#Entry Mode ToB - Complete Rehaul (at least for Maiden)

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mental laurel
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even p2 verzik would benefit from this the most ,even though i understand why you wouldn’t want to give unlimited free attempts.

its arguably the biggest noob killer as the timing does take time to learn & knowing how to escape crabs without killing yourself / teammates can be rough.
Players can use the online simulator to learn but entry mode giving the option to practise a specific room in isolation or do the full entry raid would help a lot

torpid onyx
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if you sacrifice basically all loot chances and still need to spend money on supplies what's wrong with being able to just infinitely practice whatever room you want?

mental laurel
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If I could specifically practice on wave 45-50 then inferno completion time would go right down

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Or if people could go right to jad and practice it for 2 hours , noobs wouldn't see it as a big goal to overcome

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Personally I like the chance to practice, but I can understand why they wouldn't want it

torpid onyx
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well is a practice mode jad/inferno that lets you jump to a specific wave bad? Like what's the worst possible result? that too many people get good at pvm?

mental laurel
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it just needs to be separated altogether so you have

  1. an instanced version of TOB for the quest specifically. this one saves your progress after each room (similar to RFD). This would let the noobs who struggle with the entire raid have an easier way to prep and take on the final fight & will put it on par with SOTE and DS2 Galvek.

  2. An Entry mode TOB as you described , where the mecahnics are closer to real TOB so players have an authentic practise run and learn before looking for teams

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and ideally you would implement entry mode in a way that you can choose the order of bosses

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so somebody who just needs to get P2/P3 down doesnt have to waste 15 mins getting to the part

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  1. Slightly controversial , but they should also change the way solo TOB works so the issues around accessibility are no longer valid. changes to how sote maze works & P2 verzik should be all thats required. then people can't use the excuse that they can't find teams
mental laurel
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Yeah that's true, but letting them fully restock or take a break to refocus on it for the quest is fine imo.

Is not like we make people go through vorkath and all other ds2 dragons b2b. I'm all for making the quest easy as an intro to raids

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Then making actual entry mode suitable for its purpose

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And potentially removing the no team excuse by making solo mode feasible but with the knowledge its still very very hard

mental laurel
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Oh, I think we are saying the same thing but in different ways 😂. Ignore me