why
#Raids? How about Dungeons?
silk valve
nova zealot
For casuals idiot
silk valve
why
nova zealot
because I pay your way
Sorry, JK
I wanna feel like I'm doing a raid, but I don't want to try as hard
silk valve
yeah I guess there should be more mid level group content in the game
theres always [[gwd]]
eager kettleBOT
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sick fog
[[cox]]
eager kettleBOT
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nova zealot
Thats a raid
Too tryhard
If I wanted to raid, I'd raid. I want to relax (possibly with the boys) and do some content that doesn't require a lot of brainpower. Obor isn't free. Jad isn't free. Just less effort required than a raid.
versed tundra
[[the gauntlet]]
eager kettleBOT
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nova zealot
moar
nova zealot
cox is a raid
nova zealot
Yes
alpine pasture
Toa
nova zealot
No
nova zealot
I updated post
alpine pasture
An intro raid
Tbf toa was made for that exact reason
0 raid lvl is basically what you described
sick fog
cox is so chill bro
snow grotto
More like going trought nieves old ccave
Biggest bosses would be jad / obor tier mechanics
nova zealot
Wave mechanics?
snow grotto
Idk, doesnt rly make any sense to me
nova zealot
casual stuff
nova zealot
for u maybe
but for progression its fun
ur max i bet
a real grinder
smh
stereotype
alpine pasture
When you learn stuff it generally becomes easier. Cox becomes quite literally brain off in teams. Toa was made for the shit you mentioned so it’s not really gonna get easier than that for maybe a year or two (or never)
For progression jad is quite literally the gateway into bossing (switching overheads)
nova zealot
You tell me, after all that grinding, you don't wanna feel like a Dig Bick Chad?
alpine pasture
No
alpine pasture
nova zealot
go get a real hobby, and leave games for having fun
or start a stream and make money selling ur soul
ez 👋
snow grotto
but for progression its fun
How does this differ from basic slayer
You just teleport between places in slayer
nova zealot
slayer is just grind. I hear people bitching about slayer all the time
snow grotto
How does dungeon not be a grind then
nova zealot
Is raids a grind?
snow grotto
Or did you mean its only obor level bossss
nova zealot
Obor through Jad across multiple levels of skill challenge
snow grotto
Becayse i understood it would be obor tier boss with tons of slayer tier content mixed in
molten rampart
i think this is a fine idea but idk hm dev time i want for adamant scimtar raids
nova zealot
i think this is a fine idea but idk hm dev time i want for adamant scimtar raids
non tradables
snow grotto
Obor through Jad across multiple levels of skill challenge
Wdym skill challange, like toa puzzle or basic level checks
snow grotto
i think this is a fine idea but idk hm dev time i want for adamant scimtar raids
Just make designs for couple wat chief goblins
Can use it to testbed new attacks or mechanics idk
Or just reuse old things
No pets
No coll logs
nova zealot
yeah no pets no coll logs
just fun
every day of every minute, fun
bosses, rare loot, fun, chilling with the homies, fun
but also epic loot maybe
non obligatory
just a little something something
molten rampart
if this turns out to just be a hub for social aspect/low value idk if anyone would actually go there
molten rampart
what do u identify as mid tier
nova zealot
Obor through Jad
nova zealot
I do Obor but I don't like grinding for keys
molten rampart
ppl do jad for cape/xp which is a diffrence incentivive
nova zealot
I just mage only'd jad today. Was fun.
Obor is fun because he's weak and I just throw my ween on the table and roll
molten rampart
ik but hes not worth doing at all
nova zealot
Jad is fun because; decent boss, decent loot
molten rampart
and the whole key mechanic makes it worse
molten rampart
i get what ur saying
just creating good early/med lvl contnet that viable is just hard
look at sarachnis
alpine pasture
You sound young tbh and if you’re looking for that niche, it’s kinda hard with slayer out
nova zealot
But look at Muspa. Mid-High tier boss. good loot.
alpine pasture
There’s just way too many mid tier bosses atm
molten rampart
it mostly just turns into being useless content that noone does cuz not rewarding enough
zulrah dead as well
alpine pasture
A lot of mid tier bosses barely have mechanics
nova zealot
You sound young tbh and if you’re looking for that niche, it’s kinda hard with s...
I'm 30
alpine pasture
Guess it’s something that can be done for f2p type things but people generally like the grind
nova zealot
Bosses like Obor are easy to make
but what if it were like a raid, with 3 bosses per dungeon, and with untradable rare loot
doesn't need to be good loot
alpine pasture
It would be dead content because it’s untradeable
alpine pasture
Most content that offers untradeables are generally 1 and done, besides cms/hmt (which folks don’t like usually)
nova zealot
thread of elidinis isn't dead
alpine pasture
You only need 1
snow grotto
Not for new nth cape
nova zealot
to a f2p n00b, the Club is a huge weapon
alpine pasture
The only thing they listed that would maybe come into a game is a triple rat boss for f2p
alpine pasture
That would be around what you’re looking for minus the dungeon
nova zealot
rotted rat > lifesteal rat > magic infused rat
f2p dungeon
in the sewers
Do we want this?
nova zealot
The rat dungeon drops a blood lifesteal ring, 25% change to steal 2 HP when in melee. F2P
???
snow grotto
Thats op af
snow grotto
Might actually out heal bloodfury
snow grotto
What
nova zealot
ez 👏
nova zealot
alpine pasture
And calling yourself casual?
True
snow grotto
Idk dungeons sounds like good update to slayer
From low to high intensity combat, bit of rng on what you get
But no dull grind, but bit of a grind then a boss fight
Or it could go horribly
molten rampart
depends on execution ye
maybe im to based but if its a low-low med lvl update its gona not be fun imo
silk valve
all i want is content that is braindead easy but also fun to do that I can do with my mates except it should also be soloable and it shouldn't be grindy but also it should have expensive rare loot
why cant jagex do this???
lyric meteor
it will die instantly thanks to bots dead content already
lament belfry
all i want is content that is braindead easy but also fun to do that I can do wi...
I mean we get almost the exact opposite, convoluted bosses that are solo only or solo efficient that either poop powerful gear consistently or have very rare mediocre upgrades
Might as well try to spice it up with some balanced drop rates for the power level ya know
snow grotto
No way
molten rampart
all i want is content that is braindead easy but also fun to do that I can do wi...
toa
sick fog
now since you can solo gwd easy, they should scale death timers with how mnay peaople are in the room!
sick fog
they should rework java
silk valve
they should rework dn
molten rampart
but can send with mates easily
silk valve
just make it mandatory group content tbh
molten rampart
its like duo nex/duo tob for me while they might better just to slow for getting drops
they should have its a RAID
silk valve
and then have it be aimed at like 85 combat level and mediocre rewards but big drops per clear bc it takes long
molten rampart
designing it to be solo was mistake imo
silk valve
that would probably satisfy most ppl
molten rampart
but like what rewards can u give
well tbh even if something is not worth doing those players will do it
cuz they want to try stuff
i mean tbh i was expecting it to be like this and idm but woulda been cool ye
i think in future they should have some post quest bosses unlocked that u never encountered in quest
silent zenith
I saw Slayer thrown a few times. Honestly, I want to see more Slayer creatures out in the wild than all centralized into a linear progression dungeon. Of course, in a suitable environment
The Fremmenik Slayer Cave for example
snow grotto
Anything over normal slayer caves
silent zenith
It kind of irks me how stupid some dungeons in the game are. My above example is a prime one
What logic does that cave follow?
You have like a lizard thing
Then you have slugs
Eventually you have some fire elemental
And a slime
molten rampart
i mean tob inferno u had no idea what it was like u only saw it when u got there
fighting ez mode lets u see all mechanics and boss fight which is a big downside imo
silent zenith
I think we need more monsters in the open than all centralized into caves and stuff
Although that would be hard to retrofit into most of the existing landmass without drastic changes
But for new stuff, it would be nice
snow grotto
Slayer cave, thats multi, but all enemies have shit drops
versed forge
opal pulsar
theres always [[gwd]]
Agree with the GWD being mid game group content. Definitely how people did that when it came out.
But now everyone solos stuff. Doesn't help that there are very few formal grouping mechanics
Like RS3 had loot share, and raids have individual chests
But random bosses only work if you trust your partner(s) to split
nova zealot
raid like dungeons would be fun
No quest requirement, but maybe like locked behind some arbitrary thing. Brimhaven Dungeon costs money to get into if anyone doesnt remember. That one is solved. Maybe like Fremminik dungeon could be locked behind an unknown fairy ring code
Technically Daggonoth king trio is a dungeon, just not instanced
I guess I'm wanted instanced dungeons
that loot is split like raids and scaled like raids
barrows is technically a dungeon. barrows is huge content. just not very profitable. i saw someone with a shadow doing barrows just now though
nova zealot
Is raids a grind?
it is if ur grinding for drops
nova zealot
Obor through Jad
anything before qpc is early game everything after qpc is mid game hell we already had been given mid game updates the last 5 years
placid zenith
imma keep it a buck it really doesnt seem like you got much experience in the game
saying raids isnt a grind n shit
it seems to me youre just describing even easier raids which really doesnt make sense to me
like linear progression of boss to boss in a set order is just tob
pale barn
just from looking at their screenshare it's clear they're very new
pale barn
8m bank, using initiate armor not even proselyte
i don't know why they have the uim role if they're not even a uim
placid zenith
no lily he got virtus and a volly
afaik he was bragging about buying bonds for it
like i dont wanna be a dick or anything but theres no other way to put it than this is dumb
esp if shit only dropped untradeables it would give the player no reason to return to the content when they get the item they want
pale barn
placid zenith
wth
placid zenith
yeah
pale barn
i mean i don't really like shitting on new players, since my acc is also early game
placid zenith
yeah
pale barn
but you can't really be saying "we need a raid about the same difficulty as fight caves"
placid zenith
jad is like the easiest boss in the game mechanically
two attacks drastically different attack anims and 5 adds
pale barn
unironically, if fight caves was just jad and nothing else - no waves
would be easier to kill jad than obor
placid zenith
yep
pale barn
obor hits through prayer, you have to bring food or learn to kite
and it's not the easiest in the world either that fighting area is tiny as fuck
placid zenith
yea
it feels elitist to say but idk like
most people who give ideas (not just him in specific) who arent endulged in the game
usually have ideas that are either ripped from rs3 or just cater to like 1000 total players
pale barn
i mean i don't think it's inherently elitism
placid zenith
in my eyes the main point of early game is to get the fuck out of early game
pale barn
it's not a subjective point that new players generally make poorer suggestions
placid zenith
oh yeah im just saying that like
but like if youre a software dev and someone who doesnt do any of that shit has an idea more times than not its flawed or wrong
in the same sense as someone not experience in the game may make a suggestion that just wont hold up or we
but no this guy was in old school the other day bragging about being a bond warrior idk
pale barn
in the same sense as someone not experience in the game may make a suggestion th...
mhm
and i mean - making suggestions which are not the best, isn't always bad, sometimes it pushes you to learn why it's not a good idea and thus lets you gain some experience based on other players rather than strictly only giving opinions on what you and only you do
that being said - i do think that there comes a certain point where there's a threshold of understanding that you need, at the bare minimum
placid zenith
idk in my eyes this sums it up
in just inexperienced
raids are only sweaty if you make them sweaty
pale barn
i mean,
[14:51] OP 🐋 croutons 🐋: jad isn't dead
[14:52] OP 🐋 croutons 🐋: People do fire cape runs all the time
i don't even have a jad kc yet, but because of my experience elsewhere, i know that people do jad kills for reasons outside of 'i want a fire cape'
placid zenith
yeah
pale barn
e.g. skipping with nieve for efficient jad tasks for slayer
placid zenith
idk like i do inferno for fun
i used to do jad tasks for xp
cuz ez and chill
i occasionally do tob and watch a movie
pale barn
mhm
there is maybe 1 perspective that i can agree wtih croutons about cox being "too tryhard" but this is only one perspective out of many
and that's how cox is less dependent on gear and more about gen knowledge/pvm skill
a friend of mine can do cox with gear much worse than mine, just bc she has a shit ton of experience and it's like second nature to her basically
but you can chill and do raids with friends etc
placid zenith
i mean its too tryhard if youve never done it ig
but i dont think youre allowed to call something tryhard if youre still early game
pale barn
true
placid zenith
endgame content is harder ofc but like
you dont need to be cracked out of your mind for raids
pale barn
p much
placid zenith
idk im not letting the person with only barrows wt and soul wars kc tell me whats tryhard and whats not
pale barn
did they give an opinion on toa
placid zenith
prolly
pale barn
isnt toa literally built for people like them
near tide
he said obor to jad is mid game. thats enough reading down
placid zenith
LMAO
eager gate
pale barn
i mean
ok
tbh, the post kinda reads to me similar to how anodd talks about his gameplay
placid zenith
pale barn
my qualm is that this type of suggestion comes across as being from someone with no experience in pvm
but they'd have that experience if they didn't... skip it
like they bought a volatile with bonds, if they had bought just a whip, the gear to get into proselyte, some basic range/mage gear, and just sent low level pvm for better gear
they would have that experience
and they would be able to more accurately express what needs to be changed or added to the game
it affected the choice of wording too - like "would be as hard as the fight caves" doesn't mean too much if they're also suggesting a "metal dragon boss, baby dragon boss, and a fire giant boss"
if you exclude the fact that this sounds like a private server type beat, part of the difficulty of the fight caves is just knowing your rotation and not being in a situation where you have to eat 100 damage from the ranger with pray mage up
they're not really comparable pvm scenarios in that regard
or like, explaining what does or doesn't count as a "mechanic", saying that 'needing to cast crumble undead on a zombified spawn' is a mechanic
but then what is a mechanic really defined as if e.g. talking about monster spawns? are 3 different types of monsters (1 at a time) being spawned counted as 3 separate mechanics?
lusty anvil
imo, raids in osrs are like dungeons in other mmos cuz there about the same scale, maybe a bit more mechanical but ye
silk valve
But now everyone solos stuff. Doesn't help that there are very few formal groupi...
yeah we need gwd but with nex drop mechanics and with just more interesting boss mechanics in general
opal pulsar
It was a little disappointing that none of the new bosses were for groups
I think all the new, interesting mechanics bosses (outside of raids) have been solo only
snow grotto
Last
placid zenith
last
nova zealot
ym last
placid zenith
snow grotto
Brappin
tawny oriole
This would be cool. But then your just playing a grindier version of WOW
placid zenith
i think that little dungeons would be cool
like less fleshed out than raids for tiny ass rewards
i think j1mmy mentioned in his video like something between mithril and addy out of a dungeon
with some stupid simple boss mechanics and have that as purples
im not opposed to that tbh
especially if its the mid game boss that teaches endgame mehcanics
i think that if a boss comes out for midgame (even tho toa exists) i think it should be something that isnt meant to be camped for 10 trillion kc to skip the midgame like vorkath is
snow grotto
Problem with all sub 60 combats is the fact that those levels are sub 10% of the total grind
Thus mith to addy dungeon is basically one n done deal
And if you are p2p you insta skip it
Also enjoy 6 tick mage if you have to dodge things
As mage becomes viable combat style at 75 mage
placid zenith
inshallah we get gauntlet weapons
spring plank
He never does. Him and the op are s-tier billybobs
molten rampart
tbh im just worried about low lvl content ending up as dead content
i feel like people would still do it regardless and giving the experince of feeling like ur doing something is good enough
but look at sarachnis or abyssal sire
i saw jimmy video and theres alot of room to plump stuff around game
but one of his idea for rewards was armor between mithril and adamant or something
its just how valueable would that be? guess its better then nothing
opal pulsar
In Jagex's "mid level content addition", one of their main suggested purposes / rewards was just XP
Which is never gonna go out of style and just as useful for low levels as high
placid zenith
thats not a bad idea
im not a fan of midgame mfs farming the same boss for 7 trillion years and not actually learning the game
(vorkath prods)
sick fog
What is even jagexes idea of mid game
Muspah with tbow
snow grotto
I think vorkath is mid game
snow grotto
Muspah with tbow
Camping tbow skill wise?
sick fog
Ye
snow grotto
Prayer phase by flicking?
sick fog
Ye
opal pulsar
What is even jagexes idea of mid game
Given the proposed slayer staff at 56 slayer is considered "midgame" between trident of seas and iban's.. probably about that range
Where training levels is likely more important than upgrades
molten rampart
In Jagex's "mid level content addition", one of their main suggested purposes / ...
that would be cool tbh imo if u could do harder content for xp just cmb though
nova zealot
So basically early game billybobs
kinda crazy how people whine about not passing the barrier to do the content calling it impossible... then what the fuck am I if i passed the barrier to do it
snow grotto
kinda crazy how people whine about not passing the barrier to do the content cal...
Toxic elitist
nova zealot
Toxic elitist
Toxic Elitist ❌
Toxic Leech ✅
snow grotto
Toxic Elitist ❌
Toxic Leech ✅
All elitist leech off honest hard working mod fearing billybobs
nova zealot
For casuals idiot
I think cox is pretty casual and so is toa
maybe you can give em a shot
peak elm
I read all this as
We need f2p raids
nova zealot
nice necroing this thread
I delete the content of the message and you still got something to say
it's fine, but if you really need to talk try #old-school
Just let jagex cook on the shit that's coming out, they read suggestions
try to have fun, it's a fuckin' videogame
with a great dev team
bye
and dont repeat the mistakes of history
peak elm
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