Gravestones

[steady crest]

They were introduced when jagex was losing a war against some sweaty teenagers sat in their bedrooms, the servers are more stable now. Remove them.

Fed up of easyscape and meaningless deaths. The game was always balanced around risk and reward, now there’s no risk.

Either uncap it and make it 50% of the lost items’ value (EDIT: if claiming from death not running back to the gravestone) or remove them entirely.

EDIT2: following discussions on the thread, i concede that my earlier punishments were probably a little extreme given the nature of recent pvm releases so i think uncapped 1-5% of gear value would be more reasonable

[cunning osprey]

good luck to everyone getting blorva , going to cost you 500m per death 👍🏿

[wooden urchin]

People will never agree to this anymore, game is overrun by new players who started after removal of unsafe deaths. I agree though, safe deaths remove a lot of the thrill and everything just melts in to same boring grind.

[steady crest]

Time to weed out the real gamers 🤷🏼‍♂️

[steady crest]

Yeah, i can barely log onto any of my accounts but my hc anymore cause the game’s just so dry when deaths are meaningless

[wooden urchin]

Removal of unsafe deaths was supposed to be temporary anyway but ppl got used to it and started crying because they can't camp any boss in max gear 🙂

[steady crest]

Yeah, everyone just wants an easy game these days. That’s why there’s so many suggestions for more wt-esque content/afk content 😴

[magic fossil]

I think the current system with the tombstone storage is a bit redicilous, wouldn't mind then changing thatb

[steady crest]

Ooh, 3 downvotes, found the people who die everytime they try pvm 👀

[lunar thunder]

Nah, I just wanna keep my stuff cheaper because it's less of a hassle to spend less gp (and therefore have to make less)

simple as

[cunning osprey]

i mean no shit people want to use the gear they spent hundreds of hours getting to do bosses. this suggestion in the current economy is just silly

it aint gonna make any part of the game better, it just leads to people doing content slower with less gear or playing like a HCIM who only does content with safe deaths

no player who actually does late game pvming / bossing regularly would want this

if people want high risk then play hcim or uim and actually do the dangerous bosses

[steady crest]

This suggestion would benefit the current economy and slow the untameable inflation

Also, i do late game pvm, on a hcim and main, i want this

Just die less 🤷🏼‍♂️

[cunning osprey]

hcim name?

because im pretty sure last week you were saying you dont do content like that

[steady crest]

Ah tob and colloseum are the only endgame content? Interesting

My bad, i don’t do endgame content then

[mild igloo]

you should see what people consider midgame

it's so funny

[cunning osprey]

hence why im asking for the name lol , if you're doing a bunch of DT2 bosses or phosani on the hardcore without dying then sure i can see why you might hold this opinion

but right now it just sounds like someone who doesnt do the hardest content asking for death fees to go from 500k to 500m

[steady crest]

Yeah i’ve seen some people say barrows gloves are midgame and others say cox is midgame

[steady crest]

I’ve not done awakened or phosani

[cunning osprey]

not saying awakened , im saying normal bosses for rings/axe

or what are we calling late game bosses?

[cunning osprey]

it shifts every year 😂

people call CG mid game content now

[steady crest]

On main i’ve done dt2 bosses etc, hc cg is the most i’ve done so far

Need to get a bowfa before i push further

[quick tangle]

imagine doing inferno/Col, going for grandmaster CAs with black d'hide cause you don't want to risk 500m on a death, this makes no sense nowadays, if you want the thrill play HC and drop all your loot on the ground without picking it up and be done with it

Do you really think that most casual players (which i tend to believe are a biggest part of the community in counterpart to the sweaty-ass gamers with no life) would be able to grind for countless hours to get the gp to enjoy endgame to just lose everything in one death? (being it due to connectivity issues or even a mistake on a raid) nowadays the removal of gravestones are not practical

[tame wasp]

There are so many more rare and expensive items now than there ever were under the old dangerous death situation

Then again, I'm pretty sure this guy is just trolling

This game is too easy
ToB and Colo are too hard for me

[magic fossil]

he's a game suggestions boomer goblin for sure

the old death mechanics were from the time when the game was more similar to rust/dayz, where you could get back bis gear in a day easilly

[cloud sigil]

having to pay more money for dying is not an engaging gameplay mechanic nor does it make pvm more interesting

[celest barn]

There is no way this suggestion would pass. It would just piss people off

[tame wasp]

On the contrary, the fact that we can have difficult encounters that people aren't terrified to try allows for far more interesting PvM content to be made

[magic fossil]

yeah, and any mmo or game that tries to be super hardcore ends up dying fast, runescape was successful in the start because it was super easy and accessable

[tame wasp]

PvM is interesting when you can do PvM instead of having to grind for hundreds of hours to re-acquire the gear that you lost when you died

[celest barn]

Yup

If death was that risky, I’d sell all my gear and just do full time merching

But that would be boring and I’d probably just quit

[tame wasp]

I still remember losing a set of armor while doing lost tribe as a kid because I went into the cave without a light source :(

[eternal olive]

Problem is we are too deep in for the death system to be changed this much.

Or well, reverted back

It's been like what? Over a decade now?

[grave maple]

This has gotta be a bait post right?

Theres 0 chance anyone would do pvm if you lose all your gear when you die learning new content or whatever

[celest barn]

You’d think it is but I get the feeling OP is being serious

It’s just another ridiculous suggestions that OP didn’t think much of before making the post

[cunning osprey]

its why i didnt bother discussing it any further

bro really said just die less when never doing the hard content

[celest barn]

So true

Talking logic with an illogical person is a waste of time

[magic fossil]

it's the same guy that made a "just stop sailing" thread earlier where the entire premise of his argument that anyone commenting on the thread is supposed to prove that sailing needs to be added, and failiure to prove it proves that sailing needs to not be added

[celest barn]

[sage axle]

how are you supposed to learn pvm without attempts

[celest barn]

"just be good and don't die"

[sage axle]

simply know how to do the content without learning it

[celest barn]

Exactly

[sage axle]

oh 500m death? just buy bonds off jagex to pay for death fees

[celest barn]

[sage axle]

400 dollar deaths

holy heck

more expensive per death than a AAA title game

[celest barn]

Imagine learning colosseum and paying this kind of fee for every death

Or tob

[cunning osprey]

all the sailing haters go too far so i can never support them fully

[sage axle]

no more learner raids

[celest barn]

Who needs learners when you should just know how to do it already?

[sage axle]

yea sorry but not sorry you should have learned when death fees are cheap

scy is now 14b cause nobody wants to tob anymore to risk it

[celest barn]

^

[quick tangle]

as of now hating sailing is the same as complaining that a house has no roof while under construction, but i'm getting offtopic, the fact here is that this wouldn't pass since its unpractical

[sage axle]

not to mention id actually downgrade to void

to cut down on cost

[celest barn]

So true

[sage axle]

yea sorry to have me teach you raids ur gonna have to leave me a 800m deposit

otherwise its not worth my time

[celest barn]

Can't imagine how quick the game will go to shit if this dumb suggestion is implemented as it currently is.

[cunning osprey]

can you imagine trying to do nex with randoms with these rules in place

it would be disgusting

people would be getting people killed on p2 and ice phase repeatedly

[celest barn]

Tbh nex wouldn't even be that terrible. If your teammates plank, you just teleport out.

[cunning osprey]

if your teamate planks you loot their 1b in gear then you tele out

you would legit have to do all content in void just to avoid this

[celest barn]

LOL

[pale breach]

All pvm with any risk/danger becomes unprofitable unless in full rag gear, pvm drops skyrocket in price

[sage axle]

i cant wait to get a tbow and sell it for 32b

[pale breach]

Further spiraling the issue because it costs even more to reclaim

[sage axle]

bloodfury is now at an all time high

95m for bloodfury or more

oh sorry we recommend the blorva grind when you have a 32 trillion gp bank

[pale breach]

Just never die anywhere ;)

[steady crest]

Or unless dying less

[steady crest]

Or get comfortable with the dt2 bosses instead of rushing awakened attempts

[sage axle]

yea lemme get comfortable spending only 200m a death learning the reg bosses

[steady crest]

Or… risk less

If you’re not good enough to take 5b gear to dt2 bosses, don’t 🤷🏼‍♂️

[celest barn]

Or we can use our gear as we want without having to risk spending hundreds of mils.

If you don't enjoy this game because its becoming easyscape, feel free to find another game to play. You represent a very tiny portion of hardcore players who only want these needlessly risky mechanics added back in.

[steady crest]

Orrrr, you could play warframe if you like pvming with 0 risk, whilst we’re suggesting eachother go to different games

[cunning osprey]

i would settle for them actually doing hard content , but buying a crystal crown for every death

[celest barn]

I'm not the one complaining that the game is bad and suggesting a terrible idea that will ruin the game so I will keep enjoying the great game that is osrs and you can keep crying about it.

[steady crest]

It didn’t ruin the game for the 20 years before you kids needed your hand held 🤷🏼‍♂️

[celest barn]

If all the discussion above in this thread has not already made you realise how ridiculous this suggestion is, I see no point in continuing to talk to you.

[sage axle]

every time u wipe at tob go buy a crystal crown

[cunning osprey]

if they really think the game is better this way , show us

liquidate the bank for every wipe

[steady crest]

I’d rather have to do that than do tob endlessly with 0 risk and challenge

[cunning osprey]

and when you have blorva, hmt scythe , infernal and quiver

[celest barn]

You have demonstrated that you have no interest in engaging in a meanful discussion and instead, only keep saying "my idea is good and anyone else that disagrees is bad".

[cunning osprey]

then suggest this

[celest barn]

Seen too many of your kind so I'm done with this discussion.

[steady crest]

Is that not what you did? “I don’t like your idea, play a different game!” Sook

[steady crest]

I have torva, infernal. Not blorva hmt or quiver yet but its coming soon

[sage axle]

i meant everytime you wipe out at tob, drop 250m on the floor you will realize maybe its not such a great idea

[steady crest]

If anything suggesting it AFTER i done the content would suggest i just want to punish others

[steady crest]

Okay, let’s make it more reasonable. 5% uncapped?

[cunning osprey]

nah it would show you fully understand what it takes to learn content

[steady crest]

Ah yes, because toa 500s were like afking sand crabs

Out of interest, which of those items you mentioned do you have?

[cunning osprey]

because this suggestion is so unreasonable its either trolling or you dont understand what learning end game content properly requires

[cunning osprey]

infernal , quiver , 50 hmt kc

[steady crest]

So what would make it reasonable? Because a 2m death for 5b risk is pathetic

[sage axle]

ur advocating for high death fees for everything. you will realize how unfun learning anything is when you die 10 seconds into a fight cuz the attack one shots you but since ur learning you have no clue

[steady crest]

Where’s the middle ground?

Would uncapped 5% be considered reasonable to yourselves?

[cunning osprey]

500k should be the standard for late game content, which jagex have begun to do for things like toa and by not making collo cheap to die , because when doing content thats hard you will die multipe times

i dont think every single boss should become like awakened bosses on release where its 4m per attempt

[steady crest]

500k to someone risking 5b and earning 15m/h at colosseum is nothing

[cunning osprey]

most people doing colo learning in the opening weeks died 100+ times

they aint just dying once and moving on

[steady crest]

Yes, but the strategy is known now

A learner now does not die at the same frequency

[cunning osprey]

sure , but they will still wipe a significant amout of times

[steady crest]

I’d be open to grace periods on new content release

[cunning osprey]

feel free to prove us wrong and clear it in 1 go

[steady crest]

And so they should, even if they wiped 20x at 5m a death, they then unlock 15m/h moneymaking and make it back in a few hours

[cunning osprey]

but 500k per death is fine as long as its hard / profitable

[steady crest]

Seems reasonable to me

[cunning osprey]

then you're just that unreasonable then. gl

[steady crest]

I’d drop 500k on the floor and not notice, 500k = meaningless deaths fpr late game

[sage axle]

i lost 45m learning vard imagine if that was 5m per death

[steady crest]

How?

[sage axle]

[steady crest]

Solely from death fees?

[cunning osprey]

i dont even want to add up all my death fees 😂

[sage axle]

yea 500k per death

45m in vard deaths

cause i learned with sra

[steady crest]

Profit from vard since?

[sage axle]

130m

cause i got lucky

[cunning osprey]

with varrocks system you will have a lovely 300m loss

for all your effort learning

great game

[steady crest]

Hmm, i’m willing to concede thst my earlier suggested mechs may be a little high given the more challenging content that’s come out since gravestones were introduced

But i’m sticking firm on currently deaths are meaningless

And should be more punishing to some degree

Somewhere in the middle seems fine

It should be more than 500k, because quite frankly i could die 1000 times and it wouldn’t matter

Atleast with awakened there’s an additional cost associated with the orbs, that’s fine

But i don’t like that you have to grind for an orb to kill a hardmode boss

Just the associated higher risk

Also, money is easier than ever to make. You can grind colosseum wave 1 resets with 3m gear and make 3m/h

Death fees need to account for the ease of making money to effectively combat inflation

[pale breach]

Death fees were never meant to keep up with inflation, just to make death not completely free

[steady crest]

And do you feel that is achieved in the current economy?

[mild igloo]

nowadays it's low enough for me to not fear going out and doing the content that would cost me death fees to learn

[steady crest]

Would you be any more concerned trying to learn dt2 bosses than killing a rock crab? Obviously one is harder and requires more thought and attention but in terms of actual concern, would you think “right, i really need to successfully kill this boss and/or escape before i die”?

Or would you go in thinking “eh, if i die i’ll just claim it back for 500k, it’s nothing”?

[mild igloo]

Yeah
If i die i’ll just claim it back for 500k, it’s nothing
It's in a good place

[steady crest]

And that’s my issue, death is meaningless in it’s current state

Death used to be feared, now it’s “eh, whatever”

[mild igloo]

Or tab out actually

[steady crest]

It removes the risk, challenge and excitement from pvm encounters

[mild igloo]

If it cost more I'd probably be learning it in cheaper gear which could be more exciting honestly

[steady crest]

My main has been neglected for way too long because it’s just too boring to play now. I have to play HC to actually enjoy pvm

[steady crest]

That’s my opinion, more challenge = more fun, then once you get good you can break out the max gear and increase profits

It’d be better for the economy, make blorva, quiver etc more rewarding and make pvm risky again

I admit my earlier “remove gravestones entirely or make it uncapped 50%” was probably on the extreme side given the nature of recent pvm releases though

So i think somewhere in the 1-5% range would be more reasonable

Plus it’d give more reasoning to doing lower level pvm

You’d need to bank up cash reserves if you wanted to try a challenging new piece of content

Instead of just throwing yourself at it until you succeed once and automatically pay off your entire learning curve with 1kc

Updated original post to say 1-5% instead

[tame wasp]

hold up, I want to go back here -- are you just replying to agree with yourself here?

[steady crest]

I sent a message saying “seems reasonable to me” but Kingz’s message popped up inbetween my messages, wanted to make it clear that i was continuing my sentence not agreeing that 500k charge for 5b lost items is a reasonable fee

[tame wasp]

Respectfully, I still think that's a very bad idea

And I am glad Jagex has moved in the opposite direction of that

Actively punishing people for going out of their comfort zones and trying new, more challenging content just seems awful

[sudden umbra]

Which cape service did you use?

[steady crest]

Says the one crying about death fees possibly being increased 👀 what’s wrong lil bro? You still find Jad hard?

[sudden umbra]

I'm just saying
If you have an internal why not do colosseum?

Too expensive?

[steady crest]

Not really played my main in a while, focusing on cg on the hc atm. Pvm on main just feels uninteresting due to the reasons i set out in this post. I pretty much only log into if i need a scout for my hc or to test content i’ve not done before

My hc won’t be at colluseum for a long time yet

[sudden umbra]

You could just let your stuff go to deaths domain of you want it to cost more
Or always bring a pet along for the +1 mil

[steady crest]

I could… but seems pretty pointless when i could just play a hc until death isn’t meaningless anymore

[sudden umbra]

You should play realm of the mad god
It's a perma death MMO

[steady crest]

Ill check it out, thanks for the recommendation

[pallid nymph]

Sailing will kill this game but this is a top tier suggestion and will boost the playerbase. 👍

[steady crest]

I mean no gravestone and 60 second death timers was the game settings at runescape’s all time high… so your point is invalid 👍🏾

And yes, sailing will be the start of the downfall of this game

We’ll come back here in a couple years time to analyse playercounts if you want, but that’s off topic for this thread

[summer cedar]

I’m lost in the reasoning behind wanting the removal of gravestones.

If we punish players for dying then we establish that we don’t want them engaging with content “above” their skill level. If we do that then we reduce the amount of endgame pvmers who are already a fraction of the currently player base in half.

Based on the information gathered by the wiki:
6.5% of the players have a trio nex kill,
3.5% of players have a single KC at HMT.
3.8% of players have at least 1 kc at fortis colesseum.

Hell less than 14% of the players have even made it to magers in inferno.

Of these % how many of them died multiple times to get their Kc? You’re talking about removing the one mechanic that encourages people to reengage with content over and over for the small price of some GP, vs forcing players to pay for new sets. It doesn’t make any sense to me but I mean I guess my name fits I guess.

[bitter leaf]

stop feeding the trolls, just ignore them

mods wont do anything about ppl constantly making troll threads so theres no other option

[steady crest]

It’s not a troll. The game is boring when there’s no risk. Same reason i don’t play warframe. Take your tears elsewhere

@summer cedar I’ve updated the post, i don’t think removal entirely was a good idea, 1-5% sounds more reasonable when taking into account the increased difficulty of modern pvm encounters.

But personally i don’t enjoy mindless wealth building sims where there’s no risk. It’s the same reason i don’t play tap tap or idle mobile games

Numbers going up with no risk just bores me

Hence why i can only play hcim atm

[fading jungle]

Idk, I think there’s a certain threshold of risk that should be applied to deaths potentially, but going back to the old lose everything but 3 items system doesn’t even solve that.

People used to just loot their friend’s gear and give back, or you’d run back to your own death pile depending on where you were.

I could see adding some kind of a death tax for sure.

Maybe make supplies and stuff get taxed too, instead of an individual item tax. Currently if your gear is below a certain threshold, your death is free.

Instead, add it all up and apply the tax there. Allow death’s coffer to be used to pay for it, adding back potential item sinks. Also allow putting an item in death’s coffer from your current death to be used to pay, so people aren’t locked out with an untimely death.

Also an autopay feature and way to manage it from the items lost on death screen (sacrifice an item from grave to pay if needed).

[steady crest]

Solid ideas

[soft gust]

Game has deviated so far from what that era of RuneScape had for gear. Would be a huge step in the wrong direction and wouldn’t help with engage with learning content properly. Many already do the content barebones and somewhat inefficient so this would just completely alienate them. If you want to pay a higher fee for some odd reason, go to deaths domain every single time you might plank and reclaim your gear

[cunning osprey]

I only agree for slightly higher death fees if it's very profitable content and it's not expected you die. Shit like Hydra or muspah

But anything over 1m is taking the piss

The existence of a few highly profitable options shouldn't mean the game suddenly becomes overly punishing for all deaths

And punishing people for upgrading their gear is counterproductive

[floral gorge]

maybe they should made a gamemode like dis.....hcim w no trading n ge restrict but on death, all item is dropped and lootable!!!