game-update

[vernal valve]

like c'mon man 😭 you knew.......

[meager flame]

idk if its just straight up overtuned numbers wise i think theres some level of a more subtle issue in that there isn't really a reason to do the other sailing stuff

like

[vernal valve]

cotton/hemp seeds feel so strange as they are now tbh

[meager flame]

sure i could do trials right but why would i do that just for the love of the exp/hr?

and because port tasks had no rewards essentially its the same concept

they reduced the entire skill to exp vs effort

[ember token]

salvaging is the lowest effort, gives lots of xp, gives resources, has the most uniques behind it

[vernal valve]

This too, it's extremely bizarre how basically 99% of item space was either given to salvage or Sea Goblins

It's extra weird too, bc they talked about wanting Sailing to be a skill you'd want to touch after 99

[hasty shard]

sea goblins 🔥

[vernal valve]

But they made the only real rewards for 2 primary methods...

Experience.

[hasty shard]

im really hoping more people clue into how little depth there is with the sailing mobs

[meager flame]

thats kind of why i feel like salvage is actually the only complete part of sailing

and everything else looks like a rush job

[hasty shard]

why is everything a functional reskin of a chicken

[narrow folio]

Sailing combat is hilarious

[ember token]

i honestly think at this point the way to go is to make sailing go to level 120 or something lol

[narrow folio]

They are all reskins

[meager flame]

i mean the leveling part doesn't even matter too much

[vernal valve]

Like, if Sailing is something you're expected to do so much that you naturally hit well over level 99 in exp, it makes no sense whatsoever to have multiple primary methods that more or less exclusively reward exp

[meager flame]

you can give meaning to other sailing combat beyond the exp or leveling up

thats the part they really fumbled

like they could give you good combat with rewards that are compelling

they're trying to fix port tasks by giving it rewards

they just didn't really try to do that at all with the release of sailing

it makes it feel kind of artifical compared to the rest of the game where you make decisions for a lot of reasons other than effort or exp/hr

[nocturne solstice]

What would more compelling rewards be for combat?

I think uniques would be it and there are a few, problem is they're all associated with sailing as well (dragon cannonbarrel)

I dont think it would've made sense for like, armadyl plate to drop from sharks just to force sailing to feel relevant with existing meta

[vernal valve]

tbh I think the combat was kind of caught in a pretty bad catch-22 to begin with

they intentionally kept the monsters painfully, boringly simple bc they wanted to start small. But they really wanted to make them relevant instead of just having them as living terrain hazards, so they gave them drops, even though they're just Sea Goblins; since, after all, if they had nothing, people would complain that sea combat was pointless

forcing them to drop a bunch of Sailing specific items was the only real compromise, since it didn't risk accidentally destabilizing other existing items randomly

[nocturne solstice]

I really really really dont understand the boring complaint. It's the same as every other combat in OSRS. Did people expect manning the cannons to become like, a third person shooter?

Did they expect boss mechanics on random mobs you're supposed to grind?

[vernal valve]

Kind of, yeah? I mean, when's the last time we got random mobs we're supposed to grind that have 0 mechanics, exactly?

Yama contracts?

That was specifically an issue people had with them

[hard axle]

I was expecting aoe attacks from monsters that we could dodge with ship mobility

[vernal valve]

Grinding regular demons for contracts is Boring, Actually

[nocturne solstice]

every single region we got has those. Naguas is a good example.

[hard axle]

like super delayed kraken tentacle slam

[nocturne solstice]

Pray X and just afk

the custodian stalkers could probably count too

I have 0 doubt in the vampyrium we'll get standard mobs too. Just eat or pray x and autoretaliate to farm stuff

[spark lava]

Gimme a sailing slayer master so I can train slayer from my boat!

[vernal valve]

But those regions also had, you know. Other content, with real mechanics.

[meager flame]

its not

[nocturne solstice]

Sailing does have other content with real mechanics. Thats barracuda, port tasks, charting, etc

[vernal valve]

Even then, naguas and anything like it manages to be less annoying than sea combat, tbh

[meager flame]

there are some pretty huge differences like

cannons are extremely slow

movement is basically irrelevant

[vernal valve]

Surely we both understand we're talking about combat here, right

[meager flame]

looting is also very delayed and just

not really solid

also

prayers do nothing

potions do nothing

and the concept of like

inventory management and supplies doesn't exist

because you can carry hundreds of repair kits

[nocturne solstice]

Cannons are slow, fair complaint. Good thing they increased it.
Movement being irrelevant is irrelevant. When you're afking mobs you don't move either.
Loot delay is also fair but it's not like pickup was instant on land too. On boats atleast your two NPCs can keep shooting while you loot.

[meager flame]

its pretty much worse than regular rs combat in every way

[nocturne solstice]

or am i misremembering, did they buff the shooting speed and the dmg or just the dmg? I think both right?

[vernal valve]

yeah pretty much this

[hard axle]

I said this previously, but reskinning mainland content into boat is what sailing is likely going to end up as, same as the water agility comment

[vernal valve]

Nerfed shooting speed and buffed damage, actually

They're slower and hit harder now

[nocturne solstice]

So they're trying to give it a 5t weapon vibe

[meager flame]

yeah you're just kinda there watching things happen in slow motion and you're not really like

doing anything

[nocturne solstice]

I mean thats the same with land afk combat no?

[vernal valve]

The biggest issue really is that it feels like a straight downgrade to regular combat like Turkey said, imo

[vernal valve]

it's not, that's why they're polling like, sea auto retaliate and such

[nocturne solstice]

I DO want all the things people are complaining about for boss encounters.

• Needing movement
• Boss mechanics like it dropping traps or something
• More micromanagement on the ship

But I dont expect it from like... trash grind mobs ya know?

[meager flame]

yeah but with combat on land you generally aren't that slow and aren't even really present while its happening

[vernal valve]

there's just a ton of tiny friction with it

[meager flame]

like

[hard axle]

And you know why this ended up being the case right? Cuz they tried to patch out every inconvenience from mainland and that includes invy constraints.

If OSRS was recreated today, we wouldn't have limits on hard food

[meager flame]

this is why they're doing autoretaliate lol

[hard axle]

They threw balance out the window

[meager flame]

but sailing combat managed to hit that fine line of you do gotta be here paying attention but man this is boring

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah so its becoming even more like land combat with the autoretaliate

[hard axle]

Fire at will, yeah

[nocturne solstice]

Which people like? but its less "engaging" since you click less.

[meager flame]

nono they're adding actual auto retaliate for the player on the cannon

in the future

[nocturne solstice]

yeah

[meager flame]

the fire at will thing i think is actually kind of annoying

[nocturne solstice]

it was for the npc too

iirc

[meager flame]

because you have to pay extra weird attention to it because after x minutes your attack options change

and you have to turn it back on

which i think is pretty terrible as a solution

[vernal valve]

To be clear, I fully expected there to be Nothing mobs out and about that don't matter. But there's a big difference between that and everything being trash mobs, and even that experience being a notable downgrade from regular combat.

(I also think trash mobs you grind for any significant amount of time is a pretty miserable design, and Sailing has waaay too much of it)

[nocturne solstice]

I definitely get that but that just goes back to they aren't bosses. Boss mechanics go to bosses.

[meager flame]

idk why they listened to people about the npcs just quitting their job after a time period and you having to reenable fire at will

like it could've been anything like just click to attack something every 10 minutes and it keeps functioning but instead lol

[vernal valve]

That's fine, but in that case, I think most relevant drops should go to bosses.

[meager flame]

it actually turns off and both have to be turned back on

[vernal valve]

If the sailing mobs were more ignorable and most drops came from other sailing content then yeah who cares lol

[nocturne solstice]

like I dont expect a goblin to start doing backflips and I gotta start prayer switching like manticores, even if its a goblin in the GWD

[meager flame]

yeah but you also expect manticores to exist

[vernal valve]

insert the 'coolest shit ever' meme where guy says 'this sucks actually'

[nocturne solstice]

not in the ocean

[meager flame]

where for sailing you have essentially boring mobs that do nothing

and larger hp bars the bigger their level is

exclusively

[nocturne solstice]

Goddamn manticores learned how to sail

[meager flame]

i dont even really know why they did it that way

well i think i might know but i think they were just wrong

i think in their mind they were like

[vernal valve]

anyway I don't even disagree or care if all sailing mobs are just Goblins, the issue I have is that if everything is a mildly annoying to kill Goblin, you just shouldn't lock anything meaningful behind farming them

or at least, it should be pretty fast

[meager flame]

what was runescape like when it started how did it build up to where it is now

[nocturne solstice]

im not particularly sure either since I lowkey wish the mobs did have something to distinguish them a bit

[meager flame]

and try to model the start of sailing to act the same way

but the truth is

its 2026 we've been playing the game for more than 20 years

they should've made the skill like it was the current year

[nocturne solstice]

Like if sharks could "bite" onto your ship and do a bit of chip damage over X ticks. Can be removed if you shoot them with a player wep or something. Can be totally ignored of course if you just heal up but a tiny bit of interactivity.

[meager flame]

they could've still had their few low level birds etc but the people who play now

do not want black demons 2.0

[vernal valve]

btw shoutout to them nerfing safespotting sailing creatures like 3 times and then eventually giving up as people kept finding ways to do it

[meager flame]

so filling the entire ocean with just that was insane

[vernal valve]

😭

[vernal valve]

dw we'll get it right with Orbs V.3.0.2

[hasty shard]

trash grind mobs have actual differences though what are we saying

[meager flame]

some of them do we definitely have some interesting non boss npcs

like demonic gorillas or tds or whatever

but

[hasty shard]

even then trash grind mobs have fundamental differences in setup because of things like multicombat and spacing

[vernal valve]

ye even non-bosses have some variety mainland. Sure, 'most' npcs by volume are just Goblins, but 99% of those are functionally irrelevant anyway

[meager flame]

unfortunately for sailing we kinda didn't lean into anything they're just hp bars

[vernal valve]

sailing mobs being in multicombat slop zones with like 15 of them while having no benefit to actually interacting with multicombat is still insane to me

like what are we doing

[meager flame]

even that could've been cool

[hasty shard]

they literally added extra single spots for some mobs even which is just like

[hard axle]

dude, yes

[vernal valve]

yes, it could have been!

[hard axle]

this shit was fucking annoying

[meager flame]

imagine npcs attacked you but your cannons did big damage and you could kite and sail around to dodge stuff

[hasty shard]

complete acceptance of the problem

[meager flame]

would've been cool flying into a pack of like 15 kraken blasting and dodging stuff while you sailed around as they died to your cannons

[hard axle]

how are you supposed to beat 20 mobs on ur ass aside from isolating them one by one 😭

[meager flame]

but instead you just pull up and like

[hasty shard]

why the actual fuck do vampyre krakens do nothing different to a tern

[hard axle]

thats why i wanted a new boat tier called the galleon

[meager flame]

die not moving or they die instead if you have infinite healing on you

[hard axle]

5 cannons

just shooting everything

[hasty shard]

if you want to argue attacking with magic when boats cant pray so its functionally indifferent then sure

[meager flame]

it could've been active and made sense but they just didn't want that

the best part of sailing is moving the boat not getting a 7 tick cannon and going afk

idk why everything isn't about moving and dodging while cannons just sorta run in the background

[nocturne solstice]

probably because it would be annoying to have to farm 1k+ mobs that way for a drop 😅

[hasty shard]

immutable drop rates

id argue sailing drops are so rare because of the lack of nuance

[vernal valve]

ye if they were this straightforward and had good rates they definitely realized their uniques would be straight in the bin price wise

they wanted max boats to be 'flexes', and if they can't make the monsters that drop the max boat parts hard they have to make the grinds for them long

now they're walking back on that 'flex' design so they're buffing rates, lol

[meager flame]

i mean its a really predictable outcome

i dont think jagex has ever employed the "flex" argument in a situation where players are happy with them

lol its basically always people asking jagex why we're going through purgatory for stuff thats just not that big of a deal

and the actual flex stuff is basically 100% drop rate every time

[inner pelican]

i'm way more likely to feel vague pity for that kind of 'flex' than awe

[bronze kernel]

Give me a giga fantasy battleship. 8 cannons. 2 on each side for each level. 2 long distance ballistas up front that can cover the entire side and directly up front. 2 magic powered projectile launcher on each side that can fire underwater projectiles to hit enemies directly up front. With the mast being a powered staff.

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like max boats are flexes of bank value moreso than effort

[shrewd solstice]

bank value is a reflection of effort tbf

[austere mulch]

not always

at least not in a way that is accurately scalable

[nocturne solstice]

i would say its a seperate metric than effort. It's why the term "Bondscape" exists and why ironmen exist.

[hard axle]

Yah, this ties into balance again. I don't think people would be against a better way of getting X item if it was more skill and progression based, and higher reqs

Same reason why I wanted a boss that is harder but has Blood Shard on its table (HMT would've been fine) over the Blood Jelly conversion bullshit

[meager flame]

Idk boats just aren’t a flex like

They’re the same as a woodcutting pet

A big sign that you spent a lot of time doing nothing besides spending time

It’s kinda hard to be impressed lol assuming they even got the stuff themselves

I think jagex is just a little stuck in the past people used to care more about things like that

But these days we have impressive things to show off and it’s kinda boring to compare who wasted more hours because of it

[nocturne solstice]

i wouldnt compare a boat to a pet at all, closer to a POH imo.

[vernal valve]

Yeah, I think creating things designed to be gp flexes is pretty infeasible in the current game, tbh. A big issue is that we already have items that serve that purpose, and you don't really need more than a handful.

[meager flame]

Nah poh comparison only works assuming you used the ge for everything

[vernal valve]

I think POH comparison shows pretty clearly why boats are a pretty lame flex, hilariously enough

A big thing is like.

[nocturne solstice]

I dont think thats necessary since the assumption for both is that it was bought if you're a main.

[vernal valve]

"Endgame" boats don't actually look that impressive?

[nocturne solstice]

True, need bigger boats

[meager flame]

Yeah but if you compare for only mains it’s not impressive by any measure at all

The only thing you could’ve maybe thought was cool was effort level to obtain the stuff yourself and even that’s not even cool

Just an afk simulator for drops

[vernal valve]

At least a fully decorated POH looks neat, though

[nocturne solstice]

I feel the majority would find it impressive

Obviously if you have money though you wouldn't care.

Same with POHs as well

[meager flame]

I mean if the boat costed billions maybe

As is though it’s free

[nocturne solstice]

I think max are like, hundreds of millions right now

[vernal valve]

Someone not familiar with a game comparing like an Ironwood + Rune boat vs a Rosewood + Dragon boat might legitimately think they're basically just cosmetically different, lmao.

[nocturne solstice]

Billions is kinda... silly I feel? People flex with megarares and they dont even hit 2b

[meager flame]

I mean they try to but I’m not sure anyone cares lol

[vernal valve]

megarare + max is pretty easily over 2b, and honestly I think that's kind of the problem?

like a 50m boat is who cares when just like. Eye costs more than that.

[meager flame]

Yeah but where the game is now if you don’t have multiple megas you’re basically broke

[vernal valve]

I also think Megarares are really good at standing out

[meager flame]

So it’s hard to flex that

[vernal valve]

Like Scythe just LOOKS cool

[nocturne solstice]

i definitely dont think its 50m, its much much higher 🤔

[meager flame]

A max bank now is over 10b

So it’s like

[vernal valve]

Even if you're new to the game, looking at someone with a Scythe and Oathplate or whatever would stand out pretty hard

[meager flame]

Megas are neat but it’s not really a flex

[vernal valve]

Whereas I'm not sure endgame sloop vs slightly lower tier sloop would be like. Noteworthy?

[meager flame]

I mean sure it’s not my boots cost more

Like lol

[vernal valve]

also ig you're right, although most of that is from dragon sloop costing like 39m (?!) 😭

[meager flame]

I do think gp may be a little out of control

[nocturne solstice]

hmm i think its somewhere around 70-100m for a sloop just a guesstimate

the keel and hull alone are 52m

they are the big ones though

[vernal valve]

It also depends on the boat ig? We can assumed combat+trawling sloop since that should be the most expensive one

[nocturne solstice]

two dragon cannons are 10m total

[vernal valve]

greater focus is 13m as well

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah so probably a bigger flex when we get bigger boat

[vernal valve]

idk if we're getting a bigger boat...

[nocturne solstice]

rn its just wow dude has a couple tens of mill to throw away

[vernal valve]

Also all these prices are crashing when they giga buff the rates anyway

But ye idk doesn't change the overall point

[nocturne solstice]

yeah was definitely more of a flex on release 😅

[vernal valve]

A fully max boat, even now, is like. Not much different than a guy walking around with a bowfa or something

[nocturne solstice]

but i guess thats how most flexes are

[vernal valve]

Ye ofc

[nocturne solstice]

Big on release, less so after time when more people get it

[old shadow]

Where did you get 39m from lmao

[vernal valve]

sorry i meant keel

[old shadow]

Just the other day i spent 70m alone on a sloop that was partially upgraded already

Ah

[hard axle]

problem is that they would never let endgame pvm lock out of actual good poh functions

[vernal valve]

I'm honestly surprised they haven't done more with POHs tbh

It feels like there's this sentiment from the dev team that POHs are already 'too strong' as is

but like, if further upgrades are drops from endgame PVM... who cares?

[hard axle]

the only thing that would be too strong is bank chest and ge, everything else is fair game

[vernal valve]

it'd be like worrying that players are 'too strong' as is and not wanting to release any other gear upgrades

[nocturne solstice]

iirc they want you to interact with the world and for the player experience not to be just teleporting between POH, pvm, poh, pvm

[vernal valve]

ye I agree, there's a lot of room for more POH stuff as long as it's appropriately sourced

[nocturne solstice]

if everything is in the POH it makes it hard for new rewards to be made.

[vernal valve]

that's fair but we're still worlds away from that

[nocturne solstice]

Anywhere we go it's step by step

[hard axle]

quetzal whistle, port are two things they could easily add

[nocturne solstice]

that would also be two things moved away from banks. Not a big deal but step by step inch by inch ya know?

[vernal valve]

You could say this about literally everything man idk I just don't agree

[hard axle]

it just depends on what it comes from

[nocturne solstice]

I think its nice when things have a function and they remain unique because of that function. The POH just becoming the "everything" center feels less interesting to me.

[hard axle]

tbow from hill giants no matter what rarity? bad

tbow from cox? yes

[nocturne solstice]

But ye we dont gotta agree, a lot of it is just vibes

Like, there's so many teleports to banks so I dont find it inconvenient at all to grab my whistle or other teleport stuff from there to tele.

But a lot of people do want POH to be the one stop shop for all teleports

[vernal valve]

I'm not even talking about just shoving more teleports in POHs, I don't really care about that tbh, I just mean there's tons of room for other rewards that can be slotted into POHs in general

like there's a world of ideas that could be explored beyond just teleport station, surely

[nocturne solstice]

There are but I just prefer these rewards to be stuff designed for the POH and not just "Lets take this and just move it in the POH"

I feel like 90% of POH suggestions have just been move X to POH like the whistle, the hot air balloons, bank chest, etc.

Even like.. add some farming allotment spots would be better imo

[vernal valve]

I don't disagree. My entire point is that PVM drops -> unique POH functionality is an interesting reward design space that feels more or less entirely unexplored, due to fears of POHs already being 'too good'.

I think it's a potentially interesting space for a few rewards in a game that's struggling with novel rewards already

[nocturne solstice]

I think that would be good 🤔

The trouble is that people seem to like PVM rewards being a weapon that hits big numbers or whatever but sailing has already introduced the idea of PVM drops = furniture with the narwhal horn and dragon cannonbarrel so PVM = POH furniture would make sense with that logic.

[vernal valve]

Yeah PVM rewarding non-PVM items has had some mixed history, but there's definitely a sweet spot that could be hit

[nocturne solstice]

Now we just need some ideas for what the drops would make 🤔

[obsidian venture]

[vernal valve]

Obv. contenders if Jagex wants to avoid creeping outside content into POHs is upgrades to stuff people already do in a POH anyway

Some sort of Butler upgrade (idk imagine if Yama dropped a contract for a Far Superior Butler or something), or an upgraded Lectern that produces tabs much faster? Or access to some novel/better tablets?

Fuck it, prepot device water fountain attachment for your ornate pool

[winged mantle]

do we have any info yet about what is or isn't going to be in the summer sweep up for 2026?

We're not dead-set on any specific tweaks for this year, but your feedback over the years has provided a healthy handful of possible targets, so expect to see skilling improvements, combat feel/QoL tweaks, perhaps some light gear rebalancing, and a smattering of smaller changes that are bound to be the belle of the bullet point ball.

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/winter-summit-2026---overview?oldschool=1#SWEEP

mid 2026 meaning June/ July?

[vernal valve]

they've briefly mentioned some things they were interested in looking at but we don't really know much no

[winged mantle]

could you link me?

[vernal valve]

we don't have like a specific blog, i mostly mean like, random comments from jmods or similar

like we've got this from the sailing blog

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/sailing-update-buffs-changes--more?oldschool=1

[winged mantle]

hmm

aight ty

[vernal valve]

genuinely the best source is prob perusing goblin's most recent reddit comments 😭

but you're really not gonna get much from that

here u go, here's Something

[ember token]

believe he also said somewhere that aerial fishing will get changes

[vernal valve]

wtf ur right

LMAO

[vernal valve]

this is also crazy

[meager flame]

tbh i think its interesting that they're trying to downplay its importance lol

you'd think since it will probably be the first real update of the year that it would hopefully have a little more juice behind it

[vernal valve]

wdym, we're getting Red Reef in like 2 days 🙂

[meager flame]

yeah so the first real update of the year lmao

[winged mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/finally-some-good-content-gordon-ramsay-gordon-ramsay-memes-gif-25876450

[loud ivy]

today marks half a year exactly since the last content update that wasnt a 2 second f2p boss

[weary stag]

What do ya even change with aerial fishing? Asking as someone who has grinded enough pearls to get all the rods with 0 golden tenches

Processing multiple fish into offcuts at the same time?

Maybe losing 1 tile of range for fish spawns?

King worm packs sold in a shop?

[old shadow]

Hmm

Probably make fish sack not a 40 hour grind

[weary stag]

I think it's cool that if you see someone with a fish sack u know they're a certified mad, if it was a critical item then sure

[vivid ruin]

Aerial fishing has all of the worst qualities of normal fishing + extra clicking so it just sucks all around

[weary stag]

It's really good combo xp tho right?

Which I hate the argument for tbh

[vivid ruin]

Might as well driftnet lol

[weary stag]

I guess a 2nd option for attaining anglers would be cool

[ashen yarrow]

people hate it because it is not the absolute best xp and they want free collection log items instead of slow progress

[weary stag]

Agreed

[ashen yarrow]

Basically if it isnt efficient enough to be part of efficient progression list then it should be removed or made better

[weary stag]

And totally afk too right? XD

I got it

Dual wield the birds

Haven't gotta wait for it to come back

Actually rs3 has a similar hunting method, whirligigs, and you can stack up catches which feels pretty.. Idk if I'd say good, but more engaging I guess

[tender harness]

hope they nerf sailors amulet in sweep up

[vivid ruin]

Thats what i was thinking. If the catches at least stacked, and/or the bird reacted a little more quickly i think itd be fine.

[weary stag]

The plug in to indicate when the bird is ready to go again is pretty huge, so would definitely be welcomed to make that more native

Imagine if they made the cape work like the necklace

Give the necklace that amazing wonderful totally valid and wonderful teleport to boat spell (with greater focus) xD

[vivid ruin]

The game is broken if i cant use the cape to tp my boat on top of general garagedoor

[weary stag]

Hahahaha now that's a cape perk

Need a plug in to change a yama meatball to a ship now hahah

[hard axle]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-jjba-jojo-roadroller-mad-gif-7886930

But boat teleport

[bronze kernel]

This is what I thought Teleother Spells did, but with monsters

Teleport a Jad to Lumbridge

[vivid ruin]

Pls next deadman mode

[bronze kernel]

Make breaches global events

Just have the bosses spawn everywhere

No one will survive

Especially Duke. Add in Duke without pillars and make his gaze wipe out everyone unless they focus him down

[hard axle]

ngl, the fact we didn't get a custom animation

of the boat just dropping from the sky

was such a missed opportunity

especially with a npc screaming the name of ur boat

[old shadow]

I never want them to make another dmm again

Not after they made the ugliest fucking rewards this year

[vivid ruin]

I know i seen the rewards and i was like ermmmmmm who cooked this sht

[bronze kernel]

I think what's more offensive are the Leagues rewards this year

Iban staff? What kind of early game Ironman BS is this?

[vivid ruin]

Yeah im probably spending my points on past rewards tbh lol

[winged mantle]

They're trying to get grandpa iban out of retirement

[old shadow]

Wym some of the league rewards are insanely cool

Fuck yeah

[hard axle]

They’re running out of shit they can kit ngl

Too many temp game modes

All of which “need” rewards

[bronze kernel]

Repeats could work. Transmute Alch animation would go hard

[hard axle]

I feel like they’re slacking with poh stuff too

[old shadow]

Demonic throne is great

[tender harness]

hear me out
I want a kit for my kit that I get from TOB
so we make a kitted scythe glow

[old shadow]

Butler is great

[hard axle]

Or rather, instead of individual points based rewards, if the community gets 10M points, 50M, 100M, 1B

[sacred oracle]

I'm hoping you can sit yama pet on demon throne

[hard axle]

We get new unlocks in main game

[sacred oracle]

If not, I won't get it

Cool look tho

[old shadow]

Why wouldnt you get it regardless

It looks better than base demonic throne

And it’d be like

2m max

[sacred oracle]

I don't have a throne room

[old shadow]

Poh not swaggy enough?

[sacred oracle]

Poh used to have to be 4x4, so I don't have extra rooms

[hard axle]

Cuz the Leagues rewards are worthless due to how common they are, and you can inject them as clue updates

[sacred oracle]

Never went back and added a bunch of stuff once load times were standerdized

[old shadow]

I love poh

[minor whale]

They could absolutely have kits on things people actually use at endgame if they really want to have more ideas

But kitted Ahrim, another kitted slayer helm, kitted SRA which nobody uses

They're cooked on kits

[loud ivy]

woudnt fit as a league reward but the fact we dont have a tbow/shadow kit yet but have a scythe kit is crazy to me

[minor whale]

The Gridmaster recolor for POH altars was so funny too

Because legitimately
What main has an altar

[vernal valve]

Stacking kits until you’ve got a gigantic glowing scythe with random bits hanging off and particle effects would be absolutely hilarious tbh

[minor whale]

The only time I've seen an altar in poh was when using 330 when I was a noob

[vernal valve]

Grid master was fun but yeah basically all the rewards for it are solidly in the “who would ever use these” camp

Best use for them was as 1.5m Ironman alchs with clams 😭

[vivid ruin]

When is masori, justiciar and inquis going to get their kits

[narrow folio]

Tbow and shadow too

[tacit pendant]

I mean thralls getting kits is nice if you dont hide em

Sra kit is gonna be meta for 1st quiver death fee bullshit lol

[tacit wharf]

hey look, i can now always keep my void equiped when i die at doom

[tacit pendant]

I hate the blue void so much

Its not even bad. Reg elite void just is iconic

[tacit wharf]

true but doesnt stay equpped

[obsidian venture]

Thralls will perma stay invisible for me

Sra kit is nice but useless as I finished vard

I like the updated void ngl

[tender harness]

I still like people who coped for a giga yama fight with leagues

[tacit wharf]

nvm league shop disabled

[nocturne hull]

sadly yes

[obsidian venture]

Kinda pathetic nothing happened

[tacit pendant]

I was surprised by no echo yama.

[nocturne hull]

I was surprised by literally no yama at all really

As a non zeah picker, my only "seeing" yama was during the tutorial

[minor whale]

It's obvious they rushed this league to be where BMR should have been

Half the shit for pacts just not working and then they go "we're not gonna fix this"

Yama not being a fight at all and being a flavor text on 3 relics that are meaningless if you didn't pick Zeah

[nocturne hull]

This truly confused me for being in there

[tacit pendant]

I didnt do this league. Will keep skipping if its gonna be trailblazer forever

But yeah zeah pickers already wanted to tribrid for chambers and all that fun, make yama worse too while they at it lol

[vivid ruin]

Was there any new echo monsters this leagues? I think just amoxi?

[nocturne hull]

just amox is correct

but tbf, that fight was brilliant

I wish it was how actual amox was lol

way more interactive and fun

[vivid ruin]

I just tried it the other day. Its funny how instincly you feel like you need to run, but running only makes you take a ton of damage. You also dont really get time to eat or turn prayer back on (on mobile at least) because its attacks are so fast lol

[minor whale]

Took away Echo Sol to give Echo Moxi

Which was a bit silly tbh

[vivid ruin]

Wait there isnt an echo sol? I didnt even realize

[minor whale]

None of my other echos were at all difficult fights and at least Echo Sol was enjoyable if not using 100% accurate tbow like last league lmao

[nocturne hull]

Oh yeah lol, thats interesting.

[minor whale]

Echo GGs boring as ever, Echo Hespori a snooze fest for a shit reward, and Echo Thermy is Echo Thermy

[nocturne hull]

Made it to dragon like a week ago, and didn't even notice there was no Echo sol

[minor whale]

Endgame is just afking Zuk and Colo

[vivid ruin]

This was the leagues that they should've had echo Zuk and a kit for inquis tbh

[nocturne hull]

I didn't even finish all the Zuk and Colo tasks for dragon

[round lintel]

The "Yama took Misthslin and set it on fire" was a lie

When you pick Asgarnia o Desert you can see Lumby or Draynor and everything looks normal

I could even kill cows and goblins through the fence xd

[south void]

My list of "would like to have a kit for these".

Armadyl crossbow
Zaryte crossbow
Ancient Godsword
Lightbearer
Confliction Gauntlets
Eye of Ayak
All of the DT2 Rings
All of the demon bane weapons
All of the spirit shields from Corp
Noxious Halberd
Saturated Heart
Kodai Wand
Accursed Sceptre
All of the GWD armors (Bandos chest/tassy/armadyl etc.)
All of the Masori Pieces (Head, Body, Legs)
All of the combat boots (Pegs, Eternals, Prims)
Avernic Treads (base)
Avernic Treads (maxed)
Tumeken's Shadow
Twisted Bow

(And yes, I know kits on rings seems silly but for ring swappers where you can see it in the inventory is still ok to me).

[vivid ruin]

You cant even see lightbearer

[south void]

Found the ring complainer.

[vivid ruin]

I didnt read the end lol

[south void]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-austin-powers-spotlight-search-light-busted-gif-19285562

[obsidian venture]

I remember that post

And then you mentioned death fees

Then I was like nah nvm

😂

[quartz anchor]

cosmetics are for a wearable expression of choice, I won't care if its added in the game, but seems like an interesting choice to want

[tacit wharf]

take this as you will, but rs3 cosmetic's are over there

[south void]

My reasoning for it was beside the point. The response was to them saying Jagex was "cooked on kits". They have plenty of things without kits currently.

You all can disagree on why I want them personally, which is fine I could care less.

But it's clear people have been expressing the want for kits that are better than Iban's staff (or other early/mid tier kits).

[tacit wharf]

thats fine, there is already a game where u can be kitted out to yr hearts content

[south void]

I love that they included the SRA kit for this leagues, as I'll be using it for my vardorvis grind here soon.

[quartz anchor]

people also want more xp per hour too. don't mean its a good idea

[tacit wharf]

this just the wrong jagex game

[round lintel]

tbh thats just a bunch of kits you are asking, pretty much the entire game full of kits

Masori looks decent, rings are not visible so why a kit? Ayak looks ok, boots are meh but treads look ugly

[quartz anchor]

let's not forget he listed the godswords as not having ORN kits, but they do

[round lintel]

yeah maybe add an ancient gs orn kit to masters

[quartz anchor]

wait i misread that

[south void]

Reading comprehension issue.

[quartz anchor]

already caught it

[round lintel]

zcb design isnt bad and acb is just iconic

i give you the shadow and tbow

[quartz anchor]

I think they stray from kits on bis items are just iconic

not to mention, kits now reduce your gravecost, so they want bis to make you pay when you die

[round lintel]

specially cuz they initially offered it with dmm points and then back tracked

[quartz anchor]

backtrack or no voted?

[round lintel]

they mentioned it in the blog but next blog before the poll they said they wouldnt poll it as they feel these should come in a different way

[narrow folio]

Theres plenty of kits for bis items though

Not necessarily want them from leagues but you know, a kit from somewhere

[south void]

coughs Yes I know this seems silly however, with the SRA kit now I can bring my avernic treads. Cue the OMG 2k death fee????

[round lintel]

personally dmm Armageddon got me hyped initially for tbow kit but then they said nah we would bring this in another way, is almost 2 years now and hasnt come

[quartz anchor]

exactly why I want them to patch graveyward

punishing players for gear based on orn kits is kinda wild

[warm storm]

isn't it rewarding players for having kits?

not punishing

[hard axle]

None to those. Those should be hard content from main game

[south void]

Rewarding players for obtaining ornament kits by reducing death fees. Seems an even tradeoff for power loss (until bis have kits which I already agrees bis kits should be hard content.)

[quartz anchor]

based on (having/ not having) kits

[round lintel]

I think he meant punishes you for not having it

[quartz anchor]

you buy them

8k ge

[warm storm]

it doesn't though, it's just normal. i see how that can change depending on ur perspective though

[quartz anchor]

or whatever it is

then you sell them back

[hard axle]

I think kits are fine to save costs, but the untradeable ones should also save more than buyable ones

[south void]

Mains buy kits that aren't bis yea?
You still have to do hard content for bis kits like the scythe, fang, etc.

[quartz anchor]

temporary investment to ensure no gp loss

[quartz anchor]

ok, thats 1 megarare option

name another

[warm storm]

idc if it saves me death fees i'm not putting on the ugly red bp kit 😤

[hard axle]

untradeable kits not saving gp is ass

[round lintel]

I mean at doom it doesnt really work as much

you get your void kitted or not

i notice i didnt save anything xd

[quartz anchor]

the fact we're arguing what kits do and don't affect graveyard, and we're determing what gear to choose based on fees and mitigating them with kits that 99% are buyable on ge, and can be traded back for a 0 loss, its indicitive of a problem

[warm storm]

i don't think choosing gear based on death fees is a good idea in general, but i might be the minority in that

[round lintel]

i care about kits because of what they look like

[obsidian venture]

Not bringing bis to avoid death fees is very silly

[round lintel]

i have death fee coffer money anyways

[quartz anchor]

if you save 90k/ death, and lose like 0.5dps, its just a net gp gain when learning content

[round lintel]

when sunfire was giving double i bought like 150m worth

[warm storm]

90k is peanuts when ur a bossing gamer

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[quartz anchor]

90% of the game isn't

[obsidian venture]

It’s just ie af

[quartz anchor]

game isn't balanced around 1%'ers

[obsidian venture]

We know

[round lintel]

and on my iron almost every dupe from 1-9m goes to death coffer

[quartz anchor]

so to reiterate, its just punishing noobies

[obsidian venture]

You profit even if you’re absolutely dogshit

[warm storm]

i mean if u are doing bosses you could be called a bossing gamer

[round lintel]

whips, aranea boots

[obsidian venture]

Like there’s some very casual folks bossing and dying a lot

And still profiting

0 issue

[round lintel]

and if i dont feel like alching 10m worth of rune items i dump it on death coffer

[quartz anchor]

stop changing the meaning of your own phrase to be inclusive.. you and I both know what you meant by that given the context.. demonstrative arguing, holy

[round lintel]

I just wish i could dump the onyx bolts in death coffer

[obsidian venture]

You’re overthinking it

[warm storm]

alchables are one of the worst things to put in coffer (if you are an iron anyways). raw gp is so valuable

[quartz anchor]

fatigue of those tyhpes of people are too real

[round lintel]

i already have unlocked half of the available banking space, decent rune stacks and still have 170m gp

just rune items like hastas. rune med helms

i cba alching those

[quartz anchor]

fill your inventory with all them noted.. go to thieving den bank.. sell 1 of each stack, hop, repeeat

[warm storm]

play how you like ofc :)
i don't alch anything post-99 magic. i just sell to rogue's den for high alch prices

[round lintel]

as annoying as alching, everything else I alch while sepulchre or just ardy

[quartz anchor]

so confused why the bolts would be any different then

[south void]

Nah, my kill times are close enough that I don't care about bis. I'd rather die and lose 2k gp over saving 10 seconds.

[warm storm]

i meant it as "a gamer who does bosses" but it seems you are already frustrated so i'll leave you to it

[obsidian venture]

Plenty of casuals are called bossing gamers

It’s not meant to signify anything but clicking boss

Usually used to motivate them

[quartz anchor]

yet again, changing the phrase to be inclusive

tiresome

[round lintel]

you cant dump em into death coffer sadly

[quartz anchor]

but you said you alch the rune items, so why are bolts different?

[round lintel]

so i stack 1-2k and then shop sell em by 5

[warm storm]

ya this is my pref method as well

[obsidian venture]

Fascinating 😂

[round lintel]

to be honest im sooooo dissapointed with the dmm bowfa and crystal recolour

the red color is sooo dim cant even be noticeable

[south void]

I'm casual, I play at most 2 hours in a day, maybe twice a week currently as I have clients I'm cutting yards and bush hogging fields for with the tractor.
During winter months I have more free time so it goes up to 4-5 hours in a day for 3-4 days a week.
I personally don't care if (all) the kits reduce death fees but I do (like) that some do because it does help me personally get less frustrated when I get 10-20kc and dying costs me less than the basic loot I got in that sample size of kc.

My own opinion aside, they can make the bis kits not reduce death fees, I like shiny recolors too 😁

[round lintel]

I understand why they implement money sink but to be fair, they have gone waaay out of hand with them

[quartz anchor]

this is why graveyard fees should be fixed, and we shouldn't rely on kits to reduce fee

[round lintel]

like death fee being 500k (if you afk while doing slayer) but then pnm is 60k

or the amazing 2% fee at ge

[tacit wharf]

i mean solution is, take less crap

[quartz anchor]

the original purpose of graveyard fee was for a gold sink, with ge tax I would assume this is peanutes in comparison.. not sure its even needed

[round lintel]

or at least use death fee to remove other things from the game just like ge tax

is like when they impletemented the duel arena tax

they were like "3 Trillion removed" but really did nothing

[quartz anchor]

I mean again, its peanuts in comparison

ge tax removes items and gold.. so if they were getting enough gold from graveyard they would just use more GE tax to remove items

[round lintel]

ge tax mostly remove "expensive items" maybe death fee removes the excess of cheap items like rune arrows, chaos runes, etc

these things are what normal mobs are dropping constantly you sometimes dont even bother picking up

[south void]

I'd be ok with a higher ge tax for more kits, Jagex will balance it out anyway they need to.

[ashen yarrow]

the true gold sink is death storages like nex and hydra. People losing billions to them every year

[south void]

Oof. PTSD bro.

[tacit wharf]

i mean, they do warn you

not their fault people CHOOSE not to read

[south void]

Double death rip. 🫣

[south void]

Dying twice will cause all items to be deleted.
Vs.
"Not bringing God alignment gear back into GWD will cause aggro on you from the mobs and you will die twice before reaching this chest"
Yea...

[quartz anchor]

or just a flat cost for graveyard, more kits, more tax.. no kit reducing fees

ngl. I think double death chests should be reworked at this point

[warm storm]

i think this is true, and i also think that all wipe-able deathbanks should be removed

[quartz anchor]

I've never lost anything in a double chest, but it terrifies me

[south void]

Or, maybe they can just move the double death chests to oh idk.....safe areas 🙄

[quartz anchor]

that's perposterous

[south void]

I know, absolute tomfoolery

[tacit wharf]

then again, i think gravestones have served their purpose and should be benched but

[warm storm]

there is a lot of funny tech with gravestones now

it's the deathbanks that are legacy

[obsidian venture]

I’m personally not a fan of kits reducing death fees in the first place

[south void]

I will say, losing millions/billions one time to double death chest you aren't likely to do it again unless you get really stoned or amnesia.

[tacit wharf]

i mean again, skill issue at that point

if done 2x

[warm storm]

i think it's safe to say that at least 20% of the osrs population is not sober at any given time

[quartz anchor]

ngl if my shadow got deleted, I'm probably just play wow full time

[south void]

Design flaw that wasn't fixed to mimic the normal expectancy.

[warm storm]

we need to rubberize the sharp corners

[ashen yarrow]

yes but 1 time to not knowing how death storages work or even where it is and trying to get back in panic is too much

[quartz anchor]

to be fair, I don't care about people who use and abuse

[tacit wharf]

sorry but fk that

[south void]

Put all the handrails up at the bowling lane, make it optional removal.

[ashen yarrow]

like you die to nex without knowing there is death bank. You will not even know where it is since there is no arrow or anything even if you somehow bring the god items

[quartz anchor]

the guy you talk to when you unlock nex tells you

you just didn't read

it actually forces you to talk to him, gives a warning you have to disable

[south void]

Spacebar

It's called spacebar syndrome after questing your account up to the point of Nex, you aren't reading anything.

[warm storm]

to me the question is: what is the possibility of double dying adding to the game? is there any benefit? compare it to the potential negatives

[tacit wharf]

i mean, i would be in favor of, a big flashing "idiot dont die again" text on yr screen

[quartz anchor]

benefit, I can laugh at them, negatives: people who are high/ drunk lose items

[warm storm]

so the argument is literally just cruelty and schadenfreude

[south void]

Well honestly, in our clan all it's done is make people stop playing osrs.
But it does remove gp from the economy 🫩

[warm storm]

that isn't good enough for me

[quartz anchor]

there is red text in your chat box informing you itmes are in a chest and will despawn if you die

[tacit wharf]

not big enough

has to be on screen and flashing

[quartz anchor]

you could.. you know.. pay attention?

[tacit wharf]

otherwise the dumbass who are "stoned/drunk" get confused and ignore

[south void]

You guys okay with your chat box open?

[warm storm]

like i've said already, i agree if it happens to you it's your fault. that doesn't make it good design

[tacit wharf]

like i said, just remove gravestones

[quartz anchor]

i don't care if someone is self abusing, drinking/ smoking alone and loses an item

[tacit wharf]

gz u now got 3 mins to get back

tell me which you'd prefer

[quartz anchor]

I think everyone agrees double death to be removed

you know we're just meme'ing on you right?

[tacit wharf]

memeing is for non-serious people

i am serious atm

[quartz anchor]

lmaoo

[tacit wharf]

so cant be memeing

just because you dislike my take

doesnt make it a meme

[warm storm]

there is a rule on the internet about never being able to take things as jokes because someone actually legitimately holds that position

[quartz anchor]

we all agree'd for double death to be removed

then we made jokes

and you missed it

[south void]

I just assume everyone on here is an anti-fun Jagex corporate antagonist and it makes conversations easier to digest

(That's memeing)

Anyways, looking forward to updates soon Jagex, so I can play more this winter. Woo hoo 🎉

[quartz anchor]

any summer sweepup predictions?

[tacit wharf]

we know what 3 things that'll be on it

[quartz anchor]

I think I heard whispers of CG, SRA, but nothing other than that

[tacit wharf]

aerial fishing, belle's folly, hopper

the cg copium of them lowering rates is always strong

[quartz anchor]

I think its cuz Kieren said on someone's podcast or twitch (can't remember), that people legitimately quit the game and don't go back in the CG death sentence and "that's a problem".. so its quite hinting at some QOL there

[tacit wharf]

it was the last livestream

[warm storm]

finally, the bowfa nerf

/j

[quartz anchor]

dont' like CG? fine, we hear you.. we removed it

[south void]

With Ayak/gauntlets and eclipse/atlatl I bypassed gauntlet on my iron. Didn't see any reason to subject myself to that hell hole.

[tacit wharf]

first real grind and people will complain

and ya, dont even need bowfa anymore, plenty of other options

[ashen yarrow]

they will buff both bowfa and saeldor blade so people feel more inclined to pushing cg since bowfa has been possible to replace with other items

[quartz anchor]

NGL CG is fun, did all CA's (except speed time) on the hc and it really isn't bad. great alchs, not upset I did it

[dawn jackal]

arial fishing just has no reason to exist

[quartz anchor]

I think peopel see the bowfa as "neccessarY"

[quartz anchor]

facts

[dawn jackal]

if they buff the rates it'll be broken

[quartz anchor]

I never once considered doing that content

[tacit wharf]

aerial fishing is just too many clicks

[dawn jackal]

so they need to move something niche there like fish offcuts or something stupid

idk just scrap it

i think it's totally fine to remove it

[ashen yarrow]

yeah sadly its pushed as must have god item in ironman community. People are getting told to stop everything else to get bowfa

[tacit wharf]

i know, greened it on way to 99 fishing

[quartz anchor]

I've heard enough, add bloodshards there

[tacit wharf]

the only downtime is if u choose to let it auto cut yr fish

[quartz anchor]

I mean BOWFA is a massive upgrade, but if you'd rather not do it/ spend weeks in prison / aren't a great gamer, just forget it and move on

[dawn jackal]

i think one of the biggest new player barriers is parsing what is worth your time or not. i'd be in favor of a lot of content being removed from the game actually

[quartz anchor]

let's start with Trouble brewing

get it out of here

[ashen yarrow]

yeah remove all raids, they are not worth the time investment to green log

[tacit wharf]

naw

id start with nightmare zone and fishiing trawler

[dawn jackal]

some of these clogger only spots just have no reason to exist anymore and that's fine

[tacit wharf]

just remember them saying that so many bugs pop up with nnz

[dawn jackal]

nmz actually still has meta uses

[quartz anchor]

I have never heard of anyone, in my entire 22 years of playing this game, have anyone ever talk about playing trouble brewing (outside of the diary)

[narrow folio]

Venator bow and super ranging 🔥

[ashen yarrow]

it used to be best fletching method when they reworked it

[austere mulch]

With the recent buffs, it’s gained some popularity

And of course with the addition of col log

[quartz anchor]

yeah, that was just broken, but that's still for xp not to play the game

[narrow folio]

Also just cause something isnt meta for anything doesnt warrant removal

[quartz anchor]

nobody plays the game, fill water into hopper then afk

[narrow folio]

I actually made a rum myself

I parked my alt to start the game

Then I made the rum on my iron

How many of u have actually solo made a rum

[dawn jackal]

i agree with this statement . however i'd argue from the new players perspective there's just too many options for some things

[narrow folio]

Like what

[dawn jackal]

arial fishing

[quartz anchor]

NGL I do agree with removal of NMZ, its out of place and its just afk training

[tacit wharf]

ntm the buggy code

[dawn jackal]

so long as they gimme another 20 minute afk

[ashen yarrow]

nmz still fastest imbuing if you do it later on

[quartz anchor]

yeah that's fair

[tacit wharf]

no thats arena

[narrow folio]

Bugs aside i dont know why removing nmz would make the game better

[south void]

But my afk herb boxes and imbues and XP 😅

[narrow folio]

Youll do crab and you'll like it

[quartz anchor]

If you tryhard with weapon/ shield swaps you can actually get imbue faster than arena

arena is just better now tho

[dawn jackal]

if you're a new player and want to try stuff out there's just so much garbage in the game idk

[quartz anchor]

I can swap imbues at bank

NGL

remove emir's arena

[vivid ruin]

Make dual arena great again remove nmz

[narrow folio]

Lmaoo

[ashen yarrow]

nmz is actually faster imbue than arena after combat achievements and good gear. No one just uses it anymore

[south void]

50 million nmz points from 99-ing on an alt build was useful for runes at least when I went to frost dragons after

[narrow folio]

People enjoy/utilize it, its not gamebreaking, its a cool option

[dawn jackal]

nmz still has a fair amount of uses. if you removed it you'd need to house the imbue scroll somewhere else at a minimum

[narrow folio]

Need more than "its out of place" vibes

[quartz anchor]

yeah, that's fair

[ashen yarrow]

if they add herb boxes to ironman nmz like mains then people would instantly call it broken

[tacit wharf]

can just move redirect scrolls to mh

and have all imbues use the arena scroll

[narrow folio]

Herb boxes wouldnt even be that broken on irons

[warm storm]

idk, the game is very very different than it was back then

[south void]

The face when you realize you can't claim herb boxes as an iron after training to 99s on an alt 🫠

[narrow folio]

Early herblore maybe a little? Still its not that big of a deal

Amass so many herbs once hit midgame

[tacit wharf]

cant u just do tithe for herb boxes now

[narrow folio]

They let irons run around on other peoples boats

[tacit wharf]

which makes better sense for the source of them

[narrow folio]

Tithe sucks

[ashen yarrow]

105 herbs per day, with like 35% of them being used for pvm potions

[narrow folio]

Though id like nmz to have more quest bosses added just for replayability kind of like how galvek works

[dawn jackal]

i think the devs just kinda have to throw their hands up regarding this but the reliance on the wiki makes having stuff like arial fishing in the game silly in my opinion

it's not bad xp / hr but there's just better options, the rewards suck, the content suck

[south void]

What is ariel fishing?
-goes to wiki and sees it's not best XP/hr or fun to do
Nvm.

[restive siren]

Bruh whaz

[dawn jackal]

and i understand not every content in the game needs a meta use

[narrow folio]

Seeing the sailing updates, the phrase waiters always win is true. Yes they lost half of extractor xp but the rest of this stuff makes up for it several times over.

[tacit wharf]

aerial fishing - the place u go for arthritis in yr hand

[narrow folio]

Sadly im already 99 and theres still no reason to engage with it for me personally besides the trawling fish

[quartz anchor]

more so (most click intensive piece of content to exist, for mid range xp, no rewards, no afk whatsoever) I"m good thanks

[round lintel]

I got Carphial tunnel from thieving

[quartz anchor]

new port thieving is life

[narrow folio]

Im all about rogues chests

So much xp per click lol

Sadly no pet chance for NO REASON

[quartz anchor]

fuck the wildy, that's the reason

[dawn jackal]

stealing artifacts as well for theiver without repetitive clicking

[round lintel]

I mean i did ardy knights in pretty much one sitting from 70-91 back in 2018

[quartz anchor]

the days before coin pouch were so nice

foot pedal and tv show and 2m xp per day

[ashen yarrow]

probably because they were added before pets got auto insured

[true talon]

Do people even train at nmz anymore since crab came to the game

[tacit wharf]

i dont think so

[round lintel]

after that i spent 4 years using a vertical mouse

[tacit wharf]

between big crab, little crabs, nagua's

[round lintel]

otherwise i couldnt play for more than 20 mins

[tacit wharf]

u shouldnt be able to afk for 20 mins, so thats fine

[dawn jackal]

it's better xp/ hr and longer afk so yes some do

[true talon]

I guess

Havnt been to nmz since they allowed PvP arena imbues

[dawn jackal]

i would love to see a rework of like 3/4ths the guilds in this game

[south void]

I do on alts I make after speed running quest cape. Crab only gives 10 minutes, nmz is the full 25 on PC or 35 minutes on mobile.

[dawn jackal]

ranging guild, cooking guild, wizards guild come to mind right away

i think new players, rightfully, view these places as goals to work for and they are just wastes of time

[narrow folio]

First of all put all those guilds as teles on their capes

[round lintel]

i only used nmz before i got the hard diary on my iron

[narrow folio]

I used nmz after crab came out and it was fine

[round lintel]

so i could imbue once i had just reach hard CA

[narrow folio]

Its here to stay

[round lintel]

pay half and then with a new boss CA and lost hard i doubled my points

but that was a loooong time ago

[narrow folio]

Expand the features would be nice but i dont think jagex cares about touching it rn

[true talon]

They said next time nmz is visited is to delete it lol

[south void]

If you aren't a quester, then crab is your option. But by the time you care to afk some skills up for harder content you are usually tail end of quest cape.

[narrow folio]

Did they actually say this or ur joking?

[true talon]

They said it

[narrow folio]

Its pretty iconic content

I hope they were joking

[true talon]

I forget which mod it was, it was years ago.

[narrow folio]

Mightbe been an offhand joke

[south void]

Altoholics like myself enjoy NMZ. Crab sucks. Requires too much attention while playing main.

[true talon]

Might of been Kieran

Or that 1 mod uhhh the retired one who was viral for the little bit of technique clicks

[round lintel]

I know it sounds similar but is "Might have been"

[narrow folio]

I think theres more on their mind these days because deleting it would add nothing to the game lol

[tacit wharf]

matt k?

[true talon]

Ya him

[tacit wharf]

and the other is fishing trawler

[true talon]

Don’t grammar police me

[round lintel]

Sorry

[true talon]

I sentence you to a wave of dry on your next grind

[tacit wharf]

can move manta/turtles to stationary fishign spots out at sea and move angler to any fishing activity

[round lintel]

oh buddy you dont wanna hear what im currently dry on

[south void]

Impossible, my next grind is sailing and there is water everywhere

[tacit wharf]

dry on cannon barrel grind

[narrow folio]

Try drinking that seawater

[dawn jackal]

my view would be to simplify a new players experience by limiting choices a little . imagine being a new player who wants to try the hunter skill for example

[round lintel]

1700 cerbs no prims
200+ high lvl superiors no heart
went 4x for archers ring
500+ vards since getting back not a single gold ring
3 ingots in 400 levi 0 rings
Dry at ToA and 6 lb b6b
dry for soup and mining pet on my main
went dry pretty much everywhere in leages on both accts

[dawn jackal]

there's nothing in the game that would direct you towards a reasonable experience leveling hunter

[round lintel]

went dry at doom almost 2k delves 1-13 for one drop

and i can continue

xd

[narrow folio]

Early hunter sucks on rs3 too

[round lintel]

at least we got herbiboar

slower than chins o salamanders

but low effort

[austere mulch]

I also been turbo dry since coming back to the game 😭

Need to make a new account for some fresh rng

[dawn jackal]

it's not even that it sucks it's that you end up with like 17 different things to try very rapidly

and they all suck to do lol

[true talon]

Deserved

[round lintel]

you are so evil 🙁

[true talon]

Make an Ironman those fuckers are spooned

[round lintel]

not my ironman

[nocturne hull]

also not my ironman

[austere mulch]

I went over 2.4k demonics on my iron for my first shard and 109 cox solos for my first purple (arcane)

This was like 2019

That said, I did complete superiors by 70 slayer 💀 heart from a crawling hand while boosting points and gem from a bloodveld

[true talon]

it do be like that, heart is a nice spoon grind, its boring and sucks. my friend spent 7 months doing turael skipping for his heart.

He basically made a tbow worth of gp from the monsters

[tacit wharf]

see it only took him that long cuz he was only doing 2 slayer monsters

[true talon]

not true, he could have gotten the heart from hands, banshees or crawlers XD

[white dragon]

wtf

couldve been so many clues

[restive siren]

i did my clue for the first half of my heart grind but

at some point it just becomes too annoying

[white dragon]

i feel that

[modern temple]

Looks useless ngl

With how small it is there's probably nothing else beside the sailor totem

Not everything has to be miserable

They should buff it

[winged raptor]

are we getting trawling changes and red reef tomorrow? because im charging my keyboard EXTRA carefully for tomorrow

[tender harness]

??? you are trolling

[tacit wharf]

red reef should be tomorrow, wont know others till update

[austere mulch]

Raid 4 reward blog when tho

July is almost here, and they’re supposed to be doing proposals for one reward at a time and iterating on them from there

But time is a ticking

[true talon]

Surely they got a ton of stuff to show. its been half the year with us having to just do temp game modes

[obsidian venture]

quest tmrw

maingame update

we are SOOO back

@restive storm sailing quest tmrw twin

[restive storm]

man we're down so atrocious my friend who has never played the game asked "what happened to that game is it still going?"

told him not really at this point XD

[obsidian venture]

[hasty shard]

sobbing

[true talon]

If its not blood moon rises then i dont care

[meager flame]

i've been thinking about this and honestly

it might be strategic for them to just say nothing until after blood moon rises and whatever controversy that causes grips the world

since afaik they basically don't much if any content people are looking forward to between bmr and raids 4

so they could then piece by piece talk about raids 4 rewards just to keep engagement rolling like anything is happening lol

because honestly they started that conversation quite awhile ago and they probably should've already released one of the blogs about it

so it seems like they're maybe holding it for something

[tender harness]

Brother we still have June
😭

[zenith pike]

Not on my watch

[loud ivy]

seemed pretty obvious from the initial raids 4 reward blog where they went over a potential crush mega rare and elemental robe set (lol @ this even being thrown out as an idea for a raids reward) that they have absolutely no idea on the rewards

n that was what 2 months ago or so

really cant see them putting out a raids 4 reward blog for another 2 months at least even if only blogging a couple rewards at a time

sadly

[obsidian venture]

tbf I'd rather not have a blog until a rebalance actually happens

[loud ivy]

if they really intend to release raids 4 this year then surely they gotta get a a move on with blogs, because delve took what? 3? 4? iterations. They also said they'd be blogging rewards few at a time too

[obsidian venture]

that's fine ye

but rather a rebalance first then focus on rewards

so then the players know what we can actually add to the space

there's been plently of discussion prior anyway so they should have some sort of idea

[ember token]

3-4 iterations in like, 2 months max, whereas they still have 7 months to release blogs if its comin this year

[loud ivy]

sure but youd imagine a raids blog would divide more opinions and potentially neeed more refinement, on top of the fact they intend to blog 2-3 rewards at a time

[tacit wharf]

how can u make a blog post when u dont yet have a clear vision of the content yr making it for

i mean sure, u can have a rough idea or multiple ideas on the table, but there's 1/2 a year yet to go before the content its for is finished, if its finished on time

to then also, maybe, have things that can change with the summer sweep up changes that will/are purposed

[ember token]

if it was like, 3 months then id be saying yeah they should get things moving

but there's still a lot of time even without considering possibly delays making it even farther out

[meager flame]

i mean just based on how they were talking about the sweep up i dont even really expect a lot from it

we probably already have a good idea of what the game is going to be like

[austere mulch]

i meant to say june whoops lmao

[austere mulch]

i just want a blog showing the direction theyre going, or at least honing in on a direction

since last time they basically said "yeah we dont really know what to do"

[tender harness]

to be blunt. I doubt we get raids 4 before 2027
we have a laundry list of shit thats either broke, bugged, or just needs to be retuned/rebalanced

but on that breath we'll get more temp game modes before raids 4

[austere mulch]

oh i agree 100%

[tender harness]

😭

[austere mulch]

plugin api on indefinite hiatus, alongside native HD (which was announced in 2019? 2020?)

BMR delayed from initial launch date aimed for Jan/Feb to likely late summer

zero updates on raid was announced in jan and expected to launch this year

looking bleak

😭

also delay on rebalance blog

[tacit wharf]

bmr was always going to be soonest march, never jan/feb of this year

since we knew dmm was later jan/feb

[obsidian venture]

if it's as vague as last time sure

just more thoughts is fine

[austere mulch]

didnt they say early 2026? i guess march counts for that. cant tell you the last time i looked at the summer summit blog

[obsidian venture]

I'd like no actual concrete stuff till post-rebalance

[tacit wharf]

it was but also after dmm

[tender harness]

it was "early 2026"

early is Jan/feb

[tacit wharf]

its not

as i said, we knew dmm was jan/feb 2026

[tender harness]

it is 😭 mfer spring isnt early

[austere mulch]

ye i just want "this is an update on the direction we're considering"

[tacit wharf]

march isnt spring

its late winter

[austere mulch]

and hopefully part of that direction is getting rid of the elemental robes idea as a raid reward

[tender harness]

???? tf do you think the equinox is

[tacit wharf]

what u think easter is

[tender harness]

not march

if its a quarter of the way into the year thats not early

lmao

[tacit wharf]

considering winter doesnt start till dec for jagex

[tender harness]

you're right winter starts on the 21st of december

along with most of the world

😭

[tacit wharf]

sorry its kinda hard to take anything you say seriously with the 😭 emotes

[tender harness]

its hard to take you seriously when you dont even grasp basic seasons

stating early 2026
doesnt imply fucking april or may

thats not early

[tacit wharf]

spring starts in april, anything before that is early 2026

[tender harness]

what?

try that again

Spring starts March

[obsidian venture]

sob emotes are the best

[tacit wharf]

agree to disagree with ya

[obsidian venture]

I stay sobbin on folks

sends the message well across

[tacit wharf]

on par with 💀 users

[austere mulch]

spring for sure starts in march

mid-late march

[tender harness]

March 20th

in the northern hemisphere

[tacit wharf]

so april

[tender harness]

Jagex last time I checked a globe

[tacit wharf]

gotcha

[obsidian venture]

skull is also valid

[tender harness]

brother read a calendar

💀

[obsidian venture]

see

clear message

you sob when folks are just so ie

you skull when folks are geniunely cooked

It's truly the tech

[meager flame]

tbh theres a good chance the rebalance wont make a big enough impact to really matter as far as the raid reward discussion

[obsidian venture]

It could

[meager flame]

they were talking about it on reddit like not too much is gonna happen

[obsidian venture]

they have mentioned shadow

[meager flame]

downplaying it basically

[obsidian venture]

unless it's off their minds somehow

like they'd genuinely be very ie to not fix mage

[meager flame]

i think the shadow thing is funny because its really turning more into a question of like

[obsidian venture]

might as well pack up the company

[meager flame]

how do you buff it honestly but give it a real niche

would be weird if they just nerfed and then it was like

2 handed ayak

[austere mulch]

i honestly think theyre gonna go the scy/fang route for shadow rebalance

[tender harness]

fix magic to start

[austere mulch]

as in, do it in its own patch

[tacit wharf]

werent they already given a good fix for shadow

tie it to the # of pieces of magic gear worn

[meager flame]

i mean theres a million things that can work but

[tacit wharf]

for its mage %

[meager flame]

thats not a real niche and doesn't get at its problem

the whole system is honestly fundamentally broken and since they didn't give the shadow like hard direction

you just get to use it on anything really

ayak is the same way

they solved for how to give it enough accuracy to be useful

and now ayak just slaps everything you'd use magic on

melee/range are a lot easier because they have multiple styles or jagex built something specific like how the tbow scales

[tacit wharf]

magic has multiple styles, jagex just refuses to use them

[meager flame]

it didn't when they made the shadow

[tacit wharf]

honestly the most style diverse combat style

[meager flame]

also they have additional issues outside of the shadow

everything else is wrong too lol

the gear the base spells and so on

they even had a magic rebalance and managed to like

not do nearly enough honestly

[tacit wharf]

because they refuse to think that anything other than powered staves should be useful

[hasty shard]

it buffed early game mage which definitely 100% needed a buff i assure you

[meager flame]

i dont even know what you do unless you come out with some insane blog that has like

every magic weapon towards the back end of the skill included with redesigns and actual niches

[tacit wharf]

i mean, there really isnt many magic weapons, seems like there is but there isnt

[meager flame]

i mean you have 4 versions of the nightmare staff the kodai shadow ayak sang

[austere mulch]

tbh issue with non-charged staffs is its really annoying using high level spells at content where its beneficial to brew

which is most end game content

[meager flame]

and those could all actually do something worth talking about but jagex just doesn't really allow for that

[austere mulch]

unless you add a bunch of doom type releases where you just play good and take 0 dmg

[meager flame]

and if you did actually get at all of that stuff to make it make sense

you'd go further

because stuff like your regular trident would be absolute dogshit in comparison and the progression wouldn't make any sense

[warm storm]

not to mention losing (double) deathcharge and thralls, which are crazy strong

[meager flame]

its really the entire history of osrs and bad design decisions for magic that are adding up here

they'd have to do a lot

because it wasn't until very recent history that they even allowed magic weapons to be relatively good

[austere mulch]

personally im content with magic being primarily utility based combat\

[meager flame]

almost all of them are handicapped by game design that assumed you brought it with you just because of one particular phase

and melee/range were going to do the bulk of your damage

[tacit wharf]

just see it as design space limiting

[meager flame]

problem with this is thats already over

ayak and shadow happened

now magic has like

real primary weapons basically

and they crush the rest of the design space

[bronze kernel]

Easiest solution is to allow the base level to determine what you can cast and not current level

Magic is the weirdest of all the combat skills

[hasty shard]

something something pvp

[tacit wharf]

break magic defense into elemental/ancient/powered/special (dragon/demonic/ect)

[bronze kernel]

Magic level plays a bigger role in magic defense. But that's not the case with ranged or melee. Which is not intuitive at all

[austere mulch]

thats not w/o issue bc then u can effectively spam brew with no meaningful loss in dps while at <40 stats

unlike melee/range where you really handicap yourself hitting brewed

[hasty shard]

should mage be like melee/range

[tacit wharf]

it should

[bronze kernel]

Magic gear will also be forever fucked because of Shadow existing

[meager flame]

i dont even really think thats true exactly

like

shadow is currently the weakest output wise

[bronze kernel]

Occult was a bit overturned for how accessible, I will admit. But Magic can't get anything meaningful until Shadow takes a hit

[meager flame]

sure jagex couldn't just like

triple magic % on everything tomorrow

but them acting like they cant make any upgrades is pretty dishonest from them

[austere mulch]

only in theoretical max output

[meager flame]

yeah but they decide the stats on monsters

they always talk about it like

[austere mulch]

which idont rly get the obsession jagex has with that

[meager flame]

if we buffed shadow we just couldn't do anything omg it would be so out of control

[austere mulch]

since it never happens

[meager flame]

and its like

well

you could just make it a tbow boss instead

or a scythe boss or whatever

lmao

[austere mulch]

like dds is the best spec weapon then by that metric