#remove nmz

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eternal slate
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I know this is a spicy take but I feel that nmz is not healthy or good for the game. would rather see nmz be reworked or scrapped because in its current state its just disappointing.

late matrix
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why

loud crow
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i completly agree with this and this is some of my reasonsings:

  1. The area itself looks completly out of place, its made all from borrowed assets
  2. Most of the rewards can be gotten elsewere and will soon be all irrelvant
  3. Theres way better places to "afk" traning imo and i dont rly see the reason to afk train everything
golden beacon
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If so , why it existing so many years.

cold lantern
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at the very least moved to lunar and have the design redone

eternal slate
# late matrix why

looks like its pulled straight out of a private server. the premise and concept of nmz is cool but in practice ur just afking bosses with absorption potions rather than reliving epic quest boss fights. I liked dominion tower from pre eoc had a similar premise good rewards and made the fights hard/interesting.

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main issue that I have is I just dont like what nmz promotes the way it allows you to train cmb just feels wrong.

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cant exactly describe it but I think some people understand what I mean by that and I think the game would be better without nmz

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heard this before from some people before but adding a engaging/hard pvm activity for xp rather then gp would be interesting. and I think nmz with a rework could fill that.

cold lantern
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and the xp isn't coming from pure hitting constantly on braindead npc

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and yeah also rework the loc + models used and move it to lunar isle where it's more thematic

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as u say it looks straight out of a pserver

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there's some good quest bosses that would fit in nmz like the jormungand

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could even put in there night at the theatre bosses

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could make training combat stats more engaging and have nmz be more thematic

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also since you'd be training on bosses i don't see why it couldn't be the best combat xp / hr for melee

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why should it be worse than just 20 mins of afk

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since you wouldn't be getting loot from the bosses but you'd be taking part in active mechanical pvm

eternal slate
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ye the goal with a rework like that would be to make it the bis cmb xp for melee as its the slowest to train under conventional means. would be good for range/mage but i dont think it should really compete with chins/barrage

devout fox
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in the past they literally reduced XP from some quest monsters to prevent what NMZ is enabling, at an even more insane rate. it's also hideous and out of place. would definitely support rework (or even removal)

raw zealot
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tbh i dont think it does much harm

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out of place , but serves a role for people who would like to just AFK combat stats for long periods with little to no profit

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most of my 99 combats were gotten there when WFH , helped me use my actual play time on content i wanted to do

cold lantern
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yeah i think having combat xp methods is good

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but i think there's still room for higher melee xp rates for intensive methods with no gp gain

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or rather more fun ways to train melee stat

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just as a mix up

raw zealot
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people can train through pvm or slayer if they want to be efficient or make money

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and crabs exist if people dont want to pay the 22k fee/quest or have pures

cold lantern
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why no to a fast melee method that isn't afk?

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would just add a 3rd option

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afk best xp currently, low/mid xp high gp from pvm why no room for no loot high xp active

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range and mage have high xp(chin/barr) instead of active it's afk because they pay gp instead

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melee could be high xp instead of them paying with gp they pay with their effort i.e intensive / skillful

raw zealot
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pretty sure mace + pots = best xp in game

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or close to

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also 1hp dharoks focused in nmz is better than afk. afk isnt the best , just easiest to manage without focusing

cold lantern
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yeah that's fair i just think a mechanical alternative would be cool

eternal slate
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slayer has same thing as nmz both are afk methods. would be cool to do hard bosses for insane xp imo. Nmz is not that bad for the game but ever since its introduction, I think it's left a bad taste in people's mouths. its fine existing as is for sure

cold lantern
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yeah for no drops

late matrix
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@twin skiff pls delete nmz

velvet bobcat
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thing is that the majority of the game's content is locked behind having fairly high combat stats so its probably good that there's a relatively easy way to get those stats imo

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especially because it's not really the "best" way to get high combats, just the easiest

eternal slate
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ye i get that why with rework if it happened focus would be to still be very good for cmb training but itd be more so intense/having to pay attention

mint plank
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It's no different from people afking crabs or bandits at the desert bandit camp.
It's just a paid instance version so you don't get crashed.

Half the stuff in this game looks like a "private server", it's ok.

solid olive
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It was added to the game in an era when it was believed that OSRS would quickly die off after the initial wave of nostalgia, and that it would not receive many, if any original content updates. It's the same logic that gave us the OP Slayer cave in the gnome stronghold that made every other Slayer training area redundant.

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Just like that Slayer cave, NMZ no longer belongs in the modern iteration of OSRS--not in its current form, anyway. 🤔

cold lantern
wheat wave
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ah yes, the players who already got their 99 stats at nmz now want to remove this opportunity from others

jokes aside, even if it feels like it's "out of place", nmz has become a core feature for osrs account building.

i would even argue, like it or not, that it has claimed its status as 'old school' by now. removing it would be very controversial, as you might've assumed in the OP

solid olive
devout fox
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rework would have a good chance of passing I imagine. and just a graphical rework wouldn't even require polling by the new polling guidelines iirc

cold lantern
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they still both do the same thing

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if nmz was just straight removed it wouldn't have too much impact other than afk spots would be busier i guess

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i prefer the rework angle tho for keeping more variety of methods in game

raw zealot
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It would make it more annoying for some points to upgrade items though

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Leaves you with soul wars , pvp arena and maybe 1 other that I can't remember

cold lantern
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yeah that's if u remove NMZ a rework could still have it as an imbue place, but to be fair imbues are powerful sure people would cope

vapid escarp
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I actually think it's healthy for the game. It brings in new players that wouldn't play this game otherwise because they are now able to train super AFK for 20mins

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Having multiple options to train combat stats is a great way to bring in new players.
Especially since it doesn't affect anyone else's gaming experience

placid tusk
eternal slate
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i did explain my reasons below

placid tusk
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should edit the main post then

calm marten
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best idea ever

torpid sparrow
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i would agree but i think sinces nmz has been there for so long, other pieces of content are intertwined with it which could cause issues. e.g: clue step, minigame teleport, imbued items, achievement diary, proly other stuff ive missed too. removing it is proly more complicated and time consuming than would be assumed at first glance

late matrix
heady coral
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NMZ was a poor imitation of the dominion tower from when there were no teams to make assets

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why not just bring dominion tower back at this point?

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turn it into a proper bit of aspirational content instead of the out-of-place jank it is right now

late matrix
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Move all the imbues to it
Boom donezo

heady coral
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there are already enough sources of imbues

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it's time to bring back goliath gloves

fervent tiger
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going into OSRS dominion tower to fight Cuthbert, wish me luck

calm marten
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I think this is a very good idea esp. when the gemstone crrab exist now bois

smoky beacon
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imbues should just be removed entirely, make the imbued stats of equipment the default stats

calm marten
abstract nest
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The imbue systems is stupid so just removing it would be nice

digital idol
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Yeah tbh I'd much prefer dominion tower and just rework some of the rewards...

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It was far more interesting

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I say this and I use nmz as an afk training ground to push a ton of xp, still would prefer it be swapped with a more fulfilling and meaningful one

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For instance, the gloves were far too powerful, but most of the other stuff were good

hardy marlin
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Disagree completely this is where i go to imbue items. I dont like the cheat method of duel arena and I don't like to waste sw points on imbuing, and even then you'd semi cheat by points boosting. NMZ is important, it's great for training combat also, not that i do it. I like to actively train. Herb boxes are nice for mains, redirection scrolls are great 🙂 sure change the aesthetics of it, to not look like the kbd layer but don't remove it.

digital idol
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it takes hours or days to get the imbue from nmz, i got an imbue scroll from duel within... 20 minutes? half hour tops? it's just an invalid option for the imbues by comparison

abstract nest
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yeah nmz for imbues is terrible

hardy marlin
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like its over 1m points an hour

hardy marlin
digital idol
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thats pretty good, but i am not maxed on osrs, so that may prove extreemly challenging and at 45 mins, duel is still way faster and less intensive

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what i want isn't for it to simply be removed, i want it to be better, i liked dominion tower's system way more, had better challenges, the high tier bosses were there too (such as nomad in the case of rs3 pre eoc) and it just was a way better experience even if you remove the op gloves, nightmare zone is some weird off to the side thing that genuinely feels like it doesn't belong on retail, a cheap version of a once far more advanced system

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i want it replaced, not simply removed

hardy marlin
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ahh okay i see where you're getting at now

digital idol
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yeah, i want to fight vanstrom in there, and i want a challenge mode that allows me to fight him, and his bois at the same time i am pretty sure i could take all 4 of those bosses at once, especially at max level

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remember double nomad? that was good, you just don't have that with nmz

heady coral
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Sunfreet was a cool boss too

digital idol
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i did enjoy that one, but we can do even more than that with the tower, with nightmare zone, it's just an afk training spot and nothing more, there isn't anything uniquely special about it really

autumn talon