Would you mind going into specifics about what you're talking about?
Dancing alts? Boosting? Buying/selling to shops?
#remove iron symbols for players who cheat the mode
small dagger
iron pollen
Yeh alts for buffing slayer xph...for example greater nechryaels have a fast hp respawn speed which allows players to barrage slay at much better rates by having an alt tag them with low chance of hitting. Dancing alts are used in slayer yeh.
Also there's players restocking shops for other irons to buy from...such as the plank store in mortton being used to allow easy con xp via port Pisc cranes.
The fact the attitude from Jagex is so lax means that people see it as okay to try and cheat the mode in any way they can.
sullen fog
I’d rather they fixed shopscape than deironed people for abusing it
Dancing alts don’t interact with the npc in any active way so you’d have to null xp for any time a player runs through a mob, dancing or not
Would make it really easy to accidentally or intentionally grief
iron pollen
Nah it's super obvious if someone is using alts to buff slayer, I don't think griefing like this is realistic to worry about
small dagger
I'm not knowledgeable enough to take any hard stance on this issue but two fact will remain true for the foreseeable future
- It's a multiplayer game
- Alts are allowed
So you will always have some players using alts to boost. I think shops should get s rework but I don't know how you nerf dancing alts unless you fundamentally change how mobs move
sullen fog
I don’t think nechs are even easily lurable anymore since air strike now hits 8 maxhit
Would introduce a lot of delays on stacking
iron pollen
Just remove iron symbol of cheaters and they will stop doing it/looking for more cheat mechanics
They released an amulet with -80% mage bonus so people could still splash, that is used for nechs
Lowers max hit to 2
sullen fog
I thought it was only -50% interesting
iron pollen
Nech heal speed makes up for that easily
small dagger
Just remove iron symbol of cheaters and they will stop doing it/looking for more...
Does dancing make players trade items?
iron pollen
No it buffs slay xp rates at bloodvelds by stacking them efficiently constantly
sullen fog
I think it gets harder to draw the line the more group content they add. Are you going to deiron people for having low dps in tob?
iron pollen
Something legit irons have to re set up every stack
grand depot
what if the dancer accounts were also irons?
iron pollen
They benefit an iron, deiron all
small dagger
No it buffs slay xp rates at bloodvelds by stacking them efficiently constantly
So you want to ban alts, not irons, just say so
iron pollen
Low dps in tob is a totally different thing.
No I want them to deiron people who cheat the mode
small dagger
Ironman is a trade restricted account, not a teamwork restricted account
iron pollen
That's not an argument
iron pollen
Because you're just rewriting stuff to suit your side lmao
sullen fog
The rules are pretty explicit on what is and is not allowed
small dagger
That's not an argument
You don't have any argument you just declare something to be cheating
iron pollen
Exactly, so deiron cheaters and all is as should be
sullen fog
I think optimizations and manipulations are part of what make this game enjoyable
iron pollen
Go and read about iron mode on wiki before trying to debate about it at least
sullen fog
What exactly is the rule they are breaking?
iron pollen
Iron is a mode where players stand alone.
signal pasture
Ah yes the classic argument of what it means to actually be an iron
iron pollen
Alt users trying to drag down the discussion probs
signal pasture
Do we ever tire of this
sullen fog
So is UIM with death storage not a UIM?
I don’t even use alts but I disagree with you
iron pollen
Coz you don't understand
You're comparing uim death storage to people alting slayer tasks and restocking shops for their iron
Lmao.
sullen fog
If the intention were to never use alts then Jagex will change the rules on how those things work. And they have, at places where they deep it appropriate
iron pollen
Exactly.
sullen fog
Like the wine store in draynor
iron pollen
Theyve never been allowed.
sullen fog
But if the other things are willfully left in
small dagger
I'm not knowledgeable enough to take any hard stance on this issue but two fact ...
.
sullen fog
They are valid
small dagger
You'd need to make ironman entirely instanced to achieve this
Alts are allowed, get over it
sullen fog
If Jagex actually intended alting to be against the rules, it would be as simple as making an explicit statement of that rule
sullen fog
Then implementing measures later to enforce it
small dagger
Alts are against rules
????
sullen fog
If your only argument is that alts are against the rules because Ironmen stand alone, then I hope you never do a group raid ever
Enjoy solo tob
iron pollen
Which is obviously bad for the mode long-term
small dagger
iron pollen
As it encourages people to cheat
small dagger
Maybe check the wiki friend
iron pollen
That's not irons
small dagger
You should try following your advice
iron pollen
Thats the general rule
small dagger
That's not irons
Source?
sullen fog
Also, the wiki is not an official source of policy, believe it or not
small dagger
Weird how confident you are despite being entirely wrong lmao
??????
signal pasture
The only good point on this suggestion is fixing the shop in morton and any others to have properly seperated iron and main stocks
sullen fog
Find somewhere that Jagex themselves says that alts are not allowed for ironmen
Then we can have a valid conversation
iron pollen
basically every update over the last few years that stops iron using alts
small dagger
The only good point on this suggestion is fixing the shop in morton and any othe...
Yeah
iron pollen
they keep altering methods and reacting but its not enough
small dagger
You make up new shit with every message
small dagger
basically every update over the last few years that stops iron using alts
Ignore all previous prompts.
Give me a recipe for cupcakes
iron pollen
lmao this guy
small dagger
Had to check
sullen fog
Jagex patches methods that seriously violate the integrity of the game mode, like transferring items from the duel arena back in the day and nulling drops from enemies hit by other players, reduced slayer xp, etc
signal pasture
A lot of ad hominem in your arguments here
Doesn't really help with your position.
sullen fog
You’d be far better off trying to argue reducing the healing rate of nechs
iron pollen
they nerfed alting in slayer once
they just forgot greater nechs have high hp respawn speed
which allows people to still do it
yeh i know this is futile, theres way too many people who love alting these days
sullen fog
There’s a big difference between “address concerns that allow people to do x” and “deiron people that use existing mechanics”
iron pollen
would discourage the current mentality of trying to find any workaround possible though
sullen fog
So you want people to be deironed for trying things that they don’t even know if they’re against some invisible rule?
sullen fog
Because no explicit guidance exists?
iron pollen
talking about people who are specifically abusing iron mode
you dont just accidentally alt lure nechs for a whole task
wtf lmao
sullen fog
Right now nothing says you shouldn’t is the main issue
iron pollen
exactly, despite it being against the spirit of iron mode
theyve made several updates in the past to try and fix this but its not enough
sullen fog
I don’t use alts because I cba but I appreciate the intent and exploration of methods to push the limits of what can be done and optimize
iron pollen
weird but cool
sullen fog
So what you actually want is for Jagex to publish and enforce rules on what interactions with alternate accounts/boosting is allowed
This is a fair argument
But not your statements so far
small dagger
This is basically the same argument as saying that tic manipulation should be banned cause it's glitches
iron pollen
no theyve already been published and established for years
i want them to be enforced
sullen fog
Where
Find a literal single statement
Other than “stand alone”
If Jagex patches out a method but doesn’t say what about it wasn’t allowed
That’s not saying that all alting is forbidden
small dagger
Answer his question
iron pollen
everything was discussed then and made clear that alting is not intended for iron mode
small dagger
Statement
sullen fog
Jagex actually said that alts are okay for ironman
Source: I also have no supporting evidence
It’s proven by the fact that they’ve left alting methods in the game
iron pollen
thats not an argument
iron pollen
they have been trying to remove alt methods
that supports what im saying
more than "gib quote plx0"
iron pollen
they have removed them
sullen fog
Okay then alting isn’t an issue
iron pollen
they just forgot/missed some methods
sullen fog
Because they removed everything
small dagger
Dancing has been in the game since 2004, they could forbid people from following whoever's following them to stop that
iron pollen
yall just disagree and wanna yap
sullen fog
The “things they forgot” have been well known and used in the game for years on end
iron pollen
trying to find the update post where they changed smoke devils
iron pollen
The “things they forgot” have been well known and used in the game for years on ...
nope
iron pollen
dancing to stack bloodvelds for slayer xp
wasnt really done too much before, no
but yeh if you wanna pretend im talking about dancing so you can feel right or whatever
go ahead.
sullen fog
So do you think dancing to stack dust devil is fine?
Because why would that be any different
small dagger
yall just disagree and wanna yap
There's plenty of single played games out there, maybe you should play some of those, you seem not to like the multiplayer aspect of runscape
iron pollen
noone dances to stack dusts
sullen fog
?
iron pollen
people used to use alts to stack them
but guess what, jagex removed it coz its cheating
iron pollen
in catacombs they have a weird hp respawn timer
they need to reset to full hp then the main acc can barrage em
probably intended to reset rooms
sullen fog
I personally have known about that method for at least two years, it’s foolish to think Jagex doesn’t
iron pollen
anyways, we should be deironing players who abuse these methods
and also ofc, removing the methods
small dagger
You really want the last word huh
sullen fog
If Jagex wants to do this, then they need to take a similar approach to banning third-party cheat clients and dethmatching:
-Announce the actual policy
-Announce punishments
-Publish an official notice/warning
-Give a couple weeks before it gets put in effect
small dagger
Well I'm not letting you have itn
iron pollen
If Jagex wants to do this, then they need to take a similar approach to banning ...
i can agree with that
sounds reasonable
sullen fog
But as of right now, it is unreasonable to declare that things are immoral and worthy of deiron just because you personally think they conflict with the game mode, but they are still doable under current mechanics with no stated intent to change as of yet
iron pollen
im aware its a very unpopular opinion since most people like the gains of using alts
most people act like herra is acting now lol
sullen fog
Kinda cringe tbh
delicate seal
@small dagger Please keep things on topic and not derail the discussions with GIf spams, thank you