Checkpoint before Jad

[smoky nest]

ti;dr Checkpoint at Jad with caveats or without caveats

I really want to know if I'm just a loser idiot for having the idea in the first place, or if it something that can be worked with.

[coral saffron]

Suffer the endurance test

[smoky nest]

Thats what I was afraid of, get gud was the only argument I would get as a counter argument

Your not wrong, I didnt prayer-flick right and got a heavy rock on my head lol

[burnt forum]

I could however see adding a jad practice where there's no reward

[rugged ether]

Fans made a Jad simulator site & folks have practiced on beta worlds etc.. are some ways to get practice in without the prefight

Controversial opinion wise, yeah I agree with you & think Fight Caves are a shit-tier 2 hours of content for one high intensity, easy to mess up fight

[smoky nest]

Yes, I didn't waste two hours but I did waste one hour and 30 minutes

I was really taking it slow

[smoky nest]

I understand there is a practice mode I could do, but if I beat practice Jad , that still means I need to kill THE Jad. That's the only reason I haven't tried that. If I kill the thing, I only intend on doing once and never going back

I worst thing is I know I could do it normally, I had Jad to half hp in less then a few moments. I just screwed up and prayer flicked to the wrong prayer.

[rugged ether]

Of course, that's how everyone dies to Jad

[smoky nest]

77, bang! gtfo of my cave lol

At least the healers didnt melee me to death I guess

[elfin gust]

Good osrs jad practicer

Good rule of thumb is just get used to calling his animations from the legs.

A quick stomp with both legs = Range and the earliest visual range attack giveaway

A slow rise with immediate sizzling sound = 🔥 fireball = Pray mage

If you're getting to jad but failing on jad, getting practice on a simulator can be just as practical to get experience on him vs the old method of spending 1-2 hrs per attempt. or just training on a youtube video recording on a ingame altar, etc.

[terse skiff]

An illustration to explain Jad's attack styles

you're welcome

[copper schooner]

get good is the response you're getting because skill issues are the only issue you're presenting

[smoky nest]

That picture made me laugh, hard for some reason. I know how Jad works, that's the thing. I was too eager with my flick, and saw his arms rise up. Then to my horror, come back down. I just want to fight Jad, the only worthwhile monster in the cave. Every other monster in that cave is a troll, to screw with you and I don't see why a checkpoint right before Jad is a hot take. Galvek is has checkpoints, Vorkath has checkpoints, why cant Jad? What makes Jad untouchable change? Just because everyone is used to working a broken tool, didn't mean somebody should look at the tool, say its broken and it would be a lot easier to use if it wasn't broken. Change isnt bad.

[smoky nest]

How does waves 1-62 help me get better then?

thats not Jad

[copper schooner]

it teaches you how to prioritise and kill mobs quickly , which in turn makes you more comfortable taking on multiple threats at once

[terse skiff]

Vorkath and Galvek are quest monsters, you think you'd have to start the quest over each time? Fight caves is an endurance test, with a skill based monster as the finale

[smoky nest]

time doesnt matter, I can take as long as I need to beat them

[copper schooner]

okay , why do you die to jad

[rugged ether]

Which is not at all what Jad asks you to skill test

[copper schooner]

why do you not pause the fight cave at wave 62 if its just a fatigue issue?

[smoky nest]

prayer flicking, something no other monster in the cave needs you do, like Jad does

[copper schooner]

you don't need to prayer flick. i've never flicked in the fight caves

just dont use rigour/eagle eye

bro i literally camp pray mage from wave 31 onwards

you don't need to flick at all

[smoky nest]

and thats what I did to

[rugged ether]

If any other game had a 20 minute cutscene before a tough fight, people would cry murder without a way to skip or a checkpoint

[copper schooner]

jad alone isn't what gets you a fire cape

same way zuk alone isn't for inferno

[smoky nest]

No prayer flicks to Jad? I guess im just using the wrong terminology then

[copper schooner]

same way olm alone not for cox uniques

raids / tzhar caves are different

[smoky nest]

Know that blowing my mind if thats true, not memeing

[copper schooner]

its like asking to skip the gauntlet prep since it doesnt test skill and adds 50% more time to all runs

[smoky nest]

Gauntlet is differnt, you need to get gear for the boss

you start naked

[rugged ether]

Yeah, for a checkpoint to work you'd need to still preserve supplies. So something like "Jad is coming! Want to save your supplies and come back later?" + "Oh, you failed - want to reclaim your supplies at that point & retry?"

[copper schooner]

okay... and fight caves is seeing if you can clear the challenges (including jad) with your set supply list

[copper schooner]

you can click log out before the jad wave. when you log in you come back to that point

why on earth would you get a checkpoint for where you failed

[rugged ether]

Yeah, so this suggestion should be "if you die to Jad, want to try with the supplies you had before the Jad fight?" as a checkpoint

[smoky nest]

Than why else would you need a checkpoint?

[copper schooner]

im not even taking the piss , but genuinely if you fail the last 5% of a challenge , why should you then get to skip 95% of it

same way someone dying to wave 55 shouldn't start from 55 onwards

[smoky nest]

Because that 95% is nothing compared to the boss, the boss is the only reason to do the fight cave. The other monsters dont gave you anything useful

[copper schooner]

the other monsters are literally part of the challenge...

[smoky nest]

if that had a use, then fine but there dont

Beat them all once, then grind Jad till you get a good run and be on your way

[copper schooner]

fire cape = defeat all 63 waves in one go. the challenge is literally to be good enough to beat everything and have resources left to clear jad...the final boss

[smoky nest]

fine, then make it an extra achievement to beat it in one go lol

[copper schooner]

tbh have a checkpoint if it means no fire cape

but the fire cape is what shows you can clear it in one go

and not essentially brute force it from a saved checkpoint

[rugged ether]

They have recognized some of these concerns in like the future Taskaar trials presentation - where the earlier waves would give buffs or curses that you accumulate over a run. Making it feel like your earlier run had more impact later

[smoky nest]

The worst part, some day a raid cape will come along and make this all pointless lmfao

[rugged ether]

You can literally die in raids though lol

[copper schooner]

but if this is why you want a check point... sorry man it is actually just a skill issue

[smoky nest]

until there are no checkpoints at all, I disagree

[copper schooner]

your checkpoint is level 1

[smoky nest]

waves 1- 62 are trash monster that to nothing, outside of the first time you clear them

No, in the game, Permadeath across the board.

[terse skiff]

Now, the only way I see this being possible, is similar to the Seren replayable fight, or the uh, Myth guild's version of the galvek fight? no reward, but you can refight it

[smoky nest]

They're already in the game, why cant Jad get one?

[terse skiff]

You'd have to beat him once first

[copper schooner]

but yeah this is your friend.

[terse skiff]

and you get no reward, no cape, no tokkul

[copper schooner]

its all you need to clear jad

[smoky nest]

that just for achievement, I dont care about that, I just want the cape

[copper schooner]

fire cape takes 40 mins max if the first 62 waves really arent an issue for you

[terse skiff]

then good luck on your journey

I had to try 4 times

most people take 5-6

[copper schooner]

if you're quoting 1h 30 mins.... you clearly still struggle with it

[terse skiff]

more money = more comfortable time

[smoky nest]

40 minutes of wasted time, killing monsters I already killed

[terse skiff]

Welcome to slayer

welcome to literally the game

[copper schooner]

you wiped 😂 , you failed a challenge and can't stand having to restart

its like the team wiping in TOB

or wiping in TOA

it happens

[terse skiff]

the difference with the fight caves, is that all the monsters are designed to drain your supplies. The bats drain your prayer

the magers drain your will to live

[copper schooner]

2

[smoky nest]

and Im sorry if im not keeping up with anything being said, its getting a little fast lol

[elfin gust]

Just practice the simulator and do it 2 hrs later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJVmgOrI5es&

[smoky nest]

then thats why I also added the drain to the reset

[rugged ether]

Yes, but dying in fight caves resets you. Vs dying in raids they literally checkpoint revive you if someone else in party survives. Or in TOA your whole team can wipe even

[smoky nest]

As in a cape that make inferno not best in slot?

[smoky nest]

Group fight caves? I can get behind that lol

[copper schooner]

you're comparing non wipe scenarios to scenarios where people wipe

[rugged ether]

Yeah. It is trickier to apply that when the main reward is a specific cape. You could go down to like a 50% chance to get fire cape on retry or something

[copper schooner]

the entire team dying to 0.1% warden = wipe

team dying to 0.1% verzik = wipe

and again , these have no fixed rewards at the end , just a heavily nerfed rng system

same way i can't get a 425 kit if anyone dies , people cant get a fire cape if they die 🎉

tldr: get good so that getting to jad isn't a big deal & it becomes a 30 min slayer task

or alternatively just use this

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Obsidian_cape_(r)

or use a mythical cape for str bonus instead 🔥

[rugged ether]

Yeah, so for it to be like ToA it'd have to be "you died - retry with current supplies and a reduced chance at fire cape?" Retrying there would likely mean you'd done a good job managing supplies, you just missed an attack prayer at Jad

[smoky nest]

The entire thing come do to helping more people get the cape, if is was more rewarding, then sure dont change it. But the monsters that you fight in waves 1-62 dont teach you anything new. They dont need to be grinded more then once per Jad attempt

make those fodder monster worth the fight then, then I'm all for the fight

[copper schooner]

okay question. if we implement this checkpoint system. whats the downside of it in your opinion

[smoky nest]

None, the Fire Cape has been botted for years at this point. "True" or "proper" Jad kills are meaningless at this point.

his nothing more then a cheap 25k exp for slayers

[copper schooner]

then....just get your cape

[smoky nest]

botting is illegel, otherwise I would have

I'm not trying to break rules here

[copper schooner]

the reason for your check point is you haven't learned how to beat jad and get frustrated to have to do things you struggle to do

Because 1hr 30 mins to clear the waves literally means you are not comfortbale with it and are going slow as a result

[smoky nest]

not true about the struggle, I want to learn, but I cant because of 62 waves of trash in my way

[copper schooner]

you need to learn that 1-62 if it takes you 1hr 30 mins 😂

you can't run into entry mode toa , brute force the first 4 rooms in 2 hours

then comlain you shouldn't have to do it ever again

[smoky nest]

those waves have nothing to do with Jad though. None of the monster you fight on wave 63 are fought any other time in the fight cave

after killing then once, no you shouldnt

[copper schooner]

jad is literally 1 monster in the wave

[smoky nest]

five*

[copper schooner]

it isn't its own separate entity

congrats on learning how to beat 62/63 waves though

[smoky nest]

63 is five monsters, maybe even more sometimes

[copper schooner]

i said jad is one monster...

[smoky nest]

you got me there

[copper schooner]

but whatever man. good luck convincing people to change the game for skill issues

when you inevitably do it again and clear it in 40 mins , you will understand why we are against it

[smoky nest]

No, im not wasting my time. Thats the entire reason I'm here trying to get support for the idea

gatekeeping is going to really hurt though it seems

[copper schooner]

gatekeeping = good

keep that gate shut

none of this everyone wins nonsense

[smoky nest]

I dont understand why people care about others account as much as people do. Its my account, why do you care how I got the cape

[copper schooner]

btw , the time it has taken you to argue the case, you could have beaten jad twice 🥹

[copper schooner]

the game is about meaningful progression. make things accessible and easy then the time spent obtaining it is meaningless

[smoky nest]

maybe, or wasted twice the money

[smoky nest]

then I proguess though waves 1-62, thus I shouldnt need to redo them

[copper schooner]

max cape means something because they maintain the standard of how much time you need to put in

infernal/fire cape means something because they keep the standard of how hard the waves are to clear in 1 life

same as TOA kits

[smoky nest]

max capes have nothing to with jad, unless your talking about a max inferno cape, then sure

[copper schooner]

but whatever, just practice the simulator and learn how to clear waves faster

or just enjoy no cape

fire cape is a sign of reaching mid level pvm, something you haven;t done yet

[smoky nest]

The sad part is, I have learn to enjoy the fact I has no cape lol, its sucks

[copper schooner]

trust me , come back to this in a year and you will laugh

[coral saffron]

I did raid once can I skip to olm verzik and warden now?

[copper schooner]

redo the boss you cleared? no dont be silly , skip to the rewards chest

[smoky nest]

no, you need do redo all the other bosses once, then you can work on final boss until its done

[coral saffron]

[smoky nest]

Raids are endgame stuff though, so its different from Jad being more in the middle

[smoky nest]

that disingenuous, you still need to clear everything else once, its the final boss you can get some retrys on

[copper schooner]

step 1) practice jad simulator for 5 mins
step 2) get through the waves in 40 mins this time
step 3) comeback to this post and say " yeah mb, i was being silly, we don't need to make things easier"

other than that, i don't know what support you're looking for

because the bulk of your argument is that 1-62 is a big time sink.... when its only a big time sink for you since you struggle with it

bro i love gatekeeping tbh

keep the standards nice and high so people have something to work for

all these damn universities gatekeeping me from having a 1st class degree

[smoky nest]

and why do you care how other people play their game? Its not your account they are screwing with.

[copper schooner]

play the game how you want, just don't devalue achievements

downside of online games, you can't just slap on easy mode and complete it

[smoky nest]

how does that achievement make your life better in the real world? its a game for kids

[copper schooner]

😂 enjoy your day sir.

gl on the cape

[smoky nest]

you too, sir

and thank you

I can't help that I'm sub human filth compared to other players. I'll never be as good, even if I player twice long. I just want the fire cape. I'm not even nerfing Jad

in the long run why does it matter? Axe gifts as a whole to. nothingn is free and anything now has a gp cost to work around

[coral saffron]

if ur struggling to do fight caves and not willing to improve, just quit right now

future combat/pvm isnt for you

[smoky nest]

I have already beaten all the quests, and TOB

[coral saffron]

like im going to believe that

[smoky nest]

I know I can do the cave, I just see no point in the fodder waves. They teach nothing other monster havnt already tought me

[coral saffron]

struggling to do low intensity minigame but brags about doing high intensity raid

no chance

[smoky nest]

Zen I'll meet you in the game and see you im not lieng

[coral saffron]

a night at the theatre doesnt count btw

[copper schooner]

beat verzik which forces a lot more intense situations than jad 😂

[coral saffron]

i mean u dont need to prove anything

[smoky nest]

bull shit, that is entry mode raid, yes it does

[coral saffron]

the fact you cant do fight caves proves everything

carried + piss easy

ppl do it in f2p gear

[smoky nest]

its got it done lol

and its still a raid

[coral saffron]

rock crab is an npc

i can kill rock crab

that mean i can pvm every monster?!

[copper schooner]

do you use runelite? if so type "!kc tob"

that will tell you

but jokes aside, its good you got through the quest

[coral saffron]

honestly the fact this post is about him not being able to complete fight caves

and then talking about doing tob

just screams carry

[copper schooner]

but this isn't a game where your experience and items have 0 impact on the value of others

[smoky nest]

its your saying TOB is only a raid id its done on normal, or hard then no, I haven't beaten those

[copper schooner]

yeah if the firecape was a 5 hour gauntlet , people would 100% support you

or if it was something outragous. but your issue is literally down to skill

and not even a massive skill gap tbh

just paying attention for 1 min

leg up = mage , leg down = range

[smoky nest]

again, how do I get better if I cant even fight the monster that is giving problems?

[coral saffron]

u can

there are tools

[smoky nest]

the 1-62 waves have nothing to de with Jad, there just a worst of time, with nothing to teach me

[coral saffron]

its funny cuz u literally cant even use that excuse

[copper schooner]

you get better by becoming comfortable using tools outside the game

[coral saffron]

since people have literally spent time making tools on jad only

[copper schooner]

or go back to tob and practice on verzik

or go to entry mode toa and practice on zebak

[coral saffron]

olm doesnt help me with looting chest but i still gotta do olm

[copper schooner]

many ways to get used to changing prayers , no need to change fire capes

literally thats your method

[smoky nest]

Using that tool to kill a fake Jad doesn't mean the real is dead, or that I get a fire cape. only reason I havent used the tool

[copper schooner]

go to toa, set zebak to level 3. do not attack it and just practise

[coral saffron]

do what haki said then

go to zebak

[copper schooner]

the tool teaches you how to change between range/mage using visual indicators.
thats the part of the caves you struggle with so its in your best interest to learn before going back

actually wait, are beta worlds still open?

infact there we go

stop crying and go beta world and do jad challenge

[coral saffron]

cant u go in 6 jads too and do 1 jad only?

[copper schooner]

solved

[coral saffron]

or u need jad completion for that

ah yh fcape sacrifice

[fallen jetty]

Checkpoint b4 jad. But you have to go in with 1 hp, 1 pray point, no gear, no supplies sounds like a fair trade to me

[copper schooner]

go hear on the beta world

[smoky nest]

I wish it would just be taken to a vote. If 99% of people vote no, then its done and I need to get better. But if it went the other way then I know it wasn't such a bad idea. How hard it that? The vote would be all I need to see. That way, I would know that I 'm a sub human dreg for even talking about the change. Or, maybe it passes how knows how the rest of the game would feel about. judging from the few people I have gotten to talk about it, it is a very hot take

[coral saffron]

haki literally just showed u

how to do jad only

lol

[smoky nest]

that's good enough for me

I want it in game, I want the game it tell me i'm wrong. Not just a few people with higher levels accounts then my own

[copper schooner]

practise hard jad

[copper schooner]

you're wrong 😂 its a skill issue man

[smoky nest]

I have no intention of doing Zuk,

[copper schooner]

that is not zuk...

[coral saffron]

jesus christ

[copper schooner]

its jad with jad mechanics. which you can do nonstop

[smoky nest]

I see that now lol

[coral saffron]

idek how u can actually be that bad at reacting ngl

[copper schooner]

im being civil and giving you step by step solitions to your problem

[coral saffron]

u have an eternity to actually pray properly lol

[copper schooner]

you said you want to just face jad despite knowing its a skill issue. i have provided you ways to pracise jad mechancis without a beta world, or with

[smoky nest]

and like I have said, I'm sub human compared to you guys and that fine, you are better at the game then I ever will be, and I'm not joking

[coral saffron]

but u done tob??

[copper schooner]

im not saying be better than everyone, just meet the standards of a fire cape. im happy to help but you gotta be willing to actually do it lol

[smoky nest]

I have only finished TOB on entry, not on normal or hard

[coral saffron]

im just taking this as a bait now

uve given him solutions and hes just ignoring them lol

[smoky nest]

No thats not true

[coral saffron]

need an elitist with gm ca, sub 45 inferno, all wrs to buy out jagex and create elitist only content

[smoky nest]

I have already said, the only reason I haven't done the trainer is because the trainer is not a real kill. I would need to kill him again. I only want to get the cape and be on my way, I never want to return to Mor Ul Rek

[coral saffron]

yup hes a bait

[copper schooner]

🎣

[smoky nest]

if thats what you want to call it ,fine you do you, I'm just trying to get a small QOL change for the fight cave

[copper schooner]

put your suggestion / poll on reddit if you want to get a feel of peoples opinions tbh

or just go to a GE and ask people what they think

[smoky nest]

oo I have a feel about this

[coral saffron]

uve literally showed his suggestion practically in the game and hes still crying cba

[copper schooner]

you will not be shocked that over 75% will laugh it off

[copper schooner]

yeah , it was fun while it lasted

but after that its just beyond me

[smoky nest]

Zen,everynoe else has been chatting about this for the last 30min maybe hour, why are you the only rude one?

[coral saffron]

just like the guy on reddit who wanted the energy pool to act as stam and restore to 100 run energy placed in every single farming room

[coral saffron]

because the answer is in ur face but ur looking at the other side of the ocean like a moron

[smoky nest]

Your acting I killed your dog or something for the way your treating me, for a QOL change

I dont get it

[coral saffron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036691642012414123/1036726002258288660/Screenshot_2022-10-31_at_19.38.50.png

go

ur suggestion

is basically in the fucking game

[smoky nest]

Ok, lets say practice. I practice on Jad until I get a kill streak of lets say 5 in a row, I practice really hard. I then go though the fight cave, again and get to Jad. I fight Jad and I right at as I'm about to kill the real one, I slip and get killed. I can never be perfect, I can train for hours a day. Yes, it will increase my chances, but practice (like that), will never be a substitute for the real thing. do want to thank Cat for taking this seriously. as Zen just wants to make fun of me for having the gall to ask QOL. King was good to until the end with the meme.

anyway before that when off the rails, the tidr is: QOL for Fight Cave, Jad should have a checkpoint right before the fight, with or without caveats in place

[fallen jetty]

If you fail, just keep at it. If the real thing is the only real experience for you, you just have to keep trying. After jad, the content just gets harder and will take more practice.

Also, wouldnt hurt to get some more range amd defense levels. Will help you clear fight caves so much more easily

[elfin gust]

Why is everyone spending so long here? I mean yeah, jad can be a hurdle but like.. it literally would be more productive to practice jad for 10 minutes without a prayer switch fail, add in extra clicks for healer baiting until comfy, and beat fight caves in a hr than like spend 5 hr here

It reads like a guide. "Why should i read a recipe for how to bake a cake, when i can make a cake directionless and complain it's too hard trying to make it out of napalm and 2 cups of salt when reading a recipe won't make the cake out of thin air for me?"

[copper schooner]

was trying to help at first , but now im just here to meme

[elfin gust]

yeah there are pvm barriers but like, literally the secret to jad is just practice, practice, and practice. The solution is right out there, tons of people had to get capes before there were even resources but fair lol.

[copper schooner]

i appreciate the struggle, but now its just funny when the reason is im scared to waste 40 mins because im not good enough yet

[elfin gust]

Even then, people could practice on youtube videos. Sure jad has a 1 shot punish curve, and he can still get you off guard but like

Why use recipes to bake a cake that say use 2 cups of flour and sugar and 2 eggs

When i can make a cake with 5 pounds of salt instead?

https://tenor.com/view/salty-ring-laser-salt-gif-13402014

When there are resources in front of you, sometimes it's helpful to use them. Not everyone starts out with a inate ability to make cakes in the womb, but like tools and instructions are useful ways of getting people to learn how to do stuff. And jad tools are really good for it, or as mentioned, the jad practice challenge.

Sure it doesn't give you the cape same tick, but it cuts down practice from 1 hr to 2 minutes. And jad is a one trick one stomp pony. once you figure out how to beat him, you tend to beat him on every run after

[smoky nest]

Ironically, the thing the last few people have been telling me to do, is the very thing I'm arguing to do, practice. Let those who struggle with the fight practice the real fight, with a checkpoint so when they do get a good fight, its not something they need to do a second time (unless you intend to work towards Zuk). Waves 1-62 have nothing to do with Jad, and when those waves are completed offer nothing afterwards. I'm not saying remove them completely. I just think that, once you have beaten those waves they is no reason to beat then again. If you beat Jad, and go to the Fight Cave for a second round, you would need to beat all those waves again. Its just that until you reset, or beat Jad again you have the option to go back to the Jad fight with the a checkpoint.

[fallen jetty]

The fight caves is not just jad. The fire cape achievement is from completing fight caves which includes the endurance test of the waves pre jad. Doing the waves over again will help you out in the long run on your account and pvm experience.

[elfin gust]

https://tenor.com/view/vettel-in-wall-hit-the-wall-gif-11905373

[strong heath]

idk what to say but Jad is pretty much the entry to pvm bosses

[smoky nest]

Then Jad is a pretty bad entry to pvm and is 100% skippable, outside of the Fire Cape it rewards for killing it. I have been doing Vorkath, Zulrah and a few of the other lower tier bosses for a while now. I just want to the Fire Cape to round out the collection. I already have Ava's assembler and all three of the Imbued gods capes. All I want to do is practice Jad, but for some reason, everyone thinks Tz-Kih is just as good, Tok-Xil is just as good, Ket-Zek is just as good. I understand fighting though once, but not again. Any lesson I could learn for them has been learned. No one needs to waste there time fighting those monster more then once per attempt.

[lean lichen]

It really is entry level pvm the ability to prayer flick is essential in most the pvm beyond the money dragon and snake where there are cut rotations. U never killed demonic gorillas? Lol

Also as u said the first waves r a literal cake walk so u get a hour of time preparing to fight

[fallen jetty]

The guy said earlier that he took 1.5 hrs to clear waves. Either they dont have it down yet or are severely undergeared or both.

Either way, refuses to accept that the challenge of doing jad is having to do the waves beforehand. The first time nerves knowing you have to repeat them if you mess up is a huge part of the experience.

Like others have said, once you beat jad once, you cam do it every time since the nerves are gone. You will wonder why you had so much trouble the first time. Pause it, stand up, stretch, breathe, relax, and you can do it.

[smoky nest]

I have killed Demonic gorillas, not fun but doable. They're not bad when you keep track of their misses, and your hits.

[smoky nest]

I did do it very slow

[fallen jetty]

Assuming you have gotten to jad, what made you die?

[smoky nest]

I had him down to half, and miss judged his range attack for a mage attack. I was too eager to the change and I should have not did the change

77 to the dome

[fallen jetty]

Healers out or not yet?

[smoky nest]

healers just came out, and I needed to get their aggro just long enough to finish Jad. 80def and blessed d hide hopefully would have been good enough to save me from the healers auto attacks

worst part Jad just melted, my blowpipe just teared into his hp so quickly

[fallen jetty]

Yup, should be more than enough. Its okay if healers heal jad a bit. You dont need to speed run jad, just proper prayer. If youre nervous, just do 1 action between each jad attack.

See jad sttack->switch pray if needed->attack healer->watch jad attack->switch if needed->attack another healer and repeat

[smoky nest]

85 range, 88 hp. full blessed d'hide with ava's tier 3 backpack, anguish, rada blessing 3 since dart are loaded into the pipe not the ammo slot. I think thats the full equipment layout

I had an extra 6 prayer pots I didnt even need

[fallen jetty]

More than enough. If you have any pray pots at jad, you generally have enough supplies. Just keep sending attempts, youre close if you have made it that far

[strong heath]

not really skippable

since u need a firecape for all base group pvm

[bleak kestrel]

Wth did i just read?

[late juniper]

im sure everyone else has said this already but part of the prestiege comes from having to do waves all over again. you dont have to get it but dont make changes to it because you cant overcome the challange

take this from someone who needed 9 attempts to get his first firecape

the cape is definitely not needed just like inferno cape is not needed. However, firecape is such a baseline standard now it will make it hard to join clans etc but its only 4 str bonus at the end of the day. (2-3% dps difference)

[elfin gust]

Something something. Jad is the first osrs hill. But if someone claims to be unable to do jad but can "do" theatre (entry mode), You can skip it but everyone over 70 combat may judge you lol.

The tools cut practice from hours to literally minutes and not even looking at one or practicing flicks on a YouTube video for 2 minutes vs 5 hrs of griping is counter productive unless jagex just wants to add a nmz imbued obby cape option for +3 STR lmao.

[smoky nest]

achievements and prestige are subjective. What I view as big to me, could be tiny to you in terms of achievement. Also, the Fire Cape is a general thing I see around Raids. That is the only reason I even want the thing. Like I said, let those who want the cape, and are less successful at the game get a bone here, put a checkpoint before Jad.

[copper shale]

Can I reclaim a Fire Cape by just completing the single Jad challenge in the Inner City part? Don't want to be arsed to do Waves 1-62

[terse skiff]

Craft a cheese cape to trade for pet

Can't be arsed to fight jad again

Cheese, 100 fire runes, and a red cape

[strong heath]

jad would hardly be a challenge without the nerves/endurance aspect to it

hes already a fcking joke since u just need under 1800ms reaction time to switch prayer

and if u miss it, u can tick eat very easily

jad can never be a standalone boss

[crimson totem]

simply get good

[smoky nest]

I'd like to, but no one wants me playing the game to do so.

[crimson totem]

?

hate to break it to you but Jad is easy content compared to the rest of the game

[smoky nest]

then why is a checkpoint game breaking then? Put it in already

[lyric harbor]

If you're bad at the game just say that.

[smoky nest]

Bad is subjective

[crimson totem]

and you are the subject

[smoky nest]

Subjective , based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions: Contrasted with objective.

[strong heath]

u can practice jad on beta worlds

u will see hes rly just a goofy lovable guy

[lyric harbor]

If you NEED a checkpoint before jad because you can't kill it like the THOUSANDS of people before you, that would in turn mean you are indeed bad at fight caves.

[strong heath]

hes a nice fella who tells u which attack he will attack with unlike that dickhead vorkath who just switches randomly

and other monsters

[crimson totem]

are you a smart fella? or a fart smella?

[strong heath]

just to expand on what i mean, u can practice killing 1 jad on the "TzHaar-Ket-Rak's Challenges", accessible to you on beta worlds

u have hotkeys for prayer and inventory as well right?

also if you fail to get to correct prayer up, simply eat after the projectile appears but before the hitsplat registers in your character

and jad cannot kill you

its called a tick eat

[smoky nest]

I agree to that. I'm fine with a handful of people knowing I'm a sub human dreg compared to them, as long as I get that cape.

[strong heath]

i think if u listen to my advice u will get cape in no time

if you heed my thoughts my bruddha

waiting for a checkpoint to be added at w63 aint gonna happen

[crimson totem]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/TzHaar_Fight_Cave/Strategies#TzTok-Jad

you're welcome

[smoky nest]

I have finally seen the light, after 446 messages...

[strong heath]

wdym

[smoky nest]

Im quiting OSRS, thank soo much for your timr

time 😦

[strong heath]

kek

see ya then

[rugged lagoon]

bro it's ok to fail it took me a really really long time to get the cape don't stress about it just keep trying and you will manage

even one time i died right as i killed jad

so i killed him and didn't get the cape

ngl i complained a lot back then and only got it like 3 attempts after that

but it's not like it's an impossible challenge or something

just keep trying that's all

[copper schooner]

He isn't interested I gave him clear guides on how to practice jad but the excuse is that even if they master it they might fail again...so it's pointless

It's a nonsense suggestion, and 95% a troll

[crimson totem]

like that 5 dose potion suggestion

[copper schooner]

The idea that it's fine to devalue in game achievements because you personally struggle is as short sited as they come.

[copper schooner]

Is this floating about again?

[copper schooner]

See you next week when you get your Cape

[rugged lagoon]

sighted*

grammar police

xD

[copper schooner]

Lol I appreciate a good grammar check

[strong heath]

oh

he left the server@copper schooner

he really quit

[rugged lagoon]

fr?

lol