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#Nature Spirit Quest Reward
dense plaza
Mort dairy has no direct combat affects. Ways of getting more/easier XP sure but no direct affects.
candid lark
Yeah could not do the medium because it requires partial completion of in aid of the myreque.
Enter unicorn pen via fairy ring medium ardougne diary.
Visit island east of necromancer tower also ardy medium
Hard ardy diary requires completion of legends quests, hence dragon slayer, hence defence xp.
No change to desert diary still barred from hard completion by 10 defence requirement.
No change to fally, still barred from hard by hero’s quest requirement
And 30 defence requirement.
And 50 defence…
No change to fremennik diary, easy still requires fremennik trials quest which grants 2.8k defence xp.
However medium diary does require 2 uses of fairy ring system.
dense plaza
Only 2?
candid lark
For fremennik medium diary
dense plaza
Oh, derp
candid lark
Now here’s an interesting thing…
If someone is willing to is willing to take the 2.8k defense xp they may be able to complete the medium fremmy diary for fremennik sea boots 2.
Which are equivalent to steel boots.
They would not be a 1 defense pure tho.
And steel boots only require 5 def to wear anyways
dense plaza
That is also more than lvl 12 though. They could just get nlack boots.
candid lark
2.8k xp?
dense plaza
600 xp gets you lvl 6. Iirc
dense plaza
So 2.8k would get you near 20
Well maybe. I sleep now though. Look up numbers youself if your concerned.
candid lark
I am. Haha
Later
Kandarin medium diary travel to mcgrubers wood by fairy ring.
Kandarin headgear 2 would be obtainable same stats as a steel med helm.
Cheaper but inferior to the bear head helmet
Also inferior to halo.
Still barred from Kandarin hard diary by lvl 50 defence requirement
No change to karamja, partial completion of legends quest still required for hard diary task.
Would make it possible to complete kourend and kebos medium diary
For rada’s blessing 2
+1 prayer bonus
Barred from completing kourend and kebos hard diary by dream mentor which requires lunar diplomacy which in turn requires fremennik trials which as previous stated grants 2.8k defence xp.
Would be able to complete lumbridge and draynor medium diary: travel to wizards tower by fairy ring.
Reward: explorers ring 2
If able to complete RFD and purchase barrows gloves then able to complete lumbridge and draynor hard diary
Reward explorer ring 3
Still barred from elite by completion of all quests/quest cape requirement.
No change to varrock achievement diary, still barred from elite by dream mentor.
Would be able to complete western provinces easy diary with 40 combat, medium diary with 70 combat and hard diary with 100 combat.
If able to complete western provinces hard diary then crystal halberd may be purchased from islwyn
To achieve a combat level of 100, a 1 defence pure would have to be something like 99 attack strength and hit points and 86+ prayer. Or else, 99 magic/range, 99 hp and 86 prayer. Or else, 95 attack and 99 str prayer and hp, etc.
Still barred from elite western provinces diary by 42 defence requirement
No change to wilderness achievement diaries
candid lark
Okay to summarize my findings:
If the change that I have proposed in this thread were implemented pures would be able to complete the following achievement diaries (in addition to any others diaries they were already able to complete):
Mortania - Easy
Ardougne - Medium
Kandarin - Medium
Kourend & Kebos - Medium
Lumbridge & Draynor - Medium
Western Provinces - Easy
Western Provinces - Medium
Western Provinces - Hard (with 100cb)
Diary progressions that would not be changed:
Falador
Fremennik
Varrock
Wilderness
After reviewing the facts, I think a possible point of contention may be access to the crystal halberd (which can be obtained after completion of the Western Provinces hard diary). That being said, a pure with 100+ combat would almost certainly be fighting zerks, tanks and mains who also have access to the crystal halberd provided they meet the requirements (including the 100cb level requirement).
In the unedited version of this message I included Lumbridge & Draynor hard diary, but that was a mistake because in order to complete RFD, a player must also have started the Legend’s quest
warm palm
Obligatory periodic reference to my previous arguments^
candid lark
Obligatory periodic reference to my previous arguments^
Obligatory? I think not. But if you must repeat your objection, I will tell you what I think about it. All you really said is that 1) all unlocks are EXACTLY the same. And, 2) If a player plays a restricted account then, they have limitations.
Your first point is not accurate because being able to use a godsword and being able to use a cabbage (while both could be unlocks) are obviously not the same things. As to your second point, it really doesn’t accomplish anything to say restricted accounts are limited, since everyone already knows that. This post is a suggestion to REMOVE a set of limitations by changing how the nature spirit quest reward is awarded.
If you think we should never, “arbitrarily” relax restrictions for restricted accounts, then you might as well just say we should never relax restrictions for restricted accounts, as all game changes are made arbitrarily.
quaint valley
If you want the reward get the defense xp lil bro
candid lark
Can you speak to any of the points I’ve made? Or just about how you feel about the suggestion?
Oh jerry don’t insult me…
quaint valley
Stop crying that you chose to be 1 defence and want more content. You can get it very easily!
candid lark
I already told someone else I wouldn’t do the quest as is.
Your point of view is seen but not appreciated.
Just wanna clear the noise and put this back on top because Jerry’s comments aren’t really constructive:
To summarize my findings:
If the change that I have proposed in this thread were implemented pures would be able to complete the following achievement diaries (in addition to any other diaries they were already able to complete):
Mortania - Easy
Ardougne - Medium
Kandarin - Medium
Kourend & Kebos - Medium
Lumbridge & Draynor - Medium
Western Provinces - Easy
Western Provinces - Medium
Western Provinces - Hard (with 100cb)
Diary progressions that would not be changed:
Falador
Fremennik
Varrock
Wilderness
After reviewing the facts, I think a possible point of contention may be access to the crystal halberd (which can be obtained after completion of the Western Provinces hard diary). That being said, a pure with 100+ combat would almost certainly be fighting zerks, tanks and mains who also have access to the crystal halberd provided they meet the requirements (including the 100cb level requirement).
In the unedited version of this message I included Lumbridge & Draynor hard diary, but that was a mistake because in order to complete RFD, a player must also have started the Legend’s quest
dense plaza
Western provinces also increase bolt proc chance. That being said.
99 atk, str, hp and 77 prayer leaves you at 98 cb.
Could raise ethier def to 9 or prayer to 93 for 100 cb. I do suspect you would br better off sacrificing some attack and going as a zerker. With 70 atk you could have 51 defense for only 101 cb.
candid lark
Yeah I just ran some calculations for the sake of argument.
But I agree, zerks would be way more effective imo.
Since it requires 100cb, I don’t personally see the crystal halberd as a problem, but I am trying to be as transparent as possible about what things would be unlocked if this suggestion were realized.
I didn’t see the bolt proc, it was like 4am when I finished making the list. I’ll take a closer look at each reward, the item/armor rewards didn’t seem to have an edge over the meta tho.
candid lark
I took at look at the wiki, I’m not seeing greater chance to bolt proc as a reward. @dense plaza
candid lark
Then, I would move to argue that if we should never relax restrictions for restricted accounts, we should never provide quality of life improvements for any accounts.
In the interest of fairness.
This is why it is important to classify the type of change being suggested. There is a difference between buffing combat ability and providing a change that grants greater access to areas and mobility. QOL suggestions should be taken on a case by case basis regardless of what demographic they satisfy.
candid lark
Please see above for list of achievements that would be made available to defence restricted accounts (pures) if this suggestion was realized. Would like to hear thoughts on the subject instead of arguing about who deserves what.
Especially, please let me know if I have overlooked some reward that may upset the current PvP status quo.
dense plaza
I took at look at the wiki, I’m not seeing greater chance to bolt proc as a rewa...
Sorry that was kandarin hard. Instead western had elite void.
candid lark
Sorry that was kandarin hard. Instead western had elite void.
Tracking, shouldn’t be an issue in that case.
It would have been an issue for sure though.
dense plaza
Ya, it needs 42 def to wear.
candid lark
I appreciate you looking into it. One of my strongest arguments for why this change has merit is that it doesn’t upset the PvP meta.
If I’m wrong about that then I’d like to know, because it’s NOT my goal to give pures or any other accounts an edge in PvP. This is all about access to content for me.
oblique echo
Yes
Humans over restrict things all the time then go back and make tweaks. Look at any justice system, laws get reworked all the time because they realized it wasn't in the best interest of society. It may have been in the best interest at one time, or it may have been someone that put rules into effect without considering future environment changes... But regardless it needs changed so it gets changed.
candid lark
Humans over restrict things all the time then go back and make tweaks. Look at a...
Did you see the latest discussion about the achievement diary unlocks?
undone kindle
Yeah if you need to be 100 CB on a 1def character it really defeats the purpose of a pure
You want to keep your CB low
I don't think the +1 prayer bonus would even be that useful since you'd be swapping it with ammo for ranged weapons
Just adds more to your gear switches
candid lark
Yeah, and after considering it further, other blessings provide similar if not same bonus
undone kindle
Getting access to the vampire weapons at a lower average combat level also does nothing
Saw that brought up
Those things are slow and inaccurate
No use in pvp
Most pures are mains with access to the GE
So if you can buy something that's better already
Then there's no point in getting mad about an unlock
This is really just for fairy rings
candid lark
Ahhh I hadn’t considered Ironman pures to be fair, but dam, I’d even say they deserve an opportunity to use these items since they dont have easy access to the better options.
undone kindle
I doubt there are any serious ironman pures
But that's something that the devs would have to check for
There's just no public data to check off of
candid lark
Well, yeah it may improve the pure Ironman game, but they still would only be as effective as other pures.
candid lark
Agreed
undone kindle
After likely months of training the account
candid lark
And gathering all the resources to pk….
Imagine losing like d claws to a pker on an Ironman..
undone kindle
Sure Chally has a miniscule chance to hit like 90 damage on the spec but the level you'd have to be to unlock it on a pure would put you in a bracket where nobody will take more than 40 damage on average just from base stats alone
candid lark
From what I understand it has a useful aoe
candid lark
But damage output isn’t better than dds or claws
undone kindle
Would help with training but you really want to get the ToA ring
What's it's name
Lightbearer
candid lark
Ah yeah, that’s currently accessible to pures
candid lark
I did imagine a pure war with all the pures maxed 99 everything 1 defence and all crystal hallys. Haha
undone kindle
Unless you need a low accuracy, 2 hit AoE spec in PvP for some reason
Like maybe if you hold a choke in the rev caves in multi and 3 people run at you in multi
candid lark
I mean here’s the real question, would it have a higher max than Gmaul spec?
Now that I think about it
candid lark
Yeah and how many specs? Per bar
undone kindle
You lose on DPS to G maul
candid lark
Yeah but it’s about the ko switch
undone kindle
On a single spec yes the Chally could do more but it's slower and has the tick delay
Since it's a 5t weapon
You could combo spec with the G maul much more effectively
candid lark
How much spec energy does it use?
undone kindle
Chally? Think it's 50%
candid lark
I’ll double check that.. people will go range to dds spec to gmaul spec currently
candid lark
Oh dam
undone kindle
But again it's super slow
undone kindle
With the tick delay of the Chally you always want to use it last
candid lark
Bam-bam bam-bam boom-boom
undone kindle
DDS out does it in DPS
candid lark
But not max hit
candid lark
25 50 30 but.. maul is too slow
undone kindle
Yeah you would have to start the combo right as your spec energy is regening
Which some people already do
Tbf
candid lark
Yeah, it wouldn’t be practical though because maul tick is high
undone kindle
Right
candid lark
I would like to see it all tested
undone kindle
You miiiight be able to cheese a kill on a lower level player that can't run away
But very low odds
candid lark
Someone who has access to all the weapons could try it out, you don’t typically see it in PvP as is tho
undone kindle
Yeah it's almost entirely a PvM weapon due to the cost and unlock method
Most PvP accounts aren't going out of their way for it
candid lark
Yeah. So, I still don’t see this as major complication for my suggestion.
So lvl 100+ pures get a crystal hally to play with, dds and gmaul are still likely the best options for melee ko.
Thanks for your input dude
candid lark
Was also just thinking pures with 99 attack and str have access to (among other things) godswords and voidwaker
undone kindle
Yeah that's literally not a problem
You can just buy anything you need
The new Wrathmaw upgrades are gonna be way more powerful than anything you could unlock via fairy rings
candid lark
I guess the chally spec can only hit up to 3 players at once, and like the d hally can only hit twice if attacking monsters larger than 1x1, making it super impractical to use in 1vs1 PvP.
I’ve never used it before so I’m basically just now learning that it’s not a PvP weapon.
candid lark
Please Jagex, see the amount of research I have done on this topic. I know this suggestion is not exactly popular among the osrs discord community, but as far as I can tell making the nature spirit quest reward optional would only benefit players. Though the idea has been thoroughly challenged and scrutinized, no amount of argument or investigation has revealed a single way in which this proposal could upset the PvP status quo. My only reason for suggesting this change is that I believe players who use pures and other “restricted accounts” would enjoy greater access to content, and if they can achieve that ends without any cost to any other players, I can’t see any reason for denying them that opportunity.