#8 man GIM

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hazy blaze
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Alright.. I apologize in advance for this being long winded, but this is something my friends and I are passionate about and would LOVE to enter the game. My friend group has played together for forever. We have a solid friend group of 8 people that play RuneScape (some more than others) and we all have wanted to play HCGIM together. We've made a couple of HC gim's but they never last because it never includes our entire friend group. The most fun parts we found during our trying out HCGIM was tracking our rank and posting it in our friend group chat daily. Seeing our joint bank get that new item one of us got absolutely spooned on..... and last but not least, sending GWD trips together. We've explored options of making multiple groups and green helming it.. buts its just not the same. I'm not sure if there is any other friend groups out there that share this struggle, but how awesome would an 8 man HC GIM option be? My friends and I would be even more so excited about this than a new raid announcement... and that would give us the chub of a lifetime. hahahaha! Even as far as my favorite streamers. Theres so many exciting GIM groups happening right now. How awesome would it be to see more people involved in those teams? as well as when one of your team members inevitably gets burnt our for a season, it doesn't set the team extremely back because you have more teammates to play with. I believe 8 man GIM fits into the game as is PERFECTLY. I mean 8 man TOA is the max amount. 4 man TOB is the norm (2-4 man teams.) i mean the list goes on, and I'm probably not serving any justice to how great I believe in this idea.

flint trail
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as I stated in #game-questions when you first posted this, I don’t think this has any significant advantages over the existing 5 player gim system.

-a huge number of groups cannot consistently field 5 players, let alone 8

-groups who want 5 players typically end up recruiting online, which commonly leads to betrayals, scams, and breaches of trust

-many other groups currently start with 5 and quickly dwindle down to where only one or two players continue to be active (if the group doesn’t just die outright)

-if looking to implement ranked gim, a new high scores board would need to be created and/or the existing 5 man rankings need to be grandfathered into the new board

-most content that can be done by 8 players can already be done by two 4 man unranked gim groups. a point was brought up that GWD can’t be done by two gim groups simultaneously, but that’s the only content I imagine that won’t support a 2x4 group in the current system

reiterating that I think between the existing 5 man gim system and the upcoming project zanaris, I’d rather see any dev time put elsewhere

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for this idea to be relevant in contrast to the already available 5-man gim system, you’d need to justify content that specifically promotes having more than 5 gim players, with content that can only be done in that group and can’t already be done in a 2x4 (and a 2x4 is already an extreme case, most gims do not get this far)

hazy blaze
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fair. we agree to disagree. thanks for your input though. as far as your last point, im trying to explain how the fall off of some players more effects groups in the current options.. when you have 5 or less people and 1 stops playing or is behind.., your group feels it more.. if a player or two take a break in an 8 man. it keeps the group healthy and able to operate. I understand from all the responses that people have different experiences with groups falling apart or backstabbing. I know my friend group is different than most but it is what it is. we meet up irl annually and spend a week together (this year is June in Florida.) the truth of the mater is we wont try GIM again unless they've implemented this as an option.
no, it wont stop us from playing. we have mains and can still play together. this is merely something i know weve talked about now and would make us happy. thats it man lol. N While I see this wouldn't help you.. I also don't believe it would hurt you either. I see no reason you have to be so against it. Nothing more hype than the group chat every morning after our ranked climbed some more. or jumping in group storage and seeing the new item we got. We've tried all the suggestions you've already made (seperate groups unranked/and even ranked groups that excluded the less sweaty of the group) but at the end of the day its not the same. Maybe we have to wait for zanaris. If it costs what ive heard it would then why would I as a player not just want it in main game though? I know we wont see eye to eye here, but that just means this post isnt for you man. I can accept that,

flint trail
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it does indirectly hurt all of us because releasing content that most players do not play is a waste of dev hours. i’ve mentioned several times it isn’t about the amount of dev time, it’s about whether it’s worth it (and there is no way for us to know how much dev time jagex needs to do something like this)

you’d need data to show there is a significant interest from other players who want gim groups larger than 5

furthermore, all group activities currently in osrs are already designed for premade groups smaller than 8

hazy blaze
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the raides are all made perfectly for 8 to exist?

flint trail
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the 3 raids are designed to scale in group size, 8 was not a specific number that was targeted, but 4 or less is what people already stick to when forming tob/cox/nex/toa

exceptions exist for larger groups like masses or learner raids, of course

hazy blaze
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and i understand your point of more release delay. How much delay or focus do you believe this would cost?
i want yama/Moka/new raid as much as the next guy

hazy blaze
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do you have 0 understanding for this at all?

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like do you not see why a group would also enjoy this?

flint trail
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no one’s arguing whether or not there exists people who would enjoy this, but you can very easily see that most gims do not field 5 players, let alone 8, so you’re trying to appeal to an extremely small group of people

hazy blaze
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even if im not appealing to the masses

flint trail
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you may have noticed not a single person in #game-questions thinks 8 is worth going for when 5 already is asking a lot

hazy blaze
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yes. and not a single person not liking the idea is in an active group either

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i agree. this is for a smaller community. but its community nonetheless. does that make it less valuable?

flint trail
flint trail
hazy blaze
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let me ask this

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why does it make you feel so strongly to be so negative about it?

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when it would do little to effect you

flint trail
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this isn’t really about how I feel about it and you shouldn’t try to argue points from that PoV

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I’m pointing out why it isn’t worth the dev time

hazy blaze
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yet every point youve made already you came here to reiterate

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you want to make sure people see your reason for it being bad. spunds like its is definetlty about how you feel on the subject

flint trail
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yes, i did exactly that so that the discussions don’t get needlessly repeated in this thread when it was already exhausted at length in the other channel

hazy blaze
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you fail to answer one simple question

flint trail
hazy blaze
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can you not see why a large group would like this

flint trail
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i obviously agree with you that some people would enjoy this. i also think that total number of people is insignificant compared the how many would not care or utilize 8 man gim compared to 5 man gim

hazy blaze
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then just leave with a no and move on bro lol

flint trail
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i stated the number of groups who would utilize 8 people over 5 can be counted on one hand

hazy blaze
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i believe youre wrong on that

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but neither one of us could prive that right

flint trail
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thankfully it’s on you for the burden of proof since it’s your idea, isn’t it?

hazy blaze
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you free for a call?

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id rather just discuss with you man this typing back and forth is old

flint trail
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instead of discussing with me, why don’t you run some community polls or investigation so you can bring data to Jagex that your idea is worth implementing?

timid stone
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Larger gim teams would be nice. In a team of 8 you may not feel the burden if 1-3 dont log in regularly.
Like you do with a 1-5man team.

Pros/cons to it all.

Im green because team fell apart and we wanted active in the seat.

hazy blaze
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i agree man! sorry about your team bro

brave bolt
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What’s the extra work they’d have to put in?
Besides the banking and brackets?

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The banking system is cooked. I’ll give you that one. Each person having to wait to get in.
I don’t see outside that what would make the dev teams have to do much more?

opaque thicket
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This would be cool! I would love something like this to come in the game!

finite turret
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before 8 man GIM i want GIM houses you can actually share without hosting it

hidden bay
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Would love 8 man gim as a leagues flavour mode. Currently I think 5 man gim maingame is enough people. You can currently do all content in the game with your team. The downside to an 8 man gim is you can't do tob with all 8 at once.

hazy blaze
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houses is an awesome idea for sure

hazy blaze
opaque thicket
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oh yeah group iron houses would be cool.

brave bolt
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Lowkey didn’t think about houses lol

languid latch
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If it gets increased to 8, why not increase it to 10? and then why not let people of 16 players play together?
Sounds like you just want clanmanmode, with a big clan bank to store everything in.
I think that any number you chose would be the wrong number. 5 is a perfectly fine solution to end it at, otherwise just make it whatever maximum the game can handle

zinc cave
brave bolt
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A 8-10 man would be fire 🔥

crisp plinth
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Voting yes on this. Maybe increase the cap and have it customizable but no special hiscores

brave bolt
zinc cave
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Discord mods are not Jagex mods

crisp plinth
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Yeah I just agree but can't implement or anything

brave bolt
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I know, I was joking haha

hazy blaze
hazy blaze
opaque thicket
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Yeah increasing the size of the group would be fun. Doesn’t have to be ranked, but just something where you can get a group maybe as big as you wanted to see how far you can push a hardcore group before losing all the lives. I know the group of friends I play with have a variety of ways they play the game with and it would be fun to get us all in one group to see what we could accomplish as a team before losing all the lives.

I know not everyone would enjoy this and I totally get that, but if all it takes is to increase the cap on the group size what harm could it be? I don’t know what all goes into it logistically as far as dev development and all so I could be totally off in saying that. I believe it’s worth visiting though or having a poll for it somewhere to see who would want this.

hazy blaze
hazy blaze
hazy blaze
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love the other POV's on this

opaque thicket
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I still think this would be a fun idea. I can’t imagine that it would take much to expand the size of groups. What does it hurt?

last belfry
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There would hardly be enough people that can realistically benefit from this effort. As above people mentioned, even maintaining a 5-man gim is hard enough.

placid helm
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8man is so ideal for all raids tbh
8man toa
2x4man tob
8man cox for 4phase, low HP olm
Sounds good to me

hidden bay
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What group size gim is too big?

placid helm
hidden bay
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God that's so many mouths to feed 😭

placid helm
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If everyone pulled their weight in a group that large, they'd progress pretty quickly