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drifting valley
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Pupa is 3

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Maggot is 4

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So crush and venator bow vibes

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Venator bow for the larvae

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Just bow em all

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Eggs you obv crushing

restive siren
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Can you screenshot, cba finding it

drifting valley
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Only cuz u asked gimie a sec

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See

restive siren
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tyty

drifting valley
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It literally sas fight 1 fight 2

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3 4

restive siren
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fwiw "fig" usually refers to "figure"

drifting valley
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OH

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Oh shit

restive siren
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so maybe but definitely not as clear as you thought

deft barn
drifting valley
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Well they got me good i guess

restive siren
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but i think with their phosani comparison its pretty safe to assume well see at least 3 phases, maybe more

drifting valley
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Still though crush is most likely gona be bis on it

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It is a insect afterall

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I hella invested into it

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So hopefully i make some dough

limber creek
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Sanfews 🤔 Serp helms 🤔 Zulrah Scales 🤔

delicate rampart
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anyone else finding the follow option on people to be bugged? ill click on doing something then follow someone and its like my character is looking at the person i wanted to follow but he just keeps on going to where i originally clicked

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very odd

tacit pendant
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Its certainly not confirmation, but it would make sense if venator bow was good against the venator boss

jagged marsh
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Maggot King does not sound like an endgame boss tbh

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Like the name alone

obsidian venture
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Prob another Yama tier (mid)

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I do hope it is mechanically more interesting uwu

drifting valley
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Ita gona be harder than vorkath im pretty sure

obsidian venture
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🔥

ember token
drifting valley
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Yeah we fight each life cycle

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Fail....

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Then fight next cycle

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Untill its final stage

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Where we the player defeat it

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Using abyssal bludgeons/scythes

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(Totally didnt invest in bludgeons)

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(I did)

ember token
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you're saying we're gonna fight an unmoving rotting corpse with eggs planted in it, fail, then fight some insect larvae, fail, and then fight them when theyre in cocoons unmoving again, and fail

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i better keep my ass inside... there's maggot eggs on a rotting corpse!!!

drifting valley
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It sounds to me it will be a wave based thing where the more we control the infestation the easier next phase will be

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But one maggot in the end will survive and enter the body

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That looks like a undead dragon

ember token
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it's a venator

drifting valley
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Yup

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But for final boss bludgeon

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Crush it like the maggot it is

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Bludgeon will be 30m+

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On release day

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This boss is dropping some serious upgrades

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And looks to be insane profit with the blood sap

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Those seeker arrows are gona be seeking to bankrupt people

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Thats how expensive they will be

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They are so op

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Plus the crimson kisten weapon gona be bis spec wep for raids 4

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So that thing will be alot

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And a bis range ammy that empowers the seeker arrow t bow even further

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Have your venator bow and bludgeon ready

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They gona sky rocket

jagged marsh
drifting valley
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Idk what a venator is but ok lol

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I said undead dragon..

jagged marsh
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I'm like 15m off

drifting valley
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I have 18 blugdeons atm

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And tryna buy 11 more

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Such a no brainer item for bloodmoon boss AND for raids 4

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Since they confirmed to be a crush melee focused raid

jagged marsh
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Bludgeon at Araxxor good too

drifting valley
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All insect bosses bro

jagged marsh
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bugger me

drifting valley
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I may even invest 50m into haemostatic dressings

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As a cherry on the cake

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@obsidian venture am i right or am i right

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Venator bow bludgeons haemostatic dressings

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Did u invest

jagged marsh
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Because there's gonna be constant bleed

drifting valley
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Well im guessing only for boss fight

jagged marsh
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The entire area is hostile

drifting valley
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Science tells me i needa invest

jagged marsh
drifting valley
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Either a sanfew situation like nightmare or we need dressings

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Or both...

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The larvae will grow inside us

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And jagex knows it

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I already invested so im letting everyone know so they buy it causing prices to go up

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(Im gona profit with people and because of people)

hollow pumice
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they've been pumped to hell

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the real merch is granite hammers

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crush melee raid with a boss that is very obviously a golem

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and you can get in for cheap rn

minor whale
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Jagex does not like making bane weapons work on raid enemies

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Ba-ba? She's not undead, she's uhh...a zombie!

drifting valley
hollow pumice
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the merching subreddit is pumping them

drifting valley
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If the maggot boss fight causes bleed its going to 20k

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Or higher

hollow pumice
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it's every other post

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they're gonna crash

drifting valley
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Why would they crash after the boss is out

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If u need them

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That makes no sense

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And its being talk about on reddit cuz people know about the potential use case it will finally have in the blood moon boss

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Only way its crashing is if the boss fight has no bleed mechanic

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(Insane if true)

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Just days before its gons spike up to 15k or even 20k perhaps

thorny fossil
# drifting valley Why would they crash after the boss is out

because right now they're in the pump phase as hype is building.
When boss comes out and people evaluate how useful they actually are, the hype will die.
Very likely they are overhyped meaning the hype will decrease and the price will fall accordingly.

drifting valley
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I get what ur saying but this item is so cancer to make from scratch so its not very available easily if you do need 1 per fight..also the price is justified for what it is atm

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And hype does not matter at all once the use case is in play

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People will need the item for the boss

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And this boss seems like a money printer cuz of the arrows

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Abyssal bludgeons and haemostatic dressings will be needed is my bet

hollow pumice
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those are from skilling

drifting valley
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Ik its the sap

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Boss drops something that multiplies the sap

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Which u need for arrows

hollow pumice
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i feel like that might get changed

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especially since they have to rework the slayer monster

drifting valley
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U get sap from blood trees but the boss drops an item which takes that sap and multiplies it

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So its balanced

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You cant get alot of sap from a tree

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Thats too broken

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For how strong that sap is

hollow pumice
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probably will be able to get a decent amount

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skilling shouldn't be dogshit

drifting valley
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Enough to make woodcutting a bit profitable (500k an hr ish)

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1mill at max

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Main way to make money from sap is from the boss itself

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The balance is correct tbh

hollow pumice
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nahh defo gonna be in the mils an hour

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profitable skilling is up

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oath crafting is 12m an hour

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this shouldn't be low

drifting valley
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Sap is too strong for the main source to be coming from a tree which requires like 70 wc or less even idk what the req is

hollow pumice
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it also requires the quest

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it's fine for skilling to make strong items

drifting valley
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I mean no skill really has any broken pvm items from what i can think of yet

hollow pumice
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we've got like marlin and halibut

drifting valley
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Thats food though

hollow pumice
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it's not like the arrows are super crazy op

drifting valley
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Oh they are lol

hollow pumice
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nah

drifting valley
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They have very good stats

hollow pumice
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  • accuracy and min hit
drifting valley
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Yes and accuracy is way more op than dmg for range

hollow pumice
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amethyst ammo is the same vein of upgrade as this

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compared to rune

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92 mining req

drifting valley
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Im tellin ya the sap quantity u will get from the trees will not be what you think lol

hollow pumice
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we will see i guess

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boss will not be busted for sap considering it drops a zenyte upgrade & bis spec

drifting valley
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The trees give like 90k exp an hr
..the gp u make is just a minimal thing along with it

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Sort of like when u cut trees in prif u get some crystal shards

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Not that many

hollow pumice
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so they're defo for money

drifting valley
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They are gona be the best money probably sure

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But 1m a hr is it

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Ant no way its gona be more

hollow pumice
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the sap is also for scythe charges right?

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i don't see why they would gatekeep it super hard behind a long hard boss if they're trying to make scy upkeep on iron less aids

drifting valley
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That idk but i do remember it having to do with blood vials?

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Could be wrong though

hollow pumice
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it might be the multiplier for blood vials

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i'd need to reread

drifting valley
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Only thing ik is if the boss drops multiplies sap that means the sap from trees cant be giving off that much

hollow pumice
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the multiplier can't be that big

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it might even be blood essence tier

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i think that's the closest we have rn

drifting valley
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Curious what u think the gp an hr will be on the trees alone

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I say 1m an hr

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And thats me being generous lol

hollow pumice
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i think 2-3m, cause the trees also drop the logs right?

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logs + sap

drifting valley
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No idea on what log that is

hollow pumice
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i could have sworn the arrows needed sap + the new log + somwthing else

drifting valley
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But when u say 3m an hr do u mean that as in settle price like months after or just release day

hollow pumice
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i think months after

drifting valley
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Ah yeah no chance they will do that

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As much as id love to afk that myself for 3m an hr it wont happen

hollow pumice
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you never know, oathplate smithing is still top 10 moneymakers

drifting valley
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Whats the gp an hr on it?

hollow pumice
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the shale rocks are what 2m an hour?

hollow pumice
drifting valley
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How though what

hollow pumice
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might even be higher rn since oath is up

hollow pumice
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takes 15 minutes to make one piece

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gotta be tick perfect to do it efficiently

drifting valley
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There has to be a catch

hollow pumice
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it's harder than some bosses lol

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Not a bad thing though i think it's interesting to have harder skilling

drifting valley
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What piece is 12m an hr atm body?

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If ur right ill get on rn and do it

hollow pumice
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i can check

drifting valley
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Im so convinced this ant the case lol

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No way its that much an hr

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I did do it before btw long ago but i made nothing when i sold the finished body back then

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U gotta perfect tick the anvil over and over

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And heat the lumps on a vent

hollow pumice
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hmm

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the wiki table has prices wrong

drifting valley
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Use ge tracker

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Thats what i use anyway

hollow pumice
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looks like it's around 6-8m an hour rn?

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if my math is right

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97.3m to craft a piece then 2m tax on 101m sale

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x4 an hour

drifting valley
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1.7m gp profit per piece made

hollow pumice
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little over 6m then

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down a bit since i last did it

drifting valley
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I guess if u can do 4 in an hr lol

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I cant remember how long it took me to make 1 but i think it was 20 mins...

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I didnt like doing it though it was aids

hollow pumice
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not a fan of doing it myself but it's cool

drifting valley
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My bludgeon and harm orb investment atm is going greatly

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And they didnt even release the second blog for raids 4 yet

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Or gave a date for blood moon rises

hollow pumice
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i'm tempted to sell off my bludgeon, bought it a while ago for araxxor

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will probably just keep goin up though

drifting valley
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Its gona go to 30m if boss is weak to crush

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(Will be most likely)

hollow pumice
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might hit some sire then

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think i'm 2/3

drifting valley
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I bought 18/29 of em for 19.5 ea

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Should go back down to 19.5 soon so i can buy the rest

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Not paying 20m for em

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Since boss isnt out for a while i got some time to wait for better buy prices

hollow pumice
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i still need to offload my granite hammers

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might make some reddit accounts to pump in gebets

drifting valley
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Idk anything about that item tbh

hollow pumice
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1handed crush weapon with golem bane

drifting valley
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Oh thats niche as hell

hollow pumice
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the guthix guardian seems like a golem though

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could be a market

drifting valley
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What do ppl use it on

hollow pumice
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it's like 2nd or 3rd bis on golems

drifting valley
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How many did u buy

hollow pumice
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just like 12

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a 50m~ ish bet

drifting valley
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Havent seen that item in ge bets yetdd

hollow pumice
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i'm ahead of the curve on it

drifting valley
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Lol u may be the only person with the idea

meager flame
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tbh i'd cash out before the second blog if we were being smart about it

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and not just full on gambling

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i think some crush investment stuff might be a good gamble long term but like say the harm orb or whatever

drifting valley
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That guthix guardian isnt a golem from my understanding

meager flame
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im 99% sure that blog is going to agree with everyone that elemental robes make 0 sense from a raid

hollow pumice
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it looks golemish to me

drifting valley
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Golems tend to be cute pudgy and on little legs

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That skull boss is just a skull

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Lol

hollow pumice
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close enough

meager flame
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like imagine you got virtus from toa

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it would be lame a shit

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theres no way thats our raids 4 armor set

hollow pumice
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worst case they're pretty stable at 4m

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so i can just losee tax

drifting valley
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Investment?

meager flame
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yeah like if you wanted to gamble on elemental weaknesses idk if i'd do it for the next raid

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although some people are probably trying it because they mentioned elemental magic robe set

drifting valley
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I really do think they will propose a elemental weakness set or whatever

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They are so cornerd atm with 0 ideas

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They forsure will do it

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(I hope)

meager flame
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they mentioned it and basically all feedback has been "no that's stupid" basically

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so they're probably backing off that one

drifting valley
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I actually seen some ppl liking the idea too

meager flame
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or going to make it way too good

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but idk if they'd do that either

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but yeah the way i see it is think of virtus right now

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thats obviously not a raid reward and wouldn't be very exciting

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so i cant see them going through with it

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they'd have to work on the concept more somehow or pivot to something else

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idk which they'd do

minor whale
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It'll be extremely disappointing if that's what they go with lol

drifting valley
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Tbh alot of the tob rewards werent that exciting either..justi is literally dogshit sang was and is never that good and rapier is not from off from whip dps...only avernic and scy good

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Toa did have better set of rewards even though they were made too common but having a elemental set id argue could be a very op armor set

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Since harm exists

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Its really just about introducing the armor set then making content around it

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Thats really all tbh

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Can be a very good and strong reward

meager flame
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yeah but everyone just complains about tob rewards

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i dont think thats ever happening again

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we dont let them make rewards that aren't good anymore

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as soon as we get even the smallest idea that its supposed to not be early game content

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we attack jagex until the rewards are bis

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look at yama and doom etc

drifting valley
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Only reason why virtus set dosent seem like a raid level reward is cuz its just meant for casting barrages which isnt really a main source of damage

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But elemental casts can be VERY high dps

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If content is weak to it

meager flame
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yeah compared to elemental spells that are purely for early game accounts

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pretty much everyone doing the raid uses ancient magic more than they have ever used basic elemental stuff lol

drifting valley
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Elemental spells beat shadow at certain npcs so it can do the same with bosses

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I dont see why not right

meager flame
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yeah but where do people do that realistically

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frost dragons

drifting valley
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Thats the point brother, atm its not needed but after the elememtal set they can make bosses work with the weakness to make something very niche into a respectable gear set

meager flame
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theres also another layer as to why i'd be worried about harm investment and this is actually pure speculation

drifting valley
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Its about opening new doors

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If u get what im saying

meager flame
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but i think if jagex decided to make elemental robes that would make harm bis for enough stuff for it to make sense

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that project rebalance should worry you greatly

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that will come up in the summer

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the odds of them leaving the drop rate where it is if they're gonna do that is probably not great

drifting valley
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I did think about that but in my mind i feel they will release a raids 4 blog before mage rework

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Cuz they need feedback after they show us their ideas

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So naturally it should come out in couple months

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It is a gamble with the orbs i wont deny

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But scared money makes no money 0.0

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My bet is that jagex is very cornerd and confused about rewards...so elemental robe set will be included in the next blog

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Also i have seen ppl on reddit saying they like the idea of the elemental robe set and a utuber even made a vid proposing it

meager flame
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yeah but people on reddit like the idea of a lot of dumb stuff that basically cant happen

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like void upgrades

drifting valley
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Personally id like the robe set too even if i put my merch bias aside lol

meager flame
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the basic issue is that this is supposed to be the hardest raid blah blah right and honestly right now

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elemental spells are essentially useless to those players

drifting valley
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I just like to have some bosses that dont ALWAYS require thralls

meager flame
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yeah i also think it would be good if jagex worked on it but honestly

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idk they just dont even try to do a good job of it so far

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they've focused on elemental spells for people that can't buy a whip

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and haven't really released any support for it

drifting valley
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Elemental spells are very fun to use btw, i used my harm staff alot on some afk slayer tasks and destroyed the fire giants

meager flame
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like i want a thrall alternative

drifting valley
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And ice demon fun too in cox

meager flame
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but i dont want all the random junk they've made in the background

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like the tome of fire and dealing with sunfire runes and so on

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that would honestly be a gameplay downgrade

drifting valley
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Id like for them to make an item that combines all tomes togeather and increasing dmg a bit more on top

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A tome of wisdom

meager flame
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tbh those tomes shouldn't even be the top end anyways

drifting valley
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XD

meager flame
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they all come from junk content

drifting valley
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Idm a new tome

meager flame
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its weird because they're like

drifting valley
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Tome of guthix

meager flame
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basically low level magic offhands but jagex makes nothing else so they end up being bis for the elemental spells

drifting valley
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Hey a elemental shield ill take too

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If no robes

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And give bosses some weakness where it can shine

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Like nightmare where u need them for pillar

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I found that very unique

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Its just that we dont have many use cases for em atm

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I still think it can be a strong reward if they open doors and make new content have elemental weakness

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Sort of like venator bow...we got more and more use cases and now its so good in alot more places

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And its like what 60m or 70m now?

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Used to be like 30m

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But ye having said that i may get burnt to a crisp on harm orb investment

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I really hope my bet wins

scarlet dawn
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cannon acting strange lately especially when refilling at 0

velvet plover
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Did the dmm house recolour portal change to orange for anyone? I saw it was mentioned in the sweepup II blog but it is still the default purple for me

ember token
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it doesnt auto change

mental crane
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I swear I saw a reddit comment saying sailing combat changes coming this week like a week ago, does anyone have a link to it (assuming i really did see it)

ember token
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pretty sure they said in this week's update blog that the sailing combat changes are coming next update

icy relic
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What good are combat changes if there is nothing worth hitting

meager flame
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tbf you could say what good is there in making anything to hit if you dont do combat changes too

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kinda have to start somewhere

tacit wharf
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whats the use of building a house, if you dont lay a solid foundation first

round lintel
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as we have player own house, do you think we can have player own island? xd

vivid berry
zenith pike
left wolf
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I can't find the suggestion thing again

cedar dirge
left wolf
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I made a suggestion not so long ago

tacit wharf
hard axle
sullen coral
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they already did a player designed island didn't they?

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as in chose one

ember rune
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anyone have weapon storeroom key from shield of arrav quest?

minor whale
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Oh woops

obsidian ironBOT
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Shield of Arrav / Heroes Quest

If you are looking for a partner for the Shield of Arrav or Heroes' Quest, join the chat channel osrs soa and they can assist you there.

minor whale
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Join there and ask, if they can't help you join DeliverItems fc and ask in there

subtle merlin
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really want a smash jar for butterfly jars when used...

compact flicker
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Butterflies and moths are already such a huge convenience early on, that'll be a bit too nice

weary copper
manic star
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I would love a Poh instance fix in the near future 🙏🙏

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It’s all bugged for visitors rn

warm epoch
manic star
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creator of the poh instance is fine, but all visitors of instance will be in bugged state

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but only with certain POHs that have several high demand animations plots/builds

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Been in the game for awhile, but im hoping it gets fixed soon since some POH work is already being done 😄

warm epoch
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have you got a screenshot?

manic star
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I mean i need a participant

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but yeah i can show it, it occurs on mobile and official client

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i submitted an in game bug report for it already but havent heard anything about it

manic star
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I beg in 1 year sub 🙏 🥺

gritty frigate
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Jagex updates prices

Next update is some minor changes that an intern could do

Nothing for a week
???

Next update is servers going down

Wow amazing, membership prices increases definitely giving good value for money wow

restive storm
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content drought is insane

drifting valley
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Did u buy a bond yet

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And where the hell is that elemental robe set proposal at

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Tryna get some cash around here

restive storm
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have not bought any bonds yet no

drifting valley
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Im gona buy one in 6 days

restive storm
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why would i? nothings changed lol

drifting valley
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Well i was thinking the withdrawls would have kicked in by now

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But i guess not

restive storm
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withdrawals from what?

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bankstanding? lol

drifting valley
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Well i guess if u arent doing anything besides pvp then that makes sense lol

restive storm
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pretty much at this point, i maxed 2 accounts waiting for jagex to make pvp updates

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and they werent able to manage it in that time so just kinda bored now lol

drifting valley
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Max cape on two accs?

restive storm
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max cape on one - 2nd accounts a pure

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but also maxed

drifting valley
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Looks like you play quite a bit then..

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Ull be back...

restive storm
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i did for sure

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but that was waiting on updates, now not really any reason to go back since theyre maxed

drifting valley
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You are a seasonal player now then i guess

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You play update to update

restive storm
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basically dmm to dmm lol

drifting valley
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Seen some new vids on pvp popping up on utube

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One of em made just today i think

restive storm
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i aint watched an osrs pvp video in like 6 months lol

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theyre all the same

drifting valley
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The vids were just people talking about pvp and why its dead (a rant video) sort of

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Framed made one month back or so and today kribus made one

restive storm
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oh yeah that i watched, i thought u meant like pvp content

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the framed one was prob the last osrs video ive even seen

drifting valley
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And since sailing is out and myrqque quest line is done and raids 4 is out this year...safe to say a pvp update coming next year and will be proposed in the upcoming runefest stream

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And if not then we can close off wildy

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And throw away the key

drifting valley
restive storm
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thats basically where we've been at for the last like 4 years

drifting valley
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They werr busy with varlamore part 17 etc lol

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They really gons be starting fresh after raids 4

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Blank page

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So pvp should come up

restive storm
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isnt the raid slated for the end of the yaer? lol

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thats another like 7-8 months of no content

drifting valley
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This year yes and runefest proposes stuff for next yesr

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Thats why i say pvp has a huge chance

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To get something

restive storm
drifting valley
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If they dont do pvp for 2027 then wildy is literal over with

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Just close up shop

restive storm
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the same held true for the last 4 years like i been saying lol

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which is why nobody is pking atm

drifting valley
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Some guy in comment section said he hates getting pked for his spade

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Thats pretty much the thought on 90% peoples mind

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When it comes to wildy

restive storm
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ehh, thats their own + jagex fault tbh

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they quite literally asked for it lol

drifting valley
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As a dude whos not a pker the only reason id go into wildy is for a reward...either a boss or some item which holds insane value for pvm etc

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Otherwise we dont really need to enter wildy

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We got no high risk high reward

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We only got risk

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Since they fucked the rev caves its been gg

restive storm
drifting valley
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If you need a hoard of roaches in a kitchen (roaches being players and kitchen being the wildy) you need to throw out food

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But we dont find food there so we at the neighbours house instead

restive storm
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yep, but thats only part of the problem

drifting valley
#

People hate doing clues in wildy too

restive storm
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i mean thats just them being lazy lol

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theres nothing wrong w/ wildy clues

drifting valley
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Just cuz the reward isnt up there with the annoying chance of getting pked...thats why ppl hate em...but if wildy related clues gave alot of reward then people would be excited for em

restive storm
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theres no reward cuz every1 spams the living heck outta clue scrolls

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and all the rewards are junk anyway lol

oblique mesa
drifting valley
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Its just that jagex does the opposite...stuff in wildy should be better than stuff on main game cuz of the risk factor with raids being the exception

oblique mesa
#

Wilderness clues take 1 effort instead of the 0 that clues do normally

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Flip side it is hilarious to PK people in graceful doing a clue in deep wildy

restive storm
#

yea, theyre honestly some of the easier clue steps lol

drifting valley
restive storm
#

they take like 5 seconds to do

oblique mesa
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Yeah the only real annoying one is at chaos altar, the wildy agility ones might have been but they took them out of the arena

restive storm
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even chaos altar not that bad now that u can just use the scroll so u dont get spam teled around

drifting valley
#

They just need to add a hotspot for insane money making potential....we should br able to make 8m an hr in wildy or 10m an hr even

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Then people from all walks of life...all type of acc builds will come

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Sure there will be risk but reward to match!

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Do i bank with my 5m bag or do i stay

restive storm
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yea but do you make it singles or multi?

drifting valley
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Very easy tbh lmao ive already thought of it

restive storm
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so theres never any reason to stay and risk

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just due to teleport inflation

drifting valley
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You can make the boss singles and have path ways that lead to multi based on the door you enter

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Each door can be random

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Or if u solve a puzzle which takes time u are in singles forsure

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Its such a neat idea and i just thought of it

restive storm
#

solving a puzzle?

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while someone + a boss are hitting u? lol

drifting valley
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Nono hear me out

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Boss lair is safe 100%...when u leave lair you get diff paths (these paths are all singles) some of em lead to multi areas and some into single areas some into safe areas

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If u spend time solving a puzzle u can get led to a safe area 100%

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Upon completion

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Or if u dont wana spend time solving a puzzle u can do a random door and just gamble

restive storm
#

i mean "solving a puzzle" is just gonna instantly be done by either 1. bots or 2. a 3rd party client lol

drifting valley
#

Puzzle can be something like a barrows door puzzle but longer to solve ofc

restive storm
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so you cant leave much loot at the boss

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cuz anyone with a quarter of a brain is just gonna leave in singles, and if anyone attacks them just freeze and log out

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and essentially free farm 8-10m/h lol

drifting valley
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The answer to the puzzle isnt the point..its how long it takes to do it

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It gives chance to a pker to catch ppl with bags

restive storm
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but you're in a safe zone solving it lol

drifting valley
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No its singles

restive storm
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oh i see

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ehh

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i think the problems that singles rn may as well not even be the wildy

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cuz its so safe

drifting valley
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Path ways with door always single but the outside spawns u into multi singles or safe

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If a player does the puzzle he gets into safe area spawn

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As he opens door

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If not the player gambles and may get spawned in multi zone

restive storm
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just seems way too "safe"

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then you'd never be able to put good loot at it

hard axle
restive storm
#

2028 dmm here i come

hard axle
#

It’s like people don’t even want to play osrs, but just want to ride the “I play a grindy game” ancestralhmm

restive storm
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id unironically play an older version of the game if it was a jagex version

drifting valley
restive storm
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like 2004/2007 etc

drifting valley
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If a pker is already on u then u dont do puzzle u just go through door

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(Prob die)

restive storm
#

hop worlds and then do the puzzle lol

drifting valley
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Pker can frz too

restive storm
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yeah but you just wait

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until the correct time on their freeze

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then u log out

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this happens everywhere in the wildy like 99% of encounters rn lol

drifting valley
#

People killing the boss wont be bringing a mage swap though otherwise you risk losing it

restive storm
drifting valley
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And have less supps

restive storm
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youd be trolling not to

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people already do this all the time at the singles variants lol

drifting valley
#

Easy fix can be that you cant use the exit door in combat

restive storm
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you're not in combat, you're out of combat because youre logging out

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barrage is like 18 seconds long lol

drifting valley
#

Well if both the pker and pvmer have barrage then its fair game

restive storm
#

right, thats the way it is rn, and why im saying that with your idea, theyd never be able to put decent gp at the boss

drifting valley
#

If a person escapes then the pker failed i guess thats how it is lol

restive storm
#

because of how proficient bots are at freeze logging lol

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so theyd go through all this trouble then make the boss drop like 1m/h lol

drifting valley
restive storm
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these are the core reasons why theres no wildy updates

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cuz jagex doesnt know how to solve them, and they nowadays refuse to tell the noobs to just not go there if they dont wanna deal with it

drifting valley
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Where people will have locked down worlds you will have wars and chaos from others and thats what everyone wants

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Blood shed everywhere

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A hotzone

restive storm
drifting valley
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They have to or close down wildy

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What can i say lol

restive storm
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naw i hear ya man

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thats the point im at

drifting valley
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The only and best way is to have a cash cow in deep wildy with some clans controlling (locking down worlds) where people will have huge clan battles as some noobs just try and slip away without being nuked by barrages and hippie rangers

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Thats the whole point of wildy

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Risk and reward

restive storm
#

yeah agreed, and people also love to act like back when revs was release "every world was locked down" which was absolutely not the case, and they also fail to realize we now have like 2x as many worlds as we did back then lol

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so idk what jagex is so scared of

drifting valley
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Only some were locked down...not even many ether lmao

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I was doin revs alot

obsidian venture
restive storm
drifting valley
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Aswell as pking some rev pvmers

restive storm
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and watch how they react

drifting valley
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Alot of pvmers were at rev caves too for the free bags

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It was such good gp

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Whenever a huge war would happen on locked down worlds id go there and pick up all sorts of loot on the ground

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The warzones were fantastic

restive storm
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the good old days, and i was mostly a singles pker

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but that was fun enough that after singles trips id go there with friends

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i'd never consider doing the same at liike multi bosses, or rogues castle lol

drifting valley
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Thats the point and we will only ever get that back is if they make a 8m to 10m an hr cash cow in deep wildy

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Cuz we got bosses that do that already in safe areas outside wildy

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So we need a boss thats easy to farm

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With a huge payout

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We want bags in rags

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And ofc pkers can profit too from killing the noobies with rags and bags

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Nobody tryna make 3m an hr in wildy

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That shit needs to stay hidden

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peoples time is very valuable ...most ppl in they 30s with little to no hair on their dome

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We ant tryna enter wildy for 4m an hr and get pked

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Its not worth the risk and worse its not worth the time invested

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We tryna inject our banks with cash and we need a damn good reason to enter wildy to do that

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Devs are hella doin that outside of wildy though ngl

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The 34 yr old bald ppl really eating good outside wildy

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So they gona have to come up with some dank shit IN wildy

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And a good start is releasing a elemental robe set from raids 4 and making a cash cow in wildy thats weak to elementals

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And im not just saying that cuz i invested in harm orbs

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(I am)

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Still a damn good idea cuz pvmers wont have barrages

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And risk of runes

gritty frigate
# restive storm its basically been the same thing for the last 5 months now lol

I don't get it, why were we getting multiple quests and updates in 2007 every month, compared to not much now

e.g scroll down to March, https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/2007

They added Dorgesh kaan, burgh de rott ramble, great brain robbery, what lies below and the fishing trawler

Old School RuneScape Wiki
2007

The following is a list of updates and events that happened in RuneScape prior to the 10 August 2007 Archive of RuneScape.
Note: Titles in bold indicate a game update.

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or a better comparison is February:
Tower of life, sq'irk, fremmy isles

Compared to this february just past:
Cow boss/cow milk quest

tacit pendant
#

I think a lot is going into leagues right this moment

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They gotta like balance, route plan and ensure nobody gets themselves into having a bad time. QC relics and bug fix new items etc. Just this one league probably takes more brain power than those areas that didnt even really have a ton going on

gritty frigate
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Yea from a business point of view that makes sense, temp game modes drive subscriptions, they want to work on whats most profitable (though I do love leagues so im part of the problem

tacit pendant
#

But also. We cant add a city to old school every month

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And dorgesh kaan for example is just straight up dead content

gritty frigate
#

Just rose tinted glasses that runescape had big content coming out every month back in its early years

tacit pendant
#

Zeah was a big area expansion that didnt focus on quality or actual things to do and the backlash shaped where we are today

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(almost) Every update has a lot more thought going in on how it will be more future proofed these days

ashen yarrow
#

people also ignoring that a lot of recent work has been towards new players, like just recently they did full level-up and skill guide rework to make it easier for new players

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old players do not see the new player changes because they wanted to always have old settings by default and do not interact with low level stuff

meager flame
#

Ngl I’m like low key scared for this weeks update lol

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I think it would be sailing combat fixes and people are already mad lmao I swear if it goes wrong somehow it won’t look good

tacit wharf
#

people just like to complain

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then when real things come about that are worthy to complain about, it falls on deaf ears

meager flame
#

They were rage down voting server maintenance lol

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Today

tacit wharf
#

point exactly

meager flame
#

Imagine a real update is a miss right now

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But also

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Imagine we don’t get an update and what people will say about paying more for nothing

#

Lmao they’re so screwed it’s kind of funny but it’s sad because

tacit wharf
meager flame
#

The people that are actually going to get roasted aren’t the people that raised prices

tacit pendant
#

I just want water slayer to be better xp than salvaging i swear

#

I know that it is, but man it still feels like such a slog and a money dump for little in return for my efforts

meager flame
#

Idk what the scope is for their combat update tbh

austere mulch
#

especially if its something minor or otherwise not impactful

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or attempted to be impactful but goes wrong like you said

meager flame
#

Like idk if they’re going to just have mechanical changes and everything else stays exactly the same or if they’re just gonna get into it with all the npcs and tasks etc

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Because we sorta know some of it since we voted on it but also

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Game balance is an integrity thing too so they can just do things

odd basalt
#

bruh even if jagex didn't directly raise prices or if they did but it wasn't their idea, they still pissed everybody and their dogs off. rs is more expensive than wow if you think about it, rs allows one character per membership, wow lets you have a ton of characters, so you pay the membership multiplicatively of how many characters you have... it adds up, if jagex were to allow people to have all characters on their jagex account be members on one subscription, this wouldn't be an issue

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but, they will never do that, because a large deal of the revenue comes from those guys, thus they could never live up to that principle, it's not about adding value, it's about extracting it

tacit pendant
tacit pendant
odd basalt
meager flame
#

Jagex should just make the effort of offering value for more money instead of hitting us with more cost for the same or less

#

That’s why people are mad at them

odd basalt
tacit pendant
#

I agree to an extent. You dont need alts in this game to matchmake with other players who need X role for their team comp

meager flame
#

Like I don’t personally care about rs3 benefits right because I don’t play it however

tacit pendant
#

If they were paying the devs more and promising that id be ok with the increase but we couldnt even get that

odd basalt
#

rs3 is dead, and eoc killed it, just look at the population on it

tacit pendant
#

The way they justified it was honestly a load of disrespectful crap

odd basalt
#

below 20k

meager flame
#

They sent me an email confirming my 12 month sub was losing value because they were removing rs3 perks associated with it then not 3 weeks later

#

Raised prices talking about its value being great

#

They couldn’t be more obviously two faced about it if they tried

odd basalt
#

ain't that funny

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hey we are removing value, so heres a price increase XD poor timing

tacit pendant
#

People just going to cancel their alts and bottom line wont even go up + marketing cant boast 200k active players

meager flame
#

They also don’t understand their own players

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You need alts in osrs and rs3 to experience the full game

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You can’t get the whole experience with one account

#

That’s what happens when you have modes

tacit pendant
#

Ehhh, pvp is pretty much it

meager flame
#

No

odd basalt
#

oh yeah for sure, the alts can stay deactivated and nonmember until if the price becomes more fair with what people are willing to pay (or all chars on a jagex account get members on one sub)

tacit pendant
#

My iron really feels like a main with more farming lol

meager flame
#

Iron and main and hardcore and uim are not the same

tacit pendant
#

They arent, but its through the decisions your encouraged to make. Not the content you can or cant access.

odd basalt
#

i still remember when jagex froze the vote for osrs because it was getting too close to osrs being free entirely as a legacy server

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peperage farms remembers

meager flame
#

That’s just making a distinction that means nothing though they’re just wildly different experiences

#

They should do more for people playing more than one mode

odd basalt
#

they should, but it's not as profitable

#

shareholders said no

meager flame
#

But that would mean asking for more money and actually giving you something for it instead of just

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Raising the price so you can have less than you did last month

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Which they did here

odd basalt
#

if they were to allow all characters on a jagex account to be members, i'd say thats worth the sub being raised as high as $15 a month on the 12 month version

#

but even then, they'd lose alot of money

meager flame
#

It probably wouldn’t be all of them

odd basalt
#

there are ALOT of alt people

tacit pendant
meager flame
#

They should just be offering ways to have like two accounts

tacit pendant
#

Im just dropping the iron indefinitely, not super heartbroken but its annoying

meager flame
#

Etc

odd basalt
#

all i can say on that is, watch the stock price for the next quarter, if you see a crash, the reason is because people are canselling alt subs in protest

meager flame
#

Like the 12 month people giving you security as a company for 12 months

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They should probably get 2

tacit pendant
#

Im not even "protesting" its just straight up not worth

ashen yarrow
meager flame
#

Jagex should be making that decision because it’s smart

odd basalt
#

osrs runs primarilly on good will, people are willing to give more money for alts because they love the game, step on the good will and the money stops flowing

meager flame
#

If 12 month was actually good more people would pay it yearly instead of subbing off and on

#

I know they’re hoping people just forget and pay monthly all year

odd basalt
#

legit, you can match wow sub prices if you provide that perk

meager flame
#

The games are too different

#

The first thing they would do if they did that is remove your ability to multilog

odd basalt
#

they are, but this is a nitche preference for those who do not like wow

tacit pendant
#

Yeah i dont love bringing WOW into the equation

#

Its got retail and expansion prices AND mtx

meager flame
#

Tbf jagex did it to themselves

#

There’s reasons we shouldn’t get 60 character slots but

odd basalt
#

i use it as a metric because its the largest one, so one would assume you get the most value for the sub price

meager flame
#

Tbh blizzard does just give you a better value

#

Jagex should not have asked for the comparison

#

They definitely gassed themselves up way too much in that blog

ashen yarrow
#

blizzard also forces you to play multiple characters with separated classes and time gated content per character. But since they compared prices with industry standard that gives people easy targets by only selecting certain parts

meager flame
#

The main problem is that while I prefer osrs gameplay wise

#

Jagex is basically an indie studio in comparison

tacit wharf
meager flame
#

They so much smaller way less successful way worse at monetizing people etc

#

Like they’re really not in a situation to want the comparison

odd basalt
meager flame
#

Relative to blizzard they are

ashen yarrow
#

osrs has been staying away from the monetization so long that they had to do 2 large discount cuts on 12month premier scronglypirate

tacit pendant
#

Blizzard is absolutely much larger and has other games to lean on if they want to run Wow at a loss for a few months they certainly could

odd basalt
tacit pendant
#

But again. $30 mounts, transmogs, etc

#

We dont really want that model here trust

meager flame
#

They just don’t have half the juice behind their decisions like lol

odd basalt
#

we had it, in rs3, they axed it cuz the game is dead and it made little if any money anyway

meager flame
#

Activision blizzard and onto Microsoft probably employs more people to figure out how to make money long term

#

Than jagex has employees

odd basalt
#

an attempt at good will before raising the price of membership a second time in 1 year

#

ultimatly, the raise of price makes more money than what little people actually bought in rs3 mtx

tacit pendant
#

Honestly i just wish theyd be real with us lol. Jagex has a playerbase of mostly 30 year olds. Give us real world justification, dont gaslight us about how much more content were getting. Quality control been dogshit for the last 2 years

meager flame
#

Yeah tbh I’ve been robbed irl and it was less weird

odd basalt
#

honesty is best policy indeed, we are all adults here, quite litterally

meager flame
#

I don’t need the fake friendly thing where they pretend they’re offering this great value so I should pay more

tacit pendant
#

Lean in on the hey were a democratic game where players voices matter and fuckin tell us the bot busting is hurting, moving to new server infrastructure and expansing internationally is expensive, idk

#

Tell us were paying for rs3's sins idc

meager flame
#

I think the big problem is when they try to justify it with anything

#

Because then players will correctly say

#

Hey I noticed there aren’t many updates this year and you cancelled zanaris and your plugin hub

#

Also several jmods quit recently

#

What are we paying for

tacit pendant
#

Yeah

#

Where HD lmao

restive storm
tacit pendant
#

Why boat look like this

Screenshot_20260316_153605.jpg
odd basalt
#

most bots run on bonds, which makes their price go up due to demand, if you have watched, bond prices are quite low compared to before, it was 14.5m not long ago but after the big bot burst it was like 12m or so, and right now with the dollar price increase, a bond is now worth 13.7m

tacit pendant
#

Why does sailing look like sinking on mobile

meager flame
#

They should’ve just said we want more money straight up lol

restive storm
odd basalt
#

this speaks directly to just how many bonds were used by bots, less value for bonds, less people buy em, ik i'm not going to buy any more bonds due to this lol

ashen yarrow
#

a lot of players "boycotting" membership changes by buying years worth of bonds from ge instead kekw

odd basalt
meager flame
#

I do wonder what jagex would do if a lot of us went hard on bonds

restive storm
meager flame
#

Like what if I just bought billions in bonds they’d probably be happy for a couple months

#

But what happens when we aren’t buying bonds or membership for years after

#

Would definitely trap them in their mentality that they need to be increasing profits forever

odd basalt
#

easy, we make the line go down

#

companies think when the line goes down

#

there is value longterm in respecting the playerbase, rs3 is what happens when you get greedy short term

meager flame
#

Realistically there probably aren’t enough players that can do that but

#

It would be interesting to see what they would do if enough people could

#

Since they’d end up with like quarters or years even where it looked like a massive sinking ship

#

After the one where we bought a huge supply of membership lol

odd basalt
#

20 years i've been around the rs community, if people like us leave, or simply just spend less and refuse to go above that one sub at all, the line goes down for sure, not alot of youngins on osrs

austere mulch
meager flame
#

Yeah they just want you to

#

Man this is disgusting

#

Use the sailing ui to shoot multiple targets

#

It’s like the only interface other than just moving the ship where they can do anything

odd basalt
#

ikr it's great, i just don't like that you can shoot the cannon at impossible angles to hit one thing with both sides

#

it's illogical and thus shouldn't be possible

meager flame
#

I think the gameplay of it will be trash but they could do unique things like

restive storm
#

i mean if we wanted to go over all the shortcomings of sailing we'd be here for the next two years lol

tacit pendant
#

Overheads are like, the core RPS that pvm sits on

restive storm
#

What im more concerned about is they havent fixed like a single thing with it yet after like 5 months lmao

meager flame
#

Imagine you’re killing the boss and they have things chasing your ship that explode on impact so you use the cannons independently with the ui to keep shooting them all before they get to you

austere mulch
#

sailing UI has got to be one of my biggest complaints ngl

tacit pendant
odd basalt
austere mulch
#

it works well for salvaging

meager flame
#

While you sail around and hit the boss with your character

austere mulch
#

but its god awful for combat

restive storm
meager flame
#

They could totally make that a boss but lol

#

It would be a lot of interface fighting with those cannons

odd basalt
#

i like sailing, but i want the big boats

austere mulch
tacit pendant
#

Just let me pray ranged and mage and dodge the big wave attack every now and then and atleast were at like vorkath tier.

restive storm
#

at first i thought sailing released so poorly cuz they had people working on other stuff... now im just lost as to why it was so bad lol

meager flame
#

Ya the sailing ui gives me like

#

Second hand anxiety I want to fix it for them

#

It’s so bad I can’t take it if I think about it lmao

restive storm
#

the movement was the downfall of it for me, at least they FINALLY fixed salvaging to where you didnt have to move

austere mulch
#

i think as a whole saling is a great technical feat/accomplishment for the team but its just got so many challenges that came along with it

restive storm
#

cant even imagine how bad it woulda been if they didnt add more double spots + decrease downtime

meager flame
#

There’s so many things like why aren’t your cannons right click options too to make the gameplay smoother

#

Why is there a fucking scroll bar

#

Etc

restive storm
#

y is the only rewards from courier tasks 1gp/xp + 5000 shark paint? lmao

#

like that was just the laziest part i even saw of sailing

#

like straight up "we didnt even bother to try" lol

meager flame
#

Like do you know how much better targeting with two cannons and your player would feel

#

If you could right click mark things for each cannon

austere mulch
meager flame
#

Instead of turning the eyes on and off

austere mulch
#

menu based targeting on the npcs would be soooo nice with MES

meager flame
#

Yeah it would be insane it would be like leaving the Stone Age lol

tacit pendant
#

Menu as in, in the sailing interface, or right click?

austere mulch
#

right click

#

Attack
Attack Cannon(R)
Attack Cannon(L)

tacit pendant
#

Alright im in

#

But only if boats and pures get chivalry

austere mulch
#

granted, i think if they make it so cannons only attempt to change targets on npcs that are within their LOS, you can just have attack and attack cannon as the top options

tacit pendant
#

Honestly idt auto changing targets is necessarily good, i guess as an option its ok

#

But not the only option. Content that punishes you for hitting wrong things could potentially be a thing ie nylos

#

Fuck my ranged cannon auto targeted the swimming blue nylo

tacit pendant
#

Unrelated but can we unfuck co-op sailing a little and stop letting fear of boosting kill the multiplayer part of this game now that the front page is locked in. Surely letting a noob friend cosplay as a crewmate on my better boat shouldnt be bis but it would be fun if it was like any level of possible

ashen yarrow
#

if they code it to give 0xp and no items then all the players wanting to abuse it would stop requesting it, but that would mean there is also no reason to do anything on someone else's boat either

#

the main reason people wanted it was so they could boost sailing xp, trimming best sail was like 15k xp/h kekw

wet smelt
#

Crazy how the only change I experienced from the whistle getting infinite charges is me not using it because charges are now 700gp each

#

Went from about 150ish to 650+ in a few days

meager flame
#

like

#

it would be automatic if you didn't tell it to attack something specific is what im assuming you mean

#

it should probably stay manual just so it can actually be the player skill part of sailing combat

#

would be like if we could swap our prayers but if you got hit while not doing anything your prayers automatically turned on

wet smelt
#

I don’t think tedium is skill

meager flame
#

they sorta boxed themselves in with sailing because there are only two total ways you can have skill expression with sailing

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and thats sailing the boat and targeting

wet smelt
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I don’t think everything needs skill expression

meager flame
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yeah but combat does

wet smelt
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Boat combat in most games is literally, get next to them and dps

meager flame
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yeah that would be tragic

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hopefully they never do that to this game

spiral aurora
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Just add facilities that give functions. Activate Shields or summin

ashen yarrow
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and upgrading boat defences is not allowed since that would be too logical, has to be able to be done without dragon tier boats

meager flame
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tbf boat food is like

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an atrocity

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lmao it is so terrible in terms of the time it takes to actually create it/its cost so combat where you just sit there clicking repairs all the time on your ship will probably never be met with positivity

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its also fundamentally broken because jagex is silly

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you can stack an absolutely crazy amount of repair kits in your hold

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tbh they did a pretty great job of making sure it has no future without additional future work

tacit pendant
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Bottomless milk bucket has a bunch of caveats to keep inferno solid. But 200 boat food in tow is fine

ashen yarrow
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The part i dont get is why they added rng lottery system for player dmg on sea monsters

tacit pendant
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Just dont let us put repair kits in hulls at all and buff em, gimme prayers

meager flame
ashen yarrow
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players have 1% chance to deal normal hit damage to sea creatures scronglypirate

meager flame
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they basically had this idea that like

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you'd lose your footing trying to fight on your boat and do less damage

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and then that was the head canon but they didn't put any explanation in the game

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so people just sat there confused lol

ashen yarrow
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rolled 1 =100% Damage
rolled 2-5 = 50% Damage
rolled 6-60 = 25% Damage
rolled 61-90 = 20% Damage
rolled 91-100 =10% Damage

tacit pendant
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Cant even say water softens projectiles cuz fuckin seagulls are tanking my shadow

meager flame
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i honestly feel like i just don't really agree with anything that happened with sailing combat lol

ashen yarrow
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before the player hit calculation was known people though it was bug when shadow was randomly hitting 80s

meager flame
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idk what happened because its not like im just weird and everyone loves it

austere mulch
meager flame
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the cannons attacking whatever you attack normally is interesting because like

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that's basically sailing auto retaliate where good players are probably gonna turn that shit off immediately as soon as the content matters

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because you'll probably be asked to hit different targets at the same time since its kinda one of the only things jagex could do to make it interesting

austere mulch
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Yeah functionally that wouldn’t change, just that if you attack something out of one cannon’s los, it’ll continue doing what it’s doing (attacking or idle) vs trying to target something that it can’t

meager flame
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yeah thats probably fine

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actually there is one thing

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it might get awkward if for some reason you needed to tell that cannon to stop doing things

austere mulch
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Yeah that’s true

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Back to the UI to kick buddy off the cannon 💀🥴

meager flame
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yeah pretty much lol

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i guess you could change the right click options from attack to say mark

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and then just unmark being available if you right click that target again

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tbh the way they built sailing to work currently feels like

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it would be way better with keybinds lol

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where the stuff we're talking about works more smoothly with a game where we're just clicking everything

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and regular osrs doesn't have the same type of situation because we only really manage attacking things as one entity

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but when you start trying to attack like say 3 different things and make targeting decisions for them all you start wanting stuff like adding the other cannons to right click menus etc

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so it isn't so clunky

thorny fossil
# meager flame they were just wilding its the only way to describe it

They wanted cannons to be useful. It's not hard to see why they did it. People just over negative reacted because "waaah, I can't oneshot shit! This is dumb!"
It's entitled as fuck.

Jagex took the feedback that it was not received well and will figure something out. Honestly, I think they could find a happy medium.

Double everything's HP, double cannon damage, double the damage brackets. This makes cannons deal the same ratio of damage as now, and makes players deal the same ratio. Nothing has changed.
Now, every time you fire a cannon and hit an enemy, the player damage bracket shifts, the player will deal more damage more often. You can tie in the type of cannon ball to how much it shifts. Say, dragon cannonballs shift the 100% from a 1% chance to a 25% chance.
This heavily incentivizes shooting your cannon if you want to also wail on things with your shadow/bowfa.

meager flame
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except last we heard they were thinking about making cannons slower and just letting us do normal damage

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we'll just have to see what they do though

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lol people weren't entitled though ship combat is just terrible

kind surge
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ship combat is terrible, let's not lie

meager flame
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its pretty unfortunate that they just completely tuned out the beta feedback because its not like people didn't let them know

tacit wharf
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ship combat needed adjustments, it wasnt "bad"

meager flame
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i think the only cope we had that turned out to be false was just that basically maybe they'd have a bunch of facilities and new cannon types etc

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that we didnt know about and thus it would be different

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turned out that no they actually just had nothing and we tested the entire system

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also no i think its legitimately just bad even if you magically solved all of the like

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cannonball economy problems right and that was a nonfactor

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you're still left with kind of nothing interesting in the current environment

tacit wharf
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because, yet again, its barebones

meager flame
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maybe if they had released sailing only npcs that did things that would make your cannon targeting and ship movement legitmately interesting and part of the loop it would be different

tacit wharf
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like it should be on release

meager flame
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but they didn't

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so like yeah its kinda hard to say this isn't terrible

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maybe currently terrible with an outside chance of one day not being that

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is the best way to say it

tacit wharf
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im not saying it doesnt need adjustments, but to down right say its terrible isnt a good way to go about it

meager flame
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i mean it doesn't sound nice but its honest

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just based on how they talked about it i kind of think the devs wound themselves up into trying to be too basic to the point that they came across as boring

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like they really wanted it to be killing cows in lumby and honestly

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mission accomplished but nobody wants to go kill cows in lumby

restive storm
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It’s terrible and has been since the beta, how they released it in that state is beyond me

meager flame
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im just confused how it got to where it was

austere mulch
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its terrible, not irredeemable

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but its undoubtedly terrible

meager flame
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if i were them i would've been really excited to make npcs that were different because ships are different

austere mulch
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the single interesting component of sailing combat is that you can play with cannon aggression, but even the way you manage that aspect of it is awful in current state

meager flame
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like vampire kraken they could've been like

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kraken that released some kind of blood/ink type of stuff that would damage you that would move away and kind of lead you along dodging the stuff they were leaving behind

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while you killed them

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but instead lol

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we all see what it is

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they should just play to the strengths of sailing basically

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make shooting multiple things interesting because we can do that on a ship and that's different

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sailing movement is cool so make us move the ship while we fight stuff

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etc

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i also think that healing/repairing your ship is in a pretty bad spot

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im not sure that will ever be interesting given that you can basically bring a lifetime supply of healing items

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they might have to make bosses a pursuit style thing where if you fail too much the boss escapes or something along those lines

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just because i have no idea how you make taking damage normally interesting now

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i guess they could just revert to attacking the player and just not even hit your ship lol

true talon
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unless they make you need to eat repair kits to heal on the boat XD

meager flame
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ya the problem is that its honestly kind of broken

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they basically said what if you could carry 200 shark

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lol and sure some content would still be hard but they really took out a lot of space and arrived at pass/fail type of mechanics where if you dont do well

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you're essentially expected to die on the spot

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because damage less than that is now irrelevant

true talon
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they could have monsters attack your player, but also have specials that can damage your boat or need to be dodged.

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so you need boat food to survive that

languid ravine
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both is cool

true talon
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but standardcombat will be just hittingyour player, like a slayer monster

warm storm
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can't wait for the content with a hard req of dragon keel for the DR

languid ravine
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reminds me of games with mounted combat, whole strategies about whether to attack the player or horse

meager flame
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yeah the issue is that there really is no point in putting pressure on the boat hp due to the sheer amount of healing

languid ravine
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ship pvp when?

warm storm
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frost dragons yippeee

true talon
meager flame
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they'd have to drop a tactical nuke on your boat basically to threaten it

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i guess they could just go completely crazy with chip damage too

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and make you just like

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stand there using boat repair kits at all times

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while you do stuff lmao

true talon
warm storm
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jagex if ur listening pls increase frost dragon task weight

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my children are starving

meager flame
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they can carry literally hundreds of repair kits so its not like idk

true talon
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obviously if they did that, then the repair mechanic should be done by crew not the player

meager flame
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you're not worried about failing

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you might be annoyed that you're "wasting" the kits because that's your time invested in getting them

warm storm
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i feel like the easy solution to this problem is "waterlogging" your boat storage or smth for boss arenas

true talon
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ehhh just have the damage be dodgable an its fine

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if its boat chip damage thats ass

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but if its dodgeable specials then you have food to recover its fine

meager flame
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but its not like when you mess up and drink 2 brews while somehow not dying and now you've actually gotten yourself into a situation with your healing in a raid or whatever

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because there is no inventory pressure like that when you're on a boat

true talon
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but i think that normal ship combat should just be monsters attacking your player

chrome lantern
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“What if we tried to recreate the two awful systems of hunting an imbued heart and grinding Yama purifying sigil contracts”

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Wake up, Mod Husky, it doesn’t make you a “gigachad ironman” to design a bad system and defend it

meager flame
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i do think they failed at the "is this even fun or worth the time" step in the logic with like

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all of sailing

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well

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i shouldn't say all of sailing

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i think leveling sailing and the options you get for trials and salvage are both pretty generous and respect people's time and effort

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the drop rates that weren't bugged though were basically all done poorly

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i think the problems basically enter as soon as you talk about any sailing related rate that isn't exp

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hopefully they learned in the future that if rates are going to be a little bit bad to very bad that at least hopefully the content you get stuck at when experiencing them should be more than like afk salvaging for a dragon cannon barrel or afk killing npcs that do nothing back

ember token
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kinda crazy that we just lucked into not having absurd drop rates from the sailing monsters

still sundial
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think it was just the albatross feathers drop rates that were bugged (into being reasonable) right?

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maybe ray barbs?

lunar blade
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I hate sea combat HonestReaction

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Avoiding it like the plague

pliant otter
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when is the sea combat update coming?

rustic idol
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we meet again

ashen yarrow
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over half the uniques from sea creatures were supposed to be 8 times more rare, i think only narwhal horn and broken dragon hook were correct rates

still sundial
ashen yarrow
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great white sharks also had a bug on drop table which caused to never roll the dragon sheet drop table

pliant otter
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im at 3k great whites 0 hooks im sad

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has to be bugged

minor whale
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I think this is just the first pass of combat changes

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It's just adding cannonball saving and making cannons slower but hit harder

ashen yarrow
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making it consume less cannonballs without reducing dps would be very nice for ironman since people always complain about not having enough adamant+ cannonballs and mithril is way too low dps/accuracy for highest tier sea creatures

rustic idol
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why is update on tues instead of wednesday this week?

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maintenance*

frozen lion
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Yes

remote tulip
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how much it will take time?

minor whale
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Maintenance is on Tuesdays generally, updates on Wednesdays

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brazen tundra
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feral dust
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Lol

quartz anchor
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Where you getting that number

brazen tundra
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my bad 5 more uk minutes

quartz anchor
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I zee

lusty tulip
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it'll be done now in a minute

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tight eagle
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Servers up!

lusty tulip
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brazen tundra
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lusty tulip
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brazen tundra
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