can there be something done about it in PVP? It's currently completely busted in multi where u can stack zaryte crossbow specs [with sapphire bolt proc] on a person to smite them. There is no way to counter it comparing to macing for example. Could it work the same as macing where the prayer scales off hp?
#ZCB Spec
unborn flume
summer depot
I'm ignorant to how the spec spam works in pvp, is it the same as the pre nerf mace? Cause then it's a matter of doing the mace treatment for the crossbow as well.
Extra:
I've been playing with the idea of reworking ZCB's passive as a whole, instead of 10% to effects which doesnt matter for anything that isnt ruby, we would have hard coded, improved effects for all bolts.
unborn flume
I'm ignorant to how the spec spam works in pvp, is it the same as the pre nerf mace? Cause then it's a matter of doing the mace treatment for the crossbow as well.
Yes, even if lets say ur 1hp and get zcbed with 99prayer. you'll still get smited regardless of your hp level. It's completely broken.
All you can hope for is for pneck to pop, but if ur getting dspeared and hit by 10+ ppl theres no surviving in any way. With macing u can counterplay it with divine pots/rock cake or light orb.
snow umbra
agreed , it works similar to original mace that was abused after dspear nerf. lets you smite people close to 100% of time , its STUPID , broken and should be fixed , shouldn't be possible for team of 20-30 to always be able smite people , mace / spears were fixed for reason , zcb with sapphires should be same, only takes 10-15 people in range and 5-10 in other types of gear to get near 100% smite chance.jagex already said before about mace that things should have a counter to them , this does not just give it extended antifire treatment or just remove bolt effect from zcb in relation to sapphire bolts.
fathom jetty
Jagex caters to IRONMEN and PvMers. This catering ruined the game. They removed skull tricking and made it so safe in the wild. YET large clans can mace and ZBow to steal plus 1s while you cant do anything.
tall stump
All you can hope for is for pneck to pop, but if ur getting dspeared and hit by ...
Why have they not integrity changed dspear yet? It's a stunlock which is an exploit in most games lmao
Should just get rid of the push mechanic and that way if you get caught by a clan it's your own fault
I guess standing next to multi is probably not always wise though lol
unborn flume
Huh? I guess ur totally missing the point mate. @tall stump
tall stump
Huh? I guess ur totally missing the point mate. <@317948237124468738>
Nah I know what the point is, just a bit of a tangent on the dspear lol
unborn flume
Nah I know what the point is, just a bit of a tangent on the dspear lol
Fair enough. Dspear is personally okay, unless abused with something like the zaryte crossbow now.
hard cave
Did someone take ur zcb
summer depot
Can we make the spec 100% accurate in pvm? I hate when i use 3/4s of my spec bar to deal 0 damage on a 5t cycle. At least claws if I miss the first hit I can still do some damage on the follow up hits
violet gorge
This might sound controversial. But...this wouldn't be an issue if you didn't take what you weren't willing to lose into the wilderness.
Yes, the spec is probably broken for pvp situations, so dont go into pvp situations.
Dont park your ferrari at an underpass on the outskirts of new york 🤷♂️
tall stump
This might sound controversial. But...this wouldn't be an issue if you didn't ta...
Being able to smite people so easily in a group is overpowered. At least if they are just piling you with normal attacks you can still eat your way out of it. With ZCB not only are they hitting massive damage but also draining a static amount of prayer each hit. It should at least stop applying if the target will hit 0hp rather than stacking as many times as you have people.
unborn flume
This might sound controversial. But...this wouldn't be an issue if you didn't ta...
ah yes just like when ur able to spam dspears, or when u were able to bgs in rev cave.
one of the most broken meta's in multi that had been removed, being speared for 3mins long till u get smited
raw barn
summer depot
Whatever they do with the pvp integrity of it just pls make it not waste 75% spec 20% of the time in pvm
fathom jetty
does the d spear serve a purpose outside of multi pking?
tall stump
does the d spear serve a purpose outside of multi pking?
Not really
unborn flume
does the d spear serve a purpose outside of multi pking?
escaping in wildy, and luring npcs into a certain spot
tiny laurel
my solution to this problem that i use.... stay out of the wildy
unborn flume
my solution to this problem that i use.... stay out of the wildy
sounds like a coward
tiny laurel
i mean pvp is shit imo, no point in participating. I dont think any wep should have pvp/pve separate stats. if the BP is going to roll you then suffer.
or the ZCB
unborn flume
Nobody is talking about seperate stats? @tiny laurel
tiny laurel
you want an item changed for pvp when it fits good for pve. You want to justify changing an item for pvp because you do not like it currently (stats/spec). They have made enough changes for pvp. They have changed items (either the stats/spec) to work in pvp/pve separately, I say enough time wasted on that noise. If you don't like pvp as is, stay out of the wildy. I use to enjoy pvp way back in the day. Got so complicated before 07 that i quit going there. Either do the same or deal with what is out there.
summer depot
Card games with multiple formats have different banlists for each format.
It's expected that an item can be fine versus bosses but an outlier in pvp, if items are not allowed to behave differently in pvp and pvm then one is losing because of the other
Its better to nourish both formats so that players can use their toys everywhere, as long as any player can easily find out what behaves differently versus which target and understand the difference
unborn flume
you want an item changed for pvp when it fits good for pve. You want to justify ...
ah yes it fits great for pve, cause everyone uses sapphire bolt proc in pve right 🤣 changing this wouldnt affect pvm at all lmfao
''they have made enough changes for pvp, Got so complicated before 07 that i quit going there. '' - That sounds like a you problem. None of these changes were for the good, if anything they were for the worse. Removing BH, Revs, PJ timer and I could go on for hours. There hasnt been a decent update in ages
''if you dont like pvp as is, stay out of the wildy'' - ah yes! gotta stay out of the wildy cause of an item thats completely broken.
summer depot
its funny that its blatant that they made an entire crossbow with only ruby bolts in mind but the bad pvm spec was found to recreate a strat that was nerfed a while ago
For now I hope they fix the smite stacking and a little later rework bolts and zcb as a whole. Dont see the latter being done by Jagex and since we the players cant do the things jagex doesnt want to do, I wont hold my breath
tall stump
ah yes it fits great for pve, cause everyone uses sapphire bolt proc in pve righ...
Do sapphire bolts even work in PvE?
unborn flume
it does not...
tulip crest
If it works exactly the same as ancient mace before the fix its kinda dumb they even released it in this state tbh.... Why fix the ancient mace if ur gonna replace it with another wep? Gageg?
unborn flume
If it works exactly the same as ancient mace before the fix its kinda dumb they ...
the thing is, its 100x better than an ancient mace
- u can spec from a range distance
- the crossbow is obviously much better than something that has equiv stats to black mace
summer depot
Just gonna mention that if they buff the new staff to do more than "10% extra efffects" on acient spells ZCB needs to also be on the same bolt cause the effect is dogshit on anything that isn't ruby (It's also bad on rubies, its only masked because rubies are a free 100 damage hitsplat when you win the die rol)
dawn locust
No
tall stump
Just gonna mention that if they buff the new staff to do more than "10% extra ef...
They need to rework half the bolts
summer depot
Imo rework bolt effects by removing the rng element and rebalancing them for such.
Having guaranteed effects every hit opens up more possibilities of what they can do and where we can use them.
dawn locust
Imo rework bolt effects by removing the rng element and rebalancing them for suc...
No
summer depot
Gotta keep the skill ceiling of rolling ruby bolts more often
hidden python
No.
hidden python
Maybe?
worthy maple
@unborn flume but it’s funny when it happens
dawn locust
Hasn't been an issue for 20 years. You know the risk, don't walk into multi
tall stump
Hasn't been an issue for 20 years. You know the risk, don't walk into multi
The ZCB hasn't been out for 20 years lol
dawn locust
The prayer "smite", according to the wiki, was released on the 6th of September 2005.
tall stump
That's not what we are talking about
dawn locust
Yes it is
Protect item was released in 2001
So yes
It hasn't been an issue for 20 years unless you weren't intelligent enough to just not risk +1 in multicombat.
tall stump
Smite won't drop your prayer from full to 0 instantly in any situation wtf is your point lmao
tall stump
That isn't the issue
dawn locust
...
tall stump
The issue is something is not balanced
dawn locust
You just say it's not balanced because you don't like losing your +1
Don't bring it then, problem solved
It's not a development issue it's a player issue
People don't have to agree with you and it doesn't make them "brain dead"
Perhaps reflect on your own actions before putting the responsibility on others to do it for you
tall stump
You're the one being snarky so do one lmao
dawn locust
Who smited you?
I'm sorry you lost your dds, I'm sure you worked really hard for that
dawn locust
This might sound controversial. But...this wouldn't be an issue if you didn't ta...
^
Don't bring what you can't afford to lose, everyone knows this. If you lose it, that's completely on you and it's not the developers issue.
tall stump
The ZCB issue would be like being able to freeze someone for minutes by getting 20 people to cast entangle lol. Being able to stack prayer drains to drop people to 0 prayer is not balanced it's just a fact.
Make it a % of damage effect that is all
dawn locust
Why should a 300m bow not be useful in pvp?
Don't bring what you can't afford to lose
tall stump
You must be a RoT member, how's Jed doing?
dawn locust
Should we be handing out helmets for you to wear irl before you cross the ditch, and a little card that has a few basic tips for the wilderness? I don't get your analogy.
tall stump
Why should a 300m bow not be useful in pvp?
It is useful? People don't seem to use sapphire bolts in 1v1 with it
merry tapir
Why should a 300m bow not be useful in pvp?
because its literally a bug?
merry tapir
jagex has removed it several times its just next in line of smite bugs
merry tapir
its not intended to smite u for full prayer even if ur at 1hp
it should smite based on the amount of hp it takes
tall stump
This dude lmao
dawn locust
It is when several people use them
Thats how they work
Literally by the definition of their special attack
merry tapir
they have fixed that bug several times with things like bgs and ancient macr
dawn locust
You just don't like it doesn't mean it's a bug
merry tapir
why shouldnt they fix the bug this time?
merry tapir
yes they have fixed the bug several times lol
dawn locust
This is a feature you don't like there's a difference
merry tapir
with ancient mace and BGS do you remember those?
dawn locust
Ok bro you need to wear a helmet before you go to sleep oml
merry tapir
?
so its a known bug theyve fixed several times, this is just next in line lol
abuse it while you can because theyre removing it soon
dawn locust
It's amazing how much people will do to convince them selves and others of their opinion, including lying and denial
merry tapir
its literally a known bug
they have fixed it several times lmao how many times do i have to tell u this
dawn locust
It's not a bug lol
tall stump
Imagine throwing insults in a OSRS discussion lmao
dawn locust
They didn't "fix" anything, they altered how the items work
Perhaps when you speak about something don't spread misinformation
merry tapir
they fixed the smite passive to be based on the amount of health it takes to add counterplay like locator orb
dawn locust
It's not a fix
merry tapir
but you can literally smite from 1hp with zcb thats not intended whatsoever lol
merry tapir
its literally a bugfix lol stay coping
dawn locust
Enchanted sapphire bolts have a 5% chance of triggering the Clear Mind effect. This causes the target to lose prayer points calculated as 1/20th of the attacker's current Ranged stat, rounded down, and the attacker gains about half of them.[1] For example, if the attacker has level 99 in Ranged, then the target loses 4 prayer points, and the attacker gains 2.
The Zaryte crossbow has a special attack, Evoke, which consumes 75% of the player's special attack energy. The special attack provides doubled accuracy on the next shot, and guarantees the special effect of any enchanted bolts used, provided that the player lands a successful hit on the target.
It functions as intended
It is not a bug
merry tapir
tall stump
This was designed with the idea that you aren't going to be able to control the exact tick you proc it
dawn locust
The Zaryte crossbow has a passive effect that strengthens the effects of enchanted bolts by 10%. For example, with enchanted ruby bolts, the bolt's special effect, Blood Forfeit, would deal 22% of the opponent's current hitpoints with a cap of 110 damage, rather than the usual 20% damage and 100 hitpoints damage cap.
merry tapir
theyve fixed it 2 times already theyre definitely fixing it again lol
dawn locust
Smite is an overhead prayer unlocked at level 52 Prayer. It was the highest level prayer until the July 2007 introduction of Chivalry and Piety. When active, attacking another player will cause 25% of the damage done to be drained from their Prayer.
dawn locust
Everything is functioning as intended
You just don't like it doesn't mean it's a "bug"
Stop using the words bug and fix, neither are applicable here. It would be a "nerf"
merry tapir
its literally the definition of a bug thats why they fixed it 2 times thats not intended
dawn locust
Perhaps do your research on the protect item prayer
Bug is an error in coding, or something not functioning as intended
Your idea of bug is not what a bug is
merry tapir
yeah like an item smiting you even when youre 0hp? why else would they fix it with bgs and mace?
tall stump
It's an oversight
dawn locust
I don't mind because I don't bring +1 to multi because I know what multi combat is and how to be in the wilderness
I don't need a soft mat to greet me in lumbridge
merry tapir
most people want to use a wildy weapon for the wildy bosses and also fight people for fun thats what the whole boss is about
merry tapir
ur probably the same guy that complains about wildy being dead lol
dawn locust
And be able to abuse everything in the wilderness without repercussions
Stick to pvm
dawn locust
There's a really good movie about what happens when you listen to "most people"
tall stump
lmao
merry tapir
yeah because letting people not bring a +1 and deincentivicing skulling is definitely going to "save" wildy?
dawn locust
I'll do my best to explain it to you in a way that you might understand. The average IQ is 100, where as intelligence is typically at the 120+ mark. This means that listening to the majority actually isn't the best idea.
dawn locust
yeah because letting people not bring a +1 and deincentivicing skulling is defin...
You can bring a +1 if you can afford to lose it
Heck even 5 items
If you can afford to lose it
merry tapir
people arent going to skull or fight whatsoever if zcb is left as it is lol
dawn locust
Thats what the phrase "only bring what you can afford to lose" means
merry tapir
is that what you want
merry tapir
so then dont cry about wildy being dead lol
dawn locust
It's a place of high risk high reward
tall stump
You would be the worst game dev if you think this is balanced
dawn locust
If a clan is coordinated enough to be able to afford 20 people with zcb then you know what they deserve it
dawn locust
so then dont cry about wildy being dead lol
Wildy isn't dead because everything is too hard
It's dead because everything is too easy now
Look at all the changes and tell me that any of them made it actually harder for pkers and pvmers
There is none
Every change has been about catering to the complaints of people like yourself. The accumulation of this has left it where it is today
So perhaps consider this. Not everything needs to be easy and pleasant
Sometimes the risk is a positive thing
merry tapir
its literally dead bc of people like u asking for toxic playstyles to stay lol
dont cry if ur the reason its dead
dawn locust
They existed for 20 years and the wildy was fine
It's only dead now that they started changing all that so prove me wrong
Show me any evidence that supports your claims and maybe I'd listen
tall stump
Ah so it's too easy so we need to have effects stack. I propose stacking vulnerability in multi too.
dawn locust
A complaint is not always a healthy suggestion
merry tapir
Show me any evidence that supports your claims and maybe I'd listen
if you cant skull because youre gonna lose your +1 to nasty 20 man clans, noone is gonna skull or everyone is gonna tp except one victim they can kill for 50k
dawn locust
Unfortunately jagex did not have the foresight to see that and the damage is done
dawn locust
if you cant skull because youre gonna lose your +1 to nasty 20 man clans, noone ...
People have been unskulling for years I don't see that as an issue
Again you're clutching at straws
merry tapir
so youre saying that you want wildy to be dead
dawn locust
Try a cheaper +1
merry tapir
but youre crying about wildy being dead?
dawn locust
No I want the wildy to be good again, before all the complainers made everything so boring and pointless
merry tapir
if i got smited thats fair game but a guaranteed smite to a 20 man clan noone wants that
ur not even in a clan why are you simping for them this hard?
dawn locust
So the solution is simple
Don't bring what you can't afford to lose
It's really basic
merry tapir
why are u simping for clans this hard anyways?
dawn locust
I would suggest a warning that says this but they've already put that in
Perhaps you've had it toggled off for so long that you forgot
Listen mate
tall stump
No I want the wildy to be good again, before all the complainers made everything...
ZCB smiting doesn't somehow make up for Jagex making bad updates
dawn locust
Jagex have systematically deleted any kind of pking that is controversial and as a result, barely anyone has fun there anymore and so it's dead
merry tapir
its not fun to lose your stuff to bugs and also noone will want to do the content
dawn locust
It's so easy to understand if you look at the updates and collate it with the number of people in the wilderness
merry tapir
it would be better if you could go with friends and fight whoever came in but zcb wouldnt make that viable
which would kill off most people that want to go there
dawn locust
It didn't stop anyone from going there
It stopped people bringing items they didn't want to lose
merry tapir
i gladly bring what im willing to lose but thats literally a bug
thats not what im willing to lose if its a bug
merry tapir
theyve fixed it several times lol
dawn locust
Please read the wiki before you say your opinion
merry tapir
its not that hard to understand
tall stump
Why are you talking about issues not relevant to the thread. Make threads for them lol
merry tapir
its bug abuse
merry tapir
Why are you talking about issues not relevant to the thread. Make threads for th...
its about zcb spec tho?
dawn locust
They really should make it a mutable offence to spread misinformation in this Discord
tall stump
its about zcb spec tho?
Not you
dawn locust
At this point it's intentional harassment
dawn locust
Why are you talking about issues not relevant to the thread. Make threads for th...
It is relevant to the thread
merry tapir
yeah like what youre spewing lol
tall stump
He is saying Jagex ruining PvP is why ZCB needs to be OP
merry tapir
stop simping for clans you arent in
dawn locust
My opinion is pretty clear you don't have to agree with it, and it is not my responsibility to help you read what I'm talking about.
dawn locust
Thats the third time you've insulted me
Please refrain from being abusive when you don't agree with something
true flower
Can we block each other and move on
merry tapir
i dont blame the guy for getting a bit emotional when this guy is using bad faith arguments!
dawn locust
That was an analogy of how people are becoming too soft in regards to the wilderness, in no way was it an insult directed at you. My apologies if you took it as such.
true flower
@tall stump stop it.
dawn locust
Ultimately it is up to Jagex to decide, and it is important that they hear all sides of the story rather than just one. For every community you assist, you do so at the detriment of another.
merry tapir
yeah i wonder if theyre going to listen to the people trying to abuse a bug and use a cheap way to get +1 items and make people not want to do the content or literally everyone else lol
dawn locust
It's not cheap
A zcb is 300m
And its not a bug
Please don't keep spreading misinformation
No one will take you seriously if you do that
merry tapir
dawn locust
Actually coordinating a smite attempt takes significant effort and precise timing from several people
merry tapir
yeah listening to a guy count down from 3 on discord definitely takes skill lol
what else do you have to say mr 120 iq
tall stump
The clan isn't likely to lose their ZCBs lol
dawn locust
Why not make a clan of zcb and smite them back?
There's nothing stopping you from doing that
Perhaps it would be lucrative
merry tapir
its called having dignity!
tall stump
lmao
dawn locust
Dignity in the wilderness? Lol
merry tapir
and getting 20 people to smite someone for 10m lol
dawn locust
Since when did anyone care about that past level 5 wilderness
dawn locust
Ok so if its about dignity well where do we draw the line? Ethically it is wrong to kill a certain community of pvmers who rely on the wilderness to feed their family. Do we grant them immunity? Ethically it is wrong to kill the ironman just trying to get some prayer xp. Do we give immunity to them too? Doing things in the name of Dignity has harmful effects long term.
tall stump
Ok so if its about dignity well where do we draw the line? Ethically it is wrong...
None of that is unethical though?
merry tapir
Ok so if its about dignity well where do we draw the line? Ethically it is wrong...
the line is abusing a bug
dawn locust
So you don't mind killing a person who lives in a country where the economy is so bad that they resort to killing revenants to survive irl?
merry tapir
?
tall stump
I will do it and laugh
dawn locust
Well I'm sure that rot is laughing too
So how it is it any different
Both are considered undignified
weary solstice
I’m going to lock this thread if you guys can’t behave and be nice
tall stump
Jagex isn't welfare