game-update

[sacred oracle]

same for blorva

[hard axle]

Apparently not cuz most people spew the same garbage each time when crying about rates and saying how sepulcher isn’t worth it

Am I in trouble

[hasty shard]

by like 30k xp

[sacred oracle]

i would sacrifice my greenlog for radiant oathplate sigils to be added

[hard axle]

Floor 4 no looting is like 75-80k/hr iirc

[covert cradle]

You're pretty invested in this seplucher minigame

[hasty shard]

not worth it over boosting ardy imo

[sacred oracle]

sepulcher is the best way to train agility in the game

[hasty shard]

or doing prif course

[pine juniper]

what reason should they not have just removed 3t and not touch the rates of rubiem? or even make the rate higher but lower the damn rubiem themselves

[sacred oracle]

it's the most fun, the most lucrative

[hard axle]

@covert cradle

[covert cradle]

brother im aware

[sacred oracle]

though ring of endurance price is in the bin, so it's nowhere near the gph it used to be

[pine juniper]

they said they didnt wanna put too much of those balls into the game but then added more rubiem

[sacred oracle]

in the Agility Golden Age, though, it was like 4m+ gph to get the best agility xph

was great

[hasty shard]

this reply to kierans comment on the reddit thread 😭

[sacred oracle]

more rubiem as a drop but less people doing it because it will no longer be THE default mining method because it's overtuned

so less of the material coming into the game

[minor whale]

They want the resource to be gathered quicker but don't want you to get insane gather rates and very solid xp

[chrome lantern]

To which comment

[covert cradle]

stinky seplucher lovers never went back after 99 tho

[hard axle]

says who

[pine juniper]

man they better just remove 3t and thats it

[sacred oracle]

3t is just a boogeyman

it is not the problem

[sharp cave]

The one where he's saying that it slipped through and they will learn from this

[pine juniper]

it is because every skill that has it, it is now the standard lol

[sacred oracle]

you could remove all tick manipulation from the game, and the mining rates would still be balanced the same: removing 3t won't suddenly make no-effort methods 130k

[pine juniper]

he was also sayin somethin about a mining/smithing update

[sacred oracle]

also, importantly, 3t isn't hard to do

[hard axle]

Yup, people complaining about tick manipulation skilling rates don’t understand that

[sacred oracle]

anyone can do it!

easily!

[sharp cave]

Oh

[sacred oracle]

trivially even!

[pine juniper]

again, no one is asking for no effort 130k

[hasty shard]

tell reddit that

[chrome lantern]

My question is that if it’s unchanged since beta

[hasty shard]

😭

[pine juniper]

if im clicking often, i should get good xp lol

[chrome lantern]

Why did it take so long to add it to the game

[austere mulch]

At a minimum, this opens up tons of space below it for future content to get more xp or rewards

[covert cradle]

I wonder if tick manip methods cause normal methods to be set at a lower xp

[hard axle]

If VM wasn’t so afk, I would say buff it lmao

[covert cradle]

and thats why normal methods feel so doodoo

[hasty shard]

buff solo vm

[chrome lantern]

Whoa we can’t be suggesting team content now

[sharp cave]

I dont care if anyone can do it, its just horrible to keep designing content with it in mind

[chrome lantern]

Don’t be absurd

[true talon]

Hear me out, we get agility exp while running around.

[sacred oracle]

but why though

[chrome lantern]

Heard and rejected

[sacred oracle]

what's wrong with it

[hasty shard]

as much as i want team content to be good

[true talon]

lol

[sacred oracle]

people say it like it's self-evident it's bad

[minor whale]

It's not horrible to design content around the highest effort you can put into the skill

[hard axle]

Hear me out, stop being lazy

[hasty shard]

they seem to hate letting people actually team up

[true talon]

What you get agility exp for doing courses how that any different

[sacred oracle]

it's just clicking a lot, which we generally balance content around (low intensity vs high)

[minor whale]

Yeah all the arguments about it being "bad" are just presupposing that 3 tick is somehow a negative for the game

[brisk hill]

Best take

[sacred oracle]

so what should replace tick manip on the high end? what kind of high-intensity clicking is better for some reason?

[hasty shard]

what id give for a ffa randoms instance system for zalcano/vm

[minor whale]

Then they say they want good rates for clicking a lot

[hasty shard]

instead of cc bs

[ashen yarrow]

only if character weight of over 100kg to make it balanced

[minor whale]

Like brother that's 3 tick you're asking for 3 tick

[hasty shard]

also cox

[true talon]

Hamster wheel on a course or passive exp while being active. How it any different.

[minor whale]

You're saying click a lot should be rewarding, let's remove clicking a lot for rewards

[sharp cave]

I want good rates for clicking a lot that isnt clicking itmes on each other in my inventory

[hard axle]

Passive xp of any kind is busted. It’s why people love dark relics despite it only being 2-5k/hr

[covert cradle]

Make all skills afk so people can focus on pvm so i get better WDR teams

[chrome lantern]

Tassili you’re effectively suggesting to just not ever train Agility, that’s pretty different

[minor whale]

Why
Why does it matter where you're clicking a lot
Do you think an in-world 3 tick method you'd be more inclined to do?

[golden sigil]

"It's a good thing you guys didn't design Ultrakill, or it would have sucked" -Hakita

[brisk hill]

Salvage npc for every skill omg

[true talon]

Nah you train agility by playing over going to a course

Similar to how sailing gives sailing exp

[hasty shard]

insane tangent cant a lvl 3 skiller do megascale cox for slayer xp from shamans

[minor whale]

Almost everyone who says they would do intense methods if only they didn't have to bug abuse by doing the exploit of tick manip is just lying

[hasty shard]

that just popped into my head

[true talon]

I didn’t say it was high exp I just said it could give exp lol

[minor whale]

Because when they do add intense methods that aren't tick manip they still don't do them lmao

[hard axle]

1 billion percent

[hard axle]

These are the same people that refuse to do high level content when they exist and demand more friendly content be made cuz “not enough gap fillers”

[chrome lantern]

Like if I look at “xp from
running” from the same basis Jagex has stated for xp balancing:
-No input for the output. Fails activity balancing from activity level, reward (in this case, no time/resource input) and xp perspective (zero-time xp)

[merry finch]

What do they have for mining that isn't 3tick and isn't expensive tho lol

[covert cradle]

Melees got beef with the whole world

[obsidian venture]

Zulrah is afk 😌

[humble heath]

factz

[hasty shard]

you could afk zulrah it just has a lot of rng involved

:clueless:

[humble heath]

feel like every update recently is to cater to shitters who don't do end game content

[pine juniper]

just clicking the damn rocks atp, idc if its in a specific pattern or what but you could get the same result by randomize what order you have to click like 5 rocks or something
or however many make enough variance. tick manip cripples development because they have to work around it/with it. which is why theyre removing it from rubiem

[chrome lantern]

Zulrah doesn’t respawn without leaving so I can’t 30min afk it

[true talon]

I want more end game content that isn’t cosmetic or locked behind entry keys.

[hasty shard]

one more dscim sidegrade bro itll fix midgame trust me

[pine juniper]

shi i do, i love doin shit. i hate afkscape. thats why im trawllin and not bwannin

[true talon]

Mid and early game has never been better tbh

[minor whale]

VM
Blast Mining
Zalcano
All more intense than the completely afk methods and easily double or triple their XP and yet people just don't do them often for xp

[hasty shard]

the one gap filler i want is an agility method from like 80-92 that doesnt suck ass

aka unnerfing diary cape brimhaven

[pine juniper]

VM yes, but zalcano?

[true talon]

If I make a new iron today the path and options to weps and skilling are vastly different than before

[sharp cave]

I seriously dont understand what people see in tick manip, its genuinely baffling that people want this mechanic to stay around rather than design active methods that actually interact with the game world and not just the inventory

[chrome lantern]

“The demonic aegis will fill the crush demonbane niche”

[pine juniper]

i dont remember the zalcano rates

[pine juniper]

this +1000

[hasty shard]

they buffed them a year or two ago

[brisk hill]

Don’t you guys remember that poll they did a few years ago regarding total lvls and activity? Like 50% of the game was ~1200 total lvl. Since then this has been the meta for jaggy releasing content. How can any of you be surprised?

[sharp cave]

If it doesn't matter where its being clicked I still don't understand why you wouldn't want to advocate for activities taking place in the game

[hasty shard]

70-80k/h iirc and you still get uniques/shards

[minor whale]

Zalcano is like 70k/hr at 80 mining and scales up

[true talon]

Brah if they released that thing for doom and doom is not even a melee boss lol

[merry finch]

Vm they need to fix how grouping works. I enjoy it when I can get a group but being forced to join a discord is a barrier for a lot of people. The issue isn't the method itself.
I love blast mine but I can't afford it on it iron.
A TON of people do zalcano

[pine juniper]

i planned on doing VM & Zalcano while i went for 90

[hard axle]

I got beef with people wanting to be rewarded disproportionately cuz I dislike when balance is yeeted out the window for zero or emotional reasons.

I’m fine with nearly all afk methods, but they can’t be a big chunk of the most active methods.

We already have a 10% ehb 20 minute afk agility method if you’re willing to build it in your POH.

Salvaging was also 20% ehb, but folks cried about it getting taken down to 10-15% cuz “muh time” when it’s fully afk outside of sorting

Keep shit fair and balanced.

[minor whale]

It is interacting with the game world though
It's like saying why does combat need to interact with your inventory, just let us heal like Scurrius with food stationed around the area

[chrome lantern]

“Should we release the Earthbound tecpatl to finish the 55attack double-hit trinity that we just invented, filling more niches that don’t exist?”

[minor whale]

It's part of the game to interact with all aspects of what's on screen

[pine juniper]

i just want tick manip removed and the clicks required just put into the skilling methods to get more xp i dunno

or make it like that infernal shale cloth

[minor whale]

There's absolutely no difference between clicking position x, y on your screen versus clicking position x+500, y+500 on your screen the same amount of clicks for the same xp

[sharp cave]

Yeah shame that tick manip removes everything except the one or 2 nodes you are next to and a pair of logs and knives

[hasty shard]

and sorting is afk even

[ashen yarrow]

I figured how to balance rubium 3t, You make the extra roll spawn slag in players inventory to force them to drop it

[true talon]

I was motivated to skill by shooting stars, salvaging and ironwoods. Afk with decent rates feels good to do. Unlike agility which is 60k at max an hour on most courses that require you to constantly click everything.

[hasty shard]

like a minute burst of zero interaction that you cant speed up 😭

[hard axle]

Yeah, cuz they flooded with 90-95% “downgrades” of the old item and is easier to get the same as before.

An example of testing balance out the window for zero.

[true talon]

Or rune crafting

[chrome lantern]

“Decent rates” that are excessively disproportionately high for the zero input

[hard axle]

POH Agility good sir

[true talon]

I made 100k smoke runes other day and it was terrible

[minor whale]

Legit lol
Saying salvaging is balanced is crazy

Salvaging is still hella broken for how afk it is

[hard axle]

Didn’t you say you wouldn’t ever max RC because there’s no reason to when you have scar essence lmao

it wasn’t an xp issue

[true talon]

Correct I get all my exp from scar ess runes

[ashen yarrow]

well its now on par with afk woodcutting

[pine juniper]

one is lame and one is built into the activity. ive done tick manip for a lot of bs but i just think baking it into skilling methods without doing weird inv shit is better

[sacred oracle]

i was so annoyed when jagex walked back the salvaging nerf

[chrome lantern]

I mean surely you didn’t think Tassili actually got 100k smokes without scar

[sacred oracle]

salvaging is so op and out of balance that most people don't even engage with the rest of sailing

[true talon]

Hell no

[sacred oracle]

and then complain about how boring the skill is (!)

[true talon]

Making 100k with scar ess was terrible

[hard axle]

lol

[pine juniper]

trawling would be more xp if they kept the salvaging nerf

[covert cradle]

I think Jagex really showed us what to expect in the future with salvaging, brand new skill could be designed exactly how they want and they added a very good afk option, hope to see more in the future

[pine juniper]

painful

[chrome lantern]

Did like 4m of my rc xp at lavas

[ashen yarrow]

Like people say afk salvaging is too op, meanwhile ironwood trees also give afk 100k xp/h

[hard axle]

yup, no matter how bland the skill or underdeveloped is, just slap on afk

[sacred oracle]

spend years developing a skill only to make the afk option so overpowered that people don't engage with the rest of it

[true talon]

Needing to get a new neck every 5 trips repair my pouches, make sure to click air rune onto the altar, I kept making fire runes sometimes. Each click removes 1 charge of the binding necklace so you use 3 per trip and there is 16 charges.

[pine juniper]

ironwoods is just a gp sink tho

[sharp cave]

Shame the brand new skills best exp method is parking your boat and endlessly clicking on logs and a knif4

[sacred oracle]

i've never played a game where people are so interested in not playing it as much as possible

it's an odd situation

[sharp cave]

I mean whats the point if all the best methods are just going to be the same except its a salvaging hook instead of an ore rock thats weaved in-between the log and knife?

[true talon]

Making combo runes was the worst

[ashen yarrow]

yes ironwoods are resource players can use gp to make into planks for afk construction training

[hard axle]

One is 7 minutes, the other is 30 minutes.

Jagex specifically addressed the problem with longer afk skilling methods like 6 hour duke mining.

The less you have to interact, the more you have to trim the XP or people will just overnight the XP.

They instantly fixed the 6 hour afk sailing method 😭

[ashen yarrow]

you are not getting 100k xp/h salvaging for 30min

[sharp cave]

Id rather they designd the content in such a way that it at least feels like different content

[merry finch]

I feel like everyone forgets that xp isn't the ONLY reward. They also have to balance the item rewards. The issue with 3t rubium is that you don't have to drop anything and you get a high-value product out of it. Theres no way to fully balance 3tick in this situation without affecting people who don't 3tick negatively. You have 3t granite for xp, just do that. 3t doesn't have to be in everything to be a valid method.

[ashen yarrow]

30min salvaging with just crewmates wont even break 50k xp/h

[hard axle]

No, I’m saying that the longer afk period is, the worse the xp has to be

[chrome lantern]

People get to, “I don’t like x method” but then ignore the possibilities of, “What other methods can I try” or proposing a new method and just say, “give me a method where I don’t have to play”

[minor whale]

Nah people hated when I said this on Reddit lmao

[true talon]

Water agility didn’t really have a reward was the problem.

[sharp cave]

Right so take out the tick manip

Suddenly everything is fine

[hard axle]

dude, add moby whale

[ashen yarrow]

people confuse the 30min crew only salvaging with player salvaging himself

[minor whale]

I pointed out that Rubium 3t checked all the boxes of profitable, less effort than granite, and equal XP
And they freaked the fuck out

[true talon]

You did water agility and got high exp and that’s it

[pine juniper]

yeah which is why they took tick manip (good). shouldve kept norm xp da same tho

[minor whale]

Jagex thought the XP was a bit too high for the resources you gather

[true talon]

While salvaging gave gp, herbs, gems and was chill

[minor whale]

It's a fair take from them

[merry finch]

People on reddit don't have critical thinking skills

[true talon]

Irons were forced into salvaging to as we needed dragon cannons

[sacred oracle]

it's funny that jagex verbatim said they had the same problem with rubium that you pointed out in your post

[hard axle]

Which you couldn’t store most of them or had to manually store

[sacred oracle]

the post in which people were Big Mad

[true talon]

They since fixed that though.

[hard axle]

Yeah

[ashen yarrow]

the fix is to spawn slag in players inventory from extra roll to force them into dropping something

[true talon]

Now we can though lol

[sacred oracle]

there were even other posts specifically parodying your post, which was even funnier

[true talon]

Silken and gem bag would be a must unlock before you salvaging on an iron

[hard axle]

Yeah, but on release

I should check how many red topaz went poof

[minor whale]

I had a guy called rimwald constantly posting that I was lying about the XP rates of Rubium and that it maxed out at 60k/hr
My post repeatedly said 3 ticking lmao
He just didn't know what 3 ticking was and kept posting all over it how I was wrong about the XP
It's wild these people are able to vote on the game

[true talon]

Over 2500 for me lol

[sacred oracle]

reddit does definitely tend to have a different mix of players than we have here

[true talon]

87-99

[sacred oracle]

the ratios are quite different

[true talon]

I need BMR to free me from chambers.

[chrome lantern]

Ehrm, ackshually, if you had been 3ting he would’ve been correct but you were 1.5ting :^)

[ashen yarrow]

Like honestly the only way we will ever get new good active mining method is if it has afk version that grants more resources than tick manipulation. Only way to achieve that is for tick manipulation method to convert resource into trash item

[minor whale]

Oof ouch owie my misinformation

[dawn jackal]

wow this is dissapointing

[merry finch]

I am increasingly concerned that we're letting loud, irrational people dictate the way the game works. It's why they rolled back the salvaging changes. Jagex needs to let people just be angry that their broken methods go away for the health of the game

[hard axle]

Reddit is worse because there’s no form of verification.

The 99% anonymity allows you to be the worst version of yourself.

Discord is harder because you see folks post their achievement across discords and you can find out if they’re yapping or know what they’re saying.

[vital portal]

That's honestly a tough question to answer.

[dawn jackal]

You could but the baba yaga and a knife log in front of jagex at this point and they are more scared of the knife log

extremely dissapointing

[minor whale]

Yup
Jagex just needs to nut up and tell people they can't all be granted the easiest possible methods for everything every time

[hard axle]

I love afk methods more than the next person, but still believe they need to be balanced more harshly than lightly.

[true talon]

No1 wants to skill, they rather not focus on it and have it be side monitor content. And then they would focus on bossing.

[dawn jackal]

you don't want to skill.

I love to skill its why i play this game

[true talon]

Ok you are in the minority though

[ashen yarrow]

people also dont want to raid so do we need auto play button that raids for you

[covert cradle]

Skilling is just a side quest to get the max cape

[true talon]

It’s required on an Ironman

[dawn jackal]

This is just the most ridiculously lazy fix. ALL they needed to do was remove the double roll chance when 3t'ing the rubium and rates are in line for the effort you put in

[ashen yarrow]

skilling is also not required for ironman. It is required if you want to play specific way though

[vital portal]

Considering how many people were in favor of a non-combat skill during the polls. Saying nobody wants to skill is just wrong.

[true talon]

Nope if they don’t raid they don’t have the powerful items on iron or they have to money make to buy them on Main.

[covert cradle]

idk i feel like you could get away with it for quite a while now a days without too much skilling

[chrome lantern]

Eh you can do a LOT without skilling, or minimally

I know plenty of irons that feel like they are allergic to skilling

[ashen yarrow]

You can play ironman without ever touching fishing and get food from other sources

[true talon]

I e heard nothing but delete sailing since it was a concept

[hard axle]

it’s barley required, evident by the fact you’re able to opt out of skilling at a certain level now and you’ve been talking about it.

The amount of irons I’ve seen hating on prepping supplies m is insane.

[vital portal]

That's because the more opposition will be more vocal in the spaces where they want to be heard.

[true talon]

I agree, but certain skill lvls is required for unlocks.

[chrome lantern]

None of those unlocks are required either

You do them when you value them above your distaste for the activity

And that’s fine

[dawn jackal]

just a really dissapointing blog post. I understand why they are making changes but I strongly disagree with how the changes are being made. Heaven forbid someone want to do something active to get a resource quicker than someone who doesn't want to actively play.

[vital portal]

Like, skiller over here, most of my time I'm just playing the game with little issue.

[true talon]

I actually don’t hate skilling, I just don’t rush it to max.

[covert cradle]

I thought prepping supplies was gonna be a nightmare, was the main reason keepin me from playin iron. Its really not bad at all though haha

[vital portal]

I'm not an ironman because it makes skilling more painful, honestly

[ashen yarrow]

only thing max cape is required for is flexing that own a max cape

[true talon]

I have better things to do and can passively get exp from other activities such as I got 91-92 woodcutting just doing ice demon in chambers.

[chrome lantern]

Honestly if anything you’re just demonstrating that people feel entitled to unlocks, levels, maxing, etc. Which is effectively what “make more stars/salvaging” is saying

“I want to have x without actually doing x”

[true talon]

I got 85 mining to 1 down the pillar in toa

[chrome lantern]

That’s not good design

[true talon]

And 92 when I got a tbow

[vital portal]

Neither is tick manip

[dawn jackal]

Tick manipulated skilling is the most unintentionally balanced system jagex has in this game

[true talon]

To me the skill and its lvl has to be rewarding to my acc to get.

[covert cradle]

They should Rendi everyone who has used tic manipulation and reset them as if they did the inteded rates

[vital portal]

the majority of the game is not tick manip, and I don't need it.

[dawn jackal]

no one at any time forces you to bring out the knife log

[true talon]

Like no difference in 70 fire making and 99

[chrome lantern]

“Skilling is required on my restricted account” is the same as saying you don’t want the restriction you chose for yourself, also.
And if you don’t want to play that way, don’t play a restricted account.

[hard axle]

I think I’ve done more herb runs than the folks complaining and legit it’s not bad at all 😭

But consistently, I’ve seen folks whining about supplies, almost as much as the bowfa grind, most of which comes from people complaining from secondhand experience too

[dawn jackal]

and yet the rat pack seems to think if tick manipulated skilling exists in the game its bad for them who will never ever do it

[vital portal]

I don't want a repetitive strain injury tbh.

[dawn jackal]

THEN DON't do it what the fuck am i reading

just insanely stupid commentary

[true talon]

Idc about tick manip skilling, I won’t do it but more power to those who do.

[hard axle]

It’s the same crowd that says “delete 1t flicking” when it doesn’t do anything to drain rates 🪦

[true talon]

I don’t think limiting choice is good and that they should offer alternatives to everyone.

[ashen yarrow]

"bowfa is must have item because i hear it is used as best item for every content"

[dawn jackal]

The idea that you can put more effort into the game and get better xp without removing the activity for people who want to do the activity in a more reclined way is pretty much perfect design

[true talon]

But it’s always those who tick Manip who cry when the alternatives get even 20% as close as their tick methods

[covert cradle]

I also think that "tick manip or get absolute garbage rates" is a bad take too

[vital portal]

There's a limit to how much tick manipulation should play a hand in skilling activities. There's a place for it, but it shouldn't be what the game is designed around. That's my take.

[hard axle]

No no, it’s worse than that. They larp about doing CG and then they tell you it’s 12 minute clears per kc

[vital portal]

If everything were designed around tick manipulation the game would give us hand cramps.

[wispy marten]

Ban all good methods make everyone bank everything slow it all down

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think most people care about tick manipulation specifically at all in that matter, it’s the overall concept of activity level/difficulty proportionality to rewards

And that scale deserves to be nonlinear

[merry finch]

Yeah that's why we're not talking about removing it at granite. You will still have granite, go do that.

[dawn jackal]

people argue against a skiller that doesn't exist haha its so frustrating

i can assure you skillers really didn't care about this rubium mining

[ashen yarrow]

there are people who take 12min every attempt and sometimes fail because they didnt prep in time.

[hard axle]

I’ve seen folks complain about fishing rates, but non-afk non-tick manipulation rates hitting 90k/hr isn’t awful imo

[ruby geode]

I would say the average person does this

[hard axle]

and that’s the problem

Balancing aroundshit players is like balancing around iron tier in MOBAs

[chrome lantern]

I think this is partly skewed by a disconnect between where people are told they “should” do cg and the level of skills people think they actually need to do cg and is easily remedied by getting better at the game and/or doing other stuff

[dawn jackal]

skillers just laughed that another meta method was put in the game without any polling and then realized it was slightly worse than granite and moved on

[ashen yarrow]

Like you can say mta takes on average 5hours and someone will complain it took them 10 hours

[ruby geode]

Elitists not grasping the concept of average skill level strikes again

[hard axle]

I daresay that 90% of people asking for echo hunleff to skip prep phase are also expecting bowfa rates to remain the same

and that’s just not balanced

[patent magnet]

so if making cannonballs isnt approved by jagex because you can get exp multiple times from a single metal bar, should we just delete giants foundry?

[vital portal]

Because there's already different options for skillers to allow themselves to adjust. And 50k xp/hr for a moderately active mining task is like, fine

[merry finch]

It's not slightly worse than granite because you don't have to drop anything and you get a high tier product out of it rofl

[dawn jackal]

it is slightly worse xp than granite

[merry finch]

Xp isn't the only thing that matters

[dawn jackal]

i don't know how much more clearly i can say that

I agree but just referencing the "high end skillers" that exist

[ashen yarrow]

spawning in with full t3 set and rates need to be better

[dawn jackal]

could give a rats ass if a method is lower effort its not like granite is hard to begin with

[hard axle]

And it shouldn’t be balanced around bad gameplay because bad gameplay can range from average 5 kc an hour to a guy wiping 90% of attempts and gets 1 clear every 4 hours.

[pallid pecan]

I dont have an issue with tick manipulation, but my issue is where it is then considered when balancing content when it's not intentional gameplay.

[merry finch]

If xp is the only thing that matters there's no issue with removing rubium cause granite is still better

[dawn jackal]

its HOW they are nuking rubium not that they are that's frustrating

[obsidian venture]

Legit

[rare carbon]

Why are they nerfing the xp from a miserable skill to train

[acoustic robin]

So...if they can theoretically making tick manip impossible for rubium can they just remove tick manip entirely and adjust xp rates across the board up to compensate? I've hated the idea of balancing around something that feels more like an exploit every time its brought up for years (this is my warm take tick manip = exploit imo)

[ashen yarrow]

issue is its close to granite with tick manipulation but you do not have to drop anything

[wispy marten]

"Muh suffering was worse so yours should be too"

Easy way to solve this. Just release jim's wet cloth lets tick manip everything

[dawn jackal]

why take away someones option to play the game more actively for no benefit?

[obsidian venture]

Simply because it was not intended

[merry finch]

Yes

[warm epoch]

why not use the poll system

[obsidian venture]

Usually stuff like this is polled

[vital portal]

I mean they nerfed rubium for, tick manipulators, and buffed it for everyone who actually wants the resource

[rare carbon]

Do the devs not like test anything before they roll out a change

[obsidian venture]

Legit folks still win

[chrome lantern]

Whether it was intended decades ago is more or less immaterial to balancing now. It’s fine if we have other activities that are comparable xp rates, if the actual difficulty/activity level is proportionate.

[ashen yarrow]

I say just add slag that spawns when tick manipulating rubium so people ahve to drop something there too

[obsidian venture]

Sadly not really

[merry finch]

For balance. You don't always get to have a benefit for balance.

[patent magnet]

they have jobs so i guess they dont really do the unemployment tests on xp rates

[dawn jackal]

so the concept that playing more actively is more rewarding is not balanced?

goodness me

[golden sigil]

So am I crazy for liking giants foundry or

[obsidian venture]

No

[rare carbon]

Not really unemployment test on 20m of 1.5t mining

[hard axle]

This I can understand.

At the same time, if existing methods are similar requirements and click intensity, one shouldn’t be massively ahead of the other.

If you want something super high XP, it should be sepulcher versus rooftop dynamic.

Almost no one complains about sepulcher being too high xp, more people complain it could be higher.

[patent magnet]

but why have it tied to the same activity, why not just make higher effort higher xp rate stuff (see sepulcher)

[dawn jackal]

what does this even mean

[chrome lantern]

What if we just had the 50-60k non tick manip method and then adjusted tick manip to be like 50% better instead of 134k

[merry finch]

Correct because it is exponentially more rewarding and that level of reward is unbalanced.

[dawn jackal]

yes all they had to do was remove the double roll chance at rubium

and its like 95k to 3t it

[chrome lantern]

I agree with that

[pallid pecan]

That's bc they don't get the concept of a grind. I accept I'm a lazy prick lol

[minor whale]

They can make higher XP methods for mining, sure
But they should be polled and not just haphazardly thrown in accidentally after a YEAR of us saying hey you guys oopsied during the beta

[dawn jackal]

but they just say nope no one gets to use a knife log fuck anyone who wants to play this game

[vital portal]

Yes, but there is so much more involved in the making and playing of sepulchre than tick manipulation.

[chrome lantern]

Or at least remove the xp for double roll

[fervent igloo]

Jagex why do you keep making changes based on the complaints of a loud minority.

[chrome lantern]

Get more yield but not as much bonus xp

[minor whale]

Asking to remove tick manip as a whole for all skilling is just so silly lmao

[ashen yarrow]

or we just add slag that spawn instead of resource when tick manipulating so players have to drop like with granite and issue is solved

[merry finch]

Would this not negatively impact people who don't 3t more than intended tho and make the non-3t method less balanced when it comes to items/hr

[fervent igloo]

Nah this needs to happen at least it needs to stop being considered a legitimate methos

[vital portal]

The changes don't benefit the minority of players. More rubium.

[dawn jackal]

you don't get a double roll chance when not 3ting

[chrome lantern]

I don’t want to drop stuff when mining my stackable resources

[minor whale]

Why
It's the most effort required for a method and rewards the most XP
The game shouldn't balance around something easier just because people can't do tick manip

[acoustic robin]

them simultaneously increasing the rubium output and nuking the smithing xp is going to most likely force the value of splinters to be abysmally low. If wanting the resource to make your own incendiary cannonballs then it still holds some value but eh.

[vital portal]

Go to Rubium, get more rubium for the thing rubium is made for

[patent magnet]

yeah thats why tick manip is bug abuse and should be bannable

[ashen yarrow]

the removal of tick manipulation no, the extra balancing nerfs the xp rate for afk too though

[dawn jackal]

I mean at this point this discord would vote yes on any buff to skilling regardless of balance so I am just rage baiting myself

[vital portal]

Yeah but like, that's in line with a lot about what Runescape does. If they wanted to give you raw gp, they could just give you gold.

[chrome lantern]

Unfortunately true

[dawn jackal]

you got 1800 total levels acting like they deserve an opinion on skilling methods they'll never do

[patent magnet]

giants foundry moment

[covert cradle]

They should poll tick manipulating, just bcs im curious to see what the community opinion would be on it

[fervent igloo]

And reddit will bitch about anything even remotely generous it balances

[merry finch]

Does this double roll work at granite?

[warm epoch]

which community wouldnt?

[chrome lantern]

That it’s not rewarding enough?

[warm epoch]

reddit, twitter, discord

[brisk hill]

“1800 total levels” very generous of you

[dawn jackal]

holy fuck stop pinging me

[warm epoch]

they'd all vote yes

[vital portal]

Yeah but Giant's Foundry has its uses. It's upgrades are alright, it's economical, and it's steady exp.

[fervent igloo]

I would love this to happen that needs to go

[hasty shard]

yes/no

you roll granite twice but it only has one deposit, so you only get 1 item and xp drop

[covert cradle]

If i had to bet, I would think a very small percentage of the community are in favor of tick manip

[chrome lantern]

Yes, but granite rocks are always depleted, so it’s effectively just a higher success rate

[ashen yarrow]

people will fight it saying it is integral part of the game so cannot be removed even if majority want it gone

[patent magnet]

it's more like bringing 1.5 teaks to mining i think

[acoustic robin]

I'm just disappointed that they're talking a severe nerf to the smithing xp because I was looking forward to just having another option for good/decent rates

[patent magnet]

since u can double log that

[chrome lantern]

1.5t mining has already existed

[minor whale]

The majority of the players being lazy and wanting high effort to be removed isn't a shocker
Doesn't mean Jagex is gonna do it lmao

[merry finch]

Would removing the double roll then potentially tank granite? I'm thinking that they didn't do this simply because of game code limitations and not wanting to incidentally punish granite

[vital portal]

We have blast furnace and many forms of smithing already.

[covert cradle]

Ya im just curious like what the percentage would be, I honestly think it would be something like %10 or less

[minor whale]

They could poll making every single skill 300k XP/hr and it'd get over 50%

[chrome lantern]

Calcified rocks, stars, there’s actually plenty of examples

[sharp cave]

Truly I cant believe anyone is arguing that the pinnacle of training a skill should rely on a bug from 25 years ago

[minor whale]

Doesn't mean that'd be healthy at all for the game

[sharp cave]

Its absolutely crazy

[patent magnet]

even wilder that jagex is listening to them

[fervent igloo]

I also would agree its just that really loud, smelly, and annoying percentage.

[acoustic robin]

Doesn't mean I wouldn't mind having something different to shake things up

[ashen yarrow]

rubium method for mining has always existed, issue is people dont need to drop anything. SO you could just fix it by spawning slag from the extra roll instead of rubium to force them to drop like they want to

[minor whale]

I can't believe people are so mad about a method they don't even use being the best still, and they still wouldn't do a method that took similar amount of effort lol

[vital portal]

Yeah but, probably shouldn't be rubium then.

[chrome lantern]

I think that’s a shallow way of looking at making best use of game systems

[sharp cave]

This is a subjective assessment of the situation

[hasty shard]

they should change teak logs to roids that you inject so its more thematic

[minor whale]

Yeah bro it's an opinion
They're subjective lmao

You've also been saying subjective stuff wws

[sharp cave]

We are just going to fundamentally disagree with what is and isnt a good use of a game system

[minor whale]

That's how discussions work

[dawn jackal]

people get on hands and knees for port khazard and turn around and say that 3t skilling methods should be removed its pants on heads stupid

but people just want to be given a max account so whatever

[vital portal]

Rubium as a smithing option doesn't really provide new gameplay, just a stackable afk method. But like, that's only slightly less work than Priff with darts or rune swords.

[fervent igloo]

Its not an intended system that ia widely disliked and still constantly used to balance xp rates. It was old when they used it to nerf sailing and even older now.

[patent magnet]

they should add flow state to the main game but only if you forgo all worldly possessions and cant have gp in your invent or bank. become a skilling monk

[sharp cave]

Karmabwans being bugged and ignoring the eat delay is a good example of a bug becoming a integral part of the games systems

[covert cradle]

Ya lmaoo, I don't really care if they have it in the game or not because I'm just never gonna do it, never really thought about how that affects the regular players xp rates though

[fervent igloo]

Its not that it exists, its that jagex takes those rates into consideration when balancing

[chrome lantern]

I see a lot of parallels between this and something like red-xing out even just safespotting which are fundamentally just using the game’s movement processes to your advantage

[obsidian venture]

The noobs would obviously not want it

[vital portal]

Ehhh, I mean, I'd prefer better food options

[chrome lantern]

Is the alternative then to remove it entirely and balance around having a much lower xp/hr? I feel like we already mostly do this, they didn’t balance ironwoods around 1.5t teaks, for example

[ashen yarrow]

noobs dont want tick manipulation and pro gamers dont want to improve on their old bis tick manipulation xp rates

[covert cradle]

What % of players do you think are in favour of tick manip?

[vital portal]

If they unbugged Karambwans but made a wider variety of food options that cover different scenarios and increased HP options? Yeah I'd take that.

[dawn jackal]

find me someone who actively skills who really cares about better rates being introduced to the game

and then i'll take you seriously

[patent magnet]

50% of them dont even know it exists and get punished for it

[fervent igloo]

It would be removing it and balancing the otherwise low rates to match what they should be without that outlier bringing the other methods average down

[obsidian venture]

Well this is kinda pointless to say because it is an accepted method by Jagex. By all means in 2026 it is quite literally intended or they wouldn’t have released a blog about nerfing it

[vital portal]

Some bugs shouldn't be turned into features

[obsidian venture]

Maybe 5% if I’m being generous

[fervent igloo]

Its quite literally a bug

[obsidian venture]

But I have no numbers so who really knows

[obsidian venture]

And it’s quite literally accepted by Jagex

Hope this helps

[covert cradle]

omg i didnt even think about that lmao thats so true. Ya its gotta be such a small percentage, thats crazy

[chrome lantern]

Again, I have no issues with alternative active methods, but tick manip is a very fine system that I enjoy engaging with once in a while but never do for prolonged periods, just like I love sepulcher but don’t do it for prolonged periods. The issue is that people are just asking for rates to be balanced around activity levels that aren’t proportionate to that level of output, then saying, “why are tick manip methods holding us back?”

[fervent igloo]

So were these xprates on release

[dawn jackal]

about half of the end game pvm strategy uses "bugs" too

[obsidian venture]

It wasn’t as they released a blog

[sharp cave]

Im fairly certain they take measures against both of these things in modern content

[obsidian venture]

If it was then a blog wouldn’t have been released

[warm epoch]

they werent intended

[hasty shard]

imagine telling people animation cancels exist in other games too

[ashen yarrow]

bugs are only bugs if the game developers dont say that they are recognized method

[dawn jackal]

but if a bug is used to kill monster its great and if a bug is used to chop tree its the devil himself

[obsidian venture]

Yeah like try not to argue dumb things

Very hard I know

[covert cradle]

Dam so our XP rates are being held hostage by less than %5 of the community bug abusing?

[fervent igloo]

Literally stretching so far

[dawn jackal]

absoloutely impossible for the 1800 totals

who know exactly how this game should be balanced

[obsidian venture]

Being held by the company themselves

[fervent igloo]

For their wrist strain

[sharp cave]

I can't imagine a boss releasing today with the red xing garaddor has

[obsidian venture]

I can

[hard axle]

A very small portion of the community also favors pvp, but it doesn't mean nuke it.

Jagex will do what the playerbase wants up to a certain point, but they won't hard throw balance out the window just to make main game into Leagues

[warm epoch]

baba?

[chrome lantern]

Yeah modern Jagex refuses to allow players to engage with content in any other way than their narrowly intended user experience, and it’s a huge liability and problem.

[obsidian venture]

Irrelevant in 2026

[sharp cave]

Mmm

[fervent igloo]

Ladies and gentlemen, the 1%

[warm epoch]

talking about how it released

and i consider toa recent era

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[dawn jackal]

i've done literally thousands of hours of 3t skilling in my life and have 0 wrist problems. Yall act like you touch a knife log and the wrist turns to dust

its insane

[obsidian venture]

Well
Within 4 years?

[patent magnet]

cant wait for raids 4 when half the bosses can be red x cheesed

[dawn jackal]

sit with good posture and stretch

[hasty shard]

reminder everyone whining about elitism rn didnt read the blogpost

[obsidian venture]

I was replying to something else but thank you

[ashen yarrow]

baba in toa had it as "mechanic" and jagex removed it with chip damage and people complained that they need the red x back there

[patent magnet]

players are just too good at the mechanics of the game because it's been studied and perfected for 20 years

[covert cradle]

Are you maxed yet?

[fervent igloo]

The whole time?

[dawn jackal]

twice

[hard axle]

Anyone who unironically mentions wrist strain from tick manipulation needs to go to the gym or see a doctor cuz ur health should not be so fucking shit that playing a video game is what's causing issue

[obsidian venture]

The I can comment

[sharp cave]

Surely though you are not advocating for red xing to be a thing again?

[hasty shard]

i have dino wrists

[serene lodge]

100%

[obsidian venture]

Was for the dude saying “icant imagine them releasing a red x boss” comment

[dawn jackal]

pvm has way more clicking than 3t4g you never would never see someone saying doing TOB gives you rsi

[hasty shard]

leagues hurts me hand

[hard axle]

Seriously, FPS and MOBA games have more clicks per second than tick manipulation.

[sharp cave]

Yeah but that was an oversight right? If it wasnt they would have left it alone

[hard axle]

weak genetics on god

[dawn jackal]

People just are allergic to putting effort into skilling and make up any excuse possible

and its totally fine to afk skill

[hard axle]

it's the same shit that I mentioned earlier about bowfa and skilling on irons

[obsidian venture]

But either way you’re arguing stuff when you don’t understand it @fervent igloo not a good look

[ashen yarrow]

well if they are tick manipulations hours straight it will eventually affect wrist

[dawn jackal]

but just dont yap about skilling if your engagement with skilling consists of shooting stars

[covert cradle]

I'm staunchly against bug abuse, so i guess i have to join the side of team no tick manip

[hard axle]

eventually, like 10000 hours later

[dawn jackal]

I've done 30 hours of tick manip skilling in a row many times and have never had wrist problems

[merry finch]

If 3tick exists at granite and is better xp, why do we need it at rubium? Genuinely what is the loss to those who want to 3t for higher xp?

[obsidian venture]

Like it’s very simple to understand this wasn’t intended as per the blog 2 days later. They weren’t aware until the method was actually released. They only do these type of Friday blogs if they have messed up

[warm epoch]

rubium blew 3t4g out of the water

[hard axle]

cuz working in a restaurant legit has more risk of wrist strain than 3t manipulation

[obsidian venture]

Osrs players and weak genes fr

[merry finch]

And it shouldn't have done that so they removed it. We still have granite. 3t isn't gone.

[ashen yarrow]

it wasnt intended because players had too strong response when comparing it to granite

[chrome lantern]

It is still a thing so that doesn’t really make sense as a question. But to more specifically address it, what I mean is more that Jagex is extremely prone to kneejerk changing content specifically just to stop people from doing things they didn’t specifically want, like with stepback at muspah before they readded it. I have a few other examples in mind but that’s generally what I mean. “We didn’t intend you to do that, so now you just can’t” instead of just designing an arena, mechanics, etc. that stop it.

Even corp had mechanics to stop you from staying under

[dawn jackal]

its just so stupid the fix is to remove the ability to 3t the ore not just balance 3t'ing a bit better

easy button maxxxing

[fervent igloo]

Lol, wait let's run this back. I fully understand the circumstances, I just violently disagree with you.

[idle rapids]

https://giphy.com/gifs/therokuchannel-season-6-episode-the-great-american-baking-show-PrAlAxOLc460Tjbakw

[minor whale]

They said they were monitoring it 2 hours after the update went live so it was absolutely an oopsie
But taking away a shiny toy from the laziest people in the game (a toy they weren't even going to play with anyway because they're terrified of tick manip) means they have to complain until they're blue in the face

[idle rapids]

jagex love their bandaid fixes

[hasty shard]

note that this is their solution and people are still blaming good skillers because ???

[obsidian venture]

@fervent igloo

[ashen yarrow]

yes, slighty less xp/h while taking 1-2 less clicks per action

[patent magnet]

good news is this might detract them from how OP 10 man trawling is

[obsidian venture]

If you don’t understand that you can disagree with whatever but it wouldn’t have any substance

[patent magnet]

keep it up fellas i got marlin to catch

[dawn jackal]

god forbid someone actually want to play this game

[obsidian venture]

People are stupid

Like this was a move done by Jagex and not a push from good skillers

[fervent igloo]

At what point do you think tagging the rest of the small minority makes you any more correct?

[minor whale]

As soon as I made that post the other day I got flooded with people calling me a sweaty elitist hlc

[hasty shard]

this implies jagex cares enough about trawling in the first place

[minor whale]

I'm not even maxed I just noticed the method was crazy lmao

[obsidian venture]

Are you the small minority

[hasty shard]

wow zero changes except buffing sailing xp which is useless

zzzzz

[chrome lantern]

Ultimately, my thoughts:
-I agree that unpolled changes to the meta are bad
-I agree that rubidium mining gave/gives too much xp, reward, and less effort than 3t4g combined to be properly balanced
-I do think active engagement, possibly tick manipulation, should be rewarded, though not to the same extent as currently

[ashen yarrow]

To balance rubium they need to add slag to spawn when tick manipulation so it simulates 3t granite

[hard axle]

I lowkey don't think this is that broken.

It would be the same if 10 people fished by themselves for clog and all it does is funnels it into 1 guy willing to drive.

[warm epoch]

absolutely wouldnt be the same

[obsidian venture]

I’m all for better methods but just needs to be polled

[umbral oxide]

I was really excited to afk mine some rubium, spend 30hrs there for 60k to both make a bunch of the cool new cannonballs, and get some really good smithing xp from it. Went and unlocked Isles, smithed a bunch of bars, bunch of bars into cannonballs, and now there will be no point. Who cares to make the new shiny cannonballs when they're barely better than normal, require way more time and effort to make, and now give terrible xp, just doesn't seem worth the time invested

[rare carbon]

more sad about the cannonballs going from 200k/hr to "token" xp

[obsidian venture]

Clearly you need a mirror mate. You don’t even understand what’s intended and what isn’t

[dawn jackal]

People also love to argue against a strawman of a skiller who is raging about rates being increased on skills

[hard axle]

is ur only feedback "troll" this, "minority" that?

[hasty shard]

screenshot worthy comment

[obsidian venture]

He has nothing lmao

[idle rapids]

no one was gonna do it as a training method anyways and they still killed it

[minor whale]

You've got until Wednesday to make those cannonballs

Won't fix them being useless though

[dawn jackal]

i assure you from communicating with some of the most deplorable skillers around no one gives a rats ass about the rates that rubium had

[ashen yarrow]

rip all ironmen, cannoballs again becoming significantly reduced xp when using bars to make them

[rare carbon]

couldn't they atleast reduce the cannonballs to like a reasonable rate atleast

[obsidian venture]

Legit no one cared

This was a move done by Jagex

[hard axle]

yeah, they're kneejerking this a bit too hard

[obsidian venture]

As they were made aware of it

[fervent igloo]

Seriously?

[dawn jackal]

It was literally just "haha jagex fucked the meta again unintentonally guess i mightn eed to learn a new method"

[obsidian venture]

Ye

[sharp cave]

I just wish they would stop adding tick manip to new content and instead design the content to be engaging

[minor whale]

To be fair we have no idea what the rates will be

They said it'll be faster but also token XP per ball

Who knows without hard rates

[hasty shard]

elitist skillers got the xp rates i was never gonna get or train with nerfed 😡

[hard axle]

225k down to 25k (i assume 2 xp is the token rate is very heavy)

[dawn jackal]

jin i say this with all due respect can you read

[warm epoch]

only thing that matters is that it wasnt polled

[patent magnet]

It’s a blow to big money mains too. Not the fastest but the most expensive method atm with current prices around 60gp/xp

[merry finch]

People don't have to care for them to do something for the health of the game and prevent unintended problems in the future

[idle rapids]

real

[minor whale]

I'm so mad the sweaty elitist hlc got a method I was never going to do ever removed

[dawn jackal]

they literally just removed the ability to 3t it

[patent magnet]

which imo is fine for the amount of effort and xp you get

[ashen yarrow]

slowing the rate to make Incendiary cannonballs would make rubium higher price. Have to make mining generate more rubium and consume faster to reduce value

[obsidian venture]

Don’t leak

[chrome lantern]

I do think it’s ironic they’re nerfing the cannonballs so much when making cballs already is way worse xp than other bar processing

And you lose out on huge amounts of gp

[sharp cave]

Explain please

[dawn jackal]

"jinRole icon, Hardcore Ironman — 8:33 AM
I just wish they would stop adding tick manip to new content and instead design the content to be engaging"

[obsidian venture]

!

@sharp cave

[dawn jackal]

the blog post, if you could read, states they are removing the ability to 3t the ore

[warm epoch]

youre missing the 2nd half of jins message

its not engaging content regardless of 3t being removed

[sharp cave]

Ok im lamenting the fact they are still attempting to add it and then have to remove or nerf it

[warm epoch]

now should a method like this be super engaging?

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think you can design content to “add tick manipulation to it” specifically if that’s how the entire skill already works. You would have to be explicitly removing it

[rare carbon]

Yeah lowering mining xp to increase the yield, but then increasing the consumption of the yield to give 'token' xp just makes the whole process just entirely worse

[minor whale]

Yup

They need to very specifically make the ore not 3 tickable

[sharp cave]

Removing it post release IS NOT the same as not releasing it at all

[hasty shard]

engaging is subjective
id argue rubium/gem rocks are similar and more engaging than granite

[merry finch]

Pre-emptively disabling it is contextually the same as not adding it.

[minor whale]

They admitted it was an oopsie they forgot to touch on in the balance pass after the beta

Removing it post release is them going oh shit we forgot about that

[dawn jackal]

it is dissapointing that an oopsie like this could happen when it was obvious within my first 3 minutes of mining rubium the power level of it haha

[rare carbon]

Using Granite as the benchmark is wild to me too - like if people really want to do that, then sure, but it shouldn't be the check for future content

[chrome lantern]

On that note, it’s shocking it took this long to get something that was unchanged from beta

[fervent igloo]

Dude tick manip was never intended. And funnily enough, with your interest in polling esp with meta, it never was polled. Pretty wild that multiple meta methods come from an unpolled bug, and it was at the VERY least initially a bug. Most people dont use, and definitely dont like rates being nerfed over it. Its not difficult to put together,

[dawn jackal]

like it literally would have taken one guy 5 minutes and a knife log to see that you were getting double rolls

and the rates would be around 130k w/out ring charges

[minor whale]

Are you for real saying tick manip wasn't polled when it was present in the game in 2005

[random raptor]

lmfao

[minor whale]

Like

Wws brother

[chrome lantern]

I voted yes on tick manip in 2004

[obsidian venture]

No shit Sherlock it wasn’t intended way back. But it was accepted by Jagex, which now means: It’s a part of the intended gameplay.

[sacred oracle]

Cool it

[ashen yarrow]

again the fix is to make it spawn slag when tick manipulating so it is exactly same as granite

[sacred oracle]

No reason for personal attacks

[hasty shard]

pausecham

[chrome lantern]

Honestly I would be fine with just nerfing the xp and not having to deal with dropping stuff and just get the resource but still be able to tick manip it

[rare carbon]

bro just got PK'd

[umbral oxide]

Just sad that they come out with this new content I'm excited to interact with for some great smithing xp even though it will take 30+ hours to get 60k shards, and get a bunch of the new shiny cannnonballs, turning it into something I'll never touch again after the nerf

[minor whale]

"I want things added to the current game to be polled before changing metas significantly" is not the same as "Stuff added before the game added polling wasn't polled!!!" Lmao

[merry finch]

You'd still get more rubium than intended tho and they want it to be a rarer resource

[obsidian venture]

@sacred oracle thoughts?

[minor whale]

No shit brother
The construction skill wasn't polled either doesn't mean I want Jagex to add Shamanism without a poll 😭

[chrome lantern]

So instead they’re massively increasing yield above current tick manip rates?

[hasty shard]

ok the thing is their intentions with rubium suck because its useless

[random raptor]

Would be a drop in the ocean in the market, very few people as a percentage can and will tick mani0

[rare carbon]

More Rubium to give you a less valuable item, quicker, and give no XP

[ashen yarrow]

they are literally making afk spawn in over 2x the tick manipulation method's amount of rubium as fix

[hasty shard]

caps at rune and only works on birds

[hard axle]

Oh hey guys, let's repoll everything from 2001-2007 cuz it wasn't polled like tick manipulation 🙄

Part of me wants them to just remove tick manipulation for these type of players to realize that Jagex isn't going to magically buff rates 2x overnight, but they'll never admit it or even think about it.

[merry finch]

Yeah that part I don't understand. Why are we increasing yield when the issue is 3t has too much yield. I need jagex to explain that one

[minor whale]

Rubium rates are tripling yeah
They realize the items it gives are functionally useless so they want to make them easier to get

Their logic behind that one is lacking

[obsidian venture]

Clueless people in chat sadly

[minor whale]

Could they have instead just made the incendiaries work on sea creatures

[hasty shard]

3t gives too much resources so we’re tripling the rates

[hasty shard]

ok

[minor whale]

And keep the Rubium somewhat worth using

[sacred oracle]

really wish that it were easier to surface j-mod comments on reddit

[rare carbon]

Getting more Rubium, to support cannonballs going from 4t ->1t, but give "token" xp. Just seems like an round loss

[dawn jackal]

People definitely dislike tick manip methods because they think if tick manip is removed jagex will put in a harpoon spot that gives you 140k fishing xp

[sacred oracle]

they answer questions there, but no one can see it

https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1tken2l/comment/on84q2t/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[obsidian venture]

They legit buffed it for casual folks

[ashen yarrow]

3 ticking was too op since resource generated was worth something and didnt require dropping. Fix removing 3tick and also making resource worthless

[obsidian venture]

Why are folks complaining is beyond me

[dawn jackal]

yea but the 20 people who want to knife log it are the issue

[obsidian venture]

Most of you noobs wouldn’t even 3t

[minor whale]

No idea

[obsidian venture]

I wouldn’t even fucking 3t

[dawn jackal]

i would LOVE if everyone who is against 3t'ing could post their best attempt at 3t'ing for 10 minutes

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I hate how much official statements/word just exist solely arbitrarily in reddit/twitter and never see the light of day

[hasty shard]

google 2026 america literacy rates

[merry finch]

Is the New 2x and 3x rates, then, significantly less rubium/hr then the 3tick?

[minor whale]

The people crying have never touched a knife and a teak log together and they're complaining like Jagex just put down the dog in Varrock square

[obsidian venture]

Cooked

It’s depressing to see the amount of ie folks chatting

Very embarrassing that they have the same right to vote in game

[minor whale]

It's bad dude
Half these people you could ask them "How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning" and they'd reply with "But I did eat breakfast this morning"

[obsidian venture]

😂😂😂

[solid trout]

more like 2030 with the ammount of devtime ltms are taking up

[chrome lantern]

Reminder that voting reqs are lower than LMS reqs

[ashen yarrow]

nerf to lvl48, 2x buff to lvl 72 and 3x buff to lvl 96. All lvls reduced afk xp/h

[obsidian venture]

Need that changes to legit 1500+

[hasty shard]

id be miffed because im fasting and its my only meal of the day!

[random raptor]

2376, iron only

[obsidian venture]

Hate irons

[chrome lantern]

So yeah buffed lvl 72 still above current 1.5t rates

[obsidian venture]

But max sure

[rare carbon]

again my issue is the smithing cut. Like cool I get 7k splinters an hour - but no smithing xp for making my cannonballs

[sharp cave]

Wait are they actually tripling the splinters at high levels?

[dawn jackal]

not all irons are bad but the bad ones really stick out haha

[chrome lantern]

Yes lmao

[dawn jackal]

holy fuck jin actually didn't read the blog

clocked them

[obsidian venture]

Avg Jin discussion I’m ngl

[chrome lantern]

Ok getting haircut bye

[hasty shard]

hm balls is it for sailing clog actually

[obsidian venture]

Nothing new here

[sharp cave]

Brother i dont need to read the blog to say i dont want new tick manip methods to enter the game

[hasty shard]

if the splinters are 1:1 balls youre done in like sub 10 hours im guessing

[sharp cave]

Unless the blog specifically says they never will be?

[merry finch]

I can't add photos but it just makes the entire paragraph about economy and cannonballs pointless

[dawn jackal]

so you don't want any new trees or mining rocks or fishing spots entering the game

10-4

[minor whale]

The tick manip Boogeyman is crazy

[rare carbon]

Do people still play 'mains' I swear I only see Ironmen everywhere

[minor whale]

If they never added tick manip methods they still aren't gonna buff your current methods lol

[obsidian venture]

It wouldn’t affect you if it did because you clearly don’t interact with it

[obsidian venture]

I’m only a main

[rare carbon]

kinda waters down the economy point

[sharp cave]

Thats fine

[minor whale]

Also only a main

[hasty shard]

no because game is $21 and they do this

[dawn jackal]

mains just don't tend to have pants on head stupid opinions so you don't notice them

[minor whale]

Roughly 30% of people are irons

[obsidian venture]

Roughly 70% are mains

[minor whale]

What

[rare carbon]

wow thats crazy

[minor whale]

You just want tick manip removed from the people who do want to do it?

[obsidian venture]

You have no point then

[minor whale]

That's one of the most crazy things I've read

[obsidian venture]

Like you’re being obtuse on purpose like it’s your daytime job

[sharp cave]

I want the space to instead be taken up by actual content....

[random raptor]

in which case, you dont want them just because you cant do them? thats what ur implying

[obsidian venture]

If they remove a method that you don’t interact it, how tf would that affect you?

[dawn jackal]

what do you mean lmfao first off theres approximately 1 new skilling release every 2 years

[sharp cave]

They can leave the current non tick manip methods alone and replace tick manip with content

[obsidian venture]

Bruh

[dawn jackal]

second off you don't even know what tick manip is

[random raptor]

do you find powermining iron more interactive content than 3t4g

[minor whale]

Replace tick manip with content that's high effort (same effort as tick manip) and you still wouldn't touch it dude

[obsidian venture]

You legit have two pieces of bread squeezing your head

[sharp cave]

Ok

[minor whale]

Currently there's content that is high effort and not tick manip and a shitload of people don't even tickle it

[dawn jackal]

drift net!

the single most broken skilling content in the game!

[lost tulip]

luv me driftnets

[dawn jackal]

doesn't require any tick manipulation!

polled at 70k / 40k btw :D

[merry finch]

Rework vm lobbies so that the minigames is approachable @ jagex

[sharp cave]

Oh well I guess thats that

[dawn jackal]

at this point if you were doing meta skilling methods you'd use tick manipulation for mining and wc and then like 10m fishing xp

thats IT

[minor whale]

Yup
Crazy they just never made it what they polled it as

They do this a lot

[dim fiber]

I was excited to be banking 20k smithing XP/hr mining geodes, that doesn't seem that crazy to me

[random raptor]

maybe their QA was just horrid at drift net

[minor whale]

QA lmao

[dawn jackal]

a plugin actually kinda fucked drift net rates

[random raptor]

[minor whale]

This past month has me entirely convinced it doesn't exist

[dawn jackal]

the plugin made it approachable then people got into it and realized you can get 130k hunter there chiller

[minor whale]

The things they've missed recently is just astounding

[sacred oracle]

Tick manipulation isn't as scary as it sounds; I think people are more nervous about it than it deserves. I did tick manipulations at chins for pet, and you just settle into a cool, comfortable rhythm. It's not hard or annoying.

[dim fiber]

At 15 XP/splinter per rune cannonball, maybe it's a tad high, but I'd still like it to be a decent method

[sacred oracle]

It is, however, definitely not afk.

[dawn jackal]

3t barb is incredibly relaxing

[minor whale]

I did 2t swords all the way to whatever you need for mory elite

[dawn jackal]

you legit have time to do whatever when you 3t barb i was playing 5 rs3 alts

[dusky scroll]

Just make the splinters untradeable but the incendiary tradeable. Then leave the awesome 1.5t mining

[minor whale]

It's not like this carpal tunnel inducing thing that people are terrified of

It's as much clicking as most pvm where you're not just standing there hitting monster

But I be clicking all the time doing content

[sacred oracle]

I think the logic behind removing 3t for rubium is more about the collection of resources

[dawn jackal]

exactly lol imagine someone tried to argue potting tob was bad for your wrists

[dawn jackal]

they literally tripled the rates though

[sacred oracle]

Tick manipulation for mining has historically been balanced around sacrificing the resource for speed

[dawn jackal]

that you can collect the resource

[dusky scroll]

Mining sucks ass

Make it better

This is better

[minor whale]

My hands! My hands! I've got a condition only seen in coal miners in the 1930s!

[dim fiber]

I'd be happier if they just tried to rate limit the spinters/hr than kill the actual rates, mining is a terrible skill

[sacred oracle]

Right, but they say they believe far fewer people will do it if it's not bis mining

[random raptor]

Agreed. Poll to buff 3t4g

[sacred oracle]

So it's more splinters per individual player—while there being far less individual players doing it

[dawn jackal]

to be clear no one was going to 3t rubium anyway

i'd bet like 200 accounts max would do it for any meaningful amount of time

[sacred oracle]

Oh, people were absolutely going to do that. Everyone who's currently doing 3t4g, for a start

[dusky scroll]

I would if I got shit from it and it was best exp

[random raptor]

^ the people that would tick manip rubium would probably be less than 0.001% of the rubium on the market

it would in no way affect it

[dawn jackal]

people going for 200m all would have likely have settled in to doing a mix of granite and rubium

as granite was still about 5k xp / hr better

also also more people get 200m mining from VM than from granite to begin with

[hard axle]

dont forget VM, a lot of 200m folks got it from VM because it was about 1/10 the clicks

yessss

[dawn jackal]

smashing 200m all through granite is still seen as the most impressive 200m in skilling communities

[simple totem]

Did they just update the cg tornado visuals? didn't see a post about it, but it looks much better

[dusky scroll]

Seems silly to make mining useful FROM SAILING then rip it away. This makes people interact and get sailing levels to unlock the best mining exp. If they’re worried about the economy make splinters untradeable. Problem solved.

Mining is dogshit and sailing is currently useless to level. This helps that a little.

Stripping away the new mining meta would feel awful. People were actually getting excited.

Just my two cents. Hopefully a mod reads my opinion cause I’m not going on reddit.

[dawn jackal]

legit 0 skillers would have cared about the rubium rate being 130k (w/out ring charges)

but people have this boogeyman they argue against

[dusky scroll]

They’re all playing f2p or 2004 now

[sacred oracle]

I find it hard to believe most of the people who are complaining about this charge were going to be doing 3t manipulation to get the highest rates, and the change actually gives them more splinters while only moderately lowering the xph without tick manip

[dawn jackal]

the disdain from skillers would just be that it was another unintended meta change from jagex

which they've quickly fixed just in a silly way

[sacred oracle]

From ~63k/~75k xph to ~51k/~60k xph is significant change, but it's still quite good for low-effort mining

[dawn jackal]

its literally just the larger community who never would actually mine the rubium anyway being mad the about the words tick manipulation

[idle rapids]

its not about what the community wants its about what jagex wants. When brimgility allowed you to get up to 90k xp/hr by leaving the arena to do a second tag, no one complained yet they still spent multiple updates removing it

[patent magnet]

i dont have any problems with people sweating to get more benefits, i have a problem with those people causing negative changes to the 99% of people not sweating because they blow up reddit since it's half as many clicks per hour for similar xp rates on old methods

thats the bigger problem

[sacred oracle]

That's not a problem at all

[dawn jackal]

?????

[patent magnet]

it's not tick manip itself

yes it is lmfao

cancer of the community making it worse for everyone else

[dawn jackal]

again, find me someone who skills regularly who cares about this shit

[sacred oracle]

People who are good at the game are a cancer on it?

[dawn jackal]

its people who never would skill to begin with

[patent magnet]

when they complain on every platform possible and get the game changed for the worse yes they are

[sacred oracle]

It's weird that so many people appear to have a low opinion of people who put more effort into content, describing them as sweats as if people who care about the game and play it hard are somehow bad.

[merry finch]

People who do this wanting high xp/reward afk methods are the problem but

[sacred oracle]

It's not the "sweats" problem that a badly tuned method was added to the game

[dawn jackal]

these same people drool over the next port khazard video btw

they selectively praise people who want to play the game

[minor whale]

How dare we sweats bring it to Jagex's attention that they added something unpolled that changed the meta despite it being warned about a year ago in the beta

[dawn jackal]

knife log - bad
prayer flicking 3 hours of colo - 10/10 grammy award

[random raptor]

hand on heart ive never seen a good skiller complain about afk methods being too good lmfao

what are we saying

[dawn jackal]

good skillers love good afk methods lmfao

[covert cradle]

Wtf is a good skiller?

[dawn jackal]

not you

[covert cradle]

Oh nice

[dawn jackal]

I would consider a good skiller somone who can consistently get 1:1 doing meta content

[merry finch]

Weren't we in here an hour ago saying salvage is still unbalanced and xp is too high

[vital portal]

who prayer flicks 3 hours of colo?

[dawn jackal]

idfk i dunno pvm maybe i used the wrong example

[random raptor]

hemeonc f2p colo challenge

[vital portal]

I've got 99RC I live in a very weird part of runescape

[minor whale]

There's gotta be balance between the XP and afk methods, afk should be a LOT worse than the most intense methods, salvaging was crazy high for what the rest of sailing was and was also giga afk

[covert cradle]

We shouldn't be able to bring supplies into colo because it can be done without it

[minor whale]

If the whole skill becomes just do the afk method then that is an issue

[vital portal]

That's just Woodcutting

[idle rapids]

Yeah like the salvaging skill

[patent magnet]

except the higher effort method with no rewards (trials) was 2 or 3x the xp rates

[vital portal]

So much of this game is sitting and waiting for things to happen

[patent magnet]

and salvaging still had tick manip

[hasty shard]

are we ignoring salvaging being 1 hour afk

[vital portal]

And that's fine, it's what we're here for

[brazen tundra]

when was afk time 1hr ?

[vital portal]

It's more like 5 minutes but you can hold up for like an hour at a time

[idle rapids]

1 hr if ur fat ass cat walks across your keyboard right before you're about to get 30 minute logged

[chrome lantern]

Just the last month?

[vital portal]

Without needing to bank

[hasty shard]

100% real no fake fat cat

[minor whale]

On release salvaging was more afk and more XP than it is now and people were still crying that it got reduced

[dawn jackal]

At this point in my life i get to be ass in chair for like 10 hours a week maximum i aint just gonna click rock and chill when i get to play

[minor whale]

Like I'm glad Jagex doesn't constantly cater to the people who cry every time something broken gets removed

[idle rapids]

salvaging is more OP now becuase they made every spot a double tho

[chrome lantern]

Honestly the ratio is still way too high in favor of salvaging even with trials having no rewards, but I also fundamentally think they screwed up trials because it’s just a memory test and isn’t actually fun or engaging

[minor whale]

Last month was the most obvious tiny things that I really don't understand how they missed it

Their own fix was broken

To the gem sack

[patent magnet]

the rocks dont move, the logs and knife in your invent dont move. how is this any different

[minor whale]

They fixed the gem sack upgrade from mole being deleted when you turned in skins by adding a dialogue option
If you said no to it IT STILL DELETED THE UPGRADE

They hot fixed in a fix that wasn't a fix

And didn't even check if UIM stuff worked at all

[dawn jackal]

idk if salvaging is even an issue anymore trials are pretty low effort to maintain 1:1 as is

very easy to play 2+ alts and glide

[chrome lantern]

Yama contracts were impossible on release, idk how much more egregious can get, honestly I’m way less surprised by a hotfix not working

[covert cradle]

ur a sick sick man

[minor whale]

Didn't you see why that one didn't work

[obsidian venture]

Dunno

[dawn jackal]

not untrue

[minor whale]

Their in house GM didn't have a chance to try it

[dawn jackal]

I just like to skill and push myself to see how well i can skill

its how i enjoy this game

[patent magnet]

no you see he only plays 10 hours a week, so he has to play 15 alts and 3t4g at the same time

gotta get the efficiency in

[dawn jackal]

and regrettably skilling costs a shit ton of money so i gotta play alts

why am i being flamed for playing the game haha

[minor whale]

They have 1 guy who can do hard content and he wasn't available to do it so the contract shipped broken

[chrome lantern]

idk how I would know that considering how bad they are at communicating

[vital portal]

No it doesnt, skilling usually makes money

[obsidian venture]

[dawn jackal]

holy you clocked yourself

[vital portal]

I mean not a lot,

I clocked myself when I said I had a 99RC cape

[idle rapids]

yea most skils

[dawn jackal]

there isn't a single meta skilling method that makes money

[obsidian venture]

Folks are jealous

[covert cradle]

I will say tic manip being good for casuals is quite the angle

[obsidian venture]

It’s always the people that can barely use their hands complaining

[dawn jackal]

RC in fact is the single most expensive skill to train

if you care to do it efficiently

which i do

sorry that bothers you i suppose

[idle rapids]

hunter?

[dawn jackal]

drift net

[obsidian venture]

Idk how that would affect others

[dawn jackal]

costs money

[idle rapids]

ah true

[vital portal]

What are you doing, lava runes? I made profit with aethers and got decent enough xp

[sacred oracle]

essence runners

[dawn jackal]

2:4 aethers

[vital portal]

Oh right, that thing I never did.

[patent magnet]

paying runners because thats how you get records on wiseoldman

[chrome lantern]

Aether with runners even more expensive isn’t it

[dawn jackal]

or 0:4 lavas

[idle rapids]

1t bwans tho surely

[obsidian venture]

And does that affect you?

[covert cradle]

they should balance rc around essence runner rates

[vital portal]

I didn't use runners, I just went for 99

[dawn jackal]

yea and thats a great acheviement

99 rc is impressive regardless how you do it

[patent magnet]

no but this guy lives in a different world entirely than 99% of the game and shouldnt be a majority opinion for any updates

[chrome lantern]

Great comparison to tick manipulation and how neither limits any other methods

And how few people do either

[obsidian venture]

They are frankly minor opinion but understand the game balance more if anything

[dawn jackal]

oh shit i stand corrected

[obsidian venture]

This was simply a Jagex move recognizing their own mistake

[vital portal]

Getting dedicated runners and alts and all that sounded like stuff that didn't sound fun and was probably going to be very expensive and not the intended way to play

[dawn jackal]

good catch

[obsidian venture]

Blaming it on any community today is very dumb

[dawn jackal]

people literally were running ess in 2001 lol

[obsidian venture]

As it was fully Jagex’s mistake

[covert cradle]

oh i thought it was a great comparison because it does limit other methods

[chrome lantern]

RC wouldn’t be 200k+/hr with zero input cost if we’re didn’t have runners

[sacred oracle]

I don't think game balance should depend on a majority or a minority of players

It's never going to be especially popular to do what's right and nerf something

[obsidian venture]

Making me agree with Mox is a feat in itself

[chrome lantern]

Actually I have another comparison

[obsidian venture]

[vital portal]

I just think RC could better activities that aren't stringent on essence running.

[chrome lantern]

Crystal smithing and crafting

[sacred oracle]

And considering how many people playing this game have three wives, four jobs, and eleven children, I think the tendency will always be to water down the game and make it easier if left to a majority

[obsidian venture]

Which isn’t a good thing

[chrome lantern]

Does anyone complain about how crystal smithing or crafting constrains those skills? No

[merry finch]

Very bad thing

[obsidian venture]

Easier doesn’t always mean better

[patent magnet]

and let me guess youre maxed with 3 alts nearing clog completion?

[obsidian venture]

We need diversity in skill sets

[dawn jackal]

there's places to cater to the 11 kids 4 wives 7 jobs community but its not the top end of whats possible in the game

the entire continent of varlamore for example

[chrome lantern]

That part of the community is by far the most catered to and tick manip is not holding that back

[covert cradle]

thats not a fair comparison though, crystal smithing and crafting are those rates as intended

[obsidian venture]

So many drooling folks won with varlamore

[vital portal]

I mean we already got lots of higher than high end gameplay stuff

[obsidian venture]

(I love afk stuff)

[merry finch]

Reaching a point in your life that you can spend less time on video games should mean that you get less progress on video games.

[dawn jackal]

i honestly think people believe if they just removed 3t skilling from the game we'd have 150k fishing harpoon spot in the game within a month

[covert cradle]

where do i sign up for that

[minor whale]

Yup
Half the people playing think that XP higher = better game

[sharp cave]

Thats a bit cynical isnt it?

[dawn jackal]

and i do make much less progress than i used to. I just try and maximize the time i can actually play for! Why is this such a weird concept lmfao

[chrome lantern]

I did a lot of afk stuff on the way to 99 but knowing that it was a lot lower xp, but I wanted the resource on my iron anyway

Amethyst and anglers for example

[obsidian venture]

Anyone that’s half decent

[dawn jackal]

why is it bad that i like to try and do the meta skilling methods and play alts to fund them

[obsidian venture]

Does this

[merry finch]

I'm talking about afk Skilling methods not 3t

[obsidian venture]

It’s not bad

Folks are just jealous because they’re ass

Which sucks for them

It’s both

[dawn jackal]

see now i'm being called autistic

[obsidian venture]

But when your good, it’s moreso the former

Than the latter

[minor whale]

Game being balanced around the laziest common denominator does not lead to good game longevity

[obsidian venture]

When going for 200m then it’s the latter

[chrome lantern]

I think that the biggest liabilities for skilling balance are entitlement to high xp rates and people assuming that “I don’t like x activity” -> skill is bad, or even worse that they deserve to get higher xp rates if they don’t want to engage with a fully optional aspect of the game

[obsidian venture]

Otherwise 99% of the time it’s just skill issue

[dawn jackal]

does any other community outside of gaming have this

like does the guy who goes and does cardio and maybe some bodyweight stuff at the gym despise a bodybuilder

[obsidian venture]

Idk but osrs players game like they have one working finger and half a brain on avg

Very tragic

[covert cradle]

oh you think people just actually CANT tick manip?

[dawn jackal]

I think most people could not maintain 1:1 at granite

[idle rapids]

Most people dont go to the gym 12 hours a day tho

[chrome lantern]

Legitimately I think most people haven’t actually tried in a meaningful way

[chrome lantern]

I know I didn’t when I tried

[obsidian venture]

People get carpal tunnel when they move their mouse once

[chrome lantern]

I got like 95k

This was 4 years ago though I could probably do a lot better now

[dawn jackal]

i know most people couldnt sniff 1:1 at teaks

[covert cradle]

Never considered clicking the same 4 spots on repeat isnt enjoyable to some?

[obsidian venture]

Why does that matter

[dawn jackal]

i don't understand the point youre making

[obsidian venture]

It’s fine to not like it

[covert cradle]

im saying thats why people dont do it

[dawn jackal]

no one is forcing you to train skills in the most efficent way possible

[covert cradle]

not cuz they have "half a brain and one finger"

[obsidian venture]

That’s good if they don’t

[chrome lantern]

If only there were alternatives, or even entirely separate skills or activities to do

Nobody is even forcing you to train a skill, period

[dawn jackal]

i completely understand why people don't want to play the game the way i enjoy playing it

[idle rapids]

You're right, I'm a 0 tick sniffer 😎 sniffs u in 0.00 seconds

[obsidian venture]

Well this is in general

[chrome lantern]

You can ignore entirely as much content as you want

[obsidian venture]

Half a brain is very important

[dawn jackal]

no tick loss sniffing is important stuff

[chrome lantern]

But why complain about a specific method that you don’t need to do in the first place

[obsidian venture]

I use tick manip for very few skilling grinds

Used*

And once you get into a flow it actually becomes chill

It’s active but chill

[dawn jackal]

its very clear jagex since like fossil island has been purposely designing skilling without tick manipulation in mind. Fossil island teaks were an unintended method

[obsidian venture]

Where you can watch a show type shit

[minor whale]

No bro you don't understand they'd totally do a method that's as intense as 3t4g they just haven't yet because they don't want to use a horrible terrible no good exploit to achieve these cheated rates.

[dawn jackal]

and yet people still just dog on tick manip its wild

heaven forbid i enjoy something you don't

[patent magnet]

3t4g isnt even hard anymore since you can just menu entry swap

i was maxed in rs3 and did all the stupid grinds with little qol

[dawn jackal]

shift drop does the same thing

[patent magnet]

which is exactly why im afking osrs

[chrome lantern]

People go ballistic when I say I don’t like rooftops and be like, “Just watch a show lol” just for me to tell them that’s a bad argument when I already watch stuff while bossing and doing active skilling

[obsidian venture]

Yeah many bosses are afk as well

I watch a show 95% of the time I’m playing

[chrome lantern]

Even ones that aren’t afk it’s a high threshold to not be able to split any focus

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[dawn jackal]

i don't like rooftops but probably not for the same reasons others lol

[obsidian venture]

I did rooftops to 99 over sep

[dawn jackal]

skilling comps get ragged by ardy andys

[obsidian venture]

I genuinely didn’t mind maxing agility

[dawn jackal]

make a lv 3 get 1:1 at ardy

[obsidian venture]

I’m actually going to make an alt

[chrome lantern]

I did some rooftops, some sepulcher, some brimhaven, some wyrm

[obsidian venture]

And max it

I couldn’t do sep at the time either

Laptop couldn’t handle it

[sharp cave]

Reading all this seems that ultimately my grudge is misplaced, it isnt tick manip thats the issue more so the fact they didnt do any QA on the rubium

[obsidian venture]

Yes

Glad we figured that out

[dawn jackal]

Yea, if they stated they intended rubium to be 130k / hr when 3t'ing it and it was polled and passed no one would care lol

[obsidian venture]

Hence it’s important to read and use eyes

And then discuss when you understand

A lot of people didn’t do that today

[patent magnet]

so whos gonna be the new jmod that gets to vet all the tick manip skilling methods, might be what they need tbh

[obsidian venture]

Blaming tick manip when that isn’t the point at all today

[dawn jackal]

I kinda think they had intended for these cballs to have a use and then realized they were dogwater and then changed everything lol

but thats a bit tinfoily

[patent magnet]

werent we supposed to get boat combat with red reef update