Keep clue timer

[foggy pebble]

1 hour timer has introduced so much cool interesting tech for solving clues, for example you get a wildy clue you don’t have to degear right away. You simple drop the clue and solve another then do all your wildy steps at once. A lot less tedious then degearing and regearing every wildy step. This is the most basic tech it has introduced I can give more examples of people want.

Was there tedious elements to the 1 hour before stackable clues for sure will there be afterwards if we keep the timer absolutely not.

At the very least up the timer from 2 mins to 10 or 15

[tender wing]

Seconded, I love clue juggling and hate the idea of this update with a passion

[foggy pebble]

I binned my 3-3 juggle last night ffs I should of just kept it till the update

[viscid garden]

I still have to read the news post. But clue juggling is incredibly annoying. Id rather stack them in bank and knock out 10 at a time instead of stobbing my grind

[reef pulsar]

i absolutely hate the 1 hour timer
it gives me fomo and i end up juggling clues even if i really dont want to do them

i like doing clues i just dont want to feel forced to keep rejuggling them every so often or otherwise have to do them immediately

[crystal wagon]

You get 2 clues stacked, after all upgrades and unlocks.. You get 5, with 0 intentions of every increasing that number

[cursive cedar]

having stackable clues doesn't force you to rejuggle. No reason we cant have both 1 hour timer and stackable to keep everyone happy.

[reef pulsar]

tbf good point idk why i didnt think about that
guess im indifferent rather than against then

[hallow tundra]

I get your point, and fully support them being stackable. But as skiller i don't mind the clue juggling, it allows me to complete medium clues. If I got enough imps banked i could even juggle/complete some hard clues. Some have even done master clues that way. With the current suggestions this will no longer be an option though. Which is a bummer.

[simple night]

Thank you for pointing this out! I feel like convos on clue timer can get off-track without remembering this.

[rancid lynx]

I 100% agree. They should make it better, not worse.

How does stackable clues with various requirements make this better today? Unlimited stacks and when you wish to do clues you have 60 min timer. Solves all problems, except for the osrs crew who thinks this is not the right way to go. But the majority who think this would be a good solution? Nah fk em.

[viscid garden]

Its mainly up to jmods and whats polled

[foggy pebble]

It’s a huge nerf to elites and master clues, it is actually still a buff to other tiers although hard clues will be a lot more tedious

[viscid garden]

If they dont even read this idea it wont be a thing

[hollow mica]

ya and can only stack 5 so u still gonna be forced to do clues before task is done sometimes

[foggy pebble]

The clog discord sent a feedback of what people with 1200 clogs thought they should do with stackable and 99% people said to keep juggle timer

[viscid garden]

Personally speaking, and probably how most people feel. I basically ignore clues unless im in the mood to do the ones i have banked because constantly stopping to run them or juggle them is absolutely inefficient

Especially if you're a main who raids and pks

[foggy pebble]

I don’t know about you but for me 5 clues isn’t enough like 1 wildy task I might get 12 hard clues

[viscid garden]

Exactly

[foggy pebble]

But mostly I want to keep the cool tech when solving clues it made me really fall in love with clues and it be a shame to see it go.

[viscid garden]

With my achievements done i get so many clues. So ignore > juggling

[rancid lynx]

Yeah, i just wish they would listen to the community and not just force their way

[simple night]

I think this is the biggest point, even if it was just 15 min instead of 1 hour, the clue solving techs are important.

It's not even an issue of juggling going away if it's only 2 minutes.

[foggy pebble]

I’m sure that 2 mins is a typo as it was 3 prior to the change*

[uneven gate]

Agree. I absolutely love the 1h timer for letting me stack clues during work and then solve it when I can log off. I would just log off if i cant do this

[foggy herald]

ban all irons

[uneven gate]

Its "optional" and if you dont want to keep clues you would just drop it regardless of the timer being 2 min or 1h

[raven salmon]

ues

yes

[sour cypress]

its great for people like you, because it caters to players that dont interact with clues (mostly), its a punch in the face for people that actively do 1000s of clues

[viscid garden]

Which is a majority/minority thing

[foggy pebble]

They keep niche techs for BA speed running which is way more niche then loving clues or being a big time clogger

[viscid garden]

Idk what to tell you if your 1 and only account is based on skilling

[crystal wagon]

the majority of people will then only be able to stack 2 clues, not exactly a huge upgrade

[simple night]

Even the majority will benefit from clue techs such as saving wildy steps for last. Especially if you won't need to juggle to stack up clues.

[viscid garden]

Well like i said i haven't even read the news post yet. Im just giving my 2 cents on clues and why people generally ignore them

[viscid garden]

I agree

[crystal wagon]

that is why I informed you before, you only get to stack up to 2 unless if you have done a ton of clues. in which case max is 5
they also say they are 100% sure on never ever increasing that number

so this update is a middle finger to you aswel, not just us clue lovers

[viscid garden]

Sounds to me like it mainly benefits those who participate, and isnt really a change for people like me. Im going to read it really quick.

[crystal wagon]

you have a read 👍
not sure who you mean when you say "those who participate though" could you clarify when you return?

[foggy herald]

reminder that runelite was never an intended feature/mechanic

[viscid garden]

See this to me sounds so extremely normal and fine lol

Almost like how it should've been from the beginning

[viscid garden]

Idk people who spend a chunk of their time juggling scrolls

[simple night]

This is not just about how many clues you can have whether through juggling or stacking.

It's also the loss of clue techs (such as saving the wildy regearing for last) if they shorten the timer so much. Which is why OP asks for at least 10-15 minutes.

[crystal wagon]

no we hate it 😂 we dont do 2 clues at a time, we do 20

[viscid garden]

Pretty sure thats the core problem that they are addressing

[crystal wagon]

it's not a problem though, it's a choice we make

I dont mind them limiting it, but it needs to be a number higher then the clues we get from 1 slayer task

[hollow mica]

yes at least 10

[foggy pebble]

@rocky arch mind I ask why your against the idea of keeping the clue timer or at the very least making it 10-15 mins to preserve the clue solving tech?

[viscid garden]

Being that clues aren't just a typical drop, im not against a 10-15 min timer. But the update they did a year ago making it 1 hour is obtuse lol

[rancid lynx]

juggling clues sure does sound like a massive problem, but for whom i'm not sure. What does it even affect at this point

[viscid garden]

I mean, juggling clues leads to distraction from the core game tbh. Fomo for those who cant or dont. More clues = clue items are less valuable. Based on jagexs response, its simply not healthy gameplay and wasn't the original intention of clues

[rancid lynx]

There are plenty of things jagex has changed since the beginning of rs. This seems to be one of those things were the jmods feel strongly about and do not care what the rest of us wants. They know if they voted for unlimited stacks it be a 92%++ pass, thats why they do not do it.

And seriously, less value? You got the be kidding me lol, who even buys the crap

[crystal wagon]

it doesn't even lead to that many more clues
it's just more convenient
you can actually afk and go get a drink with a few clues on the ground

Juggling is not broken, especially not for mains

[rancid lynx]

There should be a good motive not to do certain things, like xp rates which breaks the game integraty, i get those things i do. Stackable clues? I just don't get. Your raiding, having fun - Elite clue drop. Welp, sucks. Gotta do it or not do at all. Why? Why can't it stack for me so i can bop out 20 elites whenever i want?

Make it better, not worse

[viscid garden]

Blessed d hide is basically bis range gear until you can afford masori

Ranger gear for pures

Theres quite a few items that are used

[rancid lynx]

one of a kind

[viscid garden]

Holy sandals and wraps

[viscid garden]

Dont shoot the messenger pal im js

[crystal wagon]

what happened to hueycotle armor?

[rancid lynx]

If you are afraid of the gp /h doing clues, i think thats the whole problem at first place

If you had stackable clues you did bop more money /h even if it de-values some items

[crystal wagon]

clues are not about money, it's about clogs and fashionscape

[viscid garden]

Lol

[crystal wagon]

Now I do not know at what stage in the game you are
But I can promise you with all of my being that nobody is/should be doing elite clues for money making purposes
the average elite clue gives you 3 pennies and a pack of used gum (if you are lucky) whilst allot of good endgame moneymakers net you over 12m an hour with ease
new players that would have issues completing an elite clue could still do content with little or no requiremenets that could net them millions

[viscid garden]

Im aware. Unless you're ironman, this whole debate should be completely irrelevant. Regardless of how you feel, juggling clues was not the original intention. They did an update a year ago to pander to the sweatiest of players and help them out, which unintentionally lead to more people juggling clues. Its sort of silly to me as someone who plays the game for its content and not for larping lol

[crystal wagon]

prayer flicking was not intentional either, it was a bug that the sweatiest of players abused
the admins found it funny and let it remain as a feature

soooo, shall we remove that aswel? :p

I play the game for it's content too, which ofcourse includes greenlogging everything the game has to offer..that also includes clues naturally

[viscid garden]

No, because thats actually a core mechanism of how the game functions. It just so happens that players caught on to it. Clue scrolls are essentially side quests

And for the cloggers, newsflash... you'll never complete it

[crystal wagon]

it was a bug turned into a mechanic, just like clue juggling

side quests?
this is a mmorpg, you make your own journey. this game revolves about more than just tob

well duh, it's a never ending quest, you aren't supposed to complete it
it's about the journey not the destination

[sour cypress]

[flat mesa]

imo 1hr timer was never polled to begin with so it should definitely have been reverted long ago, though it could have been subsequently polled

(it was not)

Ideal to me is removing the 1hr back to 3 min and not adding stackable

[hallow tundra]

Why etube?

[flat mesa]

Why should it exist in the first place?

A fundamental change to clues that was completely unpolled and substantially changes the activity?

If you want to do a clue, do the clue, nothing is preventing you from doing that with a 3 min timer and no stackable

[hallow tundra]

valid, from my point of view being able to juggle the clue was very nice. It allowed me to do clues i would normally not be able to do cause i would not meet the requirements.

[flat mesa]

I don’t think that’s a positive thing tbh

If you don’t meet the reqs you don’t meet the reqs

I’ve dropped plenty of clues on an iron for example, like blue moon and huey hide and bryo staff

[hallow tundra]

Regular players would just grind it out of course. but i choose to main a skiller because that is what i enjoy doing, juggling/completing those clues was a nice feeling and helped diversify the things the game had to offer.

[crystal wagon]

it should have been polled, you right
but now that it has been in the game removing it would lead to potentional problems regarding how fair it is to players who haven't been able to do it yet
I would not be aposed to getting it polled though, as it in all fairity should have been polled from the get go

[flat mesa]

I would say that argument is the same as saying an exploit should be left in because people haven’t gotten to use it yet

Even Jagex said it should’ve been reverted

[crystal wagon]

like prayer flicking, that was also left in :p

[foggy pebble]

Jagex adds stuff unintentionally all the time that becomes very fun tech, this is like saying they should remove 4 to 1 olm because it wasn’t intended.

This post is about keeping the fun new clue solving tech that was only made viable via the timers.

I guess it’s more like thralls making it so the head doesn’t stall anymore during 4 to 1 but you should catch my drift

I have suggested making this timer only 10 to 15 mins instead to preserve the solving tech

[hollow mica]

doubt they will make it 10-15

[foggy pebble]

[hollow mica]

they are removing it bc ppl are complaining about juggling and they will still do it with 10min timer

[foggy pebble]

People complain about juggling clues to the bank and re juggling, Noone is complaining about the juggling tech

[crystal wagon]

they did it with the 3min timer, but then it was horribly clickintensive and truly sweaty
now it's chill and afk

[hollow mica]

says in newspost gettng complaints from ppl that hate clue juggling but feel like they have to do it to stay competitive

with 10-15 mins i think ppl will still feel forced to do it once u stack 5

[crystal wagon]

I'd panic and worry that I haven't re stacked them as of late XD
even on a 1h timer if I just need to pee I log out just to be safe 😂
with a 10min timer I'd probably just give up on my goal to get frontpage collection logs completed

[foggy pebble]

will people do it if they have 20 hellhounds left maybe sure, otherwise no

this is a buff to do hardclues even with a 3 min timer it just makes them alot more tedious to solve and less complex.

I feel like the issue with the feedback is people who don't enjoy clues but also didnt want to waste clues ( collection log) would end up putting off solving there clues . Doing so they end up building a big stack of clues at the bank that was unhealthy for there playstyle. I don't think there is an update we can give to please these people other then infintely stackable clues. I don't see anyone saying they don't enjoy the additional mechancics introduced by this tech. Most players don't even bother apart from maybe doing all there wildy steps at once. That being said why remove this fun interesting tech and make clues more dull? Personally I would perfer to keep the 1 hour timer but at the very least a 10 min timer would stop people from juggling clues as a way to gather more but keep the cool solving tech.

[oblique sinew]

Allow clues to stack to infinite 😎

[dawn turtle]

jagex giveth, jagex taketh away