#Deathfire touch dart anyone?

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molten ginkgo
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What if we are able to break down Avernic hilts, melt them down and then turn them into Avernic Dart tips.
Avernic Darts :D Higher dps than dragon, pricy to use so it wont blow anything out of the water on average

scarlet crystal
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In what world would this ever get used though? If it wasnt an insanely high ranged strength, it would literally never see use due to the low availability

molten ginkgo
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it would give a decent amount of dart tips that it wouldnt be like 20m a dart

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but maybe like 20-50k a dart

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it would be stronger than ddart

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it would be good for people who want that extra oomph for speed running dps wise

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a bit pricy to normally use but not pricy enough to also not use

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think of it as the purple sweets of darts

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yea u dont normally use purple sweets but that doesnt mean people wont ever use them

fluid sequoia
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Ayyyy, sorry to whoever suggested giving f2p a vote, we have a new dumbest suggestion of the week!

molten ginkgo
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win win

fluid sequoia
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True

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Let us runecraft avernic hilts into avernic runes too

molten ginkgo
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xd

fluid sequoia
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100% elemental weakness against all bosses

zinc nest
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1000%*

molten ginkgo
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the stretch i was going for is , its metal so u can turn it into dart tips

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cause dart tips are metal

fluid sequoia
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But no other formed metal items can be melted down and turned into another item outside of giant’s foundry afaik?

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And alchemy i suppose

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But either way im fundamentally against the suggestion of constant new bis, the power creep of the last few years is already insane

molten ginkgo
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hmm thats fair ig

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it was an idea i had for a couple years when avernic prices dropped to like 40m

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it was a way for the item to stay up

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and it would mean that all the extra avernics irons get could be made into darts

zinc nest
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Torva darts next

molten ginkgo
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hol up

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let Etube cook

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but in my mind i think it could be broken up into alot of darts

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not just a little

zinc nest
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Tying upkeep to a specific activity is a pretty bad starting premise for a resource

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You're also trying to maintain value on an item with a high inherent value

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Since it's a very useful item

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With relatively low volume

molten ginkgo
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Hmmm

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it is the most common unique tbf

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like i was thinking what if we were able to make use of the surplus of lightbearers/fangs

zinc nest
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Yet each is almost twice as much as full justi

molten ginkgo
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at toa

zinc nest
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The issue is that they made them way too common, not that there's nothing to do with them

molten ginkgo
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or make use of the dexes and arcanes

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i meant im bringing this up

zinc nest
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Have you heard of the GE item sink

molten ginkgo
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as their most "common raids drop"

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so dex scrolls and arcane scrolls could be used to "enhance ammunition"
Avernics could be made into darts and as for toa common drops like LB and Fang... there could be a use for it

zinc nest
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Just please no

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All of these are really bad ideas

molten ginkgo
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how so?

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It keeps the items up higher in value, new players can make good profit learning raids

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i think its a win

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speed runners benefit from getting to blow their access gp on expensive shit for the sake of speed running

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new players benefit cause drops are costly

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when they pull the drop they go "shit nice its money"

zinc nest
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New players would by far be the most detrimentally impacted by this wym

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New players suffer because drops are costly

molten ginkgo
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new players getting into raids wont feel like "they missed the launch of the raid and now are getting scraps"

zinc nest
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The most common uniques are cheaper because they're more common, which lets more people have access to them

molten ginkgo
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they are common so that means they will be pulling these items more often

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which will feel crappy yea?

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so when the price is more reasonable it wont feel nearly as bad when they do it

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im looking out for the new players getting into the content

zinc nest
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So your solution is to make it so that people have to pay 100m to buy a dex so that it feels better to be a lower level player?

molten ginkgo
molten ginkgo
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to actually be reasonable to afford a tbow

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at a reasonable rate

zinc nest
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To make into tbow shards of course to make tbow arrows

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I don't see how that's any better than just being able to buy things at a more accessible price

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Most of the people buying a dex haven't done enough chambers to earn one

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Most of the money in raids is in the megarares and that's fine

molten ginkgo
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because currently with how raids drops work, the descepency between common items and the megarare value is far too drastic. theres no way for a new raider to realistically earn a tbow scythe or a shadow without "lul simply just get lucky and hit the megarare a few times" where as if you made the common drop more pricy, it brings the gp/h up and lets them afford the megarares without the gutted feeling

zinc nest
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The normal loot is still good at all the raids too

molten ginkgo
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i want you to only get normal loot from raids and see if u can buy a tbow with that money

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xD

zinc nest
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I got a tbow on my main with only 1 prayer scroll as a drop before that from any raids content

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I don't see your point

molten ginkgo
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more common drop being up= players make more gp on average= more newer raiders can now afford megarares easier, because common drops are worth nothing, its almost like you're gate keeping new players from owning one because none of the other drops are valuable

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they can do raids to get the megarares

zinc nest
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They already can though

molten ginkgo
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yea if they pull b3b megarares sure

zinc nest
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And your solution is to make it harder for people to buy upgrades?

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To get into raiding in the first place?

molten ginkgo
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you do realize that getting into the raids

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u dont need all of those items right?

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and the second u get splits

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(which you will very easily)

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u can instantly afford one

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i started cox with eagle eye

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not riguor

zinc nest
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And?

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So did I

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On my iron

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On my main I bought rigour first

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Because you'd be a fool not to

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Unless you're saying you're starting raids in like 2m gear

molten ginkgo
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40m gear eagle eye

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people will understand not everyoen can afford 100m dex

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people still let me in when dex was 100m

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guess what

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i owned rigour after 30 raids

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cause i got dex splits

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it felt good

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cause every dex split was a solid chunk of gp

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going to every upgrade

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it didnt feel like scraps

zinc nest
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So you're saying that the solution to the economy is just to increase inflation

molten ginkgo
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add new uses for those common items

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so it stays up

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so newcomers farming it

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will feel good about farming the content

zinc nest
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A dex is still worth more than enough for a newcomer to feel good about it

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I fail to see your point

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It shouldn't be anywhere near the value of the rare items

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And that's good

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If a dex is the same price as an ancestral hat, that's bad design

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And while the game should not be catered toward ironmen, going back to my original statement that making a consumable resource be only available from a single source is a bad thing still stands

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Especially if the item is notably rare and nigh impossible to specifically grind for

molten ginkgo
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otherwise its jackpot sim

zinc nest
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I think the issue here is that you think they're worthless right now

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And they're very much not

molten ginkgo
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it just feels terrible to work towards anything its basically “get lucky or eat shit” u can see when cox was on the decline when dexs were 11m and less gp than vorkath. nobody but cox enthusists wanna to do it because it just wasnt worth the effort. why cox for 1.9m/h (at the time) when u could vorkath for 4m/h so yes the common drop being worth a decent money is a good thing

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16m is alot? how about 1.9m on lb 3m on arcane 13m on fang

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these are raids rewards not slayer drops

zinc nest
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ToA was balanced horribly on drops

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You'd be much better off restarting from square 1 on ToA balancing than trying to find new uses for the drops

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Even Masori body is less than 50m

molten ginkgo
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and we have proved that expensive consumables like purple sweets are still used even if its pricy. yes i am trying to find ways to help keep the value of items up. people are def willing to pay for extra dps. even if its overpriced

zinc nest
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"People would do it if it were added" is not a good entering argument for why something is beneficial and necessary for the game

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People would go loot tbows off the ground at the faming guild too

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People will pay hundreds of millions to boost pet rates

molten ginkgo
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people blow gp on dragon darts

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for more dps

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this is basically the same thing two birds one stone

zinc nest
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It's not even remotely the same thing

molten ginkgo
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then it will make tob also more tempting to learn

fluid sequoia
# molten ginkgo im looking out for the new players getting into the content

Yeah nah, as etube said higher drop prices would hurt new players. They’re learning, they can’t farm as fast, they can’t get drops as fast, the experienced people are stockpiling cash while the noobs are learning, that cash enters the economy and drives the prices of all supplies up so the noobs have to fork out more during the learning process etc.

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But tbh, it’s 2024 and the eco has already been screwed by bot farms so who isn’t an ironman these days anyway 👀

neon fable
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i like the idea of having expensenive endgame utility/gear

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but idt this is the way to go about it

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was a big fan of scrimshaws on rs3 and i definitely they need to make tbow more then 2gp per hour to use

neon fable
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u just need to know ur options if u dont want gp tied to mega rare still make good money nex/colo exists and nex is there if u dont have gear/skill to farm colo

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mega rare at nex is the cheapest item and the "dexes" are the most valueable drops

molten ginkgo
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hmm

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i guess so

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thats fair ig

nimble sierra
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Time to change the title

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Deathtouched darts anyone? masorihmm

molten ginkgo
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lol

molten ginkgo
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Deathfire touch dart anyone?

nimble sierra
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Unless? 👀

waxen ledge
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even if you got 100 dart tips from one hilt, that's 635k gp per dart

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it could one shot a monster that drops 500k gp and it still wouldn't be worth it

quaint walrus
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I'm not against this tbh. As long as the darts are adequately balanced to be more expensive per dart than dragon darts at its peak, it shouldn't cost any issues.

As for "making avernic more expensive", it's one of the last buys you purchase until it's 15m. Since the elder maul change, even less spots to use it at and you only really bring it when you aren't using megas, which is pretty rare nowadays.

5k darts would be 12k at current avernic prices and it would add a sink for uniques besides ge sink + death coffer.

pallid harness
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Should get the Avernic Attacker from the Avernic Defender

waxen ledge
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and salvage the dragon full helmet into 5k dragon darts

north schooner
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That is a really slippry slope considering we can buy lumps of dragon metal.

nimble sierra
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Those are 1/5k drops @north schooner . Their supply isnt as big as you think

north schooner
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Most orikalkum items are alch fodder. Though even if one could smelt them into bolts it would havr to be much more than a bars worth of darts for that to actually be better than alching them.

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But if the averik hilt was somehow sopposed to be turned into a useable number of darts that same multiplier would be obcene if used with dragon stuff.

tardy nova
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What if they were named darts of ScrewYouCarl and had +250 ranged strength against players with Carl in their username or email?