game-update

[errant cave]

So uh, we ever gonna get a solution for having both twisted and wildy poh themes on uim?
(Twisted turns back into blueprints when we change off the theme -1 inv for a theme)

[willow rain]

Bro..
I only remain subbed on iron because effort. Real dopamine.
But you are a psycho

A UIM

[craggy valley]

Anybody else noticed the gwd and poh options in grouping tab? But not in minigame spell? They also don't do anything...

[willow rain]

I gotta hand it to you, thats f**in work

[jagged marsh]

I wouldn't be able to, for example, transfer a grandfathered membership between a main and an iron on the same account, right?

[inland lance]

Should be able to use the blueprint on an estate agent and have the option forever tbh.

[willow rain]

I ran about 400 toa 150-300 for my boy on his uim

[craggy valley]

@jagged marsh nope

[errant cave]

agreed

[inland lance]

Hardly, my UIM is only at like 1780 total level. There are far crazier ones out there lol.

[jagged marsh]

Ballsack

Gimmie a free iron gagek

:(

[errant cave]

Mines currently 1941

[willow rain]

Either way its impressive work.

[jagged marsh]

I want an excuse to wear stupid gear and say I'm an iron

[inland lance]

I've wiped mine about 3 times now too lol.

[errant cave]

So i spooned DWH at 67 kc during bingo, than wiped it in less than 24 hours

[willow rain]

Tbf, I have gray and gim on the same jagex account.
Jagex should offer me to move my main to that account and we can let bygones

[inland lance]

Nooo, that is so horrible.

[willow rain]

Omgg

[errant cave]

Definatly not one of my proudest moments

[willow rain]

I would commit to gray after that

[errant cave]

I have a gray, so uim is locked in

[willow rain]

Yea. Thats what I mean, I'll probably continue on 1 account at a time and monthly. Just pick and choose the content on each account. Its the same game, from a different angle.
And thats the take I believe most content creators have right now as well. I personally know of 23 people right now that canceled atleast 2 accounts each.
I bet that 3$ increase su sucks now.. I mean, they lost almost $50 /mo by trying to get an extra $9.

That is such a small amount.
And there was no warning, no talk about it, nothing.
Shady asf.

[ashen yarrow]

you can sell the wildy poph blueprint back for 100% price but i guess you would have to constantly use twisted version since that cannot be sold back

[errant cave]

I only buy mems on 1 account at a time, it's been my uim, i cba to buy mems on 2 accounts

[errant cave]

The problem i have, is i wanna use my wildy poh, but dont wanna carry around the Twisted

I might just toss twisted

[willow rain]

Im a veteran of the game. I make money on it, its the only form of entertainment I pay for.
Realistically, painting the picture; I could go to the movies and get about 2-3 hrs of entertainment for about $12.
Thats pretty cheap. But osrs membership is cheaper than just about anything else. Including Netflix.
But when compared to many other games offering so many character builds per account, and the same amount of content(or more in some cases), I'd say this causes a drop in their annual revenue.

[gaunt minnow]

you've obviously never played wow or ffxiv then because theyre the games you're referring to

and theyre so so mcuh worse and offer so much less than osrs

[willow rain]

Its a (barely) 3d game that you can play on a browser.

[gaunt minnow]

wow offers 1 expansion which is like 5 bosses every 2 years and that's it

[willow rain]

Lol. Guy.. not even worth the words.

[gaunt minnow]

you have no idea what you're talkig about?

"But when compared to many other games offering so many character builds per account, and the same amount of content(or more in some cases)"

[willow rain]

What year did you start playing rs?

[gaunt minnow]

which games are offering more content

there aren't any

[willow rain]

Yo, if we wanna talk about amount of content versus cost, 4 characters by default per account. Gw2 is free

[gaunt minnow]

GW2

looooooooooooooooooooooooool

[willow rain]

Fkn free

[gaunt minnow]

bro said guild wars 2

🤦‍♂️

[willow rain]

You aware that the criteria for this conversation was set by you, right?

[gaunt minnow]

guild wars 2 hasbeen dying for years

they had to make it f2p becasue no one was playing it

you want this game to be like gw2?

[willow rain]

Absolutely not.

[gaunt minnow]

then what are you saying?

there's no mmo on the market that comes close to what osrs offers

[willow rain]

What year did you start playing rs?

....

[gaunt minnow]

I'm not answering your bait questions taht have no relevant

relevance

[willow rain]

There is relevance

[gaunt minnow]

2004

[willow rain]

2004? Solid thru eoc?

[jagged marsh]

But they still generate more revenue!

[gaunt minnow]

no i quit in eoc

to play wow

[willow rain]

Same. What year did you come back

[gaunt minnow]

the 1st day of osrs release

I'm waiting for where this gacha is going

[willow rain]

I was late to the osrs party. I started in 2002 found the shit on miniclip.
Hooked for life, and have given back to them tenfold the value of the entertainment.
I dont view life like you, I dont see games as just playtime. Its part of a broad market, that despite your opinion, Jagex must compete with.

In regards to content versus cost

[tiny otter]

cute, real cute

[gaunt minnow]

name 1

I'm still waiting for someone to anme an mmo

that gives us mroe content

that osrs

and dont say wow because as a current hall of famer wow is in shambles currently

[willow rain]

You must be confusing time of grind with content. And cost mustn't matter to you.
I sort of doubt you've been a part of the community for so long based on your Gen z speech tbh, but who am I to assume?

[tiny otter]

yet still offers more..especially at the new price point

just because you dont see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist

[gaunt minnow]

wow offers no new content

its reskinned raids

with a few new mechanics

[willow rain]

Wow...

[tiny otter]

ok..you went from more content

to new content

which is it

[gaunt minnow]

wow offers no content

at all

[restive siren]

thats disingenuous as hell, by that logic no osrs boss is new either

i dislike a lot of wow content too but there is a lot of it

[gaunt minnow]

there's a lot of outdated content that nobody does

[gritty frigate]

Increase membership prices, and the update this week feels like an intern could've made it in a few days??? Back in my day jagex were pumping out multiple new quests a month

[gaunt minnow]

all content in osrs is relevant

theres 100x more things to do in this game

wow all you do is level alts and raid log

[willow rain]

I guess you also believe that the cost basis NEEDS to exist for this argument, right?
A lot of the market for entertainment, particularly MMORPG, are a one time cost.

[tiny otter]

notice how you only mentioned retail in your comparison

as a 1:1

[gaunt minnow]

ofc im not talking about classic!

classic is an embarassment

[tiny otter]

do you know what the word "more" means?

do we need to find a dictionary?

[gaunt minnow]

classic you'll unironically have a better time on prvate servers where its f2p

at least private servers get updates

[willow rain]

3500 hrs at max efficiency to max an account in this game.
Tick perfect on everything. A direct, and planned course of action.

[inland lance]

That is not true. Barrows has been outdone by moons, and GWD has been outdone by Yama. Let's not kid ourselves here. Castle wars is irrelevant, hell even BA is irrelevant now due to moons.

But go off.

[tiny otter]

The only justifiable way for the increase would be multiuse accounts

[willow rain]

Yes. Powercreep in osrs is super real.

[gaunt minnow]

we had to beg for years to get classic updates

[tiny otter]

not single

[gaunt minnow]

and all we got

[restive siren]

thats what many raiders do yes but if you chose to engage with all content that is available to you then you dont run out of content for a very long time too

[gaunt minnow]

was season of disvocery

which everyone hated

[tiny otter]

"we"

"everyone"

[willow rain]

"Him"

[gaunt minnow]

clearly you havnt played wow

[tiny otter]

...from runescape to wow in 2007

[willow rain]

Oh god.. sorry. "Him/her"

[tiny otter]

so..no? I've never played wow

[gaunt minnow]

bros trying to argue that wow is better

and hasnt payed it

[inland lance]

This is such bait though lol.

[tiny otter]

..no

[gaunt minnow]

against a hall fo famer

[restive siren]

season of discovery was a failure yes

[tiny otter]

just that it doesnt have less than runescape

[gaunt minnow]

[restive siren]

but there is a different between content you dont like and no content existing

[gaunt minnow]

it's not 'i donit like'

nobody runs old content

[willow rain]

Ritzy whats your irons name. I wanna check hiscores

[restive siren]

you just said everyone just raidlogs thats just blatantly false

[gaunt minnow]

wtf do you think

[tiny otter]

you do know transmog is literally the most integral part of wow that ever released right

[gaunt minnow]

bruh called transmog integral to wow

brb gonna post that in my guild chat

[tiny otter]

but again..you dont do it

so it doesnt exist

[gaunt minnow]

that s crrazzy

u think wow players care about transmog?

[willow rain]

I dont know. Im not going to assume its the same in discord. Lol, I know the power of anon.

[restive siren]

there are a ton of completionist and collection andies, now you have housing, achivement grinds, transmog, farming gold, obviously not to mention keys and pvp

[gaunt minnow]

wow players are begging for content

that isnt transmog

and isnt old raids

litkerally begging

[tiny otter]

at this point ima start begging for your hof name

but I'm sure that got lost in the nether

[gaunt minnow]

look it up

prescential

[willow rain]

People like you are the reason jagex thinks they can stab the rest of their player base.

[ashen yarrow]

People bring up wow account/character system only for the positive parts, they forget if osrs was wow we would need separate characters for mage, ranged, crush, slash, stab and each non combat skill

[tiny otter]

oh look..in the nether

[gaunt minnow]

people forget that wow players are so fed up with blizzard milking them for every penny they have

because thyeve never played it

[fading maple]

Maaaan I was hoping the whistle charges needed were going to get reduced. Its not an insane amount, just dont want to go camp rumours

[willow rain]

Not true.
Most of their revenue is made up of alternate accounts made for a specific reason. Ie main/iron

[tiny otter]

as you defend the jagex milking

ironic

[gaunt minnow]

im not defending jagex milking bro learn some critical thinking

[tiny otter]

death by a thousand milks

[gaunt minnow]

im purely saying osrs has 100x more content than wow

[willow rain]

I played when tbc dropped in the early 2000s. That was a blast.

[gaunt minnow]

and thats a fact

[willow rain]

Now the game sucks

[tacit pendant]

Im not full quitting. But ive commited to only one account moving forward

[gaunt minnow]

im not defending any milking

and if u dont think u

so*

u clealry dont play wow

[willow rain]

And the price increase got me questioning whether or not to pursue content creation using other games im know for.

[tacit pendant]

A lot of players like me will be considering cancelling their alts and just approaching the game different

[gaunt minnow]

bros bringing up classic asif anyone plays that

[willow rain]

Thats a business concept, and thats the conversation people need to be having.
This is entertainment, and nothing more. For anyone.

[ashen yarrow]

account/character systems are completely different in both games, each has positives and negatives. Both games also have completely different monetization systems so you cannot port things as 100% copies with no changes to other parts

[tiny otter]

still waiting on that char that totally exists

[willow rain]

Those mtx existed in both company marketing structures.

[tacit pendant]

Comparing to wow and ff14 isnt a great idea IN GENERAL. Those players of those games are publicly upset about a lot of decisions recently in their respective dev teams

[willow rain]

Until they decided to rid rs3 of the ads.

[tacit pendant]

And yeah ff14 for example monetizes the shit out of whales

[tiny otter]

tfw runescape dies for rs3s sins..round 2

[willow rain]

That "loss of income" was a money sink if it wasn't successful while implemented. So they saved money anyway.

[gaunt minnow]

bottom line is osrs is so far ahead of any mmo that you look foolish trying to compare them

[willow rain]

$3/month doesn't break anyone's bank dude.
Its principle, and the way they went about this.

[tiny otter]

..one account one character wants to disagree

and that has a direct comparison

to other games

[acoustic robin]

As someone who has played all 3 and still regularly plays ff14, trying to say osrs is far ahead of any other mmo is a terrible statement to make.

[tacit pendant]

They dont want people alting, message received

[acoustic robin]

osrs and rs3 are wildly different games than the other primary sub mmo's on the market

[tacit pendant]

Ff14 still hella active aren't "ahead".

[willow rain]

Osrs has 10x active players as rs3

[gaunt minnow]

admittedly ive never played ff14

but I know for a fact that osrs towers over wow

and i cant imagine ff14 is close to wow

[tacit pendant]

And also. Osrs is so different from nearly any game at all.

[willow rain]

07 had more votes to come back as osrs than active players.

[acoustic robin]

making blanket statements doesn't help you sound any more convincing

[tacit pendant]

The whole reason we even have osrs is so it can not be like wow/14. Geuine apples to oranges shit

[gaunt minnow]

not tryiung to convinc anyone

it's a fact

blizzard is garbage

pure fact

[willow rain]

We are in a fkn runescape discord, yea.. we all agree to the obvious.

[tiny otter]

crazy people always think they arent crazy type logic

[tiny otter]

likely to have had an influence on wow classic in the first place

[acoustic robin]

define 'ahead' if it's a fact you're trying to say?

[willow rain]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-west-gif-13176688

Baits people to talk about opinions

[ashen yarrow]

i think you are confusing active players with concurrent players. active does not mean only at the same time

[tiny otter]

the easy solution is to delete rs3 and half the price

fixed

[willow rain]

Im not confusing them.

[blissful topaz]

hello jagex, i cannot afford to pay for membership after increase pls help, why u do this?

[willow rain]

My approach to the topic is business related, market based, and solely fact. My opinion is simpler than that.

[tacit pendant]

We dont get official numbers but i cant imagine wow being even 20% lower than osrs anr they have less bots (still have bots)

[willow rain]

I make money on this game, so.. uh..
Yea. Business.

[tiny otter]

Funny as you missed part glaring back at you, the req for voting itself WAS an active membership

[gaunt minnow]

ye wow doesnt publish numbers either but considering wow is very big in asia I think wow probably has more players

[willow rain]

That said, active gives an accurate representation of the amount of people in your possible subscription pool.

Concurrent does not.

[tiny otter]

..concurrent does at that specific time

[willow rain]

I swear.. education really fell off ever since they stopped teaching cursive

[tacit pendant]

Osrs active players get hella boosted by mobile/afk. Even taking bots out of the equation

[willow rain]

No. Concurrent does not give an accurate depiction of your possible subscriber pool

There's no way to make a projection of % of subbed accounts based on concurrent activity.

Only active

[gaunt minnow]

Wow has lots of bots too

[willow rain]

Being the larger pool of players. Accounts are considered "inactive" at a set offline time frame.

And % of accounts subscribed is actually a metric for business.

[ashen yarrow]

yes but you are saying osrs does not have 400k active players

[tacit pendant]

None of it even matters. They jagex just killing peoples desire to have second accounts. I doubt they even pull much profit here and shoot their own player numbers in the foot

[willow rain]

So its carefully monitored.
There will be a LARGE drop in active accounts. But concurrent players won't drop off.

See the difference?

[brisk cloud]

400k active accounts =/= 400k active players

[willow rain]

Right

[brisk cloud]

I myself have 10 accounts

[willow rain]

I had subbed 4 for 6 years

[brisk cloud]

yeah I had 4 subbed until yesterdays news, now its down to 2

[willow rain]

After yesterday, only 1.

[tacit pendant]

Nice

[willow rain]

Content will be steady for me and cost less

[tacit pendant]

Bonds will shoot up to 20m and i cba spending 20m to pk on my pure for 2 weeks

[brisk cloud]

its unfortunate we're now left to pickup the "lost revenue" from treasure hunter removal

[willow rain]

My main has bonds stacked.

[brisk cloud]

especially considering we're now the most expensive MMORPG on the market on a per character basis

[tacit pendant]

Pvp already hurting and now having an alt costs a fuck load

Bonds are a great investment yes, as an aside

[willow rain]

Bonds are good for that. Easy to get on a main.

[ashen yarrow]

yes the $1 increase surely does miracles

[willow rain]

In-game sub costs nothing out of pocket.

[tacit pendant]

I mean sorta. Losing 40 mil every month kinda sucks

[brisk cloud]

we are the most expensive lol, regardless of what the increase was

[willow rain]

I mean alts.

[tacit pendant]

Like thats a decent drop pvming

[brisk cloud]

$14.99/month per character is now the highest

[willow rain]

I can easily make 20m a month on my main

And have 2 weeks of content free on my pure

[tacit pendant]

I can easily make that money. I have 5 bil.

[willow rain]

See, its principle.. I was paying as a favor to the game Ive loved since my childhood.
New jagex fkd that up for themselves

And thats a lot of us

[tacit pendant]

The problem is that like i would like torva and eventually a shadow

i totally could spend 20% of my "gp income" on bonds. But thats not fun

[ashen yarrow]

same as wow for now, but i know you guys want wow system without the downsides so i guess that wont count

[willow rain]

I wont question your ig wealth, im beyond that lol

[brisk cloud]

WOW is $14.99 but you can have multiple characters under one subscription

[willow rain]

All im saying is, its not about the money for me.

[tacit pendant]

Im like above average in bank value and playtime. Most on this server are. If you are a bofa billy, 20m for 2 weeks is a huge ask

[brisk cloud]

65 characters at $14.99 vs 1 on OSRS

[willow rain]

Crystal/Bofa vs Tbow is legit the exact kinda power gap we need in all sets.

[willow rain]

See, 3 is my ask to jagex.

Just 3.

I subbed 7 accounts a month at one point.

[tacit pendant]

Even 2 for $20 would be better but not enough

[willow rain]

And played my main/gim for the entirety.

[ashen yarrow]

if you want limited skills/combat per character and stuck in single world unless you pay to transfer sure. forcing multiple characters to play mage/range/melee

[brisk cloud]

I don't get why I can't buy a subscription for my Jagex Account

even if its like $14.99 + $5/mo for additional accounts

[willow rain]

Okay.. look.. you're describing a race/trait system that only exists outside of osrs. We get it. The games are different. Thats why we are here.

[brisk cloud]

remember back in the day when you would have to click login at the same time to play on the same world as your other account

otherwise it would say too many connections from this address

[ashen yarrow]

yes and you only take into account the character slots not the reason why they are there

[willow rain]

They needed to poll a change to character placement to jagex accounts being mandatory, or something. They did nothing.

[willow rain]

We aren't comparing the games on that level.
The point remains the same. Its the same content, from a different angle.
The only difference is fundamental playstyle

[ashen yarrow]

sadly with wow system if you moved chracters to same jagex account you would never be able to play 2 at the same time

[analog crow]

You've exhausted your hop limit. Please pay USD 10 to re-enable hopping.

[willow rain]

Well, have 2 jagex accounts and keep white knighting for gagex then.
See how far the gagging gets ya

[ashen yarrow]

Like i also would love discounts for multiple accounts/characters on same jagex account but i realise they cannot give you unlimited/extra slots for no change in monetization

[willow rain]

You dont see that the power literally belongs to the players man.
You cant keep on your knees for the new ceo every time he wants another $40m/year

[gaunt minnow]

This is such a poor argument and you’re showing that you don’t play wow. Yes you get almost unlimited characters but you can only play 1 at a time and the game is based on time restricted Dailey and weekly’s , so it HAS to give you unlimited characters

It’s such a dumb argument

And only weakens your point

[willow rain]

Lol, guy acts like osrs didn't invent timegating

[ashen yarrow]

no no, you cannot compared the things outside character slots

[gaunt minnow]

Such a Pepega argument it’s crazy

It’s hurting my soul every time I see it

And just shows that you really have no clue

[analog crow]

I've already drawn myself as the strong and headfast civil rights activist and you as the immoral unprincipled corporate bootlicker. It's over for you, buddy.

[gaunt minnow]

Imagine if all raids and bossing were daily quests, like herb runs

[willow rain]

Yup.
Glad these kids dont run businesses. Or understand economics. Should work out nicely, someone needs to keep the company afloat. Bc they obviously won't do it alone.

[gaunt minnow]

Ofc you couldn’t just have one character!

[analog crow]

Only thing I'm really unhappy with and keep asking for, is the ability to multibox osrs and rs3 on the same jagex account.

[willow rain]

Dude said 2004, he was probably telling us his birth year. Lol.

[gaunt minnow]

I havnt read a single one fo your messages in 30 minutes btw

You have 0 clue

[willow rain]

Thats an easy ask fr.

[willow rain]

Yessir, zero.

[analog crow]

I dunno how easy it is because I don't know how Jagex' servers work behind the scenes

[willow rain]

I'll be sure to give you a shout out in my next video.

Fuckin loser

[gaunt minnow]

You spent 15 minutes asking me when I started to say nothing relevant at all

So I’ve been ignoring you since

[willow rain]

Just because you dont see the relevance, doesn't make it any less present.

[gaunt minnow]

There was no relevance

Just some waffle about how you’re a consumer and I only care about game time (?)

Who asked

[willow rain]

A consumer..? So wrong.

[gaunt minnow]

You come in here acting like some massive content creator asif any of us know who you are

Spouting some waffle about how jagex didn’t provide enough content

I’m still trying to piece together your pin t

Point

[willow rain]

You think these people are comparing fundamental structures between 2 TOTALLY different games..
The ONLY basis for comparison was multiple slots. No one said we NEEDED infinite slots kid.
The games have 2 TOTALLY different combat structures. What people are trying to seed is compromise between the people who pay jagex, and jagex.
The ENTIRE community feels a certain way about the approach to their changes. The way they were implemented. With no real compromise, they're actually doing more harm than good for themselves. You dont see it because you're just a little gamer kid, jumbling obsessions. Thats on you.
If jagex doesn't make money, i make less. Its actually a symbiotic relationship. You, other than your 2k vard kc.. nothing impressive about your account... you aren't a lifer, you aren't someone who brings attention to the game, if anyone here is just a consumer, its you pal.

[gaunt minnow]

Yeah I ain’t reading all that

[willow rain]

Seeing any relevance yet?

[gaunt minnow]

But thanks for the copy pasta

You think these people are comparing fundamental structures between 2 TOTALLY different games..
The ONLY basis for comparison was multiple slots. No one said we NEEDED infinite slots kid.
The games have 2 TOTALLY different combat structures. What people are trying to seed is compromise between the people who pay jagex, and jagex.
The ENTIRE community feels a certain way about the approach to their changes. The way they were implemented. With no real compromise, they're actually doing more harm than good for themselves. You dont see it because you're just a little gamer kid, jumbling obsessions. Thats on you.
If jagex doesn't make money, i make less. Its actually a symbiotic relationship. You, other than your 2k vard kc.. nothing impressive about your account... you aren't a lifer, you aren't someone who brings attention to the game, if anyone here is just a consumer, its you pal.

[chrome lantern]

Relevance to what? I feel like you're getting very argumentative and haven't presented any actual point? What are you actually advocating for?

[gaunt minnow]

He’s saying that he’s an almighty content creator and jagex need to make content for him at a better price

And that wow provide so much content for the same price

Which is pure garbage

And anyone who plays wow will agree

[obsidian venture]

That’s a banger copy pasta

[gaunt minnow]

Ikr

Ima go post it in we do raids for a while

[tacit wharf]

u mean the game people only play for 50% of the year

[gaunt minnow]

They’ll love this one

[obsidian venture]

Yeah send it

[chrome lantern]

The gap is even more exaggerated when you use the bofa in void like in your profile. Not sure what this has to do with anything else though.

[jagged marsh]

I said we need new slots dork

[obsidian venture]

Bowfa void is criminal

[jagged marsh]

Grbdzjxidjvd WHAT

[obsidian venture]

Look at the pfp

[jagged marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-sad-monkey-sad-edit-monkey-edit-üzgün-maymun-gif-15640172319982461811

Wwd

[obsidian venture]

Yeah like

I can’t take anything else they say seriously

[jagged marsh]

HES REAL

[obsidian venture]

But still shoutout to the copy pasta

Hope to see ritzy in a reddit post or vid

[gaunt minnow]

Same ima post it in the comments

[obsidian venture]

@gaunt minnow gg getting cancelled kid

[jagged marsh]

Can you calc this

[obsidian venture]

/s for all intents and purposes

[jagged marsh]

I wanna see the accuracy

[chrome lantern]

Ofc he's a content creator look at the copypasta he made

[obsidian venture]

Do I look like I wanna go to jail

Gotta do it on mobile 🙁

[[bowfa]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Bow_of_faerdhinen

[jagged marsh]

On muspah The max hits are ok but that accuracy lmao

[chrome lantern]

But look at it against Zuk

Err here's setup 1

[cedar quail]

the accuracy is painful

[chrome lantern]

Worse than crystal bow was what I wanted to show xd

[jagged marsh]

Lmaooo

[gaunt minnow]

Bruh

[chrome lantern]

28% accuracy on melee form xd

[jagged marsh]

Avg

Bowfa only muspah is some crowmagnon shit

[obsidian venture]

On maiden

[chrome lantern]

lmao

Is that specced down

Yeah

[obsidian venture]

Ofc

[jagged marsh]

Bowfa only zulrah makes sense

It's brain empty pvm

Bowfa only muspah is like

Just do vorkath dude

[chrome lantern]

Looks like it's about the same DPS as throwing adamant darts too

[obsidian venture]

😅

[jagged marsh]

This reminds me of when they put water weakness on kephri

[hard axle]

check ayak only?

[obsidian venture]

On

[jagged marsh]

And full max mage with harm staff was like, 2% better than a naked hasta

[hard axle]

crackmuspah

[chrome lantern]

Reminder that Verzik has an elemental weakness too

[gaunt minnow]

Wait what

[chrome lantern]

Or not

Oh it's not p1

Or p2

But p3 does

[jagged marsh]

It's useless but it's there. Probably leagues param filler.

[gaunt minnow]

Im waiting for the day I see someone water surging kephri in the new raids 4 robes

Oh god what are we doing

[chrome lantern]

Gotta bring your ancestral switch for the eye spec first

[jagged marsh]

Good god I hope we don't get elemental robes. This shit is exactly why it wouldn't work. The uphill battle for elemental weakness is impossible for late game. Trident, ayak, and shadow, are all too good.

[tacit pendant]

Unrelated to the drama. Void is gonna slap with new neck and arrows

[jagged marsh]

It just wouldn't work

[frozen lion]

Seeker arrows is attachment to arrows?

[chrome lantern]

Upgrade yes

Different shafts, or you can upgrade existing arrows

[jagged marsh]

Seeker arrows are cool

Me me like minimum hit

[tacit pendant]

Harm is like decent at olm hand

[frozen lion]

Minimum hit already exists, but not 3

[tacit pendant]

Seeker arrows accuracy being multiplied by void is the kicker not hit clamping

[jagged marsh]

Does it get mogged by dhw

[tacit pendant]

Its also clamping (or some other word) not true min hit like fang or dbow

Oh yeah dhw too.

[chrome lantern]

Magic is a piecewise system built on a fundamentally flawed system of damage only scaling with spell. It led to band-aid system of %dmg, then powered staffs, then we're just kinda screwed on trying to make spellbooks relevant outside AoE because they never addressed the fundamental issue and tried to cover it up with elemental weaknesses that aren't really relevant because you never use more than 1 element at any content so it's just effectively a "standard spell" weakness.

[tacit pendant]

Elemental set would need to be pretty bonkers to compete with shadow at places with 50% weakness

[frozen lion]

Rng in osrs is something else though, good rng bronze dagger can outdps terrible rng scythe

[chrome lantern]

Add on raids boosts and heart and you have a system doomed to suck

[frozen lion]

Obviously not gonna be average thing but rare encounters

[jagged marsh]

Royal Titans tried to play with this. I feel like they almost got it with Twinflame being a stop gap until Trident, but it quickly becomes irrelevant.

[gaunt minnow]

I’m hoping the shadow rebalance will address a load of those issues

[jagged marsh]

Honestly elemental weakness will stay as an early-mid game power bump. Unless they try to force it later down the line.

[chrome lantern]

Twinflame automatically targets weakness though so it remains not really a thing, on top of the fact it's designed for 2 players to take 1 element each

[gaunt minnow]

Because shadow and magic ultimately need a big rework

[jagged marsh]

Oh yeah i forgot it changes auto cast.

[tacit pendant]

Yeah shadow passive needs tweaked to lock in current dps at top end while having a clear weakness

[jagged marsh]

Then it falls into the same "one style weakness" problem

[tacit pendant]

Its current weakness of "needs gear" only matters at colloseum and maybe tob

[chrome lantern]

Elemental magic is also held back extremely by the harm. Jagex rightly doesn't want to make it relevant in its current turbo megarare form but also is constrained by it for all balancing

[tacit pendant]

Harm should be relevant PNM is fun. Make it more common

Etube we probably had this conversation in like early 2025 lmao

[chrome lantern]

PNM is super fun but drops need to be 3x+ more common and orbs 5x+ more common

I've talked about it a lot yeah

[jagged marsh]

The weakness should be like, it gets dampened by high magic levels on a parabola. We shouldn't be using shadow on magic enemies.

[chrome lantern]

Also as an ironman bias

Doing PNM without a heart turbo sucks

[tacit pendant]

Iron bias is not needed

[chrome lantern]

And getting a heart turbo sucks

[tacit pendant]

Harm would be 1bil plus if it was relevant

[chrome lantern]

Forgotten brews are awful especially when you're also trying to use melee

[jagged marsh]

The shadow should be good against enemies that are already weak to magic, and suck against enemies with magic resistance. It shouldn't power through existing defenses and nullify them.

[tacit pendant]

It should be like its current price and relevant... Soooo way more common

[chrome lantern]

Saturated heart holds back magic being relevant outside of raids

[jagged marsh]

I don't own a shadow, but it's STUPID seeing people use a shadow on Skeletal Mystics and Deadly Mages. It's just dumb. Very dumb.

[gaunt minnow]

Kind of agree. It’s a difficult points to balance, atm shadow is 1 upgrade away from being better than scythe at tob and just defaulting to using shadow everywhere

But it’s also the cheapest mega rare by far and most common

[tacit pendant]

We are getting an ironman heart in like... 2 months

[chrome lantern]

I don't think there's a specific timeline on the player island yet

[tacit pendant]

Its in the sailing roadmap for spring

[chrome lantern]

And even with that it's still so much worse than the saturated heart

Like 5 or 6 levels down?

And not divine

[tacit pendant]

Also forgotten brew is real

[chrome lantern]

Not really

It's such a troll item

[tacit pendant]

I dont think heart is good design. We agree there

[jagged marsh]

I would just make the inaccuracy scale harder with target magic level. At 50 magic, shadow will still slap. At 100 magic, it'll be slightly worse than it is now. At 150 magic plus, it becomes worse than ayak.

[chrome lantern]

I used forgotten brews for 438 Whisperer kills and man are they awful

[tacit pendant]

But magic isnt held back because irons have -5 magic levels

They are, challenge game mode yada yada. I would vote yes on making heart be on rate by 99 slayer

[chrome lantern]

They're not really very abundant for irons and the fact that they drain your melees makes them irrelevant or really awful especially at places like PNM

Every time I do use Forgotten brews I just realize how awful they are

[tacit pendant]

They suck man. I just dont see jagex changing heart

[gaunt minnow]

I agree that shadow shouldn’t just be default everywhere. Even the fact that’s it’s a bigger priority than tbow for normal cox is a bit strange

[tacit pendant]

So its just kinda chalked up to ironman probs

[gaunt minnow]

But any nerf and shadow is going to tank so hard

[tacit pendant]

Shadow legit isnt that useful unless you love toa also

[jagged marsh]

Shadow will go up if they add content where it's good, after it's nerfed.

E.g magic cape fight Caves

[tacit pendant]

What guthix said

[gaunt minnow]

Also true

[chrome lantern]

My personal biggest issue with slayer as a whole is that there's no alternative to the task system, with the slayer helm, how many things are task-only or have task-only drop rates, and especially the imbued heart

[jagged marsh]

Shadow being BIS at magic cape caves will keep it up I think

[tacit pendant]

I dont like that irons are expected to get like 25mil slayer xp

[chrome lantern]

25m xd

If only it were that easy

15m of my slayer xp is from bosses alone

Those don't even help me work toward a heart

[tacit pendant]

In before crush us used at magic cape inferno

[chrome lantern]

I'm at 27m slayer xp and not close to heart yet

[tacit pendant]

Idk what the rate is ONLY going for heart

[hard axle]

this spellbook change is annoying me so much because mage thrall/DC used to be right on top of each other on the left side of screen

[tacit pendant]

But yeah irons are looking at like 50m slayer xp before being "done" in a lot of cases

[hard axle]

does anyone know how to get it back to the 5x8 layout?

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I do hate that Jagex is like "you can just use third-party stuff to hide the spells and move your prayers!" and then drops their plugin API for mobile/official

[hard axle]

it's currently like 6x7 + 4

like wtf

[chrome lantern]

Right-click spellbook and Enable spell reordering, then rightclick the spell and hide it

[hard axle]

so i'll have to hide some dead spells zzz

okay got it back to where it was

really stupid

[opal urchin]

no

[meager flame]

Yeah or I guess move the mini game teleport to the bottom

[chrome lantern]

They don't have a way to do that unless they change it, though - it literally sorts by level req

[meager flame]

I’m assuming runelite usage bc jagex doesn’t have a playable client I’m ngl lol

[chrome lantern]

Oh you meant "you can do this" not "Jagex could move it there"

I see

[meager flame]

Yeah lol

I honestly think the spellbook tab is kinda cooked in a way but I have no idea what they’ll do

It’s like the prayer menu where eventually all options are gonna be slightly bad ones for a default appearance that shows everything

[chrome lantern]

I normally have them unfiltered and un-moved

Partly because I like the ability to know where things are when I go to mobile, same with prayers

But with today's update I actually just immediately hid the minigame teleport icon because you can't even play on mobile without having filters on anyway xd

[hard axle]

Nah, it wasn’t that

U needed to hide some or it defaults to 6 in a row instead of the old 5

[meager flame]

Oh

Yeah see that’s what I mean lol

They start resizing rows and really messing it up

I didn’t know they were already there

Are they still dying on the hill where we can’t resize stuff in pvp

[ashen yarrow]

yep, cannot get anything that might make learning pvp easier. Have to just send it to wilderness to learn

[hard axle]

Yes lol

Shit reverts

[meager flame]

lmao its so cringe

[hard axle]

They’ve already abandoned mant past stances and are too afraid to add things that are too difficult to clog and CA

[meager flame]

i think they even know it because im pretty sure it worked for dmm right

[ember token]

yeah i think so

[meager flame]

yeah bc that was the last pvp i did and i couldn't remember anything not being the way i normally had it

idk why they wont just give in

[upbeat hedge]

Is there any way to filter out the mingame tp and JUST the minigame tp? Mobile.

What an absolute gongshow. How can Jagex not anticipate needing to filter it out?? Do they not think think about these things?? WTF?? That would take about 5 minutes to pragram into the code - I'm genuinely shocked, even for Jagex.

durpa durp durp Ehh this should be good! A pinch of this and a splasj of that, mix in a random anount of crap and surely the player base will love it!

I like the concept but it's terribly implemented.

Just let me filter individual spells out - it's not a difficult thing to program!!!! Yas waiting to jack the price up again to justify this???

[austere mulch]

Aight Reddit kinda cooked with this one lol

[hard axle]

They dont need to implement it either. It existed as a RL plugin back in 2015-2020 iirc and Jagex just needs to unban the restriction so RL can put the plugin back in

[upbeat hedge]

I just bought membership 2 minths ago after 20 years away, was thinking about doing a hcim as well - but no way am I paying for another membership to a company like Jagex!!

[austere mulch]

I’m curious to see the resulting shift in subscription types after this. The weighting of monthly vs yearly, since many people are saying they’ll be going to an as-needed type of thing

Eg. Only playing 7mo/year and currently paying for 12, but now changing to 7

And I wonder if that’s something that was thoughtfully considered

[hard axle]

Jagex isn't the worst studio by any means, but we shouldn't let this 60% increase over 2 years slide, especially if a sneaky goal is to goad grandfathered players to unsubscribe and then have them resubscribe after 14 days at a higher rate by announcing the price hike isn't going thruogh

[ashen yarrow]

jagex allowed it in dmm annihilation because it was marketed towards newer players and more casual friendly with no "real rewards" from finale. Pvp community didnt go against it because it didnt affect real game

[austere mulch]

I saw a post saying that the price nearly doubled in Brazil, which now costs 8 days worth of the average salary there

[ashen yarrow]

wasnt that thing 5-6 month old news. they removed regional pricing because people abused it and got -50% price membership with vpns

[meager flame]

i dont think i actually know a pvp player that is against it

even at the time back when they made these choices im pretty sure they just talked to a couple of buddies and made the wrong decision

hate to say it but its idiot tier game design you dont have the core functionality of your games interface accessibility options change suddenly for just pvp

[hard axle]

Regional pricing still exists iirc

You just need to pay with a bank in that area

[meager flame]

it would be different if like it was some insanely overpowered option like you could make yourself immortal and play against bots but they didn't allow that for real multiplayer games

that type of stuff makes sense

[austere mulch]

Yeah it was in the thread from today, bunch of ppl from Brazil commenting on it

Went from like 138 local currency to 240 something, and the average salary there per day (after taxes) is around 50

Don’t quote on the numbers, but that’s what the convo was about

[ashen yarrow]

12month deal from R$ 244,73 (2025) to R$ 419,88 (on steam) from what i can find.

so the conversion rate to usd did get significantly changed

[meager flame]

stuff like that makes unfortunate sense a lot of the time

i didnt check those numbers specifically but usually when you see that its because in their area of the world something has gone incredibly wrong and for the company to maintain the same value from those people paying they have to like

double the prices and so on

although sometimes

the company just acknowledges that their subscribers from wherever it is in the world dont make up a large enough portion of their players to care and they're nice about it and just leave the prices low for a long time

like blizzard used to do that for south america and people started to figure out you could pay for things in their currency for insane discounts lol

i think osrs had that happen too at one point

the logic probably circles back around to realizing that if things are going so wrong that they would need to hike prices by that much

its probably better to just leave them alone since they probably cant pay you if you hike prices that much

and getting something instead of nothing for digital goods is better

[icy relic]

Speaking of which

What happened to Asian servers

[indigo surge]

Can't afford it, will cost 73% increase in membership costs to retain.

Jagex is too poor

[half lion]

OSRS is making good money for them, but RS3 has failed and they need money to fix it

just a thought

[indigo surge]

If you need 100M £+ profit to give a reason to make a few more servers... then idk what to tell you

[meager flame]

jagex is making record profits anyways

it doesn't even matter that rs3 has failed they dont even need it

[real dust]

Jagex ->

[brave spire]

This price increase sucks man

What a load of bullshit

[harsh herald]

they went from 67.5m profit in 2022 to 23.6m in 2024 lol

[meager flame]

is that before or after the pay out

because they made 14m more than they did in 2022

they post them yearly so you can see mtx sales dropping by less than sub revenue going up

the big difference is if they invest money into jagex or if they pay it all back out to investors

idr what year it was but it was basically revealed that almost none of the money was going back to jagex

so yeah basically 2024 they made more money than they did in 2022 but they invested like 50m into something im not sure we know about

they post all of this in public

that might be dragonwilds or something

all i know is it looks like they bought some game studio that i honestly dont know anything about

[harsh herald]

they invested 15m into r&d,

you can see their full accounts on companies house

[meager flame]

yeah i think it was over 2 years

[harsh herald]

revenue was stagnant

[meager flame]

im just curious what the studio was for

some more interesting stuff is that it looks like they actually make more money from "rest of the world" than they do from eu/us/uk

at least for some years

unless for some insane reason they just didn't include canada and aus by name and they're actually like almost all of the unaccounted for money its kind of insane that they dont have servers in some places like south america if they're making money like that from them

those numbers seem like they're all over the place though so who knows

[harsh herald]

scandanavian countries arent included within europe, canada and aus would be rest of the world

its european union, not europe

[minor whale]

You can't say they profit less if they reinvested in the company with the profits
That's just corporate double talk lol

[harsh herald]

not how it works lol, there was a negligible change in r&d and signifcant increase in admin expenses

[minor whale]

"admin expenses" meaning a company they bought became worthless because it produced a shitty product

It's on the 2024 eoy report, they would have profit significantly more if not for $46m in impairments of investments in 2 things that became worthless

[edgy viper]

if this price increase helps them wipe out bots at revs and rune dragons and ya know everywhere then sure ill pay that increase, but we know it wont

[mint rune]

How many of your accounts are you guys unsubbing?

Dropping 2/3 of my membered accounts, thinking about unsubbing the third and taking a nice long break as well

[meager flame]

i probably wouldn't unsub personally but i could pretty easily just go entirely through bonds

[tacit wharf]

my answer isnt allowed on this server

[meager flame]

which maybe i'll do but that actually helps jagex

since someone has to buy those bonds and me driving demand on bonds makes them more money

and saves me money

but someone out there is getting screwed

[harsh herald]

all youve said is 'they would have profited more if not for making a loss', well yeah, duh lol but thats not what happened

[meager flame]

yeah but most of us are talking about how much money they make off of runescape before they do something dumb with it

like if jagex made 200m and put 195 in doge this year im not gonna quote the 5m profit

we'd just say they got 200 and blew it

[mint rune]

^^^^ This

successful bakery rakes in record profits and decides to open a tcg store. card store flops so now bakery needs more money
Maybe the bakery should have stuck to doing what they were good at

[hard axle]

Hold off on this for 3 weeks.

They've repeatedly done sneaky shit that pushed folks into higher tiers from old grandfathered rates so they pay more.

Iirc, they've cancelled the $5 grandfathered rates and now they put folks into 12 month subscription higher rates.

[subtle merlin]

i still have my $7/month rate

[hard axle]

And their billing support, which normally bends over backwards for their players, started rejecting claims

for lapsed membership

[meager flame]

i wonder what really happens if a lot of us decide to go for bonds

in game i mean

[subtle merlin]

bond prices will rise, and whales will buy more

[meager flame]

yeah but theres only so many whales like what does the price actually get to

what if people start buying gold rwt to buy membership etc

[subtle merlin]

you will be surprised how much people will spend on a game. it gets scary

[minor whale]

"Oh no, we're losing more money, we must raise bond prices again, surely this will net us more"

[subtle merlin]

side question: why was "more from the getting around" update so down voted?

[meager flame]

people just telling them to come back with an article about prices

and not game updates they dont care about

[ember token]

because people are upset over the prices

[minor whale]

Immediately following one of the most negative blog posts of all time, which talked about how much "content" they deliver

They release an update that is buggy as shit and a giant nothing

[meager flame]

i feel bad for the devs because like

the price blog fucked them over like crazy

[minor whale]

I mean, their dev work has also fucked them over

FIrst 3 months we've gotten shit-all

[meager flame]

they were like look at all of this high value content we produce and like being very fair

[minor whale]

And next 3 months we're looking at even more shit-all

[meager flame]

all of their content for like 2 years as been super buggy and just not great

so now the actual devs are getting flamed because jagex wants more money

lmao put them right in the line of fire

[subtle merlin]

k i thought it was that, just wanted some other opins

im so glad i got my 7/month rate, i don't think i would sub at 15

[minor whale]

Also some just objective lying in the Reddit thread following the post too

[meager flame]

its just interesting because i'd say they've made good content with super bad qa

so like i dont think they're bad game designers but i'd also say the polish hasn't been there

[minor whale]

Perfected Quetzal Whistles can't be reclaimed if dropped due to them "not being on the clog"
Which is correct, they're not

BUT the blueprint is literally tracked, as if you go to 250 without one, you get a pity drop, and if you get one before then, you don't

So the drop itself is literally tracked on your account

[mint rune]

Good ideas with poor execution are still a bad product imo.
I'm paying for the game that exists, not their internal idea of what it could be

[meager flame]

yeah im just saying it was an insane take from jagex to decide to put that up there as a reason for us to pay more

[minor whale]

The price of Sunfire bones is JUST NOW being raised to the team

[mint rune]

Oh, yeah, big true on that point

[meager flame]

we honestly didn't have to take the detour to let them know thats bs but they made us do it lol

[minor whale]

Doom released 8 months ago

And they're just now raising one of the most complained about issues with it to the team?

This week?

[torpid delta]

im pretty sure i remember a jmod mentioning they raised it after people complained about the sunkissed bone drops from huey being weirdly overvalued

although that's probably worse.

[minor whale]

Oh and it broke 1.5t salvaging for a bit

[hard axle]

I'm never going for bonds ngl. Even at the endgame, the 1m/day is a pain.

[hard axle]

Temp game mode and F2P bs

[minor whale]

This entire year so far has just been temp gamemodes, greenlog in 2 hours content, and slop

[meager flame]

i mean a lot of us could do that because we're just like

at escape velocity we make more gp than can realistically be spent unless we just start doing crazy stuff

[minor whale]

And the next 3 months is more of the same

[meager flame]

that we dont have to do

[harsh herald]

putting all your eggs in one basket is not the successful business plan you may think lol

[minor whale]

Can't wait for the numerous bugs that'll be released with the "sailing combat rework" which involves a staggering 2 changes, one of which being an ava's device on your boat and the other being cannon barrels drop from 1 more place lmao

[meager flame]

please dont let it be this way

thats so likely but please

let them actually have put work in on this update for sailing

[minor whale]

This might be the most succint comment from the post

[hard axle]

Jagex already solved the powercreep issue with useable items on drop and upgrading them, and their team is bigger and yet they seem to dump massive amounts of resource into temp game modes, which are the least OSRS-y content around.

[meager flame]

tbh

[minor whale]

Oh and the prize for the contest they announced is the 3 months membership they just removed

[meager flame]

i think jagex has hit the wall on man power for osrs

where adding more people is not adding quality or content

and they should probably think about that

[minor whale]

They've dumped 50 new jmods into the game and the quality and speed of new content has not increased

If anything it's gotten worse

[meager flame]

yeah the only thing we got is 2 years of bs bugs on like

absolutely everything

[minor whale]

All this entire year has done is show that most people are probably never going to vote for a new skill ever again

[meager flame]

dudes cant put a poh kit into the game and have you actually walk through the house

its gotten to the point of parody

[mint rune]

Diversification is great for your stocks and personal economics. I'm sure as hell not interested in going to gamestop and them trying to sell me a pair of jeans. I'm not interested in going to Five Guys to be sold a house. I'm not interested in going to a golf pro shop to be sold tickets to a go-kart amusement park.

If thats what you're into more power to you.

[meager flame]

oziach is giving people items

its hilarious

[minor whale]

If they had to hire and delay so many things that are GOOD for a skill that's moderately ok at best, while every single thing they release since is buggy as shit and barely existent

And then raise prices!

[ember token]

the oziach thing is almost definitely a leagues thing leaking into the main game

[meager flame]

oh its for sure leagues leaking

[minor whale]

And then after the skill is finally released the first 5 months of updates after are just bug fixes for that content, and bug fixes for content that was broken by that

[meager flame]

that happened for a random dmm one time too

[minor whale]

Is such a bad look

[meager flame]

where sigils just went live in the real game

[minor whale]

It's made me guarantee I'm not gonna vote for another skill and I was SO on board for sailing it was crazy

[meager flame]

the part that i dont understand

[harsh herald]

well, good job that was gaming company they purchased then and not something out of their field..

[meager flame]

is they had a sailing team right that makes sense

how come once sailing released they didn't throw sailing to the other teams to start putting out the fixes adding content etc to really you know

get it to a state where they can stop

why is it just the same guys thrown back in prison with sailing

lmao

[mint rune]

jagex's field is runescape

[meager flame]

like just use the increased man power and get it done

its so crazy how sailing has just turned into this thing sucking the life out of updates for years

it makes sense when its core sailing being developed

[minor whale]

They also sold this company that lost them money and then rebranded as "Jagex: The Runescape Company" immediately after lmao

[meager flame]

but now its just putting out islands with quality content that makes you go to said island

they can all do it

[minor whale]

So yes, according to themselves it was out of their field

[meager flame]

im ngl its also shocking that they want to make more core sailing content

we do not need a barracuda trial

we need somewhere to actually take the boat to

if we wanted to sail in circles they gave us plenty

we even got two modes of going in circles

trials and port tasks lol

[winged mantle]

Dam price increase means it's now too expensive to give feedback or ideas in game suggestions

Wcyd

[tough nacelle]

Id like 1m per feedback provided to offset the increased cost of membership

my opinion needs to be sustainable for the next 25 years

so I am enacting this policy in order to provide constructive feedback for the next 25 years and not just the previous 25

[winged mantle]

So true

||unlock game update feedback coming as soon as they give us dedicated player support||

[tough nacelle]

only 85 cents to start

but if you commit for a year, you can save, brining the total to 84%

our annual feedback package is still the best value offer we provide

[winged mantle]

Just going to start saying "I can't affort to give feedback"

[meager flame]

I’m just annoyed that they’re not trying to actually fulfill a need when they’re suggesting sailing content for later

Like barracuda trials are good content but it doesn’t do anything that sailing needs atm

Like who cares if we have a new place to do laps

[harsh herald]

the field is gaming, i'm doutbful that a game that doubled in sized was a loss and they are diversifying the runescape brand, hence dragonwilds.

[meager flame]

They didn’t give us a reason to want to do laps

[mint rune]

Gaming is a sector, not a field

[opal urchin]

java gaming experts right here

[remote ruin]

what, a cosmetic outfit, a facility component(of varying usefulness) and a boat cosmetic aren't reason enough to do each trial

[honest gulch]

@fading token @winter hearth here’s a raids 4 reward design me and my friend @odd nova (incredible artist) came up with, would love to see something like this art design in game even if it has a different effect. Thoughts?

[deft barn]

looks awesome

[limpid karma]

🔥🔥🔥

[restive siren]

Very cool design but its stats would be kinda important i feel like. If its just defense and prayer i dont see that having much use besides afk slayer

Thats always the problem with all the prayer item suggestions

[honest gulch]

Yeah I agree, the effects could definitely be stronger

[restive siren]

If its just prayer, its useless, if its prayer and bis dps its a bit op

[tough nacelle]

Design is cool but the effect doesn’t seem like a mega rare

[restive siren]

dont think its a mega

[honest gulch]

I also thought about a soul split effect but that might be too op

[tough nacelle]

Still kinda useless tbh

[honest gulch]

This would fit in the category of 2-3 non mega rewards

[tough nacelle]

And break a lot of content

[honest gulch]

Like avernic/ ward etc

[tough nacelle]

Prayer being a limited resource is a balancing lever

Let’s them tweak drop rates accordingly

For future content

Becomes too strong and provides infinite prayer or dead on arrival because the dps loss is too significant

/ most places involve bringing a mega which are all two handed

Art is cool though

[honest gulch]

If they decide on a 1 handed crossbow mega rare, it would be the best shield to use

[tough nacelle]

Jagex can’t afford the art though. Too unsustainable without a 70% discount

[tough nacelle]

Buckler is better still

[honest gulch]

Oh ya true

[tough nacelle]

And buckler is a sad drop to get

[odd nova]

We just did some rough concepts and decided solaks arm would be cool since it ties with guthix as hes the guardian of the grove on rs3 🙂

[proud hollow]

That looks really cool and would finally bring about a real use-case for shields. Maybe it can even give a melee/ranged strength bonus based on total prayer bonus of the outfit to make it a properly useful megarare? That way it's more useful than non-megarare offhands such as avernics. Would fit lorewise too, given its ties to Guthix.

[honest gulch]

It wouldnt be a mega rare, but the ranged melee strength bonus based on prayer points sounds good and is a solid suggestion

[merry verge]

Been cooking on a passive design for a mainhanded crush megarare btw, any honest feedback is very appreciated! ❤️
(More info in the thread btw: https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1481446150119886848)

@deft barn you didn't read it all that fast, did you? Why did you downvote it so quickly? Appreciate if you would like to share what you don't like about it?

[deft barn]

Personally I think megarares should be 2h and the flat piercing seems extremely convoluted

[stiff jasper]

Hey @delicate glen i hate to bother, but im really bummed out about the dmm points i haven't gotten - 6k points that i have gotten in the dmm world but they never transferred to my main playing account..

[honest gulch]

Cool concept bro

I would like it to be 5ticks tho

[stark dome]

Have you logged into perma dmm world since the event ended?

Try hopping to world 345 then back

To get your points

[stiff jasper]

Yeah i know all that.. i tried everything.. i logged in and out daily.. i did get the points in dmm world but never got them in the main.. and i collected enough exactly for the bowfa recolor..
thanks anyway

[bronze kernel]

A stupid crush weapon idea is a 2handed version of a ham joint, but it's 1 tick and does double hit splats (With no reduction or penalties. Just straight up double hits).

[gleaming karma]

Suggestion: remove sailing

[cedar quail]

alternate suggestion: just dont do it if you don't like it

[robust wyvern]

Suggestion: Remove Brutus from hiscores. Superior cow. Not a boss

[cedar quail]

hard brutus should be on there, but who got the earliest one tick down is just funny

[robust wyvern]

Soon we will have a boss with 1m kc

Some special minded person will do it

[ashen yarrow]

adding ship EoC next week, maybe after that removing the whole skill

[robust wyvern]

Rename it salvaging

[cedar quail]

boring people will be boring but the other parts of salvaging are better xp and more fun

*sailing lmao

[robust wyvern]

Tbf sailing brought tons of good money makers

[cedar quail]

yeah it added a lot of cool stuff to a lot of other skills

[robust wyvern]

I think it would be extremely stupid if jagex didn’t expand upon it or attempt to though

[cedar quail]

oh they definitely are later this year. the roadmap for this year said something about it

"Red Reef, new Barracuda Trial, new quests and more!"

[robust wyvern]

Still think they should have left miniscule slayer xp included with the bounties. Increase the different ways people interact with sailing

[cedar quail]

thats fair, the bounties would be a lot cooler

even if its only like <2k an hour

*at peak

[robust wyvern]

Iirc it was originally designed to let you gain some slayer xp with sailing? Was a last minute removal but I can’t recall the reason why

If it was xp rates I think it should have been altered versus fully removed especially if trawling still provides some fishing xp

[deft barn]

It was a new activity that was proposed i think

Sea monster hunting

But we got deep sea trawling instead

[robust wyvern]

Ah ok so completely different activity. Would make sense that bounties included slayer xp tho

[deft barn]

Yeah it seems like they just lumped sea monster hunting in with bounties

And forgot slayer xp

Or rewards

[icy relic]

and the sea monsters

[mellow pond]

Dope idea aside, I NEED this for my fashionscape

[opaque island]

Suggestion regarding the new skill pop-up interface:

Make it where when you reach the skill requirement for a quest, it will say something along the lines "you now have the requirement for ___ quest. Similar to RS3s skill interface.

[gaunt minnow]

Any word on being able to move bonds between characters that are under the same jagex accunt?

Swear this was an idea in a blog post about a year ago then didn’t hear anything since

[tacit wharf]

didnt u just ask this yesterda

[gaunt minnow]

Yeah like 6 times

Waiting for an actual response

[tacit wharf]

no

[hard axle]

probably the same tech as being able to buy discounted membership among accounts lol

[gaunt minnow]

Ah so never)

Fs in chat

[hard axle]

im spitballing here, but they could potentially increase revenue by 50% by using walmart discount pricing

without price gouging like mfers

[vivid cedar]

Nah

[digital osprey]

Will they backtrack on the price increase

[robust wyvern]

Hell no. They’ll keep increasing it. We are like true crackheads that can’t get enough and will make a ruckus when we don’t like something, but will end up dealing with it anyways to get our fix

[digital osprey]

Any way we can stop this

Can u move bonds between charters

[robust wyvern]

Not without converting

Bond pouch is character bound not account bound. I think the only thing they could potentially look into is a higher priced subscription that offers membership for multiple characters on the same JL account, but then again games that offer that typically don’t allow u to play multiple characters at a time but they do allow u to switch characters and still have the membership

[digital osprey]

Or allow 2 characters 1 main And 1 iron

[robust wyvern]

Iirc Previous talks about it was something like pay set $ monthly subscription for 8 account package

Funniest part to me is that when they announced all this, I wanna say they purposefully fucked up being able to use bonds for membership on mobile

[blissful topaz]

the price hikes are cruel but the free warriors keep fighting on

[merry verge]

why not? 😮

[plain lodge]

So I want to make sure I understand right. If I’m on a say, 3 month plan, in April that’s going away? Is it possible to put in a purchase monthly to keep my current rate or is that pretty much SOL

[plain lodge]

Ayo thanks.

[analog crow]

So hold up.
I’m on a 6 month plan atm. If I do nothing, what will happen to my subscription price?

[minor whale]

6 month no longer exists

You will go to either the yearly plan or the monthly plan with no grandfathered rates

Well, you'll be grandfathered into the 1 month plan rates, but only at whatever your current monthly rate is

[analog crow]

My renewal date was like 2-3 weeks ago, does that mean that from September I’ll be automatically moved to a monthly subscription at a grandfathered rate?
Or do I need to do something?

[austere mulch]

You’d get moved to the monthly rates from your grandfathered period, so you’d be paying more per 6 mo but you’d still be paying a lower rate overall

So it wouldn’t just be 1/6th of your 6 mo rate

E.g if the grandfathered rate from 2020 is 60/6mo and 11/mo, and you moved to monthly to get grandfathered rates, you’ll be moving to 11/mo instead of 10/mo

Pretty sure you have to initiate it on your end based on the language in the blog

[analog crow]

Thanks
I’ll have to look into it then
Pretty confusing

Or I’m just daft

[sharp cave]

$15!

[meager flame]

tbf that cosmetic was sad as shit from the start

it could've been the coolest double sided entrance portal for your house

but they put it into a dead room where it didn't even make sense

could've also worked for the nexus

[sharp cave]

they struggled to add an orange entrance portal and you expect them to do that!?

$16 at least

[meager flame]

yeah maybe if we pay like 20$

dont worry though with our new great value membership im sure the quality of updates will improve and we'll see massive bonuses go to the developers

[meager flame]

lmao

[winged mantle]

something something bofa still clips to the fire cape/ inferno cape

after 5 years!

woah wait did they actually fix it

well played jagex

[jagged marsh]

Use a venator bow animation override, it looks way cooler

[winged mantle]

Wym

[jagged marsh]

Replace the Bowfa animations with the vbow animations

[winged mantle]

That's not what I was posting about

[jagged marsh]

Ok

[ember token]

forwarded to a jmod and theyve flagged it

[meager flame]

im ngl the wildy poh theme thing

we give jagex a lot of shit probably rightfully the past couple of years because a lot of random stuff keeps happening that probably shouldn't be

but that update i swear nobody tested it at all lol

i wonder if its something weird like work was completed on it a long time ago and between then and now more stuff released and they just didn't check it at all

[chrome lantern]

Well yeah considering it was promised alongside the other house styles we got so long ago I wouldn’t be surprised at all

[dreamy fractal]

My guess would be it's the portal itself that messed with it. They've released plenty of other reskins of the house with no trouble, but this was the first time they did a new color POH portal. They probably just did the reskin (which usually works) and didn't think any of changing the portal color and then gg'd

[meager flame]

i mean that might make sense for how you get a bug when creating something but it doesn't really explain how apparently nobody actually looked at the various things you can build in the house or realized you can't even walk inside of it

thats the confusing part like

usually people exaggerate when they say this but it honestly comes off like they actually don't have QA employed

and they've been low key having a few of those with cosmetics over the past year or so

they did the same thing where apparently gear with some of the leagues kits just had no stats

obscure bugs are one thing but the ones where the items or kits or whatever don't pass inspection if you use the kit because now whatever it was no longer works are really sus lol

the oziach thing on the other hand is the type of thing that you hope not to see but it makes sense how it slips into the game its hard to test absolutely everything everywhere

but basic functionality like does this house kit work can i still use the house etc idk how that gets in

[bronze kernel]

I think the Wilderness POH thing was a result of them wanting to use the crumbled walls. They probably botched that somewhere And also the crumbled walls also are causing a lot of weird inconsistency and janky appearances of the walls. And more janky depending on how you arrange your rooms.

And the wyvern shield thing was definitely something intentional that was overlooked and missed. Much like the T Bow spawn thing. Which IIRC, was a result of someone putting it in as a joke but forgot to remove it before sending it to QA before they pushed it to production. And QA missing it as well (Understandable since it wasn't something they expected they needed to check for the update).

Oziach magically hand out a free Wyvern Shield for no reason as a F2P is highly unlikely due to spaghetti code. Someone intentionally added that in.

My theory is they added in as a joke. Then tried to remove it but didn't realize it was still working in F2P.

[ember token]

it wasnt in f2p only

it's almost certainly a leagues thing that leaked into the maingame

misthalin wont be accessible, oziach and the ancient wyvern shield are both in misthalin, one of the teasers showed Yama kidnapping a bunch of misthalin NPCs

[ember token]

the tbow spawn was a result of a jmod teaching another jmod how to map things down, placing down a bunch of tbows as an example, but they missed a single one when removing them

wasnt really as a joke, and there's definitely not a situation where the wyvern shield thing could be a joke lol

[hasty shard]

nah ides of milk has you talking to the duke

who you talk to in ds1

it probably fucked up ds1 dialogue flags as a result

[ember token]

ah yes the ds1 dialogue flag where oziach has special dialogue and gives you an ancient wyvern shield for free

it's leagues leaking into the maingame, simple as that

spaghetti code is a thing that exists sure but not like this

adding a new quest that involves an npc used in other quests doesn't magically create an interaction where an entirely different NPC starts giving away items not involved in the quest

it just doesnt work like that

[hasty shard]

because he makes the fucking shield for you

[ember token]

no he doesnt

he can make a dragonfire shield for you

but that's it

not that he gives that for free anyways

[hasty shard]

i was led astray

[ember token]

here's the dialogue from it

[hasty shard]

wtf its the only one he cant make

[ember token]

tbh didnt know he could make the ward

[hasty shard]

i thought he made all three cause ezscape game

[ember token]

the wyvern shield has much lower reqs

[hasty shard]

has that ever stopped them

you can pay for mixed hide

[meager flame]

its for the league

because you cant get to the zone hes usually in

probably going to move him and he'll do stuff

[wet smelt]

people are speculating that its a leagues bug, since misthalin will be unavailable he might be somewhere else to give you dragonfire shield and other

[gaunt minnow]

Yep

More than likely a league unlock that you have to go claim from him and then reclaim

Unsure why you wouldn’t just get it from the sage though

[wet smelt]

sage is in misthalin?

nvm

but the speculation is that you unlock a new important npc every time you hit a league milestone

since the reveal trailer has yama and multiple misthalin npcs in his lair

[gaunt minnow]

That would make sense

[ember token]

and also explicitly the trailers showed the sage also having been kidnapped by yama

[meager flame]

watch it just be some stupid relic called did you talk to oziach?

and he just gives you something from an npc you're going dry on

[ember token]

my guess is that you rescue or otherwise encounter various misthalin npcs, and they each give you an item you otherwise cant obtain since its from misthalin

[fading token]

Very good art indeed, yes! Thanks for sharing 🙂

[alpine sinew]

the yama fight quickly went from "i cant see myself being able to complete this consistnetly"

to "i cant fucking die"

[sharp cave]

I guess we will see but I thought it might have been like item ids and their place in a table shifting slightly

[minor whale]

That dialogue is unique though, and it didn't require any items to trigger unlike any other way of getting the items combined

[frail plover]

The involved item ids aren’t particularly close to each other

[jagged marsh]

This whips

[jagged marsh]

I want to learn yama with my clan some day

[analog crow]

Yama p3 looks pretty hectic

I'll give it a try next week I think

Wonder if I should try to solo him a bit before I invite a duo partner

[gaunt minnow]

Solo is considerably harder

And also a lot worse unless you can nofly

Which is actually quite an advanced strategy considering how easy duo Yama is

[analog crow]

My main concern is that I will waste the time of my partner if I plank during the kill

[gaunt minnow]

Just try and find another learner to go with or a friend who’s willing to carry you a little

[analog crow]

Okay, I'll do that. Ty for the tip.

[gaunt minnow]

Honestly it’s not too hard to get down in a duo I’d be surprised if you were really struggling

[obsidian venture]

If maging its zzz

Slower kill but not hard

[minor whale]

If doing solo mage vs duo mage, solo mage is actually a bit quicker
Multiple times during a kill you have a static amount of downtime that isn't halved in a duo, and with teleports being so close, the supply usage being double doesn't really matter either

But if you can melee then duos are waaaaay better

[analog crow]

And dark demonbane is good enough to mage with right

if you have the tds staff

[gaunt minnow]

Yeah

Purging

[thick beacon]

honestly dont know if there is anything harder to do in groups vs solo in general

[gaunt minnow]

Yeah agreed

Unless the group is

[minor whale]

Not harder per se but solo ToA removes mechanics that exists in parties

Which is really silly

[thick beacon]

i think group toa is still a lot easier

u have a lot of extra dps more ppl to swarm at kephri. used to help split baba dmg and deal with cumphase. skulls dont exist. and more dps for p4 as well.

but when i say group i mean like 2-4man think past that point it does get chaotic

also if u die the raid isint over

[obsidian venture]

Seen more folks send 410 8 mans and can’t clear a 300 solo

Kinda criminal

[thick beacon]

ye for me it helped me avoid learning things like someone else just did red x for me

for harder cas i was able to use staircase to bypass learning how to deal with dt in mid

maybe someone else is leeching off someone else bflying etc

[alpine sinew]

just send ti solo it's easy

[alpine sinew]

group toa is much easier depending on the invocation level

at the higher levels it gets ridic

additionally the public 300 groups frequently wipe

specifically on stuff like kephri that requries coordination

[jagged marsh]

whoa

til

[obsidian venture]

Wiping at kephri is insane comms

[meager flame]

toa is interesting because for me solos are totally easier

i just have to do the right thing and theres slightly fewer mechanics happening

but i could see how if you weren't familiar having the other people in the room to make up for you messing up occasionally could feel easier

i didnt really like how toa made me feel though when i was finishing it

it was super robotic and almost stressful but not exactly

[remote ruin]

happened to me once, the host turned on the bigger explosions invo, which is a little difficult with 8 people lol

[meager flame]

its like i felt like i couldn't stop focusing on anything the entire time

i haven't done toa since they changed it though so im sure some rooms are probably a little more chill now like i know baba just does nothing

all i know is that content was really hard to lock in with and do exclusively for weeks compared to anything else i've done

[obsidian venture]

I guess if new sure. Otherwise you’d dd

[meager flame]

i think theres also a layer of like

[remote ruin]

it was a public lobby, people definitely didn't have the coordination to play intelligently

[obsidian venture]

Yeah not surprised

[meager flame]

kind of sort of relearning toa if you do it with people vs knowing exactly what you do alone and executing that over and over

so if you learn solo first solo probably feels easier

[obsidian venture]

Public and or ffa lobbies contain worse pvmers on avg

Which is generally understandable

[potent dagger]

You know someone is good at toa if they’re consistently completing 350+ deathless solos and skipping all skulls at wardens p3. You know if someone sucks if they constantly feel the need to do 329 300s because they need to be carried by the team and are simply a thrall to help someone else get a shadow

Imo, because of the way mvping works in toa, you should never do 329 8 man 300s unless you have shadow and zcb since the mvp for every boss is getting (8*300=2,400) points just for that boss. If they mvp in multiple rooms, you have next to no chance of the purple being in your name and will have to do many more raids on average for that to happen.

[obsidian venture]

Only factor for me is time for the completion in solos or teams tbh

If folks ss in teams, that’s a bad team. Can do so in solos if high invo

[meager flame]

tbh i think a lot of people just dont understand what decision they're making when they skip skulls

like they probably go read somewhere if its efficient points/hr or not and check out from that point on but realistically its more like

lets say i raid all day long the efficient points/hr makes sense to pay attention to maybe i get a whole extra raid because i didnt skip

but if you log on and say you're doing 2 raids and getting off but it doesn't matter if you spend a couple of extra minutes doing it you might as well always skip just so you're more likely to get something on your 2 raids

same type of deal with how many downs on wardens etc

[solid trout]

something seams something might have broken the area unlock emote.
its 100% reproduceable.

1. Use area unlock emote
2. try performing any looping emote
3. You will be unable to do so if you didnt move

you can use normal emotes just fine, but not looping ones

[languid ravine]

oh no

[drifting valley]

Maggot king looks to have 4 phases

From seeing the picture from jagex with all the diff phase names

[restive siren]

Where is that picture

[drifting valley]

You can see it on the livestream they did on it

When they showcase how the boss looks

[restive siren]

Ah

[drifting valley]

Next to it u can see "fig 1" fig 2 and so on

Fig obv means fight 1 fight 2

Eggs is fight 1

Larvae is fight 2