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meager flame
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lets say everyone just runs all of the megarares but only two picks give you echo items that buff the weapons you'll actually use

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lol that would be quite unfortunate

nocturne solstice
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honestly was a bit tempted to
Zeah
Mory
Desert

To access every raid 🤔

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Might go priff though, crystal blessing was pretty strong for melee last time and I kinda wanna go with a melee build this time

craggy wind
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Crystal was amazing last time. They said there’s a twist too so maybe it works with all style. I’m considering Zeah, Wild, and maybe Tira again…..

bronze kernel
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No herb patches. LFG

nocturne solstice
round lintel
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😄

bronze kernel
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No herb patches in Wilderness

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None in Tirawin

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None in Fremmt

round lintel
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I dont think ill go Mory for my iron... last time I did 200 barrows to only complete one set

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for diary

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didnt get the points for every set

bronze kernel
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Also realized the WTF combination has only one farming patch. The allotments in Priff

round lintel
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The worst is when you dont get filled plant pots

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back 2 leagues ago only Mory and Asgarnia had it

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and Zeah

bronze kernel
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I want to see meme combos like FAT or WTF. Because the acronym would be funny

round lintel
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I feel the teleport relics are kinda weak

meager flame
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i do think theres a solid chance that the third one just like

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ends up being the pick for 99.99% of people

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the other two are weak enough for it to happen

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but it could also be just as bad

round lintel
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fairies flight is kinda good

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not the best best but good

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but if its not that one I guess second best is the boss teleport one

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also looks like no golden god this time around?

meager flame
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im really worried its going to end up being a weird situation where you pick alacrity just because it allows you to speed up rc

round lintel
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yeah if no bankers note

meager flame
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need to see the rest of the relics though

round lintel
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then rc is horrible

bronze kernel
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Or you're taking a more skilling oriented approach

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We just need to see the third one first

round lintel
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In general, like if you wanna get to dragon rank semi efficient you need to max

meager flame
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ya just doing rc natty would be pure horror

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because that basically means you're gonna do something scary like

round lintel
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unless you pick desert which rc is free

meager flame
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the library

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or i guess desert just to have access to gotr i feel like someone said that counts as desert this time

bronze kernel
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Honestly, I feel like not including Banker Note would probably be a good choice. An unpopular one, but it definitely devalues the TP relics a good margin

round lintel
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it doesnt devalue teleport relics, and is handy for noobs and learners

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personally only use it to push hard content or things i wanted to learn in the main game

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Golden god is just one of my fav due to the gp thing, the auto alch and free 50m mage and also the prayer

bronze kernel
round lintel
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In the past you could check which subscriptions you have associated with a card debit/credit

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looks like recently the changed it so you cant do it

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now I have a charge for a month subscription

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but is not in any of my accts

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is not on my emails

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but it is on my bank statement

round lintel
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I have nothing in my emails and the only activity is this

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so reporting someone costed me 13.99? xD

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No emails or accts have any extra mems so idk where this month a membership went.

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Charge shows as "1 Month of Membership CAMBR"

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I figured it out

blissful topaz
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the left click bone bury option makes training prayer feel much smoother and less repetitive
it removes the need to constantly right click which improves overall gameplay flow
this change is especially helpful for new players as it makes basic mechanics more intuitive
it also shows that Jagex is focused on quality of life improvements that make the game easier to enjoy

sacred oracle
winged mantle
carmine junco
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It's the only thing they want and they post in many places about it

stark dome
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Bury bone is left click by default innit?

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Im so confused

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Am I being trolled?

tacit wharf
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cuz he's f2p

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so no bonecrusher

stark dome
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F2P wanting updates 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

minor whale
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If he wants bone crusher functionality he should simply acquire a bonecrusher

stark dome
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But also that doesnt really track

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His complaint mentions right clicking

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Is there a right click bury option for dropped bones?

minor whale
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He's saying he has to right click to pick up bones

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To then left click bury

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It's a complete non-issue

stark dome
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Oh I see lol

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Silly goose 🪿

minor whale
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It was added to the giant bosses because their base prayer xp is 150, same as superior dragon bones, but they didn't want them to be put on the market due to how easy and fast to kill they are

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There's absolutely no reason to have it for all bones

stark dome
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Oh so you get 150 prayer xp for every obor kill in f2p?

minor whale
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Only mems lmao

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He's asking for it to apply to all bones and in f2p

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Which is pretty ridiculous

stark dome
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LOL

south void
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No pay, No say (This is a joke, please don't hate me.)

meager flame
analog crow
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Paying customers only scronglypirate

frozen lion
blissful topaz
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Left click bone bury option (ground object) would be a great addition to the game, as it was introduced in the new player Jagex blog post. It should be a toggeable option.

dire mango
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Big Bone wants to keep burying inconvenient for the f2p masses. Wake up Jagex.

sly basin
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not a member? gtfo

brave spire
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Anyone know what’s going on with the castle war bracelet?

frozen lion
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Good change

solid trout
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even Jagex knows noone can afford more than 1 character anymore

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chilly herald
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Is the increase membership price why everyone is downvoting the update posts?

solid trout
chilly herald
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lol

solid trout
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or rather the league ones in particular

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because the believe is, that is likely even true, that a large majority of dev time is put into a gamemode thats deleted in 2 months

gloomy gazelle
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I miss when membership was like $6 a month. But then again we advanced tech a lot after what, 15-20 years?

solid trout
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and they do not see why they need to pay for something thats deleted in 2+ months

solid trout
chilly herald
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leagues is fun tho

solid trout
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yearly membership is now more expensive in alot of SA countries than rent for a month

solid trout
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what happned to the promised rerun system?

chilly herald
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because you finish the game in a couple of weeks

solid trout
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and i shouldnt be allowed to try the different relics?

chilly herald
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I don't disagree with that

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good point actually

solid trout
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a person with 1 account may at most experience 30% of a given league

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60% of relics and regions are unavailable for anyone with one account

chrome lantern
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Should definitely be a way to unlock everything eventually even if it means max all tasks in regions

solid trout
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would have loved in a rerun of L5 to try the kopesh but unfortunatly its in wildy and i gotta get points for the dragon trophy

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i dont see why we can have 1-5 "seasonal" servers that rerun the old leagues constantly on a 2 month rotating basis

Dosnt matter they are "dead" after a week, you are so strong in leagues you can solo content anyway

points are only awarded based on your highest ever completion.

So if you got adamant in the OG run than Dragon in the rerun you are only awarded the difference in points

chrome lantern
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Leagues 3 actually let you unlock everything

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And it was great

solid trout
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i didnt get to play leagues 3

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and there will be alot of people that didnt get to play leagues 6 either in like 3-4 years

peak goblet
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who the FUCK is mad at the new character switching update on mobile yall are some miserable ass motherfuckers 😭😭 literally zero downside this is insanely useful and good news

solid trout
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for an mmo that prides itself on "no fomo content" leagues is suprisignly fomo oriented

solid trout
ashen yarrow
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that is because the usual downvoters are still sleeping kekw

peak goblet
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People angry reacted it what are YOU talking about i love it

peak goblet
solid trout
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its not even close

gloomy gazelle
# solid trout i didnt get to play leagues 3

Me neither, I think I was available to me when I started my main six years ago. I just didn't understand the concept of Leagues yet (seriously, I thought it was like an event you had to go to similar to RuneFest, at first glance) 😳
But yeah, reruns would be nice. You could only go so far when it comes to the themes and concepts of Leagues. I feel like TBRL/Leagues 4 is the closest we have out of a rerun.

solid trout
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very mixed signals here

peak goblet
ashen yarrow
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All rewards, except temporary mode trophies, can be obtained from later leagues

solid trout
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we dont know when the next community event is, so grid tabart is just lost to time?

gaunt minnow
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If they stop making leagues then they’ll add the rewards to some other system, surely

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But seems like leagues are very popular and don’t take much dev time so can’t see them going any time soon

chrome lantern
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Leagues should be in the clog

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There, I said it

gaunt minnow
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Don’t think that would work, as it’s probably not possible to catch up on rewards anymore with how many different league kits there are

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And how the points are capped based on leagues tasks

chrome lantern
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I mean it's fine to not have the full log completed, the collection log is already statistically incompletable

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No reason to exclude anything from it

gaunt minnow
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It would trigger the cloggers

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Which isn’t a good reason to avoid adding things to it

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But still

chrome lantern
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There is no good reason that the BH rewards shop, Ancient blood ornament kit, and Purifying sigil aren't in the collection log.

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Leagues I admit is more of a gray area because of time-gating

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So I don't have as strong opinions on that one

tender harness
minor whale
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Not a single clogger I know likes that things are left off

chrome lantern
tender harness
chrome lantern
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Ah ofc

minor whale
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"Sweet, now if only I could afford a 2nd character still"

tender harness
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Basically

minor whale
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Not a JMod comment present in the whole thread

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Oh and the shitload of still unfixed mobile bugs

tender harness
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This particular hike isnt going to be let go anytime soon.
And heaven forbid leagues has a horrid launch again

chrome lantern
minor whale
gaunt minnow
tender harness
solid trout
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update for mobile not live on IOS yet?

languid light
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This new update is a major L. It defaults a character I don't even play anymore. Now it's just extra steps to log in.

solid trout
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unless its bugged

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cant test, not live on IOS yet it seams

languid light
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It's bugged. Doesn't default last character used.

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But at least they have that in mind and it's on the table to be fixed then

ashen yarrow
solid trout
languid light
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Appreciate the info

solid trout
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@nocturne solstice just cause i saw you type--- any info if its not live on IOS yet?

languid light
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Check your apple store

nocturne solstice
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none that I know of soz

languid light
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This is the first update I've seen where it doesn't force you to update to play

solid trout
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its not there but apple store is also wierd with updates at times

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ah you need to open it specifically on the store page to update, it dosnt show as updatable in the updates tab

languid light
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Yeah it was weird on Android too. The game would let you login and play without updating the client

solid trout
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well, likely cause the client version is irrelevant to the game version in this update

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think of it like this:
The Client just tells the server what actions you performed. The client doesnt run the game. It accesses it

A UI change on the character select menu has no changes in packages and with that wont send any faulty packages when ingame.

fresh surge
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I can't even click the button to sign in with email

humble beacon
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ya there is always 2 versions live

fresh surge
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Doesn't work

humble beacon
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237.2 and 237.4 atm

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sadly there aint an option to choice with version you want, just picks the latest automatically

solid trout
humble beacon
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ya true

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but it broke the official client on windows completely

solid trout
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also im pretty sure you could download the 237.2 SDK if you are on android

edgy dune
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New update just broke my client. Clicking on the play now button does nothing.

humble beacon
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the login button is unresponsive

solid trout
humble beacon
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well imagine releasing an update that requires a 3rd party client to login 🤷🏼‍♂️

amber furnace
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I thought I was the only one who’s client broke, hopefully they’ll fix it if it’s common

solid trout
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hey i added the /s for a reason, but i guess i am also terminally online and not everyone understands the slashes

languid light
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Shitty implementation but when they fix it, you're right, it will only be positive

humble beacon
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ya it's a good QoL update for sure

amber furnace
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Girlfriend kept me up because she’s sick so I was able to get on early today, looks like that’s not happening lol

solid trout
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hu wierd.... autoslecting last character works perfectly for me @languid light

languid light
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That is weird. I just tested multiple ways but not working on an s23 ultra

solid trout
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Iphone 13 for me (IOS 26.3.1 (a))

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might be a device specific issue then

languid light
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Yeah I'm prob just going to jump on the pc and change acct order before I leave for work

fresh surge
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I'm on Android and can't even get past the email login screen, does nothing when clicked and app is updated

tender harness
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Do they have two different builds out? kekw

whole swift
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I have a 15 Pro and I dont have the char selection option yet either

ashen yarrow
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might need to go to osrs page on app store/google play to update. Some people didnt get notification about available update

somber marsh
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Update your app on iPhone

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Other people get rekt I guess

frozen lion
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not another game news soon about leagues forsenY

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can we delete leagues and make membership cheaper? ty

restive storm
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potentially make updates to the main game as well would be cool

stark dome
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Leagues is probably a cash cow

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We usually break concurrent player records on week 1 of a new temp mode

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All of whom need to be p2p

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Soooo I doubt they're going away anytime soon

craggy wind
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Why is everyone seeking me

tender harness
rich flicker
agile crest
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Typing in YAMA for first puzzle was as far as I got

sage yacht
craggy wind
restive storm
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so annoying getting spam @'d and its just lame leagues stuff

worn ledge
plucky canyon
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it's april and we've gotten 2 temp game modes and 0 impactful main game updates

tacit wharf
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well ya cuz we pushed up ship combat fixes and pushed back bmr

stark dome
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We got canoes

plucky canyon
ember token
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so true

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what are you realistically expecting them to reveal about raids 4 right now when its like 8 months away

round lintel
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then refine them if they miss the mark/people dont like it

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then polling them

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that along is about 2/3 months of back and forth

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why make it closer to release?

tacit wharf
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some of you guys spoiled as hell, and it shows

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wanting all this info and the content isnt even remotely close to being out yet

restive storm
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ofc we are, they used to be such a good company. so when jagex drops the ball for like the second year in a row it gets annoying

frozen lion
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Stop releasing new content and improve existing

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Or slow down at least

restive storm
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idk if they could possibly go any slower releasing new content at this point

frozen lion
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They def should

restive storm
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i mean they are rn

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we havent had a real update since sailing (granted they shoulda delayed that too)

frozen lion
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Yeah and such big ones shouldnt be as often

round lintel
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I love leagues, I find it a nice break from the main game grinds ahead but if leagues/dmm are reasons for new important content to get pushed back or lacking then I rather not have leagues.

tacit wharf
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dont fall for the bait tac0

tacit wharf
restive storm
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def agree, need to tone down the dev work on leagues/dmm and just do reruns

frozen lion
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Tbh if leagues slow down Release of new content im in favor of leagues even tho i dont play

tacit wharf
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leauges got pushed up because ship combat got added in, which then pushed back bmr

restive storm
frozen lion
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Some stuff gets done after years of asking and requests

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To this day corp beast private instances require alts...

round lintel
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To this day corp is only soloable by making it a 2k hp chicken or several food per kill sometimes 2x inventory

restive storm
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i mean it just isnt really a solo boss

round lintel
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And regular drops are meh and important drops are rare af

restive storm
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i dont think thats inherently bad

round lintel
restive storm
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i mean yeah its not meta for GP but i feel like people use it as an event type place

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Corp masses feel like one of the only masses left

round lintel
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Unlike wildy bosses all have a chance a drop per kill

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And even irons

frozen lion
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With alt u can do easily solo with drains otherwise its go public and crashed by some randoms sniping worlds

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Not fun

round lintel
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Yeah on my main I got crashed several times by a guy that was perm muted

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Back like 6 years ago

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And my iron well just done a few kills and realistically idk if its worth all the effort or wait until I get shadow and no need for a shield

frozen lion
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I just want to do clogs and CAs

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Gp irrelevant

restive storm
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i feel like its not rly worth the effort on an iron for like any reason

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what u need an ely/spectral for lol

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arcane ig u miss out on like 2-3% dmg on mage or somethin"?

round lintel
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Yeah I was talking for arcane only

restive storm
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feel like id rather just skip it than risk my sanity

frozen lion
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If it was soloable private instances would be calmer mind to grind it

round lintel
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The only good part was cannonballs but doom shit them out now

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So I rather go doom if I need more cballs

frozen lion
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Zombie pirates a lot too

round lintel
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If you could at least use horn on your iron to land specs

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But from all the niche uses thats not one of them

meager flame
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i did like 1k corp a couple months ago and i think someone messed up my kill like

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twice

frozen lion
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Still private instances without requiring an alt would be welcone

covert cradle
round lintel
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is it me or these demonic pacts are really weird that regenerate thing and specific runes and such

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like idk too much stuff for combat

chrome lantern
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My thoughts are that magic is too complicated and doesn't look fun to me so I will ignore it this leagues

round lintel
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riiiiight?

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Like just by reading these pacts, if you do this you regenerate a water rune

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but if regenerate a water rune u do this

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like too much information for something thats supposed to be fun

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and easy xd

chrome lantern
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Like I see a lot of people saying it will be really strong but I just don't want to think about it

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And I don't find the super fast attack speed interesting

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So I just won't

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Well I mean it is interesting but I don't want to play the whole league that way

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I used a lot of 1t eye in Gridmaster and 2t shadow when I needed to move

round lintel
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do we know how we get these pacts?

ember token
round lintel
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is not about thinking about it, is just the complexity of if if if if if if, if else

ember token
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yeah just doesnt seem that complex to me

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you dont do anything to trigger regenerate beyond just attacking

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half of the pacts are just stat increases

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simple way to look at it, you're just specing into a specific part of the attack style

steel lantern
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alot of the if's for the magic side arent a huge deal you can really not pay attention to alot of the regenerate buffs

ember token
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like for magic you can spec into air, water, fire, or earth spells

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for ranged you can spec into bows, crossbows, or thrown weps

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and for melee you can spec into tank/shield/recoil, light/fast, heavy/slow, or halberds

steel lantern
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for magic imo its if you want to use ancients you spec into fire/water if you want to use surge spells you go air/earth

ashen yarrow
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Door build will happen again this league scronglypirate

meager flame
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i mean it just depends on how many points exist to use

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like mage tank for example could be really simple or it could have enough points to grab the reflect from the melee side and actually be insane

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i kinda sorta think they're going to give us a lot of points so that you could actually do hybrid stuff

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it would be a lot more interesting

chrome lantern
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It's kinda crazy that there have been like

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No updates to the FAQ section in the Leagues blogpost

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Despite it saying "check back frequently for updates"

meager flame
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gotta go to the discord they post jmod clarification semi regularly

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some of it extremely important too

chrome lantern
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Why have official platforms if they don't share any information on them ffs

meager flame
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like how soul harvest and nature's accord do not stack the way you'd assume

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so if you reloaded for that you'd probably be really disappointed

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tbh that one is bad enough that it should probably be directly in the relic description

chrome lantern
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This is actually absurd at this point

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Why are jmods more active in the community discord than the actual official platforms of putting out important information

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Also how tf am I supposed to know where to find any of that information even if I go to that discord

meager flame
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theres like a channel called jagex information where they just randomly come by and do a huge info dump of how things work

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transmutation has a couple of really significant caveats too

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for example

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if you use it on runes to turn them into pure essence they're noted so its not an rc solve alone

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bars are not included at all but that's in the description at least

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when it says gems that's a lie

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its gems up to dragonstone

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etc

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i think they're kind of doing so much and also creating exceptions that actually getting this information out to people is going to be damn near impossible without just writing a book lol

round lintel
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tbh i dont like having 30 discord servers

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but that other disc does give more information than this about leagues, and more info that even blogpost

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My Relics:

T1 - Barbarian Gathering
T2 - Woodsman
T3 - TBD but most likely Evil Eye
T4 - Clue Relic (Good points and the other 2 are not really solving anything for me)
T5 - Larcenist
T6 - Culling spree but could also be the unrevealed one
T7 - Idk but if the better option is reloaded then ill reload to Nature's accord
T8 - I dont like the options revealed lets see once we have the third relic

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this is what so far is my path

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Doom shits out bones (for once this is kinda good)

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so no need for more prayer and I can also mine bone shards which is really good mining xp

meager flame
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idk what im doing because i really need to know everything to pick like

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im gonna build for some fun/interesting combat idea like earth magic tank or whatever but

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i need to know what echo items do and so on

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because maybe they'll be necessary

round lintel
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Woodsman lets me process my potions, my bars without using blast furnace

meager flame
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and then i'll have to pick relics to fit those areas

round lintel
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and fletching goes hard

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also crafting becomes free

chrome lantern
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The only things I know for sure:
-Picking Morytania
-Not picking Desert
-Not picking Grimoire

round lintel
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can cook fast

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Agility is decently slow and now without Misthalin even slower

meager flame
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i do think kandarin is probably making a return for anyone using magic tho

round lintel
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tbf Kandarin was a good region when we didnt have rancour/conflictions, occult was 10%

meager flame
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zeah also looking pretty op for like everyone lol

chrome lantern
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I don't think I plan to pick zeah

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Could change my mind but I don't expect to tbh

round lintel
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I like zeah

chrome lantern
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I've picked it a couple times and I just don't want to do that many CoX

meager flame
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ya thats the problem with it

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cox is by far the worst raid

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but

chrome lantern
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CoX especially suffers from recent Leagues tbh because they keep leaning into having one good style and two unusable styles

meager flame
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if it turns out you also want another raid area its more okay

round lintel
chrome lantern
meager flame
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not in leagues

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it has phases and rooms that cant go faster

round lintel
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it sucks in leagues

meager flame
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tob ends up blowing everything out of the water because of that

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also because jagex wont put in the work

chrome lantern
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It is true though that the changes to prayer scrolls is pretty significant but it's still a feelsbad

meager flame
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so cox cant guarantee purples

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where the other two do

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so its slow and the loot is worse

round lintel
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I was doing 1+7 and still not getting purples in CMs

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xD

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I got sick of it so I sent a regular cox and got a tbow

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lmao

meager flame
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tbh

round lintel
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well the voucher but it was a tbow pick

meager flame
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if i were them i would've made a league layout

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so the raid could at least have some pacing in leagues that makes sense

round lintel
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I pick zeah because there is alot of low/mid lvl stuff when you are starting

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so easy points

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then cox for megarare

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low lvl agility course, low lvl farming training without relics/low lvl slayer mobs

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chins

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for some range training

meager flame
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tbf though i also think they should just straight up invest in cox in general

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and make it have its own loot room and solve all of the problems

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but they seem unwilling

round lintel
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yeah i guess the mentality is if it works dont break it

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cox is unchanged for a decade

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except for the sword/harpoon taxes/knives

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if clog existed back then id have 7 of those purples

meager flame
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yeah but i wouldn't even be like

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changing anything about the actual rates

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just getting it into workable condition so that we couldn't say "we can't run that much code at once" when a league pops up and they need it to be 100%

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plus loot rooms are just cool and fun

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i'd get it if it were like the gnome restaurant minigame and it just wasn't worth the effort but its a raid so idk

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i just think its worth it

true talon
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Ancestral is beyond stupid to obtain

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Also fuck vangaurds

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better your gear gets the worst those fucking things become

round lintel
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In regulars you hit too hard you reset them

analog wing
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hello, are there any wilderness updates planned for 2026?

nocturne solstice
analog wing
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looks like nothing Wilderness related, unfortunately... 🙁

nocturne solstice
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Yeah nothing big planned

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The recent wildy rework wasn't listed either though so you might get some balance changes here and there but otherwise not really

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on the plus side, any pvm update with new gear is new toys to use in pvp too CringeHarold

lyric sphinx
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Pirate boat blog today?

chrome lantern
solar dirge
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really hate how that's normalized. "because of some external temporary event, we'll be neglecting the main game entirely this week." $15 btw

halcyon jasper
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Anybody else unable to use dialogue options on mobile after the update?

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Trying to start a new nmz rumble and can’t tap yes to start

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Nvm, restart sorted it. Panic over

kindred crescent
chrome lantern
weary stag
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"Speaking of rewards, this activity will be primarily focused on its rewards"

That worked really well for trawling, good choice

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:l

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Briny leather looks good for the rcb diamond bolt man, rng str in the mid game finally

chrome lantern
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Why are they polling a facility for doing what assigning crew to repair should already do?

weary stag
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Jagex loves polling "should we do what we should've done" xD

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Maybe they can sell to their investors that it's positive community feedback or something

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Something something engagement bait etc

solid trout
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i feel like ranged strength on each of these is a bit overtuned.
Crossbows are already really good for midlevel accounts, this does make Kree also kinda more useless midgame because its just a straight upgrade to Armadyl armor. Would need to do some calcs on how much dps increase this actually is for stuff like the sunlight crossbow.

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we are trading basically 15 ranged accuracy per item per +1 ranged strength

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compared to armadyl

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that seams really really good for general slayer with a sunlight crossbow

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not to mention the upgraded versions

chrome lantern
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I put my feedback in the survey
Basically I said that the base stats shouldn't be worse than black d'hide and, like with the str bonuses, it should sit halfway between black d'hide-tier and Masori specifically when using heavy ranged while its base stats with other ranged styles still match normal black d'hide-tier gear
Then I said that the new facility just does what you should already be able to do by default by assigning crew to repair, so it's a dumb item/facility to add
Then I said that Sailing sucks at a fundamental level because it was designed to have xp rates and activities that encourage you to interact with the skill for as little time and effort as possible
I said that the skill does not integrate with the game at all
I said that the rewards have inane drop rates that clearly reflect the mentality of someone who thinks they're a gigachad for killing tens of thousands of demons for radiant oathplate contracts rather than realizing that bad game design is bad and that they can directly influence that design
Especially in light of the fact that the uniques have very small benefit and are not designed or intended to be endgame in the long run
Then I said that I don't really want any specific small, quality-of-life changes because the skill needs way too many fundamental changes at a base level to even consider small QoL

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Thank you for reading my block of text (or not)

quiet plank
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New heavy ranged armor sounds very cool. I think it'll give a lot more reason to interact with sailing. Should integrate sailing into an accounts progression a lot better

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I'll have to get it for vorkath I think

chrome lantern
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I definitely question the fact that they make the heavy ranged gear just worse than black d'hide when not using heavy ranged

ashen yarrow
chrome lantern
quiet plank
chrome lantern
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Yeah the sanctity of black d'hide needs to be protected

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xd

solid trout
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AGS? maybe

weary stag
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Zcb go brrr still

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Wait I'm dumb

quiet plank
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Black dhides definitely very iconic. There's a reason jagex has made sure stuff like the whip and nezzy helm still have a big place in account progression

solid trout
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lol

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and neither is the ACB

weary stag
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Ye haha

solid trout
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that is a marginally better rune crossbow/the rune bolt specer

weary stag
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100% not worth

solid trout
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but there is plenty of reason to kill Zilly

ashen yarrow
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and to break down for masori i guess

solid trout
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so now it dosnt feel like upgrading the two best armors to make the bis, it feels like a chore for irons or bot tax for mains

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what iron in their right mind would farm Kree after this update?

ashen yarrow
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every ironman who wants to do clues or masori, like before

oblique mesa
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Good gwd is unfun boomer content

solid trout
ashen yarrow
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if you didnt do clues or masori you already ignored kree as ironman

weary stag
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Man I fuckin hate gwd xD

quiet plank
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It won't be dead

solid trout
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i did one of each GWD for key and diary

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never returned lol

quiet plank
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You already didn't have a reason to get armadyl armor unless you were making masori

weary stag
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Actually nex is actually hella fun in 2/3/4's

timber drift
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why are we adding more rewards and dev time to what is probably the weakest part of sailing while they're stating its not a combat skill like 4x in the blog?

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why not focus on the good parts of it and improve that or add more content for it

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mystifying

quiet plank
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Would you use the new gloves or just barrows gloves?

weary stag
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General rule of thumb is if it adds rng str then you use that

quiet plank
timber drift
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but its not a combat skill

vivid ruin
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Raids 5

ashen yarrow
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people want sailing to be integrated to main game gear progression by providing gear, why are they adding gear to main game kekw

vivid ruin
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Its an everything skill

weary stag
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A little more in depth looks at how much rng str you've got and hm more u need to pass the max hit threshold

quiet plank
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Think this'll be better than void void for vorkath?

timber drift
chrome lantern
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Void is pretty bad unless you have near max ranged and DHCB so probably

weary stag
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Void is kinda weird cuz it's not accurate but is strong, so probably

vivid ruin
timber drift
vivid ruin
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Raids 5 anyways

ashen yarrow
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new armor is basically +2 max hits to crossbows over black d'hide

timber drift
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seems weird

weary stag
ashen yarrow
weary stag
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Cracked

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Rng str is such a rare stat that adding that armour is gonna throw a lot off

lament ridge
weary stag
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There's what.. 9 items that give rng str, and some of them are junk unless you have other pieces, like the ven ring

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I think the new amulet + ven ring is a max hit, so it finally has uses xD

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Tbow is the new shadow.. XD

ashen yarrow
chrome lantern
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Technically karil not getting buff because ammy of damned still better right

quiet plank
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Is karils ever better than rcb or shcb anyways?

frozen lion
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pirate's special keg containing multiple buff drinks would be nice

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we already struggle with facility spots

ashen yarrow
chrome lantern
ashen yarrow
frozen lion
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3 drinks at once would be great

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optimally sloop should be able to be cannon+salv or trawling at all times

sturdy tartan
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Anyone getting asked to log in way more often in mobile lately?
Not sure if related to the changes they made

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Ive had to put pass + verification 4 times in a few hours just because of a few disconections

ashen yarrow
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if you failed to login (connection issue) it will ask you to do it next time you log in, i think

sturdy tartan
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No, ive logged in, played, lost signal for a few seconds and on reconnecting been asked to do the whole process again

weary stag
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If you've got a vpn doing it's thing, it might be interfering

sturdy tartan
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Nope, just mobile 5g

still badger
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any actual info about what a demonic pact is?
not about what effects they have, but the rules behind it thinks like how do you unlock them and such

frozen lion
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i guess bosun bench could be used if used on combat focused sloop

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on hybrid no place for it

stark dome
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Fits on a salvage hybrid I reckon

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But trawling takes up so much space

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They should REALLY let us put it in the chum station spot

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So it can fit on a skiff

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Yeah I could deff make room for it on my hybrid sloop. Just a bit tight

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patent cargo
frozen lion
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Keg has to get upgrade to mix multiple drinks or with time there will be just no place for kegs

stark dome
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Thatd be nice yeah. Not sure its mandatory, but great potential reward for future content

tender harness
north prairie
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Dont see a date for this sailing update, is that still tbd?

ashen yarrow
south void
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Revert sailing, even frost dragons profit is so low now it's not worth doing. (At least they point out I don't have to engage with it if I don't want to.)

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In all seriousness, where do y'all see usage of the heavy ranged armor being useful in the main game ?

ashen yarrow
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hunter's sunlight crossbow in mid game, maybe low budget crossbow toa/vorkath ancestralhmm

south void
ashen yarrow
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if you have dhcb and no masori then can use on olm too

south void
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Wouldn't ballista be brought back and be used more in pvp with this new armor or is ballista use still dead to void only builds?

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I guess the effort to obtain vs. cost may be a factor

ashen yarrow
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void ballista is higher max hit than new armor

south void
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Ok thanks

ashen yarrow
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new armor is +1-2 max hits depending on gear compared to dhide

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+13 ranged attack over dhide

south void
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Figured as much just didn't do the calcs myself, didn't want to yes vote a hidden pvp upgrade by accident (joking)

ashen yarrow
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in pvp it could be used instead of karils (with crossbow as ranged weapon), assuming price is around karil's. same defences, slightly better accuracy and higher max hit

south void
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Thank you, just wanted to explain this to the clanmates asking about it

tender harness
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This is a brand new mid-level armour set focused on heavy ranged combat, making it especially useful for Cannons, Crossbows, and any other heavy ranged setups
why are we making armor to buff cannon damage now?

south void
tender harness
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this is like arguably one of the worst ways to fix combat

south void
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Cue the confusion

ashen yarrow
cyan vault
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Heavy ranged armour? Pernix when?

south void
tender harness
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would rather they address I dont know the fact that literally no sailing material right now is used for anything outside of sailing

south void
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If sailing would've been introduced with only combat in mind, it would have piqued my interest way more than what they introduced. Although I guess that skill would've been called "Pirating" as my expectations for sailing were entirely combat based

languid ravine
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its funny to me you cant have another player sail you to an island because leaving the boat has a sailing level req

meager flame
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More fence sitting stupidity lol sailing isn’t a combat skill but hey here’s its own combat style and type and npcs ammo and look we’re making armor for it that’s totally for the main game except it’s not

compact nebula
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With the new character switcher on mobile - if you time out it signs you all the way out

fallow drift
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Some of you along with Jagex say that sailing is NOT a combat skill. Then explain why even have combat abilities related to sailing then?
This would be like them introducing herblore and then you could throw poison pots on NPCs to poison them, no? This all just feels so silly and the arguments are like throwing mud at each other until the other stops and you both got nowhere. Jagex needs to get some kind of backbone and come up with something and say this is it and that's what it's going to be. The way things are going, sailing is never going to feel like it is in a solid spot, forever needing updates or controversy. It's all exhausting and I'm sure the Jmods are tired of the "non combat skill" being relentlessly updated for combat.

placid shuttle
languid ravine
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"This is definitely something we're focusing on feeling as smooth as possible, and partially why we wanted to recruit some more playtesters to test this out before it goes live. 🙂 Make sure to fill in the survey at the bottom of the blog if you can as it contains the questions needed to be contacted potentially for a remote playtest. 🙂 We're looking at sometime in late April."

didnt put the membership cost to hiring QA

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updates wont be promising so long as they dont even have the man power to make them

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relying on reddit and players xd

gleaming karma
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Wait so is the only update being able to switch characters on mobile?

meager flame
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Yeah I’m ngl nobody should go do unpaid labor for jagex the way things have been lately

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They should at least give people membership or something to not feel embarrassed

ashen yarrow
gleaming karma
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Man oh man how times have changed. What a sad state of the game the dev team has turned this into

meager flame
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Honestly they’re kinda lucky that a lot of that stuff passed a poll previously

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Idk if people would let it pass now

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They maybe should run something just to get a temperature check to make sure it’s something they should even be doing but they probably don’t want to waste effort they already made

south void
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Torn between voting yes on everything just to get something into the game to finish the development time on it, or voting no and hoping they move onto something else non sailing related.

meager flame
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I think they’re going full forestry and just pissing people off by even talking about it lol

inner pelican
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what happened with forestry anyway

meager flame
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Devs that don’t agree with players but still produce 15 updates due to it not being received well

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Unwilling to give people what they ask for repeatedly though

placid shuttle
# south void Torn between voting yes on everything just to get something into the game to fin...

I was thinking the same thing. I get the sense from the blog that they are so tired of it.

We aren't currently planning a major expansion to Sailing combat beyond what's outlined here. However, introducing NPC ship combat requires building a significant amount of underlying infrastructure – something that could support future content for Sailing combat further down the line. That said, anything of that scale would be well beyond the Player-Designed Island (Wyrmscraig) and likely not something you'd see this year.

It won't be good after just this update so I'm gonna have to no vote so they can just move on. They need to cut their loses at some point, this sunk cost fallacy has gone on too long

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If people keep voting yes, its just going to drag on forever

ashen yarrow
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people think voting no on something would stop them from working on sailing stuff kekw

meager flame
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Nah it works

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Look at PvP

tacit wharf
placid shuttle
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lmao if Jagex isn't careful Sailing will turn into the next Wilderness

meager flame
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We can end sailing if people just start saying no

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It shouldn’t get to that point but they’re asking for it

ashen yarrow
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yes if somehow turn the sailing haters from minority to overwhelming majority you could then maybe stop sailing development after couple years

meager flame
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That’s what they’re in the process of doing somehow

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It’s been shifting since the skill came out where it went from a bunch of people saying give them time with vocal haters

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To almost purely negative sentiment whenever they talk about it

ashen yarrow
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its been shifting since price changes, people are not saying it because of sailing though

meager flame
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They need a W or it’s really going to happen

ashen yarrow
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anything they do will be hit with similar negativity, even if they released raids 4 instead of sailing it wouldnt change

meager flame
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Nah look at the league reveals yesterday

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Almost pure excitement

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Good updates are still received well

ashen yarrow
meager flame
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Some people sure but they’re the overwhelming minority

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Idk if you can’t see the tone shift I’m not sure what to say lol

inner pelican
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i'm def leaning no to everything when i wouldn'd have around launch

gleaming karma
inner pelican
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they're dropping too many balls

meager flame
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Ya like I voted yes to sailing and now I’m looking at it like

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Maybe time to put this out of its misery

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Idk it’s just the practical reality of it just not being very good

south void
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I've gotten past the membership cost increase upset by paying for less membership on multiple accounts.

Most are still upset, and it's reflected in the downvotes as well as sarcastic responses on socials.

I voted no to sailing, interacted with it on multiple account builds just to see it's "use cases" and still feel like it was a waste of dev time and continues to be that.

ashen yarrow
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I really dont get why people have the mind set of everything needs to be voted yes or everything needs to be voted no depending on if you are happy with jagex or not

meager flame
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It’s not about being happy with jagex for me at least

inner pelican
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i'll say yes to sail customs

meager flame
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It’s because sailing content just fucking sucks lmao

inner pelican
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but combat stuff isn't worth it

meager flame
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Like the movement was good I think the barracuda trials were well made

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And that’s where the good stuff ends

inner pelican
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they're dropping everything to fix what can't realistically be fixed instead of leaning into what's better about the skill

zinc galleon
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Why isn’t the leather armor following the other leather patterns of 1 defense for stuff other than the body?

meager flame
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The sea charting stuff wasn’t bad either but it’s hard to count that as like major content

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Since that’s a one time experience

south void
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This is the simple version in my head of what is happening:

Jagex: We want you to go in circles with boat upgrades that's what sailing is, sailing.

Players: We want to kill things for good drops, big cannon go boom and I get big money yay, fun stuff go boom. "Pirating".

Jagex: We hear you but sailing isn't part of the main game and we don't like "Pirating" as an ideal part of sailing.

Players: We want sailing to be part of the main game too so include "Pirating".

Jagex: We hear you but we don't want combat in sailing so we'll give you dozens of small inconvenient updates until we get Leauges, Blood Moon Rises, and Raids 4 finished so everyone forgets about sailing combat by the end of year.

meager flame
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It would be cool if they would stop just saying shit in blogs like they’re gonna jedi mind trick people with it too

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Like how it’s not a combat skill despite having everything for a unique combat skill or comparing the pirates to tds while explaining the exp shouldn’t be good

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Meanwhile their literal example is huge gp and exp

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Like lol

ashen yarrow
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so what should they use as example to td intensity level combat that is not td and provides no rewards?

meager flame
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Yeah if they want what they’re saying to make logical sense

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I mean I guess they could say we want this to be like tds minus being rewarding

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But people might not react to the truth as well

south void
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I've killed over 5,000 torm demons, and had 13 synapses and 14 claws. The average loot sucks balls but when you hit the synapse/claw it makes it so much more worth it.

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In my case, if I "kill" 5,000 NPC pirate ships, the value of that would have to be on par with my demon log and just as easy with max "ship"/"gear" for me to even consider interacting with it.

ashen yarrow
meager flame
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Yeah but the whole thing just demonstrates how they’re all over the place with how they think things should work

south void
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TD mechanics:
Attack, pray accordingly, use style change, avoid fireball, (option to use punish mechanic or not), thralls negate third pray option for tds, repeat until dead.

meager flame
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Yeah we don’t want things to give gp and exp but the complexity is about like fighting tds (where we don’t apply this logic at all)

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It’s just silly lmao

ashen yarrow
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so they are not allowed to say any examples about difficulty or complexity because every ingame example can be correlated to ingame reward be it money or xp?

south void
meager flame
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It’s the craziest sales pitch of all time they’re drawing attention to something apparently as engaging

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That’s actually a way better use of your time

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It’s like yeah it’s like that thing over there but actually we don’t want it to be as good lol

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They’ve also got the unpopular thing going on with it where basically

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They’re trying to include regular combat and ship combat but one can’t do the other and so on

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They’re just trying to make this not good

south void
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See NPC Ship
Crewmates start cannoning NPC Ship
NPC's crawl onto your ship
Crewmates stop cannoning NPC Ship
Damage to NPC Ship is paused
Player gear/mechanics must kill NPC
Once NPC is killed by player crewmates continue to cannon NPC Ship
NPC Ship sinks
Player gets loot

meager flame
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Like if we’re gonna do regular combat let me board the other boat so I can move around and do the combat stuff that’s actually good

south void
ashen yarrow
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sounds like interesting mechanic that follows player opinion poll answers of players being integrated part of ship combat. makes player interact with different mechanics in the combat instead of just attacking and afking

meager flame
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Like lol if I’m just standing on my boat praying range while I ice barrage pirates on the other 3x3 boat or whatever it’s gonna be a little rough

ashen yarrow
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yes, it might make fight slower which players who only care about reward and kill time might hate

meager flame
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I’d rather disable the other ship and board something larger to go actually fight with standard combat

south void
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Ideally, I wouldn't want to interact with NPC on my ship with player gear/mechanics. Just remove the NPC climbs aboard my ship part from the whole pitch. Ship vs. Ship combat only.

ashen yarrow
meager flame
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Yeah actually our boats aren’t big enough

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So movement will feel bad on our boats for standard combat like

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You’ll probably be clicking random stuff and have a handful of tiles to play on

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It would be a way better space to play in if you boarded a pirate ship and it was just a larger play space for interesting combat to happen in

ashen yarrow
south void
meager flame
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Tbf I don’t even think ship v ship would be bad

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That might actually be good for sailing itself

south void
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Which means, now they have to make larger ships, taking more dev time, and it just continues on and on and on

meager flame
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You could both move around and actually make use of what sailing does well which is movement

south void
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And they have to remove any hitboxes for items ON the ship during the NPC boarding to avoid misclicking anything other than the NPC

meager flame
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They could drop things in the water for you to dodge etc and try to escape while you chase

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That might actually do well

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Probably thematically makes more sense if I’m the pirate too honestly

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Would be weird for the pirates to run from you

south void
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This is what I imagine would have to happen:

See NPC Ship
Crewmates start cannoning NPC Ship
NPC's crawl onto your ship
Crewmates stop cannoning NPC Ship
Damage to NPC Ship is paused
Player gear/mechanics must kill NPC THEN:

Larger ships for players would need to be developed OR an instanced larger space where your camera zooms in to only include a 5x5 space to do player mechanics/fight the NPC. NPC is defeated, instance ends, then:

Once NPC is killed by player crewmates continue to cannon NPC Ship
NPC Ship sinks
Player gets loot

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Sorry, I had that addition in the wrong placement continuity wise.

ashen yarrow
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they could change it board enemy ship, would indeed make easier to choreograph the fight without needing to take into account player ship size and facility layout. Might have to change fight from either killing all or breaking hull to needing to do both, like first cannon ship and then board it to fight pirates

south void
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Fighting on the NPC ship, makes sense too.

ashen yarrow
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they did hint at possible 50 player ship but havent heard anything about that since near launch

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the blog suggested 2 different options to win pirate fight, either kill all pirates or break ship hull to end the fight. So i assume with enough stats would be possible to avoid fighting pirates on your ship and just focus on breaking hull while tanking them

sacred skiff
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Also, re: our crewmates freaking out when pirates board (likely akin to how they behave if you sail into the currently forbidden oceans, or the areas that require a certain hull/keel to enter): Can we train them to, like, not?

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We've got a ghost, a werewolf, and a pirate. All of those should be people you can teach to actually defend the ship

south void
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I feel like honestly they could just do away with crewmates getting scared when someone boards. They only included that to extend kill time as a filler.

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They sign up, knowing dangerous shit happens on the open seas.

ashen yarrow
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I just find it funny when i think hcim or uim sailing and randomly getting boarded by pirate raiders

south void
tidal cove
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I don't take regular crew, I hire mercs and keep em below deck, I want to get boarded

south void
sacred skiff
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The boardings will continue until sailing combat morale improves

frozen lion
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stop with these leagues news forsenY

restive storm
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PLEASE stop @ing all with leagues stuff man my god we dont care

south void
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Whoops

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But yes, agree it's too much

solid trout
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resets being limited is terrible, it makes it so you need to hardlock yourself depending on certain grinds during the league and do everything you possibly can with that style

south void
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One update about leagues before the event starts and after it begins and when it ends: 3 pings in total for leagues would have been fine.

frozen lion
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can't wait for another 20 news DURING leagues for changes forsenY

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1 league 100 @ all news forsenY

restive storm
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being in the boat where i couldnt possibly care less about leagues, but am really hopeful they might release actual main game news, its obnoxious getting SPAM @d by game news everyday and its just random leagues stuff - is the most obnoxious thing ever

kind surge
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why isn't there a league news role

solar dirge
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a seperate announcement channel would be far better so I can just mute it

kind sail
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last league I did they had their own disc that they did that shit in

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just use that

kind surge
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I'm not even being pinged because I got no roles

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but it just makes sense to do that

kind sail
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this was cute 3 years ago but leagues has lost its magic

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they're beating a horse to death

solar dirge
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predatory seasonal f2p nonsense in my subscription game ($15 BTW)

south void
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Go +1 that if you agree ^

restive storm
#

done

meager flame
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also low key

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i guess today also confirms that more content was removed from the roadmap

south void
meager flame
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actually no i misread they're just not planning to do any more combat expansions

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i thought originally i had read that they were just done with sailing for the year

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which would've meant that the other sailing stuff they talked about wasn't happening

south void
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Ah, to be fair, their wording is like my 6 year old trying to explain physics

meager flame
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although idk if i even want the other sailing content they talked about

restive storm
meager flame
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like honestly i dont even need a new barracuda trial

kind surge
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it's just so weird that they're giving up on sailing combat

meager flame
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the quests i guess are fine but like

kind surge
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so we're not gonna have sailing pvp north of wildy either?

restive storm
meager flame
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yeah im about done with sailing lol just give me islands to do fun stuff on and its good

kind surge
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we need the jank

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I'm just disappointed in how sailing came out to be

meager flame
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yeah same sailing combat could be really cool but

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im at 0% faith in them

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so if they just stick to giving me islands from here on im probably happy with that

restive storm
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yeah imo cut losses, design more islands, and work on rewards from current content

meager flame
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like we cant even get shooting at npcs to be fun

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god help us if they try ship pvp

restive storm
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theyre unable to design current pvp content that people will do with mechanics that have been around 20 years, what makes anyone think they can design it for a new system

south void
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Everything surrounding sailing has been not-fun for me. I only interacted with it out of constantly being told by yes vote clan members that "sailing is fun you haven't even tried all it has to offer".

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Now that I've tried, on multiple account builds, "all sailing has to offer", I still disagree that it's "fun".

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When the alpha/beta came out, I feel they should've asked a LOT of questions from the community about what we thought sailing should be AND them actually implement it.

restive storm
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yea i kinda knew it was doomed when we went thru alpha/beta with basically 0 core changes

meager flame
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i just dont know wtf they're gonna do now because lol

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sailing is not remotely finished

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and by finished i mean in like a fully realized state that can then be updated like most other skills forever

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we're missing tons of oceans

south void
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There's no Beginning-Middle-End that's foreseeable, I agree.

meager flame
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like lol

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we're probably in a content cycle for 2 years where they add things and quests to oceans we cant go to yet just so its not really weird

restive storm
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its also a struggle because now that im 99 sailing, theres no like content that would ever make me wanna get back on my boat... so every sailing update is just dead content to me 🙁

meager flame
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like the whole right side of the map

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its glaring and weird that we cant sail over there

south void
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Thing is, I don't WANT more sailing quests that only give rewards to do more sailing.

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Sailing rewards to do more sailing is my issue, all around.

meager flame
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thats why i hope we can focus on island design

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since that's how sailing is going to integrate with everything

restive storm
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i sorta agree and disagree - its just because i hate actually sailing though. Like i agree in the game sense it needs to tie in a lot more. But because i hate sailing so much i dont want it to cuz i dont wanna be forced into doing it lol

meager flame
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i swear to god though if we get a sea released and its more tiny islands with a thieving chest

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i will vote no to every sailing update until the end of time

south void
restive storm
stray ibex
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Did they actually confirm what "+10 Heavy Ranged and +1 Ranged Strength." meant? Could literally still be 10 heavy ranged strength and 1 "normal" ranged strength if you look at how they did the rest of the armour. Just wish they worded it different in blog.

meager flame
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im assuming if the number is that big its accuracy

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but i'd have to look at the blog

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yeah its under ranged atk so accuracy

round lintel
# restive storm its also a struggle because now that im 99 sailing, theres no like content that ...

I was a sailing hater prerelease, not a huge fan of it but it isnt thag bad to get 99, is not slow like RC, Agility, slayer, WC, mining. That for me is makes it a 99 and done (althought I didnt get pet so Im 18M xp) on the iron on the other hand I hate it due to resources and frost dragons but Marlins are reeeally good and deepsea trawling isnt the best to set up on an iron but sure is better fish x hr than anything without special baits

meager flame
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the heavy range str only stats are all like +1 or +2

stray ibex
meager flame
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yeah i see what you mean

south void
meager flame
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you could read that sentence either way

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they should just clarify

stray ibex
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yeah exactly

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wondered if they did already, but guess not

meager flame
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but yeah +10 ranged str would be

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actually kind of nuts for a set bonus

stray ibex
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but I agree that ranged attack for the +10 would be the only sensible haha

restive storm
stray ibex
meager flame
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also im happy about today's league update for the most part

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40 points is enough to make it very interesting

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definitely a hybrid league

lunar blade
meager flame
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theres a lot of that with sailing lmao

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like

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theres a step of the development process where they stop and ask how to sabotage

restive storm
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the fact that the best change they made to sailing was adding all the double spots... which they initially told me no on my similar idea to during alpha/beta is pretty bad

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and then once every1 complained on release they FINALLY let us afk it

meager flame
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like yeah lets make these cool npcs that drop something to build parts on your ship so you're traveling around the world doing stuff to upgrade

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and then some demonic personality comes out and they're like but the drop rate is 1 in 5000

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lmao they did it to everything in sailing its actually funny

south void
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A little off-topic but related to ornament kits like the soul reaper axe one being a reward for leagues:

Why has there been no ornament kit for shadow or tbow, but one exists for scythe?

Anyone feel noxious halberd should have an ornament kit as it's one of those weapons that replaced a lot of use cases?

restive storm
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i feel like thats partially cuz they just wanted to buy more time from irons hitting the "end" of the skill and start complaining alongside mains

meager flame
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but people freaked out because it was dmm

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so we dont get any now

south void
meager flame
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yup

south void
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Well shit.....

meager flame
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they had a kit to make everything look like the corrupted megarares from dmm

south void
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Oh wait but that's a recolor

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I don't want a recolor, so that's valid. I want an actual kit to lower death fees lol

plucky canyon
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We even just jokingly call the skill salvaging now lol

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Rosewood anything and dragon cannons are a meme grind for irons

round lintel
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so it wasnt that bad

stiff bough
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I'd like to board pirate boats, maybe with a mithril grapple or plank. Ranged or Magic is not realistic pirate fighting.

tidal cove
grave spoke
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I bought dragon crossbows since they are good now (jk)

chrome lantern
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Just read the leagues reveal today, and man, I really wish they would just let us change our pacts at will

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So restrictive in what’s supposed to be a fun gamemode

idle rapids
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They already tried the infinite respec thing with shattered relics league and it was the least popular

chrome lantern
chrome lantern
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Just needed unlocks to actually matter and not unlock the entire game trivially easy, and have a better UI/actually have presets

idle rapids
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Agree to disagree

round lintel
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back in leagues 3, I was 10% the player I am today, so I really didnt shine in leagues 3. I got addy rank.

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and felt it took a looong time to get there

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awn I cant post the link about my leagues pact rout

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does anyone know why?

meager flame
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theres just so much gameplay in there that 3 respecs probably isn't really enough

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obviously they're just farming us for additional membership fees and its scum behavior but just as a game for fun

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they should probably let you somehow earn as many respecs as you want

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and honestly the rest of leagues have always had an issue with that too but at least there it kinda sorta makes sense because

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if you could swap relics you'd just hop between them to max your skills etc

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but changing your combat style isn't really like that i could probably think of more than 4 builds that would be interesting and that doesn't even count someone making a mistake

chrome lantern
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I saw someone suggest you get a free reroll once a week or even up to once a day

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Probably could start with a reroll too

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That way you don't just respec for every encounter (if that's the concern) but can actually make changes and play with it a bit

thorny kite
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Honestly even if it was something goofy like only 3 complete respecs but your latest 10 demonic pact points could be reallocated at will, would be sweet

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Let’s you play around with perk points and experiment before fully committing

meager flame
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i mean if it were just about the gameplay you'd have a way to earn more rerolls or even fully reset your account to restart the leagues

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theres no way they can argue the first 4 attempts are a sane place to draw the line and after that choice doesn't matter

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so they had to hold on at 4

chrome lantern
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It's weird to not at least make it 5 as well lmao

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Like why not include all the echoes if you're going to do that

meager flame
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but yeah thats why i say its obviously profit driven

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otherwise though i really like what they did lol its just sad that they're compromised like that it could be even more fun

maiden seal
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the restriction is definitely an issue, leagues 3 i flopped and wasnt fully invested but the restricted locations and skill set despite being an obvious cash grab- it drives a certain set of plans/task routing which for a whacky or lets say- keys to the city/console play of op gameplay its a bit conflicting. ive yet to really look and settle with something because of meta's. i know its a love hate thing but the restrictive locations i dont think is a good way to roll it out for the 'average' player looking for a fun fuck about temp gameplay

meager flame
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the worst part about it is that we actually know they have a solution for this

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we reset our dmm accounts every time we go play a new dmm

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so they can do it lol

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they just want money

maiden seal
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yeah exactly, dmm restricted could be done in the same principle but it would just be too much of a fuck around plus with risk. ill play this league regardless but i feel the fact that i have to plan or choose a route for an over the top op mega powercreep temp game mode very unappealing. buyers remorse- it kind of makes the trailers and content leaks annoying to the point it overrules the 'hype' to more of a headfuck that ill just check the meta the day before from content creators which sort of defeats the point of it in the first place. last leagues was b0aty/faux doing lists? this time itll be varlamore based. I do understand people dont have to do this, but for people that cant invest the time- a quick guide from content creators IS the answer? its like a long quest guide in restricted zones for points. maybe im overthinking but i just think restricting area's really alienates the mass player base. thats my take anyway

stark dome
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Deff overthinking it

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I think shattered relics is largely considered the worst league

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And it was the one without restrictions

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Safe to say some restrictions are good

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Gives variety

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Everything in leagues is free, so opportunity cost is the only real cost left

kindred crescent
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region locking is bad

nocturne solstice
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I like the region locking peepognomeblush

kindred crescent
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dunno why, it’s ridiculous

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to be more specific, ok lock regions but have unlimited unlocks

whole glacier
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i really like the update where they removed ferox -> wildy canoe path

kindred crescent
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Why are you limiting areas

nocturne solstice
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Because it makes it more fun and interesting

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What do you "plan" when every region is unlocked?

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You just have everyone with the same build doing the same thing.

kindred crescent
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You are going to get that anyway

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People are going to meta this crap anyway

nocturne solstice
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You think everyone is going to pick the same 3 regions? Cmon now let's be realistic here.

kindred crescent
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Yeah they are once the meta is found

nocturne solstice
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Yeah nah people who wanna play are gunna play at launch.

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By the time a meta is found probably half are already finished with leagues

kindred crescent
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Unlikely

nocturne solstice
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What do you mean? That's what happened every past league

kindred crescent
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Restrictions like this remove variety, not encourage it

whole glacier
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when it's realized they are weaker than the meta i wonder what will happen

nocturne solstice
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well except shattered relics

kindred crescent
nocturne solstice
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Usually they express frustration and quit or go on an alt.

whole glacier
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yea. jagex good at that

kindred crescent
chrome lantern
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I do think you can still have planning though

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Even if you eventually unlock everything

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In fact, it can make planning even more important

kindred crescent
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Just have unlimited unlocks. I don’t understand the continued restriction

chrome lantern
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If you make the unlocks actually meaningful

nocturne solstice
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Seems to me people are having a lot of fun planning, that's why there's so many videos, channels, and even websites made for it.

chrome lantern
nocturne solstice
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Prev leagues they just had excel spreadsheets this time they got a whole damn website

tacit wharf
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if u want brain turn off, just watch someone's yt bid

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vid

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its that ez

nocturne solstice
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You can very much go in blind if you wanted to and it wont matter that much anyway especially this one. You'll still get OP, you'll still get enough points for dragon.

chrome lantern
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It's very very feasible to actually unlock everything eventually while still having planning be significant

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You just have to make that threshold to unlock everything higher

kindred crescent
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The next league better have no unlocks or no restrictions cos the experiment isn’t working

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don’t understand why they continue to do it

nocturne solstice
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You could suffer a bit for lvling a few skills but if you just have game knowledge you dont gotta plan for that its just "Oh i can lvl prayer faster with wildy or varlamore bone shards"

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Well i told you why, you don't have to like it but other people do.

nocturne solstice
whole glacier
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hey pingu do you know when the canoe from ferox-> wildy will be fixed?

nocturne solstice
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No i'm just a discord mod bro I don't work on the game

whole glacier
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surely you know someone

nocturne solstice
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I know many people

whole glacier
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with the ability to do something about it

nocturne solstice
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i know a few someones

whole glacier
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or is it purposeful? not sure what was going thru the dev's mind.

tacit wharf
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just walk broski

whole glacier
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shut up

nocturne solstice
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Well thats rude

chrome lantern
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[[Revenant cave teleport]]

tacit wharf
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i could but i feel like i shouldnt now

ornate wolfBOT
tacit wharf
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etube with the assist

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hunter/max cape

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to chin spot

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u got the obelisk to 35

whole glacier
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are these f2p?

tacit wharf
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well no, why would i restrict myself

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or is this for f2p pkri's?

whole glacier
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i farm mossy keys, i spawn in ferox

tacit wharf
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ahhh, well walking is the play then

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gl

feral mountain
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Yo new mobile update is terrible. I have to log in every single time i open app now and auth. And i got blockrd from website for doing it so much

kindred crescent
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"osrs league going full "we want the PoE audience" and now im no longer interested at all"

heard this from a friend, yeah that is interesting

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the combat mastery skill tree mess

languid ravine
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dont mind skill trees but the POE style trees are massively overcomplicated

nocturne solstice
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It is pretty complicated ngl

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Im just not gunna think too much about it and click stuff 😅

round lintel
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I think mage and melee are the complicated ones

nocturne solstice
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i havent looked at mage but melee split is pretty complicated

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hard to decide what to build into

round lintel
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whats the difference between accumulating 100% accuracy vs 150% accuracy?

nocturne solstice
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1h with thorn is nice for early game but when you're only gunna be using eldermaul and scythe late game its hard not to just go all in on the 2h perks

round lintel
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isnt it the same?

nocturne solstice
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having 100% increased acc is not the same as having 100% accuracy

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if you had 10 acc and get 100% its 20 acc now

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25 with 150%

round lintel
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+100% accuracy in all combat styles

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this is what the website says

nocturne solstice
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yes so your mage, range, and stab/crush/slash stats get a +100% boost

round lintel
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+90% chance to Regenerate runes, ammo and charges
*Regenerate: Whenever you use runes to cast a spell, fire ammunition from a ranged weapon or consume charges with a charged weapon there is a % chance to generate an additional resource spent
+20 permanent Defence level boost
You have a +5% chance per attack in any style to roll max accuracy, this is increased by 5% for each tile distance between you and your target
+3% Ranged damage
Bows attack 1 tick (0.6s) faster
Ranged prayers are +30% more effective
While a bow is equipped, Ranged echoes never miss
All bow pacts will not work with an Eclipse Atlatl
Whenever you Regenerate ammo, you have a +25% chance to fire a Ranged echo against the enemy
*Ranged echo: An additional ranged attack which rolls with your ranged accuracy against the targets ranged defence. Echo attacks cannot trigger additional echo attacks
Your minimum hit when attacking with a melee weapon is increased by 3
This minimum hit is further increased by 3 for each additional tile between you and the target
Melee range is doubled whilst using two handed weapons
+100% accuracy in all combat styles
Whenever you attack an enemy from at least 2 tiles away with any style, you restore +2% special attack energy
+4% Melee damage
Your maximum hit when attacking with a melee weapon is increased by +4% and an additional 4% for every 3 tiles of distance between you and your target
If your melee attack range is at least 4, it is increased to 7
All halberds slower than 5 ticks have their attack rate set to 5 ticks (3.0s)
All attacks have +30% Prayer penetration (up to 100%)
Attacking with a melee weapon or Thorns has a +10% chance to heal you based off your distance between you and your target (1 tile = 1 health)
When hitting a target with a two handed melee weapon, you have a +5% chance to trigger a Ranged echo as if you have a bow, crossbow and thrown weapon equipped
Healing with Demonic Pacts overheals you, up to +30% of your base Hitpoints level
+1% Magic damage
This bonus is multiplied by the Tumeken's Shadow special effect
Attack rate with combat spells in a spellbook is sped up by 2 ticks
This cannot reduce attack rate below 2 ticks (1.2s)
Attack rate with powered staves is sped up by 3 ticks
All one handed powered staves have their max hit reduced by 8
This cannot reduce attack rate below 1 tick (0.6s)
Hitting with a bow increases your bows minimum hit by 1, capping at 15% of your base maximum hit. This bonus is halved when you take damage that you didn't or couldn't pray against
For each unique heavy melee weapon (>=1kg) in your inventory, your chance of a Blindbag trigger and the max hit of your Blindbag attacks is increased by 2% up to a maximum of 10% (5 weapons)

nocturne solstice
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wtf

round lintel
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😄

nocturne solstice
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bro i aint readin that

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summarise in 10 words or less

round lintel
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2 tick mage, 3t bows, 7 range hallies with blindbags

nocturne solstice
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thats not a question so I will respond with okay cool peepognomeblush

round lintel
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what question?

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anyways this is what it looks like on my side

true talon
round lintel
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ikr

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this shi isnt leagues

true talon
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Gonna have to make sims for talent builds in osrs

nocturne solstice
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already is one peepognomeblush

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called leagues planner

true talon
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my leagues build

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nocturne solstice
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why the goblin got a gun

true talon
nocturne solstice
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Nah this is an ork bub

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spark agate
lucid laurel
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Do we know whether a corrupted bowfa still uses and regenerates charges in demonic pacts?

ashen yarrow
merry verge
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Wow, south america finally gets worlds, nice! But ehhhhh, more worlds = even more hopping to find action in wilderness.. Please reduce the amount of worlds wildy is available on soon?

lucid laurel
sacred skiff
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Not yet please, just a few kills shy of 3x dry on my last VW piece

ashen yarrow
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We've been working with our data team and want to trial a change that's a little more light touch than taking a cricket bat to the minigame, which we believe should hamper the efforts of botters without massively disadvantaging regular players. Instead of our initial proposal, we'll be starting small and adding the following requirement to Justine's reward shop:

Players must have won a game of Last Man Standing before purchasing any tradeable items from Justine's Stuff for the Last Shopper Standing.
It may sound small, but we believe this change should make it more difficult for rulebreakers to continue spinning up bot farms, since they rarely win games on these illicit characters. Conversely, many players chasing Collection Log entries or even a Rune Pouch tend to land a win or two on the way and will be able to be sufficiently rewarded for their time spent.

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So lms shop update changing from removal to needing 1 win to buy anything

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basically only terminator bots could get rewards, unless they increase the botting scale by a lot. Not sure how ironman and people trying to get rune pouches will feel if they have to win a game though ancestralhmm

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i guess there are already a lot of other ways to get rune pouch and ironman shouldnt be able to default to lms for free money from rune arrows so i feel like this is way better change direction overall

true talon
chrome lantern
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It will unfortunately mean that you can’t easily get msb or ring off wealth scrolls or rune arrows without winning a game

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But it won’t impact buying a rune pouch or looting bag for yourself

ashen yarrow
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oh i completely missed it only being requirement for tradable items. then only early/mid game ironman going for rune arrows affected which is deserved scronglypirate

chrome lantern
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Yeah idm removing the rune arrows but the msb scroll part is slightly unfortunate

ashen yarrow
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msb scroll is 1/300-1/450 from wilderness slayer cave so it isnt terrible to grind there either, unless you are hcim or uim

chrome lantern
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Yeah but that early on its way slower to get it there

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But yeah not really a problem per se

ashen yarrow
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lms wins just might become harder if bots are removed. That could be somewhat of a issue but would encourage actually learning pvp mechanics

languid ravine
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instead of detecting bots they could start detecting ppl who arent bots ancestralhmm

ashen yarrow
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I remember someone suggested jagex should add low skill npcs to lms if they remove bots. That is same as asking jagex to add bots because they remove bots that make gold kekw

blissful topaz
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Left click bone bury option (ground object) would be a great addition to the game, as it was introduced in the new player Jagex blog post. It should be a toggeable option.

somber marsh
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Finally

chrome pier
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So does this mean for lms that for example as an iron, if I wanna buy a msb imbue scroll, id have to win a game first, just because its tradeable?

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minor whale
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More than likely, yes

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Anything tradeable you'll need a win to purchase

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Should mean a lot less bot farms at the content

chrome pier
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Yeah just harder for real people like me who cant pk to save a life 😂 time to practice and get good 🙂

ashen yarrow
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you can still get it from wilderness slayer cave without doing lms

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needing 1 win actually gives reason to learn pvp mechanics and helps players get into pvp scronglycoffee

tacit wharf
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you also have alternative way to progress, without using an msb imbue scroll

fringe rivet
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polling changes to the ancient furnance when it's location is currently an unpolled place sure is something

tacit pendant
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Are they polling the lms win thing? I like it personally because i mean idk git gud and play during off hours for one win, but i do not see it passing a poll lol

chrome lantern
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It will not be polled no

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Jagex gets to put off addressing why BH isn’t in the clog yet again by not removing the clog items they were planning to pull from LMS…

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Add to the collection log:
-Ancient blood ornament kit
-Purifying sigil
-Bounty Hunter uniques

Remove from the collection log:
-All Sailing schematics
-All components of the Medallion of the deep (final form can be in log instead)
-Huasca seeds (that now have 4 sources, just off top of my head)

tough nacelle
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lol literally deleting LMS from the game with this update

chrome lantern
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I don’t really see it that way