#We need a Runescape themed Mmo

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sturdy mirage
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Seriously with all the new content coming out it's feeling less and less like a MMO and more like a solo play game that has people running past you. Whats up with so many content needing to be soloable nowadays

grave olive
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i feel you i think jagex has 100% been making teamplay optional

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toa was actively made to be soloable which I still feel like was a mistake

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there is alot of reason to do stuff with other people but its a hassle and you always have to many also viable solo options

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probaly just caters to wider amount of people having option to solo

sturdy mirage
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Nothing wrong with group content needing people to do it with

grave olive
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i think its still important to have solo content but at same there needs to be group content as well

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think new rat boss is gona be groupable but also soloable

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they gotta gatekeep for sure it is an mmo some content should require ppl to clear or do

gloomy zealot
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i agree that we need more team stuff, i dont mind a solo option but it just needs to be harder than the team version for a team environment to be a thing

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but i guess from a design stand point solo is going to allow for the most accessible version of the content, which seems to be a focus of theirs

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not having to wait for a team to be available , or being able to play as bad as you want without trolling a team seems to be a big thing for a lot of players

grave olive
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i feel like adding solo option is what makes it not be team content

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if u dont need a team then whats the point

grave olive
upbeat kettle
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OSRS has never really been an mmo with much group content tbh

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i do think we need more good group content (mass minigames dont count)

gloomy zealot
sturdy mirage
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talking like you definitely need a team and solos would be something like solo tob

grave olive
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ye but thats key diffrence imo cox/gwd werent intended to be soloable at all so they tend to be harder as solo regardless

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and im fine if ppl come up with ways to solo something that isint designed to be soloable

upbeat kettle
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i dont mind soloing being possible as long as its significantly more difficult, or potentially less efficient

grave olive
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but designing it to be soloable from get go is just diffrent

upbeat kettle
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afaik the main problem with toa is that there are barely any real group mechanics

grave olive
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thats probaly partially due to it also needing to be soloable

upbeat kettle
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and doing it in a team is basically like doing several solos at the same time ie the mass skilling minigame problem

grave olive
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mechanics have to work in solo but also team that doesint mix well

sinful garden
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i thought this was gonna be a meme but i agree kinda. people are really antisocial

sturdy mirage
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but you know its true

sleek brook
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They should think about adding world boss.

sturdy mirage
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for a world boss in deep deep wilderness

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its supposed to be a world boss

sleek brook
sturdy mirage
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its where

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u cant even tp out

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kekw holy clan control maccaroni

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its really cool tho

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i like the idea

sleek brook
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But I don’t think first world boss should be in wilderness because otherwise it will be pvp content again.

gloomy zealot
sleek brook
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Not everyone will go there with all endgame gear

gloomy zealot
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tbh breaches worked well in DMM

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it just needs to be in a place a random noob might not get caught in

sleek brook
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They should release world boss on next dmm and see how it go

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Also, rework castle war

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Castle was popular like maybe 6-7 year ago? I forgot, been long time. It was fun before but now look dead.

sturdy mirage
winter horizon
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Need more tob like content tbh

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There’s a group mid boss coming out and then a solo (?) colosseum

sturdy mirage
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No way this game should limit itself to group content. It should always be optional. Have you met the community? The new dungeons might have a group oriented feature, other than that, look at Classic WoW. It's dead and you can't do anything.

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I have 1 friend who plays this game, and we mostly play solo until we do a boss together. Otherwise I'm asking if anyone wants to do bosses, and the answer is mostly the same. People don't actually care about group content, they just want good rewards and riches and people to show off to. Have you met people on the internet? They're degenerate. Kalphite King is a world boss in RS3 but good luck finding anyone for that now.

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Start building a time machine to 2007 where there weren't just societal rejects on the internet, or reconnect with your old friends to do content. You don't want to do content with strangers who just argue or troll for content.

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Mobile is the perfect opportunity to get people you know into the game, but playing with strangers ALWAYS sucked.

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Go to World 301 Barbarian Village and fish there for a couple days and you'll remember what doing content with people you didn't know was like.

sturdy mirage
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i think its alright

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only people who refuse to put any effort into the team and then whines usually call people toxic

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for the most part

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if you keep meeting toxic players, i think you're the problem

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Well I'm happy playing solo and it still feels like an MMO to me, so maybe your idea is the problem.

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When I feel like doing a boss I ask people I know IRL

sturdy mirage
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i think the term u mean is

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rpg

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which could be for solo games like skyrim or something

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Nah, go play sematics with someone else lmfao

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or go make some friends

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i go do group content with people lots

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lmao

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avoid people and not doing group content

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"and talking about having friends" wtf

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All content in OSRS is soloable except minigames and 2 quests

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thats the complete opposite

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i want group content so ur forced to make friends

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to work as a team

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yet ur playing solo and telling people to make friends

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Meet strangers on the internet and call them your friends is piss poor logic

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ironic

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I play with chat off and it still feels like an MMO to me

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If someone isn't saying some abhorrent disgusting shit they're talking about their fetish. I don't need to be forced to group with these people. Sure, future bosses and dungeons and raids should have an option to do with others. But saying, "go meet people" on the internet is laughable.

winter horizon
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Never said it should limit itself to group content. There needs to be more group content is all. A good amount of people get into group bossing and raids and having a lil more variety is always good

sturdy mirage
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For the most part its been solo content

winter horizon
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It's why clans are a big part of the social aspect of this game

sturdy mirage
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we need more pure group content

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There it is ^

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"pure group content"

winter horizon
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There's nothing wrong with that

sturdy mirage
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What's wrong with that is when you don't have players to do it with

winter horizon
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That's a make friends, join a clan, or use a specific discord server type of angle

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There's so many resources nowadays

sturdy mirage
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Good luck with that

winter horizon
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I'm having good luck with that as are my friends and my cc lmao

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We want more variety is all

sturdy mirage
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Yet you want to come on social media and exclude people who play solo

winter horizon
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I never said that

sturdy mirage
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So you can feel special

winter horizon
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You're going in a random direction

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There's already so much solo content wws

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Plus many are making iron type of accounts which are mainly solo

sturdy mirage
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Most bosses are group content but only 1 person gets the loot. RS3 solved this by making group loot and auto-sellable drops with a coin split at the end, and people still found a way to scam eachother

winter horizon
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That's just unfortunate

gloomy zealot
sturdy mirage
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You're not even sticking to your guns. You want more "pure group content" that can't be done solo because "this is an MMO"

gloomy zealot
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its like saying a boss being solo only is excluding people who want to play in teams

winter horizon
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You're confusing me and the other guy

sturdy mirage
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You're agreeing with the other guy

gloomy zealot
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people just want content dedicated to a team , so that the mechanics will be designed for a team

winter horizon
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For the most part yes because but you're confusing our words

gloomy zealot
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something like tob where it scales down to 3 people

sturdy mirage
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Like GoTR where no one does the mechanics and 5 times out of 10 the game fails because everyone is a leech?! LMFAO

winter horizon
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That's a botting issue

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Get into a human game and you win 9/10

gloomy zealot
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^ thats an example of mass bots + 200 people will never organise

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but something like dmm breaches won't have that issue. or team content capped at a normal number like 10

winter horizon
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Also no one said we want to get rid of solo content. There needs to be balance is all

gloomy zealot
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^

winter horizon
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I've done plently of solo content as well as team content and the latter is either dull or slacking

sturdy mirage
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so you know when to change teammates if one doesnt wanna try

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/you dont get along with

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"Seriously with all the new content coming out it's feeling less and less like a MMO and more like a solo play game that has people running past you. Whats up with so many content needing to be soloable nowadays"

  • people run past you because you don't matter
  • content needs to be soloable because the game dies when everyone moves on
  • it doesn't feel like an MMO because millions of people aren't playing MMOs anymore
gloomy zealot
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making something that scales caters to solo has had negative effects on recent content to be fair

winter horizon
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People also run by and start up convos with people lmao

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Like you do understand how an mmo works ye

sturdy mirage
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get a life

winter horizon
gloomy zealot
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groups of experienced raiders have noticed stuff like toa does not scale well and the mechanics barely change from solo to group.

wilderness bosses having solo variants nearly as good as multi have killed off activity for a lot of clans

sturdy mirage
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youre probably 13

gloomy zealot
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?

winter horizon
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LOL

sturdy mirage
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why am i even bothering

gloomy zealot
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yeah this guy is trolling surely

winter horizon
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Yeah avg projection

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wcyd

gloomy zealot
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i've never seen someone get so upset because people want to have group content

winter horizon
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Legit no one said to remove solo content

sturdy mirage
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The guy you're agreeing with did

gloomy zealot
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they wanted team dedicated content

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same way DT was 4 bosses dedicated to solo

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you can have a mix over a year of releases

sturdy mirage
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team dedicated content dies when people die

winter horizon
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What

gloomy zealot
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rephrase that please?

sturdy mirage
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I'm talking to 3 fucking people at once LOL and theyre all talking about different things

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Social Media

winter horizon
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No? You're def just not able to discuss properly like a human

gloomy zealot
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yeah bro your not a victim

winter horizon
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Quite unfortunate

gloomy zealot
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you just threw out a scentence that made no sense

sturdy mirage
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fuck you and your group only content

winter horizon
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Actual gold

gloomy zealot
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when people die they are dead. poetry tbh

sturdy mirage
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youre 13

winter horizon
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projectinggg

sturdy mirage
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you dont matter

gloomy zealot
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whose alt is this

winter horizon
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mobby

gloomy zealot
sturdy mirage
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you wont be playing this game forever

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dont ruin it for everyone before you leave

gloomy zealot
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so your argument is that only solo content is needed so that when everyone who plays the game dies and your the last one left

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you can pot osrs by yourself

winter horizon
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LMAO

sturdy mirage
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some 13 year old troll

gloomy zealot
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you seem very desperate for us to be 13

winter horizon
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Thanks for revealing yourself

sturdy mirage
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wait

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he reminds me of this guy

sturdy mirage
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i think he might be alting

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king redditor and master of pretending to be an adult on the internet

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he hasnt said a thing since that day

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pretty odd

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ANYwho

gloomy zealot
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yeah tbh that account was made yesterday

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just someone who can't socialise making alts, should probably ignore

sturdy mirage
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i called him out on it and he got toxic

gloomy zealot
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they probably can be called late game bosses tbh

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but they do not requrie max gear at all

sturdy mirage
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i think awakened ones are the end game ones... anyhow

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off topic here

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we want more group content!

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riot for group content!

gloomy zealot
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you wouldnt want to grind them on mid 80 stats and mid pvm experience

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but yeah

sturdy mirage
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but hydra is 95 slayer and it feels like a mid level boss

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it just has a brickwall

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of a skill requirement

gloomy zealot
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dragons are a weird one since we have so many dragon killing weapons

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so idk

sturdy mirage
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i guess so

gloomy zealot
sturdy mirage
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very important

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its a social game after all

gloomy zealot
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more group , and personally more clan based events

sturdy mirage
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no social interaction in a mmo

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might kill the game in a sense

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like as in everyone just keeps to themselves

gloomy zealot
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yeah , most communities i found have been through discord. and only because i was looking for group content

sturdy mirage
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yea but if there isnt enough group content...

gloomy zealot
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in game communities are less of a thing when your journey is 80% solo

sturdy mirage
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no need to look

sturdy mirage
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besides just chit chatting while solo bossing

grave olive
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dont think anyone wants to abolish solo content entirely

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some of best content is solo ex. inferno solo chambers awakend bosses

gloomy zealot
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they are desperate to be oppressed so they're acting like we want 0 solo content ever again

grave olive
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ye its a bit extreme lol dont think anyone saying that

sturdy mirage
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they dont want

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a single group content in the game

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not one

grave olive
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i respect their opinion but strongly disagree

sturdy mirage
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at that point go play some skyrim

grave olive
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this game is a mmo

sturdy mirage
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idk what his point was

grave olive
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ive been through toxicity my god learning tob was one of worst things

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noone takes you on teams stand by board hoping to get taken for hours

gloomy zealot
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0-50kc tob hell feelsroqman

sturdy mirage
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So I have, unironically i enjoyed the process

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so many 416s..

grave olive
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but it should exist imo

sturdy mirage
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it reminds me of grinding out ranked in alot of other games

gloomy zealot
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over 50kc and tob ebcomes a really good experience

sturdy mirage
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xd

gloomy zealot
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but then the answer to that is better team finding and match making systems

sturdy mirage
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"Group content will kill osrs" meanwhile every popular game is group content

gloomy zealot
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not gutting the content and making it solo

grave olive
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if you perservere you will get tob kc/like the content

sturdy mirage
grave olive
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and if u cant stand it just dont do it

sturdy mirage
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it would be back to square one

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if i see "xxxninjaproxx" troll from last raid

gloomy zealot
sturdy mirage
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and i just resign

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that would fix nothing imo

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i think people just need to step foot into it and give it a go

gloomy zealot
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post 50kc there is a consistent level of skill which makes it fine

sturdy mirage
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srsly

gloomy zealot
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but 0-50 is just a nightmare

sturdy mirage
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i dont disagree that its a nightmare

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but the learning process really does make you know who to look out for

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do u want the guy who grinded out their first 15 kc by carrying/going hard

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or the guy that got 150 kc but his clan carried him while he sat in a cage

grave olive
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in general i hate that aspect of team content but its essence of it

sturdy mirage
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anyhow a proper system isnt gonna solve if people just ditch

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if they see a recent person they got griefed by

grave olive
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everyone is gona say carried and tbh noone gets through tob by themself

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solo is very simple to see skill its all you

sturdy mirage
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you carried yes?

grave olive
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ye ofc u can get carried but like its a team effort

sturdy mirage
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but thats also why its so good

grave olive
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everyone gona feel like they played their part better

sturdy mirage
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teamwork is so fun when it works out

grave olive
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its easy to blame others instead of ur self in teams as an excuse is what im saying

sturdy mirage
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Ive taken learners in the past where their first 25 kc was just sitting in a cage p2 verzik

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so people grinding out from the ground up

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def a difference

sturdy mirage
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like any sort of team related game

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thats the issue

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but yet its the most popular genre so i dont think forced group content will kill the game

grave olive
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as long as theres a balance i think it works out

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can do good solo content ideally while u wait to make teams/friends

sturdy mirage
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i can agree with that

sleek brook
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They should make a raid for group, the more player you got in party. The better rate of money making.

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Not the rate in item drop but rate in money per hour.

low hedge
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Solo option is nice to have, especially when not many players are online

sturdy mirage
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if its solo it has to be hard

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make it so its not meant for solos but u can manip the pattern to do the solo

reef salmon
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RuneScape is labelled as an MMO, but in reality it doesn't really function like one. And to some extent, it shouldn't. It's a game where players deeply care about their progress, and don't want their own progress to be dependent on others (and vice versa; you don't want others' progress to be dependent on themselves). Which I think makes sense - you don't want to feel guilty, and want to be able to train on your own time.

I'd say that even though there should be more group content, it needs to always be solo-able somehow. I haven't really done any raids, so I can't provide a lot of input, but CoX solo being more difficult might be a good thing, might be a bad thing. I think there are pros and cons to that, and what choice is made has to be based on the content you're going for.

I'd also be a bit skeptical about group content, solely due to how people interact with each other. There are lots of toxic or just plain weird players in the community (somehow), which I don't think is the fault of a normal player doing an activity. That makes it difficult to make friends in-game, especially with limited internal tools. So I wouldn't want players to feel forced to make friends, especially with certain kinds of players existing.

In short: solo + group content if it involves progression; group only content is ok if it doesn't; probably focus on further features for increased community communication, and add more matchmaking in activities.

upbeat kettle
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or do LFGs

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or use WDR

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or just fucking play any of thr other five thousand bosses you can do solo

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tob is mandatory group content and its the best raid jagex ever made

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meanwhile toa was designed for solo and its unbalanced and has a low skill ceiling

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the classic wow comparison is also stupid for obvious reasons

sturdy mirage
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toxic players dont appear often

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seeing how you havent even done that yet

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how do you know

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toa also proved that solo+group content mixed in was a mistake

reef salmon
# sturdy mirage how do you know

My experience comes from participating in group content which isn't raids. So minigames auch as GotR, for example.

I might be using a loose definition of toxic, but generally the players I see talking in the chat are quite weird, and I honestly would not want to be friends with them based on what they say.

sinful garden
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sadly theyre right, every time im in a spot where people are talking theyre saying something abhorrent or just weird. i turned off public chat over it. maybe the solo-only people should have siloed instanced worlds that way theyre cut off from the not antisocial people and the community who likes interacting with people can be healthier

sturdy mirage
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when u look for like minded team content with team sizes that are like 4-5 mans at best

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u can pick and choose your groups

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mass skilling group content isnt exactly proper display of that since there is a standard needed to be met to even do raids

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that standard needing to be met already filters out alot of weird people

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wt and gotr is just a shit show

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best part about raids is that you can go into lfr raids, pick and choose who you make friends with and just go with the same people you vibe with especially when team sizes generally are around 3-5 @reef salmon

reef salmon
sturdy mirage
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also having a standard helps

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because most of the toxic griefers are undergeared

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and also listens to no one

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very easy to blacklist and avoid

upbeat kettle
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you just go to room 1 and say what role you wanna do until someone invites you

reef salmon
upbeat kettle
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why, it works fine

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if you dont wanna wait just make a team yourself

reef salmon
# upbeat kettle why, it works fine

Personally I don't think so. And I would rather less rely on things such as calling out roles, or clan chats, and instead rely on things more dedicated within the content.

For example, something like a Grouping Obelisk can help see what parties are being formed. It could also help in making parties of certain difficulties; perhaps some parties want to do a test run, for example. Or perhaps some players want to be automatically matchmade.

upbeat kettle
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if ba had something like this it would still require calling out roles

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like

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you would still need to communicate with people to determine the role they're gonna do

reef salmon
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Not if the interface were tailored to BA.

upbeat kettle
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i guess?

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in the end it works just fine the way it is though

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and group content that isn't shit or basically just single player content is always gonna require actualy communication in the end

reef salmon
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Solo gameplay tends to be more approachable, as all the pressure/requirements/etc. is just down to you, meaning you can go at your own pace, and learn at your own rate.

upbeat kettle
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the problem is that this approach has resulted in a ton of group content which is not actually group content

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like every mass minigame

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not group content

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it has also resulted in the spectacular failure of toa's balancing

reef salmon
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If it's the case that there should be some content which is group only, I'd still say that there needs to be some way for that content to have some approachability that is of a similar standard as solo content.

In other words, I think there needs to be some work into making getting into group content easier for players. Otherwise I can't see why anyone would want to do content which is difficult to get into.

upbeat kettle
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even if mass minigames were group only they would still be singleplayer content

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mass minigames are singleplayer content because all of them require 0 coordination

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most of them dont even have meaningful small-team modes

reef salmon
upbeat kettle
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see volcanic mine for example

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plenty of people do group cox or tob as well

sturdy mirage
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It’s been years

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5 to 6

upbeat kettle
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endlessly catering to people who are afraid of learning anything will just make you put out content which is boring and requires no learning

sturdy mirage
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Last few years of content is all soloable

reef salmon
# upbeat kettle see volcanic mine for example

Yeah I was about the mention Volcanic Mine. That's great group skilling content, but is fairly unapproachable, I'd say.

So it's good to see the devs mention in the last update that they want to tackle that

upbeat kettle
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how is it unapproachable though

sturdy mirage
upbeat kettle
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i feel like the way they're gonna make it "more approachable" is just by making it massable

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and then it will just be miningtodt

reef salmon
upbeat kettle
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like yeah making groups requires coordination

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thats unavoidable

sturdy mirage
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A lot of people use it to find teams

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I found plenty while learning

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And they even teach it too

upbeat kettle
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and besides

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once you actually make friends in game

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u no longer need discord to find groups

sturdy mirage
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Doing public group content Is used to look for people that have the same interests as you

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It’s very good

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Typically people who throw out the “toxic” phrase usually don’t listen

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And say they will do whatever they want

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And then be surprised that nobody wants to go with them

reef salmon
upbeat kettle
reef salmon
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As in: if the player has to do that, then it's a failure of the game, rather than the player.

reef salmon
upbeat kettle
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yeah thats why i said take some friends and figure it out

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or go to vm world and ask if anyone wants to help you

sturdy mirage
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Most people resort to third-party voice

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Unless you rather have RuneScape Get voice chats

reef salmon
# sturdy mirage Communication in game is pretty difficult

That's kind of my whole point. I don't have a problem with more group content. But the way to get players from whatever state OSRS is right now, to a state where players find getting into groups to be approachable and accessible - that needs to happen first.

Otherwise it's like trying to run before you can walk.

upbeat kettle
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if they added a matchmaking board to vm everybody would still use the discord because nobody wants to team with people who dont know what theyre doing

sturdy mirage
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And the problem with auto party like in a lot of MMO is that if I get trolled by one person and I see him again I’ll just leave

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You would still end up going with people you wanna go with

reef salmon
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As far as I know, Volcanic Mine isn't good with this. And the BA tutorial is pretty shoddy.

Whereas GotR at least has a mediocre tutorial.

upbeat kettle
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the ingame tutorial is never going to explain the meta strats

sturdy mirage
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And if they are trolling, I just leave

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That will just create the same problem

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Even if they aren’t trolling and they are new

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It will seem that way and people might even blacklist them

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That’s why discord servers exist so the people who are learning can let other people know they are learning

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So they won’t get yelled at or at least as much

reef salmon
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Then something like what's happening in the Discord needs to happen within the game. Otherwise I can't see anyone wanting to do group content that can only reasonably be done using some other program.

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Either a solo version, or Discord-esque helpful facilities, or something else that I have no idea what would be.

upbeat kettle
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jagex is not going to put explanations for meta strats into the game

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especially because they often dont know how these work themselves anyway

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its just the same as any other boss: you look up a guide on youtube or the wiki if you care about doing it right or efficiently

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and else you just fuck around and figure it out yourself

reef salmon
upbeat kettle
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anyway have the things you suggest ever worked in any mmo

sturdy mirage
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That’s why we need some pure group Content

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Being required to do your own part, makes it very satisfying

reef salmon
upbeat kettle
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thats the trick, most group content is already pretty approachable. maybe with exception of tob if you dont have any tobber friends

sturdy mirage
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I’m not gonna lie

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Someone told me they were going to teach me group content and they never got around to it

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It’s been seven years

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I decided just to look for it, and it was really fast

sturdy mirage
dark vigil
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The problem with team based content is pubs can be a shitshow. And trying to find a consistent team can be a pain in the ass and also schedule conflicts.

sturdy mirage
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tbh

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People that do give a crap will end up in the same team

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So people who don’t care or vibe with people who don’t care to be efficient

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And people who do care with people who do care

dark vigil
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There is also the aspect of people wanting to be alone among others.

Like being at the office. Doing your thing by yourself, but also having people around you. Those may also be doing their own thing by themselves, and the others working together.

sturdy mirage
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Im asking for more pure group content

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just this once jagex

dark vigil
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The MM part of MMOs IMO has been dead for years in general.

sturdy mirage
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we need some of it

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doesnt mean everything has to be soloscape

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Tob is popular for that reason, thats why barb assault is popular

dark vigil
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Barb Assault is popular?

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I feel most people there just go in for the Diary and Torso and leave.

sturdy mirage
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yea 100%

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theres a whole community behind it

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even beyond boosting

dark vigil
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I personally do like Barb Assault. Not enough to be a tryhard for it though

sturdy mirage
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people who get into it really get into it, we definitely need some pure group teamwork content sprinkled in here and here. Its why pvp games are so popular, its all about that teamwork even if its a bit stressful

dark vigil
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That's always the downfall of team based games and content

sturdy mirage
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But it is popular, i think its fair to have a balance

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otherwise if its soloscape you might as well go play skyrim or something

final raven
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While I agree, imo the best path forward is to allow soloing most content but give a clear advantage to forming teams (ie. group toa should be 1.5x purple drop rate or more compared to solo)

upbeat kettle
sturdy mirage
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solo second

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solo should be far harder like how cox is

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and with much less odds of gp

sinful garden
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agree

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the “MM” part of MMORPG should be incentivized

sturdy mirage
sinful garden
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smh mh

gloomy zealot
sturdy mirage
sinful garden
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speaking of being a loner and not liking other people i know it’s for server load or whatever but every time i join a populated world and the game tells me “there are a lot of people here, consider switching to a quieter world” i laugh

sturdy mirage
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I dont enjoy the general public as much

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some conversations are wild

sinful garden
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same

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love going to an ardy knights splash world as two turbonerds talk about eugenics while stealing gold pouches 😌

sturdy mirage
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i dont mind group content and I do actually do them but usually i go with people with standards

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so usually toxic mfers already get weeded out

sinful garden
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yeah

raven cape
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its always such a meme when ppl start up and they ask if there are things they can do with others
and its p much a no every time lol... we really need group content

mellow pagoda
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yep, for an mmo the game's too solitary

sturdy mirage
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but no team content

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and team content recently feels like solo+

raven cape
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now taht you mention it goofy ass idea

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have a gauntlet like thing where you need to do it as a duo/trio preferably for me duo where you work on like two different maps and then tp to the same room to fight a boss

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could have enhanced crystal seed be 1/250 so the ironmemes can stop going as dry too kekw tho them working together is worse than going dry

sturdy mirage
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55 minutes

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of perfect tick eating like tob

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to prevent solos

raven cape
# sturdy mirage just make the solo level like

would be hilarious but
all you have to do is that each side has unique things that are required to do it
alternative is gutting your dmg or just deny entry as you should and let the sweats cope

sinful garden
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if dungeoneering were added as a team minigame it could be fun

raven cape
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never played rs3 and whatnot so i wouldnt know
but since gauntlet is a thing and ppl red prison hurpudur
its kind of like 2 birds with one stone imo

sinful garden
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i am ready to be crucified by the nors3 people😌

raven cape
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without affecting stuff too much

raven cape
sinful garden
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lol

gloomy zealot
raven cape
upbeat kettle
gloomy zealot
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I guess back in the day , pest control or BA would be the first time you get to play with others

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Since people used to camp that for fun

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Or Castle wars

upbeat kettle
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back in the day you could also just talk with ppl anywhere more or less

gloomy zealot
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True

upbeat kettle
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like old old rs was basically just a chatroom

raven cape
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pest control is mass so wouldnt count it BA is shite if its randoms sadly
as is worthless in my eyes

upbeat kettle
gloomy zealot
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I mean back when torso was BIS

upbeat kettle
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except ppl dont talk anymore nowadays

gloomy zealot
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Ba had higher levels and lower levels all running

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But yeah , these days you're not gonna be playing with late game players unless it's raids or nex

grave olive