game-update

[fierce belfry]

this

explains so much

looks like it applies to cball damage too

thats so dumb

[languid tundra]

W update, I buy many cannon expecting number go up, number go down, very down

[meager flame]

W

[fierce belfry]

i was wondering why my cball max hits were like a 10 with no accuracy

[meager flame]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-smirk-try-not-to-laugh-gif-20026966

[languid tundra]

My cannons should be hitting 90s whilst I cosplay as a pirate, sailing in masori is crazy

[fierce belfry]

"we made this new ship combat change, and made this new creature just use the old system for no reason"

14.99 baby

[limber creek]

nostalgia n sheeit

[lime geyser]

Low key just wanted to spend 300 hours trying to get bottled storm from Vamyre Krakens, as opposed to 600. :p

[oblique mesa]

Minigame teleport added to the spellbook moved stuff around, think they said you can just use a runelite plugin to reorder the spells yourself :/

[ember token]

the playerbase really cannot handle having their muscle memory disrupted

[meager flame]

i think something jagex should do instead of accepting payment for runelite's work

is just put spell hiding etc in the base game

so that people can just go ahead and fix that regardless of if they understand how to use plugins or not

[ripe cradle]

u used to be able to do that till today. Now they moved every single spell and they dont lock into same spots they used to

[ember token]

yes because the spellbook has 7 spells per row now instead of 6

[ripe cradle]

6 instead of 5 but ye

[oblique mesa]

Oh wtf didn't see it got changed again today

[ripe cradle]

its completely fked now

[minor whale]

They can barely shove out the few updates we get as is, you want them to improve the client too??
Insanity

[meager flame]

i know its a lot of work but maybe if they earned that 15 people would feel differently

tbh

i cant believe the restraint adam has with runelite

[wet smelt]

adam being the lead dev?

[meager flame]

he should just shut it down and put jagex in the situation they belong in

[olive comet]

Veiled kraken located all the way south on the east side of the shrouded ocean (inside the tangled kelp)

[sand lichen]

anyone found a good safespottable place for em yet?

they all seem shite so far

[hollow python]

found one by the rock to the southwest

[wet smelt]

hopefully kraken makes cannon cheaper

i would like to play the game too ;-;

[fierce belfry]

isnt the cannon 3 mill already

[sturdy wolf]

choose a game mode yourself which in turn limits your game and give yourself self imposed restrictions

choose to complain that the game is hard due to your OWN restricions...
cmon bruh...

[wet smelt]

also, semi related, i kinda dislike that cannon damage is based on player ranged level

[ember token]

oh you know what i missed

they increased the defence levels of all the monsters too

[meager flame]

ya they're trying to counter any increase from allowing your weapons to do real damage

[ember token]

well not all but most

[meager flame]

which was changed because combat was too slow

[fierce belfry]

one step forward

[meager flame]

you kinda cant make it up

but hey lmao

[fierce belfry]

i still think flat damage 15 is insane tho

like wasnt the point of this entire change to make our weapons hit normal numbers

id rather see higher hp than this

[meager flame]

oh yeah i looked at that kraken's stats and just stared at it

[fierce belfry]

toascape

[meager flame]

tbh i think i may have just accepted that ship combat will always suck

hopefully their next blog about it is good though

[vale hornet]

Oh no the arbitrary limits I decided to impose on myself have limited me 😔

[fierce belfry]

the fact u cant pray against anything and just tank damage too kinda crazy

[wet smelt]

i think they should add a combat raft that can hold 3 cannons and nothing else

[restive storm]

this is my take since it was so bad in beta and they changed nothing lol

[lime geyser]

Why have i forsaken me!!

[meager flame]

its weird because technically i'd say they have been improving it over time

but the rate of change is scary

like

how many years are we gonna wait lol

[vale hornet]

Do hope you are still able to get all the drops you want/can 💜

[restive storm]

yeah i dunno, we're at what? 3 years of dev time rn? lol we coulda had so much cool stuff instead

[lime geyser]

Looking like i still can, just takes a bit more time. It's all good haha

[austere mulch]

“We understand that ship combat feels too slow so we decided to keep that the same, but now you hit harder”

[fierce belfry]

dont worry

they gave shit flat armor

u dont even hit harder

[austere mulch]

Peak comedy 😭

[meager flame]

yeah cannons big but actually small trust me you'll understand later

[fierce belfry]

15 flat armor btw

[restive storm]

maybe in september theyll make another tweak or two to ship combat -.-

[meager flame]

i know i fantasize about a big slow 7 tick weapon that maxes a 15 or whatever

idk about you guys but that really hits the spot when i think cannons

[fierce belfry]

15 flat applies to cballs too

its basically two thralls on my boat right now

[sand lichen]

no but honestly, how can they even release stuff that way at this point

[austere mulch]

In the nicest way possible, I just don’t think they have any idea what they’re doing when it comes to ship combat and this only makes me double down on the idea that ship combat was a mistake to have at launch

[fierce belfry]

its wild because even playing the beta ship combat just felt awful

it was the one thing i put in the survey that was just dogwater lol

everything else with sailing is rlly fun

i like trawling

[meager flame]

ya this is how i feel about it like lol im probably just gonna stop talking about ship combat in general its just not worth it

[fierce belfry]

but ship combat feels like im with an adamant scim and full rune killing an abyssal demon with no piety no protection prayers

[shrewd kindle]

The +15 Flat Armor is nuts 🥲

[minor whale]

Also people on Reddit reporting the flat armor might be bugged

Doing 44 damage max hit in poh, 20 max hit against new Krakens

So that's 24 instead of 15

[tender harness]

Good thing we are paying $14.99 now for such quality

[meager flame]

i think this is entirely possible and its something i considered like

even if flat armor was supposed to apply to regular damage it very well might be a bug that its applying to cannon damage too

but still this update is crazy

[fierce belfry]

surely its a bug when its applying to cballs?

[meager flame]

idk how you get 4+ months of combat feedback and this is it

[fierce belfry]

theres no way thats intended right

surely

[crisp copper]

IMO ship combat feels a lot better right now, the only thing that feels bad is that I only have cannons on 1 side and if my kraken escapes to the other side my cannons cant see it. idk I guess I just want to be able to build 4 cannons on a boat lol

[fierce belfry]

im hitting up to 45 with my bolt procs in full range str + range potted

[minor whale]

If you use 2 NPCs with adamant cannonballs your max hit is 4 against the new Krakens lmaoooo

[fierce belfry]

15 sounds about right to me?

maybe just bad rng

[minor whale]

They really needed to launch a super well received and polished update this week if they wanted to brush last week under the rug

Unfortunately they failed at that lmao

[meager flame]

just another bull milk update

actually i shouldn't even say that the cow boss update was the best one in months

[restive storm]

that is so depressing to think about lol

i kinda hate that i really want to like the game again

but its just not happening w/ the current development pathway

[wet smelt]

so right now the 30% increase in cost gets us a cow boss we cant even milk

[fierce belfry]

the only one in months too

not a high bar

[sage flax]

the flat armour doesnt affect eye go crazy

[meager flame]

ya but at least it was like

[fierce belfry]

oh rlly

[meager flame]

a real update idk how to describe it

[fierce belfry]

ty im banking right now

[gritty frigate]

Back in my day we had quests being pumped out every other week. And a single intern developed monkey madness

[ember token]

magic ignores flat armor

[meager flame]

thats the kind of almost weekly update jagex used to give us all the time

[fierce belfry]

goated

isnt shadow just better then?

[ember token]

supposedly diamond bolt procs also ignore flat armor

[restive storm]

the fact that its the biggest the teams ever been, and the least content we've ever received is really puzzling to me lol

like what are they all doing?

[meager flame]

if they could drop like 2 or 3 cow updates a month

it would be looking good

[gritty frigate]

"Maintenance"

[meager flame]

thats how it used to be

now its usually waits for big area expansions or whatever

[gritty frigate]

Imo they should make a boss for every turael slayer task

[restive storm]

big empty area expansions 🙁

[opal urchin]

Dear Jagex,

Ignoring the membership problem is not working. Please at least acknowledge us or apologize. Pushing updates as if nothing is wrong is a huge elephant in the room that must be addressed.

Thanks,
The OldSchool RuneScape Playerbase

[restive storm]

at least we have the egg competition to keep us busy until raids 4 launch this fall right?

[gaunt minnow]

I love flaming jagex but I don’t agree that this game is lacking content at all

I hope all of you are zuk helmers on your hardcores

If there’s so little content in this game

[restive storm]

zuk helm is for like .001% of the game not for everyone lol

aint nobody wanna do that grind

[gritty frigate]

Jagex should've done the hamburger method. Prepared 2 solid content updates. 1 to release before the price increases and 1 to release after, softens the blow and we all kinda forget

[gaunt minnow]

In fact a lot of people do that grind and it’s not unavailable

[meager flame]

i think this is the plan

[gaunt minnow]

But you lot would rather sit here and moan there’s no content

Rather than pot the next raid

[restive storm]

but its unfun to do, so not really worth spending time doing

[meager flame]

they're just sweating because they had to give that 1 month advance notice before the league

[gaunt minnow]

If grinding the coolest flex items in the game is unfun

[meager flame]

because they need the price increase to hit before people sub for league

[gaunt minnow]

Then maybe an mmo isn’t for you

[fierce belfry]

bm rises delayed for 6 months ggs

[restive storm]

just the wrong kind of mmo

[gaunt minnow]

If you just want. Bunch of cow bosses

[restive storm]

pvm is boring

[gaunt minnow]

There plenty of single player games

Where you can do that

[gritty frigate]

Bmr better give us bow swords and Japanese architecture

[meager flame]

didn't this already happen

pretty sure we're supposed to already be playing that quest

based on the original timeline lol

[fierce belfry]

that is what im referring to yes

[meager flame]

oh i thought you were saying bm rises 2027

and tbh

[fierce belfry]

delayed for 6 months and then its also the only one of out two updates we get this entire year

[meager flame]

i wouldn't even be shocked

[fierce belfry]

😄

[rapid birch]

What exactly is there to address. This came from corporate and isnt changing, you want them to put out a statement that says "we know this is unpopular but isnt changing?"

[meager flame]

stuff like this is why i wish runelite was willing to reality check corporate

[gaunt minnow]

This guy wasn’t around for the last price rises where they did the same thing and didn’t sa anything

[restive storm]

just put out some kinda content that makes it reasonable at the very least

[fierce belfry]

ty for whoever pointed out mage ignores flat armor

using shadow over zcb doubles my killspeed

[obsidian venture]

Well they gave the plan out and we ain’t seeing nothing till summer

Leagues apr 15

[gaunt minnow]

We got leagues in1 month

And we just had dmm

[obsidian venture]

Unless surprise update

[gaunt minnow]

And we’re having dmm all stars

[restive storm]

leagues

[obsidian venture]

Yeah main game

[gaunt minnow]

What is the complaining about lol

[meager flame]

yeah we're just living the dead month where people get mad and they're praying that when the league hits people just forget

[restive storm]

dmm all stars isnt for us even we cant play that

[fierce belfry]

that we dont get maingame updates?

[meager flame]

but damn can you imagine

[fierce belfry]

whats so hard to wrap your head around

[gaunt minnow]

Let’s see ur maxed main?

[meager flame]

if runelite just said cya the day the league started

it would be peak content

[gaunt minnow]

If you’re so ready for new content I hope you’re a zuk helmer with 1600 clogs

[dire mango]

You will watch the content creators play the game and you will be happy about it! Understood?

[fierce belfry]

hello

[gaunt minnow]

I said I love flaming jagex

[meager flame]

bc honestly the runelite guys should feel some type of way with how this has been going

[ember token]

maxed, master tier CAs, 1150 clogs, i want more maingame content instead of temporary gamemodes

[fierce belfry]

ur right tho just an iron

[meager flame]

they give us more qol and ui work than jagex does

[gaunt minnow]

Bro links the gim surely not

Cmon bruh

[meager flame]

and they do it for free

[minor whale]

You can complain the updates are few and far between these days without being a completionist lmao

[fierce belfry]

i have no idea what you are trying to say

[meager flame]

so its crazy to then see jagex raise prices when the guys holding up the game don't even get to see any money in the first place

lmao

they should definitely make jagex fix their own client

[minor whale]

Oh boy I sure love that instead of engaging content I get to fight a cow boss that dies in 1.2 seconds, this sure is some "content"

I can't complain though, I get to watch content creators fighting on a private world soon!

[restive storm]

lack of content killed the game for me

[obsidian venture]

Like main game wise, this is pretty ass

[gaunt minnow]

My point is you guys are crying about having new content and all your do is pot Brutus and sit at the GE, the people who are engaging with the content they’re releasing like end game chase items are more than happy

[minor whale]

Oh, and the 2nd temporary gamemode this year!

[languid tundra]

What kind of logic even is it

[gaunt minnow]

But it’s always the 1500 andies crying on reddit and discord

[obsidian venture]

I personally do not care for dmm or leagues. They should still update the main game

[minor whale]

No they are not lmao

This is one of the most out of touch things I've ever read

[ember token]

i want more than 3 quests a year

[meager flame]

brother i just said brutus was the best update in months and i have two maxed accounts

[obsidian venture]

No cap I’d love for 10 quests a year

[meager flame]

lets stick with reality here lmao

[fierce belfry]

bro im a zuk helm gm with max stats and max endgame gear on an iron

[minor whale]

The end game players have been begging for content for years and we get maybe 1 content per year worth going 'cool this'll tide us over for a few months'

[fierce belfry]

did it not fit your narrative or what

[restive storm]

everyone just posted their max main saying they're bored, now we're scapegoating the poor 1600 total noobies

[languid tundra]

Don’t complain about lack of content unless you’re a zuk helmer has to be rage bait

[obsidian venture]

I’m also maxed but no helm

[dark raven]

Guys we got a skill that you afk for 2 weeks and then completely ignore because it doesn’t interact with the rest of the game at all what are you complaining about smh!!!!!!

[restive storm]

thats cuz nobody cares to go for zuk helm, that grinds not fun lol

[obsidian venture]

As no point for me till speeds

[gaunt minnow]

Maybe when you progress past Brutus then come back and moan 👍🏼

[minor whale]

Clearly you're just a 1500 Andy and not someone who desperately wants enjoyable content instead of 6 months of slop and temporary shit lmao

[fierce belfry]

??????

[minor whale]

He's just baiting

[obsidian venture]

Like you kinda have to be blind. People want main game updates

Not temp stuff

[meager flame]

its just funny because like a ton of the people typing are people that put in obscene hours

[ashen yarrow]

jagex can never print out enough content to satisfy people who are "done" with old content. They also need to focus on other parts instead of just end game

[fierce belfry]

they did

they used to

[restive storm]

least of all we dont want temp stuff that we aren't even allowed to play like what?

[minor whale]

What are they focusing on right now exactly

Tweaks they had known were an issue since beta, and bug fixes?

[restive storm]

like oh you're bored of the game? lucky for you DMM allstars is coming so you can watch other people have fun

[fierce belfry]

dmm allstars is peak content for sure

[restive storm]

absolutely not

[minor whale]

I'm so excited to watch other people play the game while I get nothing until June!

[meager flame]

yeah like i dont want to bash their attempt but at the same time how is this it after this many months

[gaunt minnow]

Let’s get one thing straight because I’m meming but a gim is not an iron

[stark dome]

Yay boat combat

[obsidian venture]

Dmm into leagues into all star dmm is cool and all for the games outreach. That unfortunately sucks when they use that as an excuse to not update the main game. Even if they spent most of the time on other stuff, if they added a quest, that would suffice

[meager flame]

it should be studied

[fierce belfry]

mhm

[obsidian venture]

And we aren’t getting anything till maybe rebalance

[languid tundra]

Funniest part about temp modes is basically having to do it on a alt if you plan on afking the main on the side

[ember token]

this upcoming league has to be the best, most amazing league so far and even then it still wouldnt make up for BMR getting delayed months

[obsidian venture]

Then bmr

[meager flame]

because the last time they did dmm league and gim release and the main game suffered heavily they apologized and followed it up with a raid and big quest

and this time they're doing exactly all of the above again

idk how that happens twice

[minor whale]

Surely they'll learn next time!

[fierce belfry]

im sure the league is gonna be fun

[minor whale]

We just gotta give them one more chance to push deadlines back and release nothing enjoyable for months and then Leagues will save us all

[fierce belfry]

doesnt exactly remove the fact that maingame content drought is insane this yr

[meager flame]

bc you know next year after the raid

[restive storm]

pls pour one out for thsoe of us that dont play leagues

[meager flame]

we're getting our rotm headliner quest

and its going to look just like toa into dt2

[minor whale]

We definitely won't get burnt out from Leagues where this time you get a tbow for pickpocketing a man in Lumbridge and become op in 13 minutes

[dire mango]

The zuk helm is a group project. If the total tasks in the group is 637 then that's a zuk helm.

[fierce belfry]

just embrace leaguescape

u get to play 3 leagues this year

[restive storm]

leagues is awful

[minor whale]

We'll be playing leagues for months, like everyone always does

[fierce belfry]

dmm, leagues, rs3 leagues

peak content

[meager flame]

and we're just going to have a down year waiting on it all to hit

[minor whale]

And definitely not for a week before getting bored

[obsidian venture]

They never do

[fierce belfry]

playing rs3 league blind as an osrs player was pretty fun ngl

[meager flame]

ya like maybe i'll go for dragon in 2 weeks or so like the last league if its fun

but then what lol

[languid tundra]

Think there will be a post quest boss/bosses?

[meager flame]

yeah theres gonna be something like originally it was glacors and i wouldn't be surprised if we got those

because they're interesting enough npcs

but probably also more than that

[ember token]

also theres still 1 more mahjarrat quest before the finale

[minor whale]

Surely 1 single post-quest boss will keep us all engaged for 6 months until Raids 4 (gets delayed)

It'll of course take 5 months for the CAs for the new boss to get released

[fierce belfry]

aslong as raids 4 is fun its fine

its the one thing they cant halfass this year

[restive storm]

im cool with them delaying content so its released finished, like sailing def shoulda been delayed. But just their priorities on what content they choose to make feels so outta whack rn

[fierce belfry]

toa

[gaunt minnow]

That’s got nothing to do with what I said

An iron stands alone and can’t trade with other players

Gims can trade

[austere mulch]

Obviously this is a hyperbole, but if the conversation is content experienced, then it shouldn’t really matter the account type that you experience it on

But yeah, there is a lot of content available in general. The amount of content at the top end is pretty lackluster though

[gaunt minnow]

Play a gim all you like but it’s copium to call it an iron

[meager flame]

im like 99% sure we're just rage baiting

[ashen yarrow]

even if they release raids4 people will be complaining about lack of content in next 1-2 weeks

[fierce belfry]

why dont you go ragebait somewhere else

its rlly tiring

[ember token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/269673599554551808/1469210285108887683/590px-Ridgeley.webp

[gaunt minnow]

Yep and they’re all 1600 total level players who bank stand all day

[restive storm]

i probably will still be because they just havent made any content i enjoy for like 5 years at that point

[gaunt minnow]

‘ we have no content!!!! ‘

• Doesn’t engage with any new content

[restive storm]

and to make matters worse theyve actively removed the content i enjoy

[austere mulch]

Temporary game modes for the first 6-8 months of a year with one main game “content” aka meme cow boss release is plenty reason for criticism

[obsidian venture]

According to Jagex it is! Shouldn’t argue with meme points 😅

[languid tundra]

I’ve known of your existence for like 15/20 minutes and in that time you’ve moved the goalposts 15 times @gaunt minnow

[meager flame]

ya its very easy to see the problem

imagine you just dont play temp modes but you love playing osrs

wow this year fucking sucks really fast

but dont worry

theres more sailing blogs and updates on the way :)

[fierce belfry]

nothing inherently wrong with sailing updates

[restive storm]

imagine you're a pvper, enjoyed dmm for 2 weeks, now you wait knowing you're not getting another content update for like 2 years 🙁

[obsidian venture]

This year is extremely heavy on temp modes. Bmr and raids 4 better be the best things in game

[meager flame]

oh i know but they're challenging that thought heavily

[fierce belfry]

i only have an issue with every update being like

we moved 1 tree 2 tiles diagonally

[ashen yarrow]

yeah if you are done with all the old content and are only waiting for new end game content it can get boring, but even if they release new end game content you will be basically done with it in 100-200 hours, which is 1-2 weeks for the hardcore players

[fierce belfry]

or the temp gamemodes being back to back

[restive storm]

so true lmao

[meager flame]

yeah they're like hmm so after our extremely in depth scientific process of assessing your feedback

[fierce belfry]

if they had done dmm -> bmr -> leagues

no one would be complaining

[meager flame]

we've decided to make cannonballs slightly more reasonable and uh basically nothing else

we'll see you again in 3 months

[restive storm]

this is why id much prefer they release replayable content like pvp

[mint rune]

Something being slightly less bad is a far cry from making it good.
I don't understand the people calling this update great, or even decent

[fringe rivet]

sea monsters also have more hp, so it uhh, basically nothing changed

[fierce belfry]

we have decided to increase cball max hit and given everything flat armor

thanks for playing oldschool runescape

(but actually)

[fringe rivet]

o and these new kraken have high resistance to cannons, lmao

I've been here for 5 minutes

[meager flame]

tbh i refuse to believe its intended

this is just the worst timed bug for them ever

[fierce belfry]

its chill

shadow kills veiled krakens really fast

[thick beacon]

i thought the idea was u need good pvm gear

[fringe rivet]

I legit have no idea with Jagex tbh.

on what is a "bug" and what isn't

[meager flame]

like i wouldn't even be surprised if magic bypassing the flat armor is actually intended for the cannon

and they just had a typo

[ember token]

well its not new

[ashen yarrow]

are you at least using adamant or higher tier cannonballs? But i am sad that they went the way of appeasing end game players who want to utilize their max gear as main dps source in sailing

[ember token]

magic has always bypassed it

[meager flame]

oh

well

my faith may have been misplaced

lmao ngl

[fierce belfry]

rune yh

it maxes an 11 i think

on veiled

[fringe rivet]

and I am sad they appeased the masses by making salvaging the defacto way to train the skill, with 30 minute afk times and exp rates that put everything else to shame

[meager flame]

the thing that blows my mind here

[fierce belfry]

with bad accuracy its basically two thralls

[meager flame]

is that basically

[restive storm]

tbh im glad they did this cuz the rest of the skill kinda sucked

[meager flame]

it was too slow and boring

[gaunt minnow]

What sort of logic is that? If you don’t like the content that’s fine but don’t complain that they’re not releasing content just because you don’t like it, it’s clearly extremely popular and most people do actively want it

[meager flame]

and they did backflips to preserve it being slow and boring

[restive storm]

so the skip was at least nice to have and just afk thru it

[meager flame]

they could've just let us demolish some shit and make the rates make sense

[fringe rivet]

yippe

[ashen yarrow]

i am wondering if crewmates are "bugged" now since they said crewmates on cannons no longer scale with sailing level

[gaunt minnow]

Just because you choose not to engage with it doesn’t mean it’s not content

[fringe rivet]

my prize is a mystic water stuff

[ashen yarrow]

havent gone to test sailing combat myself yet though

[gaunt minnow]

You’re just choosing to not do it

[restive storm]

right but also when you put out content that plenty of people dont want, as clearly many of us dont want this stuff, then dont be suprised when people complain about it lol

if you like it good for you, go play it lol

[meager flame]

hes just ragebaiting lol

[drifting ginkgo]

also content for main game doesn't vanish after 3 months

[meager flame]

its not even worth reading

[gaunt minnow]

Sure but what have they ever released that’s made 100% of people happy? Just admit you’re annoying about the price increase, this game has a shit load of content and is always releasing way more than any other game

That’s what you’re annoyed about

[restive storm]

HOLY airball

[thick beacon]

if leauges wasint pouplar they wouldint do it esp with it being a temp mode

[mint rune]

[restive storm]

my man ive said im a pvper like 10 times how do you think the price increase is what got me lol

[meager flame]

ya this is for sure true it just sucks because we lose actual good and permanent content

[ashen yarrow]

it kinda does for the players who never go back to it. like how many maxed players are going back to low level bosses after green logging instead of crying that there is no content

[meager flame]

so they can run a temp mode that disappears forever

[gaunt minnow]

I’m a pvper as well but I’m not gonna sit here and cry about it, I’ll just engage it whatever else they release

[restive storm]

you do that man, then youre way more of a pvmer than i am lol

[plucky kernel]

Leagues and dmm brings in the bacon for jagex, there is a reason why they keep the temp game modes. Lots of people love it.

[tacit pendant]

We are certainly due for a league. But we also arent getting much content post sailing until bmr. Both can be true

[gaunt minnow]

Depends how you look at it in

[vast topaz]

i dont mean to exaggerate or anything but changing the spellbook every update is the most disgusting decision ever

[thick beacon]

i agree and they havint been innovative at all like 4/5 leauges some form of region locking. idm them slowing down maingame updates cuz they have been cooking. but anything but leauges. wish they never thought of leauges 1 tbh

[gaunt minnow]

Compared to LITERALLY any other mmo we ge dooo much more content

And it’s not even close

[vast topaz]

my spellbook orientation will never look normal again

[drifting ginkgo]

brother we got 3 raids in 10yrs

[restive storm]

idk man in the time we've gotten our last like two pvp updates, i've played thru like 5-6 different wow expansions

[gilded granite]

Hey, is this feedback relating to the 'other' changes section with the spelling mistake being corrected? I can pass it on, just wanna ensure we're talking about the same thing

[gaunt minnow]

Good observation bud what’s your point?

[restive storm]

some multiple times

[ember token]

im guessing theyre referring to the position of spells being moved around - there's an extra spell on each row of the arceuus spellbook now to fix that one spell being missing entirely, and some people hate having their muscle memory messed with

[restive storm]

u know how down bad we are for me to be giving blizzard props?

[minor whale]

They use DMM as a stand in for pvp updates at all, because "don't complain you get a whole temp gamemode!"

Then they use Leagues as a stopgap for having nothing else to do main game for 3 more months and we can't complain about that either because "so many people love it"

Really just sounds like you're saying never complain ever because despite fuck-all being added main game at least we get to play temp gamemode #3 in 6 months!

[tacit pendant]

I think theyd be referencing the minigame teleport and leaning on runelite as the only option to customize (also pvp you cant use all that so)

1000% we are due on a pvp update.

[thick beacon]

i think creating leauge prob takes a lot of dev time though/resources. theres other things they can focus on

[gaunt minnow]

It’s embarrassing that anyone even thinks about comparing blizzard to jagex and that’s from someone who actively has a wow subscription

Blizzard is a joke of a company

[restive storm]

thats sadly the state that osrs is currently in, as someone whose played both for like 20 years

[meager flame]

yeah they're cooked relying on runelite to fix the interface but also you can't modify that interface if its pvp

[minor whale]

Hahahaha
Blizzard support is so far ahead of RS support that saying it's unfair to Jagex is unbelievable

[tacit pendant]

Simple let us modify it outselves for pvp

[thick beacon]

worst part is like 90% ppl playing leauge quit after like 3-5days

[minor whale]

There's absolutely things to praise Blizzard for

[vast topaz]

Hello, no. The minigame teleport addition initially ragged the spells position in the book interface, which could be fixed by just putting it all the way at the end (bottom right), but now the arceuus spellbook is ragged again.

I tried putting it all the way at the bottom and it completely messed up my spellbook.

[minor whale]

Correct
It's 3 months of content that gets a boost for a week or 2

And once you're bored you go back to 3 months of nothing content main game

[gaunt minnow]

Funny only people who don’t play wow say this

[meager flame]

it just feels weird that they just slap things in there and throw in a line like

lol just fix it yourself with runelite

[tacit pendant]

I got rune rank minimum the last 3 leagues, and yeah people drop in droves after a week. Its a fair arguement that the same energy going into more content might be good

[meager flame]

like how about we fix the base game client instead of relying on unpaid work from fans

[restive storm]

im literally playing it rn wdym

[minor whale]

It must be hard to not be able to read

Blizzard support is astronomically better than Jagex support and is worth praising them for

[vast topaz]

I would post the spellbook screenshot but I don't have permissions yet.

[gaunt minnow]

Same I’m levelling a hc

[ember token]

dm it to me and ill post

[plucky kernel]

While most players quit leagues after like a couple of weeks, those two weeks are really awesome and makes it all worth it imo.

[restive storm]

so then you're just disagreeing with yourself? lol

[teal hinge]

This has to be a bug lol, the amount of 0's on the new kraken is wild

[meager flame]

i think those two weeks are sometimes pretty great for me when i play a league

[minor whale]

2 weeks of fun doesn't really excuse ignoring main game

[tacit pendant]

Can we just start trimming some of the pvp exclusive controls "quirks". Adjust skill floor and leave the cieling alone where possible

[meager flame]

i dont think i ever would've considered it worth it though honestly

i'd rather have fun content that lasts forever

[thick beacon]

id rather they just try to release another update instead of another leauge. pretty sure every year we have a leauge we get less maingame content.

[gaunt minnow]

Are you that thick? Cmon bro not trying to insult you.

I’ve repeatedly said my stance is that blizzard releases no new content and jagex does. What the hell does that have to do with me playing wow?

[minor whale]

I love leagues but if it was between leagues or consistent main game updates I'd leave leagues in the dirt

[ember token]

they have 15 flat armor, so any non magic hit below a 15 is a 0

[restive storm]

what you said here, i disagree with and am playing rn

[minor whale]

Leagues also gets such a popularity boost because it's a time when a lot of players go do the 'new' content together

[meager flame]

the biggest boost is that its aimed at people that dont play osrs

[tacit pendant]

Rs3 gets more content than osrs. And thats as close to a comparable game as were gonna get lol

[plucky kernel]

I think osrs needs both temp modes and good consistent updates.

[thick beacon]

idt they can do both

[minor whale]

Unfortunately it's only been getting temp gamemodes

[gaunt minnow]

I mean you’re level 25 and I bet have never seriously raided to Eve a CE level

So I don’t think you get to talk

[minor whale]

Ritzy can you stop baiting for like 30 seconds

[restive storm]

CE raiding

[gaunt minnow]

Bro refuses to engage with content

[restive storm]

i stopped retail pveing back in original mop

[thick beacon]

2020-pre toa was such a darkage for maingame but also with some of the peakest leauges

[gaunt minnow]

And then complains there’s no content

[restive storm]

and just pvped

[gaunt minnow]

?????????????

Make it make sense

[ashen yarrow]

could be unintended mix of things, people saying kraken has +15 flat armor which was probably only supposed to affect player damage and they might have nerfed crewmates on cannon when they removed sailing level scaling from them. Hasnt been confirmed so might also just be players trying to find more reasons to hate on updates

[meager flame]

i mean i've raided to hof level so this is looking just like when he told a bunch of maxed people they were 1500 total level not too many minutes ago

[restive storm]

theres a content drought, of content i enjoy yes

[meager flame]

its kind of crazy to be that wrong that many times but

hes doing it

[gaunt minnow]

Sounds like you’re better off playing league

[plucky kernel]

Last year was rich in game updates but no temp gamemodes. This year kinda makes up for it with two temp modes.

[thick beacon]

just scrap leauges entirely please untill after raids 6

[gaunt minnow]

That game has some good PvP

[restive storm]

tried it didnt like it

[gaunt minnow]

So what it boils down to is squintzz doesn’t like any end game content jagex or blizzard releases

[tacit pendant]

Give us one pvp update in 2026 and customer support and i personally would be happy with the roadmap

[gaunt minnow]

But he gets to decide their direction

Understood

[tacit pendant]

At $12 lol

[restive storm]

thats not entirely true, i did a lotta TOA on release of that on the pure and main, also have 2 maxed accounts so like obviously i play the game a lot

but when we spam boring endgame pvm updates only, and remove the main part of the game i enjoyed without updating it, yeah obviously i get bored of it?

[thick beacon]

sounds like u enjoy skilling?

[restive storm]

its also rough cuz like TOA i did with my pvp friends, but now that theyve all quit it makes that kinda harder

[restive storm]

i do yeah, but i used to kinda enjoy it for making cool accounts that id then use in pvp, like my pure is 2200 total and then ii have my maxed main

theres currently no reason to really make any other account builds

[tacit pendant]

Pvp needs major major love and fresh ideas

[restive storm]

since you cant really pvp like 20 hours a day or you'd go insane you'd have to do other things and usually for me that was skilling

[tacit pendant]

GGs had my mouth watering seeing fights in boss arenas with no freezes. Obviously not exactly that but a place to brid with no/weaker freezes and maybe environmental hazards would be an easy start

[gaunt minnow]

PvP needs something because the state it’s in is shocking

[tacit pendant]

If only there was an arena of sorts where rulesets could be adjusted and cosmetic rewards could be added

[gaunt minnow]

No one can deny that

It’s embarrassing frankly

[restive storm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/handshake-of-the-gods

[tacit pendant]

And like people would bond alts or resub for real content

Sooo

[restive storm]

since jagex implemented the pj timer and killed like 80% of all wildy activity blizzard has somehow implemented solo shuffle, bg blitz (and im not even a retail guy) and we've gone through like 5 different classic expansions that you can pvp in lol

and those devs couldnt care less about pvp over there lol

[tacit pendant]

We dont even have a small team format in any capacity

Unheard of in pvp games that allow more than 1v1

[meager flame]

I feel like jagex’s update logic is basically an optimized speed run for making sure pvp is going to permanently decline

[restive storm]

would have to agree, my guess would be they just wanna remove it perma and lump it all into dmm to run once every other year or somethin

[tacit pendant]

Its funny cuz pk content on youtube is actually a huge free ad space for them

[meager flame]

They just loop through what gets revenue from the most people and prioritize that making sure that it’s actually impossible to turn it around

[tacit pendant]

It got me back into the game in general

[meager flame]

It’s the same way we lose main game content for leagues

[restive storm]

it was definitely for the longest time, even now all those guys are just on hardcores

[meager flame]

They just slotted in absolutely anything before pvp

[restive storm]

its depressing

[tacit pendant]

Agreed

[restive storm]

just cant pretend i care to watch that content for the 500th time for them to die to wintertodt or something (sorry no shame ily dubie)

[tacit pendant]

"Yall said no to wrathmaw, clearly nobody likes pvp"

[meager flame]

Basically they allowed the players to prevent pvp long enough for pvp to decline

[drifting ginkgo]

Wrathmaw my beloved 😢

[meager flame]

Then use the decline as evidence to not update pvp

[restive storm]

i mean ill agree wrathmaw was just a bad idea in general lol, but that didnt mean we should never update pvp again 🙁

[meager flame]

It’s basically an impossible loop to break free from unless they invest

[north prairie]

With the new cannon facility changes, we're still limited to 2 cannons per boat

Was hoping we'd get 2 each side

[tacit pendant]

Kinda ok with that

[north prairie]

Why? That wouldnt hurt anything lol

[ashen yarrow]

1. there is not enough crewmates with high privateering, 2. it would increase cannon dps and jagex wanted to keep it same

[tacit pendant]

Its a decision to be made. But my line of thinking isnt valid until more combat updates so

[languid tundra]

I mean the issue is, 90% of ‘pvpers’ aren’t actually trying to fight other pvpers, they’re just focusing people who primarily pvm, and those people are not only the larger portion of the player base but they also have no interest in doing the same

[north prairie]

There's 3 who can use adamant, and 2 who can use rune, so yeah there is

And nobody can use dragon anyway

[restive storm]

well the other problem is that most pvpers cant fight each other in singles anyway due to the pj timer. So you're only real option currently is farming pvmers

which is boring

[tacit pendant]

Yeah we need deathmatch content. Perhaps all skulled or all not skulled for even risk

Something something nh bh crater

Something something emirs arena

They wont fix shit they already have

[ashen yarrow]

2 can use rune/dragon, 1 can use addy/mith

[tacit pendant]

Let alone try new formats

[ashen yarrow]

so 4th would be player or crewmate on steel cannon

[stark karma]

Why are thye trying to add more tiers of kraken instead of something more interesting??

[tacit pendant]

Reskin is faster

[restive storm]

didnt have to spend the time making all new npcs can just recolor and touch up

[languid tundra]

Bandaid fix, easier to reskin something than build something that actually is content

[stark karma]

But we dont need a bandaid. New npc doesn't really fix combat.

[restive storm]

better luck late september

[stark karma]

Just work in combat and later introduce more engaging monsters.

[restive storm]

maybe theyll update it again

[tacit pendant]

Literally coulda put barrels as a rare reward to bounty tasks

God forbid we do those

[minor whale]

Just gotta wait 4 months for any issues about it to be fixed

Unluggy

[austere mulch]

And even this is extremely optimistic because it assumes Raid4 doesn’t get delayed from EOY to 2027

[tacit pendant]

Raids 4 is gonna be 2027 aint no way its mid holidays

[north prairie]

Wrong. There's 3 with 4 privateering. Well 1 is 3 but they can all use mith

[stark karma]

Are yall all maxed ?

[restive storm]

yes

[drifting ginkgo]

ye

[ashen yarrow]

when did they add new one that isnt on wiki?

[north prairie]

It's been on the wiki

[tacit pendant]

Im 2250, 1.9k on my iron

[stark karma]

Wouldn't yall prefer they take a little longer than give you a shiy update ?

[drifting ginkgo]

I mean yes

[ashen yarrow]

olga and jittery jim 4 privateering, zarah 3 privateering

[restive storm]

yes but theyre currently taking WAY longer and still botching all the updates

[drifting ginkgo]

But it's been a while since I was really happy with an update so am mad

[tacit pendant]

Preferably its not late and needs 4 fixes

[drifting ginkgo]

yama was midgame instead of endgame, Doom was good but was so fast to greenlog that it didn't really scratch the itch

[stark karma]

Hmmm trying to figure out how they can update better, give us more for the price increase, yet not take 6 years for everything

[tacit pendant]

Doom/sailing was hella bugged not balanced

[fierce belfry]

doom wasnt that bad lol

yama was pretty bad with contracts (literally uncompleteable)

[restive storm]

thankfully never had to do doom just buy boots and gg

so that one was fine by me

[tacit pendant]

If you were a hc it was. Removed splinters, changed car meta week 2

[restive storm]

hardcores

[stark karma]

What if we removed 50 percent of f2p worlds to help with costs and buy more devs lolol

[tacit pendant]

A great update but lets not pretend it had enough QA

[stark karma]

5 bucks buys a dev right

[gilded granite]

So after looking into this, I think this is a specific RL issue since it's not happening on our client. I can't see anything that we changed on our end outside of the typo

[meager flame]

This is just how it goes tbh

[tacit pendant]

Surely 30% more money means it dont gotta be

Surely

[frail nebula]

Removing splinters from doom was such a stupid change

[meager flame]

Pvm update drops people figure out something clever and a war is being waged about rates because everyone thinks it should feed families forever

[ashen yarrow]

yeah eye of ayak is too strong against sea creatures now... sad times

[restive storm]

eye of ayak is too strong in general lol

idk what they were thinkin with that thing

[meager flame]

And jagex wakes up in a cold sweat because someone did something unexpected and then litigates what is emergent and what is a problem

[frail nebula]

It's also expensive to use against sea creatures that drop nothing and have a billion hp

[ashen yarrow]

dont need cannons great white sharks die in under 30sec to just ayak

[tacit pendant]

Uh oh doom stonks go up

[fringe rivet]

tick prayer instead of just flicking, phat salvaging exp, phat crystal extractor exp

green construction pixel

the POH afk agility course

[austere mulch]

The funniest part of it all is that so much of Jagex’s advertisements is how OSRS isn’t a seasonal MMO (taking a shot at WOW) but if we move forward with the trend of having 6-8/12 months/year being temporary game modes… then what’s the difference really

[vast topaz]

"Fixed an issue where 'Sinister Offering' was missing from the Arceuus Spellbook when spell filtering was disabled."

The old spellbook used to have 5 spells per row, the new spellbook has 6 spells per row. If you'd like, I can share the before and after pictures in a channel of your choosing.

[ashen yarrow]

player on boat cannon is op too... hit 41 with mith cannonball

[meager flame]

I talked about this probably like a year ago

[restive storm]

meanwhile im literally asking blizzard to move slower on TBC anniversary cuz i think its going too fast lol

[meager flame]

Basically I didn’t like the trend I saw from them moving to big updates a few times a year instead of almost weekly small ones

And it has come to pass

[tacit pendant]

"your progress matters, until this league is up" doesnt look like good marketing

[vast topaz]

I didn't consent to having my muscle memory messed with and re-adjusted every week twice a week

[meager flame]

They’re abandoning the RuneScape update pattern that lasted decades in favor of a more modern approach

Where they drop large but almost seasonal updates instead

[fringe rivet]

eh, all you get from leagues is a trophy

[ashen yarrow]

Player on rune cannon using rune* cannonballs at 99 range maxes 50 dmg

[meager flame]

That’s part of why I said the cow update was great

That scale of update used to come in often all year

[fringe rivet]

I do miss the weekly or at least monthly quests

even if they were small and one offs

it's the little things you know

even the new sailing ball extractor has some minor funnis involved

It's called D.O.G., and it fetches your balls

[restive storm]

i think this, in addition with the total lack of communication on jagex end which is like so un-like the old team is what is most offputting to me

[ember token]

Well, if we increase the flux via some bigonometry we should be able to create a dipolar ordnance grabber, or D.O.G., to fetch your balls.

[restive storm]

like nowadays it feels like you gotta beg to hear a word out of the team

[meager flame]

I mean that’s also a sad thing that happened

[fringe rivet]

I am happy now, knowing my balls are in good hands.

[meager flame]

Osrs communication is washed but that’s just kinda how it is when you build a team to like

Basically be a barrier between you and the players

[restive storm]

yeah, i think its the contrast between how it used to be, and the way that is now that makes it feel so bad

[meager flame]

Not that the cms don’t try but it’s obviously more informative and collaborative with the community when they aren’t there and the devs are just talking to people

[ashen yarrow]

new krakens indeed have flat armor, which results in low hitsplats turning into 0s

[restive storm]

yeah, its also clear theyve shifted more to, "here's a blog, we'll address any feedback with a blog, and follow that up with blog edits" and theres like little to no actual real discussion going on w/ the community anymore

its just, read data and write blog

[meager flame]

Yeah like

[sage flax]

"hey guys we made these new krakens that are weak to heavy ranged but heavy ranged and cannons are 0 dps on them while magic is unaffected by flat armour and like triple the dps" good luck!

[meager flame]

We used to get a weekly sit down where devs just talked about the game

[sage flax]

hope you guys are cutting ur infected roots for tears

[meager flame]

Now the only streams are kind of advertisement focused on a specific update

It’s just totally different now

[tacit pendant]

Invest ballistas heard

[restive storm]

and by different we mean worse

[ashen yarrow]

player on cannon with rune cannonballs is decent dps but still loses to trident/eye with confliction gauntlets because of the flat armor

[meager flame]

Yeah I’d say there’s no doubt the community interaction and communication is flat out worse

It’s not particularly close

Maybe there’s reasons they decided to do what they did but it does suck

[sage flax]

100% an oversight, otherwise why would they specifically mention in the blog that they are weak to heavy ranged. get ur magic kills rn before they hotfix it!

[austere mulch]

Unfortunately part of that is because of the toxicity toward them increasing proportionately (or more) with the growth in the game’s popularity.

One could argue that that’s part of the job though

[restive storm]

im sure thats what the data said to do, i know many people have spoken how jagex has like world class data analytics. But at a certain point only doing that you just start to lose the soul of the game

its doesnt feel there anymore with the team nowadays

[austere mulch]

I do miss the regular streams with the team though

[meager flame]

I actually think not talking increases toxicity

I think it’s a lot harder to like relate to what they think or what is possible to work on as soon as they’re not there and all you see is an update you don’t like

[austere mulch]

Double edged sword type of thing. I feel like overall reception would be in a better place with more regular coms like that. So it’s a miss to not do it

But I’m sure it’s a hit on the mental getting bombarded with negativity at the times they do

[ember token]

the other day I was watching an old weekly QnA stream from 2013 that was just ash, reach, and mat k, they showed off the new GWD weapons as well as [[Merodach]], it was very chill

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Merodach

[meager flame]

They also completely gave up control of the narrative around the game by disappearing

[restive storm]

also idk why it does, but the fact that we get like 3x as many art competitions than updates drives me absolutely mental lol

i wish i could just never see those

[meager flame]

I get it on some level though they have a lot of devs now and not all of them even want people to know they exist lol

[restive storm]

oh for sure i get it, i dont really blame them either, like i said its just the new/old comparison that probably makes it seem worse than it really is

also i know that the devs/cms are responsible for the lack of direction the game has rn so i try not to bee too harsh on them lol

[meager flame]

It’s really just that much worse I think but idk if you can really ask people to do what ash etc did

[restive storm]

naw theres no chance

but it definitely was part of what used to make the game so great and unique

[ashen yarrow]

i just hope these new krakens actually drop the dragon cannonbarrel and they did not mean you get it from the uncommon opulent salvage drop

[meager flame]

Some of them have it in them I think though like the other day when rice jumped in here and on reddit to get control of the conversation around dragon ammo in the new vampire area

He did a great job of telling people what they were actually trying to figure out and were trying to do

And it turned that whole conversation immediately constructive towards what they were trying to accomplish rather than people debating a bunch of irrelevant stuff

[restive storm]

yeah, which i think is really important. I think the actual roadblock is that jagex as a company doesnt view that interaction as important enough to actually encourage (morelike tell) them to do it more often

i think the devs are certainly capable of doing it

[fierce belfry]

we still get those streams every now and then

but everytime i end up watching the vod to find out they dont answer any relevant questions about anything

its just meme funny questions

guess they are worried about false promises

[restive storm]

i was crashin out when there was like a ten minute Duck/race car bed discussion during one of the sailing ones lol

like why am i even bothering to watch this

[minor whale]

It's so funny to me that the fix for sailing combat was just reverting it to day 1 meta of Shadow/Ayak everything

4 months of work everybody

[north prairie]

Looting when the enemy isn't touching your boat still isn't instant

[fierce belfry]

more like

reskinned kraken and changed some numbers/modifiers into the code

[minor whale]

Nothing will ever beat day 2 of sailing realizing that shadowing birds from the tiny island was bis sailing XP until Gwenith

[ashen yarrow]

only the new kraken seems to have flat armor, going to check vampyre kraken soon

[fierce belfry]

it seems rlly low effort from a player pov

[meager flame]

People just have to accept a core element of sailing is pain

Then it all makes sense

[restive storm]

it sorta reminds me of when i actually had a good chat with mod light back during alpha of sailing about how much i HATED sailing movement and it made salvaging really annoying/frustrating to do, and asked for an alternative. Then like five days after release everyone said the same thing and a day later everywhere had double spots and we didnt have to move the boat anymore lol

[fierce belfry]

reminder in 2017-18 the dev team was like 20 times smaller and we had way more updates

higher quality ones too

[restive storm]

its just a matter of getting the feedback to actually take hold that feels like its the issue, if millions of people arent SCREAMING about it nothing will get done

[meager flame]

Yeah the run from cox to tob is just like

Proof that time machines need to exist we gotta restart

[fierce belfry]

cox -> inferno-> tob run was generational

[north prairie]

Additionally, we've improved how you can get loot from sea creatures. The delay for the animation has been removed, so you'll receive loot much faster in general.

It's still the exact same if the creature is not touching your boat.....seems like they didn't implement this properly

[ashen yarrow]

pulling the npc to boat is slightly faster, i think they added telegrab option for long distance

[north prairie]

Doesn't seem faster, and I know

[ashen yarrow]

the main difference being you are no longer stuck in the animation when you start pulling npc to boat

[north prairie]

Somewhat helps, if you cancel the animation it doesn't continue to loot. Still gotta do it after

[meager flame]

The sea looting stuff is one of those times where I think less would’ve been more

[north prairie]

Haven't seen a super dire situation in which I need to not loot that exact moment and come back

[meager flame]

Like lol

Maybe your loot should’ve just appeared at your feet

It doesn’t make as much sense but I bet it plays a million times better

[north prairie]

It's def better but seems a little unnecessary to do all that for looting

[meager flame]

I think a happy middle ground could’ve just been clicking the body gives you loot

The animations look nice but they probably shouldn’t waste peoples time on reeling the loot in

[tacit pendant]

The only looting buff ive ever wanted was a yama-esque spell upgrade for a "tele-alch" that upgrades telegrab to alch at same time. But maybe thats too ezscape

[north prairie]

For sure, but either way these new changes are super good

[minor whale]

This might be the funniest thing they included in the blog

Because it makes them look so incompetent

[meager flame]

I think everyone knew that like the first week or two didn’t they

The blog just kind of did them dirty lol

[minor whale]

Only took Jagex 4 months to investigate and fix it

Briefly!

[north prairie]

They be doing that

[raw basin]

so you can only have two cannons on your ship still?

[ashen yarrow]

yes, they just make it easier to hit with 2 at once

[ember token]

yeah you can have 2 on one side now

[raw basin]

but only two cannons...

on one ship..

[vernal valve]

Ye it was known for months that the invis boost did nothing. I kind of assumed it'd never get fixed tbh

[ashen yarrow]

loot on new krakens isnt that bad

[raw basin]

id share my screen shot of this but it wont let me?

[vernal valve]

the hidden power of one (1) bluefin

[tacit wharf]

not high enough rank, it keeps those pesky crypto spammers away

[ashen yarrow]

sailed around the sea testing different mobs and the new krakens are indeed only ones with flat armor

[vernal valve]

i'm honestly curious if they knew that magic ignores armor

bc that's been a thing since armor was added to the game afaik

[raw basin]

so whats the point of two cannons on one side if you can only have two cannons on one ship?

[tacit wharf]

u can now use 2 cannons to hit 1 enemy

[ashen yarrow]

both can shoot at once without needing wiggle the boat

[raw basin]

but only two cannons on one ship? like if i have 4 slots i should be allowed to use 4 slots

[teal hinge]

I have 2 hands, why can't I equip 2 swords

[tacit wharf]

no reasonable person thought they were going to remove the max of 2 on a cannons for this

[vernal valve]

the point is to make doubleshotting 1 guy less annoying without actually buffing the # of cannons

[raw basin]

you can? its called Dual macuahuitl and many other items that do the same idea...

[tacit wharf]

defenders could be condidered a 2nd very short sword

[vernal valve]

doesn't count, i can't double whip my enemies, smh

[raw basin]

it makes sailing combat even more clunky then before

[minor whale]

It really doesn't

Wiggling was clunky af

[tacit wharf]

it doesnt

now i just got 2 cannosn hit enemy + myself instead of 1 cannon + myself

[ashen yarrow]

it does make it less afk compared to multiple targets all over the boat but actual combat better now

[tacit wharf]

then move cannon to other side

[teal hinge]

Definitely feels better than before, minus the new veiled kraken

This feels pretty rough

[tacit wharf]

remember those facility moving bottles

[raw basin]

so the other two slots are for windows got it

[ashen yarrow]

flat armor on new krakens and player damage change on sea creatures are only things that i dont like about this update

[ashen yarrow]

more keg slots and 1 slot taken by the cannon ava's

[austere mulch]

Stuff like this coming the week after the membership drama dropping is crazy work 💀💀

[minor whale]

Our 105 JMods hard at work

[austere mulch]

And up next, temporary game mode that is a likely 4th reskin of the same temporary game mode we’ve already gotten

Just with a different stating area, the same echo bosses, and different cosmetic rewards

[ashen yarrow]

it really only impacts veiled krakens and those they tried to make high magic defense on purpose

ayak + confliction gauntlet combo just too op

[thick beacon]

did anyone else notice it? feel like them looking at things and fixing it is a commedable thing.

[vernal valve]

ye we knew

it was known since they released the salvaging rates/formula that invis boosts didn't impact it

and i don't think there's a single other thing that invis sailing boosts could even potentially impact?

[thick beacon]

i just dont see why its such a bad thing they fixed the mistake. if ppl cared that much they should have complain about it more imo

[minor whale]

It's a bad thing it was known about for 3 months and it took them until now to fix it

[ashen yarrow]

if they could fix every known bug with couple days of work there would be thousands less bugs in the game, it just doesnt work that way most of the time

[thick beacon]

i didint see anyone care though is my point. like if they didint include that change noone would have said anything

[austere mulch]

In that same time also came wildy bosses, fossil island, and dragons slayer 2 literally 4 months after tob

As well as the farming rework from Ash iirc

[silk thicket]

Are bounty tasks viable as semi afk training now?

[austere mulch]

If you include the year prior, zulrah and slayer bosses as well

[vale hornet]

I was kinda surprised learning it was broken whole time. Fucking crazy work 💀

[ashen yarrow]

still need to loot mobs yourself, but dont need to select targets after old dies

[fierce belfry]

pretty sure wildy bosses was way b4 that

i remember killing those in 2015

[austere mulch]

Yeah that may be bunched in with the year prior comment

Which includes Zulrah

[vale hornet]

Tbh at least whirlpool was useful pre done sea charting for the +3 sailing boost even if not getting the passive 2

[fierce belfry]

zul was 2014 right?

but yea i see what u mean

[ember token]

zulrah was very beginning of 2015

[fierce belfry]

ahh

[austere mulch]

Zulrah was Jan 2015

[fierce belfry]

mb

i still have my email saved from the zulrah name proposal competition haha

[austere mulch]

The 2015-2019 run was crazy

[ember token]

first update of 2015 - zulrah
first update of 2016 - zeah
2017 - cox
2018 - ds2
2019 - kebos lowlands
2020 - nothing
2021 - soul wars
2022 - nex
2023 - secrets of the north
2024 - nothing
2025 - nothing
2026 - nothing

[vernal valve]

tbf, of course nobody cared. it was 'known' by people who were tapped in, but it wasn't known by the broader community. the type of people informed enough to be aware the whirlpool boost did nothing just don't care that much about an invis +2 boost to a skill they probably already maxed

even the wiki guides still recommended having the keg still even though it doing nothing was known

[normal temple]

+2 isn’t really a noticeable boost anyways

[thick beacon]

just dont get negativity on it if anything feel like that would discourage someone from trying to fix things

they could have never fixed it and gotten less backlash

if its a big problem like sailing cmb stuff ppl will speak up

[austere mulch]

It’s more memes than anything, charged up from last week’s drama

At least that’s how I see it

[vernal valve]

i mean i don't think it's a big deal either way tbh, i am surprised they took this long to fix it, i assumed it just wasn't gonna get touched at all

[thick beacon]

like they didint fix it for 3months but who was speaking up about it? seems like half ppl didint even know problem existed

[vernal valve]

i'm just saying like 'nobody said anything, so it's not a big deal' is a bit silly when the average person just assumed it worked as advertised

[ashen yarrow]

2024 was varlamore no?

[austere mulch]

Personally, I think it’s hilarious the way things rolled out lmao. Definitely don’t envy the dev team right now

Overlords couldn’t have picked a worse time to push out the increase

[ember token]

wasn't the first update of the year though

in 2 more days itll have been 2 years since part 1

[viral drum]

So does the new update allow 4 cannons on sloops now, with those 2 extra cannon slots, or is it still a max of 2?

[vernal valve]

max 2

[viral drum]

A'ight tnx

[fierce belfry]

i remember when the first update of the year was cheered on as like

some game changing insane update everyone looked forward to lol

[fierce belfry]

march

but ye

[sharp cave]

Average of 1.5 extra cannon balls when salvaging per loot

Wow

Why did they even bother

[tacit wharf]

1.5 x 20k, lotta increase of cannon balls

[remote ruin]

"NPCs health adjusted accordingly" did they quadruple the health of ocean NPCs? I haven't had the chance to login to check

[ember token]

40-50% health increases across the board, plus a bunch of defense increases

not huge defense increases but not nothing, considered a lot of the npcs had 0 defense

[covert gorge]

Hmmm combat was too slow. Let’s speed it up but then slow it down so nothing changes

[austere mulch]

Basically unchanged TTC for logs from sailing npcs, yeah

But now the 20 hours “feels” like 20 hours instead of feeling like 40 because how much of a drag it was

Very low bar to reach for, but they got it

[ashen yarrow]

balanced to take about same time to kill without player damage, player damage melts them now though

[wintry fox]

You are spending about the same in ayak/shadow charges though, rather than in cannonballs like before

The only difference is that lower level players are now locked out of sailing combat pretty much

[ashen yarrow]

you can still man a cannon yourself for pretty high dps

[wintry fox]

Tell that to the veiled krakens with 15 flat armour lmao

[restive storm]

hilarious lmao

[wintry fox]

Which powered staves just bypass

[ember token]

which magic as a whole bypasses

because magic has always ignored flat armor

[ashen yarrow]

player on rune cannon with rune cannonballs is about same as trident with confliction gauntlets for dps

people ignore how much you splash with mage even with confliction gauntlets

[wintry fox]

Yes, 15

[remote ruin]

15?!

Whyyyyy

[tacit wharf]

sitting back in my crystal and bowfa, laughing at those wasting charges with ayak/shadow

[wintry fox]

Unless corrupted bowfa you are still spending charges tbf

[tacit wharf]

who the fk not corrupting bowfa

[wintry fox]

Mains who plan to resell

[tacit wharf]

[wintry fox]

Because the upfront crystal shard cost in enh tele seeds is more than you'd realistically ever use in charges

2000 crystal shards is a lot of shots

[tacit wharf]

ahh yes, imagine not doing the content to get shards but wasting money on ench tele's was the reason i keked

[wintry fox]

Yes, the shards you can use on potions instead and sell for profit, the cost of corrupting bowfa is around 30m, if you were to manually charge bowfa with that many shards its 200000 shots

[tacit wharf]

i dont think u were understanding that i was poking fun of you going straight to "main uses" when talking about a bowfa

[wintry fox]

Yeah because as an iron theres no reason not to corrupt

I figured you'd know that

[bronze kernel]

Not corrupting it means you're gonna be a light blue shitter forever

Unless you like the light blue

[austere mulch]

The adjustments include player damage changes per the blog

[ashen yarrow]

blog states that end game players will now notice significantly higher kills/h

[austere mulch]

“High level boat setups should remain the same [regarding KPH]” right at the bottom of the paragraph talking about the adjustments

Word for word

“We’ve balanced this around the hit points of Sea NPC monsters so that they will take a similar time to kill”

[round lintel]

to be honest this feels the same shi

[austere mulch]

Should be pretty hard to miss

[austere mulch]

That’s the best part- it is 🤣🤣🤣

[round lintel]

krakens still tanky with a +15 flat armour

hit pretty high so u burn thru repair kits

[ashen yarrow]

just veiled kraken, other mobs dont have flat armor

they also specifically added +325 magic defense on veiled kraken to make mage less accurate

[round lintel]

still nothing changed cb sucks is just burning through repair kits or safespots

[ashen yarrow]

people expecting protection prayers to work so they dont need to upgrade boat defences

[austere mulch]

They should’ve just adjusted drop rates, or done smaller increases to npc stats so that they are actually killed faster

Because it’s still the same slog but with bigger numbers now

[ashen yarrow]

most mobs are way faster to kill now if player has end game gear

[round lintel]

yup same if not just more time to kill the npc that deals alot of damage with absurd drop rates

[austere mulch]

If that’s the case, it’s in conflict to the blog’s stated objective

[stark dome]

Feel like my dragon tier boat isnt taking much damage

[austere mulch]

They straight up said in the blog that time to kill remains about equal

Because instead of adjusting the drop rates to make up for the faster kills, they adjusted npc stats so you kill them at relatively the same speed

[ashen yarrow]

yes +10 flat armor and high defense stat on top

[round lintel]

To be honest they kept stuff like they were yesterday, took them 4 months to bring this update to really not change anything

[carmine junco]

What do you mean by this?

[austere mulch]

To give them some credit, at least they said not to expect much because they are mostly just adjusting the foundation so that it is hopefully easier to build upon moving forward

Expectations just weren’t set properly on the front end

[tacit wharf]

would be pretty bad to think that they wouldnt first sort out the combat part and then worry about adjusting monsters stats lower after

[ashen yarrow]

player damage before changes was average 30% compared to normal. Sea creatures got around 40% hp increase while player damage tripled

[round lintel]

If they kept stuff like they were just yesterday compared to today's update is still the same just with a different view. Nothing really change... combat sucks Eventhough your cannon got a "Buff" mobs are still tanky and your crewmates sucks using the cannon and is slower so no change really, you on the other hand get your full damage but npc have 80% more health so no really a change, drop rates still absurd, and all you do is using 2 repair kits per kill or go safespot

[austere mulch]

Def stats also increased and in some cases, flat armor. Again, the intention they laid out in their own words is that at the top end, TTK remains the same. On the low end, it’s a slight improvement

Mileage varies based on both your own gear and your ship’s equipment

[carmine junco]

I mean, except for the fact that you use cannonballs slower and so can use higher tier cannanballs with lower cost.

And I'm not sure why using repair kits is an issue, it would be like saying you should be able to do any pvm content without expending food or prayer ever.

[round lintel]

Yes and no, you do any pvm "High tier pvm" imagine if you had to use half inventory of food by killing vard perfectly? wouldnt that suck?

[carmine junco]

Is two repair kits half an inventory?

[round lintel]

= 90 health boat

[carmine junco]

And?

[round lintel]

how many sharks + karam is that?

[carmine junco]

Why are you comparing the two?

These are different systems

[ashen yarrow]

people are against upgrading their boat, yes. people out there using mithril boats killing vampyre krakens

[round lintel]

I have a main with a max boat and I play my iron

sadly i am nowhere near 1200 nails to upgrade all my boats in my iron

so i have ironwood+rune

and still using 3-4 ironwood repair kits to kill one Veiled kraken

at vampyre krakens is about the same

with the same amount of time to kill

and absurd drop rates

[ashen yarrow]

i had no issues with 1v1 against vampyre kraken or veiled krakens with full rune boat and rune cannonballs. sure taking around 50-60 damage per kill but that is nothing crazy

[round lintel]

could be different systems but the fact that combat sucked yesterday and took them 4 months to make it suck today...

I understand if you settled for low and do not expect much of them

[carmine junco]

I mean, your idea of combat sucking just seems to be the amount of resources used

Which wasn't really the focus of anything they did beyond reducing the usage of cannonballs

Which they accomplished

[round lintel]

4 months for that?

[carmine junco]

Some of that time was polling and gathering feedback, but sure.

Beyond that, I don't know how their dev priorities work.

[ashen yarrow]

this isnt all sailing changes, but yes changes take longer to plan and develop then most realise

they cannot just implement the 1st thought they come up with and be done with it in couple weeks

[tacit wharf]

not only that but holiday and vacation for the jmods as well

[ashen yarrow]

these cannonball changes feel so weird... im profiting rune cannonballs while shooting cannon myself using rune cannonballs on veiled kraken

[silk thicket]

Seems kinda decent but idk what xp/h bounty tasks are

Surely better than afk salvage right?

[ashen yarrow]

with optimal setup can get over 100k xp/h with bounty tasks, assuming you dont run out of tasks and need to do multiple different tasks (or wait until daily reset) to refresh board

[zenith vigil]

I greenlogged sailing combat b4 the update and spent a bunch of time testing stuff today.

1. in general, its way better and feels like a great basis to build off of.

2. I tested in max mage and in mid gear with a dragon cbow (i think a slight nerf in mobs heavy ranged defense would be nice, but not necessary).

3. the cball usage seems good to me.

4. there are a coule tweaks I would like (speed up reeling in the looting net, add the ability to reorder the facility list since moving the cannons messes with the order, and maybe reduce the flat armour of the new krakens a bit).

5. Auto target was good

6. I think the dragon cannons could be a bit more of an impactful/powerful upgrade given its rarity (i'm not invested in dragon barrels I swear)

[ashen yarrow]

the 2 options you have for veiled krakens are using magic with end game gear or shooting cannon yourself with high tier cannonballs

if you dont at least have confliction gauntlets you will easily splash over half your hits with mage

hmm i wonder what the elite clue drop rate on veiled krakens ends up being. gotten 2 in 100 kc already

[austere mulch]

Yeah I think the big issue is poor expectations set. They clarified in this blog that the goal was mostly to refresh the foundation to have something that feels better to build off of. But going into the conversation with the initial feedback survey and blogs, I’d argue most players were expecting more substantial adjustments with this round

[sharp cave]

yes! i could have had 24 cannonballs in this amount of salvage vs 16!!! wow!!

[austere mulch]

The cannonball usage issue, they did great with

[jagged marsh]

What was the point of increasing cannon dps AND mob hp

They completely cancel each other out

[dense obsidian]

Hi, the issue is the adjustments to the number of spells per row for all spellbooks (besides ancients) to accommodate the minigame teleport. Several spells, especially those at higher levels, are significantly offset from where they used to be. Simply moving the minigame teleport to the bottom or hiding a low-level spell still does not help correct for these adjustments

[ember token]

yeah you gotta deal with it

[tacit wharf]

to expect the spells to never move when they have to add new ones, is just weirdge

[obsidian venture]

They didn’t want a strict buff

Mentioned that it’s slightly better for mid lvl stuff, similar at top end

[jagged marsh]

God forbid sailing combat be strong lol

Slower hits and min hit caps god

Just do it

I just wanna consistently smack 20s and 30s

[warm gust]

Reading the blog post on mobile. It seems something went wrong with the letter sizes. Don't know if it's the same on computer

[dense obsidian]

it hasn't really been a problem until they changed the number of spells per row

[tacit wharf]

spells moving is just something you have to get use to when they add new ones, be it monster examine or the new mini-game tele or when they standardize the spells per row

[hasty shard]

til flat armor doesnt work on magic damage

literally why

[lime fog]

im sorry but its literally not defensible to call this veiled kraken nonsense intentional game design...

they make a new monster, and in literally every way telegraph that slow heavy ranged should be good.

reality: literally any charged stave is better, even the fast hitting ayak is 50% higher dps than dragon bolts in BiS gear

Also "we buffed cannons & crew mate targetting"

reality: mithril cannonballs cannot even inflict damage to veiled krakens if crewed by crew, rune cballs hit up to a whopping 10...

to clarify, i dont mind since i have max mage, but cmon this has to be a joke

[tacit pendant]

We should do normal damage. And boat cannons should feel as impactful as a dwarf cannon, that we dont even need a boat to carry

[minor whale]

We have released a new monster with a heavy ranged weakness that heavy ranged is worse than casting fire wave at, enjoy

[hasty shard]

🦀 $15 🦀

[lime fog]

and then you see the mod light post about "megarares are simply better" completely missing the point

its fine that megas are bis, but this is just counterintuitive nonsense

[ashen yarrow]

people over playing how effective mage is on it. Shooting rune cannon with rune cannonballs yourself beats most mage setups, not including shadow and ayak + confliction

[hasty shard]

yeah like if it was 'megarares are better' it'd be fucking tbow bis 😭

i mean thats generally how combat already was wasnt it

[ashen yarrow]

they should have done all player weapons/spells deal 50% reduced damage to sea creatures, that would make sailing the main dps source for sailing

[lime fog]

the point is that no-one wants this, the vast majority of players just want good crew member dps that is near the same as player used cannons

[tacit pendant]

The actual kraken boss has a lower ttk than veiled krakens while being 80 combat levels higher

[lime fog]

we basically had this before the update

[tacit pendant]

They just seem so dead set on high ttk for these sea mobs its no fun

[ashen yarrow]

cannoball update + making player dps flat 50% instead of rng with average of 25-30% would have been fine

[lime fog]

the point is that the majority of people did NOT like dealing reduced player daamge

[tacit pendant]

Full damage for players. Better damage for cannons. With fire at will would be fun to pull up on sea creatures and just start blastin. But what do i know

[ashen yarrow]

hoping for 4% chance of dealing 50% damage or 1% chance to deal 100% was so weird

[lime fog]

the biggest issue imo is still that positive armor is a horrible balance angle.

it basically makes it so that anything under absolute BiS becomes complete dogshit

[ashen yarrow]

yeah i also dont like the flat armor on veiled kraken since it makes crewmates completely useless

[tacit wharf]

if only monster weaknesses where a thing and could be set to a number that makes using the wrong styles horrible to start with

[ashen yarrow]

and in general no one likes hitting more 0s

[austere mulch]

The whole “we’re going to add stronger cannons” later piece is weird too because dragon cannon requires a whopping 92 sailing

[lime fog]

its not a good way to balance anything
if you want to achieve the same effect this can also be done by giving specific weapon classes & speeds the same effect tormented demon punish has where max hits are increased based on weapon speed.
that actually has the added benefit on making a bigger impact on undergeared players rather than punishing them

[austere mulch]

It should be good

[lime fog]

not to mention that it does fuck-all unless youre using rune or above and shooting yourself

[austere mulch]

“We gave this highest tier cannon, which has one of the highest level requirements in game, a really rare drop source. You can’t expect it to be good”

[lime fog]

ive been using mith cballs for the memes for hte last 15 minutes and i dont think ive seen a single hit above a 1 or 2

[tacit pendant]

Yeah theres very little room for higher reqs on cannons. I never understood the 92 sailing req on dragon parts

[ashen yarrow]

lvl4 privateering crewmates with rune cannon and mith cannonballs can max like 6 on veiled kraken

[lime fog]

its fine when you view it as an endgame unlock, but then you realize theyre literally saying "just wait for a megarare version of this, then you can start unlocking the lower tier version by killing these"

[lime fog]

im pretty sure its even less than that

[sand lichen]

even if it can hit that, it hits 99% 0s in that setup anyways

might aswell just not use cannons in that specific scenario atm

[lime fog]

even with rune cballs its a joke

think the highest i saw was an 11 or something

and an awful amount of 0s

[ashen yarrow]

im shooting cannon myself with rune cannonballs and crewmate is attempting to help with mith cannonballs

[tacit pendant]

Leave drop rates alone and let us mow down mobs man. Irons shouldnt be going dry for their first bottled storm for as long as they do

[lime fog]

thats genuinely a "dont bother with it" item

[tacit pendant]

It shouldnt be. Its real nice for sailing

[lime fog]

there isnt a single island in the game thats so neccesary that i need that teleport focus

[tacit pendant]

So what they just cant make a good island now?

[lime fog]

yeah fair, the fact that the best argument for not getting it is that sailing isnt good is pretty sad

[ashen yarrow]

no island requires greater teleport focus but it is nice to have for faster banking and skipping sailing to places

[lime fog]

its a nice qol for getting around to some places, but its rather niche when you consider that almost no islands are worth using

[tacit pendant]

I dont think its insane to ask for both unnerfed player AND cannon dmg

[lime fog]

unironically, if you can find usecases please convince me

[lime fog]

literally all they had to do was not give these any positive armor

[tacit pendant]

Rn i think its clues and astral rc

[lime fog]

and it would have been fine

[tacit pendant]

This is hella opinion based but right now boat combat feels like whip slayer when it probably should feel like cannon + ancients/venbow

[lime fog]

bruh its a dscim vs a crush weak monster

[tacit pendant]

Yeah

[lime fog]

specifically talking about veiled krakens, i imagine its much more of an upgrade elsewhere

[ashen yarrow]

general sailing combat got +200% player

[tacit pendant]

Trying my best not to be extreme, but im talking all mobs not just veiled

Boat cannons could feel as impactful as the land cannon rather than thralls

They done good with how many balls per hour you shoot i will say

[ashen yarrow]

veiled kraken is only one with flat armor, cannons do a lot of damage to other sea creatures

[lime fog]

yeah, it does need a bit of balance work for irons tho, its like 2m an hour in missed alch value to use rune cballs, and lower tiers also require quite a lot of time spent/hour of usage

[tacit pendant]

Ill go run some bounty tasks tn. Hopefully getting overheads involved in some capacity is like on their radar for the future

[ashen yarrow]

people really want sailing to be normal combat with extra steps

[lime fog]

yeah because sitting behind the cannon feels shit because you also need to loot

[ashen yarrow]

a lot also suggesting to make enemies target player instead of ship

[limber creek]

boats cant pray

[tacit wharf]

nor does it make sense for a monster to attack the player instead of the boat

[lime fog]

thats even worse, now you need to manage 2 hp bars, 2 healing currencies, get behind cannon > get off cannon > retrieve item > get behind cannon

[tacit pendant]

Yeah normal combat is uh like the most beloved part of the game?

[ashen yarrow]

remove cannons, remove boat upgrades, just make it fighting on boat like normal combat but with limited movement

[lime fog]

the cannons are fine, just dont make us crew them

its not a fun gameplay loop to deal with that jank

[ashen yarrow]

ah so normal combat with free extra dps and nothing else

[tacit pendant]

Did you miss the entirely different movement system and crew or?

[ashen yarrow]

why would you move if boat has no hp and you can pray against everything

[tacit pendant]

Like whats your actual angle here. "Normal" pvm is engaged with much much more than people go clog sailing mobs

Why do you move in normal bosses?

Like be fr?

[ashen yarrow]

people just want to use their max gear and ignore all sailing stuff

[tacit pendant]

Currently you can position 2 cannons on one side of boat. So you want max "free" dps, position accordingly. Theres room for non-prayable and prayable attacks