#Underground pass

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rotund breach
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Hey im doing the quest underground pass, and Im being told to kill the three knights in order to take their badge and progress. Surely not! They are just lads like me trying to sort the problem out. Any chance You can add dialogue where they voluntarily give their badges so you can finish the quest? I don't want to be out here shedding innocent blood. Thank you

spring karma
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If you pay attention to the lore of the quest you can see it makes a lot of sense and anything other than that would destroy the entire point of the quest progression, theming, and storytelling. Underground Pass is one of, if not the, best-told quests in the entire game

marble notch
rotund breach
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Alright, fair enough. I personally in good conscience cant do it, especially since myself in the literal am not being influenced to do such things so I will not continue.

pallid oak
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You are not responsible for their deaths. Iban is. That's the right way to look at it.

In the Icthlarins Little Helper quest, you get hypnotized, and forced to steal from pyramid, and then the whole town hates you for it. Similar concept.

uneven loom
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My dude... if you have a moral problem with killing the knights in this quest, wait until you see the next one.

Also you already murdered those innocent sheep for no good reason. Oopsie!

wheat saddle
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Being influenced by evil forces, unknowingly or unwillingly, is a staple

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distant prairie
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For regicide?

spring karma
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Sheep Herder isn't a prereq until ME1

wheat saddle
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Quests have been our player be impulsive idiots that will do almost anything asked

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Like Priest in Peril

midnight gust
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Facts… and rigging frog elections and whatnot…

uneven loom
steel swift
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Hahaha

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Kill them

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Kill them now

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You know you want to

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What good is a sword without a proper baptism in blood anyways?

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Just let go

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Let your darkest impulses guide your hand

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And become a faithful servant to our lord Iban

rotund breach
steel swift
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If it helps, those knights aren't real

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They're an illusion created by Iban to test you

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Also, didn't you kill the unicorn on your way there?

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Pretty sure you did

craggy plover
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I took so long to kill them they simply respawned
They'll get better

rotund breach
# steel swift Also, didn't you kill the unicorn on your way there?

Yeah mate I did. I'm sure you know there's a moral case that I did that in order to achieve the larger goal of saving the many lives from the invasion of Iban! To which you'll say, it's the same with those men. Then I'll say "But men and women are held in higher esteem than the animals! the reason being that they have free will, and therefore unlike the animals, have an important decision to either follow Christ or the world, whereas the animals are our responsibility to be cared for. Then we can get into the whole conversation of whether animals shall make it into heaven, to which I respond with the verse 'the lion shall lay with the lamb.' And I'm sure you'll counter with other moral conundrums on this point 🙂

And the fact @craggy plover has put up too, you are correct on this point, but a conviction is a conviction sir! Regardless of the fact they respawn, since it is a conviction on my heart not to kill them, I have not and will not go ahead with it.

But I thank you boys for the discussion. I do not know where you guys stand with Believing in God, but please take my God bless you at least as a gesture of me hoping for the best in both of your lives 🫡 😁

wind plaza
rotund breach
steel swift
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The same extends to pretty much all fictional media that isn't set in the real world

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I'm not really sure how you're able to watch/read/play anything without at least that much suspension of disbelief

midnight gust
wind plaza
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At some point you just gotta accept that we are absolutely not the good guy in this game

wraith ridge
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Considering how many things you do in this game that would be considered crimes by real-world standards, I don't see why you're worried about this insignificant thing.

nocturne quiver
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Typical Christian ideals using god to justify why murdering some things is ok but not other things. Rip the unicorn

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Christopher Columbus said the same thing as they slaughtered thousands of native Americans

steel swift
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"Dwarves" and "Elves" are slayer monsters

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I guess you could kill chaos dwarves, those guys are crazy

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But I don't think there's an evil equivalent for elves

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You literally commit genocide for XP

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It's so fucked up it wraps around to being hilarious

muted lance
steel swift
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He just inadvertantly gave people the black plague

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Because nobody knew what germs were back then

nocturne quiver
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Yeah what they teach you in school isn’t exactly true. Germs was only part of it. They would slaughter a lot of them also

muted lance
wind plaza
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Also Columbus wrote about kidnapping teenage girls in his journal

steel swift
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That sounds really extreme and fucked up

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And I honestly can't imagine anyone of sound mind doing that

nocturne quiver
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You have no idea. It was really bad bro

wind plaza
nocturne quiver
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And to say “they were at war with each other anyway so it’s ok” is a crazy way to justify it

wind plaza
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They had to collect gold or die even when there wasn't any gold in the area

steel swift
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How many guys did they even have?

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I'm pretty sure you'd need a straight-up army to do that

wind plaza
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They brought armies

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And killed millions

muted lance
nocturne quiver
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The European people were the actual savages

wind plaza
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Columbus purposely lied to the king about there being gold so he could return with an army

wind plaza
steel swift
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Spain is part of europe I'm pretty sure

muted lance
nocturne quiver
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The title of savage that they gave them was just another way to justify what they were doing.

wind plaza
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Oh when he said Europeans I assumed he meant specifically the British for some reason

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Ig my reading comprehension left me

steel swift
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Also, I don't think there were even millions of natives to begin with

wind plaza
steel swift
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Or millions on the planet in general

wind plaza
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Tens of millions of natives got killed

steel swift
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This is like, what? 16-17 hundreds?

wind plaza
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Looked it up supposedly about 56 million natives died

steel swift
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Who even kept the death toll?

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And how could they even accomplish that sort of body count pre-world war?

nocturne quiver
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They called them savages and justify it as ok to kill them because the Europeans are “Divined by gods will” Christopher Columbus was literally a monster in all actually

muted lance
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All 87 members of his crew

wind plaza
steel swift
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Even if they had an army, against 56 million natives? Even if a quarter of them were able-bodied men, they would've been slaughtered long before they hit the hundred-thousand mark

nocturne quiver
spring karma
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What does this have to do with Underground Pass

steel swift
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Idk the topic just came up

nocturne quiver
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Lmaoooo

wind plaza
steel swift
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Something something Jakey doesn't want to kill the knights in the underground pass 'cause they're chill and it's against his religion or something

nocturne quiver
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Yeah but killing unicorns is ok

steel swift
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And then someone brought up how you kill sapient races all the time for slayer

nocturne quiver
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Tbh bro should just play a different game

steel swift
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What game could he even play with that sort of mind set?

nocturne quiver
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Hello kitty island adventure

steel swift
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True

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Bejeweled?

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Is Plants vs. Zombies too violent?

fringe meadow
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Fellas get back on topic with the suggestion frog

nocturne quiver
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It’s a bad suggestion. We should just close the thread

fringe meadow
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I don't close suggestions just cause people think they're bad, that would just end up with me gatekeeping suggestions based on my personal interests.

muted lance
nocturne quiver
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Idk 12 thumbs down and 11 question marks. Hard to bounce back from that @fringe meadow

regal dirge
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I’ll add another thumb down to help lol

uneven loom
steel swift
uneven loom
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But also if you're so much of a legalist that you can't fictionally harm a small number of non-existent people...

*Does that mean you also don't use magic in the game?
*Do you refuse to play the MANY quests where you have to get somebody drunk?
*Are you also going to fuss about Conrad King?
*Do you only pray at the altars of a specific god? (And at that point, which one???)
*Why do you worship false gods, Jake? Saradomin himself is nothing like the God you claim to follow in real life, dude. Or have you just been walking around with your prayer at zero to protest the polytheism of this game?
*What's your Slayer level?
*Which gang did you join? Did you kill those innocent guards, or did you arrange for a friend to do your dirty work for you?
*Did you participate is a Guthixian ritual by providing sacrificed animals that would be used for their various pagan rites... or do you also have 0 herblore?
*Didn't you kill helpless mourner to get their robes in the quest before this one? How is that any different?
*Let's not even get started on the whole THIEVING skill.
*In the very next part of the underground pass, you basically kill Iban by way of a voodoo doll. I'd love to know what your plan is there.

I could keep going, but I think you get the picture. This game is NOT playable according to the type of morality you're talking about, unless you're either doing VERY LITTLE content (get used to it)... OR you're randomly choosing which morals to live by, in which case you're a hypocrite.

I say this as a Christian myself: don't be so obnoxious about your faith. It's not helping.

uneven loom
# steel swift He left.

In that case, the thread really should be closed, except I do have one loose end to tie up:

uneven loom
steel swift
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"What's your Slayer level?" got me- kekw

uneven loom
muted lance
steel swift
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Do hellhounds not count as dogs?

uneven loom
muted lance
steel swift
uneven loom
muted lance
muted lance
uneven loom
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It's never too late to call out the kind of crap you said here

uneven loom
steel swift
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That's fair.

uneven loom
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...but more to my point, I think its statistically impossible to train slayer to the point where you'd even be eligible for a hellhound task without having to first kill something either harmless or sentient.

steel swift
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Like Dwarves

uneven loom
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Exactly

steel swift
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You know, why isn't there a 'human' task?

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We basically have every other sentient race available for mass murder, why not the humans?

uneven loom
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I've said for a while there should be. AND there should be a "other players" wildy task.

steel swift
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"Other players" should be a boss task and I'd personally use the term "Rival Adventurers"

uneven loom