AKa commit development resources into something that looks bad.
No from me dawg
#Please add the new prayers to beta worlds
fickle iron
pulsar stag
They probably should honestly. It runs the risk of people expecting it to end up in the game even if it needs serious rework, but at least there'd be better feedback. Personally I think it's absolutely busted (+7% damage straight up, barely weakened protection prayers that let the player choose which minor nerf they want, faster eats, insane acc bonus at low hp, letting the player exchange hp for even more dps, better smite, better regen, etc, etc), but that doesn't really matter. tweaking the numbers will either make it better or worse than the existing book in almost every scenario, and they'll likely either release it in a mediocre state or have to rework it anyway
you'd hope they'd have already prototyped it (since it's basically the same book) before posting it ready to be polled, but I get the feeling someone hit a deadline and jotted it down on a napkin 10 minutes before whatever meeting they were presenting it in
visual shale
you'd hope they'd have already prototyped it (since it's basically the same book...
yet somehow even if it were rushed, it's leagues better anything else presented. Isn't that kinda strange 🤔
pulsar stag
speak for yourself, imo it's pretty bad design
visual shale
speak for myself, I think everything else is by far worse design
pulsar stag
it's super wishy washy (ie which minor nerf to protection prayers do we want? f it give them both. Should we combine stat buffs or give them better ones? eh give them both they'll do what they want with it. ok now that we basically replicated the existing book, lets pick and choose 3-4 ideas from the community and cram them in. oh wait they also voted for skilling, lets throw a few of those in too)
visual shale
The community?
pulsar stag
and then just buff whatever was missing from the existing book
visual shale
fickle iron
nobody that has done Quiet prayers toa wants that eveywhere.
visual shale
Quiet prayers is basically only a problem at high invo where no one wants to use it because zebak is a fucking turret that chews your ass and licks it clean
And he can't even digest it
pulsar stag
I don't think it's good design anyway, but yeah at toa it sucks because of zabek and wardens p2. protection prayers aren't even that important everywhere else and could use a more interesting alternative. letting the player pick between taking a little chip damage or a little prayer drain is not much of a nerf for most content
and getting to pick on the spot is op op
visual shale
I don't think it's good design anyway, but yeah at toa it sucks because of zabek...
warden p2 ain't shit. And that ain't op that is at best is a decision and at worst a non-factor.
pulsar stag
well I mean if you didnt have any protection prayers
visual shale
well I mean if you didnt have any protection prayers
Why wouldn't you be praying?
pulsar stag
if, hypothetically, there was a prayer book that wasn't just the same one we already have but you have to take a p pot sip a little more often
and idk if you guys have every played a game like mtg, but getting to choose between two options is always much stronger than only having access to one
more than you'd think on the surface
there's been so many ideas
pulsar stag
yeah, but they don't need to be basically 100% protection and flat +% acc and damage
visual shale
You even tagged them here
Prayers are vehicles to do something not defining of what you're doing.
pulsar stag
what like active abilities (ie do something on click)? I don't either
you can have passive effects that aren't just oh I take no damage now
visual shale
Look it's fine to be inexperienced but there is so much that goes into osrs's balance and depth of content that to which is all enabled by prayer
pulsar stag
dude I've done every boss in the game with gear from all levels
visual shale
i wasn't trying to refer to you
I forgot to preface with other people
Trust me when I say I've read through ALL these suggestions as well
pulsar stag
I've also played every league and know how effects pretty much every combination of those effects are, esp how effective low hp -> +dps and half damage is
well then I don't understand why you think the best they can do is what was suggested
visual shale
Because everything else either sucked or straight up looked cobbled together with other things (Rush of Regen. Zaros Book) or straight up the strongest heal known to man (Theft of Blood. Zaros Book). Walking trails 💀, and whatever those retaliatory prayer on that arma book were at the end. That "more damage" you were talking about just needed to be attacked? A conditional for that will just happen or to reward bad gameplay?
I've seen them all, and if I've learned anything is that not once does "where are we using this" ever come into play. Like how in the hell does prot +1 items keep appearing. Stop throwing together this shit and pretending you worked harder than the one time jagex actually does something.
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pulsar stag
how is that more cobbled together than what they suggested? none of what was in the blog works together. oh look I can gain a worse knifes edge but it's an overhead so I'll die in 1 hit, unless the gameplay is suppose to be switching between prot prayers and that every attack
wut, they litterally suggested a prot item prayer too
I never said they should use one of my suggestions, it's a starting point to work off of with the expectation to change things as needed
numbers can be tweaked, prayers can be swapped out for better ideas
visual shale
no they suggested a pro item +2 with risk, these ones have it taked on to some kind of defense addition
pulsar stag
that's much different >.>
visual shale
Bro that's just throwing in a prot item with slightly better steel skin
what do you mean
pulsar stag
what on the arma one? yeah cause the damage mitigation prayer self smites you
visual shale
What about fucking roost
2x spec regen rate (stacks with lightbearer)
Like bro
brooo
Come on
pulsar stag
it would much more interesting if they picked other strong effects instead of basically 100% protection
visual shale
what on the arma one? yeah cause the damage mitigation prayer self smites you
Barrage Of Adrenaline = Baby Ring of Vigor but 3x hits instead of 4x
pulsar stag
dude they're suggestions, they need tweaking or swapping out with other ideas. you try designing something in a vacuum
there's no protection prayers, getting a butt ton of spec is a pretty good tradeoff
but they really dont
some do
visual shale
huh
pulsar stag
vork, cox, tob (as long as someone can eat sotestag shots), all of gwd except arma
if you have passives that make up for the lack of defensive power of prot prayers it's entirely doable
if not better if you can get higher dps
you can 5-1 two of them and kite the other
like even if the book only gave you 1 prayer that said get +40% damage ppl would still bring it to gwd
who gets hit a verzik p1? just go behind the pillar
its nice to have a cox, but if players had an alternative that gave them more dps or a flat damage mitigation they'd use that instead
visual shale
mutta no prot prayer, shamans, tightrope, godwars minions hurt alot, maiden will shit you out and bend you back, who the hell is eating sote balls, verzik p2 blood phase ur dead, verzik p3 ur probably dead, toa your probably dead, nylo boss ur probably dead, olm in a cm your dead, mutta in a cm ur dead. Nex is insta dead
there are so little places you don't use prot. prayers at least reactively
We are dead
we are squishy
we are mortal
pulsar stag
I mean if we're comparing having no prayer book whatsoever than yeah it's pretty difficult
pulsar stag
even if you got 30% mitigation and lifesteal, that might be better than 100% mitigation from 1 attack type. hell 50% mitigation breaks even at many of those because you can't predict what style they hit you with (muta, etc)
visual shale
Bruh cm mutta's mage hit is like the same as her range hit off prayer. Cept now we healing what we hit so now we definitely won't die.
Underestimating our health economy and how a simple amulet that works 6% effectively on melee is extremely strong shows that keeping these options limited instead true reward with no trade off is a problem. There isn't going to be a choice if you can self heal because you're not always taking damage as much as you are giving it.
What is this, risk, reward, through player interaction instead of a button???!! How DARE YOU
fickle iron
every time jages tries pushing "risk" content it never really pans out
visual shale
Also I wanted to say these ideas, yes, do exist in their respective vacuums, but fail to understand that no matter how much somebody touches up their idea, 20% magic damage with ramp up or literal death negation is too much.
The real question is @pulsar stag are they salvageable? Personally that's a fatter no than lizzo the glizzo but a nice little moba or like warcraft III mod can use these kinda well : )
Call me bob the builder because that's some constructive criticism right there
yeah I think I read that wrong too
i want gambit
fine dyno
and vindication
and ancient offering for different stuff
solid cipher
This clip is how I feel about the polling system at times.
visual shale
This whole prayer book things got me wanting a poll tax
visual shale
This clip is how I feel about the polling system at times.
;-;
hidden lagoon
We need more merdaposting
But unless you can swap prayer books mega quick any gimmick book is just annoying to use
Ie. Swapping spellbooks using house vs. Altars
blazing beacon
After a full day of down votes on reddit he chooses to spread his wisdom here
But everyone who keeps mentioning quiet prayers , refuses to acknowledge that quiet prayer doesn't come with 7% extra damage.
Ofcourse you wouldn't opt into chip damage when you can choose deadly prayers and all the other free invos.
But if quiet prayers came with some form of damage boost then people would run to it
The whole point of a beta is to put these things into practise and let people actually test it out properly. Theory vs practice