game-update

[meager flame]

so i'd expect 1.5 to 2

[tiny moth]

it was rs3 leagues and we got gridmaster i think

[nocturne solstice]

that might've been it

[meager flame]

its been going on longer than that

they basically admitted once a year was maybe too often

a few years ago

maybe they changed their minds again though idk

[tender harness]

Probably listened to reddit again

[torpid jetty]

Echo Gauntlet doesn't seem to be regenerating runes for Staff users as described in the blog. Could it maybe expand upon what the intended behavior is? Thus far I'm not getting any mage levels from regenerating as expected, nor healing from a water rune (presuming it generates one)

[frigid goblet]

has any1 found a fix to use the drygore blowpipe

[restive storm]

6 months of pain

[meager flame]

more to come too

[ancient ember]

Can I also get what combat level u have and your slayer level?

[thorn heart]

slayer is 66 and combat is 102

[ancient ember]

Could you DM me your RSN too pls, and you're still having this issue right?

[hard axle]

Breaking the main game along the way - Banshees and Zulrah so far this League.

[thorn heart]

my RSN is Plum stoker and im still having the issue

[sturdy trench]

out of curiousity, because I couldn't find it mentioned anywhere. Do the patches today fix the issue where if you happen to spec during a blindbag proc it uses the blindbag weapon's special and equips that weapon?

[scenic quest]

Anyone else noticing less accuracy on crossbows?

[heady pagoda]

do echo bosses drop pets?

[velvet orchid]

I did echo sol for pet last league

[heady pagoda]

Thanks

[dire atlas]

Kill a frogeel in tower of life not able to be done.
Enter courthouse with piety on not able to be done. Womp womp maybe next update

[primal hinge]

Curious question regarding league tasks: Should all league tasks be able to be completed within their respective region without synergy with other regions? For example:
Medium achievement diary Fremmenik states an entry where you need to mine gold from the Arzinian mine but this mine is locked behind a quest Between a Rock... -> The conditions to start this quest are fishing contest and dwarf cannon which need asgarnia and kandarin unlocked besides fremmenik.

If so this diary piece is not completable for the fremmy region since you would need to unlock these three regions to complete the medium diary of Fremmy. Intentional or oversight?

[primal hinge]

Dunno if this is the correct channel to ask this

[somber summit]

I see someone else had the same issue but culling spree is def scuffed after update. Slayer masters not offering boss task and seemingly per master main game mobs, was using maz in mory to refresh barrows and now hes offering all low stuff like bats, dogs, banshees etc

[primal hinge]

Wildy achievement diary medium has smith golden helm completed by default so I assume Jagex made an oversight not autocompleting Arzinian gold mining entry in Fremmy?

[ancient ember]

To clarify this, thorns inflict melee damage, so if Echo Thermy is praying melee, prayer can stop the damage.

[wise bramble]

The issue is that the thorns don't trigger at all if no damage is taken from an attack.
If I stand and pray correctly it also doesn't show a 0 hitsplat from the attack which is probably why it doesn't get triggered. The attack just "vanishes" without any hitsplats.

[shut python]

isnt some tasks auto completed?

i remember completing 3 or 4 task in each tier of wildy diary

[primal hinge]

Ok, just logged in. It is autocompleted so I probably overlooked it that it wasn't.

[shut python]

nw it happens all the time

[wise bramble]

I can send a clip if that helps.

[manic star]

Is there any confirmation for submitted bug reports?

It feels like they are ignored after such long times without any hear back

[tender harness]

for leagues? bugs seemingly have priority over main game
for main game? bugs get fixed who the fuck knows when or if at all

[manic star]

it was submitted months ago, way before leagues

and then submitted another time with even more info (again much before leagues)

[tender harness]

probably not on their radar because leagues is taking priority for some abhorent reason

submit again and pray

[tacit wharf]

have to consider the impact of the bug and the ability to fix said bug

[manic star]

the bug has a pretty big impact, yet its ignored so idk

atleast in my in-game community

[tacit wharf]

so its tbow bush level impact???

[manic star]

Obviously not

[tender harness]

Ace cant read

[manic star]

thats like the top of the level..

[tender harness]

submit it again is the best TLDR

[tacit wharf]

^

[manic star]

but like i cant even see the original bug report

atleast let me access that so that i can give the same info

Putting time into a proper bug report just for it to drop into the abyss is not exactly motivating

Atleast a confirmation that its recieved and read gives me hope it will be fixed one day

But yeah ill stop it there, thanks for the info

[tender harness]

guess we wait for actual updates.
surely main game gets proper fixes right when leagues is done?

[manic star]

[minor spear]

What's the ToA leagues world again?

[minor whale]

This isn't an endorsement to reveal information but typically large impact bugs only get fixed if they start to actually impact the game

The Nightmare mass bug around for a while

Then people shared it

Patched next week

[tender harness]

Afaik the bug on levi is still in the game that literally kills you

[minor whale]

Yup

Because no game advantage

So they don't really care

[tender harness]

No but its a detriment to your character hardcore moment

[restive storm]

thats +1 new sub for a new hardcore

[tender harness]

Its not just Levi either

Iirc is or was on doom too

Literal game integrity bugs naw we leave or just ostrich theory it

[turbid elk]

anyone else notice weapon charges not regenerating properly? I'm gem crabbin with tent whip and it's losing a ton of charges

[safe tulip]

The leviathan teleport is not available on evil eye because it's "in the misthilin region" so its listed but permanently crossed out

[hard axle]

Those rats

For the first time in 1000 years, Mass NM was actually viable since it was all pet hunters lmao

[minor whale]

Tent Whip doesn't regen charges at all for some reason

[hard axle]

And then they hotfixed

like bruh

[solemn oar]

Since the update it doesnt let me pick a slayer task anymore. it gives me the menu with the 3 options, but clicking any of them does nothing

[radiant bane]

Nvm

[little kite]

Mine has been letting me pick task but I'm no longer getting the guaranteed boss task

[meager flame]

i still dont understand why they did this

i did pnm got my harm orb full inq/mace etc and im ngl that shit is terrible and not for most people lmao

idk why they immediately tried to put a stop to people doing some form of the nightmare and actually having fun

[timid widget]

I think the update message is reflecting world activities is backwards. For Example, W 659 is shown as a US East world via the chart. However in game, it is shown as a West world.

[true talon]

Goated update, i was 3 pact points from finsihing the sustain part of my build. now i can do proper bossing and camping without having to deal with the terrible teleport animation on every teleport.

[tender harness]

yes you do. like most things a reddit thread popped up

and they nerfed it

demonic digger
a 1400 total on reddit complained and got that removed

[scenic quest]

Minion loot value incorrectly valuing black axes way above what they are (still looting at set value of 20k). Highly annoying

[ember token]

think this happened in deadman too

[scenic quest]

Also happening with mithril plateskirts

[manic star]

sooo its safe to say ignoring bug reports is all too common from what I am hearing?

[stoic epoch]

the nerf to slayer has me so sad (leagues)

[tacit wharf]

like i said before, it depends on the impact of the bug and the time to fix said bug

if its low priority then yes, it could take a bit of time to fix

[manic star]

from what I understood on what others said, it seems to be less about impact and more about how many people report it. The NM mass bug seemed to be pretty high impact but was ignored until multiple people reported it

so I think your logic is incorrect unless its insanely high impact like tbow thing

[tacit wharf]

of the 2 above that ive seen (levi and doom) both affect a very small amount of the player base and have steps to avoid it from happening (basicall only affects hcim)

[manic star]

it would be nice if a mod could chime in, but we seem to be getting the same treatment our bug reports do :p

[tacit wharf]

or they might not have a fix for it atm (unsure of whats actually causing it/ man hours to find it, fix it)

i mean, its already 8:30 pm so no mod would be, if they could even speak about it

[manic star]

ah okay makes sense. Maybe I can bring this topic up again tomorrow during working hours, thanks

[tacit wharf]

honestly yr best bet would be reddit, not here

and hope that a jmod sees it or gains traction

[manic star]

it was posted on reddit and got alot of traction

and no jmod interaction

so yeah, radio silence in almost every avenue i have tried

[tacit wharf]

then either, working on it/dont have a fix/ low priority fix

[manic star]

hopefully the first

[tacit wharf]

is it an exploit or just, u cant do something

[manic star]

all the above

[tacit wharf]

ahh, wont ask further

[manic star]

afaik, if they are actively working on a bug fix, they communicate that in their blog posts right?

Or do some go under the radar until update

like at the top of the post they list currently known bugs and their status

[warm epoch]

they only do that if the bug is making the rounds or if a hotfix is impacting something

like with wyvern shields not being tradable

a lot of (hard to notice) bugs just get fixed in the background and get 1 tiny mention in an update blog

[mossy pendant]

For clarification the echo boss defense nerfs are only for their echo versions?

[warm epoch]

yes

[austere mulch]

Some get fixed and never get mentioned too

Poison weapons having 100% purple pop chance on p2 verz without needing a serp was an update that was never mentioned or acknowledged publicly but was updated silently and then noticed by a player

[visual lintel]

@ancient ember are they gonna make minnows work with endless harvest?

[tacit wharf]

do u really need eh to do yr 1k minnow task though

like 3 or 4 mins of a few clicks

go barb fish instead, then u can get agility xp too

[hard axle]

Something something too easy and then we have Nex masses dying in 40s

[meager flame]

i think they have a real problem with acknowledging when bugs actually make the game better lol

like the nightmare masses thing was a prime moment to realize maybe they should fix something but its so much better when people are actually playing the game and doing content so maybe they should intentionally allow it to work in a way to support those groups continuing to do the content

instead of just being like

i sense a disturbance in the force someone is having fun doing the nightmare lets immediately stop that

[hard axle]

We need to start documenting these bugs better ngl cuz I’ve forgotten most of them and they have good reason to shadow fix some of these

Like the buyable clog slots incident

[hard axle]

Masses SHOULD be easier and worse chance/hours for uniques, and it was.

Very well balanced overall.

Us NE cornerers were just chilling with BB

I feel like 200 magic and 600 mage defense is too high

[true talon]

Even with 5x rate i finished cerb faster in main game than leagues

[hard axle]

Yeah cuz ur a stinky ladle in the main game

[true talon]

I finally got a piece of ancestral before leagues

[hard axle]

[true talon]

Feard i might get a 3rd tbow before any

[meager flame]

i actually went to like 60% of the expected rate on the main game for cloth

on the league lmao

[true talon]

I got two callisto pets before hilt

think i did 387 artio and like 350 calisto lol

Glad i spooned the blade an ring of gods off vetion, because that boss with range sucks

[meager flame]

thank god you do like infinite damage in the league on doom because i was just doing like

hundreds of waves

[true talon]

I like the pact tree a lot

amazing stuff by the devs to design something similar to a poe tree

They shoulda done a pentultimate boss like a echo yama or something

like once you finish your 40 pact points and got all t8 you can fight echo yama

[junior sparrow]

ahrim's attacks are no longer triggering my thorns (i just have the 3 damage one from having a shield)

not sure if that's cuz i'm praying mage and it's not registering the hit somehow or what but that is something to note

ouch

oh thanks windows, that's 2 platebodys there

[tacit wharf]

do u have a shield on

[junior sparrow]

yeah

also good news!

got ahrim's staff now i deal more damage 😄

[nocturne solstice]

gz gz

[meager flame]

the only thing i'd really say that is bad about it is the tuning is definitely extremely bad but

im not sure if they actually had the time to finish

theres some capstones and stuff that have numbers that aren't remotely sane and it would be trolling to pick them bc i think someone ran out of time

it basically comes across like they actually worked on the magic end of things and got to crossbows and thorns and that was basically it

[true talon]

Well in poe there is capstones that require certain items/build paths to shine

and useless if you dont got it

i think the pact reset limitation kinda hurt the pact system.

i understand why its there, because if you had to respec before every content it would be annoying.

[meager flame]

ya it definitely does assuming it was balanced more so it was worth taking the other options

there were way too many different cool things to try compared to the number of pact resets

they also kinda sorta miscalculated and its why they buffed accuracy so heavily

its kinda weird if you giga invest in something and then it turns out you simply cant hit many bosses

when you have limited resets lol

[junior sparrow]

bruh

one full barrows task (plus a couple extra kills) and this is my loot

why do i ahve so many dupes?!

i'm like above drop rate too

but with so many dupes Q.Q

[nocturne solstice]

that do be barrows for ya

[junior sparrow]

hmm

well i now have a black demons task

so i took 200, but do i REALLY want to suffer through 200 demonic gorilla kills or am i gonna do tortured gorillas so i can afk mage them and just hope i get a lucky zenyte

how do y'all do demonics without comitting toaster bath?

it's been 5 kills and i'm depressed

[meager flame]

i mean if you play the thorns build with a powered staff i just pull 6 of them in the multi rooms together and kill them

[junior sparrow]

i have no powered staff

[meager flame]

rip

[junior sparrow]

i have just sadness

and water build

honestly i might just kill tortured and pray for the roughly 28% chance i get a zenyte over 200 kills

[meager flame]

but yeah you wanna kill them you get like a million points from demonics

i guess bc kandarin has no content so everything is mega points

its like 200 per crossbow two zenyte tasks and it scales up to 500 kc for the gorilla kc too

[junior sparrow]

they're just so aids.

Unless...

does non-shield based thorns count as typeless or is it still melee?

[meager flame]

i actually have no idea

[junior sparrow]

oof nvm i'd need 4 pacts anyways

[meager flame]

i'd just unlock all relics then work on all the pacts you can before you start really grinding anything

[junior sparrow]

idk how to even get more points without suffering ;-;

i do know i should be using a crossbow instead of melee for my switch on these so my thorns can keep chipping away tho

[meager flame]

thats what the minion is for

[junior sparrow]

i think i can smith runite limbs

but i don't think i can fletch

[meager flame]

he just does big aoe damage and changes their prayers constantly

[junior sparrow]

yeah i need to get minion but i'm only t6

[meager flame]

so you dont even use switches

[junior sparrow]

sigh guess i'll go farm points

time to filter by % completed and start working my wya down

now i need to go burn some meat i guess

[blissful topaz]

Left click bone bury option on ground objects (bones). Like in the recently added new boss "Brutus". Would be a good QoL update for every players, beginners to professionals.

[graceful jungle]

It’s what keeps u coming back for more

Will this be the run?? 🤣

Then u log off and go maybe tomorrow..

[manic star]

So, now that it is working hours... Are there any mods online to shed light into how in game bug reports actually work?

[manic star]

https://tenor.com/view/cricket-chirps-gif-3571435

[severe escarp]

I feel like leechfin fishing getting the perilous moons method is a bad idea lol

Perilous moons fishing doesn't really feel good imo

[weary stag]

If they bend the knee anymore it's gonna just be blood vial fishing that offers 1m p/hour xp lmao

[minor spear]

guys

what is the ToA Leagues world?

[strange spruce]

They mentioned that theyll be improving perilous moons fishing together with this update, i think it was during the winter summit?

[weary stag]

Tob loot gonna feel even worse if blood vials drop in price, only vials and rune ore are currently 500k reward..
Mixed with the glaring problem of tob purples prices finding a new record bottoms every day, yikes

[severe escarp]

I hope that's the case

If they'll improve it then i'm fine with the new fishing method 🙂

[weary stag]

Raids 4 armour gonna need buffing by justi plates or something xD

A new fishing method sounds good, hopefully it feels immensely better than moons fishing haha

I completely agree with you on that

Get rid of the fishing idea, make it a vial that you're catching clots in from a river of blood xD

[hard axle]

useless rewards for some of us

I still want the melee healing edible fish ngl

Or a better version of moonlight antelope or anglerfish

[weary stag]

Yeah I was kinda interested to see if there was some funky tick eats you could do with that food

[obsidian venture]

Really don’t think there’s any need for different sources for vials of blood

Sustaining them is the easy part

Bigger “chokehold” for irons are the blood runes

[hard axle]

I feel like if you’re going to go to give 120-130k an hour, it should be 90 fishing, not 70s

Tempoross is only 90-100k at 90 fishing

[restive siren]

Yeah but temp isnt high Intensity and has other valuable rewards

I like the new proposal

[hard axle]

what is high intensity even xd

Giants Foundry ain’t

Perilous Moons fishing isn’t?

Deep Sea Trawling kinda is if u spam

[south void]

They equated it akin to 3t barb fishing if I read the blog correctly

[weary stag]

Oh barb fishing gets even sweatier than just 3t, there's cut-eat tech that is crazy sweaty xD

[restive siren]

Sepulcher, tick manip, barracuda trials, something like that ig

[weary stag]

I might be being pedantic tho

I'm not sure who is desperate to keep barb fishing as the meta tho

Ehp chasers?

Both of them.. XD

I guess it's power creep, in some form

[strange spruce]

Found it: https://youtu.be/ieQoGqPckrE?t=3337

[weary stag]

That's recent enough for them to not have totally forgotten about it yet xD

[south void]

TL;DR: https://osrs.game/Leechfin-Fishing

Leechfin needs to be top-tier XP and include Blood vials now.

New plan splits it into two playstyles:

XP-focused: ~120–130k XP/hr, competitive with (or better than) current top methods like 3-tick Barbarian.

Blood vial-focused: ~90k XP/hr + ~5–10 tradeable Blood vials/hr.

High intensity, similar to Perilous Moons fishing, no tick manipulation required.

Will be re-polled with these updates.

[obsidian venture]

Def don’t want to bring up tick manip again. Had to read a kank chatter argue it’s not skillful

I’m sure they’re able to make a high intensity method that doesn’t involve that

But Billybobs would cry anyway

[hard axle]

I dislike killing methods off entirely just because. Same thing for powercreeping gear or adding “middle ground” that are 90-110% of the upgrade.

Instead, you can make it still meta from 30-75, 30-80, whatever and then make a new method better at 90+.

[weary stag]

Good point, I agree

[obsidian venture]

Any modicum of clicking more shatters their wrists 😂

[hard axle]

It’s like how salvaging is better until Gwenith Glide.

which I still think it’s lame that there’s no 90+ course

[dawn jackal]

barb fishing isn't meta anyway is the good news

120k fishing / hr for dipping net in river is ridiculous

[hard axle]

I want more unique foods

[shell fossil]

So the suggestion is a high effort fishing activity with the same exp rates as 2tick swordfish. well how dose that help us...

Not every skill needs to be "power creeped" but in this day and age, not having highly active methods that cant reach 200k or not even 150k is kinda poo imo. I would go so far as to say, out of all the skills and methods for them that we currently have fishing is the worst one to train and do need a good (but highly active) exp training method

[bronze kernel]

The 3-tick barb fishing and lava runes have to be the meta forever (Someone probably)

[obsidian venture]

Well in regards to Jagex, they’d like lava rc to be near or on the top

Not opposed to higher xp methods but it needs to be skillful to some degree

If there’s another engaging way then by all means

[bronze kernel]

We did have a brief period of Sunfire Runes being BiS for RC with runners especially

But they nerfed that

[obsidian venture]

Well aethers are pretty high xp wise iirc

[shell fossil]

they had the forsight to add the cloth for when mining the ores at yama to allowe and suggest tick manipulating, do the same here

[obsidian venture]

Currently

[shell fossil]

rather then having us trying to figure out a 2/3 tick system, give us a 2 and/or 3 tick method to reach greater hights for way higher efforts 🤷‍♂️

[bronze kernel]

We need something like Jim's cloth outside of the mine.

[shell fossil]

for sure

Wise old mans cube when?

[bronze kernel]

But that's a taboo and no-no according to the people of EPH

[shell fossil]

smh in dissbelief some times

like not everyskill needs to have a 300-400k exp/h method but fishing is so bad atm it's sadge so so sadge

[dawn jackal]

yea let's have every skill be the same thing

every skill needs a 300k xp / hr mini game

[shell fossil]

it already is

click rock and wait

click tree and wait

click fish and wait

click monster and wait

[dawn jackal]

if that is how you feel then i suppose there's not much point discussing anything

[shell fossil]

you literally said the opposit here of what i said earlier xd

[south void]

Me explaining to my wife what OSRS is and why she should play it with me lol.

[dawn jackal]

fishing has 5 different top end methods with pros and cons to each as is

there's no reason to send in 120k / hr net fishing

[shell fossil]

define top end please

so we are on the same page

[dawn jackal]

reasonable methods for getting 99 or post 99 exp i suppose

[south void]

"Top end for that specific skill when not compared to other skills"

[shell fossil]

to me that takes every skill into consideration and methods to them

as i said, not every method neeeds 300-400k methods

[dawn jackal]

drift net - most efficient
2t - best fishing xp
tempoross - lower effort mini game + clogs
barb fishing - mobile friendly mostly afk

[shell fossil]

but 120k top end for 2 ticking currently is imo very outdated method that needs a facelift

[dawn jackal]

kinda forgot my 5th but you can invent one

[south void]

Maybe some folks like clicking left and right for 120k/hr xp like the Moons Fishing method, why deprive them.

[dawn jackal]

the sailing one is decent money there you go

[shell fossil]

a 2 tick 170-200k more then fine considering the effort needed for it for example

[dawn jackal]

crazy take

[shell fossil]

thank you

[dawn jackal]

who would a 200k xp / hr 2t method benefit

[obsidian venture]

Assuming you’d want that, Jagex would then have to make this method lvl 90+ to even start it

[dawn jackal]

it would benefit absolutely no one

[shell fossil]

anyone who wanna play activly for better exp rates

[dawn jackal]

the people who want to skill actively aren't wanting fortnite rates

[obsidian venture]

Well it’d benefit folks that want xp

But it’s also a crazy jump from the top end rates we have

[shell fossil]

so just to play with the idea

[dawn jackal]

and 99% of people will click pond and sit on hand anyway

[spark folio]

True. So it should be balanced around the 99%

[shell fossil]

would you be happy if they reduced the exp rate of every other skill down to 100-150k? for the most effort methods?

[obsidian venture]

At least 95% want barely any interaction

[dawn jackal]

no, skills need diversity

[obsidian venture]

But Jagex doesn’t want an afk method to beat out the intensity methods

[dawn jackal]

it's a very key concept to making things feel rewarding and differentiated in the game

[shell fossil]

yes, i aggre to that

[obsidian venture]

So if something needs to be in the top end, it has to satisfy Jagex + the top 5%

[dawn jackal]

con being 1.4m / hr and agi being 105k is totally fine

[obsidian venture]

In regards to fishing

[shell fossil]

but skills like fishings high end is so far away from sooo many other skills mid/low end

[dawn jackal]

it's great actually

[obsidian venture]

If there was a method that was to boast upwards of 175k, it’d have to have movement and a mix of tick manip if we are spitballing

[dawn jackal]

the issue i have with seeing 120k xp / hr for net in water is it just invalidates all the other methods

why try hard for 7% better rates

no one's gonna do it

look at salvaging

[obsidian venture]

Are you saying net in water as click once and let go? Just to understand

[shell fossil]

that's more then fine in my eyes

[dawn jackal]

whatever the moons fishing is

that's the comp the blog used

[obsidian venture]

I see

[spark folio]

You gotta be a bit active for moons fishing

[shell fossil]

never asked for a 30min afk 500k/h method

[spark folio]

Not super intense but you have to do it yourself

[obsidian venture]

And what’s the xp/hr from that

[dawn jackal]

i mean you click net in water click fish barrel (or drop) click net in water tele to bank tele back repeat right

it's not super active

compared to the alternatives of drift net or 2t fishing to get those high end rates

[spark folio]

You have to move your net tiles to face the fish, it's not one spot it's 3

Sure it's not intense

But it is active participation

[obsidian venture]

What are the rates

That would answer most questions rn

[spark folio]

I can't actually find any logged rates on the wiki for it

[dawn jackal]

the blog said 120-130k for the leech fishing proposal i believe

"We were not clear enough about our XP intentions for Leechfin fishing, so we want to better explain what we were aiming for here. This was always intended to go much further than methods like Tempoross in terms of XP, with max-effort play likely landing somewhere in the region of 120 - 130k XP per hour."

i understand it's hard for devs to place skilling content in and i'm not opposed to the top end rates going up in places where it might make sense. for example i think there's space in the game for something to be like 550k smithing xp / hr who really cares

[spark folio]

What's the difference between smithing and fishing at such high xp rates?

Tick manip?

[dawn jackal]

smithing doesn't have as fleshed out methods as fishing

fishing has 4 or 5 top end methods with very clear trade offs already

smithing has like 2.5

and if you introduce a lower effort method that gets you 90% of the way to the more active methods you just kill the active methods on the spot

[spark folio]

I suppose that's true

But everything gets powercrept eventually too in games like this

[dawn jackal]

i feel like tick manipulation is the is false boogeyman too

not a lot of top end skilling methods are knife log anymore

[spark folio]

Mining and fishing maybe, that's it

[dawn jackal]

wc and hunter and that's all

except fishing and hunter are both gobbled up by drift net anyway

oh construction! forgot about that one too

anyway i'm not blind to the need for power creep and i can respect the tough position the designers are in with new skilling content

if something like marlin fishing was 145k fishing xp / hr i would be much more alligned to that than net in water fishing

[chrome lantern]

If it’s just going to be Moons fishing then honestly I’m super disappointed.

Like sure it’s more active but it’s not interesting or engaging in any way and at that point I’d much rather 2t harpoon or 3t if I’m going to be putting in that much effort/attention

[tough nacelle]

Moons fishing is pretty doodoo

I’d definitely rather 3t

Moons fishing feels buggy

I really hope it isn’t a copy paste

[chrome lantern]

Really wish trawling:
-Was an actually viable training method
-Had an active engagement method that wasn’t literally spam clicking every tick of your feeble existence

At the very least, they could’ve made it so that some of the garbage low-tier trawls like krill would be higher xp/hr since they give food that are just super duper high burn rates and worse healing than easier-to-get alternatives

Even if they wanted to keep stuff like bluefin/marlin/halibut at lower xp/hr due to the reward of the fish itself

But again either way the spam click trawling method is an abomination

[livid wing]

Bro just release the quest I am sick of pollscape

[tender harness]

they arent releasing anything major till after leagues

leagues just makes the main game so much worse because no content

[austere mulch]

Fishing hasn’t been 3t meta in years anyways. 2t is both less apm and more xp for fishing

Not a knife or log in sight

WC has 1.5t teaks though, otherwise it’d also be 2t meta

Sailing not bringing a bis fishing xp method, integrated with sailing, is a huge bust

[tender harness]

fishing in general is such a bust
because its balanced with GP/HR in mind but the content is botted to shit so the GP goes to shit
leaving people with bad exp rates

outside of 2t

or 3t

[dawn jackal]

Wc is a good example as well, the fact that redwoods / ironwoods exist invaldiates the whole skill largely anyway

[tender harness]

WC doesnt have the same problem as fishing though

[dawn jackal]

what would you define the problem fishing has as

[tender harness]

?? I literally just said it?

because its balanced with GP/HR in mind but the content is botted to shit so the GP goes to shit
you end up leaving people with bad exp rates outside of 2t or 3t
because you design something for GP/HR but the methods are so laughably easy its literally a floor for bots to get in and ruin for players

[dawn jackal]

isnt marlin fishing somewhat juiced for gp

[tender harness]

like 2.9m an hour

[dawn jackal]

i'd say thats very good for a skilling method

[tender harness]

for less effort you can make the same amount with double nats

or sunfire runes and make more

[dawn jackal]

you don't really get fishing xp making nature runes though

[frozen lion]

Quick question about leechfin fishing: Will this activity also drop clue scrolls?

[tender harness]

2.9m an hour also assumes the catch rate of 450 fish an hour

[manic star]

the same one that has game breaking bugs 😭

but hey leeches are more important I guess...

[quartz cradle]

Be kool if they update guardians of the rift abit

[tacit wharf]

are peril of moon chests buffed drop rate?

[true talon]

Blood moon rises after leauges though.

[tender harness]

sure. but BMR was pushed to summer

leeches are in such a weird spot. and by them making leeches good exp it now kind of rubs salt in the fact they fucked sailing

[austere mulch]

Isn’t the sweep up coming first?

[tender harness]

BMR is like at somepoint during the summer

same as sweep up

that road map

[tacit wharf]

bmr after allstars, so july-august

im sure the sweep up will be sprinkled in during allstars and the stuff coming out the rest of summer/early fall

[tender harness]

oh cant forget sailing updates
wait it was combat fixes
wait they fucked that up
wait they pitched something else
and havent heard anything on that since

[true talon]

We havnt even heard what they sweeping up

[tacit wharf]

there was 1 thing

[austere mulch]

Yeah that’s bout how I imagine it’ll go. Allstars / sweepup around the same time > BMR in July/August

[true talon]

Hopefully it’s less scrolls in CMs

[tender harness]

maybe they actually bring the culling perk from leagues to main game to make slayer not a dog shit skill

[tacit wharf]

swear they mentioned arieal fishing being in it

[austere mulch]

Watch them say they delayed it to August because of the leechfin issue 😂😂

[true talon]

Can’t have a leechfin issue if we vote down the leechfins

[tacit wharf]

i mean thats just end of development changes, so pretty quick

[tender harness]

dont worry sailing road map is sure looking better

boat combat in shambles

[true talon]

Shooting sea monsters with a shadow while on my boat behind rocks is intended

[meager flame]

They talked about when they wanted to do the blog so they either shuffled content or they expected to ride the definition of summer as far as possible lol

They didn’t confirm either way but I think they may have accidentally given a time frame for a blog that confirmed it’s all as late as can be lol

It was essentially like leagues end and then they start putting out blogs for the sweep up and if that’s before the quest then you know the quest is basically August

Or later

The bright side is that could also imply the quest and sweep up switched places

[grand eagle]

I’m having an issue with the OSRS iPhone client.

I logged into another account and now when I try to log out and log back into my main account it just automatically logs into the one I don’t want to play.

I’ve tried reinstalling the app and turning phone off and on.

Can someone please help.

[ember token]

#support-centre #1391372405066301550

[fossil crown]

Anyone know if the issue with The Knight sword quest for the Falador Easy Diary is on the know issues list. Looked and dont see it

[fierce otter]

Did those undtradeable items lost mechanic changes ever come in that update they talked about?

[ashen yarrow]

smith blurite limbs is auto completed

[junior sparrow]

is barbarian fishing at the grotto my fastest XP method with endless harvest + hotfoot?

[nocturne solstice]

probably

[junior sparrow]

do the fish still auto-cook?

[nocturne solstice]

barb fish dont get cooked, iirc they get cut for you

[junior sparrow]

that's...

i think fly fishing is better then

cuz the xp is shit iirc for cutting

[nocturne solstice]

it does not cook or cut

so yeah no cookign xp for you

[junior sparrow]

guess i'm gonna afk till i get dced while i walk the dog at the fly fishing

i'm gonna need to buy more feathers 😛

[blissful topaz]

Left click bone bury option (ground object) would be a great addition to the game, as it was introduced in the new player Jagex blog post. It should be a toggeable option.

[nocturne solstice]

Strong no from me on that one

wait are you just spamming that in this channel? what the heck man don't do that

[restive siren]

hes been spamming that for months now

[nocturne solstice]

I'll consider that my formal warning to him, if he does it again ping me and then no more warnings

[restive siren]

yessir

[nocturne solstice]

[blissful topaz]

what is considered non spam

[nocturne solstice]

Not saying the same message over and over and over and over again

Just make a game suggestion thread for it and bump it once a week instead of spaming the same message here every other day

We do already have a thread on that idea though so you could just bump that one
https://discordapp.com/channels/324132423636090880/1471887382046310451

heck you already did bump it before

[tacit wharf]

also, just remember yr only allowed to bump a thread once a week

[blissful topaz]

i cant see this

[tacit wharf]

click it

[blissful topaz]

nevermind

[nocturne solstice]

check your discord settings

[blissful topaz]

it said unkown but now visible

ty info

[nocturne solstice]

👍

[blissful topaz]

i bump it

i didnt know i wasnt able to do that here sorry

[nocturne solstice]

All good, now you know 👍

[vivid ruin]

I thought that dude was warned already lol

[brisk hill]

off hank bro

[dire mango]

no, hank needs to be buried

[young cypress]

Has anyone else noticed 0 larrans keys drops from Callisto but plenty from Artio when on task? (in leagues VI)

[pliant coral]

The canoe system in ardy doesn’t work in leagues btw, says you need access to misthalin

[chrome lantern]

It’s ok those canoes are useless anyway

[frozen lion]

ok

[south void]

Finally got to the yes/no vote for leech fin fishing, woohoo.

[frozen lion]

of course no, no ez mode for irons

and no clog meh

[tender harness]

this question pisses me off because this is literally what trawling could have been with sailing
and the problem is people will either vote it no and then Jagex will do quite literally nothing with leechfin
or vote yes, this then comes in underbaked botted to high hell and then its back to the same problems with fishing. methods being designed for GP/HR that fail because of how bottable they are so they have abysmal rates

[frozen lion]

they said it would be 10 vials maybe top per hour

which is garbage gp/hr

[restive siren]

its a high exp fishing method wdym abysmal rates

[south void]

TL;DR: https://osrs.game/Leechfin-Fishing

Leechfin needs to be top-tier XP and include Blood vials now.

New plan splits it into two playstyles:
XP-focused: ~120–130k XP/hr, competitive with (or better than) current top methods like 3-tick Barbarian.

Blood vial-focused: ~90k XP/hr + ~5–10 tradeable Blood vials/hr.

High intensity, similar to Perilous Moons fishing, no tick manipulation required.

Will be re-polled with these updates.

[restive siren]

the blood vial thing isnt a moneymaker, its for irons who dont wanna do tob and seems pretty terrible, people just have been screeching for blood vials from vampyrium for months

[frozen lion]

it would not be ever botted, at most afked to hell if it was afk design like infested roots

still they could do something cooler than just a micro source for blood vials

maybe rare attachment to some weapon that can actually fill while hitting

for passive vials while using it

[south void]

A mosquito proboscis blood extractor attachment
And an empty vial generator

[frozen lion]

could be temporary attachment like tentacle to whip

resulting in huge leechfin that can be extracted for several vials

would be cool if at least vials were gained by extracting leechfins with chance for huge leechfin or something of the sort which could be clog

[meager flame]

tbh i think they're just trying to put it in the game because they worked on it

i dont honestly think it really matters

i kinda think exp only methods are almost the worst content in the game just because you actually do have a like

finite amount of useful exp in any skill and if you really participate you're going to hit that point and now that content and any future exp related content for that skill is permanently useless

[frozen lion]

if there isn't a single clog from it, i won't even touch the content

[viral kestrel]

Any idea when the recent QOL updates will go live, specifically the change from 3 to 1 nightshade for PD?

[umbral coral]

yes give me more polls on leechfin fishing leechfin fishing leechfin fishing

more blogs on leechfin fishing

[south void]

Polls closed April 16th, so it's anyone's guess when they will implement the updates for the QOL stuff.

#game-news message

AKA: Wait for another update post

[umbral coral]

leagues vii: leechfin pacts

[graceful agate]

this is getting a bit too close to RS3 invention - but yeah, Leechfin is in that awkward design space now where the initial pitch failed, but they don't have time for a full ideation process again (and don't want another Doom rewards scenario) - but we also don't want them to just pull the content entirely

tbh the leechfin sandwich was an absolutely fine reward - niche, but great in that niche - unfortunately the reddit hate train has gotten us here again x)

[meager flame]

tbh im glad it failed because i just dont want to gather and use a bunch of random niche food to simply accomplish what food already does

bottom line is it would've just extended the amount of time i was gathering supplies and preparing them for no meaningful difference other than having more raw healing depending on the situation

if there were some real gameplay upsides and it were actually interesting maybe i would've felt differently but realistically it was just going to be additional chores

[tacit wharf]

yr making sound like you HAVE to do it, but in reality u dont, its just an option

was an option*

[meager flame]

no they design the content they make around how the game actually works

in the future you would've been expected to have them

[dim fiber]

I want to stick a leech to a vampire

Millions of leeches, leeches for free

[livid wing]

I just want the quest to come out at this point

Idc about fucking leech fishing

[dim fiber]

Yeah... Or biting the head off a vampire bat

Oh wait eating bats will make a plague

[livid wing]

Makes me hate pollscape bc people get hyper fixated on this stupid random little thing and delay exciting content it is attached to

[meager flame]

tbf the polls didnt delay the quest

[dim fiber]

I think the quest is slated for summer

[meager flame]

thats just jagex mismanaging time as usual lol or at the very least giving way too hopeful timelines early

yeah it was originally supposed to have already been out though

the first time they talked about it

[dim fiber]

[meager flame]

thats pretty normal though a lot of the time they put things towards the end of roadmaps it slides back somewhat

idk what people are going to say if the raid gets delayed

its not gonna be good though lol

[dim fiber]

Yeah that's pretty par for the course for any games these days

[gritty frigate]

Wow another week of no updates and just some leech fin rubbish 😑

[ember token]

well yeah its leagues

which means basically no updates until its over

[chrome lantern]

My biggest disappointment by far about leechfin fishing is that they said it will be similar to fishing in Neypotzli (Moons dungeon) which just sounds unfun to engage with for any prolonged period lmao

[south void]

"Click left, Click Right, Click Middle" wooooooooooo

[chrome lantern]

“Engaging”

[dim fiber]

I've seen a mostly negative reception of it so I'm hopeful that carries over to the poll

[minor whale]

It's Monday
Updates are Wednesday
There might possibly be some qol stuff coming from the last poll, but during leagues main game always takes a back seat.

[meager flame]

i mean im not too worried about it at this point

if it releases in the current state its safely completely irrelevant unless you're some 200m fishing nerd so its pretty much gone

would rather it just be over than to see further blogs lol

who knows maybe it'll even be entertaining for people who actually want fishing exp

tbh i think the biggest problem with it is a way bigger problem than a new fishing method

its that if you stop and ask yourself why someone would be in the market just to get fishing exp to begin with you realize that there almost isn't even a reason to be looking for fishing exp lol

so exp only content for fishing is kind of nuts in that light but thats a way bigger game problem

seems like fishing should really be more in the market for a rewards driven experience where you want the fishing level so you can loot the good stuff whatever it is

so people would have a reason to want to have that fishing level lol

[true talon]

Sailing fishing should be improved. The issue with current fishing is that you don really gain anything by higher fishing, since all the good fish already drop from pvm.

Like in leauges I picked regions with bosses who drop food like wilderness over actually fishing hard food.

[severe escarp]

Sounds like mixology lolol

[meager flame]

yeah if you think about it realistically if you're a normal account

fishing is useless

if you're an ironman you pretty much just need the fishing level for karambwans and fishing exp loses all meaning from that moment forward outside of equipping your max cape

since you'll just automatically pick up any further levels for like maybe anglers or whatever in the future by just supplying yourself with the basic karambwans

they've really got a wide open insanely huge lane to give people something interesting from fishing that they can have as a goal for leveling up the skill

a lot of the older skills are like that now

[severe escarp]

they should've just made trawling give high xp and fish

since it's so much more intense than regular fishing

idk why fishing xp is pretty bad here

[chrome lantern]

They also should get rid of the spamclick method at trawling

It's probably either completely unintentional or it's supposed to be the "tick manipulation" of trawling and I don't know which concept is more disgusting

That they would intentionally create a method to literally be clicking every tick or that the intended rates were actually as low as they are without spam clicking

[severe escarp]

it doesn't sound intentional

[meager flame]

the only good thing imo is that they're willing to challenge what they best exp method is for a skill

they usually pretend thats not possible

its just an unfortunate skill choice since theres no reason to care about the exp to begin with

[severe escarp]

i just think they should stick to the philosophy of high intensity = more rewards

more rewards in general, not just more fish but bad xp rates

or vice versa

leechfin fishing should give more vials of blood if you decide to choose the intensive route with it

[true talon]

Thats all gathering skills in general, because in the past they tried to make skilling profitable, but all skilling did was attract bots.

then once ironman came out, they were like well shit, this is terrible for a player to do and slammed resources on all boss tables lol.

[woeful hazel]

Any idea if we will receive updates during leagues ? No offense don’t really care for the temp mode and feel 2 months of it just eat game updates that are paid for… or should I just start canceling before leagues ?

[tacit wharf]

?

we only havent had an update the week before leagues and this last week was for leauge bug fixes

should get some qol wed

[woeful hazel]

My point is in the next 2 months will we see any updates ?

[tacit wharf]

yes

we get main game updates during leagues

[woeful hazel]

What are they ?

[tacit wharf]

what are any updates before we know them

[woeful hazel]

Cause road map shows new mortaniya quest which is good but not till summer

I mean I would hope quest backports , new quest new content in general ?

[tacit wharf]

unless its a major update, most updates arent known before hand

[woeful hazel]

So probably nothing is what I should assume correct ?

[tacit wharf]

we'll see on wed

unless a jmod has stated something otherwise

[nocturne solstice]

We get weekly updates every wednesday. Usually it's small things that were recently polled like QoL, buffs, nerfs, fixes, etc.

The roadmap has the major updates.

[ember token]

yes, there most likely wont be any significant updates during leagues

[quartz anchor]

I'm fine with not having anymore backport quests tbh

[austere mulch]

Rs3 has great quests fwiw

[quartz anchor]

I"m still fine w/ orginal content

[austere mulch]

Yeah but we’re bound to get some content quest wise from rs3 since there is a substantial amount of shared lore

[quartz anchor]

I woudln't care about taking the story, as long as they make it original to osrs. kind of like arraxor

[austere mulch]

Similar to how they also got content from osrs

But in a different form (Zuk)

[quartz anchor]

we can acquire lore and bosses w/o a backport

[austere mulch]

Sure can, and do, but there’s nothing wrong with a mix of both

[quartz anchor]

the current backport quests very obviously stick out and feel very odd compared to the rest of the game

which is why I'd prefer originally created content with the current team, and taking only story

[austere mulch]

Yeah I think the bottom line really is that the content needs to be fun, regardless of where the inspiration is sourced

[cloud rain]

luck to get any real updates

need to backport some nice quests like temple at senntisten and the light within

[ember token]

lol

thats funny because they cant backport temple at senntisten

considering the events of Desert Treasure 2

[hard axle]

Backported content ends up being dull as shit

And problematic

People like the idea, but the clumsiness out older quests often draws complaints

[obsidian venture]

Surely they can path another route without using backports

[chrome lantern]

Please

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah pass on the backports plz

I wonder if they're a bit too worried about player expectations which is why we don't get sequel quests for like... low tier quests

Like Elemental workshop for example, could just chuck an intern on that

[meager flame]

tbh i dont really think theres anything particularly wrong with backported quests as long as they're treated with the appropriate priority

like

if its a smaller update and they can fit one in thats fine i think the only problems arise when they try to do them but then turn it into a big deal where they're making changes and end up releasing something like wgs

where they kinda missed the current standards and also messed up a lot of stuff about the original quest in the process getting the worst of both worlds basically

i think when they want to do that they should just entirely reinvent the quest

the reason i think its not a big deal though if they do like a as close to 1:1 remake as they could is that we all play quests at that standard all the time when we make new accounts or whatever

like i've never been doing rum deal and sat there thinking this is so old and below standard lol

its really all about the expectations

[restive siren]

thank god we get another 3 pings for weekly scheduled maintenance that happens at the same time every week

really would have missed that otherwise

[meager flame]

it is a little crazy that the last two messages in the game new channel are the same one lol

[nocturne solstice]

And yet I am almost certain people will miss it and chat will be flooded with "game down??"

[meager flame]

yeah they're not possible to help though

you cant do anything for people who dont read

they could rename the discord and put up banners everywhere saying the game is going down for a certain amount of time on a certain date and they'd still sprint into the discord to complain like they didnt know lol

[nocturne solstice]

i do wonder how people miss the yellow timer in game tbh

[restive siren]

almost as if half the server has the channel muted because 90% of its content is useless spam

ohwell

[meager flame]

i dont even think its that theres just like

[nocturne solstice]

You are free to mute or follow whichever channels you find relevant to you

[meager flame]

a huge section of players that are so disconnected and unwilling to read or engage anywhere for any reason

that somehow also never realized the game goes down on the same day all the time

[nocturne solstice]

I do hear your frustrations though... gunna take a note of it, maybe see if I can change things idk

[meager flame]

and then they just run in complaining or asking like theres a problem

i do think its interesting how downtime has like substantially increased over time though

like its obv them doing server maintenance or upgrading things on the backend or whatever but like

i remember when the servers used to run so long without a reset the game broke

lol

[nocturne solstice]

i blame AWS

Since they moved some servers there

I wonder if AWS has like weekly updates or something so thats why

[meager flame]

yeah maybe

[restive siren]

eh thats like saying to not criticise the game because you can just play another game, i want to read the channel for actual updates so its unfortunate its so spam ridden

[restive siren]

there have been multiple threads in #1022203933600514138 about this, for example like idk maybe 1 ping instead of 3 pings for the weekly scheduled maintenance? Or to add another role for leagues and dmm news so people dont get spammed. Or to add a new role for just maintenance related updates

all have been shut down by jmods so 🤷‍♂️

and the threads had major support fwiw

its unfortunate

[meager flame]

i mean realistically theres already a server status channel separate

[restive siren]

exactly

[meager flame]

idk why it gets pushed into the others too

ideally it wouldn't even be in discord really to begin with or at least wouldn't be like a big deal

because their launcher really should be what delivers news/information like that

and it does

it just needs to basically be a requirement and to get some upgrades so it can really be the hub that delivers all of the news people would care about to everyone that plays the game

since it would reach every single person

[nocturne solstice]

To be fair the launcher does deliver that information, there's a banner on top that warns of any server downtime in advance but users still don't see it and ask in the discord "why game down?" which would explain why discord is getting the pings for it.

[frosty raven]

I like turtles 🐢

[nocturne solstice]

turtle good

[meager flame]

ya part of the problem is that a bunch of people dont use the launcher to begin with

[rotund moth]

No fishing spots in Karamja Shilo leagues world 🥴🥴

Nvm came back after logout

[gentle badge]

anyone's hide roof setting not working at the moment or just me?

[nocturne solstice]

havent experienced it myself but I did hear some others with the issue

[gentle badge]

looks like restarting runelite solved it for now

[nocturne solstice]

Good to know, glad it got resolved

[tender harness]

surely we get an updat this week that isnt leagues focused right?

[nocturne solstice]

Maybe, surely we still got some things that passed the polls and gotta be added 🤔

[hard axle]

yeah we know that's bollocks

[restive storm]

Big things are coming - and it’s Jagex merch

[obsidian venture]

We are so back

Let’s twin!

[restive storm]

Gonna both be rocking the “I’m with stupid” shirts

[obsidian venture]

So excited

[meager flame]

lmao im not kidding when i say jagex advertising a new platform to give them even more money after just raising prices and not releasing worthwhile main game content in 6 months and counting is like

in contention for the most tone deaf thing they've ever done

[restive storm]

What if I were to tell you the merch drop IS the content?

[coral depot]

Why did those worlds get removed?

Any patch notes?

[obsidian venture]

Which ones

[tender harness]

because you asked.

thats why

[coral depot]

The ones they removed this morning I forgot which 2 worlds exactly

[coral depot]

? Wym lmao

[tender harness]

[coral depot]

I know they took down the leagues tob world- @tender harness care to use words m8?

[tender harness]

I was being a smart ass

also fuck leagues

when leagues detracts from the main game. its gross

[coral depot]

Ofc u were

[tender harness]

when leagues does not. its fun

[obsidian venture]

Well no notes till tmrw

If it’s as scheduled

[crystal halo]

July 2025 last major update gagex ty for the merch update

[restive storm]

Eh we (begrudgingly) got sailing in what November or somethin? But still it’s 6 months it’s just been a stagnant game lol, idek what they could be doing over there

[tender harness]

theyre doing leagues

because some how leagues is more important than the real game

xd

[still sundial]

im surprised we got here again, it was the same in 2021 where the roadmap was Deadman Reborn into GIM into Leagues and people were very obviously unhappy with the lack of maingame updates

luckily for me I do enjoy leagues at least but yeah I can imagine it feeling bad if you don't care for it

[tender harness]

I like leagues, but if leagues is to the point where it detracts from the actual game thats where it starts to be a problem
which we are coming full circle

[tough nacelle]

ngl this leauges doesnt hit as hard

with gridmaster and DMM leauges lite

its fun for 1-2 weeks

[still sundial]

true gridmaster wasn't even that long ago either, feeling a bit of temporary gamemode fatigue

[tough nacelle]

with the price hike, its really disapointing to see less content get released

even more so that the main reason we have no content is we cant figure out rewards, not that the previous team couldnt design amazing fights

doesnt feel like we're much closer to new reward spaces either

I know sailing is a multi step process, but it feels like we've had very few changes to it since release

like 6 months of nothing is a decent chunk of time

esp with no updates to HD mode, API getting cancelled (I think) etc

heck even backported quests would be nice

weve had nothing

[restive storm]

Yeah the total loss of direction of the entire team is kinda scary to me. Like the raw amount of dev time going into temp game modes seems wild and like they just feel they can do anything they want there cuz nothing has to pass a poll. So all real creative things get thrown in there and then we don’t even get anything main game lol

[minor whale]

3 in 6 months is just terrible feeling

We have like 5x the devs as we had back in ToB and Inferno days

Yet the content is coming at a snail's pace and buggier than ever

It's very disappointing

[restive storm]

Yeah the size of the dev team vs amount of content we get is very weird

Like I know the raid and vampire land is big stuff, but like seemingly the entire team working on it for this long is kinda wild

[hard axle]

waiting for someone to say "but beef"

[tacit pendant]

Guys they're clearly busy on hd

[hard axle]

this is what i've been saying

drop another colosseum style update for mage cape upgrade

[minor whale]

Can't wait for an update nobody actually uses because the vanilla client without plugins is not gonna be getting more users lmao

[meager flame]

ngl this league was fun but imo it was not as good as the previous league

[minor whale]

They have such back-asswards logic with the engine priority

[meager flame]

i got dragon even faster than last time and honestly

the league is just too afk like lol

its fine when its easy and op thats expected but i'd rather actually be playing instead of just watching my character get the w

with no input

[tacit pendant]

I mean the assumption is hd would work with runelite but im also clowning on em lol

[minor whale]

Mobile players are already stuck playing mobile, this won't draw more.

Official client having HD just means so much wasted effort until the plugin hub comes, because absolutely nobody is going to switch over when shit like Menu Entry Swapper on official is still uselessly broken lmao

[minor whale]

It won't, they've explicitly said so

[meager flame]

hd wont work with runelite

[minor whale]

It'll only apply to their c++ client and not at all with Java (which Runelite uses)

[meager flame]

granted i dont think jagex at any point tried to stop runelite for the newer client

but runelite themselves just said fuck no to the idea immediately when we got the c++ client

so all of the new stuff will never work with it

[minor whale]

Remember 5 years ago when they tried to shut down 117 because "there was an imminent HD mode coming"

Lmaooo

[meager flame]

tbh im surprised runelite hasn't pressed jagex yet

[tacit pendant]

Theres what a 2% chance all this silence and no content is plugin hub work? But...

Doubt

[meager flame]

imagine the next time jagex does something really stupid runelite just shuts down

lmao they would be fucked

[hard axle]

folks say they won't play because graphics bad and that might be why jagex is adding a hd mode, but honestly, if ur a player who cares about longevity, u don't want those short-minded folks around

[meager flame]

it would be an actual doomsday scenario for jagex because almost all of us rely on runelite to play to begin with

[restive storm]

REAL

Cuz then they join and if they make good graphics, they’re like, why is the combat just click and wait? Etc

[minor whale]

Runelite threatening to shutdown would be immediate defcon 1 situation for Jagex

Like over half the devs say they use Runelite for the game anyway lmao

[meager flame]

hopefully the next league isn't afk league though

[hard axle]

jagex would have to shift to making an internal runelite team ye

[tender harness]

careful if people hear this they will tell you
BUT LEAGUES IS CONTENT

[meager flame]

its really awkward that we went from infinite healing items but we still actively played the game by deciding to heal ourselves etc and using the op relics to like

alright let me just go grab a shower while i afk this infernal cape

oh the butler just got me 99 herblore

[minor whale]

It's absurd that a large majority of players uses an unofficial client and they don't actually like, try to make their client have parity asap.
It's just pure laziness of "oh haha these guys are doing this work for free, awesome"

[meager flame]

oops logged out better get that next 30 minutes of wc

[restive storm]

But leagues suck

[meager flame]

it was pretty cringe

[tender harness]

Thorns while its cool. its almost too broken
and then water mage thorns is a thing

[minor whale]

Yeah I'm mega bored of this leagues immediately

The best dps gear is also the afk gear

That's just stupid

[meager flame]

i just dont even really know how they got to where they are

[tender harness]

reddit

and POE

[meager flame]

because its not like it needs to be challenging but just literally being afk is crazy

[tender harness]

but primarily reddit

[minor whale]

Thorns water tank Kandarin gg you just afk all content

[meager flame]

like just give me crazy stuff and ask me to actively play the game

[minor whale]

I got a 1 minute awakened Vardorvis kc and didn't click my screen

[meager flame]

i dont want to just watch my character full heal and do infinite damage while i do nothing

[tender harness]

you can literally afk levithian in leagues its just stupid

[minor whale]

I just stood there praying melee and he killed himself on my thorns while I stayed nearly always 158 hp

[meager flame]

i just dunno how they managed to do this because the last league was also really easy but at least it was active

[tender harness]

I quit leagues after like a week and went back to just finish maxing
I have 50k points I havent bothered spending anyways so kinda meh

[meager flame]

you just went in swinging your 2t scythe moving around clicking your infinite supplies if you needed them

at least you were playing the game

idk how they removed that part lmao

[minor whale]

I quit leagues and just haven't logged in at all because the lack of any care for the game the devs have shown since Sailing launched makes me sad

[tacit pendant]

Thorns and water mage are busted yeah. Leagues hasnt had pvm feel like any level of challenging since leagues 1

[meager flame]

i dont even care if its challenging or whatever

im just blown away that its afk

[minor whale]

It also being just like
It's a rerun except the combat is slightly different but even more boring

[meager flame]

like dudes aren't even playing the game

[carmine junco]

Why did you pick the afk relics?

[minor whale]

Yeah the water tree just shouldn't exist

[meager flame]

they're just theorycrafting a build and then witnessing it

with no inputs

lmao

[carmine junco]

Idk if you can complain it's too afk if that's your choice

[meager flame]

idk definitely the weirdest dragon trophy i've ever gotten

[carmine junco]

Almost no one has dragon yet

[tender harness]

leagues is extremely afk though lmao

[meager flame]

i mean its not really much of a choice

sure like

i could build for thrown range weapons and do 5 dps

[carmine junco]

You realize how insane you sound right?

[meager flame]

otherwise my crossbow heals me any magic heals me or im afk swinging a halberd from africa

i mean its not insane

[tender harness]

brother is trying to act like water mage thorns isnt a thing 😭

[carmine junco]

You're in the top less than 1% of the entire player base of leagues l?

[tacit pendant]

"you choose to pick one of like 4 ridiculously strong builds, its your fault if it feels too easy"

[meager flame]

i'd have to choose to be very dumb basically to get myself into a situation where this league wasn't afk

[carmine junco]

This is the point?

It's leagues

[meager flame]

its possible to do sure but like

idk

[restive storm]

That’s why it’s not fun to play and I’d rather they not waste their time on it

[tacit pendant]

Weve had leagues where you had to move during pvm lol.

[meager flame]

and tbh

[carmine junco]

I'm glad they don't listen to the people here for feedback. No one I know is complaining about endless harvest or butler or whatever

[meager flame]

i think if you dont choose the good builds this league you probably ruin your experience anyways

[tacit pendant]

Nobody here is complaining about eh or butler????

[meager flame]

because the tuning is so bad on the alternatives that it wont even feel like a league

you'd just handicap yourself to do it

[tender harness]

clue relic absolutely dumpstered because people complained so much about clues

[carmine junco]

I mean, all the builds are better than baseline, you just went for the least fun one because it was the easiest

[meager flame]

it would be nice if they were actually good though so that someone would reasonably make that choice

[carmine junco]

And now you're surprised you didn't have fun

[minor whale]

You can absolutely complain something is too afk if it's both afk and the best option for multiple things

If you want to afk you shouldn't be doing the best dps of all the builds

[tacit pendant]

Thorns, water mage, and crossbow literally cover all 3 styles of combat and break the game.

[carmine junco]

That is the point

[spare glade]

bruh just wants something to complain about😭

[tender harness]

where the fuck are you pulling this claim from as well
dragon cups are up to ~1000 players now?
this league is like the easiest dragon cup to get

[carmine junco]

Yeah, they do

[tacit pendant]

People are allowed to say they dont enjoy games being this easy?

[carmine junco]

Lmao

[meager flame]

all the non afk builds in this league are basically terrible is the main problem i'd say

the only one thats kinda reasonable is the bluetooth halberd

[minor whale]

And our point is that it's boring as shit after last leagues where it was also ridiculously easy
People are allowed to be a bit disappointed that the 3rd seasonal gamemode in 6 months is just a complete let-down

[meager flame]

yeah i dont even care that its easy

[carmine junco]

Anyone with dragon cup already played way too fucking much lmao

[meager flame]

its always easy

its that it isnt active and the builds aren't actually interesting

[carmine junco]

'easy'

[restive storm]

Are they playing too much if they’re just afk tho? Lmao

[carmine junco]

Sure, but no

[tacit pendant]

Bigger point would be at mithril cup you already have rcb/waterstaff/any shield and know how boring the rest of your journey is gonna be

[carmine junco]

Don't want to acknowledge you were wrong?

[tacit pendant]

I never mentioned dragon cup. But go off

[meager flame]

you could make a new character today and have thorns setup with a suffering/boots from colo and a trident before you logged off

[carmine junco]

So that's a no then.

[tacit pendant]

Its an easy ass league? Im not wrong

[tender harness]

always one idiot who will jump at anyone criticizing leagues

[carmine junco]

Lol.

[meager flame]

i mean idk if the league is that much faster than the previous one for dragon

i got it a few days faster this time compared to the last one

the big difference was the amount of active playtime i had

[restive storm]

Leagues will end up being the downfall of osrs cuz noobs keep wanting to bring leagues bs to the main game

[carmine junco]

Brilliant observation

[minor whale]

Every leagues it happens

"Why does run energy still drain in main game?"

[meager flame]

it doesn't tho at this point

based agility update

[tender harness]

"agility is too hard"

[meager flame]

im cool with that one though because you have to go through purgatory with the worst skill in the game by a mile

[tacit wharf]

anyone else disappointed that 1-tick powered staves where so easy/early to get

[meager flame]

to earn your nearly infinite run

[tacit pendant]

Could admit your wrong that you dont even know whos talking about what lmfao.

Nobody said you cant enjoy leagues. Sorry other people criticizing something feels like an attack on you

[tender harness]

the only genuinely good thing that came from this league was culling spree just reinforcing the fact that main game slayer in its current form is terrible. and giving people the choice to pick their task is a far more enjoyable path for slayer

[carmine junco]

Okay, weird response to being called out for being wrong about something.

[minor whale]

What did he say that was wrong?

[tacit pendant]

It would be yeah. Luckily thats not what happened here

[carmine junco]

You were pretty up front about my claim and when it wwa proved right you tried turning things around

[meager flame]

the funniest part is that i actually did have fun with this league i just think its inferior to the last one

[minor whale]

He literally just claimed the league was boring and easy and afk

And you start talking about dragon cup

[restive storm]

Ain’t nobody care about a dragon cup

I literally don’t even know what it is

[carmine junco]

Oh I guess I was mistaken on who did the whining, it all just blends together lol

[carmine junco]

Wow, impressive.

[tacit wharf]

just nuke tureal skipping and give us 3 choices for a task instead, id agree to that

[tacit pendant]

Want to talk about goal post shifting. You brought up relics that literally NOBODY was mentioning as if that was the discussion

[carmine junco]

Being unable to read doesn't make you special. You can admit you don't know the conversation you're a part of

[minor whale]

What

[restive storm]

I have a solid record of logging into a league 1 single time for 3 seconds and it’s cuz my game defaulted to one of those cursed worlds when I opened rl

[carmine junco]

Great. Good for you? Do you even log into the game at all anymore?

[tender harness]

Turael skipping is such bad game play
but the summer sweep up last year be like:
LETS MAKE IT EVEN MORE BROKEN

[meager flame]

i mean you'd probably have fun with it if you tried a league

[carmine junco]

Why are you still here btw

[meager flame]

i just want the next one to be more about active gameplay

[restive storm]

No cuz they waste all their time developing leagues instead of updating the game

[tacit wharf]

so true with giving turael a blocklist

[minor whale]

Why are you so aggro 24/7 barging into conversations just to get pissy when people call you weird for making false claims about what our arguments even are

[carmine junco]

Great, if I didn't play the game anymore I wouldn't be here at all lol

[carmine junco]

Because I can always count on the same people to be in here saying the same things every day

[restive storm]

That’s cool man, but I do like the game in general, it’s just it’s been stagnant for 6 months and there’s nothing to do

That doesn’t mean I don’t want it to improve lol

[tacit wharf]

5, u played that month to get 99 sailing

[tacit pendant]

Something im actually disappointed in this legaue is the lack of echo bosses as hard as last year. We lost echo sol. Got no echo zuk or doom or yama which would have made sense. Its an easier league and stupid strong power with no stupid strong obstacle to overcome isnt my cup of tea

[meager flame]

tbh even if we got echo sol it wouldn't have mattered

it didnt last time either tbf but lol

[restive storm]

Not me over here counting out months on fingers rn… guess u right 5

[meager flame]

we're basically unstoppable machines

[minor whale]

Weren't you literally crying about tick manip last week and saying tick manip wasn't "skillful gameplay" lmao

[meager flame]

its just about if you're having fun doing that or not

and this time i was pretty bored by the content just because it didn't really require me to play

i just had to move my character into the boss room and it was a wrap

[minor whale]

I don't think most people in here care that 1 person repeatedly joins in on convos they misunderstood and goes full aggro

[carmine junco]

Weird tangent

[minor whale]

You said there's just "so much whining"

[carmine junco]

And?

[tacit pendant]

I went to the place where people try to communicate stuff about the game to the devs and i saw people communicating to the devs... Waaaa 👶

[carmine junco]

Not to mention the fact that all I was saying is that tick manip isn't fun and they can make more engaging gameplay that provides the same benefits.

[restive storm]

And you’ve also done nothing but whine that we aren’t all getting the dragon cup, while not listening to us say that we find the game boring. It’s like I don’t go for the “watching paint dry length” world record cuz I don’t find that fun

[carmine junco]

I'm sure the devs love the feedback you give

[carmine junco]

You don't know what that is?

[crystal halo]

The fact they balance shit around tick manip is disgusting

[carmine junco]

Did you Google it while we were talking?

[restive storm]

Pretty ez to infer from what you posted in here

[minor whale]

So your opinion (not whining) is that an aspect of the game wasn't fun and you thought it could be improved

And our opinion (definitely whining) is that an aspect of the game wasn't fun and we thought it could be improved

Lmao

[carmine junco]

My opinion was around the leechfin fishing having to be balanced around tick manip. It seems like the people here are just complaining that they don't have enough to do because you're already through all of the league

[tender harness]

considering they somehow also thinkt he price hikes are justified and people negatively reacting to the news post are just salty.

his opinion has almost no merit

[carmine junco]

I never said that?

Again, weird post

[tender harness]

are you sure?

[carmine junco]

Yes, that's accurate

[restive storm]

That’s not what we’re saying at all, we’re saying the league isn’t enough fun to warrant playing anymore, not that we’ve completed it

[carmine junco]

Tell me that isn't true

The reactions in the announcements channel have been mass down voted because of the price changes

[tender harness]

mate is doing a double back now

[carmine junco]

Huh?

[tender harness]

[carmine junco]

I said the same thing!

[restive storm]

That’s not entirely true, they’ve also been mass downvoted cuz the games in a terrible state rn

[meager flame]

tbf its probably more like they're downvoted because jagex won't respond to the price change feedback

[crystal halo]

Every single update is dogshit

Thats why the reactions

[meager flame]

and the fact that every update post sailing has kind of been garbage lol

[minor whale]

"I never said that"

Posts image of him saying that verbatim

"Yeah it's true lol"

[carmine junco]

It was pretty consistent following the price hike that all of the posts had tons of down votes

[meager flame]

i dont wanna shit talk to cow boss update too bad because it was cool for what it was but like

[restive storm]

Gotta remember that more than one thing can be true at a time lmao

[meager flame]

that can't be the only cool update in 6 months

especially given its scope

[carmine junco]

Because what I said and what they think I said are two different things

Because they can't read

They took that to me defending the price hike for some reason?

When what I said was objectively true

[crystal halo]

With the way polling works sailing wont be good until 2030

So all we get is nothing until than enjoy

New boss will be hella buggy

[tender harness]

objectively? price hikes arent the sole reason the game has been moving at a snails pace since sailing

[meager flame]

another way to look at it too is that now that we're paying more

[crystal halo]

And raids 4 will be delayed

[meager flame]

we should expect more

but we're actually getting less

[carmine junco]

Huh?

[tender harness]

and they want people to pay more for less

[meager flame]

pretty valid community crash out imo

[restive storm]

RT

[tacit pendant]

No no thats whining guys. Cant you read??

[crystal halo]

They could cut down the dev team by 60% and we would get the same amount of shit updates

[meager flame]

i actually do wonder what they're doing high key lol

[carmine junco]

Again, you're not wrong, but the mass down votes are pretty much all following the price changes. Like, it's true that there are other problems but that's the one with the most visibility

[meager flame]

it sounds toxic to question it but what exactly are all of those people doing

[crystal halo]

Ive seen rsps devs work harder than this

[restive storm]

Idk feels like collecting paychecks at this point

[minor whale]

Because they raised the price on a product that was not worth the extra cost

If the price raised but we were getting tons of new content it'd be a lot less impact

[meager flame]

i had a theory that they were quiet quitting because of the price increase/communication but

[tender harness]

the comedically insulting road map for both the main game and sailing

[meager flame]

if they aren't that would probably hurt their feelings

[carmine junco]

Okay, again, not disagreeing with this. But the down votes are all because of this

[restive storm]

Thing is I don’t think it’s on the devs, think there’s prob management just red taping everything so we get nothing cool

[minor whale]

Most of the time they time price raises for when something new and excited is on the way

And that's fine, people understand price goes up

[meager flame]

ya like the league

[minor whale]

But price go up when content drought

Is just fucking obnoxious

[meager flame]

price went up last league too

[inner pelican]

an excess of caution sounds right considering the sailing balance

[meager flame]

they obviously are just farming the league people

same reason you cant reset your league account entirely

even though we do it before every dmm

[minor whale]

Sailing balance is the definition of an excess of caution

[meager flame]

they just want money

[tender harness]

so I wonder how they are doing on the road map

[restive storm]

I mean sailing is kinda managements fault as well, that was in no way, shape or form ready for release in Nov lmao

[minor whale]

Yup

[carmine junco]

Idk. I guess we'll find out in the summer?

[minor whale]

I was sailing rank 1 fan

And it's just a hot mess that got pushed way too early

[meager flame]

tbh i want them to just ditch sailing

[tender harness]

I peaked at like rank 400 sailing until i got the pet and stopped

[restive storm]

<- most vindicated sailing doomer, I tried to warn yall

[tender harness]

now I just CBA

[minor whale]

Boat combat was nowhere close to ready and it got pushed right before a holiday where they couldn't work on it for a month

[meager flame]

i dont want forestry part 75 blocking out half the year

[tender harness]

they need to just forget boat combat exists for now honestly. and rehaul it properly