#Remove the Grand Exchange completely, it ruins the game.

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wicked kayak
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[[ironman mode]]

deep veldtBOT
wicked kayak
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or [[group ironman mode]]

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rancid oxide
green holly
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can just use the group bank and discord to sort stuff out if you wanna do that type of stuff

wraith belfry
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if you want to stand outside a bank spam typing that you are selling an item then go for it

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even before the GE people started using forums because relying on the right person to see your offer was shit

green holly
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yeah look to a game like POE or Diablo

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its just up to how its decided upon. this game does a generic community run shop. pretty standard

round prism
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Why do people still fantasize having to copypaste the same message for 3 hours only to get a shit offer and repeat the process

vernal shore
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Having played since long before the G.E, anyone who 'missed out', take my word for it, you didn't miss out on much. There was nothing fun about standing at a bank in world 2 for an hour spamming a trade offer hoping someone could see you in the chat log long enough to figure out which player actually had the item. There was nothing fun about half the trade offers you got being less than the price you asked. There was nothing fun about the other half of the trade offers being scam attempts or someone trying to get you to accept half the payment in unstrung longbows.

This did not build community. Not once did I make a friend spamming in w2. Nobody had conversations or met anyone because we were busy trying to type glow3:wave2: as fast as possible so someone would notice our offer. The community was built on people playing together because we weren't all looking for an empty world for everything to maximize efficiency when we were 12. The G.E. was one of the best updates Runescape ever had.

royal marsh
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we've already experienced the game without a GE anyways and everyone realized it sucked and voted in the GE

rancid oxide
rancid oxide
royal marsh
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76% of people voted yes for the GE

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if you liked the pre-GE days, speak for yourself

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if there was no GE, I would just play as an ironman

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if what you actually want is to just make everyone an ironman, you could've just said that instead

rancid oxide
royal marsh
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ok now I know you're just trolling

rancid oxide
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ironman doesn't allow you to trade

royal marsh
rancid oxide
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there's no trading with ironman bro

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i'm supporting trade dude

royal marsh
rancid oxide
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right but they probably didn't know what it entailed

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redo the poll

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they need to redo the poll

royal marsh
royal marsh
rancid oxide
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whatever dude

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idk why you guys lovee g.e. so much

royal marsh
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admirable attempt at trolling but you should probably do a little more research next time

rancid oxide
royal marsh
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it was a good idea but too easily rebutted

rancid oxide
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ok what if players were given the option to use g.e. or not be able to use it? would that be more viable

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but still be able to trade everyboody

royal marsh
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good idea, i'm in favor of that 😉

rancid oxide
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ok cool, i

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i'll reemakee this suggeestion tthen

mystic knot
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Buying tbow for max cash kekw pepegiantclub

vernal shore
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I can say with certainty that I wouldn't, because I was playing before the GE came to RS2, not just before it was readded to OS. Buying and selling anything was a chore that did nothing other than take away time I could have spent actually playing the game, lol.

covert prawn
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I remember playing RS2 before the GE and I was basically an ironman except for when I needed a gear upgrade or overpriced law runes

The convenience fee isn't high enough to incentivize the old method of trading except for when bulk trading and non-GE items are involved

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I would probably try a mode or vote yes to a game change where there's a higher tax rate on both buying and selling that goes back down to normal through questing, diary tiers and other advancements

cyan magnet
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players voted in ge they had option not to

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i think everyone found the ancient player to player trading to be more nostagia then practicaly whats good for the game

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i remember playing and ppl were already going to zybez

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then trading post

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lot of ppl just had ahk type bots

covert prawn
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This is one of those "You think you want it, but you don't" kind of things

cyan magnet
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people had it and choose to get rid of it lol

covert prawn
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Also we have autochat built in to the game now but nobody can see it by default so rarely anyone can use it effectively

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Right click Public

cyan magnet
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like im not gona lie there is something very nostalgic about player player trading. but logically it just makes game more of a chore/bs. spend more time trying to buy and sell things then play game

green holly
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what problem does removing the GE actually solve

cyan magnet
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its not logical. think ppl just want it for nostalgic reasons

covert prawn
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It creates a problem, and revives player to player trading, which would be about as nostalgic as RSC sleeping to reduce fatigue

green holly
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player to player trading, as previously stated, never works. many games have it, and they never work. it always ends up being forum trading

cyan magnet
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ye reviving player to player trading is a flaw. its a worse system objectively

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it actually creates problem like cami said

green holly
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p2p trading still currently exists

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if it was better than GE it would be used

cyan magnet
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even with tax i dont see ppl going out of there way to buy tbow etc player to player

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time hassle isint even worth for someone at that stage cuz they have acess to 5m+hour

green holly
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new money maker. buy tbows at a margin thats profitable to sell p2p for you and profitable for someone to buy from ge and sell to you

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infinite money glitch (note this doesnt ever work obviously)

covert prawn
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I'll probably do P2P for a Tbow or other 1bil+ item for the seller's sake, but still I'd leave an offer up on a discord server for trading rather than spam in Varrock's west bank / GE W302

green holly
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god imagine the botting

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its bad enough as is

cyan magnet
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he deleted post but wat was his points exactly?

green holly
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who do you think can trade their 30k molten glass easier, you, or someone who doesnt have to sleep

cyan magnet
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for no ge

green holly
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no idea. there is just kinda no argument. Clearly p2p isnt good cause well, its still there and not used. And you can just play ironman to opt out of it. or you can just opt out of it and not use it

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so imo literally no meaningful argument can be made

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like its literally why i play IM. The fact GE exists makes me not care about item drops, just GP. Meaning the GE was the be all end all, and it being there was overcentralizing for me. Why get 85 slayer for a whip when i can thieve ardy knight for one

covert prawn
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P2P is still useful for getting around the trade limit, like bulk trading but there's a discord dedicated to trading there and they go off of GE prices + a small extra fee of like 5% for the convenience added by the seller

green holly
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that and non GE tradables like burnts

cyan magnet
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true tbh that is a big one

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ppl still also p2p for items above ge limit

covert prawn
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GE stabilizes the prices by doubling as a price guide

cyan magnet
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like 3a pickaxe etc

green holly
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High Alch also kinda keeps the economy in a certain forced minimum

covert prawn
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True though it also bring a lot of gold into the economy when monsters and bosses drop alchables, if there wasn't alchemy or the couple of stores that buy it at high alch value then the price would drop around to whichever next NPC shops buy them the highest

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Money that the 1% GE tax steadily chips away at

green holly
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just add the coin gun from terraria to osrs, gp sink solved, economy is perfect

covert prawn
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They could build a gold sink anywhere the community has constant arguments over, paying to vote on how/if it should work

Pay a billion to shut the GE down on a world, pay another billion to open it back up

cyan magnet
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typically those sinks are negative to player sadly

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like tax is good for game but ppl dont want it cuz it hurts them

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or death fees at dt2 being gravestone -500k

covert prawn
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Yeah that one is nuts

green holly
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i mean i think those are negative gold sinks

covert prawn
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But for GE's tax they're not seeing that it helps keep things from raising in price out of control due to the surplus GP everyone would have, not to mention the item sink it's hooked into where GE tax works as a bank to buy certain items

green holly
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something that actually gives the player some form of benefit

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like ZMI, but you can pay 1m/h for a faster route

cyan magnet
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of having to powercreep game to sink stuff that way

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just depends ig for new content they definitly could do more stuff

green holly
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people will pay a ton for QoL stuff

cyan magnet
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like blast furnace

green holly
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like 1mil for perma entrance to stuff like the brimhaven dungeon

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people do that even though you need to enter something like 10k times for that to pay off

cyan magnet
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ye bank space one is insane

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what is it for last upgrade like 500m?

covert prawn
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If i could pay like 10k per warp straight to the ZMI altar I might, if it's on par with efficient lava runes for XP

Some people might go 25k I'm a little less rich

covert prawn