game-update

[quartz anchor]

Bigger and greater

[lusty tulip]

did you know you can fit 73 surfaces of the moon into texas

[tight eagle]

How many bananas does that make?

[lusty tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-buddy-the-elf-throne-of-lies-christmas-gif-3580667

[brazen tundra]

5 more mins

i told yall

its up fools

[lusty tulip]

nice

[desert flax]

We're back baby

[untold edge]

very bigly

[dense summit]

What was the update

[minor whale]

Just server maintenance

[mystic stone]

you guys broke varrock

i'd send photos but i cant

[gaunt minnow]

Camera broken?

[mystic stone]

nah cant send screenshots in here lol

[ember token]

no images perms if you havent talked enough in the discord

[mystic stone]

yeah lol, im here but im not active

just funny to see how varrock had a landslide

[restive storm]

No updates only more art competitions 🙄

[still sundial]

updates are on wednesdays

[vivid ruin]

Are we saying this morning was xp waste.

[restive storm]

Can’t say I’m holding my breath for that either 😭

[gaunt minnow]

What are we getting? Reworked boat combat right ?

🥱

Multi revs when ….

[limber creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1465348114033541183/1479211127459283056/multi_revs.gif

[restive storm]

Reworked boat combat in time for nobody to do it cuz we all 99 salvaging

[gaunt minnow]

lol idd

I got my max cape back and have only been on a boat since to get to my master clue spot

[restive storm]

I got max cape and 99 on the pure and ain’t been on one since

[hard axle]

Revs should not be low level wildy, can be mix of multi and singles, tasks should be points unlock, and should have extension 🥀

[stark dome]

Sailing combat rework tomorrow? 👀

Yb wants a bottled storm

Tele to boat gonna be big

[drifting valley]

Boat combat could relate to something other than exp though

Id like bosses to kill

[drifting valley]

Only if they bring back the old revs

When the gp was actually worth fighting people over

[limber creek]

agreed we need higher incentives in todays day and age to make the wilderness worth whatsoever to even enter. It seems we forgot the philosophy over the years.

[drifting valley]

We need some content in wildy where we become like hungry seagulls on a beach...just tryna go ham and have annoying chaos tryna get those warm crispy fries from others

I want the reward in order to risk

[restive storm]

That makes one of us

[drifting valley]

I want good friends to betray each other to secure the huge bags

[limber creek]

Its so funny

[drifting valley]

I want to pk even though i suck at it but will try to cuz gp so good

And some groups of ppl are around who are carrying bags for bread

(If u get what i mean)

[restive storm]

Too bad you will fight the sweats who pk 19 hours a day as a job and you will like it

[jagged marsh]

Barely. It's an ammo saver and a new kraken that drops the cannon barrel.

[restive storm]

They need stream content

[jagged marsh]

No changes to the formula

[deft barn]

Never, it was not received too well

[jagged marsh]

I just want island dungeoneering

[restive storm]

It was the most active the Wildy has ever been what are we saying lol

[gaunt minnow]

Says who? Most people loved multi revs

[jagged marsh]

No that's not why. It was clipped because they didn't want to deal with protection clans.

[gaunt minnow]

I don’t know a single person who prefers this version of revs

[jagged marsh]

Among other things

[deft barn]

The latest proposal from game jam a few weeks ago was extremely unpopular

[jagged marsh]

I've never done revs but I can't say single revs is appealing

[gaunt minnow]

That’s not multi revs

🤣

[jagged marsh]

Multi revs sounds more fun

[restive storm]

Multi revs was wayyy more fun

[gaunt minnow]

That’s some gimped version jagex half baked

[deft barn]

Sure

[gaunt minnow]

We want multi revs like it was back in the day

[jagged marsh]

Idk how they'd address old issues like protection clans locking down worlds

[drifting valley]

I wana pay for protection just to get into these discords and gain knowledge over time and abuse loop holes to further my seagull level

[jagged marsh]

As natural as it is, it's also not healthy

[deft barn]

But thats the closest to a multi revs update youre gonna get

And it was not well received

[drifting valley]

I want gp to be flowing out my ass enough to the point where i start spending gp on useless things i dont need

[limber creek]

There were a total of like the total worlds held down. Every other world was free to go do your thing. So only like 200 worlds free of any clan intervention. This was such an incredibly bad take from the one who got it removed and the wildy has been on life support ever since lol.

[drifting valley]

I wana be able to step in a wildy hotzone and get pked for my bag just to regear in 2 mins and head right back as if nothing happend cuz the gp is that worth it

[restive storm]

You don’t have to lol, there’s like 240 worlds protection clans are not a problem

[restive storm]

What?

[jagged marsh]

They already got terminator bots running in singles, Id be terrified to see what they'd do in multi

[restive storm]

Fake news! There’s hardly any of those out there rn

[jagged marsh]

Multi revs would be a good incentive to spin them up again

[limber creek]

people dont ahk in multi and singles terminator bots are like super rare anymore too. I take it you don't actually take part in pvp content and are just spouting youtuber bullshit?

[restive storm]

Multi would be pointless to do it since it’s a numbers game for 99% of people lol

[gaunt minnow]

A man can have a dream though? Until then I’ll be tobbing

But just know if you didn’t experience multi revs

[restive storm]

The only reason they happened was cuz it was singles +

[gaunt minnow]

Then I feel bad for ya

[limber creek]

remember being able to go into community pk 24 hours of any day ever and being able to go on a pk trip or go kill revs with the homies

absolutely insane best times in rs

[deft barn]

Oh of course, i just thought you were talking about the revs proposal from game jam, because i dont think thats gonna make it into the game

[limber creek]

the game jam proposal had heart. But the brains were lacking lol.

[gaunt minnow]

Neither. I would like to see an update on that from jagex though

[drifting valley]

I want wildy to have the cash cow it used to have with old rev caves but even better

[limber creek]

By todays standards it should be quite a bit better. There's unheard of gp/hr nowadays comparative to days of old.

[drifting valley]

8 to 10m an hr money maker in wildy

Anything less makes no sense to me imo

I need a real good reason to enter wildy

[limber creek]

right below vardorvis i see

and quite a few other methods

[drifting valley]

I hate the gp per hr on wiki cuz they calq it with axe drops

Some ppl dont wana kill all 4

[limber creek]

bout half the gp/hr of dooming.

[ember token]

it's easy to subtract the axe drops

[drifting valley]

Well dooming is balanced i guess since its hard

At those high waves

[ember token]

for Vard it's almost exactly 2mil, so subtract that and its 6mil if youre not killing the other bosses

[robust wyvern]

Beg in GE. Best gp/hr in game

Become rs gf

[drifting valley]

Yeah 6m an hr is sorta lame imo idk we got way easier ways to make better money

[limber creek]

we cant have hard wildy content though?

[drifting valley]

And more fun ways too

[limber creek]

shit give me wilderness tob

im going

[jagged marsh]

Yeah SRA drop is cheeks. I hate how they designed it.

[harsh herald]

any update on when 1.5t salvaging will be fixed?

[jagged marsh]

Why not make all the pieces tradeable

[drifting valley]

Ehhh... wildy imo is more known for free bags or maybe muspah level bags at the most...real issue is not getting pked and not the boss itself

[jagged marsh]

Tomorrow probably

[ashen yarrow]

wilderness bosses are 5-6m gp/h with 3-4 items and pkers interrupting you. A lot higher possible but means either risking some items or no pkers lowering kills/h

[limber creek]

thats what im sayin. give me a tough boss in wildy and pkers. itd be so much fun.

idk i really loved deadmanmode lol

[jagged marsh]

The issue is balancing around risk. Design the bosses to require raid gear, and they require too much risk (and too little makes it not worth doing)

No one's gonna do it if they need to bring a scythe

[limber creek]

why not

i keep scythe on death 🤔

theres skull prevention for the weenie hut junior style too

[jagged marsh]

What's even the point of letting people jump in and start pking you in the middle of a room

How would that improve the experience

[limber creek]

whos to say thats how it would work

[jagged marsh]

Then why would it even be in the wilderness

[limber creek]

plenty of content in wilderness isn't like that.

you just typing for levels

[jagged marsh]

Like Corp or ferox?

I'm so confused

How would a wilderness raid even work

[restive storm]

Wildy bosses have other major flaws, like the escape caves… those might be the worst idea I’ve ever even heard of for osrs, maybe only beaten by sailing

And the fact that escape caves have gone untouched since their release just tells me they gave up on the Wildy cuz literally nobody likes them

[drifting valley]

Wildy flaw is that you leave poorer than when you enterd it...

[ashen yarrow]

the only purpose for escape caves is to prevent logging out while exiting

[drifting valley]

We need to pump noobs with 2 mill bags running around confused

[restive storm]

Right, thus making it so unfun to pk at that hardly anyone even bothers to try

I drink a brew and a half leaving the closest exit so I get about four world hops and have to bank on pure if I take 0 damage from players. Does that sound like good design?

[tacit wharf]

you know you would take less dmg if u trained yr def

[restive storm]

I mean I’d just log on my main if I wanted to do that ruin my account even more

Maybe I’d kill Wildy bosses if they dropped a -xp lamp

[jagged marsh]

Minus xp lamps wouldn't hurt anyone idk why they won't add them

Just put a monthly cap on it like rs3

[limber creek]

they would completely devalue accounts that havent messed up

[ember token]

monthly!?!?! erm... this is LITERALLY dailyscape buddy

[restive storm]

Because people hate pures and jagex doesn’t really care to do anything for pvp in the first place

[ashen yarrow]

kinda depends, you could unlock content that is normally unavailable for certain account builds and then go back to specific levels

[limber creek]

like rendi's 3 combat that kills everything in game.

or whatever

[restive storm]

They can put locks on stuff like that, shouldn’t be an issue

[limber creek]

sounds like a lotta work because johnny hit a imp with his noose wand

[jagged marsh]

Also not much content that gets unlocked at 10 defense

Like a diary task idk

[restive storm]

It ain’t like they workin on anything else anyway

[ashen yarrow]

in a year we would have barrows gloves on 1 def pures

[limber creek]

was gonna say we already dont get anything, u want them wasting time on this lol

[restive storm]

It’s more than we got otherwise 😭

[limber creek]

but hey at least ull be able to shoot on boats or some shit woohoo

im 99 already i do not care. salvage gang

[ember token]

im fine with minus xp lamps if they can't de-level you, makes sense to let people get some wiggle room back but don't really want to have the possibility of levelling to get an unlock or complete a quest, and then using -xp lamps to go back down

[tacit wharf]

that logic, why not make it so hc's could get their status back after they die as well

[restive storm]

Should be able to go down levels, but not revert quest xp, and obv needs some kinda total cap

[restive storm]

Bc hardcore the entire game mode is about not dying, whereas if jagex just let us lock xp we’d never need this in the first place

[tacit wharf]

1 def pure, the whole point is not to gain def levels

[restive storm]

Naw the entire point is doing content without the benefit of def

It’s a very different thing lol

[tacit wharf]

w/o gaining def xp

but you messed up

u did

[jagged marsh]

In my game I have a character flag that just blocks defense xp. Simple.

[restive storm]

Right, but I messed up in a way that doesn’t really affect anything and wouldn’t matter if reverted

[restive storm]

Ye I got 3 def before that existed

[limber creek]

then why should we cater to it

[restive storm]

Now we get cheat clients that prevent it anyway

[restive storm]

Don’t see a reason not to

[tacit wharf]

dont see a reason not to reinstate a hc then

[jagged marsh]

Easier to not die on a HC than it is to avoid defense xp

Sometimes you just not Lucky and the game attack options get reset

[tacit wharf]

much easier to not gain def xp

dont use the def style

literally that simple

[limber creek]

just dont die is the same as just dont get def exp as far as i'm concerned

[tacit wharf]

sometimes you just get not lucky and the game dc's

[jagged marsh]

There's been like 3 instances where people's attack options got set to defensive for no reason (granted they got xp resets but lol)

[restive storm]

Don’t get me wrong idc if the do reinstate hcs either lol, it’s not a game mode I find at all interesting or prestigious

[jagged marsh]

Well they got escape crystals now to help mitigate this

[tacit wharf]

and def pures have rl settings to prevent def xp now

so whats yr point

[jagged marsh]

The ideal solution would just be an xp block. That's what I did for my game. If the player doesn't want xp in a stat, let them. Simple. Keeps them happy.

[ashen yarrow]

people used to go around giving noose wands to account trainers at sand crabs since it only has shared xp options

[tacit wharf]

hate xp locking

[restive storm]

This isn’t a jagex thing it’s a 3p addon lol

[tacit wharf]

to which 90% of the playerbase (actual playerbase) uses

[restive storm]

Idk I just feel like they may as well do it, no reason not to and they’re clearly not working on all that much content over there at yagex. Don’t get me wrong id rather they work on something else pvp related but we’re clearly not getting that either

[tacit wharf]

i just feel like they shouldnt

[ashen yarrow]

The rl plugin also is not 100% safe since there could be update that breaks it

[tacit wharf]

hard to please someone who finds everything lame and boring

[limber creek]

oh no my account got stronger whatever will i do. My lobster is too buttery and my steak is too juicy

[tacit wharf]

it not just about preventing, its just another step to help mitigate, one should still be checking and making sure

[restive storm]

Eh just make it an official mode and lock it. Either that or deiron irons who accidentally click on someone else’s item on the ground since it’s only fair

[tacit wharf]

oh god no

we dont need anymore game modes

[stark dome]

True GIM was a mistake

[restive storm]

Delete some of the dumb iron ones like group and make pure/zerk modes

Can prob delete hardcore too

[tacit wharf]

feel like this was a jab, which is odd coming from the UIM

[tacit pendant]

Gim fine. Green helm could be deleted tbh, red helms maybe, uim is pretty dumb in 2026

[limber creek]

theres so many gamemodes

[stark dome]

You said the game doesnt need more modes. Most recent addition was the like 20 variants of group iron man

Bloat

[tacit wharf]

u mean 3

far cry from 20

[tacit pendant]

Something like an official region lock > green helm. All day

[limber creek]

dont forget to tune into my hardcore region locked group ironwoman tonight we're bone crossbowing rats to 98 range.

[tacit pendant]

Hcgim also weird

[tacit wharf]

and i agree, green helm shouldnt of been a thing

[stark dome]

2 man group
2 man unranked group
2 man hard-core group

X 4

So more like 12

Unless we include prestige

[tacit wharf]

prestige isnt a thing, except for hc's

also they should of changed hc deaths for regular irons to the group hc rules when gim was released

[stark dome]

Wdym?

[tacit wharf]

do there are deaths for hcgim that are not deaths for hc's

[ember token]

to be fair i dont play a hcim so i dont think my opinion on it is super important but I think it's silly you can die in CoX as a hardcore and not lose status

[restive storm]

GIM shouldn’t be a thing at all, hardcore shouldn’t either, just keep iron/uim

If you play a group iron you’re literally just a main anyway

[stark dome]

I said from the jump GIM would make a sick league mechanic

But trying to make a team work for the full like 5 years runtime of an account is wild

[ashen yarrow]

Uim players are just playing with 100 slot death storage bank instead of actual bank

[tacit wharf]

UIM - no bank, proceeds to find 20 pseudo banks and 2-3 deathpiles

[limber creek]

not to be too controversial but ive always felt the pandering to locked accounts. Pures/ironmen/self imposed restrictions. is so stupid and against the spirit of the game. Like every boss dropping supplies, or logs and shit. its just went so far and we're doing nothing about any of it lol

[stark dome]

I think most irons would agree with you 2/3

But I dont think they put supplies on drop tables to help irons

[limber creek]

i dont hate irons or nothing like that. But im against the way we push the game forward with them in front of mains in priority it feels like on most updates.

[stark dome]

Also dont agree with that

Dragon cannon barrel is like 1/20k drop

[tacit wharf]

probably with mains is its always - what is most gp/hr, the proceed to just go do that

[limber creek]

so theyre adding a new way of getting it. hmm i wonder who wouldnt just buy it 🤔

[stark dome]

Who says theyre adding another way to get it?

[ember token]

theyre adding new krakens that can drop it

[stark dome]

Wat since when? I feel like I've read all the sailing blogs

[limber creek]

Johnny jagex told me new krakens are gonna drop it.

See told you. Ironman update.

[ember token]

i think its fine for UIM to work around their restrictions but I think deathpiles are too far in the sense that Jagex should not have to maintain them or worry about breaking them just because UIMs would suddenly lose tons of items

[limber creek]

i got an adamant cannon on my top tier ship

does the same as anything else. because theres no reason to shoot anything

[stark dome]

If you abuse the death piles, you deserve the wipe

I shed no tears for UIMs who hoard too much and lose it all

Im 8 years in with no wipes

[restive storm]

I don’t think I even have cannons on my boat cuz why would I? lol

[ember token]

it just shouldnt really be a supported feature in the first place imo

[restive storm]

Catering to Irons this way legit ruined Ironman for me as a whole

[limber creek]

everything is caterscape lol.

[restive storm]

Like every monster just drops infinite resources/gp now lol

[tacit wharf]

thats cuz of mains

though

[stark dome]

Mains love gp

[restive storm]

That slayer rework was an abomination

[tacit wharf]

gp/hr goes ⬆️

[stark dome]

Its a weird take that irons are to blame for high value drop tables

[tacit pendant]

Uim is actually goofy with death banks

Its a bad gameplay loop

[stark dome]

And I think they added supplies to pvm because mains dont want to skill

[restive storm]

Value not necessarily but resource wise 100%

[limber creek]

nonstop resource drops are the catering here. Oh heres 500 yew logs good job bolting that crab or whatever.

[tacit pendant]

Theyve been like reducing raw resource drops though?

[stark dome]

Cut into bot revenue by allowing slayer addicted mains to get supplies

[ember token]

would rather give UIMs a 28 item safe deposit box and then remove deathpiling

[limber creek]

dang like where have they reduced it at

[tacit pendant]

Or just let them actually be hella restricted and do the best they can

[tacit wharf]

isnt this basically already the looting bag?

[stark dome]

Only a tiny fraction of the UIM community death piles like that

[tacit pendant]

Chambers?? They gutted that shit

[stark dome]

And they deserve the wipe

When it inevitably happens

[tacit pendant]

The whole sweep up actually. Like now we have fucking shark lures and its ass

[restive storm]

I guess now it’s 35 cooked mantas instead of 100 raw sharks at zulrah but they waited wayyyy too long on that lol

Shark lures are dank

[tacit pendant]

Pretending they arent trending towards less resources already is weird. I agree though too little too late so we're all g

[stark dome]

Yeah like I said most would agree they shoudlnt cater to irons, but it feels like they haven't been for a while

So 🤷

[tacit pendant]

Well thats another can of worms. I think the current amount of catering isnt bad at all

[limber creek]

Seeds are no longer guaranteed drops, instead 33% chance of getting seeds instead of herbs, following the same intended ratio of seeds to herbs.

sure gutted ig

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tacit pendant]

Mains arent bitching about getting oathplate shards for example

[tacit wharf]

if anything irons show them pain points for new players as a whole

[restive storm]

Irons also draw their attention away from issues main players have to unimportant things like the scar essence mine or sandstone mining lol

[stark dome]

Lmao true

[ashen yarrow]

ToA seed amounts lowered by 30% because ge price was crashing

[stark dome]

Sandstorm was big handout to the helmies

Ty for that

[tacit pendant]

The game would certainly be better for mains if the dev focus was solely on mains only

[stark dome]

I do think the main focus is mains

They nerfed occult because it was too cheap for mains

Irons had to grind out to 90+ slayer for it

180k on GE

[restive storm]

Occult was also just not rare at all lol

For how strong it was

[limber creek]

rank 1 thermy this dmm. I sold so many occults LOL

[stark dome]

The 92 slayer is a bit of a brick wall of a requirement

Where 180k is not at all

Nerfed because of GE price

[restive storm]

Eh only halfway to 99 is not really that crazy given how op it was lol

[limber creek]

nerfed because of how unbalanced it was comparative to other magic armors

not because of ge price

[restive storm]

It had the same damage bonus as most staves lol

As a necklace

[limber creek]

it was more than full ancestral

🤔

[stark dome]

For sure. Just saying that in their post they specifically pointed out the exchange value of occult vs ancestral

They clearly care about mainscape economy

Id say more than Ironman stuff

Which is for the best

Its also why dragon cannon barrel is 1/20k

Fuckin brutal to get on an iron but a pretty easy pickup on the ge

[limber creek]

i salvaged mine

[stark dome]

Likewise. Didnt get it until 98 sailing >:/

But if you look at exchange value, its priced very fairly

So no need to mess with drop rates

[restive storm]

This is mostly cuz it’s entirely useless lol

And nobody needed one to train sailing

[sly basin]

tbf game shouldnt be catered to iron, choosing to restrict oneself is part of the challenge

[ember token]

I got 2 barrels before 99 sailing and then I didnt get salvors paint until 25m sailing xp

[restive storm]

My brain can’t fathom post 99 sailing

Getting 99 was bad enough

[stark dome]

Yeah couldn't be me

Ill do the next cuda trial they put out and explore the islands

But you'll never see me on a salvage hook again

Hated that

[limber creek]

i afk salvaged the ENTIRE way

[ember token]

sailing is just so ezscape, should make it go to 120

[tacit pendant]

There isnt a reason to get post 99 in most skills bar slayer and combats and like.... maybe farming, on a main. Idek how to begin to solve that

[ember token]

then they can make the new barracuda trial be like 400k xp an hour and who cares cuz it goes to 120

[restive storm]

Same, what a waste of like three years of dev time that was

[stark dome]

Nothing to solve really

Maxing is its own reward

Youre done

Log off

[restive storm]

Theee years of dev time for two weeks afk salvaging lol

[tacit pendant]

Agree kinda, idk its possible that skilling has a more rewarding post game loop but itd take more effort than likely worth

[ember token]

they launched salvaging way overtuned and it was already over, they tried to nerf it too late and then they walked it back and buffed it even further

[tacit pendant]

This could all be wrapped up in a giant. "Sailing wasnt done AND wasnt tested" complaint

[limber creek]

dont forget a day of fussing about ocean uber or sea agility

some of the islands have good content on them. frost drags are afk money which is cool. the ironwood trees on sunbleak isle got me from 87 to 99 woodcutting in a week very afk (im like 10k exp off 99)

but like i couldve just taken a boat there from an npc and accomplished the same shit lol

[stark dome]

I love sailing y'all are haters

[tacit pendant]

Aquanites and strikewyrms could have binned entirely if they were gonna release this way

[limber creek]

thats dead content to me sadly lol

[tacit pendant]

I like sailing. Can still be critical

[stark dome]

True. The afk salvage thing bored me to death

But I enjoyed the actual boat stuff

[limber creek]

sailing couldve been driving and gave us a horse and chariot or some shit for mainland

[obsidian venture]

Kinds expected of a skill tbh. Has good and bad parts but is on par with others. At least they released a fair bit of content with it

[tacit pendant]

I think a more focused wave 1 sailing release would have been better than the vastness of unfinished stuff that was put out

[obsidian venture]

Hopefully combat is fixed tmrw and they could work on other updates

[eternal sluice]

Riding 2027

[stark dome]

YES please

Update combat

Tomorrow

I have a dragon cannon now and haven't fired it once

[limber creek]

fixing the combat would be cool. Then they can give me something worth killing to and we'll really be cooking.

[restive storm]

I tested it and gave extensive feedback and it all went totally ignored

[tacit pendant]

The actual biggest flaw with sailing is that the only real reward is what frost dragons and a new astral method, a few clue teles?

[quiet plank]

The fish are good too

But yeah it needs more rewards that benefit the rest of the game

But that'll happen with updates so I'm not worried very much about sailing

[tacit pendant]

Oh yeah i forgot about the fish and arma brews. Argueably the biggest meta shift

[stark dome]

Good fish, teleport to any dock in the game, and some new training methods

[ashen yarrow]

sailing will basically never have anything you can kill for 10m gp/h which would make it worth it for mains to farm

[restive storm]

I’m less “worried” about it and more mad they used all that time to create such meh content lol

[quiet plank]

I think that it's the best skill when it comes to fun training methods

[tacit pendant]

My bar for content is like 5mph

[quiet plank]

If I disregarded the rewards any skill gives me than I'd probably say sailing is my favorite skill

So once it's more beneficial to your account it'll be pretty dope

[limber creek]

something fun to farm with a cool hat or something would be just as fine though.

but not for a 99 in a whole new skill

[quiet plank]

Some sailing bosses would be awesome

[limber creek]

like what if pirates just showed up and sank your shit from time to time unless you whooped em

[tacit pendant]

The tome of wind felt like an OBVIOUS reward that would hold very niche use cases

Like sailing... Wind.... Come on

[limber creek]

tome of wind should be a thing

[ember token]

fighting NPC boats is coming I think with the red reef quest

[restive storm]

Oh god no I’m gonna have to one day get back on a boat to get my quest cape back? I already gotta drink bull “milk” when I return idk how it can get much worse

[bronze kernel]

I feel too many useless and filler islands

So many are one and done

[tacit wharf]

u understand that was "bull milk" not cuz it came from the bull but cuz the bull got the cows knocked up, to which yr not suppose to drink their milk at that time

[bronze kernel]

Or only exist solely to appease some snowflake Ironman

I mean some clearly were made for snowflakes in mind

Who would genuinely go out of there way to Shimmering Atoll for teaks?

[ashen yarrow]

well it is pretty hard to make every island a meta spot for mains

[bronze kernel]

If it had like a bank deposit box or something

I could see it

But no real point to. Especially with the journey to get back there manually

[ashen yarrow]

mains also do not even know what is on the islands so they cannot utilize them even if they wanted to

[bronze kernel]

Isle of Bones is a waste of a good name on a nothingburger

[ashen yarrow]

like Buccaneers' Haven has new mutated bloodveld cannon spot

[restive storm]

Well no I haven’t done the quest so how would I know that when the common take on it was “this quest was just designed by some perv”

[tacit pendant]

Hey ironman imbued heart soon though so thats actually kinda cool

[limber creek]

i only learned about the trees recently ngl lmao

[restive storm]

Ironmeme scape wins again

[tacit pendant]

My main will prob buy one as im more invested in melee and ranged content

And cba for a heart to do what like... Whisperer

[bronze kernel]

Depending on how common and accessible it is

[restive storm]

I think I got like 3-4 hearts just for prepotting pking 😂 rip the ge value on those

[bronze kernel]

It could still be a decent for mains as a cheaper alternative

An imbued heart is 115M

[tacit pendant]

Idk sell now squintz lol

Itll be great for mains lol

[bronze kernel]

There are a lot more important upgrades you can spend that on before an imbued heart

[tacit pendant]

Forgotten brews are cheeks at like yama for example

Because you lose melee stats

[restive storm]

Idk if I can even be bothered to login to sell them tbh

I’ll just take the L

[tacit pendant]

Send me the pass ill just keep the diff (for mods this is a joke)

[minor whale]

The "common take" is by people who spacebar through quests or are illiterate

It explicitly says it's just spoiled milk he's stealing

[restive storm]

Seems like something someone wanting me to drink bull “milk” would say as well though

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[meager flame]

Tbh I think a lot of people think this way but it doesn’t actually make any sense

It’s like the less bad line of thinking that leads people to saying deiron to any suggestion to make the game better lol

When realistically everyone is always going to suggest changing things that they think aren’t very good and it legitimately doesn’t matter which mode they play as they’re all official game modes in the game

Would be different if it was like a made up restriction that has nothing to do with jagex

[meager flame]

Tbh high key sailing is one of the worst skill releases I ever played and I’ve played them all pre eoc lol

It’s not the worst because it didn’t make any new mistakes or anything and it did some stuff really well but

Many skills released with far more of a real point and place within the game immediately

They gave us the groundwork for a skill that might be good but we haven’t actually had them deliver on it yet and show us it actually does become a part of the game that matters

[ashen yarrow]

The main issue people find with sailing is that it didnt bring any bis end game gear that isnt boat upgrades

[tacit wharf]

why would it

[meager flame]

That’s kind of the point but not exactly

It’s supposed to bring something you actively care about to the game

So with sailing that’s inevitably islands and places to go that are a big deal

[ashen yarrow]

most arguments on sailing release came down to why do it when it only unlocks more sailing stuff and mid game content

[meager flame]

So that you actually want to level sailing and associated skills to reap the benefits of participating

But they don’t have that part implemented

So we have the systems of how you’d do that but we don’t have a reason to do it

[tacit wharf]

u could ask that question about a lot of skills, especially on a main

[meager flame]

Most skills didn’t immediately fall into that trap but some did

That’s why sailing isn’t the worst but it’s definitely not the best either

[tacit wharf]

to which i will say, i expect integration to come after the initial release, not right away

[meager flame]

Not to scare people either but most skills that did start that way are still that way today

Stuff like firemaking or hunter kinda never went anywhere

They did at least try with hunter and the guild recently though

Then you get the complete opposite releases like farming for example or con

Where they just dropped with a reason to do them right out of the gate that was immediately useful for everyone

[ashen yarrow]

farming with herbs as the single useful thing on it

[meager flame]

Yeah but look at how it fit the game

People still want more herb patches today lol

It just goes to show it doesn’t even take a lot it just needs one good idea

[ashen yarrow]

yeah because mains for some reason use herb runs as moneymaker even when they have access to way better gp/h

Like some people doing doom for money and then go do herb run between for gp

[meager flame]

Luckily for sailing as long as they aren’t too scared

They’ll almost guaranteed give it the one useful idea even on accident

They’ll put something on some island eventually that people actually care about

[ashen yarrow]

i wonder how many people are mining runite in deepfin point for moneymaker. can build bank right next to 4 runite rocks

[meager flame]

Tbh one of the small things I can’t believe they didn’t do

Is put like big standard farming spots down on some islands

The kind you’d put into a farming run with allotments etc next to the herb patch

Although I do get the vibe that our islands currently aren’t even supposed to be like

Something you come back to lol

[remote ruin]

I was just there to build it and saw two people hopping worlds near the rocks

[meager flame]

There’s really only a couple that you might think about for some reason atm

[ashen yarrow]

i can see few of the existing islands being used in future quests, they seems to have content/stuff that is there just for show but cannot be interacted with yet

[stark dome]

Im hype

Sailing haters dont see the potential of expansion via islands

Lack of imagination pretty cringe ngl

[chrome lantern]

And bottled storm, unfortunately

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think expansion via islands is any more creative or exciting than expansion without islands

[stark dome]

Thats where youre wrong

[chrome lantern]

Tying expansion to islands makes the expansion have almost nothing to do with sailing

You get a level then you stop caring about the fact it was remotely associated with sailing

And sailing is trivially easy to level

So much that you don’t even have to play the game to level it

[stark dome]

This is the whole game

[chrome lantern]

I would not say that’s generally true

If you get 92 mining you still have to mine to get amethyst

If you get 95 fletching you still fletch to make dragon darts

All the Sailing island proposals require islands to have dedicated teleport/transport methods to get to them because it’s inherently awful to try to tie Sailing to the island to part of the benefit of the island, especially with making bottled storms exist and suck to get

Since if getting to the island is part of the balance, the teleport to the island via boat tele just removes that factor entirely

And if you don’t have to sail to it, why tie it to Sailing at all

[stark dome]

You've got to sail through dangerous waters just to find it my man

I get you though. Its weird to just kinda be done with a skill once you can teleport to any of the islands

Maybe if there was some sort of benefit to bringing a boatload of stuff to said island 🤔

[chrome lantern]

I would say the exploration aspect of Sailing is kinda bad tbh, especially if we look a lt like the random arbitrary schematic chests

It’s just clog bloat and doesn’t really add value

Charting was neat and I actually enjoyed most of it

[stark dome]

Clog bloat bad but I enjoyed charting overall

[chrome lantern]

But other parts were just uh

Really bad

The mermaid puzzles were especially bad

With one of them literally requiring knowledge that doesn’t exist in OSRS

And is only based on an RS3 character

But just in general there are a lot of puzzles that have been made that I don’t feel are actual puzzles as much as, “Can I somehow think the exact way the creator was thinking for an extended time,” and this was also how I felt about Garden of death

[stark dome]

I got really into cryptic clues the last couple weeks so I think id find them fun now

[chrome lantern]

Asking how to make a potion or enchanted ring or pie from scratch? Sure!

[stark dome]

But when I did them yeah

[chrome lantern]

Asking about an RS3 character? Why

[stark dome]

Wasn't a fan of the mermaids

[chrome lantern]

Charting also suffers from the same issue of Quest Helper as so many things in this game

Where the actual experience of interacting with it is kinda deleted

I understand people can still use guides but it makes you actually expend literally any mental effort and get involved in the process

[stark dome]

Pretty true... though my suggestion would just be remove quest helper

[chrome lantern]

I agree

[stark dome]

Yeah

Hurts when I look at mobile suggestions and half of them are just begging for quest helper

Figure it out

[chrome lantern]

I think clue helpers are a mistake too

[stark dome]

Im ok with coordinate clue helper 😅

Otherwise yeah

I raw dog my slider puzzles

[chrome lantern]

Maybe a way to unlock a faster way of determining coordinates but I wouldn’t get rid of the process entirely

[stark dome]

Thatd be fine

Take clue to poh study to get a map marker

[chrome lantern]

Even if it were like use the sextant in a quest then unlock a quick-rightclick option

Yeah notes could be ok I guess

For recurring step

But that’s a bit blurring the line imo

[stark dome]

No i mean you take your active clue to the telescope or book case

And then you get a blip on the world map of where to go

Requires decent construction level and you having a study

[chrome lantern]

I see

[stark dome]

Last time I actually used the sextant and watch....

I think I was 12?

What a painful process

[chrome lantern]

Add land-charting to unlock the ability to map regions in your PoH map then use it to quick-mark coordinates

[stark dome]

There ya go

And make it so you can bring pvm supplies to boss islands in your boat for more efficient trips to future content

To make sailing feel more relevant

Jagex hire us

[meager flame]

they already have this

hate to say it but jagex is just going to let people know the bottled storm exists when they want teleports a lot of the time in the future

the only reason i hate to say it though is bc while i have a bottled storm on the boat i use for everything

good god it sucks to get lol

the idea of having to go get a new one to leave a boat i dont intend to use for anything besides that teleport is kind of revolting

[tacit pendant]

Hopefully as more reasons to own multiple boats pop up. They continue to add sources for bottled storms

[meager flame]

i dont even think they need more sources

they just need to think long and hard about what they did with the ones they have lmao

[tacit pendant]

I mean agreed

I see it as more likely that a faster new method comes out than they fix old ones

See venators and blood shards "look guys its new content!!"

[meager flame]

yeah its just crazy because the bottled storm is actually the first time somehow

that i've ever sat there like "holy shit this is actually terrible" and questioned why i was even logged in while i was getting one

lmao i have never had that much of a reaction to any content in either version of rs

except for i guess eoc where i just quit

[tacit pendant]

I didnt bother on the iron. But god damn is it convenient on the main

Summoning felt disrespectful at the time i will say lol

[meager flame]

its just insane that it gave me the osrs version of an existential crisis

[tacit pendant]

Well you better pray tommorows update makes it better. You aint gettin nothin else once leagues starts

[meager flame]

lmao i really do hope they are willing to make big changes and take risks for sailing combat

[stark dome]

Im not bullish on that one

[tacit pendant]

I know we wont get prayer but i wish

[stark dome]

Given their initial answer was just a mounted rune crossbow

[tacit pendant]

Enviroment hurts boat health. Monsters attack the player. But thats too much to ask

[stark dome]

Smh

[meager flame]

its just wild that the state was bad enough that one day i just stopped the whole boat upgrade grind and did 1k corp solos instead

and now we wait

[stark dome]

Cannon needs to hit 5x harder

[meager flame]

and corp solos are not good content

[stark dome]

And shoot way slower

[meager flame]

but it was better than what i was doing lmao

[tacit pendant]

Do i go buy d cannon barrels on main lol

[meager flame]

i thought about that gamble

its probably not the worst idea

[tacit pendant]

Corp please get nex loot system pls and ty

They are 4 mil ill snag a few just to flip content creators ig

[stark dome]

My rage

[tacit pendant]

Haha

[stark dome]

I did 99 fletching on that frickin boat

Waiting for a cannon to show up in my 10 space cargo hold

[meager flame]

that part of sailing was also insane

but at least i could just watch shows or whatever while it was happening

[stark dome]

They were smart to make xp rates good

You look at everyone's most hated skills and they all have one thing in common

Shit xp rates

[meager flame]

i was getting pretty salty that i was doing post 99 exp for cannons because it was like

i would have just done trials to 99 and been done even faster right

but i needed two cannon barrels so i stopped to get them

and lmao i made it to 16m before i had them both

[stark dome]

Oh yeah if you did trials to 99 you'd have been done so much faster

I only got the one cannon and put it on my rosewood skiff

Tomorrow I use my lil red rocket to kill krakens

Till I get greater teleport focus for my fishing trawler

[meager flame]

i still cant believe thats how you get dragon cannons

[stark dome]

Yeah its truly bizarre

But

As I was saying hours ago...

The GE price is so low that its fine

Anyone who wants 2 dragon cannons can buy them

[meager flame]

i mean thats kind of tragic too

it could've been a cool drop from like some kind of engaging content but instead

they're free because its from hard 30 min afk content

[stark dome]

Truuuuuue

When bots can farm bis combat gear

You kinda fucked up

I want it to be rare

But at least make it rare from something fun

[chrome lantern]

Oh I know, I have 4 in rate for 7.5

[stark dome]

You going for inky?

[tacit pendant]

Slayer has entered the chat

If agility had like 1-2 more things that were as good as sepulchre its be a diff tune there. Fuck rc and gotr 🤣

[stark dome]

I been saying if sepulchre had double the xp rate of rooftops it would be beloved

Im 99 slayer on two accounts and I can say its a shit skill becuase its too slow

[tacit pendant]

I can agree on that

Sepulchre could be like 50% more xp AND gp and the game would be better for it

[stark dome]

Yeah

Im also fine with making the player chose between the two

Lots of gp from looting OR big xp from zooming

[tacit pendant]

Sure but like it could even be both and oooo nooo everyone wants to do the best agility minigame in the game by far

[stark dome]

Haha sure my main soapbox is xp

Like

Ardy roofs vs sepulchre

Sepulcure is like 10x the clicks per minute at least

For 1.5x the xp?

Those numbers are pulled straight from bum but the sentiment is real

[tacit pendant]

Really curious overall what this years sweep up is gonna tackle

So many good candidates skilling and pvm

[stark dome]

Youre not proportionally rewarded for the increase in effort

[meager flame]

theres a bunch of random stuff

[tacit pendant]

I dont even care about that per se. Id be more focused on just getting players to do the best content. Reward going to zalcano and learning blast mine over stars. Reward the new sailing fishing shit. Giants foundry being meta over blast furnace would be more fun subjectively

I know what is fun is like "my opinion man"

[meager flame]

pnm drop rates, salad blade and rapier, harm staff/kodai/elemental spells basically, corp

i honestly think nex and corp should both have a solo version that is actually engaging/fun

like how the nightmare has pnm

[stark dome]

Nah im with you that the most engaging attention requiring content should be the most rewarding

[tacit pendant]

Nex is solo hehe

[stark dome]

Especially if bots can't do it

[meager flame]

yeah but its trash

[tacit pendant]

I would actually rather pnm have a team version at that difficulty lmao

Corp needs anything. Your list is basically my list

[limber creek]

i need to do sepulchre i learned some of it on leagues and i guess its not the worst thing ever lol

[meager flame]

theres probably more honestly that im just not thinking of atm

[tacit pendant]

Oh and more SRA changes, oh and make horn work with claws + new flail

[meager flame]

ya thats one of them

SRA rework

i actually think that one is like

maybe the most important

[limber creek]

horn is dope and so many people dont utilize it for cool things

[tacit pendant]

If your passive effect takes more than 4-5 words its bad

Horn is dope. But like its yama, toa, melee kree, i cant think of much else

Id be down to learn new methods if they are good

[meager flame]

the horn is interesting because idk if its actually fun or not

[limber creek]

me and my cox duo use it for pre tek and on mutta

[tacit pendant]

Itd be more fun on dps specs imo

[limber creek]

it so would be lol

[tacit pendant]

Horn as a pre fight chore is not

[meager flame]

like sometimes its cool like at gwd where you're all just kind of casually waiting together

[tacit pendant]

Which is the design for hammers

[limber creek]

for mutta we use it to gurantee zgs

which is a cool interaction

[tacit pendant]

Thats fire actually

Gonna save that for later

[meager flame]

but it would probably be weird if it was like higher intensity and someone misses their horn timing or whatever because the window was really tight

[limber creek]

no more splashing the freeze means free diles every time!

[meager flame]

and everyone just like

wastes their specs and shit

idk if that would really be fun at that point

[tacit pendant]

It needs 1 more range and a few more ticks imo

Actually

Why even have a super tight timing window anyways

[limber creek]

a lot of people just would rather do the dps themselves than buff a friend tbh

[tacit pendant]

Like if you are just fucking off not using specs or the effect thats dps loss on its own

[meager flame]

stuff like this is when i realize osrs really needs a party system in game

then you could just pop the horn and buff people if they're in the same general room as you and it would be less prone to frustration

but still give you a way to interact with each other

[limber creek]

hell i miss coinshare

[tacit pendant]

Horn being a literal sound based instrument and being like venator bow range was always just goofy. Oh well

[meager flame]

tbh now that jagex has jagex accounts

this could be so cool if they just had like an autosplitter basically where it would sell drops that drop automatically and give people their cut

they'll never do it though probably just be paying people out on my main and raiding on my iron etc forever

[ashen yarrow]

Imagine getting merched by someone because autosplitter insta sells tbow

[meager flame]

i think it would have to be slightly smarter than just insta sell to the highest bidder

and you might end up having to wait because of it a little bit but

i'd take the convenience of having something like that all the time over trying super hard to sell each drop for the most i could

[ashen yarrow]

i do think something that will handle splitting would make sense, assuming it requires everyone to accept it before raid/bossing. Might be hard to implement even just for mains

[meager flame]

ya it would be nice just because basically

[ashen yarrow]

i dont even want to think about needing to make it work for ironman splitting with alts

[meager flame]

nobody could get scammed for example

you wouldn't have to go chase people down to pay them etc

it would just work

the splitting with irons and their alts is the fun part of it but probably a worthy goal just because it would improve the experience for everyone playing with them

i imagine it would end up being something like the other account being attached to the same jagex account and having the money already available in a coffer or something

and if they could meet all of those requirements they could be included in the splits basically

[limber creek]

just make ironman not able to use it

they cant ge anyway

bada bing bada boom

[meager flame]

yeah but then you just do what you do today

[limber creek]

im not an iron

[meager flame]

so you just accept not getting splits from irons?

[limber creek]

yeah

[meager flame]

why lmao

they can still pay you

[limber creek]

not the ones ive ran with lol

[ashen yarrow]

some irons dont have billion gp on main

[meager flame]

well some of them can anyways

ya thats why you'd have to require their mains to actually be able to pay to participate

basically though once you actually have gp you do it just like a main

you get splits sent to that character and you pay people out by either dropping the dupes and splitting as usual

or you just pay it out if you're gonna keep the item

its better for everyone once you reach that point too because like

maybe you want to buy bonds or whatever for your accounts

and theres no reason for people to not want to bring an iron to their raid at least in terms of profit

[limber creek]

you can still do that with an iron but lootshare isnt for them

why everything gotta be about them 😛

[meager flame]

its about everyone though not just about irons

it would just be weird to create a system to make it easier to do splits and then ignore the most annoying version of doing a split and then having it just not work in tons of groups because most people play with a mix of irons and mains

[limber creek]

they do?

[meager flame]

yes lol various forms of irons are like 30% of the total players

[tacit wharf]

even thats kinda skewed

[meager flame]

the odds of actually running around in groups doing stuff together and never having at least one of them be an iron is almost impossible

[tacit wharf]

since every iron has a main

[meager flame]

im pretty sure when jagex showed some of that stuff they didn't include gim at all too

[tacit wharf]

but ya, most bossing is a mix of mains/irons

[meager flame]

and we cant really count them when we do calcs either because they dont show up on the hiscores that way

it would take a lot of effort to get them in there even though there are tons of gims running around

[tacit wharf]

ya would have to go to each group size of gim and then u also have unranked which dont show up at all

roughly 49k 5 man gim teams

[chrome lantern]

I got 3 paints, I just wanted 1 bottled storm for every boat slot

[warm storm]

hmm yeah the more i think about it i don't think you can really make a system that accommodates irons with gp alts who don't want to sell items in their name

would be fine to release the tool as main exclusive though imo

[meager flame]

i think they probably just wont make one

if they dont make an effort to actually have it work in most groups it would probably just be a waste of time to start

wouldn't make sense to make something designed in a way where you know people just wont use it for the most part

[limber creek]

"most groups" is still debateable

[meager flame]

idk i think once you have a bunch of different game modes that are pretty popular its super unlikely and kind of crazy to assume a collection of players will be entirely* any individual account type

[austere mulch]

idt itd work with new flail even if they made it work with claws (like they should) since claws stop rolling accuracy once you pass your first check, and the flail will continue to roll accuracy even if you pass, until all attempts are used

to make it work with flail, itd have to work with the next attack rather than the next attempt at acc

[tacit pendant]

Tbh i really think its kinda down to devs vibes. The kistens just gonna have one hitsplat and they do all this referencing to hitsplats in their "explanations" on the claws interaction. But then again idek what other if any melee attacks have multiple rolls for one splat

Fang, but thats picking the highest

Your logic is sound though, and i could see it just as well being, only 1 accuracy check actually hits guaranteed which is meh

[austere mulch]

thats just how it works currently

[tacit pendant]

Wiki (which may be poorly worded) says attack and single hitsplat which like.... Line up with kisten

[austere mulch]

it makes the next attempt at acc 100%

and with claw specs, they added that logic to the second attempt rather than the first

its why it doesnt work with both dds hits

but technically does with abby dagger

[tacit pendant]

Is it actual accuracy checks or hitsplats? Is there a difference in claws case?

[austere mulch]

has nothing to do with hitsplats

[tacit pendant]

Fair enough

[austere mulch]

its purely your next acc check

[tacit pendant]

It would be great if they told us if it worked in the pitch / poll lol

[austere mulch]

they did on twitter at least 🤣 thats where i got confirmation it was expected to work with claws

but not scythe's full hit

[tacit pendant]

I meant in regards to the kisten

[austere mulch]

the way they descirbed it is it always gets 4 acc rolls and your buff is based on the number of rolls you passed

vs claws where you get up to 4 attempts at acc, and accuracy stops rolling once passed

[tacit pendant]

Yeah, i think the "hitsplat" wording on wiki was tripping me up

Were on the same page

[austere mulch]

pretty sure horn is better for the crush thing than it is with claws but thats not saying much 💀

bc its awful either way

potentially cool item with targeted niche once again is unnecessarily nerfed

[tacit pendant]

Surely summer sweep up surely surely

[austere mulch]

i mean they thought ralos was too strong so they nerfed it on release so im not too hopeful in the alignment they have there

at least they reverted that tho

[tacit pendant]

Just wait til sailing bosses man, then they will all aee that my ranged def drain is good

[austere mulch]

i get being overly cautious on stat stick item upgrades

but niche things they are way too conservative on

[tacit pendant]

Yeah i can agree

Well then oathplate destroyed the generalist option. They are weird

But generally dhw needed a buff on release, huey armor, sunfire, and justi etc all giga lame. Ohhhhh well

[tidal lark]

jagex address the elephant

[austere mulch]

not really something for the content devs to address init

community manager maybe, but they would just be the messenger

[minor whale]

They over promised on Huey's fight which makes me glad the dhw isn't stronger currently

It's such a nothing blah slog fight and drops quite a good weapon quite commonly

[gritty frigate]

idk if dhw is that good? Is it better than twinflame staff?

[tacit wharf]

u cant really compare them

[meager flame]

tbf this might actually just be a problem that solves itself via continued development

like

oathplate is only seen as bis because our best weapons are all slash weapons for melee

for the most part anyways

all jagex has to do is release not slash content or release things like crush megarare and so on

and oathplate is turned into a sidegrade you use sometimes

rather than used almost all of the time

Once we have real scythe alternatives we’re like seconds away from a boss that changes its melee weakness drastically mid fight

So you’d want to wear torva instead of oathplate or inq exclusively

[tacit wharf]

and nuke scythe crush

[meager flame]

Yeah but that’s basically a given

I don’t see how they’d justify to themselves leaving that in the game lol

[tacit wharf]

im guessing the same way they believe having powered staves overpower the other 8+ weakness types of magic

[meager flame]

Tbf there are zero serious attempts at ancient or elemental magic being a real thing at the top end

A megarare isn’t going to be overlooked like that

[tacit wharf]

which is a crying shame

since magic is the most fkin diverse set of weaknesses in the game

[austere mulch]

also because the 'strength' set doesnt have a meaningful diff in str bonus

if torva had another 2-4 str bonus, then oath would actually be more fitting for where its supposed to sit

[warm storm]

oath is objectively quite a lot better than inq in their respective styles, no?

[meager flame]

its 6 accuracy and 2 str bonus vs 2.5% accuracy and damage

[warm storm]

inq is addy armor tier defence and negative attack bonuses for everything but crush as well. oath meanwhile isn't far behind torva for defence

[meager flame]

thats true but its kinda hard to say it matters in most content

just dps wise

they should be quite similar inq is probably better most of the time if you get an equal weapon for both but

they basically dont really make crush weapons

like for example if you compare full oathplate with the bis stuff like treads/ultor/infernal etc to inq with the same but with a bludgeon

they're just about the same dps

caveat that you're looking at a whip with an avernic vs a bludgeon

so the inq is definitely picking up some slack

jagex generally just doesn't provide an equally statted crush weapon to compare though

[warm storm]

if they are about the same dps then all that leaves is the glaring penalties that inq received for no apparent reason

(or buffs to oath, depending on which direction you're looking from)

[meager flame]

ya inq is better ultimately its just that the available weapons with one massive exception hold it back

its not even close if you compare a salad blade in oathplate to a inq mace in inquisitor

bc it goes from 2.5% to 7.5%

[warm storm]

ya. quite a choice they made there.

[meager flame]

inq is also 5 prayer bonus vs 0

[warm storm]

i wonder how oath would have been received if its stats were worse but you get a % bonus wearing a scythe

[meager flame]

they probably would've picked a different weapon

but yeah if they add a crush megarare

good chance torva is going to take another blow lol

just because it could turn into a situation where for whatever reason however it scales favors inq somehow

the stats on the npcs we end up actually attacking will matter too

[warm storm]

time for the double-baked torva component armor

[round lintel]

what do you guys think todays update is going to be about?

Hopefully ship combat

[meager flame]

I think ship combat but I fear nothing because they don’t want to do anything while everyone is pissed lol

This would be excellent timing for something to go wrong though

[jagged marsh]

Ballistic attractor and new kraken

Drops dragon cannon

[round lintel]

Hopefully drops dragon nails too

cuz killing 15k frost dragons isnt the best way to make content for a new skill

thats just for a sloop and a skiff

xd

[warm gust]

Any clue what the mods are going to release this week, since it's still a month before next in line on the roadmap

[restive siren]

good chance to be ship combat stuff

[ember token]

if it's not ship combat stuff, itll just be another small update with more of the getting around poll changes

[chrome lantern]

Hurycoatl hide was polled as “ranged prayer gear” but is just worse gear with the same prayer bonus as crystal

[chrome lantern]

This was just a somehow even lazier way of trying to do what they did to confliction gauntlets where it doesn’t work on shadow so that it wouldn’t buff crush scythe more

[chrome lantern]

I hope they put the kraken in the middle of mercenary shipwrecks

I don’t actually think that’s a good idea but it would be hilarious to see the outrage

[meager flame]

im sorta okay with it since its basically just a weapon to fit into a set bonus

i'd be mad at it if it wasn't also still just the best crush armor for every other weapon on crush too

[chrome lantern]

It also means the inq mace isn’t very good without the armor and it doesn’t fill any progression gaps for crush on iron because puts way easier to get scythe than get the mace and inq on an iron

[meager flame]

they also kinda just gave as much dps as they reasonably could to every other crush weapon so its not like they could've done much more

unless they just wanted it to absolutely crush torva as soon as you set anything to crush lol

its already better for the most part but it would get really out of hand if inq was any better

there would be some weird questions like

do i just run my scythe on crush all the time etc

[chrome lantern]

Can’t you make crush good without making torva bad by just making stab/slash really high compared to crush but still having low crush def

[meager flame]

yeah but then they dont get to fill out the space of crush specific armor

i expect they'll give us stab armor too

and then i guess you just recycle the entire thing and do better pure str gear

and repeat

or i mean

[chrome lantern]

And then we’ll be in a place where you just fang absolutely everything before scythe

[meager flame]

they could just start making meaningful bosses for melee where you like idk

crush the shell of the boss for phase 1 and then for phase 2 you want to slash

[chrome lantern]

I don’t really think stab armor sounds great either tbh

[meager flame]

so you bring crush and slash weapons and torva is just ideal

because its pretty good for both

stuff like that

[chrome lantern]

Sure and thereby penalize inq negative stab/slash acc xd

[meager flame]

im kinda surprised that they haven't really done anything like that off the top of my head

they basically always want you to go to an entirely different combat style rather than ask you to swap the type of weapon you're using for a single style

actually thinking about it more that could be one of the coolest bosses in the game make it work like sol but have a different pattern and timing for each attack style and a 4 tick and 5 tick version for both

so people just show up with like at least 3 weapons but ideally 6

if they wanted to do the most dps

[frozen lion]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

#game-news

[winter yacht]

first of all..no i dont wanna to hear some sailing talk shiet

[sturdy wolf]

is this table with the new damage values for the cannons respective HIGHEST or lowest cannon balls? since the blog text says that each cannonball hits harder - but looking at the values for example bronze cannon has damage at 8 now... where as the wiki states that bronze cannon's max is 11/12(with the beer).... so thats a NERF to the damage no? Am I missing something here or... did they just nerf actually the damage while increasing accuracy lol?

also looking at the other values, dragon cannon has damage of 32... previously we could max hit of 45 with it... I assume that must be some base damage or with 1 sailing/minumn sailing level?

[gentle badge]

I'm guessing damage is supposed to say strength

[timber drift]

good changes in regards to cballs atleast but why is every sea area still multi? if you make one wrong move you get gangbanged by 5 vamp krakens and also prevents most tech in regards to movement because if you aren't careful you aggro a bunch more. kinda crazy this wasn't changed or even addressed

[sturdy wolf]

that does make way more sense! lol, looking at the values at the wiki it would be then indeed a buff to their strenght and I guess listing the strenght makes more sense than listing the new max hits since they are dependant of your sailing level so it would be less inconsistent with players sailing levels

[winged mantle]

this is the crew

[sturdy wolf]

aaah seems like the text values for strenght and damage got mixed in the blog it seems lol, that clarifies it! ty

[winged mantle]

yar

now i will go for sailing clogs

if only they would now also fix the price hike

[gilded granite]

Hey, that's the table showing Cannon Ranged Strength - cannonballs is later. I will update 'Damage' to say 'Ranged Strength'

[dry pond]

Do we have estimates on how much HP is being added to sea creatures?

[ember token]

in 21 minutes we will

[deft barn]

Looking forward to testing out the new combat changes, but was hoping for changes to the bounty system to make it really worth engaging in - some kind of additional desirable reward (even if cosmetic) would go a long way to getting players to engage

[gilded granite]

I'll make sure that's passed on as feedback 👍 One thing to mention is that these changes are a series of smaller, foundational changes that are designed to fix some of the major/glaring issues players flagged to us. It will build an awesome foundation for future improvements like the ones you sugested, and I'm personally SUPER excited to share information about NPC boats soon, which will be our first major expansion to combat!

[ember token]

yeah im interested to see how npc boats will work, mainly if it'll be strictly boat vs. boat or if it will also involve attacking NPCs on the boat too

[meager flame]

i think the thing that stuck out to me most about the changes is that you guys described fighting npcs previously like this "However, by doing so we invalidated hard-earned gear progression and this resulted in sluggishly long fights." and then in the next paragraph said this "Rather than tweaking drop rates, we've balanced this around the hitpoints of Sea NPC Monsters so that they will take a similar time to kill, which will keep kills per hour roughly the same."

so basically is it still sluggish?

[deft barn]

Awesome, cant wait - more content will definitely be the driver. Without going into specifics, are you able to share how soon we will be hearing about NPC boats? 👀

[still sundial]

yeah it worries me a bit, what weapon is it assuming we are using?

[meager flame]

its just interesting mostly because it reads like "we've identified that sailing combat can feel a bit slow because your regular weapons don't do a lot of damage thus we've removed the restrictions on them however to keep things actually exactly the same we've also changed the npc hp effectively making sure nothing changed outside of cannonball usage"

which is kind of a big ? lol

[blazing bluff]

“Players can now use a filled fish crate on a bank booth, banker, or bank chest to empty the fish into their inventory. This works the same as using the "Empty" option on the crate.”

Wonder if this means the empty option has been fixed to not destroy the crate when opened in the inventory?

[meager flame]

maybe they meant sailing combat was slow if you weren't using cannons or something though

[frozen lion]

Cannonballs prices should drop soon logically

[tacit pendant]

Short cballs guys quick

[still sundial]

if the monster HP was increased to make it the same kills per hour as with a shadow now, that sounds like a big nerf to the average player who doesn't use shadow, for example. so curious to see how much the HP is actually buffed by

[tacit pendant]

Really hoping to hear any discussion about prayer usage in boat combat from the devs and where their vision for the future might be

[minor whale]

It'll be a nerf unless they make max gear substantially faster

[spare rose]

everything got a dps boost though

[minor whale]

If "mid level" gear is baseline, max would be a massive dps boost

If max gear is the baseline then that's a mega nerf to mid level gear

[tacit pendant]

Hoping massive boost is the case, some them clogs are insane

[limber creek]

Boat combat definitely seems fixed! Woohoo!

[meager flame]

i mean hopefully the blog wording is just trying to reassure people and the end result is actually that things are just a bit quicker

otherwise im afraid they just developed the fix and then developed the fix to the fix and its not even going to be different

which is low key hilarious but

lets hope not

[upper wyvern]

as someone who made a recent iron and hasnt started sailing yet, can you explain the difference between before and after?

[ember token]

our finest monster examiners are on the job

dolphins: 50 hp -> 74 hp

[wet smelt]

are the new boat spots cannon only?

[restive storm]

Thank god we can finally go do our bounty tasks

[wet smelt]

or does the boat just limit you to 2 cannons?

[minor whale]

50% more HP

[frozen lion]

wait we can have 4 cannons now?

[limber creek]

No as i was being facetious. The change feels super bandaid'y
Didn't read anything about cannons being able to turn more etc so i still expect that people are just going to safespot monsters.

[minor whale]

2 cannons per boat limit

[frozen lion]

damn npcs boats are mogging us

[minor whale]

Just can be on either side together or opposite sides

[surreal shadow]

are the servers back up yet?

[upper wyvern]

i had a feeling you were being sarcastic but was hoping you werent, oh well

[limber creek]

The fix to the situation was seemingly nothing.

[hollow python]

anybody have a clue as to where the new blueprint is?

[meager flame]

i mean they did do at least one good thing if nothing else

cannonball economy was improved for people actually trying to use cannons

[wet smelt]

would i be able to move a keg to the other side if i place 2 cannons on the right?

currently i am unable to build a keg on the second cannon spot but idk if thats because theres kegs in the cannon spots

[sleek zodiac]

One of the Karam fishing spots is gone but the icon is still on the minimap?

[ember token]

talk to ava it said

[meager flame]

someone gets baptized by this every update

[hollow plover]

on every server reset it takes a little bit for the unmovable spot to appear

[ember token]

erm guys karambwans are broken guys

erm

[paper zenith]

For those of you who were worried about this item being a facility and not just a flat boat upgrade, don't worry. You won't need to remove any facilities on the Sloop, since we've also added two extra facility slots where you can place a cannon or Ballistic Attractor facility.
maybe you can only put a cannon or attractor there and nothing else?

[restive storm]

5 months post release - and theyre finally starting to address beta feedback... idk if implementing "at least one good thing" is really a moral victory at this point

[sleek zodiac]

Hah no worries, cheers!

[meager flame]

yeah i know honestly i was thinking about that but i dont want to just like

let them have it for no reason before i see the real numbers on the combat change

[ember token]

vampyre kraken HP is maybe unchanged according to a random person who left wiki feedback

[wet smelt]

dont worry, membership is 30% more too

[restive storm]

100% cheaper for me cuz i just dont have it anymore dw

maybe when we get a good update ill resub but that time does not seem to be coming anytime soon

[limber creek]

Ironman update on the cannonballs though. think of the irons squinttz!

[meager flame]

tbf thats an everyone update

that shit was insanely expensive

probably still is

but not as bad at least

[wet smelt]

it was also for every other player that avoided ship combat because of the cost

the blog about cannons before this said the goal was to double the effectiveness of cannonballs to make it feel cheaper

[balmy tapir]

You guys unable to hide the minigame teleport spell now?

[ripe cradle]

why every arceuus spell has changed position? or am i losing it

[wet smelt]

15 flat armor

[ember token]

7 spells per row now since the minigame teleport meant there was no more room with 6 spells per row

[meager flame]

idk how to even respond to those stats like i see it but lol

[ember token]

also they attack with melee

[ripe cradle]

is there a way to get the spells back to how they used to be?

[wet smelt]

is the idea that you sail away as you fight?

[minor whale]

15 flat armor??

Holy hell

[weary stag]

Hey guys we think we fixed combat by making the cannons hit harder

Here's a new enemy that makes them feel how they used too incase you miss it xD

[kindred shell]

Erm sailing combat is bugged. Cant pick up the sharks killed. Wont pass through the rocks at the safespot.

[meager flame]

the part about it that makes me laugh is the heavy range weakness

[ember token]

i mean tbh seems like a bug that it passed through rocks in the first place, but you can just telegrab it now

[meager flame]

i guess i should go check to make sure

[kindred shell]

I have to telegrab a killed monster?

How does that work? Isn't telegrab for items?

[meager flame]

but im pretty sure a lot of the lures to kill it with tbow/shadow were 10 tile previously

[ember token]

telegrab works on dead sea monsters

[gentle badge]

Finally a chance to bust out my aquanite jobber!

[meager flame]

and for heavy range to 10 tile you have to accept 6 or 7 tick

so that might just be a big "we hate you" change to anyone that was safe spotting them in some ways

but the other safe spot still works that was better

since it was trapping them under your boat

[kindred shell]

This isn't a QoL fix ngl .... that's a lot of clicks to pick up a dead monster ... can it be autocasted or smth lmao

[gilded granite]

Try using telegrab or moving the boat closer. This is intended behaviour as we did not feel that sharks should be able to move through rocks and be lootable from very far away. However, we understand this might feel worse so I'm happy to pass this on as feedback to see if we should change it!

[ember token]

it's consistent with the rest of the game, you kill something behind a barrier, you can telegrab to grab it through that barrier

ok looking at the cache its about a 50% hp increase for all ocean monsters

or maybe closer to 40%

[wet smelt]

i dislike updates always having drawbacks

[timber drift]

ship combat feels much better ty jagex

i love how reddit exploded while they didnt even try

30 min before update "this sucks"

[meager flame]

i think a lot of the time this makes sense for game balance

[timber drift]

vamp krakens barely have any extra hp if at all

people just complaining coz they're broke

[meager flame]

this time im not so sure if the combat is slow feedback is fixed by making combat take the same amount of time in theory based on their blog just via different numbers

[timber drift]

🤡

[wet smelt]

im probably gonna buy a second boat for combat at this point tho

[ember token]

veiled krakens have the same HP that vampyre krakens used to have

vampyre krakens have 311 hp now

[wet smelt]

is the idea that you dps them down before they get to you?

[timber drift]

barely anything they are so much faster

[grim seal]

I’m a bit confused, does this update mean that crew fired cannon balls do less damage now? The table says 26 strength from crew mate for rune dragon balls vs 201 from the player… or did they mistakenly mislabel the table and swapped ranged strength and accuracy?

[timber drift]

you do one gorillion damage now

[meager flame]

so we're talking like 50-60% more hp then for everything i assume

[lime geyser]

This update absolutely ruined ship combat for skillers. They doubled enemy health but best we can use is 1 dragon cannon and 1 steel cannon (crewmate limitation).

[ember token]

40-50%

[meager flame]

okay

[still sundial]

HP wasn't doubled

[ember token]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/RuneScape:Cache/2026/236.7#Diff_Npcs you can look for yourself here

[hazy zodiac]

Combat… skiller…

[meager flame]

yeah it just seems like they wanted combat to stay at the same speed

but gave it different finer points so some things will be different

like our skiller friend here who just got owned apparently

[lime geyser]

Aye, i just want the loot from a skill I'm able to participate in 😂

[still sundial]

wonder if the extra facility slots means we get also more flexibility with other facilities, like an extra barrel while trawling or sometihng