please for the love of Guthix put a cooldown on interrupting actions at Wintertodt

[upper cedar]

it feels absolutely miserable being repeatedly interrupted the tick i start throwing logs on the brazier. i'm not even that dry (172 kc without a single piece of the set, but 5 torches and 2 gloves tho) and I already want to leave and never come back because of just how frustrating this activity is to deal with at times. I don't want faster exp or faster points or anything like that, please just make the activity itself less frustrating

Hell, maybe give the gloves some actual use and give them a chance to resist being interrupted when worn.

[loud sand]

you can use other warm clothing to mitigate it until you get he pieces

[upper cedar]

even with 4 pieces you can still get hit and interrupted repeatedly

since posting this i've gotten another torch, adding more salt to the wound

[wintry night]

Yep WT bad

[upper cedar]

and another pair of gloves just now.

gonna be fun to see this play out again with the new herblore set in varlamore pt 2 since the goggles are the only piece with an effect because people wanted fashionscape while they bankstand

[wintry night]

I don't see how your drop RNG has anything to do with this post

[upper cedar]

that's to hopefully preempt any responses from people complaining about "hur dur ezscape!!!1"

[wintry night]

?

[upper cedar]

there are a lot of people in this community who will attack any suggestion for quality of life changes because they incorrectly assume that every suggestion is just whining for better exp or drop rates

[wintry night]

The drops barely matter at WT it's just a garbage activity that people do for xp

[upper cedar]

this post is not about the drops

that's why i said that in the original post, i'm hoping they'll change the activity itself to be less garbage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Rc9CzVRuQ this is what it feels like to do Wintertodt

[pearl holly]

Warm clothes don't affect the frequency of Todt damaging you, it just reduces the damage you take

[loud sand]

well half of his post was complaining about not getting the pieces so

[pearl holly]

No, it's not. It's about how Todt just stunlocks you for 10 years straight

[loud sand]

okay gz

[pearl holly]

It's a genuine problem that makes fletching and filling the braizer a painful experience and there's an easy way they could fix it

Just remove the damage reduction from warm clothes and change it to make Todt hit you less often

Then you're taking the same amount of damage but you're not getting kicked in the dick repeatedly while cutting logs

[loud sand]

oh gotcha so a chill bis xp method with actually no downsides

I'm sure that will hit 70% when polled

[pearl holly]

You're strawmaning

[loud sand]

how so? wt is borderline afk as it is and you get 300k+ xp an hour. So we should make it more afk by not being interrupted?

[pearl holly]

I get the impression you either never fletch or never actually did WT

[loud sand]

[pearl holly]

It's not uncommon at all for Todt to just smack you back to back

And when that happens you can't do shit

You just have to sit there and drink your pain away

Because todt randomly decides that you're not allowed to play the game for 5 seconds straight

[loud sand]

all solos fletching btw

[upper cedar]

Ignore levipet, they're literally just here to troll, as evidenced by the fact that they very clearly did not read the post before coming in here to shit talk

[pearl holly]

That's cool brah but that doesn't change the fact that it's a shit boss with shit mechanics

[loud sand]

yknow what, actually id vote yes if this was polled

[tranquil arch]

would like this tied to having a higher HP level at wintertodt somehow since the more you've got the more it hurts

[loud sand]

let the low and mid levels speak, i stand to lose nothing

[tranquil arch]

maybe you withstand the cold well enough to take damage but not immediately lose track of your ongoing action

[upper cedar]

I'd be fine if damage wasn't changed, the only real problem I have is with being interrupted repeatedly

Even if such a change is in the form of gloves to where you can't combo it with the Regen bracelet

[pearl holly]

There should at the very least be enough time to fletch one log/fuel the brazier once before you can be interupted again

[upper cedar]

While it would still be annoying to be interrupted after just one action, that would definitely be an objective improvement

But I would hope they'd go a bit further

[pearl holly]

They could make it so that the first log you use the knife on gets fletched instantly

Then the rest are fletched slowly

Same with using a log on the braizer

So if you're actively participating you don't have to worry about WT interrupting you

It should probably work like using a chisel on blessed bones, where using the knife on a log fletches the first log in the inventory, not the one you click

Probably a good compromise between this and people who don't want it to be more AFK

[upper cedar]

Maybe, though that seems like the kind of change that runs the risk of changing rates which would guarantee some additional pushback when polled

Depends on how it's implemented, I suppose

They'd likely need to make it so you can't just spam fletch for faster rates and that might be a bit more engine work, idk tho

I do like the idea though

[pearl holly]

I think it's in line with OSRS design philosophy

[upper cedar]

Oh for sure, I'm just wondering about the sort of pushback a change like this might get from people like levipet

Or rather, people against it in good faith, anyway lol

[loud sand]

just gotta scroll up a bit buddy

[upper cedar]

Thanks for the input.

[loud sand]

yw

[pearl holly]

It's more effort/attention for higher rates, since you're manually fletching/feeding the brazier

[upper cedar]

Yeah though that's what I'm saying, higher rates in general are met with a lot of cynicism

And some of it has some merit, like what if they want to introduce a new FM activity in the future?

If they buff todt rates at all that limits their options for anything new

[rancid tendon]

yeah i said the same thing just a bit a go. feels so ass when it just hits you like 6 times back to back not letting you do a single action

[upper cedar]

Unless it's marginal, I suppose

[pearl holly]

There are other knobs they can turn for activities besides GP/h and XP/h

Like how intense or dangerous it is

[upper cedar]

Being 1ticked by todt like that is the worst thing in the game, full stop

[pearl holly]

I had times where I just could not meet 2k points before the round ended because WT just kept bullying me

[upper cedar]

That's true but todt is already a dangerous high rate activity that rewards a good bit of resources and the pyro set, so to compete with that would be a lot harder if todt got any noticeable buff

Well "dangerous" if you aren't paying attention anyway

[pearl holly]

It only happened like twice, but the fact that it can happen at all is agregious

[upper cedar]

Would be cool to see something better though but honestly the skill itself is so useless I wouldn't even be actually opposed to JMods just buffing todt's exp rates and calling it a day

[pearl holly]

I think FM as a whole could use some sort of overhaul

[upper cedar]

Idk I think as an individual skill it's kinda silly. I know this will likely never happen but I'd almost rather see it rolled together with woodcutting, renaming it "Forestry"

[pearl holly]

100% won't happen

I can't even imagine how that would be handled

[upper cedar]

The original skill was useful in RSClassic cause you actually needed to make fires to cook more often but now there are just stoves and teleports near stoves everywhere

Yeah it'd be a mess if they tried actually merging the skills

Though it'd free up a slot for Sailing and people with 2277 tattoos wouldn't have to have them changed lol

[pearl holly]

It's too much trouble

[upper cedar]

Agreed

Plus that's well beyond the scope of this suggestion

[distant glen]

ummm... i guess i can get behind this if the cd is really short? like maybe the previous idea of just enough time to fletch/burn one item?

the instant fletch thing is a no go cause you could just high apm get a billion exp an hour

[pearl holly]

Fair

[upper cedar]

yeah that's about what i'm thinkin too

again i'd still like for such a cooldown to be a little longer than that but i'll take whatever i can get, honestly

[normal needle]

wintertodt needs to be reworked more or less

its not engaging or fun

[upper cedar]

i dont disagree

i'd love to see a proper rework, they could even justify it as Todt making progress in breaking out of its containment

maybe summons ice demons we gotta fight like in CoX

[normal needle]

nah it should remain a skilling boss

[upper cedar]

agreed. maybe instead of us actually fighting the demons we help the pyromancers handle them

regardless, i'd settle for just making todt less shit in the short term

[wintry night]

I agree with wt bad because not afk and not active and not enjoyable, I disagree with most of the rest of this post's discussion. A good fix might be that the interrupt at least happens after your current action.

[upper cedar]

it's a lovely feeling when the planets align and you fail todt because you got interrupted too much + not enough points from relighting/repairing/curing the pyromancers + not enough points because you didn't fletch (because fletching is slower exp)

[wintry night]

Failing to get 500 pts because you didn't fletch is slower xp

[upper cedar]

yes, but the game incentivizes not fletching because it's faster exp and i'm tryna get 95

i'm not opposed to needing to fletch but that particular gripe was more just another reason i hate this minigame's design

[rancid tendon]

its not even thatmuch worse exp is it?

and you can just afk do 500 runs

and get like 180k/h

[upper cedar]

i actually dont recall the exact rates

but i'm getting 250k-ish right now

though i've started fletching more

[elfin isle]

The most I would want to see is the WT equippables (pyromancer+bruma torch+tome of fire) adding a minimum delay to WTs freezing attacks, but it would have to be small to not be a significant XP/h buff. Maybe like 1t of delay between WT attacks per piece?

So with the whole kit it would be 7t minimum delay between freezes, which lands this more as a game feel buff rather than an outright buff to the content overall

[upper cedar]

I don't know if I'd want to see it applied in quite that way because that would discourage using other warm clothing over the Pyro set and I quite enjoy wearing my evil chicken outfit there, and warm clothing in general already gives some protection from the attacks themselves, so I think the most I would propose is making the gloves specifically add some sort of resistance to being interrupted by the attacks. That'd make an entirely useless feel-bad drop at least have some purpose without upsetting the meta too much.

Or maybe even let the gloves give 100% resistance to being interrupted, but they have to be charged with burnt pages. I know chargescape isn't exactly popular but i feel like it'd be fine in a context like this

[pearl holly]

There's already a reason to use the pyro set over anything else; the XP bonus

[upper cedar]

oh right, yeah that too

i guess i forgot about that because I still haven't gotten a single piece