game-update

[frozen lion]

i think 4k hat should be elite

[sacred oracle]

I don't know what you mean then

[tender harness]

only if they give hunting exp to chompy hunting

otherwise no

[gaunt minnow]

I'm saying completing the clog is not a realistic goal whereas plenty of people get max cape

[sacred oracle]

Unless you mean no one's finishing every single item in collection log, which ... I mean, if clogging anything is pointless because no one can finish every clog in the game, I don't know what to say

There are literally thousands of active cloggers in the game

[frozen lion]

no1 will complete clog

you can go for gilded staff though

[sacred oracle]

Just like there are thousands of pet hunters, despite most of them will never finish every pet

That doesn't seem like a strong point to me

[tender harness]

side note: when will net traps be one singular item
getting annoyed ith tecus fucking moonwalking into a net trap and collapsing it into two items

[gaunt minnow]

yeah Ig uess its more realistic for that

but just adding things to the clog and saying now it's a worthwhile thing to do isn't a great validation for me

maybe it is for you

[frozen lion]

any HCIM losers?

[restive storm]

couldnt be me man

[south void]

Rip TOA, just another casualty of Leagues

[true talon]

Need a bug to break chambers to allow ancestral to drop

[burnt cove]

Can we get a fix for leviathan combat achievement “unconventional”. It’s impossible to complete it if a ranged echo hits so you’d have to redo your pact tree for that one achievement

[burnt cove]

@winter hearth idk how to make a request like this

[ember token]

bugs can be reported ingame by right clicking the report button and clicking report game bug

[chrome lantern]

I do think that catering to cloggers is an issue and Jagex should be fine with things staying as “incompletable” or megarare cosmetics, like there was no good reason that they added so many worthless clogs to Sailing or made the Jar of darkness/Stale baguette more common

On top of that, content now is designed around “time to complete the log” explicitly

[meager flame]

im not sure if stuff like that is actually a problem or not like

their job is to make the game for the people playing it right and if most people think clogging should be achievable or whatever for a particular item

its hard to say jagex is really wrong for changing it

even if i wasn't personally a fan or whatever that's basically what the polls are for

i do think jagex polls sometimes in a super biased way though

like for example they won't even talk about bad updates again and give us a chance to let them know if it should still exist or not

which sounds really harsh but sometimes that topic should come up

it would have to be a pretty extreme situation but sometimes we probably should be able to just send content back and they can figure out if they'd like to repoll it later when its bad enough

[hard axle]

hyper rares are the fun part

EHC goes brrr

[chrome lantern]

It’s one thing if people were arguing to make everything more common, at that point I could just call it a bad take, but it’s wild to ask for some things to be made more common when 3a still objectively makes the clog incompleteable

Statistically

And to be clear

I know that the people voting on “should jar of darkness be more common” are not the same people with thousands of master clues done

Or at least not most of them

[hard axle]

I know 1 specifically was one with almost no tob/hmt kc and hour long duo cms

[true talon]

I remember when i asked this lol.

It was wrong about 3rd age

from raids

but the EST time was pretty nuts

[hard axle]

add gemstone crab pet

if we're gonna add shit like moxi pet, add gemstone crab pet

[true talon]

42k hours at optimal efficency of doing clues only..... meanwhile you need to jagex to not add new clogs within those 42k hours.

[restive siren]

funnily enough anything they add is kinda irrelevant compared to those clue numbers

[hard axle]

there's unfortunately a decent amount of mid-tier cloggers who can't do hard content and i lowkey think they're the same dudes who don't want shit like blorva kit, radiant, BH kits to clog

[restive siren]

moon helm being an exception ig

[hard axle]

nah, they hard gutted this shit

i remember folks initially saying how moon helm shouldn't be on clog cuz of the hours lmao

[restive siren]

oh did they

whats it at now

[hard axle]

500 ehc iirc

[restive siren]

ic

[chrome lantern]

Amoxliatl and pet unpolled btw

[hard axle]

i dont doubt it

i stopped paying attention as much to blogs ever since most stuff seems to pass regardless unless i hear something about bad balance, and then i take a look

[meager flame]

i think jagex just needs to get back to doing what their players actually ask them to do

[hard axle]

yes and no

[meager flame]

i mean its basically what made the game good and what they're actually good at doing they really shouldn't have switched it up

[hard axle]

hold the line on balance, but do what players ask for that doesn't step over the line

[still sundial]

they should do what people ask for if the people are me

[hard axle]

actually, let me see if they fixed the zulrah bug

its been 3-4 weeks lol

[meager flame]

i honestly don't think they're any better at balance than we are sometimes

i actually think the community is probably much better at it because we talk to each other and like

basically get a million peer reviews

where jagex seems to have a lot of freedom to just put some crazy shit out and then realize it was bad

[hard axle]

I know I'm a crackhead about balance above all

that's for sure

[hard axle]

nope, still broken

[meager flame]

but you know that just loops back around to what i was saying about getting back to what their players want

if they talk about stuff in advance we'll let them know when its stupid

if they somehow dont realize

[chrome lantern]

Honestly it really feels like my votes are worthless at this point

[meager flame]

its always when they try to go rogue and make things to be exciting because nobody knows about it

that something crazy happens lol

[chrome lantern]

The only things that fail are nail beast noises and wildy stuff

[meager flame]

like contracts

or when they try to talk to exclusive groups

like with pvp updates

all of their problems boil down to not being transparent and communicating with their entire community almost

its not even a bad thing either nobody is going to out think hundreds of thousands of people together

they should just use their community correctly

[chrome lantern]

It’s even worse when they have 5 blogs and then say, “We’re moving forward with/polling it this way anyway even though we heard your feedback”

[meager flame]

ya thats textbook hubris

its never a good thing lol

if you have an idea and like literally almost everyone and by everyone i mean thousands of people disagrees

and you don't check yourself like "maybe i am wrong"

you're just being crazy lol a lot of game devs do that

[chrome lantern]

Reminder that Yama contracts had 0 polls or information yeah

[meager flame]

and it basically never works

i think its because they look back at some games where a guy just makes it and its amazing

but osrs isn't that situation they have all the people who will play it willing to tell them what they think before it exists

they don't have to luck into good content and ideas

[true talon]

"do you want awakener orbs 2.0"
Players - FUCK NO

[meager flame]

they're honestly super fortunate and blessed to be in the situation they are in

[chrome lantern]

Honestly idk why I didn’t connect the dots until now but I feel like when they do playtesting it’s pretty inherently flawed too, because nobody doing playtesting is getting remotely deep enough into content to actually understand the problems with it and the scope of it isn’t large enough to find many if any of the issues

[meager flame]

they dont have to hope their focus group reflects their target audience or anything

because their group is literally hundreds of thousands of subscribers to the game that already exist

they can find out if ideas resonate or if the gameplay seems fun to their players instantly lol

[chrome lantern]

It’s way different to do a short “does this idea sound interesting/appealing” or even “is this beta/closed NDA playtest good” and “what are the problems with grinding ToA for hundreds to thousands of KC at invocation levels you’re not even good enough to do yet”

[meager flame]

yeah but tbh

the last example doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things

like it obviously does to you and me but for the health of their game and making good updates in general

they can get back to that once people actually play it

[hasty shard]

im pretty sure they are meant to be polling more out there things vs fully fledged concepts as per when they changed the polling charter and they just havent since muspah

[chrome lantern]

I mean I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that they could have recognized that ToA/invocations sucked during playtesting for long term engagement with the content

[meager flame]

its way more important to just engage with the average person in the game for them

oh for sure they could do a way better testing cycle

[hasty shard]

because unsurprisingly they have to plan things anyways for big runefest reveals and that sort of clashes

[meager flame]

in fact i'd go as far as saying that their testing is their greatest failing

if they did wow ptr style worlds they would allow everyone to play that is interested and get that in depth feedback

but they generally try to hide everything away instead

so the regular game world is the test world

they don't really need to do focus testing at all when they could just cast the widest net possible

make people respond to in game surveys

and categorize everyone based on whatever metrics they want

[tender harness]

so why tf are tecu salamanders moon walking into net traps

[chrome lantern]

I do think that conceptually it was very interesting back in the day/with RS3 stuff where a new huge thing just plops out of nowhere and you don’t know what it is or what it really means or gives

But I don’t really trust current OSRS at all to deliver that well xd

[meager flame]

tldr they can/should harness their community as a whole instead of trying to like

[tender harness]

😭 they're like walking backwards into traps or sideways to trigger traps

[meager flame]

basically bring people in and use focus groups and testing etc

[chrome lantern]

And yeah it is just inexcusable when content literally drops into the game that physically cannot be completed like Yama contracts on release

[meager flame]

only to then be blindsided

[true talon]

This is how you ruin games, blizzard did this, they just put shit out an dont fix it or let anyone debate if its good or not.

[chrome lantern]

I didn’t even know they used focus groups tbh

[meager flame]

its always better to just let the community run rampant and see what happens and adjust to it

because nothing else will reflect the day you actually launch the content better than that

[chrome lantern]

Imagine if they just released Ruinous Powers out of nowhere and we had people using venom to 1shot olm like in the beta xd

That kind of thing is within the scope of possible with how they’re currently operating

[meager flame]

im actually curious why they struggle so hard with beta worlds

like

why can't they easily run an alternate version of the game

almost every time they try to do beta worlds they run into issues and cant run it

[chrome lantern]

I felt like the few times they’ve done beta felt pretty good to actually engage with, the more disappointing parts were like

How they got a ton of Sailing feedback that they completely disregarded

Like all of the combat beta

[hasty shard]

"beta"

[meager flame]

maybe their issue is that they dont run a permanent alternative branch to just log into and test on

so they run into issues setting it up almost every time they do want to do that

because now that i think about it almost every game that does do testing that way

their test servers are almost always available

[languid tundra]

Is there a reason my player outline is completely out of place?

Like it’s not matching up with my character whatsoever, it’s like the floor is lower than where my character is actually stood

[chrome lantern]

I would recommend restarting your client or going to the RuneLite discord considering that's not a game issue

[languid tundra]

Is it not fair to assume this is related to the issue that caused zebak waves where they were sunk into the ground? That’s exactly what my characters silhouette/outline is doing right now, it’s half sunk into the ground

[chrome lantern]

I mean the outline is a RuneLite plugin so it's possible that it's related but it's not something that Jagex would fix

Because it's not their plugin/program

Even if they changed something that was being detected by the plugin Jagex would have no involvement with it

[grizzled edge]

anyone else not getting the ping noise for pickpocketing in varlamore house theiving plugin in runelite after the jagex launcher update this morning?

[analog crow]

Maybe it's time Jagex makes a definitive whitelist of all the methods players are allowed to use
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1t5kfmr/after_reaching_99_slayer_on_a_lvl_3_jagex_rolls/

[tacit pendant]

That whole situation is fucked. Not like there arent other level 3s with 99 slayer so it just seems pointless to rollback

[analog crow]

Yeah there is already enough rng in the game. We don’t need it in the rule enforcement. Please be consistent, jagex, or admit to making a rash decision.

[bitter quest]

is there anywhere I can post bugs? Levi is def having some weird issues haha

[minor whale]

I mean
A known bug abuser does something resulting in 50% higher XP/hr and keeps it secret
Then doesn't even get banned for bug abuse, just gets it rolled back, and the method gets patched
Seems like a pretty good outcome

[nocturne solstice]

Right click the red report button near the chatbox in game and select "report gamebug"

[bronze kernel]

Rendi has always skirted the grey area with his content

[nocturne solstice]

true

[minor whale]

Yeah it affected a grand total of 4 accounts
I'm not really pressed that they rolled back the XP
The alternative is banning them for bug abuse

[hasty shard]

you see 45k slayer xp/h is bad whilst 800k/h at trawler is good

[dawn merlin]

800k at trawler wtf is that?

[scenic ibex]

Yea my thoughts aswell. I've seen over 700k xp/h in mele stats spec alt transferring and over 1.3m range xp/h in cox (evescapes 8hr 40min 1-99 range wr). But no roll backs there. The way Mod Ayiza worded his response to rendi doesn't seem honest either when others have clearly utilized existing methods to do dumb xp numbers. The weekly routine checks mentioned don't add up if the few ppl that got rolled back are being honest with their xp gained timelines

[idle rapids]

Why would they roll those back? Those aren't bug abuse at all

Like you could maybe consider spec transfer with a bunch of accs an exploit, but even then its a stretch, its just doing what the spell is intended to do

The trawler thing is an actual bug abuse, but its weird that every1 is now like "Oh well josh got away with bug abuse" as if that makes all bug abuse okay 🤷‍♂️

And just to be clear Im generally in favor of bug abuse. I think this whole situation shows that we need more clear rules on what is and isn't bug abuse, what will and won't be punished.

[scenic ibex]

Until a video is released, showing the method that was used for the rollback to happen, all I can go off of is that existing methods were used to achieve those xp numbers, so it would be no different. Sounds like some gamers just got sweaty. If anything it is unintended and was only exploited bc of that. No one wants to share the method in the servers I'm in with those gamers. The devs do a horrible job at making it clear what is and is not intended

If it was like the quest reward xp dupe that rendi used to get 200m attack that one time then yea take action on the acc. If it was something like the new partner slayer is more powerful than devs had hoped then thats on the devs for not catching it, that would be the same as the evescape example. Still need the method to drop tho to know for sure.

[true talon]

I guess we need to remove the quiver and infernal cape from 0 prayer accounts that did the content using extreme amount of bugs by port khazard.

[idle rapids]

Thats a crazy assumption to say it was done with existing methods, and just verifiably untrue 🤷‍♂️ He was getting 45k slayer xp/hr, which is higher than you can get with the public boosting method. From what ppl were saying it sounds like he was abusing partner slayer (which is why it disabled for over a decade to begin with)

[idle rapids]

Yea I think the devs shouldve anticipated some issues with bringing back partner slayer and this feels vindictive

[true talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6R4oEwdTcE&t=7s
This is 1 hour of basically bug abuse.......

[idle rapids]

If they did roll back him from 99 to 78 slayer for using methods every1 else is using that would be wild

[true talon]

This is what happens when you dont clearly define whats acceptable.....

[idle rapids]

Their enforcement of bug abuse is rllly stupid ngl. I've abused different (now patched) methods for more xp than intended and never got punished, but the only time they've ever punished me for bug abuse is when I boosted others at trouble brewing, not secretly or anything, the official world on the day of an update to trouble brewing, with Jmods around. I got no benefit from boosting ppl, and had already sunk 200 hours into finishing the log, yet I was the only one punished for that, not even the ppl I boosted lol, they ended up ban me for 2 days and wipe my TB log

[scenic ibex]

I hope with oda making the video this topic gets more traction and we get another statement. I do hope that the gamers get their xp back tho. The devs have created some impossible accs with their poorly thought out decision making. I do hope that the devs were honest in their offical social media responses and it was actual blatant bug abuse and not just something that was a result of an oversight that was exploited.

[scenic ibex]

Of all the things to get rolled back/ removed on that lvl 3 acc for it to be, what's being claimed to be, higher xp with use of alts and existing methods is crazy.

[idle rapids]

Jagex hates fun, and emergent gameplay

Ngl them patching out everything even silly visual glitches is why I stopped playing

Just for me personally thats what I enjoy most in game

But Im glad this situation has sparked some discussion around bug abuse and I rlly hope it leads to some change

[scenic ibex]

Clarification at least

[true talon]

Runescape is one big bug abuse platform, its intricacies are literally ancient technology. its a game with a system that has done nothing but win on being bad lol.

[idle rapids]

True, emergent gameplay is so integral to RS!

[true talon]

Everything we consider today to be depth mechanics is just something failing to work

Its why in these videos peoples inventory looks like the most obsecure items imaginable.

[scenic ibex]

Rendi just dropped a video

[idle rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxW1d7WMGbo

[scenic ibex]

Just a vent video so far.

[idle rapids]

I thought its interesting that they kept him on a kraken task after resetting him to 78 slayer lol

Just keep it as a souvenir at that point, same I did with my negative pieces of eight

[scenic ibex]

A brief run through of the clips from 99 slayer were shown at the very end. Looks like splash slayer, use of stalls, partner slayer, and some boss slayer. Could be more, ik of a few methods currently that are probably unintended but I didn't see that in what he showed.

[minor whale]

Only 4 people got reset

There's a reason for that (the other accounts weren't bug abusing)

[idle rapids]

Yeah I know, I was saying if that HAD happened it would be wild, because death tiara said he was just using existing methods

[scenic ibex]

That's what I have seen people saying

[minor whale]

He's literally crying in the video that he got kicked out of the warriors guild on his level 3 by Jagex after getting a bronze defender

He's such a crybaby man
"why did Jagex reset my account that bug abused to get into an area of the game my account is explicitly not allowed into :((("

[scenic ibex]

It is strange to see jagex taking action against his accs now for seemingly harmless things compared to other things that acc has.

I do think he is underplaying the xp/h a bit tho

[idle rapids]

🤷‍♂️ don't have much to say about the warriors guild thing, like he pointed out in the vid it didnt benefit him at all anyways

[tacit wharf]

honestly should of been banned awhile ago

[idle rapids]

But sounds like with the slayer method he was just abusing partner slayer like people already did over a decade ago

[minor whale]

He isn't even liked by the bug abuse community lmao

I've got several friends in it and they all think he's a giant shithead

[idle rapids]

Of course he's not, the bug abuse community is extremely secretive and hates anyone who shares glitches

[minor whale]

He takes things that are hush-hush and then abuses the fuck out of them and explains exactly what is done and gets everything patched, then cries that the things get patched

[idle rapids]

Also they usually just act for their own benefit selling or trading bugs to others

[minor whale]

While essentially taking credit for "finding" the method

[idle rapids]

Eh if you assume that then thats on you 🤷‍♂️

[minor whale]

I mean

[idle rapids]

Hes just making content out of glitches

[minor whale]

He literally says he "found" the method in dozens of his videos

[idle rapids]

Id rather see glitches make an interesting vid then get patched instead of being passed around for GP by some sweaty neckbeards in the BA scene

[minor whale]

I'd rather the things get patched without some guy profiting off of it irl and crying about it getting patched

[idle rapids]

Idk what method you're referring to but in his breaking into mory vid, he clearly gives credit to Mauler for being the first to find it. Also mauler is his friend so I don't think he's butthurt about it

They've done streams with both of them together IRL before

[idle rapids]

Hes not profiting off the glitch hes profitting off the content he makes

[minor whale]

The content he makes showcasing the glitch and crying that it gets patched

It's coming on like 5 years now of the guy being just insufferable

[idle rapids]

Do you also have a problem with furious power showing off glitches, when his channel is extremely small and generates no revenue? I don't understand where you're drawing the line

I think its better for glitches to make an interesting video than just be kept secret till theyre patched

[idle rapids]

If its an simple as "showcasing the glitch" one of these vids wouldn't have 200x more views than the other

[austere mulch]

From the few clips he posted, it literally just looked like he was neeting out on partner slayer with 8 or 9 alts to speed up the process, rather than 1 or 2, and he worked out the logistics on which tasks were most effective with that many accounts

The only “new” thing on there was the splitting of the wildy boss slayer xp

Which I’d say is a far cry from but abuse, but I guess we’ll wait and see when the actual video drops

If it were anyone but rendi who also had access to that many accounts, let’s say coxie for example who is in good favor with Jagex, I’d be really surprised if they rolled it back.

Granted, someone like coxie probably would’ve streamed it instead of making YouTube content

[minor whale]

Other people who weren't Rendi got their accounts rolled back as well

[austere mulch]

key context is within 12 hours of rendi posting the achievement

but regardless, I think the most egegious bit of it all is what im sure any reasonable person would conclude is the appaernt dishonesty in calling it a 'routine' check

making a decision is fine because that's what they are expected to do, but at least stand by it with your chin up instead of pretending it was just your weekly checkin - 3 months and 9m xp later

[chrome lantern]

I do think this is pretty different from bug abuse, if anything it just shows an in-depth understanding, great execution, and if you call the video bug abuse then we might as well call anyone who ever tickeats a bug abuser too

As far as Rendi goes, I do think that if he felt the method/bug was of such a nature that he would choose to mention nothing about it and use it for 3 months, he probably expected it to be changed/fixed, so I don’t know why he would act surprised and offended when it got reverted

[austere mulch]

eh i can see the merit in saving it for 99 for the youtube series

we did something similar when figuring out the details in sote maze skips

[chrome lantern]

I do feel like in general though, Jagex tends to draw lines very inconsistently and abruptly at any form of unintended interaction. Giants’ Foundry on release in particular had an interaction that they patched where you could interact with the trip hammer while approaching it on the right tick to get a double-hit, which you could then use to effectively not lose any time with the proper timing while heating your sword (you would move immediately after hit, dunk 3 times, return, and get a double-hit, effectively just heating for free). But people didn’t understand how it worked, so Jagex changed what I thought was a super cool and engaging little bit of interaction.

There’s plenty more examples too

But that one has always stood out to me

[austere mulch]

the method was solved like 3 weeks before horse posted the vid, but we wanted to be sure it was 'complete' in that it can be executed

i wouldve rather them said something along the lines of "we got reports of unusual xp gains on some player accounts, including yours, and after looking into it, deemed it to be bug abuse. As a result, we rolled back the xp gain"

Rather than "It was a routine check"

bc the former seems infinitely more likely as to what happened than the latter + I feel the jmods as a whole often struggle with honesty around uncomfortable situations

understandably so, to an extent, bc the community can be a bit much at times

[analog crow]

Yeah the «routine check» explanation is pretty embarrassing.
I wonder if they have some nervous pr manger feeding them talking points.

Anyway yeah. Go after the harmless lvl 99 skiller account when the boss and skilling high scores are filled with obvious bots.
Good priorities, love to see it.

[idle rapids]

That routine check thing is a lie they certainly don't have systems in place to detect unusal amounts of XP unless its something theyve just added recently

Cause plenty of skilling methods that exceed normal XP/hr have flown under the radar until they're made public

Or sometimes until they are just unintentionally fixed by another update (rip 6 hour agility)

[onyx knot]

100% bias on the jmods part sorry not sorry they have a bone to pick with rendi and thats it, what about joshisntgaming getting 900k fishing xp hr at trawler LOL guess thats okay?

yall forget tic manp is bug abuse that " became ok"

or prayer flicking

animation stalling

tripple eats

tick eating

[meager flame]

Tbf if me and you did this we’d have 99 still

They just don’t like the guy this is what happens when employees are too familiar with individual players

As far as I can tell it looks to be simple clever use of game mechanics

[onyx knot]

classic old make an example out of him kinda sh

[nocturne solstice]

I havent been keeping up, did he disclose the method he used yet?

I remember that was a sticking point for a while

[meager flame]

I think he would simply be banned if it was real bug abuse too

Like many of his other accounts

[nocturne solstice]

Is the issue here that he got a rollback not a ban?

[meager flame]

Yeah it makes it look like he didn’t really do anything wrong but they don’t like it

So they rolled him back

Otherwise a ban is the obv solution

[onyx knot]

whats the difference from josh isnt gaming, he actually abused a bug and weas getting like 800k fishing xp hr from trawler of all places?>

[nocturne solstice]

Why does it make it look like he did nothing wrong? People get different punishment based on the offence and the severity.

People get mutes for verbal stuff not bans so why would a rollback make it seem like he was innocent?

[nocturne solstice]

I dunno that guy, what's the skinny on that story?

[meager flame]

Bc like if it’s serious enough big abuse to warrant jmods doing anything

[nocturne solstice]

You sending a screenshot of someone getting 74k xp drop doesnt mean anything to me lmao

[meager flame]

Certainly 3 months of that is worthy of a ban

But they didn’t do that

[onyx knot]

found a bug on trawler getting him 74k fishing xp drops every 5 mins on main game

[meager flame]

So it’s pretty sus

[onyx knot]

got 99 fishing then reported the bug

[nocturne solstice]

Was it the same bug rendi did?

[onyx knot]

no what ever " bug" rendi did netted him 45k xp hr how are you gonna say no to rendi but lets josh get a pass

[nocturne solstice]

I dunno, like I said, would depend on what it was and the severity.

[onyx knot]

800khr main game

[nocturne solstice]

Again, I don't know josh so I dunno what to tell ya.

I'm just interested in what the difference between the two are

Since you bring em up

[meager flame]

I think the manual jmods come in and roll a bunch of accounts back after investigating months of activity is like

Somewhat beyond the effort level they give to people they perm ban lol

Something very weird went on

[nocturne solstice]

Some clarity would always be nice ye

[thick beacon]

i dont know full context but out of all crazy things hes done on a lvl 3 why is that where they draw the line and punish him?

[onyx knot]

just seems odd they have messed with rendi multiple times in the past and givin him multiple account bans for funsies , all the while these people doing manual " checks" blindly look passed dozens of actual 200m xp black chin bots lol\

[meager flame]

It’s not they’ve banned him on several accounts

That’s why this is actually weird

They already set precedent for what to do with him when it’s bad

It’s the thing that makes it look like a “we don’t really like you but you didn’t do anything wrong” type of move

[onyx knot]

i remember when they banned him mid fight caves on a brand new account permd him on a 1 day old account which all gameplay was recorded going for his lvl 3 fire cape

[nocturne solstice]

Going off what chrono just said it sounds like he's been banned before multiple times so I wouldn't say this is the "draw the line" moment.

If anything it would be smudging the line? since this was a rollback not a ban

[restive siren]

idk if i was rendi with a history of bans and such an insane account i would have started asking jmods if doing something is ok like 10 years ago

why risk your income for nothing

[minor whale]

Probably that he immediately reported the issue to Jagex as it was discovered then did it like 3 total times to see what the cap was, and a "chunk locked account" isn't an official gamemode that Jagex cares about the hiscores of.

One person having done a bug doesn't mean it's carte blanche for everyone

Especially when the circumstances are entirely different

[onyx knot]

straw man ^

[minor whale]

?

[meager flame]

I’d be surprised if rendi can actually have a regular talk with the jmods

[minor whale]

Do you know what straw man means

Because it's not that

[meager flame]

I don’t really think they’re all cool with each other lol

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah I dont think thats a strawman since you brought up Josh Chrono

If pyro made up a scenario then sure call it a strawman

He's just explaining the difference between the two

[minor whale]

No, Jagex definitely doesn't really like the confirmed bug abuser who was chain banned for trying to knock worlds offline to perform a dupe and consistently makes very public videos showcasing bugs he abused months prior without alerting Jagex about

[onyx knot]

surely we arent saying rendi did a nono finding a 45k hr xp method for slayer but josh gets a pass at 800k hr for trawler lol crazy

[nocturne solstice]

We aren't, now that would be a strawman.

[onyx knot]

it doesnt matter if he reported it or only did it three times if what rendi did isnt okay then neither is what josh did

and he didnt just do it by himself if you watch the video he invited his whole clan to do it

[nocturne solstice]

I think it does matter, if someone accidentally causes a bug, does small replicating to confirm, then reports it, that would be different from abusing it for 3 months right?

[minor whale]

I mean
It does matter if he reported it or not

Jagex definitely lets you "test out" bugs before reporting to confirm it exists and how abusable it is

I've done it before

[nocturne solstice]

im watching the josh video now for context btw but ffs its 55 minutes long lmao

[minor whale]

And not gotten a ban

[onyx knot]

im just not seeing how the disparity of xp hr isnt bothering you two

[nocturne solstice]

I think the xp has 0 relevance. It's just bug abuse or not to me.

[meager flame]

I mean that’s the part that sticks out

Like did he abuse it for 3 months and it’s a bug so why didn’t he get banned

[harsh herald]

its pretty clear that it has just been targeted. rolling back an account by 3 months for an extra 15k xp per hour is insane

[nocturne solstice]

There could be a lot of reasons and we'd just be making guesses tbh

[onyx knot]

it 100% has relevance rendi grinded for 300 hours, josh abused a bug and turned his 500 hour grind into 2 hours

[meager flame]

Do I have to fear a manual rollback now if I’m smarter than a jmod that makes content if it wasn’t an actual bug?

Did it only happen because it’s rendi

Etc

Makes you ask some questions

[nocturne solstice]

I mean Rendi intentionally looks for bugs and exploits, are you doing that?

[harsh herald]

would love to know how they concluded an extra 15k xp per hour is deserving of a rollback, but the actual bug abuse for him to access mory was fine

[nocturne solstice]

Why would you be worried if you're following conventional training methods IE just go barrage nechryaels or something

[restive siren]

i dont really think it matters if you save 100 hours or 500 hours, both are pretty insane to me. and one was competing for highscores the other wasnt

[nocturne solstice]

I thought he got banned for mory?

[restive siren]

its not consistent but its overblown

[onyx knot]

josh intentionally abused a bug, got his goal, invited his clan used the bug for like 3 days?

[minor whale]

I mean
I agree I think his account should be banned lmfao

[onyx knot]

pot > kettle?

[meager flame]

It depends maybe I think of something they really don’t like which isn’t a bug but is unexpected

[nocturne solstice]

Im still watching the vid to find out what exactly Josh did haha. What was Rendi doing specifically?

[meager flame]

Which is what likely happened here

[harsh herald]

no, its the same account

[minor whale]

Rendi didn't make a video on it yet after abusing it for 3 months, so nobody knows the exact thing he did

[meager flame]

Otherwise it seems like they would just ban

[onyx knot]

rendi hasnt put the video out yet

[minor whale]

And the other people who did it in the server who also got rolled back keep saying they won't say what they did

[nocturne solstice]

So we don't know what he did?

[minor whale]

Sounds like bug abuse to me 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like we should find that out before we pick sides no?

[minor whale]

No, must defend known bug abuser who tried to dupe by knocking worlds offline, he would never lie or stretch the truth

[meager flame]

It seems like he probably just did something unexpected with partner slayer and several accounts

[onyx knot]

he wasnt rolled back on the bases of a bug abuse the jmod posted on twitter clearly saying he " gained unusual amounts of xp daily" at a whopping 45k xp hr

[minor whale]

Jagex bad remember

[onyx knot]

he wasnt rolled back on the bases of a bug abuse the jmod posted on twitter clearly saying he " gained unusual amounts of xp daily" at a whopping 45k xp hr

[meager flame]

Otherwise I think jagex just easily bans

Instead of rolling back

[nocturne solstice]

Hmm thats certainly weird wording

[minor whale]

His own video says "between 45k and 55k" and that's over double the normal 3cb XP rates

[restive siren]

repeating 45k xp a hundred times doesnt make it not a more than 50% xp increase and a 150 hour time save

[minor whale]

He's also, once again, doing it behind the scenes without confirming the bug exists to Jagex

[meager flame]

Yeah hence unexpected and they probably didn’t like it but I bet he didn’t do anything actually wrong

[restive siren]

its siginificant

[harsh herald]

even on a common sense basis, gaining 15k xp more than meta does not on its face seem worthy of a 3 month rollback

[restive siren]

15k on a 300k method doesnt, 15k on a 30k method does

[harsh herald]

how many rollbacks did jagex do during sailing when people were competing for 99 and actively trying to abuse the 10k bottle bug?

[meager flame]

Since honestly if it was real big abuse

[harsh herald]

0

[minor whale]

He "found" a method that only a few other people knew about, used it for 3 months without informing Jagex, then cries when Jagex rolls him back

[meager flame]

You’d think 3 months of it could cop a ban

[minor whale]

Instead of outright banning the people they just removed the "erroneous" xp

[thick beacon]

arent all lvl 3 methods pretty whack to begin with i havint seen method but i feel like its just a cool discovery

[minor whale]

They should have just banned them instead and people wouldn't be crying and shitting their pants right now over known bug abuser abusing a bug and refusing to discuss what it was anywhere lmao

[meager flame]

It’s almost certainly some kind of situation of jagex just not accounting for something and the game actually functioning correctly

They just didn’t like the results

[minor whale]

A JMod confirming it was a bug

And was bug abuse for 3 months

Seems like it was bug abuse

[meager flame]

So maybe they could answer the next question

[onyx knot]

again like josh wasnt

it was a worse bug

[meager flame]

If it’s really bug abuse and that’s not bs

[onyx knot]

no punishment for josh your cherry picking

[meager flame]

How is it not a ban

[nocturne solstice]

we still dont know what it is so I dunno if its cool or not

[harsh herald]

there's no issue with finding a method, i thought they were all for emergent gameplay? did anyone get banned / rolledback for the group Nex or Phosani methods?

[meager flame]

They’ve already banned the guy a million times so I’m curious

Repeat offender etc

[minor whale]

Ok? Revert Josh's XP too?
Saying "cherry picking!!" doesn't just mean all scenarios are identical just because they share a similar thread

[nocturne solstice]

So it sounds like multiple bug abusers got rolled back. They specifically mention it was a "bug" that was fixed.

[onyx knot]

your right they arent the same, joshs is literally worse lol

[onyx knot]

roll back joshs then dude invited the clan out to help him and they all benefitted from the bug

[analog crow]

A lot of sweaty skilling methods and pvm methods are bugs/unintended and got informally allowed by jagex.
A lot of popular plugins also break jagex tos, as gnome explained in his recent video

People pushing the limits have no way of knowing ahead of time if their methods fall inside or outside the arbitrary grey zone that any particular Jmod is working with behind the scenes

[minor whale]

What
How did they all benefit from the bug lmao

[nocturne solstice]

Why are you fixating on Josh so much rn

[minor whale]

Because that's literally the only argument he has

[onyx knot]

once josh was done they all used the bug for 3 days ?

[nocturne solstice]

I really really really would just like to know what Rendi did and compare it to what Josh did

[thick beacon]

i remember when toa was released ppl were discussing whether akkha bfly/red x baba was bug abuse or not. diffrence was jagex made a stance on that stuff quickly.

[harsh herald]

Nah, it sounds like they are being so inconsistent that people can't even figure out what the criteria for a rollback versus a ban is. Realistically, it's easier to just look at it at face value and to say it has been a selective decision.

[onyx knot]

because one guy robbed a bank for 45,000 $ and the other for 800,000 and some how the 45k is the only dude in the wrong lol

[meager flame]

Tbf jagex took the wrong stance on that one asap then went through a learning experience

[minor whale]

Sorry, the known bug abuser hasn't released that information so we have to all speculate and assume that what he was doing was completely innocent and definitely not bug abuse 🙁

[meager flame]

I’m still curious

[minor whale]

Except he didn't rob it for $45k lmao

[thick beacon]

was he not planning on making a guide on it?

[nocturne solstice]

Well inconsistency exists if they act differently for two instances of the same thing. We don't know if its the same thing or not so it's premature to call it inconsistent isn't it?

Regarding what people think the criteria is for a rollback or ban, that's just player speculation and vibes.

[meager flame]

Repeat offender banned a million times abuses for 3 months and… rollback?

[onyx knot]

ehh iv seen you through out the discord and you just have bad takes after bad takes idrc what you have to say atp

[minor whale]

He robbed it every hour for $45k for 3 months while the other guy robbed it once for $800k after telling Jagex how he was able to rob it

[nocturne solstice]

Well more like one guy was robbing 45k for 3 months.

[meager flame]

I’m ngl I’m still curious to see rendi drop the method this might just get more entertaining

[onyx knot]

your right, he got his 99,and so did josh 😂

[nocturne solstice]

That's what I've been sayin man

[onyx knot]

yea and the 800k did it for 3 days all the way to 99

[minor whale]

What

He got 81 fishing

[onyx knot]

once? dude went to 99

[minor whale]

Dude went to 81
It's in the video lmao

He stopped once he finished his chunk goal

[restive siren]

so you are saying both of them exploited 2-3M exp?

crazy

almost like xp/hour isnt really relevant

[minor whale]

It's so funny

Guy uses Josh as the crux of his argument

And doesn't actually fucking know what he did lmaooo

[nocturne solstice]

at 47:40 of the vid he says he immediately told jagex and it was patched a day later.

Did Rendi ever tell jagex about the bug?

Did I miss the 3 day part you mentioned?

[minor whale]

Only 18 levels difference guys it's the same as if he got 99 like Rendi!

[thick beacon]

i feel like he wouldve showcased it

if he was given chance after 99 slayer and stuff

[minor whale]

There was only a difference of 11 million XP between the 2 it's THE EXACT SAME

[harsh herald]

you're not making much sense here ngl

[minor whale]

?

Chronus repeatedly said they were the same and that Josh abused it to 99

He got to 81 and Rendi abused to 99
There's an 11m difference in the "amount" of bug abuse

Oh hey Chronus is dming me stuff very upset

Wonder why he didn't just type it in here

Hmmmmmm!

[restive siren]

lmao

[nocturne solstice]

Going by the math of Josh's video.

• He did the method from 77-81 which is 707k xp
• Each fishing trip is 5m long
• His highest xp drop was 74k (didn't get that high again)
• This means he went on 9+ trips to get 707k
• He did this for 50m then reported it

That's a lot less time than 3 months

[minor whale]

I know nothing can be done about it but I'll just pop it in mod-mail I guess for posterity

[harsh herald]

So by the sounds of it, Josh's exploit was a more ground breaking 'bug abuse' garnering more xp per hour than Rendi's

[idle rapids]

I guess Rendi isn't the only one crying today

[nocturne solstice]

Probably why it got patched in a day

[harsh herald]

Did he get rolled back?

[idle rapids]

No

[nocturne solstice]

Dont recall any mention but also this video was like 55 goddamn minutes dude

I aint watching the next one to find out lmao

[minor whale]

There's a pretty substantial difference, including he alerted Jagex to it after confirming the level to which it could be abused and then didn't go any past that

Instead of using it all the way to 99

Silently

For 3 months

[nocturne solstice]

My personal feelings is that it's a case by case basis. One guy reported it the day he found it, one guy didnt for 3 months.

[minor whale]

Exactly

I've found bugs and reported them after testing them

Some pretty substantial ones

[nocturne solstice]

I could see them being a bit more lenient to the guy that reported it and even moreso if its just 707k xp and not several million.

[idle rapids]

Right, he needed to get exactly the fishing level to leave his chunk to confirm that the glitch was a glitch 🤔 makes sense

[minor whale]

And not gotten punished because I stopped after sending in the bug report

[harsh herald]

So, if i find a bug abuse that can get me for example, 150k xp per hour and spend 3 days to get to 99 and then report it. Is that better or worse than spending 200 hours at a lower xp rate?

[nocturne solstice]

Is the time you spent at a lower xp rate exploiting a bug that you didn't report?

Also whats with the 3 day number?

[harsh herald]

I wouldn't have reported it during the period of the exploit. There's no difference between Rendi and Josh on that part.

[nocturne solstice]

did i miss that in the video lmao

[minor whale]

Yeah it's literally a factor of scale
Did you abuse the bug short term and report it in good faith, or did you abuse the bug for 3 months and didn't ever get around to reporting it?

[nocturne solstice]

Thats a pretty big difference dude

[minor whale]

There's absolutely a massive difference lol

[idle rapids]

I'm gonna find a 10m xp/hr glitch and abuse it for 49 minutes so that its deemed acceptable by this discord 👍

[harsh herald]

How's that a difference? Are we not supposed to report bug finds immediately lmao

[nocturne solstice]

What are you talking about? That's what you're supposed to do, Rendi didn't for 3 months.

[harsh herald]

As I said, are we supposed to report bugs immediately or is it once we hit our goal?

[minor whale]

Part of the bug I found years ago came immediately after skull prevention came out
I used it for about a day and made about 30m in profit from it, reported it to Jagex, explained what the issue was and how it worked, then never did it again and I was left alone

Because if you discover something and test out how abusable it is and report it and leave it alone, Jagex nearly always appreciates it and lets you go

[gaunt minnow]

Why report it at all if it could get you a rollback or ban with absolutely no guidance whatsoever as to what will give that outcome

[nocturne solstice]

I would say you report it immediately

[idle rapids]

That anecdote means nothing tbh

I have found a dozen or more glitches, not reported them, and also been left alone by jagex

[gaunt minnow]

This one is obviously on jagex for not having clearly defined rules and sticking to them

[nocturne solstice]

Well rn it seems like the guy who reported it (josh) didnt get a rollback and the guy who didnt (Rendi) did get rolled back

So that should be incentive enough to report it no?

[harsh herald]

because the justification you are both giving is that Josh reported it immediately after hitting his goal. Well, he had a higher xp per hour. Should Rendi have just been fine he reported it at 99 slayer? I'm not really seeing the sense here.

[minor whale]

Dude
XP/he doesn't mean shit when the total amount abused is WAY higher for one guy lmao

If you have 800k/hr for one hour

[gaunt minnow]

Probably because Rendi is a content creator and they like to make an example of these situations

[minor whale]

It's VERY different than "50% more XP" for 3 months

[idle rapids]

Yeah gnome's video goes over that point well, there's way too much grey area

[nocturne solstice]

Nah that's a strawman dude that wasn't my argument at all.

My argument was that Josh and Rendi have two different situations.

Josh = 707k xp
Rendi = 13m xp

Josh = Reported soon after discovering
Rendi = Said nothing and exploited for 3 months

[idle rapids]

Jagex have set it up where they can punish whoever they want

[nocturne solstice]

I would like to know more information before making like, a final verdict or anything though

[minor whale]

And in this case they've decided to punish the well known bug abuser who openly states he loves finding and exploiting bugs

[nocturne solstice]

I find it strange that the community flip flops on gnomes opinion so often 😅

[minor whale]

Legit
I don't give a single iota of a fuck about what Gnomonkey thinks but as soon as he makes a video you've got masses of people saying SEE WHAT GNOME SAID?

[idle rapids]

I mean, I'm not a big fan of his personality, but hes an excellent PvMer and makes decent vids and I thought he covered this topic pretty well 🙂

[gaunt minnow]

If it’s an opinion on Toa gear advice I would not listen to him but general jagex meta he has experience

[idle rapids]

He had more knowledge on the topic than I expected since hes so into PvM, he went over some examples of him finding PvM bugs

[minor whale]

Even the extent of the ToA purple bug
You know not everyone who did that got banned and clogs removed right

[nocturne solstice]

He's got skill and I thought he was great then so many shat on him for his TOA guides and saying stuff like use Bowfa and Eclipse = iron bowfa.

Then respect again, then he got shat on again for saying doom was too easy I think? despite his screen just covered in plugins

Its just flip floppy haha 😅

[minor whale]

If you did it to "test" it and then reported it you were left alone and not banned

If you did it multiple times over the course of days you got banned and clogs removed

[idle rapids]

Well, some of his advice is questionable for newbies IMO since hes looking at the game from the lens of a top level player, and he can also come across a bit elitist. But generally he knows what hes talking about

[minor whale]

Reporting shit you discover almost always protects you from being punished for shit you discover

[idle rapids]

Like when he says ppl should bring mixed hide to a 500 for example, I don't rlly agree with that

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah same vibe I get tbh. Also not a big fan of his personality tho so i dont watch haha.

[idle rapids]

To their first 500 I mean*

[idle rapids]

Not historically accurate

Its selective enforcement and has been for a long time

[harsh herald]

Josh + Rendi = abused the bug until they reached their target level. There's an inconsistency in approach here. If the entire point is that we are not meant to exploit a bug abuse, the rules and punishment require consistency. Now it sounds like people are just going around in circles to give some justification to Josh explicitly bug abusing.

[minor whale]

I know personally several people who did it once to test and 1 person who did it dozen times over the course of a week and guess which singular person got banned

[harsh herald]

Was anyone ever rolledback for the pillar bug abuse at ToA?

[idle rapids]

Okay well ur 1 anecdote means nothing when we're talking about the whole game

There's plenty of examples that contradict that

[idle rapids]

No

Punishment for bugs is not common unless its generating GP

[minor whale]

Ok and when we're discussing 1 guy vs 1 guy, Rendi and Josh are both anecdotes too 😭

We know the full details of one person's extent of bug abuse and one person has kept it hush hush for 3 months

[idle rapids]

I was surprised they cracked down so hard on the ToA invo thing, gnome brought it up in his vid but Noobtype literally did 1 770 run, which didn't even give extra rewards because the rewards are capped at 600, and he got a 3 day ban that they raised to a 2 week ban after a short time

[minor whale]

If we're being entirely honest Rendi's level 3 should just be outright banned or rolled back to not being able to enter Morytania and have his hiscores of all Mory bosses wiped, and clogs removed

[idle rapids]

Yeah they're both just individual situations, that highlight how there needs to be better rules/guidelines in place

[idle rapids]

Again, selective enforcement of rules

These things shouldnt be a coin toss

[minor whale]

I mean, a complete moratorium on all bug testing just means the only people who do it are unscrupulous actors who don't report what it was to Jagex
I don't think something has to be black and white to be pretty reasonable to avoid punishment over

There's a pretty easy line to compare using game mechanics that have always existed but in a way Jagex didn't realize was OP in some way, versus intentionally breaking a system with a cap on it that's visible to do something unintended

Just as an easy set of examples

[idle rapids]

Right, rendi did the former, josh did the latter

So if anything Josh shouldve been the one punished

[minor whale]

LOL what

[hasty shard]

of the opinion that they shouldnt ban for this stuff really

[idle rapids]

We've known partner slayer can be abused for over a decade

Thats literally why it was disabled

[minor whale]

You're not serious right
Trawler existed as it did with the XP mechanics existing and storing the total XP since it was created. There's no cap on the total XP from it and never had been.

[idle rapids]

And you think its intentional that all the XP gets passed to one person?

[minor whale]

I mean, megascales exist and it's identical and Jagex slightly nerfed them but allowed them to stay

[idle rapids]

Jagex tried to remove that and failed

It wasnt supposed to be a slight nerf they wanted to eliminate that type of servicing

[minor whale]

Meanwhile the 770 invo bug was clearly going outside the bounds of the visible limit of what ToA invos can be and then it wasn't reported

[idle rapids]

Its a large RWT vehicle

[minor whale]

There's several ways they could remove it, they didn't implement any of the actual effective ways and then didn't try again

They made it harder but not impossible

[idle rapids]

1. It was literally giving the same rewards as a 600 while being more difficult
2. He did report it, after only doing one raid, yet still got punished (twice)

[hasty shard]

you see he made a video on it though so its rwt because he got money

DISGUSTING bannable behaviour

[minor whale]

And in Rendi's case you're just instantly believing that he didn't abuse a system for 3 months that was outside of the visible limit on a system

[idle rapids]

how could i have missed this

[minor whale]

I mean clearly no minds are going to change here

[harsh herald]

he has already made a video discussing in part the methods he used

[minor whale]

And yet whenever anyone asks the other people who got XP reduced they refuse to go into detail about what they were doing

[idle rapids]

So if rendi does it, its abuse, if Josh does it, "its existed since it was created" (ignoring the fact that so has partner slayer)

[minor whale]

They swear it wasn't bug abuse though! Can't talk about it but it definitely isn't bug abuse

[idle rapids]

He posted a vid showing the method like 5 hours ago cmon

[harsh herald]

kind of hilarious that your account can get hacked, turned into a zulrah bot, you can then have it recovered and keep all the xp, clogs and gp. but manually traing slayer for 200 hours and youll be reset

[idle rapids]

Too real

[hasty shard]

also why are we moderating the game over snowflake account integrity

[minor whale]

His video 6 hours ago doesn't explicitly say at all what he did, he shows a single "method" then says he explored over the course of 3 months other methods where he used stalls and boss slayer and shit to accomplish it lmfao

[hasty shard]

45k/h with a fuck ton of alts so scary!

[minor whale]

He shows the only "kosher" method and then none of the others lmao

[idle rapids]

He shows what he did, if you don't understand it, then thats on you

[harsh herald]

God forbid that a lvl 3 account have a new way of training slayer after 25 years

[idle rapids]

Its very similar to jcws existing method, which I know you'd never dare to call abuse

Even though its 15x the rate of varrock museum lamping

[minor whale]

You know at the end of the video he quite literally says he did other methods using stalls

What are you talking about

He literally says he used other methods where he utilized stalls and boss slayer with his 9 alts and was intending on making a guide about the other methods

[idle rapids]

He literally shows himself doing the boss slayer and stalls in the vid

If you actually paid attention 🤦‍♂️

Just cause its not a 10 minute video of the method you can still see what hes doing

[minor whale]

Wowee 1 second clip of him running into Calvarion's lair and Scorpia that definitely shows the full method and means it couldn't be bug abuse at all!

I'm so glad he reported all this to Jagex so they could fix some of it

[idle rapids]

It clearly shows the method but thanks for making it obvious you dont even know what ur going on about 🤦‍♂️

[minor whale]

Clearly there was something in his methods that was over the line and deemed bug abuse which is why it wasn't just his account that got punished

[idle rapids]

It was him, and his friends he was doing it with

[hollow pumice]

this is still goin?

[onyx knot]

you dont abuse a bug for 3 months and not get out right banned this is clearly retaliatory

[hollow pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/gecko-lizard-leopard-gecko-enough-shush-gif-6574632544124167384

I ended this discussion like 5 hours ago

If it's real partner slayer jank that's on jagex for not fixing it before adding it back to the game and give him his 99, if it's a major bug he can kick rocks

[idle rapids]

Definitely the former, but I think this specific bug doesn't even matter at all. I just want jagex to make the rules around this type of thing more clearly defined

[hollow pumice]

I wouldn't be suprised if it was partner slayer ngl i've found like 20 bugs with that myself just trying to boost slayer on alts / help friends

they should have left it out of the game

[idle rapids]

They should have kept it "temporarily disabled" another decade or two 😆

[glossy jewel]

Hello good people of oceania, I mean gielinor. Have we finally reached 7th age in 1984 lorewise?

[hasty shard]

yes

[idle rapids]

yes

[ashen yarrow]

the rules are clear, there just is no clear threshold for what results in punishment and most people who get punished are not large youtubers so you never hear from them

[agile cipher]

also the average boater account has multiple perm bans that have been quashed, there's literal thousands of illegitimate max capes running around but thats fine 😛

[ashen yarrow]

yes and hundreds of thousands of botters keep getting banned

there is always very small portion that manage to avoid getting caught or somehow manage to get unbanned

[hasty shard]

i dont think the bug matters because ehp slayer is not fucking 30k/h and we shouldnt balance the game around snowflake accs

literal rinsing blood out of a stone method

[hasty shard]

and i think if they suddenly acted like they cared about the intergrity of snowflakes pvp would be nowhere near its current state

[glossy jewel]

Heyy but the people wasting their life doing absolutely outrageous slow and stupid methods require approval in form of hiscore!

[hasty shard]

oh right the other angle, as if they care about hiscore integrity look at the front page of any boss

[ashen yarrow]

it matters for leaderboard integrity since lvl3 skillers have their own leaderboard though

[glossy jewel]

A story as long as time, yes

[hasty shard]

like clockwork

[ashen yarrow]

People just love to act stupid when it comes to bug exploits so they could exploit them longer. Like we had people saying keeping 255 stats when dying tick perfect to a nettle in gridmaster was intended game mechanic

[hasty shard]

they like never patching leagues bugs

[gaunt minnow]

Idk why people are pretending that it’s not all on jagex for having unclear vague rules intentionally

But tbh it’s better than blizzard who don’t do any manual bans or roll backs and it’s all automated based on player reports

[restive siren]

blizzard does do manual bans and roll backs idk where you heard that. but not really relevant.

and while i think they could clarify some rules and show more consistency i also think its pretty much impossible to create an airtight system in a game with a million completely different bugs with the impact ranging from none at all to massively gamebreaking and everything in between

[ashen yarrow]

jagex cannot specify every single bug in rules before the bug even happens

[restive siren]

yeah like how does one even define unintended gameplay mechanic, we have so many that just got accepted

[ashen yarrow]

they have set some more failsafes which also negatively impact current leagues. Like robospear incident resulted in universal damage cap which was not removed for leagues

[dire mango]

They can try to be consistent on enforcement though. What constitutes a "patch and move on", rollback, temp ban, and perm ban?

[ashen yarrow]

impossible to define since most bugs are not same type

[restive siren]

well how would define those categories, by how much exp gained? by how much gp made? by how many people you killed in pvp? how many seconds did you save on a boss? did you do it once or 500 times? its like 500 factors all coming together, you cant sensibly make a ruleset thats 100% concrete

[ashen yarrow]

if it is breaking integrity or otherwise gamebreaking it will almost always have some punishment for people who abuse it a lot (if they are detected to abuse it)

[gaunt minnow]

It’s not relevant but would love to see the last manual ban done by blizzard

Not for the last 10 years + at least

People are literally being openly racist in chat and have no reprocussions unless they’re mass reported

[restive siren]

there being an automated ban system doesnt mean they dont manually ban people too. jagex bans millions of bots automated too

[dire mango]

You can categorise though, and include factors. Bugs that are literally gamebreaking, or ruins the in-game economy are obviously more serious than bugs that affect leaderboard competition. Then you can have factors like "was the bug reported" and the actual gain of the supposed abuser, that will also affect the punishment.

[gaunt minnow]

No but not manually banning anyone means they don’t manually ban people

[restive siren]

i know of a lot of people that got banned that didnt recieve a single report, even very public ones like in the rwf

[gaunt minnow]

Duh

[restive siren]

well if thats your headcanon have at it

[ashen yarrow]

so if announced threshold is 5m gp you can abuse it for 4.999m gp

[gaunt minnow]

Point is at least jagex looks at rule breakers and has some level of integrity

And blizzard has 0

[restive siren]

and my proof is i completely made it up. i have my gripes with bliz too man but nothing supports what you are saying

[restive siren]

yeah that would be an unintended consequence ngl

people juuust skirting the lines

[gaunt minnow]

That’s also your proof?

[restive siren]

no i know dozens of people who did definitely not get a single report or even mass reported who got banned. and as i said there are a ton of very public examples of it

happens in the race all the time

some slight bug abuse or clever use of game mechanics that gets cracked down on, same as in the rendi case

claiming they havent manually banned in 10 years is so demonstrably false its just being intentionally obtuse

[ashen yarrow]

Like we do not know the exact things jagex looks when deciding what to do with people who exploit bugs, same as we do not know what exactly triggers botting flags. Giving clear thresholds for punishment will only help the people who want to abuse things to avoid punishment

[dire mango]

Personal gain could be included yes. If you discover a bug and test it to provide a good bug report without gaining a large amount of money it's just a waste of resources to have someone go in and manually remove your arbitrary <5m with no punishment.

[gaunt minnow]

It’s not exclusive to exploiting bugs and botting though, all their rules are extremely vague and they pick and choose when to enforce them

Which is just bullshit considering how much time and effort people put into their accounts

[warm epoch]

You can see it in his video lol

[tender harness]

partner slayer abuse
but on the same token its rendi who is a whiny fuck that nobody likes
also the fact JCW still is untouched is

[gaunt minnow]

It’s clearly more than just what jcw did though surely

[vivid ruin]

Left vague purposely. Just like the rules on this disc

[obsidian venture]

The homie got temp banned for the toa invocation glitch way back. Rendi got rolled back

[dawn merlin]

the humidify thing is abit questionable but jagex has been aware of people abusing stalls for a long time which is why most stalls got removed.. So either they should remove all stalls or make it clear in which ways using stalls count as bug abuse

[spark folio]

Rules have to be a little vague, or people will just skirt them

[obsidian venture]

But looking at the two folks people are talking about, one abused it for less than a day and reported it, Rendi abused it for 3 months

Stalls are fine for the most part

[tender harness]

streamer account sharing moment

[obsidian venture]

This is something more than that it seems or Jagex is upset at the fact he got a 99 using it

[spark folio]

Odablock mentioned

[warm epoch]

Jagex 100% just doesn't like Rendi

[obsidian venture]

And if they upset at that, they should make it known. They might release a blog post on it tbh

[obsidian venture]

That’s understandable to some degree I’m ngl

But no reason to insta aggro as well

[warm epoch]

Yeah, Jagex opened themselves up to having to reset a whole bunch of streamers now

[obsidian venture]

They could have temp or permed and would that have been sufficient for folks?

[warm epoch]

/ content creators

[obsidian venture]

Well it’s <10 folks atm

[tender harness]

naw JCW also has 200m all non combats on a level 3

[obsidian venture]

Right but didn’t abuse an unknown method

This is utilizing partner slayer in some capacity

[dawn merlin]

i think it would've been accepted if he leaked to the lvl 3 community immediately lol

[obsidian venture]

Maybe

[warm epoch]

Was it an unknown method or was it an optimisation of a known method? Because afaik it's the 2nd

[dawn merlin]

but hard to say til i see the full methods

[obsidian venture]

Rendi is apparently known for taking credit for others idea (at least what people say about him)

[spark folio]

Who is this guy anyway?

[obsidian venture]

If it’s truly the 2nd, then this is concerning yes

[old shadow]

Tbh i just don’t like rendi for the “i’ll exploit this bug then report it” mentality

[obsidian venture]

But I can’t really side with anyone till the method is explained

The only thing I see rn is what Pingu said above

[warm epoch]

You can basically figure out the method from the footage in rendi's vid

[obsidian venture]

This

[spark folio]

If you exploit a bug for months and get slapped for it, that's entirely on the exploiter

[obsidian venture]

Is the “abuse” length the concern? The xp gained?

Yeah I’m looking at the timeframe

It’s one thing for it to be a day or two. Another to be a few months

[compact flicker]

Rendi finally got a perma ban?

[obsidian venture]

And “it’s my paycheck” is not really an excuse I’m ngl

[nocturne solstice]

hello yes ping

[obsidian venture]

No

[spark folio]

It's probably that he didn't report it and just exploited it

[compact flicker]

O

[obsidian venture]

He got rolled back manually

[warm epoch]

It wasn't an unknown method though, that's the thing

[nocturne solstice]

Nah got rollback which people seem to think is worse than a ban

[ember token]

Rendi got his slayer level rolled back from 99 to 78

[nocturne solstice]

Which confuses me but oh well

[compact flicker]

It do be odd

[tender harness]

I mean how many times was it "reported" if you go on for a couple months, its easy to see maybe? but not justifying it either way but. I dont know how many people reported this either

[nocturne solstice]

I assume not many because it's an unknown method since even now we don't know what it is.

[obsidian venture]

If it’s not an unknown method, why was there 4 people doing it

[nocturne solstice]

Just something to do with partner slayer

[warm epoch]

Anyway, hopefully they'll take action against streamers doing things against the spirit of Ironman mode now

[nocturne solstice]

Rendi hasn't said what he did in his vid about his rollback

[compact flicker]

Partner slayer

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[warm epoch]

Those people optimised it further than what was thought possible

[obsidian venture]

No one one besides it being related to partner slayer

[tender harness]

ironman hasn't been "ironman" since its early days lol

[warm epoch]

He showed footage though

[obsidian venture]

Barely

[nocturne solstice]

I dont remember seeing that in the video lemme go check again

also "optimized" doesn't mean anything to me. I optimize mining by equipping a dragon pick over rune.

I gotta know what exactly he did to make a fair assessment

[spark folio]

Based Pingu take

[warm epoch]

Then everything that isn't fully documented should be run by Jagex first

[spark folio]

No min maxing, just upgrade

[warm epoch]

Kinda weird take imo

[nocturne solstice]

oh i see why everyone jeeps bringing up josh and his fishing thing. It's because Rendi name drops him.

[nocturne solstice]

Jagex is not omnipotent

[tender harness]

the fishing trawler thing that was reported and fixed?

[obsidian venture]

In less than a day

[warm epoch]

Nah its because Josh's thing is just very known

[nocturne solstice]

Isnt bug reports the "run by jagex first" thing?

[warm epoch]

You're talking about bugs now, but what you mentioned was anything

[obsidian venture]

Noobtype got 2 weeked for the toa thing

[warm epoch]

And the toa thing was obviously a bug

This was a known method but optimized

[nocturne solstice]

I thought we were always talking about bugs since this was about rendi exploiting some kinda bug to get more xp.

[obsidian venture]

Right and he was given a punishment

[tender harness]

ngl I do love how they call it a routine check
then you look at how many bots are still on the high scores

[minor whale]

As far as Rendi says it was
I don't trust a known liar and bug abuser who always cries about Jagex

[nocturne solstice]

But I keep seeing people bring up random stuff to compare and obfuscate the conversation like

• Josh did it too
• ToA bug
• Red x is clearly a bug
• Prayer flicking is a bug
• Ban Port Khazard too for colo no prayer

Can we just find out what he did first before we decide stuff?

[minor whale]

He literally got worlds taken offline trying to do a dupe and then is shockedpikachu Jagex dislikes him lol

[tender harness]

khazard I think had is quiver rolled back thought I saw

[obsidian venture]

?

Where

[minor whale]

Nah that was a joke post

[tender harness]

ah

early morning brain fog

[nocturne solstice]

get pranked

[tender harness]

[obsidian venture]

Pretty much

[minor whale]

People equating any form of "unintended gameplay" as the equivalent of whatever Rendi did, without knowing what Rendi did

[obsidian venture]

Agreeing with Pingu more nowadays. What has this world come to

[warm epoch]

It's mostly that people have done worse without getting into any trouble, so it's now expected that Jagex gets way more proactive about this stuff

[tender harness]

red X was an actual bug that just got turned into a mechanic

tbf

[warm epoch]

I'm hyped to see Jagex take action against streamers going against the spirit of Ironman mode

[nocturne solstice]

Truly end times

[tender harness]

won't happen
also spirit of ironman mode doesnt exist anymore

[obsidian venture]

Different situation tbf

[spark folio]

What's Red X?

[warm epoch]

Should happen as long as it gets brought to their attention enough

[obsidian venture]

As it was more ingrained in different pvm

[nocturne solstice]

Id agree with that if people gave some better examples tbh. Was discussing the Josh fishing trawler thing earlier and it seemed like a wildly diffferent scenario.

[ashen yarrow]

red x, clicking on object to interact with it. Some bosses freeze if you are under them while trying to interact with object

[obsidian venture]

It def was and I only heard about it today

And the biggest factor to me at least was the timeframe

1 day vs 3 months

[spark folio]

That's a thing? Fair enough

[dawn merlin]

if anything its more unfair, people saw rendis xp going up they had 3months to discover the method themselves

[tender harness]

course this roll back now brings up people whining about 2 def pure accounts because of "oops, but blame jagex"

[nocturne solstice]

Monsters in the game have a gimmick where if you move due to a red-x click (interact) the NPC AI gets goofy and don't move or something so they don't move properly to attack you.

[warm epoch]

That implies it has to be a bug, though

[minor whale]

A bug reported and fixed in one day and not touched by him after exploring just how broken it is is identical to abusing something for 3 months /s

[nocturne solstice]

It's used in a few scenarios though I mainly remember Baba and GWD Garage door

[obsidian venture]

Yes

[warm epoch]

And either you don't know it's a bug, or you know it's an optimisation of a known method

But in this situation we cannot ever say it is for sure a bug

[nocturne solstice]

In the reply from Ayiza on twitter I think? said it was a bug.

[tender harness]

partner slayer in general was a mistake

[nocturne solstice]

So we know it's a bug
It's slayer partner related
It's like 45-50k/hr xp

[warm epoch]

Yeah but then a lot more things become bugs, I think Ayiza mispoke there

[nocturne solstice]

also he did it for 3 months

[warm epoch]

We know it's an optimisation of a known method

[obsidian venture]

It seemed closer to over 60k

[minor whale]

Bug abuser who bug abuses (who shouldn't even have that account tbf, the level 3 in Mory shit should get it banned or removed from high scores) complains his bug abuse was not bug abuse

[dawn merlin]

so it would've been fine if found a method to get 99 in 1 day then report it?

[nocturne solstice]

Why would a lot more things become bugs when it's this specific situation where Ayiza called it a bug?

[ashen yarrow]

"optimization" of partner slayer but completely different method from previous lvl3 slayer partner method if i understood it correctly but the exact method has not been shared

[warm epoch]

There's a lot more things that are optimisations of known methods where it wasnt Jagex verified after a day

[obsidian venture]

He wouldn’t have gotten this severe of a punishment tbf

[warm epoch]

So you're in a situation where that should always be a bug

[obsidian venture]

Jagex is usually light when folks insta report

[nocturne solstice]

Well no cause "optimization" can mean anything but we know this one is a bug cause they said it was a bug

[obsidian venture]

But if it’s longer than a few days you’re kinda cooked

[nocturne solstice]

Unless Rendi or anyone tells us what he actually did, im inclined to think its a bug

So Rendi just tell us what it is lmao

[obsidian venture]

Like eliop abused a pvp bug in bh and released a video the same day. But because he live-streamed it and jmod tuned in, he stopped and they insta patched it

Still was able to release a video after for views

[ashen yarrow]

Like rendi usually does the thing for months and then releases video after he has completed all his goals and it has been patched

[warm epoch]

Did Jagex ever roll back all the people that abused Nightmare not resetting her magic level?

[tender harness]

why would they

[warm epoch]

Because that was clearly a bug and widespread

[nocturne solstice]

This is what I mean about bringing up random comparisons man, let's just wait till we know what he did.

[ashen yarrow]

not all bugs results in rollbacks for accounts

[obsidian venture]

[nocturne solstice]

I don't even know this Nightmare bug and now I gotta go read a novel to find out what happened with that

[warm epoch]

It's a comparison to something that is definitely worse

[warm epoch]

Ayak spec perm lowered the magic level

[tender harness]

the nightmare bug wasnt even an issue
it made a dead piece of content bearable for cloggers

[obsidian venture]

Was able to ayak spec nm down. If someone stayed in the instance, it remained 0 def

[warm epoch]

You had a bunch of mass worlds with people in justi lmao

[obsidian venture]

Led to justi afk kills with ayak/shadow

[warm epoch]

Level 3 99 slayer isn't an issue either

[tender harness]

wrong but you do you

[warm epoch]

Just as wrong a take as you

[gaunt minnow]

So many strawmans

Leave the rule enforcement to jagex guys 👍🏼

[nocturne solstice]

That doesn't sound comparable to what Rendi did but also because I don't know what Rendi did (I will apparently need to repeat this till the end of time)

[warm epoch]

The nightmare thing impacted the game

[ashen yarrow]

like how do you know no one got punished for extensively abusing the nightmare bug

[warm epoch]

Rendi's thing, if we say it's a bug, impacted only him

[nocturne solstice]

No it impacted multiple people

In the twitter response Ayiza said a few users got rollbacked

Rendi was included in that few usesr

[tender harness]

there are thousands of bugs that impact the game literally daily
fucking levi death bug is still in and IIRC is even on doom

[warm epoch]

Impacted [only the people doing it]

[nocturne solstice]

is that... not expected? Only the people exploiting the bug should be punished

[warm epoch]

It had no impact on someone else

[ashen yarrow]

yes, multiple lvl3 accounts abusing the method rendi was using got rolled back. Mainly his friends who he shared it with based on his video

[warm epoch]

Which the nightmare bug did

[nocturne solstice]

Did you want everyone to suddenly have like 10m vanish because they were flipping nightmare loot?

[minor whale]

In the Ayak NM case it was literally worse drops/hr than doing just shitty pnm

[tender harness]

MFW guy whining about nightmare sounds like the guy who snitched on reddit

[warm epoch]

Only the people at nightmare

[minor whale]

It was overall not impactful because it was worse than already existing things for everything but pet

[ashen yarrow]

lvl3 account highscores is something players actually compete to get the 1st page in. So it had a lot of impact

[nocturne solstice]

Was the bug that it went to 0 or that it stayed at 0 if someone stayed in the instance?

[minor whale]

Rendi showed off a known existing method and several methods that weren't known, and people keep constantly claiming his "optimization" is what got him rolled back

[nocturne solstice]

or both

[tender harness]

it stayed at 0 so long as someone stayed in the room

[earnest vigil]

But render bug abused in several places to get 1 or 1 level 3 hi scores at bosses in the past and never punished

[gaunt minnow]

It also wasn’t completely afk and did require a decent amount of movement to stay alive

[minor whale]

Literally nobody knows what caused the rollback when it could be any shit he did on his known bug abuse account lol

[nocturne solstice]

Maybe I misunderstood but that doesn't sound like a big deal? If it's masses then it just saves everyone speccing once or twice with ayak?

[warm epoch]

Stayed at 0

[tender harness]

its literally not a big deal its select people making a mountain out of a mole hill

worse drops / hr out side of pet as stated already

[warm epoch]

It was a bigger deal than this

[warm epoch]

More drops/hr at nightmare than if the bug hadn't been there

[nocturne solstice]

The impression im getting here is that it really isn't a big deal.

[warm epoch]

Yeah, rendi's thing wasn't a big deal either, which is part of the point

[tender harness]

literally no. it was not

[warm epoch]

The nm thing was just bigger

[minor whale]

Less than just doing PNM or doing efficient normal NM 5 mans

It was only grinded out by pet hunters

[warm epoch]

Literally yes, are you saying people that went there would've normally went there too?

[dawn merlin]

how many people were doing nightmare before that bug lol

[minor whale]

Since you could afk it

[ashen yarrow]

more drops/hr for unskilled players

[warm epoch]

It was filled with people that didn't do nightmare

[nocturne solstice]

I don't know if its a big deal or not because we don't know what he did

[warm epoch]

So it is definitely more drops/hr in the game

[tender harness]

fairly sure Timmy there is the one who snitched on reddit about it anyways

[warm epoch]

Is it a shitty method? Yes. Were there more drops in the game? Yes

[warm epoch]

Don't be a clown lol

[tender harness]

dont be obtuse and post knowingly wrong statements

[warm epoch]

That all applies to you

[tender harness]

you're harping on a bug that had a net zero impact on the game

[minor whale]

No we must assume Jagex hates Rendi and take him at his word that it was not bug abuse but we also have to assume Jagex turns a blind eye to larger abuse (there's no difference at all in any of these scenarios they are all 100% identical)

[tender harness]

[warm epoch]

More of an impact than Rendi's thing, which is the point

[ashen yarrow]

nightmare bug did still have some impact, just not game breaking or resulting in highscore effect

people just try to find every single bug that they can compare when almost all bugs are different case by case and each player abusing does it to different extend

[warm epoch]

Imo I think there's a big difference if rendi went for level 99 or way over the 13m xp required

[ashen yarrow]

he went for 99 and then was planning on continuing to use it for his video goals

he just said he wasnt using it strictly for highscore ranks, just happened to end up on front page

[nocturne solstice]

I wonder though how the routine checks work since it does sound strange that if it's routine, they woulda caught him sooner cause he did it for 3 months right?

I'm thinking they get flagged for 99s and maybe Rendi had himself and a group of friends with low lvl accounts all get 99 slayer at the same time which triggered the checking program?

[warm epoch]

Looking at the accs that got rolled back, it doesn't seem like any hit 99 on Monday or before that

[nocturne solstice]

oh there's a list? that's helpful

are people comparing on WoM?

I try to avoid reddit but when I peek there it's just memes about Rendi without any useful info haha

[gaunt minnow]

Reddit avoider, smart

[ashen yarrow]

routine checks can mean thousands of different things. is it routine check on reports, xp gains, leaderboards, activity. routine check term also does not include how frequent they are

[nocturne solstice]

Fellow reddit avoider hell yeah

yeah fair enough

[gaunt minnow]

Routine check could be ‘every time rendi posts we check to make sure he’s not done something egregious’

[nocturne solstice]

I'm also a bit confused why Rendi is mad tbh... I know it sucks but he's a content creator.

He got the 99 cape, he got the footage, he can still post the video and make the youtuber money. He gets a bunch of free publicity with this drama though so there's that.

[ashen yarrow]

1000 players reported rendi the moment he posted and that was found in routine check

[warm epoch]

https://templeosrs.com/hiscores/skills.php?skill=slayer&build=lvl3

You can see the -

[spark folio]

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill there. What makes you think Jagex dislikes or cares enough to watch him specifically?

[earnest vigil]

At the end of the day, bugs are abused every day so many people, and considering there’s no reason to suspect level 3 bug abused harshly enough to warrant a rollback or ban, imo he shouldn’t have been rolledback

[warm epoch]

I gotta say though, when I looked at this earlier I must have been asleep, because those definitely went over 99

[gaunt minnow]

Really he’s lucky he hasn’t had a bunch of stuff rolled back considering most things they fix after he’s done it

[minor whale]

He should have just been outright banned

[warm epoch]

Iirc that's from chat logs that were posted once, and Rendi does have credibility there with internal memos that were verified to be real

[still sundial]

he is extremely proud of his 1 of 1 level 3 account, probably cares about the account fair a bit more than about youtube videos

[ashen yarrow]

even his access to morytania could be revoked

[gaunt minnow]

Should be yeah

[tender harness]

could? it should*

[minor whale]

Rendi the known liar who kept going on and on about how he wasn't responsible for game worlds going offline before admitting he did knock several worlds offline?

Why would we not trust this guy hmmmm

[spark folio]

Ok that's fair. I don't know the ins and outs of it all but surely they are gonna hawk over him for that long. At least no specifically him

[nocturne solstice]

Hmm that's fair then. I don't make unique accounts so maybe it's just a feeling I'd have trouble relating to.

[warm epoch]

At some point in his vids you see methods basically get live patched, Jagex would be stupid to not keep an eye on his account

[minor whale]

He can still get 99 slayer
He claims the bug "only" saved him 100-200 hours

[tender harness]

honest guys I didnt knock off game worlds - Rendi
also Rendi yeah that was me

[minor whale]

That's child's play for snowflake accounts

[nocturne solstice]

Cause in my mind its that he accomplished his goal and there's video footage of his accomplishment. You can't take away the evidence of his achievements.

But if the main thing is still "having" the special account then yeah I get being pissed off.

[warm epoch]

That was just a step in his bigger goal, which is to do boss CAs

[spark folio]

Ah so this isn't his first thing then? Known exploiter? If that's the case why is he allowed to keep his accounts at all imo

[ashen yarrow]

he planned on using the points he gained from 99 slayer to do a lot more slayer bossing videos and other stuff like that. untrimmed 99 slayer cape was just his current main priority

[warm epoch]

The same reason (I think) a bunch of other content creators get to skirt the rules, most things don't really impact the game

[nocturne solstice]

From what I've heard he's already lost a few. Just makes new ones.

[warm epoch]

But like looking at that temple list I posted, they definitely hit Rendi harder than the rest

Which is weird as well, right?

[gaunt minnow]

Because they’re pretty interesting videos and he’s obviously very passionate about the game

[spark folio]

Rules for thee and not for me type stuff then I guess

[gaunt minnow]

A lot of people really enjoy his videos

[warm epoch]

Some got to keep their slayer points, they all lost less xp than him

[nocturne solstice]

Had a peek looks like there's 4 of em with 3 getting to 11m+ xp so they probably got the 99 but templeOSRS didn't update.

ah shit i shoulda checked their combats

[gaunt minnow]

He has had. A lot of accounts banned and I guess in general does help jagex overall by shining a light on bugs

[warm epoch]

It's the level 3 hiscores

So if they have combat they're not on the list

[dawn merlin]

his whole acc is built off of bugs, everything on his acc nearly u cant achieve anymore so really he should've been banned, not sure why 99 slayer was the line

[nocturne solstice]

So multiple lvl 3 hit 99 at the same time

which i guess does look odd

[spark folio]

They're fine things to have. But not an excuse. If he weren't a creator but just an exploiter he'd be long gone

[minor whale]

He was chain banned years ago for literally taking several worlds down trying to perform a duplication glitch

[warm epoch]

Yeah, imo there they should've all had the same punishment

[gaunt minnow]

Yeah but obviously being a creator is a big benefit to jagex

[nocturne solstice]

They did right, rollback

[warm epoch]

Rendi got a rollback on points and more xp, the others kept their points and lost less xp

[spark folio]

Deserved then for that

[warm epoch]

To me that's not the same

[ashen yarrow]

multiple got 7-8m xp roll backs

[tender harness]

he literally is a w hiny bug abuser who just happens to also make youtube videos

[nocturne solstice]

Well they wouldnt have had the same slayer xp when they started so them losing less xp is kinda duh isnt it?

They'd have lost the xp they gained in that 3 month period. If Rendi got more xp in that period he'd lose more xp.

[minor whale]

He also cried when that happened saying 'No I definitely wasn't trying to perform a dupe I just took down 5 worlds with all my accounts in LMS a few times guys I promise it wasn't trying to dupe :('

And people still somehow just believe what he says, ever

[spark folio]

Then he needs to be removed, maybe that's a hot take or drastic but. Someone has to be an example

[tender harness]

people love twitter slop stories

[gaunt minnow]

Say what you like about him as a person but his videos are very popular and something different other than the 10th chunkman BS series

[minor whale]

Can't wait for him to make a video where he's dressed in a gold suit and smoking cigars talking about the Jagex Deep State and crying once again that he's unfairly targeted (well known bug abuser btw)

I remember when he said he was going to quit RuneScape over his account being banned

[tender harness]

he will
reddit will eat it up
people here will eat it up
and cry poor rendi

[nocturne solstice]

I mostly watch other youtubers haha

[minor whale]

That didn't last more than a week

[spark folio]

Tbf

[spark folio]

No one quits runescape

Only extended breaks

[nocturne solstice]

true

[warm epoch]

This is just an example, but if they were intended to be fully rolled back, that graph should go lower

That's not Rendi's acc btw

And then there's still the points thing

[nocturne solstice]

it seems to match the spike to me

[tender harness]

end of the day

[nocturne solstice]

Like there was the big uptick you can see and that could be them starting slayer training. Then you can see the straight line upwards.

Thats probably when they started exploiting the bug

[spark folio]

Looks like my pokemon card stock value

[gaunt minnow]

If anything it helps rendis villain arc so I don’t think he cares either

[warm epoch]

That first part is just as steep as later on

So they used this method from the start

[minor whale]

They removed the xp equivalent to the "unscrupulous" gain but left the normal rate of gain of you look at the graph

[warm epoch]

Then they should be at 60% of their current xp

[minor whale]

Not a full rollback of all XP but anything related to specifically the bug probably

[warm epoch]

Not at ~15% or whatever

[minor whale]

I'm going out on a limb and saying the boss slayer bug is what they're punishing for

[gaunt minnow]

None of us know what the method is so you guys are speculating out of your ass right now

[austere mulch]

Removing the slayer points is almost as bad as removing the xp tbh

[gaunt minnow]

You have no idea what point the bug abuse started

Regardless of rates

[austere mulch]

32k slayer points binned is crazy

[warm epoch]

We know the xp/hr of their method and we know the xp/hr of the previous meta

[ashen yarrow]

about same on all of them, after rollback they all have about 1m more xp than when they started going up fast in xp.

[minor whale]

Rendi also openly was trying to make things sound better than they were when in a reddit comment he actually says he was getting WAY higher rates

[tender harness]

slayer in general is a bad skill
slayer points are bad
if anything this should get jagex to nuke turael now

[gaunt minnow]

So the bug was purely an increase in xp?

Somehow

[ember token]

i mean realistically it wasnt even a bug

just a mechanic that they didnt intend

[nocturne solstice]

Did they reveal what it was yet?

[tender harness]

which is.... also what bugs are

[warm epoch]

Yeah, and part of the discussion is how much of it is actually a bug and how much was unintended mechanics that were mildly already used (partner slayer)

[minor whale]

So now it jumps from "Rendi only got 45k an hour" to "Rendi got 75-80k/hr" to "my 6 hour record was just under 70k/hr"

[warm epoch]

We know it's building on on the current slayer partner meta

[minor whale]

We don't though
There's several things he describes but doesn't show and one of them was him running into Scorpia and Callisto without doing damage and getting slayer XP by stalling on an alt

He claims it's because he "optimized" the known allowed methods

[warm epoch]

To me that's partner slayer

[vivid ruin]

Did bro break gagec

[ashen yarrow]

to be fair the old meta also could get higher burst than 30k if they saved points. Doesnt change that the method rendi used was consistent +50% more xp/h

[minor whale]

When it's entirely possible he did shit that isn't at all the normal allowed methods and is crying wolf

[nocturne solstice]

Ah, as usual the more they talk the more the story changes.

It's why I'm gunna wait till we find out everything before deciding on the whole thing.

[warm epoch]

He needs to be in the cave on the tick the bear dies, but that's just unintended partner slayer mechanics striking again

I'm excited to see rendi's full video on it tbh

[ember token]

uh, no lol, just because they didnt intend for something doesnt mean that it's the result of an error in the code

[austere mulch]

Nah he’s said that since the beginning from what I saw. The average across the training was 45-55k, but the peaks where points were stockpiled were higher

[warm epoch]

We should be able to see the average xp/hr from the temple logs anyway, but that's a true pain on mobile

[austere mulch]

It’s like if you had a perfect set of alts and block lists for nech- only slayer tasks for a few hours straight, your xp/hr burst in that period would be much higher than your avg

But obv that can’t be sustained

[warm epoch]

Effective xp/hr strikes again

[spark folio]

A lot of people use bug and exploit interchangably. It's not definitionally a bug but it is an exploit

[warm epoch]

We only count the ticks in where you get xp drops

[nocturne solstice]

From what I've seen the narrative was always "He was just getting 45-50k/hr" to justify no punishment or it not being a bit deal but now it's 70k/hr at the late stage.

I'm not so concerned with the xp difference but just the lying bit. If the story is gunna keep changing then Imma just wait 😅

[austere mulch]

One of the first tweets he mentioned having higher rates at the last bit due to having surplus points

[nocturne solstice]

I've mostly consumed details of the story on here so I havent seen his tweets. The image Pyro sent also doesn't look like a tweet to me.

[austere mulch]

Idr if he said how much higher

[nocturne solstice]

Looks like a discord message or something