game-update

[meager flame]

bro its been months you had about a week of sailing content on release

the rest of it is just like

[gleaming karma]

Legitimately it's insane people keep defending sailing

[meager flame]

absurd drop rates

[icy relic]

Sailing would not even contribute anything to the leagues experience

It just complicates region locking and has nothing useful behind it anyway

[meager flame]

yeah but they should deal with it because that's their game now

and those problems might inspire them to fix it

[icy relic]

No new slayer master, no boss exclusive slayer master still

Only sailing gated boss is fucking gryphon

[meager flame]

its not even particularly hard to fix

just put cool things on islands

instead of blank islands

and its all good

[gleaming karma]

Enjoy your 2 sweet corn seeds from gryphon

[icy relic]

Can't have that because we can't have any powercreep man

Even when adding a new skill

The one time you should have powercreep

[meager flame]

now sailing combat* content is more broken than that

and apparently they're working on it but just like

the islands being wastelands with nothing interesting going on is kinda nuts

like lol for sailing to be interesting where you're going has to matter

[gleaming karma]

Should have been a mini game, it's like dungeoneering all over again

[icy relic]

Imagine if devs were like sorry runecrafting can't have you getting more nature runes than camping dark wizards because that would crash the price of nats

[meager flame]

its just interesting because i think sailing will one day be good

but they just didn't release the whole skill we're in the sailing beta today

[gleaming karma]

And it's nowhere on the roadmap for the next year to improve it

[meager flame]

the boat moves fine and we can go places but theres nowhere to go lol

[icy relic]

They need some sense of urgency addressing shit like the absurd drop rates

My gim buddy went through 100k salvage for 2 cannons

[meager flame]

im very disappointed in all of their drop rates and efficiency for ammo and so on

its not an accident

they were very intentionally trying to extend the amount of hours it took to do anything in the most direct way possible

[icy relic]

Yeah I identified this immediately

Sailing was a straight up engagement sink

[meager flame]

idk if they need to hear it again but it sucks and it isn't fun lol

sailing itself is completely okay

wasting my time intentionally like that isn't cool though

[icy relic]

100% time waster to show the higher ups that they have player retention

[meager flame]

at least save that for the exciting stuff

dont tell me to afk salvage for 30+ hours

[icy relic]

It is even worse when you consider all the ship part drops are bugged

Like they were expecting us to camp 1k manta rays for one trawling net

[meager flame]

yeah all intended rates were made by someone that wanted to waste as much time as possible

the only ones that were good were bugged

[quaint oar]

the bottled storm rate is stupid as well. same with the dragon hooks. its like why are we bothering at this point

especailly when ship combat is so ass

[meager flame]

oh yeah me getting my bottled storm is like

one of the lowest points in my rs career

since like 2003

that shit was just bad lol

[quaint oar]

even with safespot methods is just abysmal

[meager flame]

yeah lol

[icy relic]

Anyway as always I invite anyone to compare sailing to invention or archaeology in RS3 and tell me how this is the same company

[meager flame]

its just weird because i can tell someone tried to make sailing good because mechanically it is good as far as actually sailing

but then some insane shit happened after that

[quaint oar]

arch is almost comparable. until you realise that perks are a thing

like arch actually has something worth achieving for

meanwhile sailing has..... nothing

currently

[meager flame]

thats the weird thing about sailing

every skill release i've ever been playing for which is almost all of them

[icy relic]

Arch has a fuckton of lore and new biomes

[meager flame]

they all had like that one goal to chase except for sailing

and i guess i'll throw hunter in there too as one that didn't have anything going on

and look hunter still mostly sucks today

[quaint oar]

what do you get for getting 87? wao a new island for frost dragons with even more shit drop rates and a furance for cannonballs to be 2x speed. congrats

[icy relic]

1.6x speed but yeah

[meager flame]

i feel like it was a weird play to release sailing and just be like

okay guys for the next 6 months the only reason you're doing this is for your max cape

good day

[quaint oar]

point being is that theres very little reward for the effort currently

like sure im afking 99 currently but thats cause i want to afk something towards max lol

[meager flame]

ya i hit 99 on my iron in 2 weeks and afked my old main to 99 as well just to like

[icy relic]

I am fine with forgiving them for sailing being incomplete but the level of patting themselves on the ass has been insane

[meager flame]

have the max capes basically

[icy relic]

The skill has so many issues and it is so glaringly incomplete

Show some urgency

[meager flame]

but im ngl it was more of a chore on my main than really like

fun gameplay

wouldn't have even happened if it wasn't just full 30 minute afk

[quaint oar]

100% i didnt have much expectation at all especially if i didnt play betas. like the skill has the foundation, but it feels extremely empty right now for the effort involved

[hard axle]

Remember when they nerfed slayer sailing

[meager flame]

yeah they detected a disturbance in the force where someone was having fun sailing

had to fix that quick

[hard axle]

Granted it was strong, but it burnt like 700k/hr lmao

[meager flame]

for real though i hope to god their sailing combat fixes come out with some actual force and make big changes

[hard axle]

It literally cost money to get 70k/hr sailing xp from 30-72 btw

[meager flame]

if they do incremental changes with how bad sailing combat is

[icy relic]

at least the badness of sailing has allowed me to reconnect with RS3 after all this time

[meager flame]

idk what to tell them

that shit is broken just go crazy

[hard axle]

I’m happy Reddit is saying fuck temp game modes

[meager flame]

same

[hard axle]

Cuz now they might actually focus on main game

[meager flame]

they're cool when they're extra and rare

they're not cool when they take half of my yearly updates

[quaint oar]

i mean i enjoy leagues and dmm, but like if its cause to increase membership dont release them yearly lmao

[icy relic]

once a year is fine

[meager flame]

the crazy thing is we already did this and they admitted fault

[languid ravine]

leagues and leagues with pvp

[hard axle]

I want them to use it as beta test grounds for new weapons and gear and effects

[meager flame]

idk how we got back here

[languid ravine]

its a crime to call this dmm anymore

[hard axle]

not mainscape but fast

[icy relic]

but gridmaster>dmm>osrs leagues>rs3 leagues all in short succession is ???

[meager flame]

the year where we got nothing but dmm league and gim release

[languid ravine]

i think the regular wildy is straight up more deadly than whatever dmm is now

[quaint oar]

i mean leagues kinda does that, if they at least think about adding the echo items

[icy relic]

yeah DMM also was a joke

[meager flame]

that sucked and they just admitted it was bad

[quaint oar]

just nerfed a bit

[icy relic]

I didn't fight anyone a single time all DMM

[meager flame]

how did we come back to doing it again like lol

[icy relic]

and still got like 72k points easy

[meager flame]

what happened

[icy relic]

it is basically just another leagues at this point

leagues except you make more money off of it

[meager flame]

you know what the really wild thing about it is

do you know what the update was that came after to right the ship

it was the lead up to toa

they're putting the entire scenario back on repeat

[icy relic]

idk why they are still tiptoeing around releasing sunlight spear and echo bosses

[quaint oar]

sunlight spear would literally work in main game just adjust it a bit

[icy relic]

it doesn't even need that much adjustment because stacks come really slowly if you're using it as a 5t weapon instead of a 2 tick

[quaint oar]

i think alot of the echo items could work in main game if they were just adjusted

[meager flame]

i guess it does mean 2027 is probably gonna be a good year

[ember token]

regardless of what they do with sailing combat, you're still not going to engage with it unless you're an iron with nothing else to do

[quaint oar]

like dogsword could literally be a thing if you combine all godswords, even if it just needed an item to do so

[icy relic]

you can make people engage with anything if there's a lucrative boss gated behind it

[meager flame]

its wild to me we're gonna do it again

lmao

[icy relic]

but they don't properly gate anything these days

[meager flame]

dead year into a raid

[icy relic]

yama's only req being a kingdom divided lololol

[meager flame]

following year big quest release and im guessing here but

after toa it lead to dt2

[ember token]

yeah but after the changes there still isnt going to be one of those

[meager flame]

i bet we get our rotm in 2027

[ember token]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Transcript:25th_Anniversary_Livestream#To_the_Chaos_Elemental

[icy relic]

I know, I'm just saying that their inconsistent policy around powercreep is hurting the game

[ember token]

last time we got chaos elemental letters, it was about DT2

[meager flame]

its insane to me that we're in a time loop with jagex atm

but its totally happening lol

[quaint oar]

yamas rewards are also kinda silly but thats a whole other topic tbh

[icy relic]

they'll refuse to put good content into the game while casually dropping stuff like eye/conflictions

and oathplate of course

[quaint oar]

oathplate was silly

why is a midgame boss dropping bis

[meager flame]

the pushback from jagex after we complain we aren't getting content is always a good time

but i hate how we have to have these years to set it up

[icy relic]

the elephant in the room about oathplate is not really that it's bis but because they have to bend over backwards to make scythe good since it's a megarare

everything comes back to megarares being impossible to fucking balance

[quaint oar]

honestly jagex set themselves up for it when delays and whatnot happen and a slight drought happens

[icy relic]

if it's not good enough jagex has to bend over backwards to make them good

[meager flame]

well its definitely a scheduling thing

theres no way you can do dmm then league realize it took too many resources and admit fault to then release a raid and follow up with massive long awaited quest

twice

which is what we're doing

lmao

[quaint oar]

i mean, the fact irons can basically skip bandos and torva and just go to oathplate is kinda pepega if you ask me

[meager flame]

that cant be an accident

[icy relic]

I am all for pushing GWD back because it's shit content

[meager flame]

it would be an insane coincidence if it was an accident

[icy relic]

but like fix nex already?

fix PNM already?

[quaint oar]

gwd content is shit cause its unbalanced and tanky

[meager flame]

i honestly think pnm is fixed minus some drop rate adjustments

[quaint oar]

you either have chill kills or you get absolutely bodied, there no in between there

[meager flame]

content wise the boss is good to go but those orbs and maybe the mace need to be looked at still

[quaint oar]

like how can kree go from hitting 0s for a kill then suddenly bodying me for 40s b2b for the memes

[meager flame]

for corp and nex

[quaint oar]

corp needs a fix

[meager flame]

i think they should both just get like an angel of death and solo rework

[icy relic]

I mean the drop table issue with PNM is a huge deal

the fight itself is great

[meager flame]

so people can just go have fun with them

[icy relic]

one of my favorites in the game

[meager flame]

corp and nex have an actual gameplay problem

where pnm just needs reward tweaks basically

[quaint oar]

i mean, nightmare in general has issues its wild it is where it is

especially when they want to push crush lol

[meager flame]

im ngl

i thank god every time anyone brings up pnm bc i spooned mace

lmao

[quaint oar]

i havent even bothered with nightmare yet

dont think i will bother for awhile

[meager flame]

the mace makes actually doing the boss much nicer

you can kinda make it work in a progression like for example

[icy relic]

I got GM time no issue with SRA

[meager flame]

if you got a zombie axe enough crush bonus to 1 hit parasites with it and an ayak

[icy relic]

it's pretty solidly doable

[meager flame]

you can pretty much hard farm pnm

[quaint oar]

i would have an ayak, if i had a synapse. lmao

[meager flame]

so you could get it into the progression

[quaint oar]

1506kc no synapse 1 claw, very fun progression jagex

[meager flame]

but the drop rates are a little out there and right now pnm drops are mostly good for killing more pnm

but if we had a crush raid and things were a little more accessible

it would make sense

and be part of the game

[icy relic]

it would make sense if inq was the entry gear to get into the raid

but the raid is going to drop mage armor for some reason

[quaint oar]

arent they still taking suggestions on all that

cause its kinda clear they have no direction

[meager flame]

i think the crush megarare is pretty likely just based on reading people's feedback but that's just a guess

[icy relic]

I don't trust anyone to give suggestions on an entire loot table

[meager flame]

i think the other rewards though are way more up in the air

[icy relic]

and I don't want another megarare

we don't need any more

they are all bad for the game

[meager flame]

like jagex had pretty solid logic all around for why they'd go for a crush mega

[quaint oar]

crush mega rare would feel kinda whatever imo. like sure a mega to be used in the raid, cool whatever, but crush still has no real boss to be used against

[meager flame]

and they're trying to build the niche in advance with the maggot king

i think they're pretty locked in with the idea

[icy relic]

idk, we don't need crush claws

[meager flame]

barring everyone just going crazy

[icy relic]

there's not that much daylight between claws and VW

claws are just really powerful in ToB because bosses are 0 def

[quaint oar]

crush in general is kinda whatever considering the only boss you really use crush on is what? pnm and....??? rax? lmao

[meager flame]

pnm all spider a whole raid and probably like

we dont know exactly how it would work but its probably okay in cox too

there also might be some weird stuff like

it might bang nex lol

nex only has 60 crush def

[ember token]

maggot king will almost definitely be crush weak

[quaint oar]

when ruby bolts exisit i dont think thats gonna make a difference

but yeah i guess magot king is a thing

[meager flame]

we already fang nex during some parts so if it can come for the fang's use case

it might really happen

[quaint oar]

unless the mega has fangs passive idk

[meager flame]

it probably wont work the same way but its probably going to do something to npcs that dont have a lot of crush def

[icy relic]

you fang most of nex

but it's pretty low DPS

it's just that alternatives are worse

[quaint oar]

either way until we see numbers and whatnot its kinda just speculation for now

[meager flame]

yeah the nex example is just one where like

something might happen here but we need to see

[icy relic]

people were really excited about horn scythe nex but they didn't allow that interaction

[meager flame]

honestly that would be a great outcome though

nex would be a great niche to slot in for melee phases

since it would just be replacing a free sword

[icy relic]

at least horn nhally arma became meta

[quaint oar]

im just really sceptical about a crush megarare, like yes i get it, use the item from the raid for the raid but outside the raid it just feel like it would have super niche usecases

[icy relic]

I just don't think the game needs more megas

[meager flame]

it only seems that way now because crush is generally undertuned

but there were periods where inq was what people took to cox

[icy relic]

scythe was homeless for a long time too

[meager flame]

because crush can actually put in work

[quaint oar]

its clear by the shadow that they really dont know how to balance around the mega rares they introduce into the game tbh

[icy relic]

until they hard shilled it by adding rancour + oathplate and then made every boss slash for a while

[meager flame]

so if there were a really big crush stick

[icy relic]

like colo

[meager flame]

you might see the return of inq to cox

[quaint oar]

how many reworks and nerfs has mage had since shadow came out lol

[meager flame]

i doubt it would actually be better than scythe but as long as its respectable there

thats probably good

[icy relic]

scythe is really exploitable

if they choose to make things have high def again

shadow and tbow not so much

[meager flame]

if nothing else tekton never saw it coming

people would probably take it just for that

[quaint oar]

kekton

[meager flame]

bc i imagine how it would look is like

inq crush dhl + megarare on some other rooms vs scythe in bis

as the two competing things

unless the megarare just pops off on neutral targets too

[hard axle]

mdmg rework, elemental weakness, confliction gauntlet nerf

[quaint oar]

occult too

[hard axle]

that's mdmg rework

oh yes, tome rework

[quaint oar]

and the future shadow 'balance'

whenever that actually happens

[hard axle]

we told them to just cap it 80% outside toa

[meager flame]

i honestly dont even know what to expect about the future of shadow

[hard axle]

they decided to stall

[meager flame]

i actually think its probably going to get stronger

but have some kind of real niche

[icy relic]

it will get stronger

and it'll be better at low gear too

I'd say those things are virtually guaranteed

[quaint oar]

it getting stronger sounds like a weird play, but lets see how it pans out cotton

[meager flame]

well its because shadow is actually worse than tbow and scythe at like peak performance

its just way more utilitarian than either

[icy relic]

Shadow's peak is much lower

it's only used for ToA and CM CoX at this point

it lost all of GWD to just nhally dolo

[meager flame]

so their fix is probably going to be making a real niche for it but giving it a ceiling that looks like the other two

at least that would be best case scenario

idk what they actually put effort into doing when its that time

[quaint oar]

currently, doesnt ayak out perform shadow in some cases

[meager flame]

yeah they're both like

generic hit things with magic sticks

[quaint oar]

and ayak is 3t and under 70m

very funny

[meager flame]

its honestly just like bp and tbow

where the cheap 3t is actually way too good

although the tbow at least has a lane and stays in it

unlike the shadow

[quaint oar]

bp had to be nerfed iirc

[meager flame]

yeah and its already back

[quaint oar]

but its still good so its like w/e

[meager flame]

and gaining lol

they didn't fix the real problem with bp

so we'll probably see that nerf happen again

although i guess they're kind of trying to get at that with the blood moon rewards

[quaint oar]

just buff rosewood bp instead

[meager flame]

we cant make seeker darts right

[icy relic]

BP problem is that it just giga scales too hard

[quaint oar]

dont give them ideas

[icy relic]

and the more range str you add to the game the more it chews away at that gap

[meager flame]

those would be unhinged for darts

like actually insane

[quaint oar]

seeker dats in rosewood bp might actally be hilarious

[meager flame]

im pretty sure if they made those for bp

[quaint oar]

but yeah i doubt we get seeker darts

least for now

[meager flame]

it would be the 4th megarare

before raids 4 released

the thing i really want to know but they wont ever tell me

is if they plan on making a mid game crush weapon to help people into raids 4

or like a quest reward like keris

[quaint oar]

dual boppers already exist

[icy relic]

there are plenty of midgame crush weps

[meager flame]

yeah but they sorta all suck

[nocturne solstice]

They work pretty fine to me

[meager flame]

thats part of why they want to expand crush lol

[icy relic]

there's no bowfa tier crush wep

[quaint oar]

blood moon is right there

[icy relic]

midgame is covered

[quaint oar]

or like

just use zaxe on crush

its fine

[meager flame]

i actually think it would be zaxe yeah

[icy relic]

bludgeon is good

[meager flame]

a lot of the time

bludgeon would likely be better but

nobody is going to get a bludgeon when they can hit good enough tier with a zombie axe

[icy relic]

zaxe usually loses to zhasta

[meager flame]

and skip to megarare

[nocturne solstice]

Bludgeon, dual maci, zaxe, put raid 4 in wildy and you can use chainmace

[icy relic]

SRA is better than all other crush weps

even though it has like piss crush attack

[quaint oar]

you can use chainmace outside of wildy as well. a friend of mine did rax with it and was fine lmao

[meager flame]

sra is like

lets just say when i got my mace for pnm and didn't have to use my sra

we were very happy

[icy relic]

inq armor is a bigger upgrade for me than mace and no inq

[nocturne solstice]

Very true, it's still really good.

[meager flame]

the wild part is 4 kc before mace i got the inq chest

[icy relic]

120 kc no drops, happy fun times

[remote ruin]

oh hey, that could be an idea for some upgrade-scape to make those bp's better. not the actual seeker arrow stat increase(doubling the accuracy on rosewood would be funny tho), but applying the sap to the newer bp's to increase their stats in some way.

[icy relic]

don't feel like camping that boss

[meager flame]

im just camping it now because like

it potentially makes sense for the future now and theres not much else left to do

[icy relic]

my duo and I both don't like the direction of the game

so we'll see what happens with BMR/raids 4

[meager flame]

im just glad its actually a fun boss

before this i did 1k corp solos and that was

not fun

[icy relic]

jesus

did you get ely

[meager flame]

nope just a spectral lol

[icy relic]

ow...

[meager flame]

it actually took me forever to get the elixir

and i spooned the spectral like crazy

then i was like why not just go to 1k

that's how jagex should know sailing is busted fyi

i looked at getting sheets for a max boat and did 1k corp solos instead

[icy relic]

oh yeah, we just maxed and then went back to RS3

my buddy went dry doing 100k salvages, I went dry on every raid

[ember token]

it took me roughly 20m xp to finish salvaging

[chrome lantern]

My only complaint is not being able to switch into a grandfathered rate 1/3 month plan when I’m currently on 12 month

[lunar blade]

Didnt they also say that last increase still with 0 costumer support?

But I really dislike how 12 month sub does not get grandfathered rates.

Why risk acc?

But in general I feel like gold buying even bonds ruin account progression

[lunar blade]

Its almost like I play iron for that exact reason. But there is def risk in gold buying lol

[slender tendon]

I've got no clue how this grandfathered rates work

I've been manually buying membership since release, never expired in the meantime

Am I grandfathered?

[chrome lantern]

It only grandfathers if you had a 1, 3, or 6 month membership before September 2024 and didn't have breaks in that subscription

[slender tendon]

I always bought 3, then when it got removed I bought 6

So now, to keep the reduced rates I need to buy 1's?

[meager flame]

i honestly think its insane that the people willing to give them money up front for a whole year

are the ones that keep getting screwed

they hate that we get that discount im ngl

its crazy

[slender tendon]

Welp I guess what confuses me is they keep tlaking about canceling subscriptions, but I always bought it manually, so it just isn't clear for me.

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I said it before but my only complaint is that I'm not grandfathered despite paying for membership for the last 5 years

Because I use 12month

[meager flame]

its kinda brazen lol

targeting the people the most likely to pay them

long term like they're trying to solve for fewer dedicated players

the wild thing is i bet a lot of those people dont actually play 12 months a year

so if they keep pushing they'll realize the even better discount is to just not sub for x months a year

[fresh forge]

It’s bizarre from an accounting perspective because the 12 month people give you the most knowledge about your foreward looking finances

[ashen yarrow]

well it makes sense to not keep everyone at -60% discount when the discount deals change

[solar sail]

100%. I have almost always paid for the 12 month package, despite often not playing for months at a time, and I did this with up to 2 accounts. I saw it as a way of supporting the game I've played since classic. Moving forward i will only be subscribing month to month with my 1 active account and any time where im not playing actively I will be canceling my subscription

[ashen yarrow]

people would still be paying what like 3-4$/month if the grandfather rate applied to the 12 month discount deal from previous 2 price increases

i think they could do grandfather pricing on the default price part but not the keep old discount % which would be more fair but people would still not accept it

[chrome lantern]

They know that people paying for 12month will still buy it at the increased price so they don't care if people are frustrated they raise it and aren't grandfathered in xd

[meager flame]

Well that’s what they hope anyways

There’s a limit though

[chrome lantern]

I don't think they need to grandfather 12month price but they need to give people the option to shift to a 1 or 3 month package under grandfathered rates

[meager flame]

Like they’re still a business competing for your money so they can’t actually just do anything

[acoustic sky]

Any idea if there will be an update today?

[chrome lantern]

They haven't said there wouldn't be but I would've expected a timer by now

[stiff needle]

Well OSRS, we had a good run. o/ I'm at a point that my membership just renewed for a year on 2 accounts but since I have 0 intention of renewing at the new rates and as I am effectively paying for a 3rd account now I am glad i found interest in new games.If you development cycle repeats it would show you making a change that runs the community off, to end the grandfathered rates and then draw them back with a substantial change to bring them in at the new rate. Seeing as my subscription is not categorized as grandfather worthy it is hard to justify the renewal. The last time you did this to your player base you jumped the price from $60 USD to $100 usd per year. While your budget might increase by 30% my income did not increase by more than 2%.

[chrome lantern]

Oh yeah, Daylight Savings Time in USA, we're an hour off now

[fresh forge]

For two weeks. Such a pain in the moo that it’s out of sync

[gaunt minnow]

Well OSRS, we had a good run. o/ I'm at a point that my membership just renewed for a year on 2 accounts but since I have 0 intention of renewing at the new rates and as I am effectively paying for a 3rd account now I am glad i found interest in new games.If you development cycle repeats it would show you making a change that runs the community off, to end the grandfathered rates and then draw them back with a substantial change to bring them in at the new rate. Seeing as my subscription is not categorized as grandfather worthy it is hard to justify the renewal. The last time you did this to your player base you jumped the price from $60 USD to $100 usd per year. While your budget might increase by 30% my income did not increase by more than 2%.

[dense arch]

Fucking corporate greed shows its ugly face once again. It just shows the apologies we got from Mod North are all bullshit. The company doesn't care about the players all they care about is draining as much money as they can until we quit. A 70% price increase in 3 year is beyond rediculous and is borderline scammy. And this will surely not be the end. Fuck this corporation and everything they stand for.

[chrome lantern]

Any follow-up on this?

[dry pond]

Also requesting an update on this,

But my expectations and hopes have all died anyway

[red acorn]

Would be fine if it behaved like bowfa charges where when it's used, it keeps the progress

feels bad teleporting using the charges up instead of saving for 10k

[ancient ember]

The team is currently exploring the possibility of giving the Perfected Quetzal Whistle the same functionality as the Corrupted Bowfa, allowing your charges to count toward the unlimited unlock. However, we can’t fully commit to this intent until we’ve explored it thoroughly and confirmed it for certain. It’s actively being discussed, and we’ll keep you updated as soon as we have more information.

We know that many of you suggested completing Varlamore Achievement Diary to reduce the cost. This would be something we'd consider when we start approaching the topic of Varlamore Achievement Diaries, however we don't have an ETA on this yet.

[red acorn]

Some nice fixes/changes here, I'm glad the Sarachnis timer's fixed and we have the option to have the skill pop ups as before

[dense aurora]

How long will the update take? ⏱️

[red acorn]

Felt empty levelling without though

[teal hinge]

Hey Mod Yume, not sure if I missed it but do you know if the loot timer was also extended at Sarachnis?

[solid trout]

Ah yes, new content that should have been here on release that is being dripfeed to us to justify price hikes

[ancient ember]

Not with this game update but the team is working on it 🙏

[timid scarab]

any downtime with today's update?

[median canopy]

Can I just ask... are a lot of the OSRS devs actually working on helping with the RS3 R2R? I get it if so, but the current pace of OSRS content output just doesn't seem to make sense if not

[winged mantle]

Would love an update regarding the promised paid player support from the "Conjoint Membership Survey - 16 January 2025"

[strange spruce]

It's been a while, but I think they had a question in the survey along the lines of "would you pay base membership prices, but with no player support and should we add another type of membership that's more expensive, but includes support"

[fervent wave]

good changes as always, but man price increase feels so out of touch with every day working class people. most people cannot justify spending $100 dollars a year on a game let alone $130+. i presume this change came from the CEO/higher ups, not the dev team who actually cares about the game

fuck our chungus lives

[winged mantle]

An update on when we get access to the player support

[strange spruce]

taking that into account, this reads to me as "we're not exploring paid player support"

And not necessarily anything about increasing player support

[winged mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

Looking for player support for all players

[chrome lantern]

Thank you. It feels like an absurd amount for what the tele is, whether a main or an iron. Is there any way that this will go down any time remotely soon or is there no point in holding off on it hoping to be made more reasonable.

[pseudo hinge]

give us value in return for price increase.
membership for all or some accounts on a jagex account and no multiboxing as to not create altscape and not have membership hours massively increasedwith an abiltiy to pay for accounts to be allowed to be played concurrent for those that already pay multiple memberships to play an alt actively on the side (bonds could take this role)
would allow people to:

• try chunk accounts
• do a GIM with multiple groups
• just generally do different account types
• experiment in leagues without needing several memberships

this would avoid increasing the ability to play more effective hours of OSRS on a single membership while giivng something that feels like value to players if you offer this as part of the year membership, the one that most people who would want something like this would do. (plus it would get more people to buy year membership)

I would accept the above as significant value obtained for the price increased considering how much it has over the past few years, as simply doing the job a live service game is SUPPOSED to do is not an excuse enough for increasing ^

the only concern may be with farming where it could crash the price of farming outputs, where you might want to tune the ability to obtain seeds across the game

[frozen lion]

Decent update but this is still just crasy forsenBlob

[dreamy fractal]

forsenBlob indeed

[frozen lion]

Also support is wtf, 14 days no response from appeal, fired staff or what

or already enjoying vacations on bahamas or w/e

[ashen yarrow]

Some additional fixes:

The Sarachnis respawn timer in the private instance is now corrected to be 10 seconds.

it does say in update post that sarachnis instances are 10sec now

[quartz anchor]

So you want a second account for free?

[pseudo hinge]

"for free"

[solid trout]

id add the caviat that more account slots are unlocked overtime. This is purely to avoid the issue of Botters paying 1 membership and getting like 20 accounts.

Unlock a new slot every month paid or every like 3 months idk

[pseudo hinge]

if you just tie it to memberships paid without bonds that are monthly it keeps bots out already

[quartz anchor]

Yes. You pay for 1 account. They want a second for free

[pseudo hinge]

I do not debate with critical thinking of this level, apologies

[quartz anchor]

Or. With money

[quartz anchor]

This is called straight forward thinking and not twisting the reality to fit your narrative

[solid trout]

fair, but i like the idea of an honest grinder going from nothing to a bond

[spring kernel]

Even one new slot every year or two of membership. I cancelled my yearly I'd had since 2023 cause I can't afford the additional account now. I mean twice in 1.5 years??

[pseudo hinge]

how many extra hours of membership gameplay would you get with the idea i proposed "for free"?

[quartz anchor]

Remember when they did a survey about multiple accounts for a bundle price and everyone freaked out and panicked? Yeah that was fun. Now yall want the same deal for no price increase?

[solid trout]

noone paniked about that aspect and to argue that is disingenious

[pseudo hinge]

If the answer is more than 0 then I'm astounded by your straightforward thinking

[quartz anchor]

This is bending reality. You pay for the account, not time played on server

[spring kernel]

Honestly I'd pay 1.5x the price 3 days ago for an additional account added per 5 years of consistent subscription :P I'm not picky

[pseudo hinge]

I wasn't aware cvc used discord, interesting.

[quartz anchor]

False. Please go back in reddit and look at all the posts talking about how this should exist already for the same price. And queue the classic "you can have 64 characters on wow".. to say otherwise is disingenuous

I mean there are ample people still saying this

Literally right now

[spring kernel]

I mean tbf it is sorta bonkers they added jagex accounts but not jagex membership

[quartz anchor]

They did survey it and people freaked out

[dreamy fractal]

In fairness, as someone who's both far too terminally online on both wow and OSRS, a second character on wow isn't remotely the same as a second character on OSRS. Swapping to an alt on wow is more akin to swapping to a different gearset in OSRS

[spring kernel]

reddit freaks out over a new foodtype. It's not new

[severe grove]

rip speelbok

[quartz anchor]

I also play both. My favorite thing in wow is when I do a raid, then I have to wait a week to do it again

[pseudo hinge]

Companies should charge money for save files in games, there's clearly people out there with the intelligence to actually buy such a thing

[winged mantle]

I keep backups of my customised spellbook

[dreamy fractal]

Weekly lockouts woo

[south void]

All the price increase has done is convince me, a multiple account player, to reconsider giving them $400+the price increase. (I had 4 accounts on yearly at $99.99 rate now increased to $131.88). So now they will be losing out on that amount because I'm going back to playing one solo account. They lost $300 to gain $31.88. Congrats.

[dreamy fractal]

That's why I play 4 characters

[pseudo hinge]

I see the caliber of respect you have for yourself is certainly breaking records on how low it can go, I'm impressed.

[quartz anchor]

Or I'm trying to farm in TBC heroic and I have to wait a full 24 hours to do it again for my final prebis

[solid trout]

Nintendo has done this for years and somehow people have been stockholm syndromed to accept it

[pseudo hinge]

Just might be wise not to project that onto others who prefer having it

[ancient ember]

So like I mentioned, we can't commit to this intent until the team has thoroughly explored it, therefore I don't have an ETA on this or confirmation. But it's actively being discussed

[solid trout]

yeah its why i quit when they rereleased classic for the like the 3rd time, cause i got pissed at not being allowed to play the video game

but whataboutism is a terrible argument structure

[dreamy fractal]

Or tried to log into retail+tbc at the same time (not that osrs+rs3 can, but it's weird that people think we should be able to)

[solid trout]

FF14 dosnt have lockouts and allows multiple characts

[quartz anchor]

Red herring argument. A nonsensical statement to get a rise, but this shows your inability to hold a genuine argument. Please remain on topic or I'll tell the mods to teach you how to show respect. I haven't called names. So please don't start

[solid trout]

BDO dosnt

Everquest dosnt

[dreamy fractal]

That's somewhat the point hes making to be fair - he's saying pointing to wow having a ton of potential character slots isn't a good argument for OSRS, because what a character slot provides is wildly different. I've no experience with FF14, though, so can't speak to that.

[pseudo hinge]

I'm just noting how impressive it is. I'll take note of how you feel about it though and give it the proper consideration 🙂

[solid trout]

well, unfortunatly jagex have opened themselves up to it by mentioning value compared to other mmos in the price raise blog

they cast the first stone

[spring kernel]

If not other mmo shaped why other mmo equal

[quartz anchor]

Yeah. I also love it when I'm done being a mage. I gotta level a warrior for 2 months if I feel like using melee

[dreamy fractal]

As someone with a maxed main and a 2370 total iron, I've probably spent more hours on wow through my life still and I still think OSRS is the better deal

[quartz anchor]

^

[spring kernel]

a rapidly shrinking "deal"

[frozen lion]

You can be online only on one at a time though. I'm sure players on OSRS would like to be online on multiple simultaneously.

[dreamy fractal]

The only reason I stick with wow is the people

[pseudo hinge]

it'd be the same if you offered multiple accounts without multiboxing because pvp builds, various ironman account types, and a main are all different ways to play.

[gaunt minnow]

having multiple slots on wow is not the flex you think it is

1 osrs character>65 wow characters

[quartz anchor]

This is the worst troll attempt in history my friend. If you made any logical points anybody would bite.

[dreamy fractal]

I'm not sure what you're responding to, you can't be online on multiple characters on wow either

[wheat void]

When you think how many Devs wow has Vs OSRS the price increase we get start to look like a total scam tbh

[frozen lion]

I just said that.

[quartz anchor]

Wow had like 20x more players

[frozen lion]

Contrary to what OSRS players would like.

[wheat void]

Has*

[gaunt minnow]

doubtful

[ashen yarrow]

jagex also tried suggesting more character slots in membership option survey but was shut down because players did not want increased membership cost (even for more characters) and started riots

[pseudo hinge]

It's curious you see downsides in geting more and see more benefit in asking for less. Just absolutely incredible.

[quartz anchor]

20x more memberships =20x more staff

[dreamy fractal]

Yeah osrs players would like to break with that convention, but it's not like other games provide it

[dreamy fractal]

Different sort of games and sizes innit

[frozen lion]

literally not true

[spring kernel]

as opposed to riots when they get increase for zero benefit instead

[solid trout]

yeah, because we didnt want price increases, now we get price increases but no character slots

[pseudo hinge]

I'm sure if we ask for less we will get more

[dreamy fractal]

to be clear it's not like I think the price increase is warranted, but I'm pragmatic. It's still just gonna cost me a bond for 14 days, and bonds are free when you play as much as I do

[ashen yarrow]

now people are saying we lost our bundle discount so we deserve more benefits

[pseudo hinge]

Some friends here are adamant and that seems to be enough

[quartz anchor]

Not directly but we are all capable enough to understand this correlation

[wheat void]

Things don't quite work that way but I understand your argument, the fact is this price hikes are demanded by greedy shareholders that have no regard for the game or it's players, the grandfathering prices is a tactic to keep people sub even while they don't actively play the game

[quartz anchor]

Its a simple statement for simplicity.

[quartz anchor]

The price hike is to pay for the removal of MTX in RS3 to cover loss of profits

[spring kernel]

*greedy new owner. They sold since the last hike

[spring kernel]

Well then maybe they shouldn'ta done it huh

[pseudo hinge]

I'm impressed by your level of awareness of how businesses owned by private equity works. Did your mother raise you to be like this? I hope for your sake that at least she is proud.

[frozen lion]

Slots would be only ok if you could play only one character at a time.

[spring kernel]

i'd be chill w that

[pseudo hinge]

yeah it'd be unreasonable to suddenly be allowed to double your membership hours effectively

[dreamy fractal]

idk seems to be working out for them and not you, seems they probably should have done it if they care about themselves and not you

[wheat void]

Yeah most likely, idk how people still believe this CEO lol

[frozen lion]

nice orange

no sarcasm intended

👍

[spring kernel]

I mean I cancelled one of my three accounts, I'm up 50$ year over year now regardless of their increase

[dreamy fractal]

I'm sure they factored ragequits/cancels into their projections tbf

[solid trout]

Actually apprently Jagex as a whole employs roughly as many people as WoW

[frozen lion]

At this rate of increases OSRS will not in far future be more expensive in 12 month deal per month than WoW per month in single month subscriptions

[spring kernel]

Not really a rage quit, more a "I have x budget for games, and osrs gets about 75% of it"

[quartz anchor]

This statement is nonsensical . Youre just trying to make a mic drop moment instead of making any logical points. Im not asking for less. Im happy with the way it is now. A reduction in bundle pricing is fine with me. But I dont agree for a free second account slot. But I would prefer to see pricing closer to 1.75x for 2 accounts and closer to 2.25x for 3

[wheat void]

Is it really a rage quit or it's people seeing a predatory tendency that will not improve a d jumping out

[dreamy fractal]

I mean call it whatever you wish, the point doesn't change, it's a sudden reaction that they'll surely have factored into their expectations

sadly while they're greedy, they're probably not stupid

[pseudo hinge]

I'm sure you are overflowing with counterarguments on why it is somehow a bad thing.

[wheat void]

Considering the horrible roadmap where the first actual piece of content is in Summer maybe it's a lot of cleaning staff

[gaunt minnow]

all the people threatening to quit are funny because 1. you'll be back in <1 week and 2. it's like 0.1% of the player base

[spring kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[frozen lion]

addicted people saying they will quit because of price change is just short term cope

[wheat void]

Didn't quit, cancelled my sub tho, I could afford lifetime membership with bonds but was still supporting monthly, now will let someone spend money

[spring kernel]

I'm not quiting, yet, but I am lessening the amount I pay

[quartz anchor]

That is typically how different opinions work

[dreamy fractal]

That all said, I'd like a discounted rate on subsequent characters on the same account. Obviously numbers are different across different regions, so use the numbers as a general concept, rather than trying to correct me that they're slightly off but
If previous price for 1 acc was 12 moneys, make new price be 15 moneys, and then subsequent characters on the jagex account be 7 moneys. That way someone with 2x accounts sees no increase, "power users" with many characters actually benefits from this, and "single account" users have a slight hike

[gaunt minnow]

yep ive been doing this for past 4 years

[pseudo hinge]

And your opinion is getting all the consideration it desrves, don't worry

[gaunt minnow]

i actually made about 500m yesterday on just the bonds i bought friday

[frozen lion]

that's drop in the ocean

[pseudo hinge]

Your consumer loyalist attitude is to be studied Tater, I appreciate you for showing us what not to aspire to.

[quartz anchor]

Yeah, you instantly reply to me and are doing nothing else. Meanwhile I'm having ample conversation and giving you the attention you want after I get a break in conversation. Youre eagerly awaiting my reply while I try not to forget you

[spring kernel]

Some people see corpos as almighty alknowing gods. And some see them as kings that you need be wary of before moving on

[wheat void]

Smart man, not worth spending money on this tbh

[pseudo hinge]

Your claim of unbotherednes is noted 🙂 Cheers!

[frozen lion]

its the people who make kings, thats why they were overthrown a lot of times in history

[gaunt minnow]

my reasoning was I'll be paying for this game for probably the next 5-10 years, do I wanna spend 2500-5000 gbp or just pay with spare in game gold

[quartz anchor]

15 money's is a 75% discount. Thats absurd brother

[wheat void]

In 5-10 years it would be 10000 at the rate they are increasing it

[frozen lion]

the fact that now ill have to pay more in 12 month deal than single months packages before change is just lol

[gaunt minnow]

yeah exactly. I havnt given jagex a penny directly in 4 years now

so saved myself a couple k at least

[quartz anchor]

If anyone has read your replies and interactions, they realized you got lost in the formulation of any thought behind the message. You might have better traction on reddit. But I appreciate you voicing your opinion.

[dreamy fractal]

[dreamy scarab]

a lot of them are just here for the short term profit, they don't give a full fuck about long-term viability. if this fails then they will just move on to another product

[wheat void]

They were losing money, they know less people are likely to purchase the 1 year package so they will go to the monthly one

[spring kernel]

"better traction on reddit" says man who talks like he likely spends 90% of time on reddit

[quartz anchor]

Funny thing about that, due to bond pricing you not giving them a penny gives them ~66% more revenue for your sub compares to the previous 6 month sub pricing

[gaunt minnow]

win win for both of us then 😄

[wheat void]

If someone else is dumb about their money their problem, he's being smart lol

Hate auto correct

[quartz anchor]

I always die laughing when (not you) people try and "riot" against jagex by not buying membership and vowing to only use bonds.. its like... congrats you're paying them more

[dreamy fractal]

I do bonds because gold lost meaning as an iron and I'm poor IRL

[quartz anchor]

Expendable income is Expendable. If you're rich and want it. Why not

[gaunt minnow]

I want jagex to succeed and I enjoy this game so if paying with in game gold results in more money then yeah happy days. But I understand the frustration from more casual players who havnt got the spare gp

[wheat void]

I can't care less if they make more or less money, I care about my own money, if you per example spend 5 million € on bonds I can't care less

[frozen lion]

Jagex will never make me pay over half of my income for medieval point n click rpg game.. right Anakin/

[wheat void]

Because I have so many better ways to spend my extra income 😂

[frozen lion]

They are scared they will have to drive 1 year old mercedes instead of new one? damn i dont even have a car

[spring kernel]

lol same

I have feet and shoes

[quartz anchor]

OK? Then you're not the recipient of my statement. The obvious correlation is people trying to virtue signal by canceling funds to jagex and give more funds to jagex

[frozen lion]

I could understand 10% price increase.. its ok.. but 41% ? L0L

[spring kernel]

1.5 years after another equivalent too

[frozen lion]

while my income over last 2 years raised by maybe 10% at most

[spring kernel]

I got a 4% raise last year. And a 80% cut in hours

[quartz anchor]

Then to reiterate, you're not the subject. The subject is the person who wants to buy it. This ain't about you chief

[wheat void]

I think you chose to see it that way, also you believe if a significant number of players stops paying that same number will be able to afford bonds at sky high prices?

They will end up losing players

[wheat void]

It's an open discussion pretty sure I didn't start talking just to you, develop some social skills they will be better in the long run

[stark dome]

Pretty wild they announce the price hike right before the most nothing update

[opal urchin]

Dear Jagex,

I noticed that your recent post(s) on Discord and Reddit were posted attributed to new faceless users. Obviously this decision was made by excutives -- likely Mod North. Can you rename these accounts to Mod North?

Thank you for your understanding,
OldSchool RuneScape Players

[spring kernel]

#5secondboss

[stark dome]

Still waiting on the early march boat combat rework

[wheat void]

It sank

[opal urchin]

In hindsight, this should've come out directly before the cow boss

[frozen lion]

1 second lule

[spring kernel]

in hindsight the cowboss should've been an actual boss XD It insults f2p players

[opal urchin]

the cow boss should take $18 usd per attempt

[pseudo hinge]

Whatever helps you feel in control bud, I support your need to feed your lack. Just let the adults handle the membership bargaining rather than starting the barter from a position of giving up everything. I promise nothing bad will happen to you if you end your obsession with being loyal to jagex, everything will be all right ❤️

[frozen lion]

if you see literally anything at all which isnt bonds or membership for real money, know it is starting to become RS3

[spring kernel]

Can we have a combative dollar sink boss that has a sink hop behind you? Is that enough mtx? Have it be a 1/10,000 pet drop

[opal urchin]

I remember playing Nexon's Combat Arms -- they had the ability to buy moderator permissions, which let you vote kick botters from games, for $7 for one week of moderation power. Maybe Jagex should add this?

[pseudo hinge]

"we need more money for better updates" preceeding a minor UI update is definitely a choice execs made

[spring kernel]

Buyable player mod perms via vote, I hatelove it

[jagged marsh]

Holy shit lol

This isn't the NA version right

[frozen lion]

oh btw just noticed teleports menu swapper just changed with this update

[jagged marsh]

If it's from Korea or China they require your government ID

[opal urchin]

it was NA for sure, but it was a long time ago

[frozen lion]

change back to your swaps guyz

[jagged marsh]

WEEW

[jagged marsh]

Ok this is like peak 2009 core

It would still 100% work on SEA regions that require govt id lol

As insane as it sounds

[opal urchin]

I maintain my position that jagex could've raised the price $1/mo and just said "uhhh yeah we have to pay off our extremely expensive private equity people" and it would've flown much better than what they've said now

[quartz anchor]

They're not quitting though. They would pay for membership

[spring kernel]

Even 1$ per month and said "yeah the ai bubble destroys our server costs". So many businesses are shuttering rn due to it

[quartz anchor]

I made a statement about people who spend the money and you state "i dont do that". So to reiterate you are not the subject of my statement as you attempted to make yourself? Im confused what I did to upset you

[quartz anchor]

Ive been a member since 2004. My account is probably older than you are my friend.

[opal urchin]

yeah

imho the rationale could've been communicated better

[fervent wave]

this gotta be ragebait brah

[pseudo hinge]

#1 jagex shareholder fan (not an actual shareholder)

[gaunt minnow]

litereally none of the increased revenue will go to staff

unless you count the investors as staff

id imagine most of the jmods are just as fuming as you guys

[spring kernel]

the investors staff the company sewer with ---

[quartz anchor]

How? More money, more cost, more employees. It's not a 1:1 but its a simplistic correlation

[opal urchin]

honestly i want to drive this bus straight to andrew & paul gower's house and ask them if this is what they hoped would happen

this whole problem started when they torpedoed the game and sold it

[pseudo hinge]

pretending like delivering live service product updates that are expected already as extra value being offered for the increased cost was an insult to our intelligence

[gaunt minnow]

you just dont understand how these businesses work

[pseudo hinge]

granted some seem to be uninsulted if you catch my drift

[fervent wave]

you are foolish to think the extra profits will go to the workers rather than the owners. why are you protecting capitalism when ur broke as shit just like me?

[ashen yarrow]

I blame AI, server and ram prices going too high

[quartz anchor]

Hence why I said not a 1:1

[pseudo hinge]

I honestly thought the guy was just some slimeball who worked in finance and was defending practices they thought were proper but I see they are just a different caliber of person.

[opal urchin]

especially since things like "basic customer support" are on the roadmap

[quartz anchor]

Also I'm not broke. Im retired at 34. I just like runescape

[spring kernel]

i mean 2023 and 2024 their customer service workers went down from 33 to 28. Let's see when 2025 releases in a month

[fervent wave]

jagex devs will not see a comparable salary increase nor will they hire a comparable extra staff

[solid trout]

than why dont you just buy jagex?

clearly you got the money

[quartz anchor]

Im not a billionaire

[frozen lion]

thats why my appeal sits unanswered for 2 weeks already, i see

[fervent wave]

youre still closer to being homeless than to being a billionaire lmao

[solid trout]

than it was pretty dumb to retire at 34 imo

[quartz anchor]

Ok?

[opal urchin]

can we get the saudi arabia public investment fund or something to buy jagex?

[spring kernel]

lmao

[pseudo hinge]

Retired with a peasant mindest. I find new ways to be astounded by this individual. Anyways, give us multiple alts (at least 2) with membership that can be played with the caveat of no multiboxing and I will sing the praises of jagex and pretend the price increase didnt happen

[quartz anchor]

I mean, my LP will continue to make money for me for 20 years to come at a minimum. I can always renew

[opal urchin]

I think even just one alternate character, simultaneously, would be great value (main + iron or something)

[fervent wave]

my point is stop defending corporations and the elites of the world. its okay to swallow your pride and say that you are wrong brother, i wont judge you

[pseudo hinge]

I don't think its fair to demand simulataneous access for the same price, that's asking for far too much as it is double the server load, something that is a cost we pay as part of our membership.

[quartz anchor]

Why shouldn't someone get paid for a successful business

Im getting my value from it

[fervent wave]

they arent doing any of the labor, you shouldnt be able to profit that much simply by owning

[opal urchin]

okay, i'll split the difference, maybe not simultaneously but definitely should be possible to at least play different profiles (at least 1)

[quartz anchor]

You have the freedom to quit, but you won't. You'll just tire yourself out here and on reddit. Then slowly just accept it

[solid trout]

ok but why not just make more and get generation wealth?

[dry pond]

leave the billion dollar corporation alone they're really struggling

[solid trout]

than you could buy jagex and make the game however you want

[opal urchin]

billion dollar on paper

[fervent wave]

i mean me personally i can afford it but i heard the prices in brazil literally doubled

[spring kernel]

yeah, their dollars make such a bad salad

[dry pond]

it's less about prices and more about principle for most people

[fervent wave]

even a couple weeks ago 100 dollars a year is a lot of money for a lot of people

[fervent wave]

this

[quartz anchor]

Because I'm happy with what I have and I can travel and spend my days with my kids, take them to school, pick them up, help with home work. Play with them etc. I have comfort knowing I'm raising them, and not having to rely on a nanny

[opal urchin]

i think the price increase is fair, but i don't like being misled about the reason or gaslit about it

[spring kernel]

130$ a week ago? A lot, but doable. 170$ a year? Holy butts

[opal urchin]

fact of the matter is that they were selling annual at a very high discount compared to monthly, and they arguably should have never been doing that given that most people pay annually

[frozen lion]

3rd world countries

[spring kernel]

Canada???

[dry pond]

I dont think it's fair given the roadmap this year is 50% temporary gamemodes or garbage, and saying it's for additional player support and anticheating that both have struggled in 2025 is just a straight up lie

[quartz anchor]

I see someone watched Gnomonkey

[dry pond]

Or we havent had content this year and it's mid march

[opal urchin]

i mean even the major bot busting efforts started ~september 2025

[dry pond]

most years have had a pretty big update in jan/feb to start the year out strong

[quartz anchor]

This always happens when they're working on raids.

[dry pond]

sailing was a big update, we are still waiting on combat fixes so the pvm side of the game is still jank

[solid trout]

you have same opinion as X so you are a sheep

nah bro, we are actually just comming to the same conclusion based on facts

[quartz anchor]

So... you haven't watched gnomonkey?

[jagged marsh]

can i just say the reason i subbed to osrs in the first place is because it gets weekly updates?

[opal urchin]

see, imho, price increase before sailing would've made so much sense!

[fervent wave]

private equity is money hungry pigs oink oink oink

[spring kernel]

Is it bad I dk who that is?

[opal urchin]

no, you're one of today's lucky 10,000

[spring kernel]

Look I watch chunkers and snowflakes not people who prostelize about update cycles

[solid trout]

bad, no. Unexpected, yes.

[frozen lion]

It is normal to not care about content creators

[opal urchin]

gnomonkey is a really succinct youtuber who thinks a lot about the game in a long term perspective, which imho makes him quite reasonable and level headed

he doesn't pull punches on jagex but also praises them a lot when he thinks they deserve it

[dry pond]

i thought his video was quite reasonable. i disagree with a lot of his takes at times, but it was very measured

[spring kernel]

Omg I love content creators. But you know ... people who read blogs and comment on what people should do don't make content, they make word barf? Give me real content with work behind it?

[fervent wave]

girl...

[dry pond]

Sen a lot of people saying 'oh but the cow boss was content'

[gentle badge]

Sharing an opinion is hardly equivalent to telling people what to do but go off queen

[quartz anchor]

Yall got spoiled with 2 years ago with mini updates, small quests mini quests, and mediocre drops sprinkled in. We now have an entire team still dedicated to sailing. A team making raids 4, a team making the blood moon rising quest and all encompassing bosses, balancing etc. Let's not forget making a new api client, new renderer, new mobile app, etc. A majority of the team is tied up. Yall complain about quality and are now complaining about quantity. Once these big projects are tackled you'll see more sprinkled in stuff again.

[sullen gyro]

Canada is becoming 3rd world, yes.🇺🇸

[spring kernel]

I mean I'll watch the news, but I wouldn't call it content. It's not .. art? it's just a news show

[dry pond]

If there's an entire team dedicated to sailing why has nothing changed or improved since it was release? Where's the ship combat fixes

[spring kernel]

lmao says the peep from murica land the land of shootings and death

[quartz anchor]

They literally stated next week

[fervent wave]

okay wait i get you now nvm

[dry pond]

You can't tell me that they spent 3 years developing it and thought that the ship combat was in an acceptable place. Nor can you say that the drop rates they proposed were reasonable

[sullen gyro]

We are objectively better in every aspect

[quartz anchor]

Im not saying that

Sailing was awful

[frozen lion]

For me there are even too many release updates, I prefer QoL, make existing stuff more appealing instead of new stuff too often and hard to catch up with content even as very active player.

[dry pond]

it still is, it's a gate skill

[quartz anchor]

It shouldn't have ever passed polls

[fervent wave]

son

[gaunt minnow]

Leave the politics out of the RuneScape game update channel pls lmao

No one cares

[opal urchin]

oh boy

[fervent wave]

we just lying for no reason thr3ee

[quartz anchor]

Anyone with a brain could have forseen how bad sailing would be in osrs world

[opal urchin]

you should've campaigned against sailing, seems like you're in the minority atm

[dry pond]

Yep, next week. So it's taken almost 6 months?

[sullen gyro]

Nope no lies here.

[gaunt minnow]

I think there were a lot of people who said they didn’t want sailing

In fact it failed multiple polls

[quartz anchor]

Would you rather them make a rash decision and destroy it in 3 weekz?

[dry pond]

Feel like my boss would be pretty unhappy if i spent 3 years on a project and then required another 6 months to resolve an issue i didn't bother testing

[opal urchin]

this is revisionist history, because it also passed the important polls

[sullen gyro]

Great...?

[spring kernel]

I started sailing 3 or 4 months after release. Like most updates. After they've been put where they're meant to, not where they guessed

[fervent wave]

go read and get back to me

[gaunt minnow]

It was basically forced in though. Lots of people had worries and doubts and I personally really don’t think it’s a good skill

But that’s just my opinion

[quartz anchor]

Good thing it's an MMO and ship combat is pretty ignorbale atm

[sullen gyro]

You've verbalized nothing

[fervent wave]

you wont do that however because you are tunnel visioned and narrow minded on your beliefs

[sullen gyro]

I've read it

[fervent wave]

just lying again omgBruh

[opal urchin]

i think it's much better than fletching and firemaking

[gaunt minnow]

Agreed but both those skills are also garbage

[spring kernel]

If you think carney is communist ... damn I hope we get to see ur opinion of the ndp rockin that boat

[gaunt minnow]

I would’ve loved more investment into the current skills but that’s not as shiny, new or marketable as sailing

[sullen gyro]

Baseless assumption. I justify my beliefs, I don't assume things. Like you verbalize your point

[opal urchin]

my only desire with sailing is that they continue to work on it and fix ship combat

otherwise, it's fine

[gaunt minnow]

How long have they been promising a smithing rework?

[fervent wave]

you know what im not arguing with someone with thinks the greatest county is the one who has a diddyblud for a president

[dry pond]

Ship combat is allegedly coming next week

[gaunt minnow]

And all we’ve had is giants foundry

🥱

[dry pond]

But they should provide some dates on when we are getting new islands and what not, or at least give an inkling of when we are getting some new stuff

[spring kernel]

I would like sailing to have more cosmetics. But I also want the game to have more cosmetics. Loved Maple Story 2 having almost all gear dyable and cosmetic slots and gear slots. I know osrs would never, but gosh I want it

[opal urchin]

that's what I felt about the QoL updates that got drip fed even thoguh they seemed easy e.g., portal nexus changes

[fervent wave]

@quartz anchor i hope i didnt come off as aggressive earlier because it wasnt my intention have s good night bro

[spring kernel]

C'mon GF is gr8. Big sward go swoosh

[gaunt minnow]

It’s really not great

[dry pond]

Why did we vote on portal nexus changes again when that should be an integrity change

[hollow dirge]

There are multiple plugins on runelite for that. Not everyone wants to see cosmetics on everything, so it's ideal that you can tweak it to your own liking without ruining the experience for others if they don't agree. I do like cosmetics, but RS3 definitely took it too far and would hate to see that happen in OSRS

[gaunt minnow]

Especially when it was pitched as a smithing rework in the yearly poll and all we’ve got is a wintertodt for smithing

That only has value for low level irons and cloggers

[fervent wave]

truth nuke

[frozen lion]

Yeah don't bring transmog n this crap to osrs

Use plugins

[spring kernel]

I think there's a balance to be had between everyone exclusively rocking the same bis and that. Like dyable torva and graceful and such, that's a good balance

[dry pond]

I did see there's a nice new plugin to fix sun kissed bones value

Because it's too difficult to fix something from july last year

[spring kernel]

Not transmog but like ... earnable dyes and such

[frozen lion]

The moment I see people in bis gear looking like this.. I'm out

[spring kernel]

ew

voms

[hollow dirge]

Dyes would make a bit more sense if it was from thematic content for the gear it goes on, like how GOTR gives you dyes for rc raiments

[gaunt minnow]

That was the most annoying part of gw2. Excited to get loot from doing x activity and its just some rare dye

People actually like that crap?

[spring kernel]

I love it, yeah

[opal urchin]

boats, sails, and flags are all painted irl

[hollow dirge]

Yeah I'm on board with those lol

[frozen lion]

ornament kits are fine as long as they still show what players are actually wearing

[spring kernel]

omg having sail dyeing like minecraft flags that need rare dyes to combo would be poggers

[frozen lion]

not like torva looking like some santa or cookie outfit

[hollow dirge]

I like that the best orn kits are also usually flexes too

[frozen lion]

yeah its good as it is

[spring kernel]

yeah. I mean an iron rocking full god rune or something? They earned that. A UIM in mismatched graceful?? It shows you work for your fit

it's a mark of achievement and sets you apart

like blorva

[fervent wave]

i want brutus treads

[gaunt minnow]

Serious question does anyone know if irons can coffer the dmm scrolls ?

[hollow dirge]

we can coffer any item on the GE afaik

[fervent wave]

should be able to now

[spring kernel]

didn't they add the latest dmm today? Or did they miss some?

[hollow dirge]

they updated it today

[gaunt minnow]

I thought irons couldn’t coffer temp gamemoden cosmetics

Has anyone actually tested it

[hollow dirge]

I'm not about to lmaoo

[spring kernel]

my points are too important

[hollow dirge]

I don't see why we would need to anyways, I have so much other shit in there

[spring kernel]

they said you can add to coffer, iron wasn't mentioned specifically afaik

[gaunt minnow]

It’s just for general knowledge

I’m not actually going to coffer my scrolls

[spring kernel]

ask wikiteam

[gaunt minnow]

But from my understanding irons can’t coffer any temp game mode cosmetics

B but like you said it doesn’t mention anything about that in the post so I’m unsure

[fervent wave]

its nearly 6 am gg

gn chatroom

[hollow dirge]

I mean we would've earned it like any other item, not sure why we wouldn't be able to coffer it

[opal urchin]

gn

[frozen lion]

Its logical, they didnt earn it in normal game mode so they shouldnt benefit in it

[gaunt minnow]

Idk that’s just how it’s been in the past

I’m not justifying it lol

I’m just asking if someone’s tested it

[hollow dirge]

Oh gotcha, didn't know you couldn't do it in the past

I mean I guess I can see with it being in a boosted/cracked temp game mode some people might be able to farm points like mad

but I put a decent amount of time in and only got like 20k pts

[spring kernel]

Yeah same. HCIM so coffer can suck eggs

[gaunt minnow]

Did you not go to the breaches haha?

I stoped playing day 4 because the breaches were giving. So many points I capped just doing them

[hollow dirge]

Yeah but I was in lower bracket lol following some guide, it was my first DMM

that was my mistake haha

and I found the gamemode to be pretty boring honestly

so I just got my pts and dipped

[gaunt minnow]

Fair

That makes sense

[spring kernel]

I think most folks found it boring from the folks I talked to?

[frozen lion]

dmm, leagues and any other weird game mode ignorers

[gaunt minnow]

I think it was boring because breaches were too good, I would’ve liked to do other stuff but it was hard to justify it

Like attend one breach and earn 7-8k points or do pvm all day for lke 3k

[spring kernel]

A friend logged in for like 5 mins per breach on like 4 alts and then just didn't play anything other then that. Just did it for points

[gaunt minnow]

Yeah that’s smart as hell I wish I did the breaches on my alts

Would’ve earned bills

Looks like irons can coffer btw if anyone cared

The dmm stuff

[obsidian venture]

Is that worth

[spring kernel]

depends if you like the available rewards

[gaunt minnow]

Depends. If you need coffer gp and have a lot of points it’s probably worth

I was just going to drop to an alt for bond money tbh

Probably will stilll do that eventually

[obsidian venture]

Bought the weapon scroll

[median canopy]

I just want to say whoever did the minigame spell interface did a nice job, it looks a lot better than some of the boxy, text dense interfaces we've seen implemented of late

[velvet orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/534523340275187733/1481270557021311060/image.png?ex=69b2b435&is=69b162b5&hm=482abb8909a0664dc7ddc8604235190e67363221aece6e30854c5afd254c8654& Do we know what changes we are getting a part from the ammo saving?

[velvet orchid]

As a main who needs death coffer money its great value as an an iron id wait until prices go up

[jagged marsh]

New Kraken that drops the cannon barrel.

I don't think they're doing combat formula tweaks.

[velvet orchid]

[jagged marsh]

I'd prefer it they just gave it a minimum hit

And left it at that

Makes it feel unique and much faster

[velvet orchid]

I wish they would do complete overhaul you should do full dmg from your boat

Can give the npcs a lot more hp

[jagged marsh]

Yeah that too

[velvet orchid]

Even if same kill times it would feel better

[jagged marsh]

Increase mob HP, remove normal weapon damage cap, add cannon minimum hits

That's what id do

Or make the cannon more likely to roll higher hits

Scaling with the tier

[ornate needle]

Anyone know if sarachnis instanced cave timer is fixed ot not yet?

[gaunt minnow]

no

its not fixed

[ornate needle]

Thank you 🙂

[gaunt minnow]

mod whatever posted about it earlir

[ornate needle]

does wiki lie 👀 ill do a quick test in a moment and confirm

[gaunt minnow]

lemme fin the message maybe im misremembering

it was in thie channel 1 sec

[ornate needle]

i asked last week too btw might of been then?

a jmod told me back then it was still scuffed

[gaunt minnow]

this 1?

ah I think that's referring something else

ahh loot timer

yeah my bad

[torpid delta]

the respawn is faster, what didn't change was the item drop despawn rate

[ornate needle]

Hell yeah then we in boys 😎

Thank you!! I'll double check in a moment

[sharp cave]

why is the grouping tab a baldman changing his tshirt color and the new minigame teleport icon different?

what genius at jagex thought this design disconnect was a good idea?

[uncut phoenix]

he joining a team

[sharp cave]

or have they finally realised changing the old minigame tab icon to a bald man changing his tshirt was a stupid idea?

they could have easily used this icon for the spellbook

[chrome lantern]

Well one is a teleport specifically and one is a group finder tab

[uncut phoenix]

I think the tele looking like the minigame icon makes much more sense than trying to have the grouping icon

[sharp cave]

right, i dont disagree, my point is they should have the same icon for consistency

[chrome lantern]

Not everything in the group finder tab is a minigame

[solid trout]

15$ a month btw

[true talon]

wildernes indeed

[hard axle]

Jagex changing the UI for the thirtieth time when they don't have to after acknowledging Jewelry Box changes being kank for muscle memory

[opal urchin]

ah this is the british spelling

[gaunt minnow]

any chance we can move bonds accross accounts under the same jagex account without converting?

seems dumb to have to pay 2m to put a bond on my iron, probably lost 5-600m having to do that

[solid trout]

nah not possible, just spend another 15$ a year

[gaunt minnow]

i havnt paid for membership with money since 2022

[solid trout]

well in that case jagex told you they hate you yesterday

[gaunt minnow]

did they?

i made 500m yesterday

on just the bonds I bought friday

[solid trout]

good for you mate

[gaunt minnow]

thanks

anyway

any chance we can move bonds accross accounts under the same jagex account without converting?

[solid trout]

you just made 500 mill yesterday, why do you care?

[gaunt minnow]

because they said about a year ago they were considering it

[solid trout]

nah, maybe with the next price hike in 2028

but i doubt it

[gaunt minnow]

surely they want to inceitivise more people to pay with bonds because it makes jagx more money

[sharp cave]

not everything in the minigame teleport is a minigame either

[opal shell]

Just voicing it here so maybe JMods see it since there isn't an actual text field when you choose "other" as cancellation reason:

Cancelled two yearly memberships due to the price increase. Also, considering OSRS had its biggest numbers ever pretty consistently over the past year it feels really disingenuous to players to cite the quality/scale of the updates as the reasoning for another price hike so shortly after the previous. If that's the case then there is severe project management/executive level dysfunction within the company.

It is not lost on players that we have had two significant price increases in the just-over two years since Jagex was purchased by a private equity firm.

If you need to fuck us to make shareholders happy, at least be honest about it.

[ashen yarrow]

why does everyone want to blame jmods for the financial changes

[ocean cypress]

I think they all are minigames? Just some don't immediately feel like minigames.

[opal shell]

I dont think anyone is blaming JMods

[gaunt minnow]

no ones blaming jmods lol

jmods are probably just as annoyed as most of you lot

[opal shell]

However, we are required to express our frustration to the JMods because they are our only communication line to the executive level leadership of Jagex/CVC. We need to provide them our sentiments and opinions so that they can be passed on.

[sharp cave]

Its a fair point, they are our only line of communication because you can be sure as hell that cvc are not reading any of this shit

[solid trout]

oh nono i am not blaming a single Jmod

im blaming "The Jagex team" (we all know who is behind that signature, its not the jmods)

[rapid badger]

i think rs3 is just a lost cause and they r tryna fix it and by taking away mtx in rs3 the company prob is making up with it by price increase to where the majority of their playerbase actually is (osrs). personally jagex should relaunch freshstart rs3 with player polls deciding content to import from rs3 on a monthly basis. they could then charge 25$ for membership for 2 great games, and rs3 idk rip

[solid trout]

would require RS3 players to actually think.

Many of them LIKED and WANTED the MTX

[gaunt minnow]

good idea mate, fresh start on rs3 and kill the game becasue some ppl have to pay an extra dollar per month

we fixed it

[rapid badger]

its just a thought cuz rs3 is already been mtx for years and it loses any desire to play for me for that reason. fresh start id play and so would osrs players and rs3 players

[gaunt minnow]

rs3 is still mtx

you can buy double xp boosts with money

[ashen yarrow]

they removed direct xp purchases pretty much

[gaunt minnow]

good start but still nmot enough to get me to try it

[rapid badger]

yeah i saw that and they can keep it like that for rs3 i never play it anyway. rs3 playerbase dying and its not gonne be able to get revived after all the mtx in the past and weird changes

fresh start without eoc but rs3, could be a move jus sayinnn

[willow rain]

Not a bad idea to float thru GAGEX

[ornate needle]

@gaunt minnow it is indeed fixed btw

[jagged marsh]

Why would you cancel your grandfathered price

It's not going up for you

You already have the lower price

You're not the shareholders target. The price increase is meant to increase onboarding revenue.

There's plenty wrong with the price increase, but you're not paying for it

[gaunt minnow]

where does he say he has grandfathered price

[jagged marsh]

He had subs from two years ago

Or two yearly memberships

[gaunt minnow]

not all yearly memberhisp is grandfathered tho

[jagged marsh]

Only the monthly?

Well that's weird

[gaunt minnow]

not sure exactly but ive seen a bunch fo emails sayign their yearly subscription si going up

[jagged marsh]

So if you're yearly subbed you don't get grandfather pricing

That's messed up

Yeah I'd unsub if that hit me

[gaunt minnow]

yeah some peoples went up from $99 per year to $132

which is quite a substantial increase

tbf

[inland lance]

These are the only memberhsips that are grandfathered in: "For those subscribed to an active Grandfathered rate (any monthly subscription activated and sustained from before September 27 2024), your membership price is staying exactly the same."

[jagged marsh]

Wait grandfather pricing has a cutoff too?

Ok lol what

[inland lance]

Yepp lol.

[jagged marsh]

I had no idea

Ok THAT is messed up

[chrome lantern]

It has a cutoff but more importantly it can't be a 12month either

[jagged marsh]

I thought it was only targeting new subs

[inland lance]

Here is the full section:

"Am I impacted by this change?

For those subscribed to an active Grandfathered rate (any monthly subscription activated and sustained from before September 27 2024), your membership price is staying exactly the same.

If you’re on a 1 month subscription activated on or after September 27th, or on a 12 Month Membership, your price will be changing. See “What happens to my grandfathered rate?” for further information."

[jagged marsh]

Yeah this is messed up. They need to honor yearly grandfather pricing and add additional character slots now.

Like they need to make the sub feel WORTH it.

Increase the price, fine. Give us something in return

[willow rain]

Americans got the largest increase

[jagged marsh]

A free iron for all members past a certain in game time wouldnt kill the game

[willow rain]

240,000 active players pay the price for 30,000 RS3 losers.

[inland lance]

Yeah the price increase, with arguably less benefits is horrendous and feels like a scam ngl.

[jagged marsh]

Ironman has so much effort put into it but barely any of the player base interacts with it because it's an additional subscription just to play it.

So make it an addon

This price increase is going to KILL Ironman mode

[willow rain]

What it'll amount to, is people like me, and other content creators canceling membership on accounts they dont regularly use.
Instead of having 4 accounts, every day gamers will probably step down to 1 or 2 accounts.
That HALVES Jagex income alone.

[jagged marsh]

Less players are gonna want to sub to another account to play Ironman.

Let alone RS3

[gaunt minnow]

a dual subscription would be cool. 2 accounts for 50% more cost, 1 iron 1 normie

[jagged marsh]

Or pking builds

Granted you can bond those

But still

[willow rain]

Nah, 3 characters per jagex account is the best option at 15/month

[grim pine]

I cancelled both my subs, no way Im paying 30$ a month

[jagged marsh]

Id rather have base sub fee + addon fee of like $5 per month for more characters (on top of a free one gained from in game time)

[willow rain]

You arent offering the entirety of your game to the people if you give them anything less

3 characters per jagex account

[jagged marsh]

3 characters per account baseline would be great. One main, one iron, one pure.

Engage with every part of the game

[grim pine]

One character per account limit on the year 2026 is crazy

[jagged marsh]

I have a feeling this is gonna be our "mtx removal" moment

[inland lance]

Seems like they are taking too much honey from the pot.

[jagged marsh]

Multiple osrs characters per account needs to be the next big move.

[grim pine]

Like jagex had to know this was going to be the response from the community. They arent that tone deaf.

[willow rain]

I played my main maybe a total of 30 days last year. And remained subscribed anyway. Did that for 4 accounts man.
It was my way of contributing to the development of a game I love.

Stopped that now

[jagged marsh]

Bot farms would never use this because one bot ban would take the others out

[opal shell]

My iron has had yearly sub for years, my main and alt were only subbed since late 2024, so not included in the latest grandfathering.

Also, even if they weren't, I still would have cancelled. Whether or not I am the target of the price increase, I still vehemently disagree with them and would rather vote with my wallet to show that.

[willow rain]

I would assume jagex runs their patented gold themselves at times.
Some have gotten caught.

How do you keep a player based economy in such constant stabilization otherwise?

[inland lance]

Man I had just gotten back into the game within the past couple of months, this new pricing really makes me not want to grind anything out cause after my year I am probably not going to renew.

[jagged marsh]

It really bites that I might never get to try an iron if they don't add new slots. Yeah I could use bonds or just eat the cost, but Id rather Jagex get with the times and give us multiple characters like other MMOs.