta take into account that ppl will most certainly downgrade gear

[split elm]

and instanced content needs to be taken into account

[visual warren]

Meaning less of a chance to get drops

Or rather less kc/h

[visual warren]

That's why I said exclude instanced content completely

[split elm]

ah i missed that, perfect

[split elm]

but the reason i think 1,25 is too high, is we want people who want to fight other players to go there, not people who just want the higher drop rates

people that like the thrill, not people who are looking to profit

'the pvp community'

[kind quiver]

kasp youre really missing it tho

the more pvmers

means more pvpers

its just how it is

thats just how this game is

[visual warren]

People wanting higher drop rates means more ppl going there means more pkers going there to kill them, means more pking between the pvpers

[kind quiver]

it isnt like a normal game with pvp

where pvpers only fight pvpers

its a pecking order

[split elm]

youre really missing it man

this means the current system is broken

and we need a rework/fix before adding content to wildy

[kind quiver]

its not broken

thats just how runesdcapes been

its why the pking in osrs is different

thasn other games

[split elm]

why do i keep hearing dead wildy then

[kind quiver]

@split elm becuase no wildyyy updates

only thing in wildyu

is vw

[split elm]

and why is this

[kind quiver]

as the mos recent updates

how old is void waker again ?

[split elm]

cmon man youre so close

[kind quiver]

hmm like 4 years now

[visual warren]

Because most players in wildy are bots cuz they dont feel butthurt they just gear back up and go out again

[kind quiver]

okay so yure saying we need a pvp update again that stealth comes in as a pvp only weapon

just for pvmers to realize they need it too

sure im down for that route aswell

atleast i was being transparent with my route lol

[split elm]

just dont add uniques only to wildy

[visual warren]

I honestly would feel much better about an update specifically for pvping only not pvming but those are much harder to do

Because with most solutions, there will be bots abusing the mechanics

[sour coyote]

Maybe just rework castle and vettion locations, or just around multi- its sort of barren around north east of lavas. maybe add like an abandoned camp or something. some more building with flgiths of stairs in multi

[kind quiver]

yah like if vls was able to use everywhere but the best way to use it

/ get it is pking

[visual warren]

Devaluing all of it

[kind quiver]

but u can pvm it

on a shit drop rate

[visual warren]

I also think they could condense the wilderness into a smaller area and doing just that would solve a lot

[split elm]

let people who want to pvp/pk do so

let people who dont want to not miss out

its not difficult to make everyone happy other than those who just want the easy pickings

[visual warren]

Get rid of the useless shit content nobody does

Make it a fairly condense area so everything will be packed into a small(ish) area

[split elm]

if there arent enough people to pvp pk without those that dont want to fight

there clearly arent enough people interested

[sour coyote]

they added rev caves and slayer caves- can also build another underground spot in wildy

more catered towards multi clans

[plush canyon]

I think it needs to stop being underground

[visual warren]

Yeah I think so too

[sour coyote]

yes lol maybe out near the coast with this "skill" coming into game

[visual warren]

Especially if you can't hop around underground (cough escape caves cough)

[sour coyote]

lol

[visual warren]

But I stand by it, make it a more condensed area and most of wildy will be more active

[split elm]

• what if u add an area in deep wildy, tough to escape
  -where there isnt pvm
  -but if you kill another player
  you get more loot in addition to the loot key?

could even add vls or something here if you add it someplace else outside of wildy

[sour coyote]

yes ultimatley the objective of this post 🙂@visual warren

[split elm]

make it in multi

[sour coyote]

i mean

[visual warren]

Like I said, this is gonna get abused

[plush canyon]

Could create farming like there was in BH days 76k glitching

Not good

[visual warren]

Bots will just link up and kill eachother and you're fucked

[thick whale]

This just incentivizes alts/bots killing each other

[visual warren]

Yup

[split elm]

only if they can make it out of there, no?

[sour coyote]

multi boxers...

[visual warren]

In theory (discounting bots/alting) could be a great thing

[sour coyote]

the human veng was a pretty good one

[visual warren]

But because of those 2 things, not viable

[split elm]

fair enough, if it doesnt work, it doesnt work

[kind quiver]

im down for a lot of things but i think the biggest gripe here is that @split elm doesnt like that there is a bottom of the food chain

and i like that aspect of pking in osrs

and so do alot of other pvpers

[plush canyon]

Too many worlds, if they applied this mechanic to a small area on select worlds, perhaps even select time periods, then maybe it could work without getting abused

[sour coyote]

hahah crodie

[kind quiver]

i mean it sounds like im joking

but i like u get giga terimnator pkers like westy pkers who are dece who kil worse pker

and then rag pkers who kill pvmers

i for one like thatt aspect

[sour coyote]

na its true, becasue then they vote no on wrathmaw 😦 man that was a good one

[visual warren]

could maybe even be some kind of capture the flag mechanic, with 1 flag, then a randomised spot u need to bring it to. then you get loot

Could MAYBE work

But probably also prone to bots

(only on select worlds)

[kind quiver]

like im down for pvp updates to be pkers and pkers but i also dont want the wildy to just die

[plush canyon]

Did you just describe a longer wilderness agility course

[sour coyote]

gets you a staf that canauto cast ancients AND venoms or burns

[kind quiver]

the aspect of being the raid boss to other players is also a fun aspect

that makes runescape runescape

[visual warren]

In a way, maybe, but that's condensed to 1 little area. I'm thinking of it being throughout all of wilderness (or maybe randomised parts of wilderness)

[split elm]

so you are one of those

well i mean if you dont mind other people not having fun in the game, as a result i kinda dont mind players like you not having fun in the game?

[kind quiver]

youre saying every person who pvm wildy hates it tho

so people enjoy anti-pking

[plush canyon]

Hmm interesting

[kind quiver]

or getting loot

thats crazy

its just u specifically that seems to hate

being killed

during a vetion trip

[split elm]

if it was just me specifically

we would be getting wilderness updates lets be real...

[visual warren]

Could be multi only / singles only too

[split elm]

were not getting them because were the majority babyyyyy

[kind quiver]

seems that way yeah

ironscape it is

🥱

btw the other reason it seems the pvp community is small is becasuse alot of them dont play atm

cause of all these no pvp updates sadly

[sour coyote]

Ill put my iron against yours. I here to change the narrative of endgame iron players. Im a runescaper in the end of the day. If you let your hp hit zero before me, i win. And if you have a problem with that, stay annoyed with the wilderness

I got the vw and i didnt bitch. I got mage arena 2 cape as a hc and i didnt bitch.

[open cedar]

Turn multi areas into single+5.

No more getting piled on by clans.
If you cant escape 5. It wasnt meant to be.

Single+5 for the players. Not the npc.

[past parcel]

Eyoooo this @sour coyote guy is speaking WILD facts rn!! 🔥 🔥

Give this man admin rights right NOW!

[magic moon]

I suggest to migrate on over to Permanent Deadman W45 if you want the good old wildy gameplay experience. It actually gets PvP updates (because it doesn’t require passing polls by 90%+ PvMers to pass) and has chivalry for sub 66def etc. etc.. 😉

[fluid vale]

it IS tempting

hidden miracle that they un-killed w45

[sour coyote]

o no its up there

[trail venture]

This is something i suggested before as well. Singles + 3. And have worlds specific to FFA multi. Would make the risk less risky but still encourage grouping. 3 people pileing per person is plenty. Anything more can be obtuse

[jaunty widget]

Jagex has not neglected wilderness.

Within the past 2 years, they've given us zombie pirates(multi), the rogues chests(multi), updated the agility course, made the slayer cave more profitable, released bounty hunter, etc.

They also made a few wildy related proposals that didn't pass polls, like wrathmaw and the fountain of rune letting you alc multiple items at the same time.

Point is, we get wildy updates all the time.

[jolly topaz]

I love being a loot piñata

[thick whale]

They dont respond well to actual insightful comments, just going to brush it off with "we need more pvmers to kill in multi"

[jolly topaz]

You ok sinbad?

[vapid notch]

i remember one time, a quest was released in rs2 and it involved going into a cave into the deep wilderness. there was a clan or group of clans camping (every world) at the entrance killing everybody trying to get into to cave for days. like this is the type of behavior that puts people of entering the wilderness. its inherently toxic. That said, that's the point of the wilderness to be filled with toxic players. so its really hard to balance that out. Perhaps a system where pkers protect regular players from other pkers for a fee. or have pking clans protect certain areas for exchange for a percentage of the loot or exp from regular player could work

[trail venture]

Maybe add a board to ferox for hiring players or clans for protection

[thick whale]

How would that even work?

[vapid notch]

there is a game called foxhole. it simulates ww1 between 2 factions that try to take over areas of the map. players can choose to either fight for control or help in logistics. was thinking about something like that. where the pkers are the fighters and the average players do the skilling activites that help pkers with resources to conquer more areas of the wilderness.

[rich seal]

if youre looking for clan vs clan doesn't adding more content make the problem worse?

adding another location to spread wildy activity thinner?

[sour coyote]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1390138762058797187

[trail venture]

Itd be a board tied to its own chatroom via the chat tab. Im not sure but it sounds cool

[thick whale]

I mean why would people actually hold their word, and how would they protect you in multi, or even singles

[silent lodge]

What is the suggestion here? You mention

• More new popular locations
• New structures around Multi

But what does this actually mean? Do you just want some empty buildings around multi? Another resource area? What kind of popular locations do you want? More skilling? another boss? what does it look like? So far it seems like this thread has gone way off track into just venting about the state of wilderness and advertising other threads while arguing with other players.

[urban ridge]

1.3k messages be like

I support jagex giving more love to pvp

hell no to wildy "pvp"

we're just gonna get more bot content

[fast aspen]

My crazy suggestion is removing some of the basic look from wildy and letting it only appear (if not boosted even) on exclusive wildy worlds where you won't have to pay fees either and people can go at each other constantly

More people at the same place and more loot for the people willing to risk it

And less of the mess we got rn generating gold like candy

[past parcel]

Maybe add the new items and gear people use to pk with into the pvp arena worlds, so everyone can get practice in before risking their set in the wildernis? Toxic halbert / bowfa / virtus / voidwaker ect?

[jaunty sleet]

find ways to make the wilderness more active, put new monsters there, put new activities there for skilling, add the scorpia buffs with the overload, things like that, that can make a food chain for the wilderness.

but to be honest, this thread will be no different than the pvp discord, and it will all have to pass polls, so i dont see anything ever happening with the wilderness

[trail venture]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1357458830962720939

[silent lodge]

Those are not suggestions, those are just "do stuff" and asking the devs to figure it out. If there isn't a suggestion from OP here about what those improvements actually are then I'll be closing the thread.

Everyone here is free to make their own thread if they have a suggestion for what the "new activities there for skilling" would actually be.

[jaunty sleet]

suggestions have been put into the pvp discord that was deleted, for years, maybe we should relook at that, there was tons of good suggestions there

restartign over the suggestions to just be put on the back burner on a new thread

eh no thanks

[silent lodge]

The state of the pvp discord has no relation to the thread here.

If you want to propose some of those ideas in your own thread that's fine. If you don't want to that's fine too.

[jaunty sleet]

thanks for your help pingu

[jaunty sleet]

i guess me mentioning scorpia did not meet your criteria for a suggestion?

or you only read my first sentence of my post

[silent lodge]

You not specifying the buffs and just wanting overloads isn't very convincing but more importantly this isn't your thread. If the OP doesn't have a suggestion then I'm closing it.

[jaunty sleet]

good work pingu

do it up brother

[past parcel]

Brother do be ASKING MAINEVENT!! Though. Gotta respect that

[kind quiver]

Good shit pingu close it up and sweep it under the rug just like the PvP discord

[past parcel]

Thanks for taking a moment and giving us some room to give you some ideas @silent lodge you also a real one for that 💯 thnx for ur time

[cold scaffold]

scorpia/chaos ele can use a rework for sure, it was proposed with rewards like blighted ovls but that never ever saw the light of day

[sour coyote]

I gave MY game suggestion in less than 6 clear sentences. I think you have a power trip to come in here and silence MY game suggestion. Freedom of speech without fear of consequence on any platform. Like discussed early in MY thread- you vote "no" when you dont understand. Just because you dont understand something, doesnt mean you have to fear it and vote no. Like you dont understand why this thread picked up so much traction, so you want to delete it? Maybe there is too much constructive criticism here for you to handle, and you should let some other mods take a look at this before you take action.

[sour coyote]

Man that chaos ele can really rag up at 50's castle mid fight, de gearing you as other teams are returning 50 ports

[cold scaffold]

remove the scorpion aggro outside the cave, give the boss more hp/less dmg so you can do more trips, offsprings have a chance to also drop blighted supps for longer trips

chaos ele chilling in the middle of multi is a bit outdated compared to the rest of the wilderness and their bosses, would be nice to give the boss distinct projectiles that can be negated if prayed against

[sour coyote]

Those two definitely need love.

It does feel really outdated

What does he have a 50 tile wander radius?

[stoic basin]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1390138762058797187

[vapid notch]

🤣

[vapid notch]

yeah its clear what your suggestion is. pingu comes out of no where. wtf?

[sour coyote]

Fr; ty @vapid notch really ikr?!

[vapid notch]

funny thing is threatening to close this thread is the most pker(toxic) thing you can do. bro trying to solo in multi on discord.😂

[sour coyote]

Literally we went over in thread. If this sort of content doesnt pertain to your gameplay style, then stay out of it.

We are here for wild qol

Wildy

[keen tusk]

editing the original post to include a summary of some of the more precise suggestion points made later on in the thread would help a lot for new people (esp. the mods) coming in I think

[sour coyote]

Thank you Cami. Ill see if theres a way to pin an update in a few, running some 500 kits

[past parcel]

My man 💪

Its time to unite the people of geilinor, both PVM and PVP. Like how the Rohirrim came to save Gondor at Minas tirith in the third Lotr movie " the return of the king " Deaaaaathhhh deaaaaathhhh deaaathhh - when the rohirrim charged in to swipe all those filthy orcses from Gondors gate. We must all unite in this endeavor together to defeat evil. OP @sour coyote has gives us some great tips and feedback to look in to, and for he has forspoken, will even update and make the statements he made even clearer than before. No more missunderstandings, no more orcs living in our forests. We all must unite here to destroy the ring and keep PVP alive. What does thy say about these proposals Jagex? Will thy choose to destroy the ring and cast it in the mountain of doom or will thy keep thy ring and not do any QOL updates. For there might be another evil to rise again from the corruption of the ring. Will you be Isildur? Or bite of the ring from gollums finger and destroy it? The choice is yours Gagex.

[thick whale]

You dont need to pin an update, just add an Edit onto the original post

[sour coyote]

that wilderness volcano is right there.. you make a point @past parcel in that area of the wilderness also in particular could use some aesthic rework or structural redesign.

[spiral dome]

2 things I can bring up
Based on every other game people come back when they “remaster” the game basically a cosmetic rework on things, with some chances to the environment a new boxes here a few walls there, creates more things multi clans can use to make plays during wars.

And 2 wilderness activities should be some of the best GP per hour since it’s also the most dangerous, but due to bots it’s become very mediocre. I don’t PVM in the wildy but for the wildy to become more active we need more PVMERs because it’s a food chain

PVMERs come to make BIS GP
noob pkers come to try and kill them
Better pkers try and kill the noob ones
Best pkers kill the better ones
It’s a cycle that will forever happen but for it to start we need BIS GP/hour for the PVMERS to come out

[rich seal]

you want 13mil/hr pvm content in wildy?

[open cedar]

That promotes clans camping the sites.

Whats to stop that from happening?

I still like that idea of the LMS storm damaging everyone when more then say 10 -15 are in an area

[grim plaza]

Ok wow, never did I expect to ever see a post do so well in such a short period of time. (By well, I mean the amount of responses. Typically they don't receive this much attention.)

[silent lodge]

It was not clear. A third of it was your history and how you play, another third was saying wildy is neglected. Your suggestion itself is just add more popular areas, new structures, and multi. These ideas need to be expanded with a lot more detail which is what I asked for here #1389986063262420994 message

No one has been silenced and I'm asking you to tell me more. What does "popular areas" mean to you? What would a new popular area be? What is a structure to you? Do you want more empty buildings for flavour around wildy? Do you want something like the Fountain of Rune?

Choosing to be argumentative instead of just telling me what your suggestion is does not support your position. #1389986063262420994 message As Grendallord mentioned here you can update your original post if you have more to add. I'll be happy to wait a while for your clarification.

[sour coyote]

i mean it split naturally the way it always does but my points remain here

innmatm

in nm atm

[silent lodge]

What are your points? The issue is they're too vague, you still havent clarified it. If you're busy right now thats fine you can update it later.

[cyan holly]

I very much agree with Pingu that there isn’t really a suggestion here at all

“Fix things and make them more appealing to me ty” is basically all you said in 5x as many words

[keen portal]

a bit late to the party, but that mage switch (4-5 invy slots worth 20k) will save ur ass in singles most of the time... and if u are anti-pking at calv for example, u can bring chainmace, spec wep, fero gloves (ur 3 items) with salve, neitiznot helm, dhide and climbing boots, then ur extra 20k "risk": rune cbow, bolts and veng sacks

no idea why u wouldnt bring a cheap freeze set because of extra risk, yet would rather die with the loot (say 400k) thats worth 20 freeze sets, but play how u want of course

[hollow canopy]

good info thanks

[keen portal]

yeah i have always thought its important to at least know the proper setup and then decide if u want to do it or not

in case u are going to try it, the 20k freeze gear is xeric top + bottom, water staff, ma1 cape and ~10 ice sacks, thats basically zero risk and it improves ur survivability like crazy

[brave bramble]

For the majority of casual players such as myself (those who enter at all anyway) the Wilderness is simply “where you go kill zombie pirates for bonds”. It’s not a real piece of content, it’s just a spot for some quick cash. I personally have like 15 spare sets of black dhide and climbing boots. While I find it kind of annoying to die, there’s not much point to fighting back besides trying to catch a freeze. Since there’s so much money for casuals and bots who risk basically nothing, the Wilderness isn’t a PvP zone, it’s a PK zone.

When the Wilderness was released in RS Classic and the best equipment was rune/dragon risking 150k, and fights often lasted minutes, people only really went there for the fun of fighting other players—a PvP zone. Now that fights are usually over in seconds—either the attacker catches a freeze and specs out the victim, or the victim logs out around a corner—players don’t often go for the thrill of the hunt, as it were.

Players who still want to have fun in PvP go to the GE on a PvP world. Players who want to make money—either from the cash-bloated content or the players/bots farming said content—go to the Wilderness.

[keen portal]

"Pvp vs pk" is a reddit thing tbh, and people rarely nh in pvp worlds, they are pretty much just risk fighting and/or veng pking while wildy is perfect for outlast nh fights

Thats not to say people dont go to the wildy to hunt bots and pvmers, but that the wildy also serves a purpose for these arguably popular nh fights that dont really work in pvp worlds

[brave bramble]

Honestly I wish there was a realistic PvP practice minigame with no risk, kind of like Emir’s Arena but you don’t bring full best in slot gear to every fight.