subtle parrot
Vardorvis, Duke Sucellus, Leviathan, The Whisperer, Vorkath.
It seems counterintuitive/weird/outright stupid to me, that you do the quest, you kill the boss, then if you try and do the boss again you WILL get your ass handed to you.
The bosses could drop loot at comparitive rates as CG vs Regular Gauntlet. But it feels awful to do the quest, enjoy the bosses, then not be able to fight them
maiden osprey
not opposed to this, would help ppl learn the mechanics while being less punishing.
hushed frigate
big support
compact flame
Same thing happens with vorkath and it's fine. The bosses are fine as is and allows you to get better pvm wise. Plus in regards to potential uniques, having it be accessible via the quest mode would be even more counter-productive
subtle parrot
hence the "with comparable rates to the Gauntlet vs CG" part.
the uniques in the easier gauntlet are 5x as rare.
And the average loot itself is 1/3rd of CG
drowsy fiber
I'd say no rare chance at all
But I do think it's a decent idea instead of trying to practice on speed running worlds
Which almost nobody does
subtle parrot
i mean x5 odds is realistically no rare odds
its not like people do normal gauntlet for weap seed
green sequoia
im a +1 only if there is no loot at all
like refighting galvek doesn't give loot
and besides the only quest bosses you get loot from in the quest itself is dt2
and dt2 leviathan for example is literal piss you can do it with half your brain in tact
no loot please
subtle parrot
im a +1 only if there is no **loot** at all
if it had the same loot rarity as what i was proposing, being comparable to CG gap, the GP/h would be as follows
1.3mil/h Duke Succ
1.4mil/h Whisperer
1.1mil/h Leviathan
2 mil /h Vardorvis (wow vardorvis is much higher gp/h wow)
500k-1m/h for Vorkath
May i ask why youre so opossed to these pretty dogshit gp/h's?
green sequoia
because they're the quest variants
1.4m/hr is by no means dogshit considering they're quest variants
the point is to learn, not to farm for loot
you're also forgetting something else
subtle parrot
i guess 1.4mil isnt too bad. could honestly half all of them. still.
green sequoia
with the current system you pay to learn the boss, via death fees
if you get to learn by just having an easier boss, you skip paying death fees
which means you're making money indirectly, by virtue of not spending it on deaths
subtle parrot
thats a point actually
just mostly wish there were more bosses around that range. The gap between bosses like Scurrius and bosses like Vardorvis is so big stats wise. Just wish there were more slightly lower level interactive bosses, along the stats of like Perilous moons.
green sequoia
it's still going to be a big gap but you can practice levi technically by doing scurrius with 0 prayer point loss
vardorvis is going to be rough either way
subtle parrot
i can do that while flicking piety on hits 😎 but yeah i just find vardorvis fun and wanna fight him more, but the gap between him and the quest variant are just so massive
green sequoia
fair
subtle parrot
which just FEELS bad mostly. Like if you were to just go in blind without wiki'ing youd just get trounced and wonder why its SO much harder
green sequoia
i would rather they just slowly add content over time which bridges the gap
which i think they're trying to do?
subtle parrot
yeah but vardorvis is so fun :c
green sequoia
zzz
subtle parrot
and i cant do that stuff in my pp mid game melee gear with base 80's for any period of time :c
green sequoia
i mean i think thats fine
the main point of attraction for the bosses is the loot
which is why im +1 to refighting quest bosses in their weaker form without loot
i mean, entry tob is -85% loot
but tob is a lot longer than 1 dt2 boss kill
subtle parrot
yeah tbh id probs be fine with that, the fact they have a death fee kinda makes me agree, and true forgot to compare to raids
green sequoia
but tob is a lot longer than 1 dt2 boss kill
and entry tob is supposed to be a 'shitty' option for some people who dont have a team/dont want to find one
some people (albeit mainly uims) farm entry tob for vials of blood for example
static sand
maybe something similar to what exists for the fragment of seren from SotE and the memoriam device ?
hushed frigate
i support the idea of refighting quest bosses being without loot or at a much lower loot drop rate, like -75% to -90%, mainly to learn the content or to re-experience the quest version
tribal acorn
Fully support this provided no loot is given.
You want the drops? Go farm the actual boss.
red vale
no loot is fair if the death fee is removed, you end up using cash for supplies so technically you're already paying to gain the knowledge of the fight.
I'm not against a little bit of loot (no uniques) with the tradeoff of death fees if Jagex can balance it right, but no loot sounds easier to implement at first glance
tribal acorn
Current quest bosses like Galvek are safe deaths so it would be consistent to have no death fees for these other bosses.
blissful perch
Current quest bosses like Galvek are safe deaths so it would be consistent to ha...
keep in mind tho
plucky pumice
There should be death cost and no loot u die to reg its prob 250-500k gp each while learning
blissful perch
u arent farming galvek post quest either
ur farming vorkath
and vorkath has no free practice mode either
wispy lichen
Dont think a low to no loot version needs a high death fee tho
plucky pumice
They want it to learn mechanics for reg why shouldnt there be a death cost
wispy lichen
want to incentivise players to improve not scare them away
blissful perch
give them a 100k death fee then
wispy lichen
and i never said no fee
blissful perch
like how vorkath works
tribal acorn
keep in mind tho
I'm indifferent about fees so long as no/very little loot is given for kills if this idea ever gets implemented.
blissful perch
im more for no loot at all
tribal acorn
Me too
wispy lichen
because its almost impossible to die to a quest variant
U know the people doing the quest variants are gonna be mechanically bad players with bad stats and bad gear and bad game knowledge right
blissful perch
gotta have some incentive
to push for normal version
or simply just teleport out before you die
wispy lichen
the incentive is the lack of loot
blissful perch
lol
tribal acorn
To say its almost impossible to die to a quest variant makes no sense as it will be most people's first or second time at the fight. Mistakes will happen
blissful perch
and if you've beaten the quest once, then you already know how to do the boss at a base level
wispy lichen
beating the quest once doesnt mean u didnt plank a lot for one kc
and doesnt mean you wouldnt still die if you ran it back
good players would graduate the quest variant soon as they are able to do the quest variant without planking a few times ina row its a good stepping stone
with it not giving loot or at a massive reduction players will naturally want to quickly improve and graduate to the reg form
blissful perch
tbf they did that with entry tob
and alot of people didnt wanna move onto reg tob
lol
wispy lichen
the gap from entry and reg is huge tho
compact flame
Only reason there’s loot because it’s still 10+ min
wispy lichen
And ye it gives something
wispy lichen
if the problem is loot then just make it give none
the practise is more important
they will save money on less planks vs reg if they can get some quest variant prac in
0 loot 0 death fee would be the most noob friendly tbh
A low death fee would be fine too also
trading supplies to get reps in
subtle parrot
and mind you, the vorkath practice fight giving no loot loses you gp and supplies even if you win. you use bolts, antis, etc
wispy lichen
Ye thats fine tho
just 1 less death vs regular because of the practise you got and the time + death fee saving pays for it
drowsy fiber
yeah you should pay to use supplies for practice and get 0 loot
as they say
get gud
true bough
i guess 1.4mil isnt too bad. could honestly half all of them. still.
You can piss at a general direction and make 1.4m per hour with how bad the economy has been recently
I'm all for it I think ppl underestimate how bad droprates would be if it was like gauntlet Vs CG.... The uniques from the bosses are wayyy rarer imagine that on top of a similar gap to gauntlet from CG
You might as well go for an entry mode shadow