game-update

[dry pond]

it just looked off

[ember token]

the RL guy was in the wiki discord the other day asking something about the login screen

so might be a runelite change

[ancient ember]

I've just updated the image in the blog to prevent confusion

[safe hollow]

Whats with the new login screen

Or is it a bug / scaled wrong?

[ashen yarrow]

i think something is not working properly... 122 max hit with dragon cannonballs in elite void + rigour (112 ranged)

[safe hollow]

Time to go kill krakens!

[ashen yarrow]

should have been way higher max hit with the player cannonball buffs

void + rigour on the old cannonball stats would be around 100 max hit

[safe hollow]

Using the right drink in keg?

[ashen yarrow]

yes but that is only +1 max hit

[uncut dust]

How do we work out dps of player on cannon vs using normal gear?

[ancient ember]

That should be the new max hit with that set up yup!

[ashen yarrow]

yeah was my bad trying to calculate the max hits without plugging into gearscape... forgot cannon had ranged str too

[craggy wind]

-# reeeee

[blissful topaz]

Release the left click bone bury ground object option which was introduced in the new players blog released by Jagex.
'

[weary stag]

New canoes seem cool

Would be awesome to have a skill where you're traversing water or something one day maybe

Maybe make the canoe a bit sturdier, stick a sail on it or something one day maybe

[craggy wind]

I would just finish the hook / bottled storm clogs

Hitting 30’s like a peasant

[minor whale]

Ship combat while manning cannons still feels just so so bad

[sacred skiff]

Damn 10k charges to an infinite whistle is sooo many

I got like several thousand going from 87ish when rumors released to 99

[obsidian venture]

I still haven’t shot a cannon once so no clue as to what this has accomplished

[minor whale]

If you're anywhere a monster can attack you, the gameplay loop is this while doing bounty tasks

1.) Board your cannon, sail just close enough to where only 1 monster can attack you at a time and both of your cannons can reach the monster. You ALSO have to tell your npc driving your ship to stop/start multiple times to line it up correctly else you get smacked by 5 krakens at once

2.) Attack the monster

3.) If your boat gets damaged and you have 4 crew on your ship, you need to scroll down to repairs, click the npc you want to repair, and repeat that for every repair kit you want to use

4.) Once the monster is dead, get off your cannon (vastly lowering dps) and telegrab the loot

5.) Click back onto the cannon and don't misclick the other cannon or you'll clear the npc command of that cannon and now they won't do anything until you put them back onto a cannon

6.) Do this 5 minutes at a time before sailing back for a new task, which takes as much time as the actual bounty task was.

It's just SO bad

[sacred skiff]

Yeah having to scroll in that interface for common stuff is nuts

[obsidian venture]

Sounds fascinating

Waiters always win. Will engage with ship combat next year

[minor whale]

Here's what the repair and movement mechanics looks like and it feels even less fun because you're hopping on and off your cannon constantly while in combat doing this

It's as clunky as clunky can be

Imagine if doing combat on land you had to fucking scroll down or click 3 times to eat food lmao

Hold on guys Verz p3 started and my scrollwheel is stuck I can't reach my brews

[reef shale]

Love the new hits with the cannon ❤️ but did something change with crewmates accuracy? I feel like mine are hitting all 0s now after update 🫣

[minor whale]

Yeah my crew hasn't hit a damn thing lmao

[hasty shard]

sailing combat is so tedious for the reward of fighting things with less depth than chickens

how did they make naval combat boring

[minor whale]

It's actually amazing how bad it still is

This shouldn't have released if it was this half baked

It's not fun for anyone doing it and the XP reward is garbage

Nerfed 25% btw

I'm so disappointed and I was so incredibly hyped for sailing

[bronze kernel]

You could assume it will permanently assign them to that role and you click on the hammer to repair. One button. But nooooope

[restive storm]

tried to tell them 🙁 everyone told me i was wrong and it was gonna be great

[hasty shard]

this isnt even hyperbole sailing mobs literally just stand there

chickens lay eggs

and cant be poisoned because they lay eggs

[warm epoch]

yet another thing runelite fixes but jagex ignores

[quiet plank]

Reducing the health of some sea monsters is pretty nice

[quiet plank]

Since we can store the axes I might use them a lot ngl

[hasty shard]

is the bird hp still ridiculous the wiki hasnt updated

[quiet plank]

Whenever you go to ferox to bank or restore it might be better to just use the ferox canoe to edgeville and fairy ring there

Instead of keeping ardy cloak

[quiet plank]

That's all the changes

[hasty shard]

albatross still has more hp than an aviansie

[dark raven]

It’s frustrating that a lot of us were concerned about sailing not being ready and now we’re this far in and it’s still a salvaging skill with some boat “racing”. I’d like to see a hindsight poll asking if you’d still vote for the skill knowing how it released and is being developed

[reef shale]

Absolute W update i just hit a 90 with a rune cball potted with pray and ngl it feels good man

[warm epoch]

it's very much in line with the info jagex released prior and during development

[dark raven]

Yeah those of us that actually read those posts knew it would be terrible

[warm epoch]

and imo that's the frustrating part, people kept wanting it

"oh yeah it'll be like sea of thieves!!"

immediate poll ban pls jagex

[minor whale]

It's absolutely not in line with what they said lol
They had said so much more about how sailing combat would work, many more types of cannonballs, we weren't told the monsters were going to all have fucking huge HP, that the entire sea is multi, that bounty tasks were going to be incredibly shit for XP, that the repair system was going to be clunky as fuck, or that any of these pain points still wouldn't be addressed 6 months later

[meager flame]

yeah honestly its not really what they described

like

[minor whale]

They just outright didn't tell the truth about multiple facets of why people hate sailing combat lol

[meager flame]

there is a big difference between the skill that got polled and the content they eventually had us greenlight

[dark raven]

Years of jagex updates teaches you how to read between the lines in these things. Anyone who thought the skill was going to be amazing got fooled

[minor whale]

Sorry that people believed Jagex would deliver on the things they described in several blogs lmaoo

[meager flame]

they sold us on a way more interesting situation

then kinda just didn't make cool content

hate to say it lol

[minor whale]

"Read between the lines" doesn't apply when their own blogs are incorrect and they just go afk for half a year

[meager flame]

the one good thing they did do was getting ship movement to work well

[warm epoch]

what part of the blogs were truly incorrect?

[meager flame]

so all of the potentially cool stuff to go out there and find is still possible

they just didn't tap into any of it

okay so the meme answer

its #3

lmao but realistically

[warm epoch]

yeah thats the minigame issue

sailing was never sailing

but that was accepted as per the polls

[meager flame]

they said a lot of technically true stuff i think is the main issue with a lot of it

like for example

[warm epoch]

the issue is that people didnt care to look into it more

[meager flame]

"With this skill launch we’d fully update Gielinor’s oceans with deep waters, coral reefs, sea currents, storms, and loads of other new content for you to discover. "

this is how it was originally pitched there was nothing more to look into at this point

and you can say technically they did this

[warm epoch]

yeah i think they fully kept their promise there

[meager flame]

but if you read that you'd probably imagine an ocean with stuff happening and you're reacting to it while you play the game

but the reality is most of that is extremely passive and gets ignored or it happens in like one area at level 30 then you never ever see or think about it again

and its basically irrelevant

[warm epoch]

thats just how skills work

[meager flame]

so people got sold on a cool sounding idea and got basically the worst version of it

or like this part

[warm epoch]

people sold themselves on more than what jagex sold them

[meager flame]

"Uncovering new islands to explore"

sure we did get uh

land masses to get off of our ship on and look at

but theres not anything interesting on them

basically its a quality issue

[minor whale]

Blaming the playerbase for Jagex not delivering is kinda wild lmao

"it's your fault for believing Jagex devs who said boat combat was fun and interesting when you didn't know all the shit they did to make it terrible" lmao

[warm epoch]

i can blame the playerbase for reading things that arent there

[meager flame]

yeah you have to have some faith they'll try to make a fun game though

if we read every blog and tried to come up with the most basic interpretation that technically meets what the words say a lot of updates would suck pretty bad

[dark raven]

People were fooled thinking a skill as ambitious as sailing wouldn’t be vastly limited by spaghetti code. Reading the posts from the beginning of development and comparing those to the ones at the end told you all you needed to know. They bit off more than they could chew and the rest of the game has to suffer for it. That’s why we get a cow boss and 3 temp game modes in almost a year

[warm epoch]

we got a few minigames and people were very vocal about it not being minigames

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager flame]

basically people trusted jagex and uh

kinda got owned

[minor whale]

Or for not being able to read things that Jagex just outright didn't say in their blogs?

How is it on us for thinking Terns weren't going to have 99 HP as a level 10 monster

Or for thinking the entire aggressive ocean monsters were multi and accurate as all fuck

[meager flame]

it is what it is maybe sailing will eventually be better

[minor whale]

Also Jagex going hey here's some special ammo we're definitely releasing with sailing combat

Jk 6 months later not a peep

[ember token]

just for you i updated all the wiki pages

[meager flame]

well

thats because their priorities are insane

we were supposed to have the quest and cannon ammo stuff already

[warm epoch]

yep they needed more time but didnt have more time

[meager flame]

but then they realized people didn't like parts of sailing so they just stopped and like

spent months formulating an update that everyone freaked out over

then actually managed to rework that in a matter of weeks

[warm epoch]

its forestry all over again

[minor whale]

I don't know why they rushed to deliver shit knowing it was shit and still with 6 months of dev time nothing has changed about it

[meager flame]

and here we are

[minor whale]

Forestry on release slapped

[meager flame]

well

its a combination of stuff

[stark dome]

I like sailing

[minor whale]

Then they did 5 updates to make it worse

[meager flame]

they released sailing at a bad time

devs left for holiday

then they slow rolled feedback

[warm epoch]

yeah jagex not knowing what people like and enjoy

[meager flame]

then they updated

then had to update that update

they basically were as time inefficient as possible

[warm epoch]

i really enjoyed the idea of shamanism but ill be voting no against any skill now

[minor whale]

Absolutely nobody was complaining about the first 2 weeks of Forestry
It was probably the most active community event of all time

It was absolutely fantastic

Hopping worlds with giant groups of people in fcs meant for calling out events

[meager flame]

yeah the beef with forestry is that jagex cant accept what players want it to be

[warm epoch]

yep

[minor whale]

Everyone was having a blast doing things they never did before in places they never did it

[meager flame]

so it was war between feedback and devs trying not to listen

honestly

sailing has some hints of that too

[minor whale]

Whotf has ever cut magic in the middle of Kandarin before Forestry

[meager flame]

but not as bad as forestry did

[minor whale]

And it was popping

[warm epoch]

a lot of it imo

[minor whale]

Jagex goes hehe not anymore go back to your normal spots fuckers

[warm epoch]

i am fully convinced sailing boils down to not sailing, but the devs are really against that

[ember token]

forestry wouldve been in a perfect state if they didn't add strict participation checks and left it as that

[meager flame]

oh for sure most of sailing is about the idea of what you can do after you sail somewhere

rather than the sailing itself

[ember token]

they removed all the event item spawning items because those were just bloat

[meager flame]

for a lot of people

[ember token]

if they just did that and not also add the participation checks they wouldve never had to touch it again

but what they did was cause people to find some new method where you chop a tree once and hop worlds a bunch

[meager flame]

i did that method to prep myself for sailing

[ember token]

to set up the timers so you chop a bunch of trees down instantly

[meager flame]

and let me just say

[minor whale]

I mean yeah but that's fine
The name of a skill doesn't have to be the main focus of it
Very little about fletching is just adding feathers to arrow shafts

[meager flame]

that is the worst gameplay jagex has ever invented

[minor whale]

Sailing being "things to do with water" is fine

[meager flame]

idk how they got to the point of chop hopping

[minor whale]

It's just one of the main focuses of the skill training is absolutely ass

Compared to the other 2

[stark dome]

Trials are peak

Pure sailing and great xp/hr

[meager flame]

i think they're okay for a time i dont think they're bad content

[minor whale]

Trials are great and salvaging is ridiculous for an afk activity

[meager flame]

but like i also dont think they're something that should be the focus of a skill

like

[stark dome]

Uber is chill too I just think it needs better rewards

[minor whale]

Port tasks are
They exist and aren't the worst thing ever

[meager flame]

they're a means to an end because you want to do something else

[minor whale]

Then combat is just fucking awful

[meager flame]

the skill shouldn't be ride in circles for exp

[stark dome]

Why not?

[meager flame]

because that's fun until you can reasonably do it every time

and then you're just clicking in circles for no reason

they didn't need a skill to do that

[restive storm]

it needs actual rewards

[meager flame]

we already have one in fact

[warm epoch]

dingdingding for all of sailing

[meager flame]

like

theres gotta be something to do with all of that exp you gained for going in circles

[restive storm]

im standin on business that sailing was a mistake.... at least i afked my way to 99 and havent touched it again, but what a waste of dev time

[meager flame]

like im fully convinced if they actually released islands with things people actually wanted to go do

sailing would be looked at way more fondly

[stark dome]

Yeah the skill deff needs more dope islands

[warm epoch]

thatd be like locking a bunch of good content behind agility though imo

[stark dome]

To feel relevant

[restive storm]

so i take it ur not a big frost dragon guy

[stark dome]

But I still enjoy it

[warm epoch]

unless you can tag along with someone else

and then why need sailing

[meager flame]

i mean thats kinda fine like

you're supposed to get out there and level up and progress

and the skill is pretty accommodating as far as getting exp however you feel like

[warm epoch]

its arbitrary

[meager flame]

yeah but everything is in the game

[warm epoch]

not to that level

its like the top level of the slayer tower would only be accessible with the agility level

[meager flame]

yeah it just requires high level slayer instead

[carmine junco]

It's not, because it's a different skill

[warm epoch]

then the sailing islands can only contain sailing things

and i dont think theres a way to think of enough cool and interesting things for that tbh

[carmine junco]

Why?

[warm epoch]

because like you just said, it needs to be a different skill

[carmine junco]

No, I mean agility is a different skill

To sailing

[ember token]

i like sailing because we never would've gotten the map filled out like this otherwise

[meager flame]

i think ultimately they don't have to follow like specific rules for everything

[carmine junco]

Why should they be the same

[meager flame]

im just looking at it from the pov of like

[warm epoch]

im not saying they should be the same

[carmine junco]

Agility gets you shortcuts, sailing unlocks new areas

[warm epoch]

im saying locking something very arbitrarily behind one skill is bad

[meager flame]

is it reasonable to tell someone to go get 70 something sailing to do anything?

and honestly yeah it probably is

[warm epoch]

agility could get you new areas too

[meager flame]

its something they can invest in and do pretty easily

and quickly

[ember token]

thieving should unlock you new areas

[carmine junco]

Anything could, lol. Woodcutting could chop down trees to open a path. But that's not how the game is made

[warm epoch]

yeah its not how the game is made, i agree

so why make sailing that

[meager flame]

it would be different if the ask was something that was really difficult or extremely time consuming

[ember token]

imagine if the yanille agility dungeon wasn't a decades old one-off thing

[stark dome]

Locking things behind arbitrary levels is literally the whole progression curve of the game

[carmine junco]

To be different

[stark dome]

Idk what to tell you

[warm epoch]

it already is different and it failed

[carmine junco]

You seem to think that things must always be as they are

[meager flame]

but sailing isn't like that its highly accessible and people can get amazing rates at every effort level

[carmine junco]

It didn't fail

[meager flame]

including full 30 minute afk

[carmine junco]

Fail at what exactly?

[meager flame]

so you can probably ask for that skill to be a bit high for some content

[analog crow]

saying sailing failed is a wild take

[warm epoch]

cba if you guys only hop in later and missed the original discussion

go back to that

[restive storm]

sailing failed

https://klipy.com/gifs/mujikcboro-seriymujik-1

[stark dome]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[warm epoch]

dang narthus i cant believe you just said no to sailing

[carmine junco]

Lol. Sure, sounds like you understand my point then.

[meager flame]

but yeah i think the biggest problem at the end of the day is people expected great conch islands and we got mapped down geometry with a thieving chest islands

[zenith pike]

It succeed at existing

[meager flame]

you can really tell they spent almost the entire time developing sailing on the act of actually moving the boat around

[carmine junco]

I mean, except we got a conch island and various others with things. They're already working on the player island that's going to add in whatever comes with that. I think people wanted it to both change the game and not at the same time

[meager flame]

which is good because that part is great but

everything else not so much

[warm epoch]

which feels kinda weird to me because they said that was mostly engine work

and the content devs explicitly arent engine devs

[minor whale]

Sailing itself didn't fail, Jagex over promised and under delivered on concepts that people were excited about
The things they did do as they promised are pretty enjoyable.
Trials are good content, on par with Hallowed Sepulchre for agility which is by far the best way to train it.
Salvaging is incredible for an afk method and even 2t salvaging is very well designed since it doesn't move often so it feels more consistent than things like 2t swordfish for fishing
Drift nets are extremely solid for profit for a skilling method and great for irons getting food supplies
Port Tasks are boring but at least ok for XP for people who literally just want to drive boat around

The big failure is combat which didn't deliver half of what they promised and what they did deliver had hidden caveats only found after release

[meager flame]

yeah except it wasn't plural when it comes to the one good island

thats kinda the issue

[carmine junco]

I mean, there are a few good islands

[meager flame]

we got the one low end island that had the real work put in and that was kinda the end

[dark raven]

I’m just mad because I own a boat and I can sail around the world but I can’t be a pirate. wtf?

[minor whale]

They also failed on the new islands having a reason to exist outside of single instances of travelling to them to get schematics for other things

[meager flame]

theres a couple of low effort islands that have something attractive on them

but i wouldn't really say they're great they're just op in some way

[restive storm]

i mean the thing is, if you actually tried the alpha/beta you knew it was gonna be underwhelming

[warm epoch]

and those imo boil down to cave on generic island #1-4

[minor whale]

There wasn't really a beta for the things most people have issue with

[carmine junco]

This isn't a failure, should the entire ocean have been empty but for the few that have things? Or what?

[warm epoch]

i fully got what i expected playing the beta

[restive storm]

yea, and it was awful

[warm epoch]

yep lol

[minor whale]

There was no ship combat or other islands or anything, and the thing they did beta for was trials which are good

[restive storm]

there was ship combat in beta wym

it was terrible

[meager flame]

yeah and we told them it was absolutely shit

and got ignored

[restive storm]

the entire premise of the beta was now were adding ship combat to test

[minor whale]

I don't recall there being any combat available since you were locked at like level 30 or some shit

[restive storm]

then they changed nothing lol

[candid canyon]

Nice changes today but yet I still ask where is the pet chance on sorting salvage?

[meager flame]

they had some benefit of the doubt because a lot of people myself included kind of tempered the feedback with thoughts of like

well maybe they have more facilities or whatever that they didn't show me

and it turned out that they didn't have shit

and we tested everything

[restive storm]

idk what to tell ya then man maybe u only played alpha not beta?

cuz every1, even sailing lovers hated combat in beta

[warm epoch]

Some new additions since the March 2025 Sailing Alpha included ship combat, bounty tasks – assignments to kill monsters at sea, crew management – recruiting NPC sailors to work on your ship, and random events at sea.

[[June_2025_Sailing_Beta]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/June_2025_Sailing_Beta

[meager flame]

ya there were multiple tests they put cannons in the later one

[warm epoch]

a lot of the finished skill was in there imo

[meager flame]

it sucked but people assumed there would be more as we leveled up

[austere mulch]

Over promise, under deliver is a great summary of sailing

[stark dome]

Yall struggled with gwenith glide marlin and it shows

[austere mulch]

A lot of the recent issues they’ve had with updates can be, in large part, solved by setting better expectations

[minor whale]

I think trials are excellent
Literally only have an issue with combat

[restive storm]

right us struggling w/ gwenith glide definitely impacts the fact they couldnt brainstorm any rewards for port tasks/ship combat being so bad nobody does it

[stark dome]

Yup

[restive storm]

dw guys in 4-5 more years sailing will finally be fleshed out as a skill, even though the rest of the game may not have any additional changes

[carmine junco]

You seem to think that improvement over time is an issue for some reason. As if they've not released updates to other skills past release.

[dark raven]

Even if that were true, which it’s not because everyone has runelite which holds your hand. What does that have to do with sailing being a failure of a skill?

[ashen yarrow]

30 sailing with 3-4 different bounty tasks in beta wouldnt really give that much info about boat combat. sailing beta was locked with bronze cannons and low ranged level on player. every combat is slow at low leverls

[austere mulch]

I did jubbly marlin on mobile with mahogany hull before they did any work on the terrible lag issues

Ama

[restive storm]

i think the main problem is they released a 2009 quality skill into a 2026 era game where the standards are significantly higher

[stark dome]

Ive got my nitpicks too. Port task rewards need a complete redo. We need newer/better islands. The overall skill is great though

[carmine junco]

If you think sailing on release is even close to anything from 2009 idk what to tell you

[restive storm]

the other problem is the clear use of dev resources to try to salvage (no pun intended) sailing, while we neglect the rest of the game

[dark raven]

The skill exists in its own bubble. We’re about to have our 3rd temp mode without sailing in it and absolutely nobody cares because the skill has nothing to do with the rest of the game.

[restive storm]

because for "the biggest and best update osrs has ever had" it was terribly mid

[austere mulch]

Unironically I think summoning had a better launch than sailing 😭 not to say it’s a better skill

But there was a better ratio of expectations : results

[carmine junco]

You didn't have fun, great.

[austere mulch]

And that was 2007? 2008?

[meager flame]

i think my problem with sailing isn't even exactly expectations its effort level

like

take port tasks

that is not finished

[restive storm]

yes summoning was unquestionably done better than sailing in every way

[meager flame]

that should not be in the game as it is

[ember token]

dmm, leagues, ? what's the 3rd? and tbh I think that says more about how they're pumping out temporary events and how thats taking away from the maingme

[meager flame]

like the act of going from a to b etc is finished

but they didn't work on the reward structure at all

its an incomplete method

[restive storm]

the gwiddy

[ocean cypress]

What did you like in Summoning compared to Sailing? Just curious.

[meager flame]

stuff like that i think is really concerning

[ember token]

gridmaster ended before sailing released

[ashen yarrow]

reward for port tasks is xp, if they want to add other valuable rewards they would need to lower xp rates

[meager flame]

yeah but they've solved that before with other stuff like for example

zalcano

its probably the best direct example

[restive storm]

i liked the actual use cases for the game, it felt game impacting... i got 99 on both accounts and outside of reclaiming max cape, id literally never know different if sailing didnt exist. I think BoB with summoning were a bit too far but otherwise the familiars tied into other skills, had different use cases in different skilling/pvm scenarios

[meager flame]

you're often given the choice with profit vs exp

[restive storm]

And I thought it was an interesting way to tie in other skills like slayer and stuff as far as gathering charms

[meager flame]

but in this case they just took the effort level way down

[ember token]

Summoning also made a lot of previously useless items not useless

[meager flame]

said heres a bad method for exp and also you only get some token gp rewards

and it was mostly dead asap

[carmine junco]

Well yeah, no sailing in the wildy.

[meager flame]

and thats a very logical result too

[carmine junco]

The impacts on the game are outside of that

[meager flame]

because port tasks require effort and attention but dont give the best exp

[dark raven]

Summoning was great at interacting with the game as a whole. It had that unfortunate side effect of major power creep tho

[meager flame]

and theres also a much more afk method as well

so its caught in the middle with nowhere to go

[carmine junco]

They require middling attention and you can multi skill while doing them

[meager flame]

it obviously needed some thought given to actual rewards because they positioned it to die based on effort/exp ratios

[ashen yarrow]

its not best xp/h and it is not most afk. It is still viable option for decent xp rates without needing to do trials or 1.5tick salvaging

[meager flame]

most people are either going to pay more attention for the best exp or they're gonna fully afk to give it no effort while they do other stuff

and the funny thing is

port tasks fully optimal

requires a lot of thought and attention

its actually not very casual at all

[carmine junco]

So the only methods that should exist are fully afk or intense?

[hasty shard]

oh right werent bounty tasks already less efficient than just doing sailing combat and gwenith glide separately

mfw 25% nerf or whatever 😭

[restive storm]

i mean i played the game plenty outside of just pking, like i said i have a fully maxed account and a maxed pure. It isnt like I needed sailing to be integrated to the wilderness. On the contrary i advised the team against doing so because itd be an absolute dumpster fire (please see sailing combat currently)

[meager flame]

no im saying they have to think harder than they did

it needs additional incentive outside of just flat exp

[restive storm]

sailing as a whole is just kinda a useless skill at this point as far as what it provides for you

[meager flame]

so that it has its own upside

[carmine junco]

Except for all of the things I got out of sailing it's useless, sure.

[meager flame]

most people will just solve for what most efficiently reflects their goal

[hasty shard]

liiike

[meager flame]

so if you produce a middling method that doesn't quite do that for people

its gonna be very unpopular

[carmine junco]

Sailing combat being bad is disappointing but the rest of the skill is basically fine

[restive storm]

idk i went 1-99 and got kinda a token amount of gp from port tasks, and that was essentially it cuz nothing was worse keeping from salvaging. I kept 1 dragon cannonbarrel thats kinda totally useless because of how poor job they did designing combat, but as far as like game impacting stuff feels totally empty

[ashen yarrow]

well kill speeds got 2-3x faster without xp reward change and after that they lowered mob hp and made high dps viable for players without max shadow when shooting cannon themselves which was countered with 25% xp nerf

[dark raven]

Other than sailing to an island to unlock a clue I’ve not interacted with the skill at all since finishing all the trials and afking to 99. That’s bad.

I’ve played rs3 and I interact with all their new skills post 99 except for divination. Sailing failed full stop

[south void]

What was the previous max hit on dragon cannon being manned? Anyone have those numbers before today's change? Just curious.

[carmine junco]

So the only things you got out of sailing are nothing because you didn't keep any salvaging resources and haven't engaged with any of the actual unlocks from the skill?

[zenith pike]

Bad offhand, bad mainhand, paint chips, and cool blue ranch dragons

[restive storm]

what unlocks from the skill? lmao

the cannon barrel?

thats kinda my point

[ashen yarrow]

70 before, 122 now (maybe 126 if shield slot counts)

[south void]

Thank you!

[meager flame]

also about this almost every skill release i've ever played which is actually almost all of them went better than sailing

not because i think they're better skills but because

[carmine junco]

Trawling, woodcutting, the various items are obviously mid to low level so not impactful for you.

[meager flame]

especially old jagex usually released skills with like a full progression tree from the start

they didn't always they had some duds like hunter

[carmine junco]

Crab hunting and coral potions

[restive storm]

woodcutting? resources solely used for sailing and nothing else? Trawling i guess i agree the food is used, but hardly needed a new skill to just add like 2 new fish lol

[carmine junco]

A new skill to add everything else

[hasty shard]

40 sailing for arma brews, 65 for halibut, i think everything else is kinda dubiously an upgrade

[restive storm]

honestly idek what coral potions are, what are they used for lol

[meager flame]

but most of them would release and you'd have like the full range of activities from the starting experience to that high level goal you wanted to grind for

[carmine junco]

Great.

[hasty shard]

super hunter/fishing and arma brews iirc

[ocean cypress]

Is there any general problems you have in OSRS that you would like solved?

Wondering whether Sailing can have additional rewards that could change that.

[carmine junco]

So you don't even know what you can get out of the skill

[hasty shard]

maybe the 'only for vardorvis' bandages idr

[zenith pike]

Better stams that… exist

[meager flame]

where sailing basically said hey heres the skill and we'll work on a reason for you to care about this skill at a later date

[carmine junco]

And still here you are

[ember token]

the new trees are good woodcutting training, lead is better than mining iron i think

[meager flame]

which i think sucks

[hasty shard]

are we acting like super hunter/fishing pots are a need-to-know

[restive storm]

ion gon' lie those all sound totally useless

[carmine junco]

Better stams that I can bring just one of to solo chambers and be fine?

[hasty shard]

arma brews are super nice for doom

also finally gives an actual reasonable use to menaphite remedies

[zenith pike]

You bring 1 stam for a regular solo chambers

[carmine junco]

So you don't know anything then, I see

[carmine junco]

Maybe you do, sure.

[restive storm]

stams are kinda useless cuz we mostly removed the need for stams anyway with the run energy update

[zenith pike]

Fuck you don’t even use most of it post change

[restive storm]

so that was kinda a swing and a miss

[carmine junco]

Stams are not useless, they're now used for more specific content like gwd and chambers

[zenith pike]

Unless I literally got cancer mid way and am currently under operation

[ember token]

lot of the reward for sailing being skilling methods means theyre not applicable to a lot of players

[meager flame]

tbf you dont even need a stam for solo chambers

i've forgotten my stam before olm post update and i've made it work without dying

so you could totally just do like

vile vigor or something easily now

you could before too but it would be really easy now

[restive storm]

so we're at 2 fish (which while bis, don't really ADD anything to the game), and like i guess arma brews for doom which add some sort of a different function which is cool

and we added an entire skill for that

[carmine junco]

Sure, if you're in great gear and have the ability to kill olm fast. Vigour still consumes a lot of prayer

[meager flame]

but yeah doing it without either i think is probably beyond a lot of people that don't have a lot of experience

[carmine junco]

Discounting the skilling methods and everything else of course.

[restive storm]

im not even sure what methods outside of WC did they add? like cannonball thieving?

[zenith pike]

Great gear is pushing it

[meager flame]

but just the fact that i did it on the spot kinda lets me know that its veryyyy doable now with vile vigour for most people

[zenith pike]

Like warped scepter raids I was popping vv

[carmine junco]

Crab hunting and the thieving yes

[hasty shard]

trawling if you want to larp moneymaking and get rsi

[meager flame]

although if you really know what you're doing on olm you could get very silly and just walk it out until you regenned enough energy

but i'd never tell anyone to do that lmao

just die and run the next raid at that point

[zenith pike]

How much money ?

[carmine junco]

You're doing full solo kills with only vile vigour and warped scepter tier gear?

[austere mulch]

To clarify, the new trees are not sailing content. They are woodcutting content, same with coral farming (general content expansions)

Trawling is mixed sailing / fishing content because you are required to use both skills to interact with it

[restive storm]

doesnt crab hunting just suck in general tho? feel like i was told nobody doin that. But anywho, you can understand from the viewpoint of someone waiting 2+ years for a skill, and the rewards are essentially that of a maybe Master tier quest at best that normally we get some of each year, its extraordinarily underwhelming

[carmine junco]

Yeah, that's the point

[zenith pike]

Yeah like 20 kc on the victim man

[carmine junco]

It doesn't suck no

[hasty shard]

i think its like 4m rn

[restive storm]

idk maybe i got bad intel, feel like ive never even heard of anyone doin it lol

[meager flame]

that's how it should be though just logically if you take a look at how sailing fits into the game with other skills

[carmine junco]

Rainbow crabs are easy 160k xp an hour and are very consistent. Idk, I was doing it to gather seconds for herb xp and didn't mind it at all.

[meager flame]

its a skill thats supposed to basically lead you to doing things with other skills in its natural conclusion

they shouldn't fight that happening at all

[restive storm]

is it like multiskill xp? Or just worse than DN fishing but more afk or somethin

or just you get the resource rewards

[austere mulch]

Yeah I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, just a general statement because I see a lot of people saying “ironwood trees are sailing content!” When they’re not

[carmine junco]

I'm sure it's possible but I really don't see myself being able to do that. Congrats on being a gamer I guess, I just find using a Stam easier than managing that.

[meager flame]

i think they got a little caught up with trying to justify sailing with sailing specific activities

when the strength is always going to be in just transporting you somewhere exciting and cool to use other skills

[carmine junco]

It's pure hunter xp. It's not afk but low attention.

[restive storm]

or wait... is it literally just herbiboar but for the secondaries for herblore? lol

[ashen yarrow]

it is hard to please people with viable alternatives since they will always get compared to the best possible method, it is impossible for every single new release to power creep the old

[carmine junco]

Uh... It's more like... Well, it's not herbi at all

[meager flame]

i think they honestly tried to make port tasks interesting by making it the pet method

but its kind of a crazy outlook

since most of us aren't pet hunters

[timid oxide]

oooh, new update details on April 1st. Now what of this is going to be an April Fools joke

[meager flame]

they picked a pretty crazy audience lol

[ashen yarrow]

A picture of a pink skirt has been removed from the Prayer skill guide.

[restive storm]

I mean less the actual mechanics of doing it - but the xp sounds literally exactly where herbiboar xp is, and herbi is giving you the herbs themselves for doing it.... whereas crabs as a method sounds identical xp wise, and just givess the secondaries lol

[austere mulch]

How will faux sleep after this

[carmine junco]

Sure? It's fine as a method

[meager flame]

i've said it a million times by now but i cant believe when doing port tasks you don't basically get related loot bags or whatever like you stole some of the cargo

would've connected the skill by giving supplies for various stuff including sailing itself with nails or cannonballs etc

[ember token]

aka like salvage

[meager flame]

ya

salvage kind of came in with numbers too low to do a good job though

which sorta makes sense considering the effort level involved but lol

its funny that we just throw salvage on the ground

[restive storm]

bro when i started doing it day 1 i was just baffled

how poorly that was done

like actually stunned they thought it was ok to even release like that lol

its like if every npc you ever pickpocketed/every chest you ever thieved gave you strictly coins

[carmine junco]

This is how it was in the first beta, I guess they decided they didn't like this. I think it was mentioned in one of thr blogs why they changed it

[ashen yarrow]

probably inventory filling with junk that players kept dropping

[restive storm]

but like..... then we have salvaging? lol

so i cant even imagine that was the thinking lol

[carmine junco]

I doubt it was

[ember token]

yeah i remember from the testing that it was just junk

[carmine junco]

They said at the time they would think about the loot tables for it

[ashen yarrow]

salvage players drop because they want to stay in same spot. if they didnt give salvaging facility players would deposit loot in deposit boxes at docks

[ember token]

as just a side product of doing tasks, you get random garbage

[restive storm]

idk design a shop or something where they giving you a sailing currency depending on how far the ships are then that you could buy useful supplies or cosmetics

just try something

[carmine junco]

This would be nice yeah

[ember token]

yeah i think a shop makes the most sense for port tasks

[restive storm]

the optics of them just throwing up their hands and saying yolo heres 1gp/xp is like... horrible how little they appear to have even tried

your invent still fills up with useless junk, its just the same shark paint over and over again

[ember token]

ehh not really the same thing as how it was in the beta

getting junk like steel scimitars from every task vs an uncommon paint drop a few times an hour, though it's still so funny that they gave added lots of rare drops to all aspects of the skill except port tasks

[cedar grail]

got a new bug with this update

again ferox canoe sation broken wont let you take canoe to wildy from ferox but can go other places

[restive storm]

right... but like, they need to put a liittle more effort in than putting steel scimitars as the reward -.-

[sacred skiff]

Since we're now incentivized to man cannons ourselves, it would be really nice if we could assign a crewmate (maybe on a trawler? Or a new facility?) to pick up loot

[restive storm]

thats kinda pathetic as a basis

[sacred skiff]

Getting off cannon, getting loot, getting back on cannon is not it

[meager flame]

yeah the biggest problem i have with it is that its just not finished

if we look at any other similar type of system in osrs they always do it better

this time they just didn't for some reason

i have no idea how anyone could find it now but in either a blog or qa

[ember token]

salvaging has the museum relics and salvors paint, trawling has big fish and anglers paint, trials have barracuda paint, combat has a bunch of uniques, port tasks have... a single common paint drop

[meager flame]

they actually talked about trying to figure it out and settling on gp and i remember at the time thinking wtf

[restive storm]

like you gotta realize, we're pushing 6 months at this point since release of the skill, and they havent even acknowledged this clear lack of quality yet, let alone discuss they might change it

[cedar grail]

Any Jmods watching?

[sacred skiff]

port tasks have way better pet rate too though, right?

[ember token]

you can right click the report button ingame, and click report game bug

[sacred skiff]

Like high enough that you're trolling if you hunt pet any other way?

[meager flame]

ya this is the part where i think they just have a crazy blind spot

[ember token]

port tasks are the best pet method yea

[cedar grail]

ahh thank you i didnt right click it xd

[meager flame]

it seems like they thought that was reason enough and like

[regal canopy]

These motherf______ say they are going to fix cannons. They then release 3 update just changing numbers around. They refuse to make the combat worth doing and also nerf the bounty tasks. They refuse to make the LEVEL 92 WEAPON EVEN WORTH USING. fix the dragon cannon you goofs its dog shit. The ship combat should be the best xp not the racing minigame.....

[meager flame]

if you looked at it through the lense of like a high level player that would only care about the pet and would just trash anything else

it makes sense

[ember token]

yeah I guess they must've considered the pet rate

[meager flame]

but i dont think that scope is nearly large enough

like lol

most people aren't the high level pet hunter

[sacred skiff]

Yeah and port tasks take like pretty sweaty play to compete with other methods for xp

Which is a shame because you're actually doing the skill while you train them. You should be incentivized to sail around the sea

[ashen yarrow]

well i wouldnt call it sweaty just because you cannot choose tasks on random

[meager flame]

the sweaty part is just about figuring out the perfect routing

like you can do port tasks kind of badly and its really relaxed no thinking involved

but doing it optimally is pretty involved

although i can only assume most people never do that because basically

why would you want something that boring that demands attention like rooftop agility

[tacit pendant]

More gp than salvaging would do something for tasks at least

[meager flame]

when you could just go fast with trials or fully afk

[tacit pendant]

Right now you just break even on supplies

Maybe

[paper zenith]

Is the ingame bug report form also the right place to report typo's? Barfy Bill is talking about "you're axe".

[hard axle]

Basically yes

[meager flame]

also what happened to the stuff they talked about with thieving

i vaguely remember them talking about you being able to steal a ship instead or something

and none of that materialized

[hard axle]

It’s a factor of 4-10x more hours at minimum if you don’t do Port Tasks

[carmine junco]

Yes

[meager flame]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=13/compatibility-for-the-jagex-launcher-on-mac?oldschool=1

finally an april fools post

[chrome lantern]

Today’s update blog did feel a little like April Fools for a few entries

[sacred skiff]

Damn this is actually a sinister April Fool

[meager flame]

lmao im just giving them shit for confirming that would be handled in 2025

and now its sometime before 2027

well i shouldn't even say before

[chrome lantern]

Have the appropriate people already discussed the mention of making dclaws the base lms spec weapon?

I felt like that was insane

[meager flame]

sometime before they plan to make it impossible to play on mac scheduled for sometime in 27

[sacred skiff]

What do you even find in crates now lmao

Oh right a nox

[meager flame]

i swear apple is going to beat jagex to it anyways

[ashen yarrow]

dds is very weak compared to other new starting items

[sacred skiff]

tbf the weird mouse acceleration already makes it impossible to play on a mac to begin with (both with acceleration turned on and off in the settings) if you normally play on WIndows

[chrome lantern]

What does it do, been like 10 years since I used a mac

[sacred skiff]

Your cursor just moves way differently

Feels so wrong lol\

Like relative to the speed at which you physically move your mouse, the cursor moves more quickly

Which ofc happens in Windows too, but because they're different it's hard to do any content that requires precise clicks in both

[wet smelt]

Missed opportunity by not adding a one way canoe tree by the whirlpool

[meager flame]

you can fix it but its like

actual work

luckily most games use raw input or have an option for it

[wet smelt]

Mouse acceleration can be a feature of the mouse sometimes

[meager flame]

but for osrs you'd have to actually get in there

[sacred skiff]

True true, it's not really an issue for me personally any more cuz I just gave up and play other games when I'm downstairs away from my main pc

And until mobile has things like idle notifications and bank tags, it's just a whole thing to set up some angler fishing or something on the ipad

[meager flame]

ya especially if you're someone that actually uses windows mouse acceleration its gonna be hard to fix

[chrome lantern]

I mean I’m just used to it because I didn’t know it was a setting and have used it for 20 something years

I don’t really intend to disable it

[meager flame]

ya i dont use it because i played shooters and while you can be good with acceleration almost everyone would tell you not to use it for that

[chrome lantern]

I’ve just never heard anyone ever mention it at all until a couple months ago

Tried it for like 10 minutes disabled and said cba to relearn all muscle memory

[meager flame]

yeah basically its been a thing people tell you to disable in fps games since basically forever but osrs is always weirdly kind of behind

and somehow now people are starting to talk about it

its just interesting that it took osrs players so long because in other games where mouse movement matters a lot like osu or whatever

they'd also tell you to disable it

but yeah the biggest problem people having turning it on or off is just that they have to be willing to put up with adjusting

i also want to see jagex do this for linux

they're making real progress towards maybe one day being the better platform for gaming

[carmine junco]

I hope so. I've already begun migrating off windows

[meager flame]

ya the biggest problem is stuff just not being built for/optmized for linux to begin with

but

when it does happen linux actually has really good performance because there are just builds of it that don't run anything really in the background

[carmine junco]

Or certain anti cheat programs that won't run on Linux I think.

[meager flame]

yeah but most of those we'd be better without anyways

[carmine junco]

True, but it does block some games from running atm

Is this about the Mac client?

Would be nice to have an official Linux client

[meager flame]

yeah they announced that they're actually probably maybe doing the mac version before its impossible to play with a jagex account in 2027

after previously confirming it would be handled in 2025

so lol

[carmine junco]

Look, doing things right before they go eol is just the way it works out sometime lol. You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to convince business people of the importance of doing work like that before it's literally required

[meager flame]

i just hope linux gets it together enough to pressure microsoft into like

[carmine junco]

Improving things somewhat? Lol

[meager flame]

maybe offering a different variant of windows specifically for gaming or just optimizing their os better

because the way it is right now i can "fix" it for the most part

but im doing a bunch of stuff you wouldn't really want people doing unless they really know what they're doing

and it comes with tradeoffs like some windows features just not working

and then you have to battle them every time they update the os and reenable who knows what

[carmine junco]

I mean if you're registry editing on windows you're in sketchy territory

It does help but they certainly don't want most doing that.

Would be nice if you could disable and modify the system more easily but they obviously don't want that atm

[meager flame]

i actually think they really might release some xbox branded variant of the os in the next few years

because they're doing handhelds and the next xbox is just a pc

[mellow onyx]

I don't think Microsoft is going to learn anything until the AI bubble pops but I've been around a long time and every other version of Windows has sucked. Win95 was good, 98 sucked, 98 SE was good, ME sucked, XP was good, vista sucked, 7 was goated, 8 sucked, 10 was passible, 11 is insufferable and convinced me to switch to Linux full time.

[dense arch]

I might have found an issue with todays update regarding the quetzal wistle. I went to charge my perfect wistle and it took all the meat i had on me. wich was around 5100 charges worth. but when i check the charges remaining on my wistle it says i only have 28 charges remaining. Did i do sopmething wrong with the charging or is the ingame message incorrect?

[ember token]

all those charges you gave went towards an imbued whistle

the update was not to let you hold thousands of charges at once in one whistle

the update was to make it so charging the whistle normally counts as progress towards the imbued whistle

[dense arch]

that is the option i used and it took all the food

but i didnt gain any charges

this is just a really shit way of wording it thenb

[ember token]

it sounds to me like you selected the option to contribute meat towards the imbued whistle

[dense arch]

no i just clicked on the npc option to charge my wistle

sure i was assuming it would take all the meat and just give my wistle that many charges to work towards the imbued wistle

[slow acorn]

seemss like you can't go to the wildy if you try to take a canoe from ferox

but it's fine if I go to lummy and then go to the wildy

[hazy plover]

Remember when we used to get april fools events 🙁

[true talon]

They shoulda released some notes about pvp

[tacit pendant]

Due to undeserved negative feedback on emirs arena and recent changes in local gambling laws, the duel arena is back

[analog crow]

Say sike right now

[vivid ruin]

Is it me or are the world select and mute buttons elevated a bit on the log in screen?

[meager flame]

something definitely changed on login screen for me

its like rendering the full login screen image now rather than zooming

it looks better but its basically impossible to not notice

[round lintel]

is this a glitch? did they break anything?

[vivid ruin]

Lol yeah ^

[reef shale]

Can we get a mod confirmation wether or not that new dagger from cerb will work with devils element from thermy for 2x elemental weakness?

[carmine junco]

I heard from someone that they did an April fools thing on the login screen? I wonder if it interacts poorly with the runelite client?

[grizzled ether]

FEEDBACK: the "Faster agility shortcuts" update is sorely missing the Lvl 45 Log Balance "shortcut" for Auburnvale, which currently makes the player WORSE OFF by using it, as it only saves a grand total of 1 tick, which is not worth the fact that if the player doesn't use the shortcut, they can fletch more Vale Totem decorations while they run.

[meager flame]

that would be really funny considering nobody would ever know if it doesn't work with runelite

[carmine junco]

Yeah I'm not really sure tbh, I haven't been able to check it myself yet

And being told that could have been an April fools joke itself

Can't trust anything today

[meager flame]

whatever they did though is definitely an improvement accidental or not

[vivid ruin]

Other than the oddly placed buttons

[round lintel]

yeah that threw my off

[hasty shard]

i cant believe they fixed login screen

thats messed up

what do you mean rt

threaded rendering ic

[meager flame]

i think thats the new experimental

[cobalt narwhal]

so is this update real or april fools

[tacit wharf]

todays update was real

all these things added were from the previous getting around poll

[languid ravine]

solution: put a dragon on the bridge

[cobalt narwhal]

oo ok I just wasn't sure if they were gonna mess with us today lol

[quiet plank]

I wish they did

[tacit wharf]

i know at least for the league spoilers, they didnt want to muddle the waters

[whole glacier]

the new canoe screen is cool, thank you

[brisk hill]

Np

[steel dune]

where are the threads to talk about updates and give sugestions that hopefully jagex might read?

[tacit wharf]

#1022203837265756231 #1022203933600514138

[round lintel]

Rune cannon full elite void 99 range using rune cannonballs my max hit is 67 on veiled krakens

whats better elite void or regular hides?

[quiet plank]

Should've have mod north announce EoC coming to old school

[true talon]

I hope in the future they address the power creep and vangaurds, feels like i need to be punching them or else i will reset. literally a sinlge shadow hit can reset them or a tbow hit or a scythe swing,

maybe they increase the health threshold to 50% instead of 40

its only a problem in normal raids ofc, because CM has extra hp. but they need to fix CM to actually be worth doing.

So ive just been doing 1+1 full scale layout in order to get the hp and not have to deal with vanguard resetting on a single mega hit.

[winged mantle]

vanguards should just be reduced damage once you go past 33% threshold tbh

[round lintel]

you are just too good

😄

I bowfa them

I VW spec at start\

1 - 1

I wish there was a way to know how many sea monsters you have killed without the need of loot tracker

[gleaming karma]

Just as a reminder the rune pouch update for renaming loadouts happened and never got updated

Good job devs, keep blaming it on management

[ember token]

when did the devs blame management, and when did they ever promise the option to let add their own renames to rune pouch loadouts? I remember them adding more name options later on but I don't recall them ever saying they would or could do that

[gaunt minnow]

they didn't

he's just made it up

[gaunt minnow]

cm is always worth doing

unless you have the 2k cape and havn't green logged yet

[slow acorn]

Is the ferox canoe station still broken? I couldn't go in the wildy from there after the update dropped

[scarlet dawn]

Does the update include the new map in the canoe interface? If yes, it works for me.

[obsidian venture]

It’s worth doing

They just need to tweak vangs in max for regs so it’s not reset sim

[true talon]

Ya it sucks with max gear, i feel i should just stick to cm's but the full scale is very cozy since olm doesnt smack you for 40s XD

[blissful topaz]

the left click bone bury option makes training prayer feel much smoother and less repetitive
it removes the need to constantly right click which improves overall gameplay flow
this change is especially helpful for new players as it makes basic mechanics more intuitive
it also shows that Jagex is focused on quality of life improvements that make the game easier to enjoy

[tacit wharf]

u dont wanna pick up yr bones, go get a bonecrusher

[restive siren]

Wdym constantly right click

Also yeah bonecrusher baby

[fading venture]

Yup bone crusher or. Menu entry swapper?

[blissful topaz]

on ground objects

[round lintel]

this new leagues reveal being a t5 unlock I think they dont want everyone going 50M thieving in the first hours anymore

xd

[meager flame]

i mean that wasn't really a problem that was kind of just people playing poorly

its pretty much always better to just get out there and rapidly get points by doing easy stuff to ramp up to the bigger modifiers

then you afk skill

[gaunt minnow]

Seems like a lot of indirect nerfs this league, I wonder if they’ll be adding anything super strong to make up for it in some way

[slate badger]

https://tenor.com/view/source-i-made-it-up-jarvis-iron-man-tony-stark-gif-573727876722239845

[slow acorn]

I dunno why it doesn't let me use it then

(yes I have the wc level and crafted the right canoe)

I can go in the wildy if I move to anywhere else and then go in the wildy lel

[scarlet dawn]

my mouse is on the icon

[slow acorn]

mine was as well

as I said, it only happens at ferox

[whole glacier]

yea it's broken

i can only canoe to the wildy from outside of ferox

[whole glacier]

ferox is the only place where if you are already there and mouse-over the canoe location you are currently at, it will highlight as if it's a valid travel location. none of the other canoe stations will do that.

[scarlet dawn]

I see, true

[whole glacier]

yes, only

[chilly portal]

That would be the biggest example of getting screwed over by rng

[gaunt minnow]

the worst part is it's not even that dry for tbow

its barely 1.5x rate in trio

[chilly portal]

gz man

[ashen yarrow]

is that all 2.1k completed under the time limit? you could have 2k kc with 0% chance at dust if you never did it fast enough

[earnest vigil]

Maybe 1 or 2 missed

[cedar grail]

still have bug from canoe at ferox to wildy. wont let you use it but can go to wildy from other canoe spots. I sent in bug report but might as well say it here again incase any mods see

[south void]

"Once in the Ferox Enclave, only an axe, level 12 Woodcutting and the lowest tier of canoe are required to row to Edgeville (players cannot row from the Enclave to the Wilderness pond with a log canoe, dugout canoe, or stable dugout canoe, even though the Wilderness pond is only one stop away on the River Lum)."----Wiki wording suggests a Waka canoe SHOULD work, but isn't.

[slow acorn]

highest tier canoes used to work before the update

I used them all the time

[bronze kernel]

I tried on mobile and it wouldn't let me either

Have you tried pressing 6 to see if you can select the destination like that?

Could be a weird interface bug

[chilly jolt]

Could it be possible for hunter meat/furs to go into the meat/fur pouch if your inventory is full instead of dropping on the ground?

[bronze kernel]

Right click pouch and select open.

Furs/meats will go into the pouch first when looted

[chilly jolt]

they're open

not when inventory is full

[bronze kernel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chilly jolt]

lol

[cedar grail]

ooo ill try that ty

[cedar grail]

that dosnt work either, rip.

@steel bobcat

[cedar grail]

@steel bobcat

[carmine junco]

I think they're already aware that this is an issue

[ashen yarrow]

modmail would be discord related issues, not ingame bugs or ingame reports and you dm it instead of tagging.

[cedar grail]

ah ty and back to back weeks on updates messing with my canoe xd

[ashen yarrow]

you can right click the report button ingame to report ingame bugs

[cedar grail]

i did that too

[carmine junco]

I think that's good enough

[obsidian venture]

It’s basically impossible not to make the time

[meager flame]

ya you basically have to be mega ass in cox to miss the timer theres a good chance you'll make it the first time if you actually know how to do the rooms

[rough frigate]

okay so this is from a few weeks ago by now, but after having the system for a while, i do have a small issue with the new quest xp tab in the skill guides

quests that require a skill, but lack an xp reward in that same skill, are not listed, giving you less of an overview of what the skill is actually needed for, an example of this is firemaking and desert treasure 2

although i would like for this potential quest requirement tab to be a side tab (eg, like infusing in the runecrafting guide) rather than a top tab (overview/quest xp)

[meager flame]

like i've actually taken a shower mid cox run and still made the timer lol

although that one got a little close because i wasn't trying to go fast

[obsidian venture]

I was doing a learner and stopping and explaining procedure + banking and we still had like 20min to spare

[chrome lantern]

Finally got around to wanting to use the River Dougne Canoe system

Why is the canoe station by the clocktower on the north side of the river?

[obsidian venture]

There’s a use for it? Legit question

[chrome lantern]

That's not where it was on the maps before release and makes it nearly completely useless

[chrome lantern]

Snowflake account lmao

But like this thing is actually worse than any possible combination of running or teleports

[obsidian venture]

Is there any potential use for max mains/irons

[chrome lantern]

No, because they put everything in really dumb spots

Tell me how this makes sense

It literally would've been faster for me to run here from the ardy cloak than use this canoe

And if I had the Battlefield spirit tree it would be better to just take that tree to the Tree Gnome Village

If they put this one here it could at least almost be relevant for the clue steps on that peninsula

And they could put the one at this fruit tree patch on the other side for the Observatory

And like what possible use case does this station have

This one's even worse though

I brought this up when they were proposing the idea for the canoe system but man

It's somehow far far worse than I thought it was going to be

Like the station by the clocktower was already kinda too far from the Ardougne cloak tele to be useful

But then they put it on the other side of the river?!?

[daring dagger]

Hi I don’t know where to put this, but I guess here? I’m killing skotizo on a restricted account and I noticed his tick speed is inconsistent. The wiki says he attacks every 6 ticks but it’s completely erratic when he does attack.

My accounts goal is to kill skotizo, but it would be impossible to judge his attack speed because of the inconsistency. The only way would be to 1 tick flick (which I’m not good at)

[chrome lantern]

Reminder that this was the original blog proposal

[obsidian venture]

Putting stuff on a blog so folks can understand it

Releasing it as per the blog

[ember token]

yeah and the locations match where they circled

[chrome lantern]

This one does not

But yes I pointed out when the blog came out that even if this were on the correct (south) side of the river, the other destinations would still be useless

The two north destinations are basically the same destination and not close to anything relevant

[silk thicket]

They circled an area they didn’t place a pin

[carmine junco]

The two north destinations are, per the update blog, for the gnome stronghold and fishing guild areas.

So, not close to anything relevant for people with actual teleports, but then that's the case for basically every conoe station.

[chrome lantern]

You would be better off running to the fishing guild and that's an awful spot for "gnome stronghold"

And also literally this is all just held back by the stupid fact they put the base station on the wrong side of the river

This is what I just mocked up as an edit to actually make it relevant

Going to post in #1022203837265756231

[carmine junco]

Where do you propose to put a gnome stronghold station? They're limited by the fact that it has to be by the river. You being incredulous that a typically slow transport method isn't that good is weird.

Genuinely baffling

[chrome lantern]

But basically:
-Put the Clocktower station where it was actually proposed
-Add agility shortcuts to make the two south stations actually relevant
-Put the northmost spot actually in the stronghold

[chrome lantern]

When the transport system is worse than walking it deserves to be called out

[silk thicket]

I do this ur taking this too seriously

[carmine junco]

Yes, really

It's crazy

[chrome lantern]

What do you define as "taking too seriously?"

[silk thicket]

This

[chrome lantern]

All that I did was point out that the current system isn't useful and propose simple and obvious alternatives

[carmine junco]

Everything about this

[silk thicket]

It’s not useful to you sure

[chrome lantern]

Is there a level of dissatisfaction that you wouldn't consider "taking it too seriously?" It feels like you think I'm up in arms rioting in Falador

[obsidian canyon]

what weapon is this? it looks like someone removed the Fang's curves

[carmine junco]

The sword from lms I think

[chrome lantern]

VLS yeah

[silk thicket]

Yeah maybe something like
Ah it would’ve been cool if the station was on the other side but it’s cool they expanded the canoe system

[chrome lantern]

I don't think it's cool that they added a new canoe system if it has 0 uses even for restricted accounts

[carmine junco]

It doesn't? I guess if they had access to ardy cloak and also infinite run energy then yeah

[scarlet dawn]

Same!

[obsidian canyon]

OMG he's doing it... Temu Torag

[chrome lantern]

The system is even less relevant if you don't have ardy cloak

[carmine junco]

And the ability to teleport to fishing guild and gnome stronghold

[silk thicket]

Yeah if it makes u angry that there’s a canoe station and u have the same amount of useful canoes as u did a week ago

Then I think ur taking it too srs

[chrome lantern]

The canoes on the River Lum are far more useful than these

[carmine junco]

When? I've basically never used one

[chrome lantern]

And that's an extremely low standard

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that's just an indicator of how bad these are

[carmine junco]

Huh?

[silk thicket]

Like fr I get it and it’s okay to want it on the other side but ur rly tunnelling on it

And acting like it’s useless for everyone

[chrome lantern]

Even canoes you haven't ever used are better than these

[silk thicket]

[carmine junco]

That doesn't make any sense, but you've clearly made up your mind

[silk thicket]

Yh I think u need to take a step back from the canoe system for ur own mental health

Unironically

[chrome lantern]

You guys are reading way too deep into what I'm saying lmao

[carmine junco]

You drew up diagrams of your ideal changes

[chrome lantern]

Yes, it took about 1 minute

Which is all the actual thinking it would've taken to just make a useful system in the first place

[oblique mesa]

I guess its closer to the spirit tree teleport?

[meager flame]

tbf jagex probably should've stepped away from it

not to be mean but like

its hard to think of a bigger waste of time lol

its a cool idea thematically right but like

when am i actually going to use this shit even if i remake a new account lol

if they wanna work on it to the point that its actually useful though i wouldn't be mad at it

[chrome lantern]

I made a post

[chrome lantern]

Yeah on new accounts you're also probably not even going to have the woodcutting levels to make these useful before you unlock something like spirit trees

[minor whale]

It's pretty easy to understand what Etube is saying ngl

These canoes are either all on the wrong side of the river to be close to where you're trying to go typically or they're literally between teleport locations that are closer to your destination anyway

So they functionally have no reason to exist

[meager flame]

yeah its not like most people should even need to be told just look at it and ask yourself when and why

once you realize its almost never and maybe once during a quest you'll see the problem lol

realistically i see maybe marginally different routing for a tree run

not that you should ever consider that because it takes fucking forever to actually use canoes but lol

they should have you build the stations one time and just delete the cut scene and then actual humans might do something with it

[chrome lantern]

I think that’s a good answer for the problems attempted to be covered by https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1437279699293438002 and https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1348787538021712013

I like that

Make it like building the rowboats on some of the Sailing islands

[tight brook]

dont even poll gem bag just release it I want to salvage but waiting

[meager flame]

im genuinely curious if some of those canoe stations are close enough together that its actually faster to run

[hasty shard]

make the cutscene toggleable

or do the objectively best option of speeding it up 4x so your character paddles super fast

[blissful topaz]

Make left click bury bone (ground object) toggeable

[hasty shard]

real

[blissful topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/kyriakos-grizzly-you-have-to-live-it-kyriakos-grizzly-boxing-kyriakos-grizly-gif-22955770

[tacit wharf]

just get bonecrusher

ez

[minor whale]

Oh another thing they "lied" about with sailing

The "attacking things on land from your boat"

is not a thing you can do basically anywhere

Trying it at the easiest accessible land creatures from sea, sand crabs, can't attack them. Even if they're accessible and attackable, it just says "You can't attack them from here"

[tacit wharf]

didnt they say they disable u from being able to

[hasty shard]

they did disable it but also attack range kinda sucks on a boat as-is

[minor whale]

They did, it's more that it was one of the early things about sailing combat they had announced

And then went back on

[south void]

Now that I'm lvl 87 sailing and I am making money from Frost Dragons, I love sailing. Everything before Frosts was a miserable time.

Just gotta hustle through the worst parts to get to the best parts ❤️

[buoyant hollow]

Anyone know when trouver update is coming into the game?

[south void]

They put out the blog. When is unknown.

[meager flame]

theres probably going to be further information

[south void]

As it was an unpolled change, they'll announce further when the change happens.

[whole glacier]

when will the canoe from ferox -> wildy be fixed?

[tacit wharf]

just walk to mossy pond from ferox

[whole glacier]

too slow

[tacit wharf]

guess u waiting at least 2 weeks then

so 2 weeks of lost time

which is slower

[whole glacier]

ok big boss

[gritty frigate]

This leagues is looking kinda disappointing so far. The relics all seem boring and nerfed. For a temporary game mode they should make it all OP

[zenith pike]

explain, are we weaker than before hopefully?

[south void]

Sorry you feel that way. Personally I've never played leagues but they are more than likely trying to balance the relics to stretch out the gameplay for the full 8 weeks time span

[languid ravine]

they released all the info yet?

seems like they are doing it in batches

[tacit wharf]

no they havent, and typically 1 relic and 1 other thing per day

can check the leagues blog to see what they release

[chrome lantern]

That was pretty negatively received and they decided not to yeah

[minor whale]

I'm quite glad we're a bit weaker
Getting even stronger every single league was so fucking boring last time

[chrome lantern]

I just want them to let us unlock everything eventually and have multiple viable combat styles

[minor whale]

I hope the combat masteries aren't easy as shit to get to t6 asap again

[chrome lantern]

My only two asks

Leagues 3 was the best by far because of those two things alone

[bronze kernel]

I hated Leagues 3 because there was too much content to grind

You were basically being told to build a maxed Ironman on a PServer

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I mean I'll be the first to say that they made it too easy to unlock everything

Its biggest flaws were that it was too easy to unlock everything and the interface sucked

When I say unlock everything I mean eventually, like a post-dragon-tier type thing

[meager flame]

tbh i dont really think leagues should get slower or nerfed or anything

going fast and having big stupid numbers is the singular reason to play a league

otherwise i'd just be doing it where the content is intended on the main game

[languid ravine]

will there be sailing

[full birch]

no

its disabled

[languid ravine]

dang

[candid echo]

There's a spectrum ranging from "just slightly accelerated progression" to "I'm so powerful I'm not having fun anymore" for leagues. It can be too overtuned and I think last league was the closest we had gotten to the "too powerful" end. I think there's still room to push there though

But like I'm not complaining about a slightly less powerful league. It means the power level of individual relics are being thought about and there are real decisions to make. Some leagues it feels like a lot of tiers just had one correct answer and you were screwing yourself over for picking anything else

[ashen yarrow]

over half the relics so far shown have been buffed or gotten combined with other relics increasing their functionality. Last stand only one that has been completely changed which can be considered being nerfed

[candid echo]

Larceny's effect being bumped up from t2 to t5 is 100% a nerf

[ashen yarrow]

it isnt though, it just means you need to do other tasks instead of afking thieving for 50m xp at low xp multiplier which was already bad thing to do. it will give you more loot and is more afk now

[candid echo]

Every place you used dodgy deals at last league got you at least 5x drops if not more. The magnification isn't a buff when you're forced to pick against better relics at a higher tier

Like literally the only thing Larceny has over dodgy deals is mult on stalls, which is not equivalent to three tiers higher on the list

Like I agree a lot of other relics are at a good power level but Larceny got nerfed by being put at a higher tier, with very slight rebalancing otherwise

[ashen yarrow]

yes and it is competing against fairies flight currently which is also moved from t3 into t5

[candid echo]

Fairies flight makes up half the relic homie. There's a whole other half

[ashen yarrow]

yes plants never die, yield 10x and free 50m farming xp from tithe farm. which would be so weak that they added fairies flight on top last minute

[candid echo]

It sounds like you're arguing another relic got nerfed there

[ashen yarrow]

larcenist is viable option in t5 because the other known relic is similar power level

[candid echo]

Like solving a time gated skill is not as weak as you think it is

[ashen yarrow]

the skill is still timegated the same way, unless you pick kourend for tithe farm

[candid echo]

I'm just gonna agree to disagree here

[winged mantle]

this has been the case since leagues 1 btw

"walkers"

[ashen yarrow]

the main reason people are complaining about nerfed league is because they combine relics with masteries power from last leagues and there have been no mastery reveals

[winged mantle]

once the full reveals have been shown people can form full opinions

[ashen yarrow]

also missing last recall/bankers note in current reveals

[winged mantle]

I would love if this league removed it

[gaunt minnow]

Isn’t the guaranteed max mage relic the strongest thing weve had so far

I remember as soon as I got shadow I was so strong that the game was just boring everything died in 2 hits

So I just quit

[ashen yarrow]

that was combat mastery not relic. combat masteries replaced with demonic pacts this season i think and we have no info about them yet

oh wait trailblazer reloaded did have guaranteed max hit on max hp target as relic, before masteries existed

[gaunt minnow]

Yeah that shit was so broken

With 2t shadow, doing about 300 damage to a mob before it even looks at you

[meager flame]

tbf its still like this

if you actually think about each league once you pick your areas then your relics or the reverse you're just solving for the ability to actually complete a check list of things like

does this gear do the most dps can i actually do these skills in an order that makes sense and did i forget something and now im stuck doing agility because i was dumb enough to not take hotfoot

so you end up not really having a choice unless you're cool with just kind of being wrong

which a lot of people are

but they're basically never actually balanced

usually when jagex does it well its like

friendly forager vs natures accord

this is good because now you dont view either tier as like the one good way to get herbs to do herblore or whatever

you just know that you have two routes to doing that and probably should pick one of them most of the time

and hotfoot is a bad example (so far) because we know agility is basically the worst skill to train in the game and the previous leagues method isn't present

so unless they provide something extra it seems like you almost have to take it atm

[ashen yarrow]

they have 2 t1 options that help train agility but hotfoot is biggest direct agility xp increase

[meager flame]

ya the problem is that those are like

really bad lol basically

although they might make some sense if you decided that like

fishing was your 200m skill

but idk how many people are planning to play the league for that long

[ashen yarrow]

barbarian will give 15m agility xp if you go 50m wc, mining and fishing. abundance is worst option but it does give +10% xp when doing the brimhaven agility obstacle spam between tickets

[meager flame]

tbh my main criticism for barb/endless harvest is that its kind of not fun even though they're both really powerful for afking to hit the 50m milestones for skills

i think most people are going to play one of the two though just because they seem too easy to not take

theres also some specific regions that change things a lot too like

if you're gonna take morytania you're going to actually have a good agility method

if you pick zeah you can turn abundance+natures accord into a kind of bummy golden god etc

[hasty shard]

you start with varlamore right

you can just do wyrm course

[meager flame]

yeah but that falls under the what have i done with my life section on doing agility when a lot of other things fell through lol

[tacit wharf]

come on my guy, we play rs....

[analog crow]

Yeah it’s not that deep
Unless you’re no-lifing for dragon trophy just pick what sounds fun

[hard axle]

Even then, just actively playing leagues = dragon cup.

You don't need to make complex plans or anything unless you're rushing for rank 1 all points or something.

[chrome lantern]

idk man the last two leagues I have played actively, completely regretted my
choices, and stopped in rune and addy rank because the system of irrevocable region and relic locking just breeds disappointment, especially for people who don’t care about or dislike the planning aspect of Leagues.

[round lintel]

Last league places I had the most fun was Tyrawn/Wildy and some part of Kourend because cox ez to go by

I did a total of 4 accts and Elf area was by far the easiest for points and fastest to complete

Kandarin was horrible choice and the echo thermy was way harder than most of the echo bosses

until i have Range t6 it was easier

Morytania was good because of the slayer helm and tob was easy to solo with t5 melee and range

Frem had the ring and amulet which lit made it so op and wasnt that hard to complete most of the tasks

I did not choose Desert for any though and it will keep this way for this league for sure

I got 2 dragon ranks and 2 rune ranks

Varlamore was fun to a point but moons was boring

most challenging was to complete all Colo CAs and 58k Glories

took me 15 KC total to accomplish them

I hated the tecu salamander task

ah and i didnt pick asgarnia in any acct

Asgarnia is a heavy grind and time consuming area

But is fun as there's soo much content

I think this year for my dragon rank iron ill go:

Varlamore/Karamja start + Kourend/Tyranwn/Fremennik

My main for fun:

Varlamore/Karamja Asgarnia/Morytania/Fremennik

[ashen yarrow]

asgarnia could be hard if you try to go for max points since you need to spam nex. It wasnt bad to solo with 100% accurate tbow but no guarantee that is option this league

[round lintel]

I prob would just mini mass if I go Asgarnia and on my main I wouldnt go for max points just a casual dragon rank

On my Iron Im choosing regions that I can solo everything and no need of a never miss with range relic

Or whatever they call it

[blissful topaz]

the left click bone bury option makes training prayer feel much smoother and less repetitive
it removes the need to constantly right click which improves overall gameplay flow
this change is especially helpful for new players as it makes basic mechanics more intuitive
it also shows that Jagex is focused on quality of life improvements that make the game easier to enjoy

[round lintel]

Just get morytania diaries done

[analog crow]

Counterpoint: force right click bone bury from inventory and include a dialogue box with a confirmation

[tidal lark]

im confused, hasnt burying bones always been left click? or am i just deep runelitewashed

[ashen yarrow]

they are talking about left click bury from floor

[tidal lark]

oh ok ty

[meager flame]

im ngl this guy is so dedicated its hilarious

i wish other good changes had crazy online warriors of this caliber to chase the jmods across the internet for months

[frozen lion]

the league's news spam is real

[nocturne solstice]

why would it not be

[round lintel]

anyone kind enough to share their thoughts on which regions they will go?

[minor whale]

Zeah (CoX is love CoX is life)
Mory (ToB is the best team content in game)
And undecided for now

[obsidian venture]

nothing atm

[meager flame]

i think zeah is honestly too strong and a lot of people are going to end up there

worst raid in a league by an absolute mile though

it shouldn't be but they're unwilling to invest in correcting the loot so they aren't able to make purples guaranteed like the other two raids

the other stuff i've noticed so far is that almost every region has weapons for echo boss loot

so hopefully its a tribrid league or that might just flat out decide the other two zones for almost everyone

it might anyways even if it is tribrid just because it would be kind of awkward if like