game-update

[obsidian venture]

No it’s still fine is the point. If sending cms you’d want surge

[brazen nymph]

Are we ever gonna get orn kits for tbow and shadow or we gonna fan boy scythe

[obsidian venture]

It got buffed quite a bit and it’s bis for the bis moneymaker doom

[meager flame]

nah my solution is to fix the bosses and sources of the items before we start trying to change the items themselves in a lot of cases

[obsidian venture]

They need to fix this stuff prior to raids 4

[drifting valley]

You didnt say fix the bosses you said "the items dont need any usecases"

[obsidian venture]

For crush or elemental because currently it’s in a very bad spot

[meager flame]

as is its easy to see why jagex has left it without changes

[brazen nymph]

why not Avernic amulet

[obsidian venture]

Not gonna happen for years at least

[hasty shard]

ermmm ackthually its scythe but who tf willingly melees doom and doesnt lose a single tick

[obsidian venture]

No one

Unless ca

[meager flame]

like pnm is honestly pretty close to fixed

[hasty shard]

you cant use scythe for ca btw

[meager flame]

i think the gameplay of the boss is good now especially since they removed a phase

[obsidian venture]

Ttk for pnm is fine. Drop table is piss

[brazen nymph]

we do need a upgrade for mage amulet since ranged is coming

[hasty shard]

they should make husk/parasite hits guaranteed in normal nightmare

[meager flame]

the drop rate on orbs is still just like sigil level nonsense but they can fix that

[drifting valley]

Just make bosses where you have to use elemental spells and make a crush mega rare that scales off crush accuracy or whatever

[hasty shard]

and then remove the supply drops at pnm

[obsidian venture]

Right but they need to address crush and elemental stuff in general. It’s like adding something to an on-going issue

Would need to adjust inq or mace and go from there

[meager flame]

i honestly think the rate on inq armor is like

[obsidian venture]

The baseline they want to to address is as bad as the bandaid fix the shadow was

[meager flame]

good enough already

[drifting valley]

Part of this could be a reward which buffs or combines armors

[meager flame]

it could probably be tweaked a little bit still but the armor is actually pretty okay

[obsidian venture]

Only till it got released they then starting tweaking stuff

[meager flame]

the mace probably needs to be a little more common

[brazen nymph]

Why is inquisi 30 defence and borderline useless when nightmare is harder than base yama, and u get oath which makes justi useless?

[obsidian venture]

Pnm drops in general do need to be more common is a new raid is going to release elemental or crush stuff

[drifting valley]

They can add a reward called a "fractured plate" which can be used on inq to make it good

[obsidian venture]

Otherwise progression wise, it’s in the bin

[brazen nymph]

Yea it just sucks getting a drop u gotta have 87 crafting to use and split

[meager flame]

like right now at pnm the drop rate on seeing any unique is like 1 in ~110 iirc

which isn't too crazy

[obsidian venture]

And that’s fine but pnm is a horrible grind in general

Excellent boss fight tho

[meager flame]

the problem is that things like the harm orb is just wayyyyyyyyyyyyy out there still

[hasty shard]

orbs rarer than pet btw

[meager flame]

but the actual armor is getting pretty close to being reasonable

[drifting valley]

Horrible cuz of rare drop rates right?

[brazen nymph]

Ya I just don’t get why it drops adamant tier armor and weapon that’s weaker than scythe on crush

[obsidian venture]

Yes and they’ve adjusted it many times

And still doesn’t make sense

[meager flame]

i thank god every day i spooned the mace though

[drifting valley]

If they were to make pnm items heavily needed for this new raid they will go up alot in price and then maybe the gp per hr will be okay even with the rare rates at pnm thoughts?

[brazen nymph]

we got fang and inquisi mace why make a mega when those niches r filled

[meager flame]

the thing im sort of concerned about with pnm drops and the new raid specifically

[brazen nymph]

they need to remove crush from scythe tho

[meager flame]

i think the mace is a very attractive and useful option probably for the new raid

but its drop rate screams please dont come get me for people

[brazen nymph]

Mace should be bis for new raid bro

[meager flame]

it obv wont be bis

the raid will have a crush megarare

[obsidian venture]

Still no as it’s a bad grind for the most part. You’re going from something that’s completely skippable due to ttc and it’s uselessness to something needed

And that’s just bad design

[meager flame]

at least from how they were talking about it

i mean

[brazen nymph]

fang isn’t really mega level is it?

yet it’s bis

[meager flame]

i think its good design to bring pnm into the fold as a progression stop

[obsidian venture]

Like nex and yama also needs adjustment

[obsidian venture]

No

[meager flame]

i just think they need to double check the mace rate specifically

[obsidian venture]

It kinda was for a bit on release

[brazen nymph]

wouldn’t a mega stab be better

[meager flame]

to make sure this makes sense

[brazen nymph]

Since mega crush wep already expensive and less useful than fang

[meager flame]

because actually getting in there and doing pnm is something you can pretty easily do in 2026

[drifting valley]

Fang exists so prob not

[hard axle]

honestly, i blame the community for harm

cuz if it is meta by any means, some people will get upset about how harm is too rare and they can't get it, even though ele waeknesses are super low req generically

[meager flame]

because of the zombie axe

[brazen nymph]

But so does inquisi mace

[meager flame]

its a great weapon for getting you something with enough str bonus to 1 hit parasites and hit the boss etc

[drifting valley]

Yea but inq mace isnt as strong as fang is

[meager flame]

then people can just grab something silly like sunlight crossbow and any powered staff

and go kill pnm

its just the rates

[brazen nymph]

I think more people would care if inquisi mace crashed

Then fang which is already cheap

and easy to obtain

Like a mega spear would be kinda aura

[meager flame]

ayak is also a pretty good item for pnm because it slays pillars for people and its a good sleepwalker weapon

[hasty shard]

i wish harm was just bis because it looks cool

[meager flame]

so we've got the stuff to place the boss progression wise now

[obsidian venture]

I know one dude has been pushing for it but not really for that idea. That being said, I don’t mind a spear

[meager flame]

they just have to make the time spent make sense

[brazen nymph]

I feel same about inquisitor armor

[obsidian venture]

Just all the prayer stuff

[hasty shard]

wait right its good for sleepwalkers too

how did i not realise 😭

saves a slot fr

[meager flame]

ya its good its i think 8 tile 3 tick? on long range

[drifting valley]

They hate the boss so the problem is that...but tbh if the item goes up alot in price due to how good it will become with a new elemental robe set then maybe nightmare wont seem that bad to grind (even though ppl will still hate the grind)

It will be a very nice item to have

[brazen nymph]

why not make a mega blowpipe

[drifting valley]

Somebody suggested it

Its called junas scales or something

[brazen nymph]

that would be useful like mega weapon in tons of content

because if we have 2 megas of melee

We gonna be leaned towards melee content

[drifting valley]

Panic buy d darts

[brazen nymph]

Which has got way more content already

[drifting valley]

But i think the mega rare will be a melee wep

Not range

[brazen nymph]

and I disagree melee isn’t the most fun style range is

[meager flame]

i honestly dont really buy their explanation for melee being more fun

they can just stand you far enough from the npc to make you drag in and out like its melee or just put stuff under your feet to make you move

its more of a boss design thing than some kind of inherent fact

[brazen nymph]

think about all the case uses for a mega blowpipe though like tob

a lot more than crush

[drifting valley]

But we need to fix crush

We need to make it good

[brazen nymph]

Buff inquisitor

and mace and remove crush from scythe

[drifting valley]

Range already op

We already getting insane range rewards

[brazen nymph]

we getting a crush spec wep

[meager flame]

i kinda do think that they could either upgrade inq with another item (justi pls god) or

just project rebalance it and give it real stats besides its offensive bonuses

kinda like oathplate

[drifting valley]

They wont upgrade justi

[brazen nymph]

if this is gonna be melee raid there should be tank and use case for justicar

imo

oath defences should be nerf

[drifting valley]

Ppl want that but tank is useless atm

[meager flame]

its sorta weird that inq got this glass cannon type of concept almost

and then jagex was just like nah nevermind and made oathplate

so now its just weird lol

[brazen nymph]

Ikr bro

[drifting valley]

I also would like to see justi get a use case

[brazen nymph]

oath way too tank

Nightmare is harder than Yama base version for base version and way less rewarding

[drifting valley]

Sadly they design bosses in such a way that you NEED dmg over def

[meager flame]

inq and justi even thematically make sense for combination

[brazen nymph]

nightmare prob best designed boss in game it deserves more love

[meager flame]

because they're both from justiciars

[brazen nymph]

ya u should be able to combine justi with inquisi

[drifting valley]

They will never combine

[brazen nymph]

that would be insane looking too

[meager flame]

its even guthix themed if they want to reach for it

saradomin combining with zamorak stuff for balance

[drifting valley]

U know what i think..just make fractured plates as a drop and upgradr both inq and justi..

This is the upgraded justi

[brazen nymph]

make justi have offensive stats

To be used as tank at tob

And other melee raids

[drifting valley]

It looks exactly like justi

That boss is wearing the upgraded version though

[brazen nymph]

why not make bis crush armor also be tankiest to make it useful without making a ton of new crush content and maybe make tanking a thing

[meager flame]

i mean the crush content is rolling which is why im assuming they probably really want a crush mega

if you think about it we have a decent amount of current crush content we're adding another with the maggot king

if they also add a crush raid

the weapon has a niche built for it

[brazen nymph]

a 2h hammer would be cool like a mega gmaul

[drifting valley]

We need fractured plate drop to buff inq+justi...we need a elemental robe set and heavy elemental weakness in the new raid...a crush mega rare...and junas scales that are used to make an overload pot

Thats my take

[brazen nymph]

what about a Avernic off hand they did make antler buckler why not more hybrid off hands

[drifting valley]

Sure and add a new off hand

That buffs crush

[ember token]

avernic offender

[drifting valley]

It will make pnm more worth doing...since ppl hate it...it will make niche items see some sunlight outside the bank...and we can have overload pot which they plan on releasing anyway so what better place than the "HARDEST" raid yet

And it will give the raid a nice gp boost when you get the junas scales for the overload

[brazen nymph]

Why is oath giga tank better dps on paper than inquisi? For an easier boss?

[drifting valley]

Ever since toa came out they been pumping the power creep

Which i like

I like power

And i do wana be creeping with it

[brazen nymph]

nightmare was arguably hardest boss pre dt2 but we get giga armor from Yama which is easier than araxxor?

[meager flame]

i mean i think the truth is we just pushed jagex to make oathplate too good

[drifting valley]

Tbh i feel oath is good its just that inq is shit

[meager flame]

we also kind of attacked doom rewards the same way because they struggle to find the middle ground of giving people upgrades

[drifting valley]

We need to make inq be in line with oath

[brazen nymph]

why not buff inquisi but nerf drop rate a bit maybe

[meager flame]

jagex either does too much power creep all at once and goes crazy or they get scared because they did that and release no power creep and basically meme sidegrades until people get mad again

and push them to create a bunch of really strong stuff

[drifting valley]

Tbh imo u dont need to nerf drop rate if the item ur going for is VERY good

Thats why the buff is enough

[meager flame]

oathplate is way too good for what it is though

yama is free

oathplate is bis

it doesn't really make much sense

[brazen nymph]

Why would we have to complete hardest raid to upgrade armor when oath is free

that’s wild

[meager flame]

oathplate should be second bis probably

because its a a mid game reward

[drifting valley]

Because of the mega rare

[brazen nymph]

is nightmare not harder than Yama?

[meager flame]

it is

[brazen nymph]

Base version for base version

[meager flame]

the only version of yama thats harder than the nightmare are contracts that almost nobody does

[brazen nymph]

so why is nightmare for 30 defence meme pures and useless in pvm

[meager flame]

yama is probably the easiest avenue in the game to really good loot

well

inq is not useless inq actually is good offensively which is all that matters usually

[brazen nymph]

pretty sure zerker is superior to 30 def anyways

[meager flame]

its just weird that they didnt follow the logic with oathplate

[drifting valley]

Fractured plates for inquis and crush offhand+mega will push inq passed oath in how op it will be

It will all make sense

[meager flame]

at least in that regard it would be fitting

[brazen nymph]

how do we split if we don’t have 87 crafting or gp for inquisitor

[meager flame]

if i had to choose right now between yama nex and pnm giving the generalized bis gear we use most of the time

it would be pnm

[brazen nymph]

lol u need 100m a piece plus 87 crafting to split a drop then

[drifting valley]

Plus we dont really know how op that new crush mega will be

It can be more dps than scy

[brazen nymph]

I hope it crashes scythe so I can yoink one

[meager flame]

realistically torva should've just dropped in a raid though

and had the stats to be bis

but we didnt get that reality

so its weird now

[brazen nymph]

why not make a upgraded torva then for bis armor for everything

I just think upgrade scape makes splitting complicated

[drifting valley]

Torva should work with stab oath with scy...inq with new mega rare

[meager flame]

i mean it doesn't really make splitting complicated they should just let you sell and use items on their own

[drifting valley]

Stab mega rare will require torva

For future

[meager flame]

and if they want to then let you combine items to make them bis then let people

like masori isn't weird

and masori is an upgrade ingredient

[brazen nymph]

we just got a melee armor tho bro we already got bis crush armor its just trash defensively

[meager flame]

im pretty sure they're just making stab armor next time they get around to needing to fill a niche like that

and then they'll maybe eventually think about a stab megarare but i kind of low key suspect

they'll never make that item

because if they do they'll have to figure out how to deal with fang since almost all stab content is high def content currently in the game

so the megarare would have to compete with fang to have a use case

meaning it would have to be insane

[brazen nymph]

wouldn’t a mega ring be more fair to all content tho we keep getting melee content bro

why does it have to be weapon tho

[ember token]

idk did you read the blog

[brazen nymph]

I did but I just think crush is too niche

[meager flame]

or at least if they do make a stab megarare i think it would require a really intentional rollout of like

[brazen nymph]

like if we get more spider bosses I sware

lmao we got too many bro

[meager flame]

creating the content it will be good at without telling people what they're doing outright

[restive siren]

not gonna be very niche if the entire raid is crush. and we dont know what BMR boss is

[meager flame]

for a year before it releases

kind of like how the maggot king suspiciously is a crush boss/crush spec weapon

wonder why they did that

[brazen nymph]

maybe it’s time to say goodbye to nightmare

And just drop a whole new bis crush armor

[meager flame]

its definitely long term planning going on to lead into the crush raid

or at least that's what they're trying to do if the community lets it happen

[brazen nymph]

I’d rather get direct drops

[restive siren]

there is no reason to expect a melee set, they themselves said magic is what they are currently thinking about

[meager flame]

tbf

jagex actually talked directly about how a melee set would/could make sense but they felt like it might be too soon

and a lot of people disagree with them

so they might go for it

[restive siren]

people dont want upgradescape and there is no reason for them to invalidate pnm

so i doubt it

[brazen nymph]

ya upgrade scape cringe

agree

[meager flame]

people just say upgradescape like a buzzword im ngl even jagex does it

they're gonna get it and jagex is going to keep using it because lol the alternative

is something people like even less

which is basically making old content dead

[restive siren]

personally im fine with it most of the time. but i really dont see a point when we have crush armor already

[brazen nymph]

I just think if inquisi bis crush armor should be equal to oath defensively

the chip damage gonna kill us esp if it’s hardest raid

[meager flame]

i see some logic for it so like

lets assume they made a crush set you can upgrade and it works like masori

that would give people a baseline crush set that was accessible and not like

locked behind pnm or tob whatever they decide to upgrade with

and if you want the actual bis crush set you can still go to that other content to combine them

so the people that think pnm is too crazy for example get an alternative

[restive siren]

hard doesnt equal chip defence or armor being important

[brazen nymph]

but if they buff inquisi nightmare would become s tier moneymaking which it should be

[drifting valley]

Crush and elemental weakness should be the two main focuses in this new raid to make it simple

[meager flame]

and the people that dont want pnm to be deleted from the world get the upgrade to make pnm always worth it

[brazen nymph]

and yes defence matters u lose ticks if u have adamant armor

Less dps if ur eating consistently

[restive siren]

depends on how the bosses are designed

on some bosses def is entirely irrelevant

[brazen nymph]

if it’s like tob which they say it will be similar

It will absolutely matter

void is biggest noob trap at tob

one bounce ur dead that don’t happen in oathplaye

[restive siren]

the style of the raid being like tob doesnt mean its gonna have chip dmg

[obsidian venture]

What

[meager flame]

i mean you dont take damage to make void suck at tob if you do tob well

[brazen nymph]

not even jsut chip damage regular damage

U r more likely to block big attacks

[obsidian venture]

Void range is still bis

[meager flame]

tob is actually the example of how no def armor can work and be good lol

[brazen nymph]

no ik range is I was talkin melee

[obsidian venture]

Defense isn’t an issue at tob

Melee is fine till scythe

[brazen nymph]

bandos armor worth the switch

[meager flame]

thats the real trap for most people

[obsidian venture]

Void mage good till ward f and conf gaunts

[meager flame]

they think the bigger melee swaps are good for them when they dont have a scythe

[obsidian venture]

Not at all

[meager flame]

and its not

oathplate making it a little different now obv but like lol

bandos swap is bad if you dont have scythe

[obsidian venture]

Bandos is piss armor in 2026. It’s bloodmoon over bandos. Also void to bm/bandos with tent is negligible

As I said above only changes with scythe

[meager flame]

its also interesting that a lot of people dont realize void melee is actually also better dps than things like bandos if you aren't using scythe

for 0 def stuff

[brazen nymph]

void is way squishier ok take it to general garage door over bandos see what happens

lmao

[obsidian venture]

We are talking about tob

And idk why you’d take that to bandos

Bad examples

[restive siren]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[brazen nymph]

ok ya let’s take 30 defence armor to hardest raid in game

[meager flame]

but yeah this is why people learning should be using void its good damage with the weapon they likely have and they have big inventory space saving

for more brews

[brazen nymph]

Defence totally doesn’t stop damage

[obsidian venture]

Defense is irrelevant there yes

If you suck you suck

[restive siren]

people already do. constantly. on every level

[brazen nymph]

it’s not like boss hits more 0s on u when u have higher defence

[obsidian venture]

Defense isn’t saving you

[brazen nymph]

that’s bs brother

[obsidian venture]

It’s not

[brazen nymph]

blue moon at cox vs void

Significantly more damage w blue moon

taken

[obsidian venture]

It’s called skill issue if you’re harping on def at tob

Now we are at cox. You wouldn’t use void there in general

[meager flame]

yeah but cox is a raid where you attack things that aren't 0 def

[brazen nymph]

ya I can see most of content is geared towards tob players who gatekeep

[obsidian venture]

They don’t gatekeep

[brazen nymph]

easy to say when u got blood fury and scythe on easy mode

[meager flame]

so regular gear is actually better dps

[brazen nymph]

healing 40 hp in a hit

[meager flame]

on a lot of the stuff

[obsidian venture]

It’s either you’re lazy or just want to be carried

Cox is dhides/bloodbark/torso to start

[brazen nymph]

Tob gatekeeping is legendary

Ur crazy

[obsidian venture]

If you’re coping sure

Most folks gatekeep themselves unironically

[meager flame]

cox is a great example though im ngl

did you know inq is actually a great armor set in cox

despite it having low def stats

[obsidian venture]

Used to be yes

Inq Lance was juiced

Even in solo cms

[brazen nymph]

ya till they catered to tobbers and buffed scythe

[meager flame]

yeah like if you dont have full bis today theres probably some inq setup that slaps

[brazen nymph]

All they seem to cater to anymore is scythe users ngl

[obsidian venture]

Buffing scythe was a good call yes

[brazen nymph]

not One orn kit for tbow or shadow

[obsidian venture]

Well it was in the bin and needed content

[brazen nymph]

But two for scythe? Biased much?

[obsidian venture]

So it’s quite fair they did that

[meager flame]

i mean they probably went like

[obsidian venture]

Cms has kits for anc at least

[meager flame]

one update too far with making everything scythe but its fine honestly

[brazen nymph]

there’s a significant melee bias brother

[obsidian venture]

Not at all

[meager flame]

they can now safely work on other stuff for awhile

[brazen nymph]

they even showed that in the thread

[obsidian venture]

They needed to update melee

[brazen nymph]

“Melee is most fun”

[obsidian venture]

And they did

It is

[restive siren]

i have never been so glad that people in here arent game devs as i have been in the past week ngl

[brazen nymph]

It’s literally most boring

[obsidian venture]

Because it’s more interaction

Than literally standing still a mile away and maging/ranging

[brazen nymph]

ok so sniping tightrope with tbow isn’t range interaction?

[meager flame]

tbf

[obsidian venture]

You’re standing still

[meager flame]

all the game designer has to do is throw stuff at you to make you move

[brazen nymph]

no u run back and forth cuz he attacks faster

To avoid damage

[obsidian venture]

Melee matters with distance

[meager flame]

theres actually nothing inherently different with range/melee in osrs

they could easily put you far enough away and throw stuff at you to make you move/drag while ranging

[obsidian venture]

Ideally

[brazen nymph]

Brother toa and tob melee af

[obsidian venture]

But not really the case so far

[brazen nymph]

we really getting a third melee raid wild

[obsidian venture]

Toa is tribrid

Don’t need fang in max nowadays

Iykyk

[meager flame]

you can honestly just drop shadow on everything's head its kind of funny

[obsidian venture]

Ye

Tob is heavy on melee sure but uses other styles

[brazen nymph]

Ur acting like oath isn’t a tank

[meager flame]

i mean it has tank stats like

[obsidian venture]

It’s alright

[meager flame]

its just remixed bandos

[obsidian venture]

Defense doesn’t matter for most things in game fyi

[meager flame]

like bandos has crazy range def and oathplate has slash def etc

[brazen nymph]

oath is power creep tbh

[obsidian venture]

It is sure

[brazen nymph]

Inquisi should be buffed to compensate

just my opinion tho

[obsidian venture]

They can sure

[brazen nymph]

nightmare was hardest boss pre dt2 and I think it deserves to be a s tier money maker

[obsidian venture]

Sure

[meager flame]

i mean i personally probably would make inq have bandos/oathplate tier def stats just because now that oathplate exists

it doesn't really make sense that inq is kinda just in the doghouse for no reason with def stats

or i'd nerf oathplate def stats

one of the two

[hard axle]

The thing i dislike is how entitled people feel about max dps levels. It centers around folks not wanting 20% of the DPS coming from Harm's faster cast speed.

Elemental weakness is inherently super accessible because it's just using the right spell for a 125-300% accuracy and damage, which you don't see this on anything else.

[obsidian venture]

Other way around

[hard axle]

?

[meager flame]

the only thing i dislike about harm is just really the drop rate

the number is just too crazy for the content

[obsidian venture]

It’s been calced dw

[hard axle]

Ayak Confliction is just too strong tf

dhw is not better lmao

[obsidian venture]

Yeah person is def inexperienced but that’s whatever

[meager flame]

the really interesting thing about ayak is how easy the 4:0 with it is

[hard axle]

even if you use ele weakness dhw at olm, u lose thrall damage and it ends up being worse than ayak/confliction iirc

[meager flame]

i thought i was going to actually have to learn something and then realized you dont swap attack styles or anything

[hard axle]

don't get me wrong, it's a solid downgrade compared to the old days of trident/warped sceptre/ibans

but ayak/conflict is just way too fucking good

[meager flame]

i mean thats always the case with thralls

especially in any long form content like a raid where you aren't exclusively maging or pnm or whatever

[brazen nymph]

Dh wand would surpass ayak tho if they added such armor it’s very close at olm and it has 10 tile range which is advantage

[meager flame]

the thrall damage that stacks up in other rooms or phases is way way too much for elemental magic to overcome

they'd have to let you absolutely nuke the olm hand or something

to make up for it

yeah for the olm hand specifically it can compete

now think about all the damage your thrall did for the last 30 minutes to the rest of the raid

and the other hands

it doesn't actually compete at all

[brazen nymph]

Ah yes if u skip all phases and don’t kill boss as intended in sweatiest possible way

just isn’t catering to general pvm players I feel like

[meager flame]

well yeah if you do olm as god intended you just suck

[thick beacon]

think u have to look at a really big picture. lets u say win now ur losing thralls during meleeing ranging all pre rooms etc. it needs to be super cracked

[meager flame]

kinda hard to balance around that

[brazen nymph]

why not bring humidify for potions or water spells fire spells for ice demon that’s what 90% of people do

I haven’t seen thralls at chambers in my life

[meager flame]

you'd bring a magic cape to swap spellbooks if you really wanted to use fire spells on ice demon

and you dont need water spells at all if you're gonna fail and get firewalled you can bring a watering can

not even kidding

it works on the fire

[brazen nymph]

bro like who does that tho

[meager flame]

a lot of people learning solos do it

[brazen nymph]

it’s group content bro

u take out the whole team work aspect by skipping fire wall like

[meager flame]

tbf though idk if you even mage ice demon anymore

you can just bring demonbane stuff and kill it idk how it compares to surge but

[brazen nymph]

I use melee demonbane

[meager flame]

the time save gap has to be shrinking

[brazen nymph]

Personally

but why does the update have to cater highest level always

[meager flame]

speaking of the watering can

[brazen nymph]

lol ima use watering can now

[meager flame]

they should allow the bottomless milk bucket to work on olm fires

so it has a use

[brazen nymph]

that’s nice tech ngl

ima be that one weird guy using thralls now

[obsidian venture]

If you’re in good teams you use thralls

At least one person should have it

In max eff teams everyone runs thralls

[obsidian venture]

It doesn’t

We just find a way to incorporate it

Jagex does not give much updates to endgame folks in the first place but that’s a whole other topic

[brazen nymph]

delve and Yama were last two updates and super hard cow boss? Wtf

lmao bro what

[obsidian venture]

Most of the stuff you’re saying comes from inexperience (which is fine)

[restive siren]

didnt you just say yama is easier than araxxor? cow boss was almost entirely aimed at low levels and f2p

[obsidian venture]

Yama contracts sure. Mod Goblin I believe in this very channel said Yama fell below what they perceived difficulty wise.

Delve can scale to end game but inherently starts off as barely mid

[brazen nymph]

dt2 alienated casual players from quest capes

[obsidian venture]

Cow boss was for shits and giggles

[ashen yarrow]

there have been multiple other updates between those, but yeah if we only select the updates that gave hard content there has been nothing else

[obsidian venture]

It made the general playerbase better

If you were just shit then unlucky

You as in the random player, not specifically you

[brazen nymph]

ya I’m just speaking for my casual brethren but I respect your takes

[obsidian venture]

That’s fine

[meager flame]

tbh i dont really think dt2 bosses are too hard for quest cape gamers

its just the first time they're expected to like

play the game lol in a way

[zenith pike]

prevent themselves from being touched?

[meager flame]

its just weird because people act like casual or new players are these like thumbless idiots that cant play video games

[obsidian venture]

🤐

[meager flame]

and the reality is they can do this stuff like my gf got a quest cape after having never played this game in her life

[obsidian venture]

It’s hilarious

[meager flame]

i'd say all of the quest bosses currently are comfortably possible if you just try

its not like we're telling them to clear the inferno as people who just quest

i do think its interesting to kind of push the limit and figure out how far is too far for a quest boss though

because that line probably does exist somewhere

[hasty shard]

something something yellow paint

[ashen yarrow]

whisperer might be if they do not look up mechanics. Most players actually struggle more on kasonde and the last fight than actual nerfed versions of bosses

[hasty shard]

hcim role is so shit i need it

[ashen yarrow]

its surprising how many do not even know they can activate the blackstone fragment during whisperer fight

[brazen nymph]

dt2 was decent jump from ds2 tho tbf

[meager flame]

same lol

[carmine junco]

My first time through dt2 the last fight was the thing that took the most retires for me lol

[remote ruin]

really? I only really took 2 tries at the last fight while whisperer kicked my ass a dozen times before I made any progress

[warm ivy]

Possibly a dumb question, but if you have suggestion for a raid 4 item, where would one put it...?

[restive siren]

either #1022203837265756231 or https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1479146285444366487

[chrome lantern]

SRA has plenty of places where it would be good if they didn’t make the item itself suck and fixed it by getting rid of the ramp

[meager flame]

SRA would be good almost everywhere you melee if it didn't kill you

they just missed the tuning on the downside

[chrome lantern]

The hp isn’t even the primary issue

It’s the fact that it takes too long to ramp up

I don’t think the hp mechanics add anything desirable or interesting either

But the far bigger issue can easily be seen just by looking at it in tob, where you don’t even use it for any of the rooms other than verzik if you don’t have a scythe

It’s designed to sit below scythe but if you’re not at full stacks it’s really bad

[rapid badger]

an upgraded version of our prayerbook could be cool, protection prayers that protect from chip damage, but piety becomes a overhead. redemption perserve and protect item could all get a minor buff and piety could be minimally more powerful as an overhead, would encourage off-ticking and prayer flicking. random thought but something that isnt game breaking and isnt too much change from the o.g prayers

[meager flame]

honestly this isn't really a big deal its usually very similar to the alternatives at 1 or 2 stacks

i didn't go look at the calcs for every npc in the game but every time i do check something like that out before using it its pretty much always like that

usually pulling slightly ahead at 3

you're probably already past like a salad blade in dps over your last 5 attacks by the time you stack it 5 times

i cant really come up with many situations where you'd only swing a SRA 3 times then lose all of your stacks over and over

to make that actually hold it back dps wise

[rapid badger]

a new armour set with 0 str bonus and no defense but bis accuracy for stab/slash/crush, would go hand in hand with the new prayerbook i mentioned. no idea if it would ever be a good idea just a idea. because guthix is god of balance wouldnt make sense to be style specific to me.

[vivid ruin]

Sra bis at demonics ;p

[minor whale]

I don't think any of these would be really an "upgrade"
Minor decrease to chip damage in exchange for making it impossible to flick offensive and defensive prayers?

[rapid badger]

my idea is to not outclass torva/oath/inquis sets alone, but to be near the same dps just with added difficulty

so more protection, similar dps when optimized

[hard axle]

Super Piety - It can be more max hits or just a lot more accuracy

[rapid badger]

yeah i was brainstorming def not the best ideas but possibly something to think around

[minor whale]

There's almost nowhere you'd be facing so much chip damage that you'd give up being able to camp a protection prayer and offensive prayer at the same time

[rapid badger]

yeah its not perfect

[chrome lantern]

ToB, Nightmare, there’s a bunch of places. More importantly even at 5 stacks it sits in a good place between blade/nox and scythe, but it just becomes an annoyance to actually keep it there. Even if we look at places like Vardorvis it just isn’t very enjoyable to use because you get punished for having downtime between kills/etc. I have blade, rapier, and sra on my iron and it sucks to actually use the sra

[rapid badger]

pray flicking nex possibly

would actually make nex soloable

[chrome lantern]

I don’t think that explicitly making Nex solos easier is ever a goal that should exist

[rapid badger]

yeah its all just thoughts

tryna think of items that would work out for a raid about a god of balance

thats why even if megarare is a crush wep it should have stab and slash as well and outclass blade of saeldor and fang. so its exciting to grind for. unless the crush weapon will beat out current bosses where stab and slash are best there isnt alot of crush bosses to be excited over a crush weapon

[merry verge]

This is my queue..! (🤣 ) Have you had a look at this suggestion yet, by any chance? https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1479324340565835806
Whataya think, exactly what you're looking for in a 1h crush megarare or what? 😄

[rapid badger]

@merry verge only thing i dislike is it should be 2handed prob, to go for the endgame meta, eldermaul/shadow/scythe/tbow and then bring avernic back is meh

but other than that its a decent idea, i just wouldnt feel as right

not a bad idea dont hate me 🙁

just being honest. 2h feels more endgame meta, just make it do all those things but 2handed idk

[meager flame]

yeah but at tob and nightmare thats 2 cases of the hp loss being an issue

dps wise its just better than everything its supposed to be better than in those cases

they both just have additional layers to the reasoning of it probably just not being worth it

like at pnm it does more dps but do you really want to drop enough hp to be 1 shot to start every phase of the fight

that one is managable because you could just eat a shark to start each phase so its probably worth it if you dont have a mace or scythe

in tob its similar to where you could sweat for this thing but you're just opening yourself up to maybe die for not much gain

i do think the interesting and also bad thing about it is that the gap between it and the next best option you can get is like

small enough that the first time you die because of your axe you probably just created such a massive hole to work back from that you'll probably never recover

like if you used a blade vs the axe for 500 hours at tob i bet the blade averaged more purples an hour due to user error

[compact flicker]

Makes hits sound like a rubber chicken

[hard axle]

[meager flame]

i really do want the upgraded piety lol

its so idk easy for jagex and it would make everyone happy that wants one of their drops to just be locked in as something that's actually good

even better if they make that one of the harder drops to get from the raid

just so you never get a cox prayer scroll situation

it would probably be an incredibly valuable drop forever

like imagine how much dex would be worth right now if it had the drop rate of d claws

[round lintel]

Bug I guess

[ember token]

that it says upgrade and not make?

[round lintel]

no, that it shows a super energy instead of stam

[stiff jasper]

Hey, I didnt get any answer regarding my DMM points.
Ive gotten 6k points to get the bowfa recolor (ive had 6k already)

On dmm world ive gotten the points, but it never transferred to my playing account..
Can anybody help with that?
I REALLY was looking for that reward

[frozen lion]

Thank you for being a valued RuneScape Member.

"oh shit here we go again"

[solid trout]

im sorry even as someone who isnt effected, if prices rise and rise the system of paying for each character just becomes more and more outdated.

It feels almost impossible to start a new character now just because the cost has become so redicolus for each additonal character

[analog saddle]

Jagex could we at least just play RS3 and OS at the same time? I mean we're more than paying for that at this point

[dry pond]

Price go up, support go down

[spiral aurora]

Okay I can kind of understand prices going up. But why tf would you need to remove other payment plans?

[olive tinsel]

price go up, give us two characters on same jagex account to have membership for :]

i will expect my royalty check in the mail jagex you're welcome

[ember token]

they already suggested that with the membership survey a year ago

[olive tinsel]

and hiked the price up without even doing it

glorious capitalism

[ember token]

yeah remember how everyone reacted to the survey

if they didnt overreact this probably wouldve been coming with other membership plans like that

[ember token]

so people either have to pay more upfront for membership time they might not even use all of, or pay more per month

[spiral aurora]

I get the feeling this is to compensate for removing the microtransactions on rs3

[sly granite]

As the blog was asking for input for the new raid rewards. I would like some typ of gear that's multi functional. Hybrid gear, doesn't have to be best in slot, just a bit under but combine the styles. With all the gear swapping, it takes a lot of inventory space. Decent All 3 in 1 gear or even 2 styles combined gear would be very helpful. Doesn't have to be a full set either. Maybe just 1 item for now. Just like we have the avernic threads. Maybe a helmet this time or a ring or something for the offhand.

[autumn loom]

Well that pricing change was unfortunately timed

[slender vapor]

Never been a better time to cancel my subscription. The moment the maintenance on the back end is done. Funny how those two events overlap

[tall yarrow]

Well people moaned but most didn’t quit when they hiked prices last time, so they can absolutely get away with this

[slender vapor]

For some reason they chose exactly now to take down my ability to cancel my subscription

[autumn loom]

Lmao

[fervent crystal]

It's actual robbery

[finite prairie]

wat

[rotund bone]

went from 3 subscriptions down to 2 then. Just had a subscription run out. No way in hell I'm renewing it with those prices. So good job Jagex now I'm down to 1, and even justifying that is becoming hard...

[ashen yarrow]

yes the online shop is down for maintenance while they implement the new shop. Sure, it would have been better to give warning few days before but people would use same excuse anyway to complain about it being down

[plush hedge]

People moaned but agreed that player support was lacking, and the price hike was introduced with the reasoning of increasing player support.

This time is a bit different, because a year later we've had no player support updates but they are still raising prices again 🤷‍♂️

[quaint oar]

ah but you forgot

they added an AI bot to the player support

[dark raven]

Rs3 removed mtx and they’ve been putting massive support into overhauling that game. Kinda feels like we’re paying for that because what is osrs doing to justify this?

[wintry fox]

Reminder that the information of jagex directors, shareholders and all of their filings are publically accessible information in the uk, if you want to let them know your displeasure directly its very easy to contact them. Jmods cant really do anything about this since its not their decision.

[restive siren]

ah yes lets encourage online people to harass other people privately, what could go wrong

[wintry fox]

Not what i said, and their private info isnt listed. Its all legally publically accessible information

[sharp cave]

Kind of crazy that runescape is now the most expensive monthly mmo

[wheat void]

With a shit roadmap on top of that

[tender harness]

Why the fuck are we footing the bill for rs3 with these predatory hikes

[sharp cave]

Not even considering the fact that other mmos give you basically infinite characters per sub

[wheat void]

Well good thing Crimson desert comes out this month

[tender harness]

Like genuinely what are you paying for at $14.99 it's disgusting

And the hike before leagues is fucking diabolical

[wheat void]

Paying for content creators events I guess since that's half of the roadmap for the year

[restive siren]

just comparing US prices but wow and ffxiv are 15 bucks a month too no? and they also have expacs you have to buy every 2 years

not looking to argue just not sure what you mean

[tender harness]

Sure, but WoW you get like 60 character slots for that $14.99 you aren't paying a sub per character
Even ff14 is like 10 I think to start? And it's not per character

Jagex cannot justify that price per character it's lunacy

[sharp cave]

Its 12.99 afaik

For ff14 anyway

[wheat void]

As vocal as the community has been about multiple characters in 1 sub we never had any word regarding it, it will never happen

Jagex banks on 2 things, people who play multiple characters, and people that don't cancel their subscriptions even while they don't play

[restive siren]

yeah while i think buying gametime with ingame currency is incredibly easy in osrs thats an absolutely fair criticism, that needs to change. was just wondering what the guy was referring to

[sharp cave]

Thats not good enough, as it relies on someone else participating in pay to win

[restive siren]

ah yeah there is a 2$ discount version if you dont care about more characters didnt know that

[tender harness]

Hikes are getting worse and content and quality of content coming out has been less
Seasonal shit like dmm and leagues has become more of a focus while main game has received less
Pvp in this game is in disarray, road maps in this game have been depressing for the last couple years

We are paying for the removal of mtx with rs3 with another hike in subs. Which fuck that

[sharp cave]

We are not paying for the removal of mtx in rs3 btw

[true talon]

oh no the price went up by few dollars, the worlds ending!!!!!!! give it a rest, you play this game 20 hours a day and will continue to do so even if membership is 50 dollars.

[sharp cave]

It still and will still have it

They just shifted it from keys being a random chance at buying exp to just straight up buying exp

[wheat void]

Braindead entered the chat, welcome sir

[tender harness]

You do know rs3 had like a metric ton of mtx outside of just keys right

[true talon]

Jagex has added so many staff members and content over the years with very few price changes.

[sharp cave]

In addition to having what is probably the closest to a f2p skin shop in a paid game as possible

[restive siren]

i mean its somewhat reasonable to be upset but im gonna be honest, with critical thinking you could see this coming not a mile but a lightyear away

[minor whale]

You can be disappointed in the price hike due to how fucking slow content is releasing and numerous big issues still not being addressed.

If the quality of your content and amount of content is stagnating you aren't getting more value from the higher cost.

[visual nest]

Zip up when you’re done

[true talon]

content is not releasing slow? have you really played any other game l0l

[minor whale]

2025 and 2026 have been extremely slow

[true talon]

wow you pay 15 dollars a month + 100 or so twice a year for expansions....

[sharp cave]

Excuse me dont make up numbers

[restive storm]

It’s more so annoying that it feels like we get more price increase posts than content these days

[true talon]

you get patches every like 8 week which has 2 lines of texts

[wintry fox]

Hes a bootlicker just ignore him

[minor whale]

Since New Year we've gotten a seasonal mode most people didn't play and a cow boss that you greenlog in 3 hours

[wheat void]

Ngl for the content so far this year watching 15€ burn seems more worth it

[minor whale]

And we aren't getting anything major in the pipeline for another 3 months

What part of that is fast

[tender harness]

But leagues is coming

[sharp cave]

Not sure why people feel the need to defend corporations like this

Its absurd

[restive storm]

And everything presented at the summit, was the same stuff presented last summit that the just hadn’t got around to yet

[wheat void]

Probably the only thing he has in his life it's this game

[true talon]

not sure why one of the greatest companies of game developers is being attacked by entitled brats.

[sharp cave]

Cow boss tho!!!!!

[wintry fox]

They managed to bring out quests monthly back 20 years ago, meanwhile we're lucky now if we get like 6 a year

[restive storm]

That’s not real content lol

[sharp cave]

Misses the /s mb

[crimson quest]

Shitty ragebait ngl

[wheat void]

Everyone is discussing you are the one behaving like a total brat tbh, touch some grass my dude

[true talon]

your not discussing, your complaining

[minor whale]

Just like you complain every update that you don't get your ironman catered shit?

[wheat void]

Aren't you doing the same? 🤡

[tender harness]

Last price hike was end of 2024. Lmao

[minor whale]

I certainly don't feel like it's been 30% more value since 2024

[tender harness]

Like genuinely they can fuck off with hikes

[true talon]

I will say they need to start doing jagex acc memberships in which all your accounts on a jagex acc has members

[wintry fox]

65% increase since before 2024

More than the entirety of 2002-2024 combined

[crimson quest]

Smartest iron take

[tender harness]

All the red tape on grandfathered rates

Is ???

[wild fern]

yea i kinda don't get that attack thing too. we all have a great game, great developers who comunicate and listen to player base, constant updates, we can play on mobile, we get sesonal events , constantly added quests, boses , got a news skill raids 4 is coming and you guys just complain to complain...

The only valid complain and actuall considarratio nshoudl be more acounts per membership

[sharp cave]

Which greatest company of all time? The one that fucked up so badly they had to roll back 7 years or so of updates and release a legacy version of their game?

[wheat void]

More inflation than during the 2008 crisis is insane lol

[sharp cave]

That one?

Unprecedented tbh

[wintry fox]

The rates are well above inflation at this point

Its just greed

[tender harness]

What updates? Show me the updates
We have nothing slated till summer
Cow boss was not real content

[tidal comet]

I can still play multiple characters at 12.99 on ff14

[ashen yarrow]

number of accounts per membership, but i do also understand people who complain about the multiple month at once purchase discounts being removed/lowered significantly

[tidal comet]

Crysta payments are 12.99 because they arent taxed

[wheat void]

Cmon we as players are supposed to act dumb and say yes sir thank you for the dumb price increases every year

[sharp cave]

Multiple characters per account would need probably a least another 25% sub increase lol

[true talon]

to be fair, they tried to be ambitious and keep up with modern games, now their game is much better than most games, because they revamped it with player feedback in mind.

[sharp cave]

Probably more like 50%+

[wintry fox]

People dont want to play modern games

Thats why all those studios keep going bankrupt

[sharp cave]

Jagex are not going to dump the money they get from everyones alts

[true talon]

I mean during its time its competition was ff and wow, so they tried to evolve past point an click

[wild fern]

you probably dont understand how much back end work is needed to run everything smothly and taht no developer company can just push content after content

[wintry fox]

They could 20 years ago with less people than they have now

[sharp cave]

It still is point and click though

And yes im talking about rs3

[true talon]

what it turned into with 07 is insane, they were able to take the simplistic design and make it actually good.

[wintry fox]

Are you saying the current devs are worse at their jobs than the devs of 20 years ago?

[true talon]

god no

the stuff they designed is leaps and bounds better than anything from the past

[wintry fox]

At the cost of there only being like 2-3 major updates a year at best

[true talon]

you think of something like the kbd/kalphite queen or even god wars mechanic wise an then compare it to even a simple boss in 07 today

[sharp cave]

Ye only takes a year per quest now

[wintry fox]

When back in the day there was a constant flow of updates

[tender harness]

They created a new account to just strictly post price hikes

[wintry fox]

Quality is nice, but frankly if it means drought for the rest of the year id rather have quantity

[true talon]

quests are difficult to design, because they are following lore storylines then there is also reward space which crowds into their boss space which crowds into theid end game space, so they really have a problem with direction, because they wont rip the power creep bandaid off.

[restive storm]

Agreed, the fact that if you play on an alt, osrs costs more to play than WoW does by a decent amount, even if you include expansion buying is laughable

[wintry fox]

They really arent, not every quest needs powercreep or even any actual impactful rewards

[sharp cave]

At best its equal

[wintry fox]

Again, they managed insane amounts of quests a year decades ago

[sharp cave]

Which is crazy lol

[wintry fox]

At best one or two had stuff that actually impacted your account

[oblique mesa]

Makes sense otherwise you will get weirdos harassing whoever posts it

[wintry fox]

If a penguin quest sequel comes out do you expect it to have pvm rewards?

[tender harness]

CEO should have the balls to post it and justify it

[oblique mesa]

In what world does the CEO post price hikes for their product?

[sharp cave]

Dunno it could why not

Boss battle is some machine the penguins made

[wintry fox]

Because then your quest takes several months longer

[ashen yarrow]

they knew it would get unreasonable hate and harassment, If any company forces single person to post that from their own account they should be investigated

[wintry fox]

That would be taking accountability and we all know they're allergic to that

[sharp cave]

I mean they have their generic account?

Isnt it like jagex support or something on twitter

[wintry fox]

Thats a bot account

[sharp cave]

Bot by who

Jagex?

[wintry fox]

Yes, theres no human behind it

[sharp cave]

Maybe it will with the price increase

[wintry fox]

It didnt back in 2024 when they promised better support

What did we get? An AI bot on the website and thats it

One that doesnt even work half the time

Jagex has some of the worst support in the entire industry but they still expect us to pay the same or more as their competitors

[tender harness]

We got mod north promising rs3 removal of mtx would have no impact
And yet here we are

[obsidian venture]

They should extend to multiple characters yeah

Then it wouldn’t “feel” as bad

[native oyster]

Adding they them option is worth the price increase

[jagged marsh]

Agreed. Might not make an alt because of these price changes. They need a deal for existing subs.

[sharp cave]

They have yet to remove it

[winged mantle]

Gz jagex on fracturing more good faith and trust with the community. Price increase for the 3rd year in a row is greedy. Why are we absorbing the cost of rs3 microtransactions removal?

Give us player support

I don't blame the jmods. This is all stakeholders

[chrome lantern]

Again, the hp loss isn’t the issue, it’s ramping up and sustaining stacks making the weapon useless if there’s downtime or you use another style

[chrome lantern]

This is exactly the problem and why SRA is dead content, it’s not meaningfully good because of the ramp, and the hp just makes it prohibitively annoying to use. It’s practically a megarare from DT2 bosses

[wintry fox]

It is a megarare, it takes the same amount of time on average to get as a scythe from tob

[shut swift]

Cowards. That is all.

[wintry fox]

And considering its not used anywhere besides vard over scythe and you dont need an SRA to start grinding tob effectively, its pretty much dead content for irons

[winged mantle]

Not for bosses where you want to save scy charges and are ok with slower killls. Esp when low respawn rate and not switches

[wintry fox]

Then you'd just use a nox hally

Which is way easier to get as well

[tough nacelle]

It’s pretty insane to be cutting the annual subscription discount

Pricing went from 110 Canadian to 170-180 in about a year and a half

That’s monstrous

We also know devs are not reaping the benefits of this

And content keeps being delayed , we still lack robust player support, no plugins on native application

All the things promised off the old subscription increase have yet to be delivered and now we have another one?

[vivid ruin]

Can we get more meme content for the price increases

[tough nacelle]

I could justify the old one but this one feels like it’s being done in bad faith

[frozen lion]

41% increase in price for Poland with 12 months membership... This is madness

Now 467,88 instead of about 331

Outstanding move, Gagex

[gaunt minnow]

Jagex just made me over500m on my bond investment over the weekend

Best update in years ty jagex

[frozen lion]

I was glad that price for PL was fixed last time, think I will stop paying with real cash for member anymore.. This is crazy forsenBlob

[gaunt minnow]

Still an incredibly cheap hobby compared to literally anything else

[frozen lion]

Tho they probly dont even care since this will make someone else pay for my membership even more through his bonds

[gaunt minnow]

Bonds on top

Been an advocate for years

[wispy current]

Yo jagex this means the devs get a raise right? …right?

[gaunt minnow]

That’s probably the last place the money will be going

But maybe 1 extra pizza party a year

Is more realistic

[gaunt minnow]

Yearly price increases are the norm across every product imaginable

And the fact is that it’s still incredibly cheap and has a free to play option

I have directly paid for membership in like 4 years, probably 5 by now

[oak lichen]

no1 wanted sailing lower price

[true talon]

Ikr spend 50k hours on the game, complain about paying 15 dollars a month lol.

[tough nacelle]

Not everyone does

[upper smelt]

damn, you kiss your mother with that mouth? How deep are you in daddy Jagexs ass?

[tough nacelle]

And even then, that time could literally be spent elsewhere

[upper smelt]

greedy fcks

[tough nacelle]

It’s a 60-70% increase in two years

That’s absolutely bonkers

For anyone paying annually

[oak lichen]

multiple accounts add up quick

[oblique mesa]

If you are a degen addict who plays too much and this is your only hobby then yeah its cheap compared to touching grass / having an actual hobby.

Seems too expensive for casual players tbh

[gaunt minnow]

Gamers happy to pay £100 for resi 9 which is 8 hours of gameplay but not £10 a month for thousands of hours 😂😂😂

Wild to me

[true talon]

It’s almost like companies exist to provide products and services for a price and if they add additional features or staff they need to increase the price to keep up. Also more investment means more development.

Work for a company and understand its purpose.

[unique vale]

Membership is per-character too, not per-account

[true talon]

This is something that should change for real

[oak lichen]

yep its bs

[unique vale]

100%

[true talon]

That way if someone sets up a bot farm you just ban the entire jagex acc

[gaunt minnow]

Agreed tbh

But you should have to pay to multilog

[unique vale]

We have Jagex accounts now, so there's no excuse

[true talon]

Not sure how that would work lol

[gaunt minnow]

That’s how it works on every other game that allows account wide membership

You can’t multilog on the same wow account

[true talon]

Well to multi log you need another acc

[gaunt minnow]

No you don’t

[true talon]

You do

[gaunt minnow]

I’m literally multi logged right now

On the same account

[true talon]

In wow?

[gaunt minnow]

No

[unique vale]

He's talking about Jagex accounts, not characters

[gaunt minnow]

Wow you need 2 accounts

[chrome patrol]

rizzy are you stupid?

[ashen yarrow]

yeah but if we follow wow you cannot change worlds on account

[gaunt minnow]

Therefore 2 memberships

[true talon]

You can’t log two chars from same acc in wow you need two wow accs

[gaunt minnow]

I know that

Which you need to pay for

[true talon]

So in rs you’d need two separate your chars between jagex accs

I think the jagex acc having limited roster slots and you pay to unlock more is better

Or you pay for another jagex acc

Per char is a big issue

[gaunt minnow]

Says the Overwatch player

Cmon bro are you 11?

[unique vale]

Lmao

[chrome patrol]

Brother youre playing a kids game lol

[gaunt minnow]

Nah I don’t play Overwatch

[true talon]

While I think the small loss of the alt revenue they get is worth converting to a pay per jagex acc system

[unique vale]

We found the one person playing OW in 2026

[true talon]

Because it will get more people to make alts and play

[gaunt minnow]

Lmaoooo

[true talon]

They can also justify price hikes but I doubt they will go past 15 since they are now matching wow

Pay per jagex acc could go to 20 and it be worth it easily

[gaunt minnow]

It’s more expensive than wow now right

Iirc wow is £10 per month on the dot, osrs is now £10.99

[true talon]

Dunno I pay both games with in game currency

[gaunt minnow]

Same haha

[finite tapir]

relevant repost (from #old-school)

[gaunt minnow]

Oh yeah I think everyone knows this is just to line the investors profits

[ashen yarrow]

could be different regional prices, in general they are about same for 1month and osrs is still cheaper in 12month plan

[finite tapir]

i mean you say that but

given the attitudes of certain people in that other chat...

you might be having expectations that are too high

[unique vale]

Lol

[finite tapir]

i mean yes

this is just how it is

[true talon]

Not true.

[unique vale]

So true

[finite tapir]

i don't consider the opinions of l**s (or worse) as valid sorry

[unique vale]

Ethics and morality are for poor people like us

[spark agate]

It's kind of galling that they just spring this price hike on us with seemingly no warning that I can see. They could have at least announced it a few weeks ahead of time

[frozen lion]

Ye I would buy 20 years worth of membership in that case

[finite tapir]

isnt it coming next month

[frozen lion]

Now just gonna leech off bond buyers

[frozen lion]

Its already live

[spark agate]

No, the new price is as of today

It's already live

[ashen yarrow]

Like the biggest argument people make against the price increase is the 12month plan discount getting cut very hard. It is bad for people who were buying it yes, but comparing it to price increase in other mmos when even now it still slightly cheaper than other yearly subscription in mmos paints false image on purpose

like saying osrs got 70% price increase while others got 0% comparing the yearly plans alone

[finite tapir]

oh the new price starts today if you're starting it today, as opposed to if you e.g. already had a suscription

[spark agate]

I mean, I have a sub for another 95 days, but I won't be grandfathered in, so for all intents and purposes, it's more expensive already

[unique vale]

A particular private island

[finite tapir]

do you pay anything currently

elon nor anything he touches is anywhere near progressive what the fuck crack are u smoking

reading this is my personal tragedy of 1 AK

[gaunt minnow]

I’m sure some aspects of his companies help people though

[unique vale]

Considering we haven't colonized the moon yet? No

[sacred oracle]

Are .... are you joking? Is this a meme?

[gaunt minnow]

Wait how did I miss this

Climate change is a fact it’s not a debate lol

[earnest vigil]

i think he just enjoys being a contrarian

[gaunt minnow]

It’s natural progression of the planet

[true talon]

While the ice melts I’ll keep chopping my virtual trees

But ya stay on topic

[sacred oracle]

Okay. Well, climate change and other somewhat political issues are out of scope for this channel, so I will be doing a little message pruning to get us back on track.

[true talon]

Price hikes reeee

[unique vale]

Fair

[finite tapir]

i think you meant to say "while the ice melts i'll keep complaining about how irons have it hard when it comes to dragon arrows"

[unique vale]

Price hikes ree

[true talon]

Did someone say dragon arrows

[unique vale]

Imagine being an iron

[true talon]

True

[stark dome]

Removes anti-aliasing
Increases subscription price
Thanks Jagex

[true talon]

Might be to expensive to play an Ironman now the price increase means o get less done for more cost per time, I should deiron and become a main to skip the time paywall.

[restive storm]

Price hikes kill pvp even more cuz paying for like four different account builds gets exhausting

[unique vale]

You don't have a main already lol?

Hey at least the wildy's free

[true talon]

They truly hate you guys

[stark dome]

Yeah idk how/why people multibox at these prices

[dusk monolith]

Don’t give them ideas

[restive storm]

📠

[stark dome]

I just have the one account

[true talon]

As someone who stands alone, I’m not impacted by these price hikes

[unique vale]

I only have members on 1 account at any given moment

[solar juniper]

cant speak of pvp since i dont do it but know the feeling well. ill need to cut down on my 3 actice subs. price increase has basically killed my chunk account before it really go started.

[true talon]

I just buy a bond whenever I want to play alts

[restive storm]

Because you’re required to either have a maxed main, or a very specifically tailored account to be able to reasonably participate in PvP (or you could just be an absolute demon) it makes it really unfriendly to the environment

[unique vale]

Tbf I'm pretty sure most PvPers are furries, and furries tend to be stupid rich for no reason, so this probably won't affect them

[restive storm]

Bonds gonna hit 20m soon, and making that say baby pure pking is just a waste of time lol

[restive storm]

@brisk hill can you confirm?

[unique vale]

Lmao

[solar juniper]

i usually dont play the 3 accounts at once. this month was just an outlier because i completed an afk goal right after my sub renewed. usually only have 2 accounts on the go. though now my main iron and HCiron now have active grinds, i cant really not focus on those 2

[solar juniper]

thats the most idiotic claim ive ever heard XD

[finite tapir]

🟩🟩🟩🟥🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🟥 8/10 | 2026-03-10 | https://scrandle.com

this game sucks bro

wrong chat i meant #old-school

[gaunt minnow]

What does this say about the growth model of this game? I don’t have concerns about this price increase itself, it’s still relatively cheap, but are we going to see this same level of increase (50%) every year going forward? Despite bringing new players to the game?

[restive storm]

They’ll prob just push it til people actually start quitting, then revert the most reason one and implement mtx instead

[gaunt minnow]

Or is this a one off due to mtx being removed from rs3?

So many questions but in the meantime I’ll keep buying bonds

[unique vale]

They gotta make a gacha game to off-set the loss of MTX

[brisk hill]

Me

[dire mango]

Sorry, but shareholder value has to keep increasing. You can't expect the shareholders to be content with stable profits. Every quarter needs record growth. Think of the shareholders' children you monster!

[gaunt minnow]

It’s definitely concerning

Think about the massive growth this game has had bringing in new players this year

And they still need to hike up prices by 50%?

[austere mulch]

Don’t really care about the increase outside of the disappointment that the osrs team isn’t going to see any of that go to deservingly increasing their wages

But thought it was good memes of how they included a section of “Why is my 12 month subscription price going up” and instead of answering that in any of the section they just say “It is still our best value yet!”

And then also them saying this year’s roadmap is the most ambitious yet which is clearly a joke in and of itself lol

[finite tapir]

i might consider maining f2p honestly

[gaunt minnow]

Are we going to need a mortgage in 10 years to pay for premier

[finite tapir]

i sorta like that they almost never touch f2p

[brisk hill]

F2P UIM is pog don’t sleep on it

[finite tapir]

ye i was gonna look into f2p uim skiller

[brisk hill]

Or kick monks & make 99 def prod

[unique vale]

Kicking is strength xp though

[restive storm]

F2P uim is about the only thing that seems interesting to me atm

Games just been barren of content for ages

[wispy current]

Doesnt jagex have like ten times the amount j mods they had like 6 years ago

[gaunt minnow]

F2P Brutus locked Uim POG

[restive storm]

And 1/10th the content releases yeah

[austere mulch]

More heads = more red tape

Truly unfort

[unique vale]

Sounds like some people need to be fired

[gaunt minnow]

What if the raids 4 mega rare was a 50% discount in membership fees

[unique vale]

Lmao

Untradable so pures can't get it w/o getting 30 defense

[gaunt minnow]

Locked behind chivalry

[restive storm]

Between that and an RTO mandate, with the re-addition of their weekly stream, we may get new content by 2028

[dire mango]

It'd qualify as a crush megarare so it should be considered.

[tough nacelle]

I thought they paid almost a billion for jagex

Meanwhile they profit like what 50-60m/year?

[finite tapir]

we're adding a new afk agility method, awarding 56k xp/hr at 99 (80% of ardy rooftop). this method requires one click every 7 minutes. we're also giving 175 strength bonus to the zombie axe.

pures get piety though

would this win a poll

[unique vale]

Hmmm...

[hard axle]

Yes, because dumbasses voted in MV and Deadeye

[unique vale]

I'm gonna say no

[brisk hill]

Can you add multi revs

[finite tapir]

sorry piety's all i've got in my budget

[brisk hill]

Sacrifice the pures then.

[finite tapir]

we can find a way to slot in multi revs but shareholders are looking to double the membership cost

[gaunt minnow]

Honestly this made me lol. Vote no 5 times to a really average prayer then add the most broken prayers ever considered to pures like 6 months later

[hard axle]

If you offset the chivalry and multi revs enough with perks like afk agility for casuals, they will vote yes.

Story as old as time.

[gaunt minnow]

And they pass with flying colours

[hard axle]

Yah, melee and chivalry is basically only used for spec

90% of damage is bolt/magic and they said let’s buff it

[finite tapir]

i presume it passed because "anyone" can get piety while cox prayer scrolls are locked behind either cox or a decent chunk of change

[gaunt minnow]

Just goes to show it’s all about how they frame polls. Frame it as low level iron progression and it’ll pass. Frame it as PKers get more ammunition against you and it’ll fail

[finite tapir]

like you can expect a low level/early game player to have piety

i don't think you can say the same about augury or rigour

[ashen yarrow]

sadly the 12month plan cannot be increased by 50% with discount cuts anymore since that would make it more expensive than single month plans

[hard axle]

They’re stupid for not offering discount membership for multiple accounts

$15 a month for 12 months for 2 accounts would likely yield them more money

same for bonds

[finite tapir]

i don't know how many people actually cancel their subscription from stuff like this but if i had to guess i'd say jagex are more likely to make more money from offering discounted membership for multiple accs on a single jagex acc

even if the discount isn't even that much to be honest

i'm willing to bet more than a third of the active, non-melvor-idle playerbase owns more than 1 account

the psychology of paying 4.99 instead of 5.00 for something compounding on a "multiple dollar" difference in discount i imagine would work quite well tbh

you make the player feel like they're saving, and they become complacent

[hard axle]

2 mains, 1 main-1 iron are extremely common yeah

[brisk hill]

I have:
A main, second main, Med, range tank, pure, zerker, dfs pure, an obby mauler, and we aren’t even talking about iron accs yet

Gf tbh

[finite tapir]

yeah but you're a nerd

[brisk hill]

Srs?

[finite tapir]

must have been the wind i don't remember typin that mb

[gaunt minnow]

I’d love to pay a little more or even add a premium onto claiming a bond to be able to play multiple characters on my account

At the moment I rarely bond up another account because bonds are getting much more expensive

[restive storm]

Main, alt main (bridge tber), 50 def, pure, baby pure, uim, hcim 😭

Smh I forgot the alt 60atk pure and 75 atk pure gf me

[brisk hill]

We are down tremendously

[restive storm]

I hate it here man

[hard axle]

Yah, I already spend on 2 memberships and bonding a third acc is a pain point

[restive storm]

Gonna have to skull trick so many noobs for bonds it’s insane

[brisk hill]

Just smile & start building another new pk acc

[restive storm]

Gonna have to branch out to new baits/skull tricks I fear

[true talon]

They need to shift to pay per jagex acc and get off the per char model, because more people will play if its per acc with limited roster slots and if you want more slots you get another acc, this also helps them ban bot farms by nuking the entire jagex acc.

The short term loss of pay per char will greatly be over come by the benefits of pay per account

They can then do stuff like league points per acc

Allowing you to partake in temp game modes and still benefit from playing your normal acc

[drifting valley]

Just do coral farming lol thats what i do

You make like 300k gp per 2 patches

And they both next to each other

Every 2.5 hrs

[vivid lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-gif-14074610774285494161

[sharp cave]

How about we add the buyable bonus exp from rs3 to keep the cost down?

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-no-disagree-no-nope-never-gif-10399785695290115059

Waste of time that’s nowhere near enough gp/h to be worth

[sharp cave]

Its apparently good enough for rs3 to be "mtx" free so surely it would not count as p2w mtx in osrs too? Right? Right???

[drifting valley]

2 mins for 300k? Not worth?

Ok

[restive storm]

This is what we’re aiming for

Not 250k

[drifting valley]

Whats ur bank worth

[hard axle]

Pay per Jagex acc is dumb as fuck unless it’s like $100 a month, since you can have 10 characters on an account and multi-log.

They’re not going to shoot themselves in the foot for ur benefit unless they increase revenue.

Even if you locked it to one account logged in at a time, it’s not to their benefit to do so.

[true talon]

No they can keep same price, it’s a benefit to them.

[sharp cave]

Danm so greed

[true talon]

They could increase it to like 20 dollars a month

[restive storm]

Idk like 13-15b or so?

[true talon]

Pay per acc has massive benefits

[hard axle]

$20/month

[true talon]

Wow has that model as does ff

[brisk hill]

https://tenor.com/view/bonds-airship-assault-workfrank-roblox-gif-14342780775675594056

[hard axle]

When folks are already raging at $15/month

[ashen yarrow]

would require multi tiered memberships. Which were already shot down from previous survey, so idk if they will be willing to attempt again

[hard axle]

Idk, this is classic PE bullshit ngl

[true talon]

Think of 20/m but you can make multiple accs on that fee

Jagex acc gives you like 10 char slots but you pay 20 dollars so you got members on 10 accs if you want instead of paying 150

[restive storm]

Sounds like a great PvP update to me

[sharp cave]

Lol no chance

[true talon]

It’s a massive benefit to the players and gives the dev more room to make things like acc based points which would get more people involved in their temp game modes and allow them to nuke entire bot farms by smacking down the jagex acc