game-update

[chrome lantern]

I would rather enjoy the content then do garbage boring shallow delves any day

[icy relic]

not really

[meager flame]

The full 30s are just weird because they’re also static

You just have to exist

[chrome lantern]

Deep delving is all sustain and cleaning yeah

[reef laurel]

Doom gives like over 300k prayer xp/hr, 500 darts/hr, and aether catalyst which are very valuable for endgame iron

[chrome lantern]

I don't believe 300k prayer/hr

[meager flame]

So like getting 99 sailing is for everyone

[reef laurel]

Oh maybe it’s closer to like 200 mb I did the math wrong

[chrome lantern]

Even that sounds way too high

[reef laurel]

It’s definitely over 400 bones an hour if you claim

[meager flame]

Dudes should just press the login button occasionally

[round lintel]

Id say like 70k xp

[chrome lantern]

That's 100k/hr

If your 400 is correct

45 shards per * 6xp/shard

[icy relic]

more like bones are completely useless because prayer is a free skill in this game

[meager flame]

We need a new way to describe salvage and demon tears

[icy relic]

so it's basically collecting alchs to offset your death costs, catalysts and dart tips

[meager flame]

It’s not even afk it’s like afh

Away from house

[austere mulch]

I have 275m expected regular loot from doom and according to my tracker, I’ve taken less than 100m of that

[chrome lantern]

Content so bad you don't even play it

[round lintel]

Hydra shits bones, vorky you get some bones

[austere mulch]

Because unless I get a unique or a clue + no supplies, I hit go next

[icy relic]

and while those things are good, they're not worth sacrificing deep delves for

[meager flame]

Like this is what I turn on when I plan to be miles from my computer

[chrome lantern]

I didn't even do vorkath really on my iron and I hit 99 prayer LONG before I was even done with hydra

[meager flame]

Lmao I have no idea why it exists

[chrome lantern]

Not to mention other stuff like VW, frost dragons, etc.

Frost dragons alone are like 99 prayer if you do em off task

Prayer has never been less of an issue

[round lintel]

specilly since you mine bone shards

[chrome lantern]

Eh I didn't do that but it's viable

[austere mulch]

Shit yeah I didn’t even realize how much doom pumps out darts

[chrome lantern]

That's like 1/4 the mining xp as prayer xp

[meager flame]

Prayer is cooked now

[austere mulch]

Toa 2.0

[round lintel]

on my way to 99 mining i banked 96 prayer on my iron

[icy relic]

If you're a new account that skipped everything to do TD into Yama into Doom then yeah maybe you're at a point where the drops matter

[austere mulch]

11k expected dart tips

[icy relic]

but most people do not care about the loot

it doesn't ramp up enough to be worth collecting

[chrome lantern]

92-99 is surely all amethyst though

[meager flame]

Afk bone shards get pray exp from everything also more than 13m prayer exp from just finishing sailing boat

If you actually used your exp you probably are expected like 40m prayer by the time you max your stuff

[round lintel]

1 lvl of amethyst was like 20k arrows

[icy relic]

I drop traded all my frosty bones

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I've fired like 150k of them

[austere mulch]

Raid 4 is giving us 120 prayer and new t90 prayers

Get to grinding

[round lintel]

not there yet again, im a bowfa rocker atm

I do miss my tbow tho

[chrome lantern]

I fired like 20k rune arrows at vampire krakens

[meager flame]

Same

[austere mulch]

Rip

[chrome lantern]

Only got 4 bottled storms too

[reef laurel]

How deep are you going tho? Are you using masori setup? If you’re using void and averaging 1min waves as opposed to 1:30 with masori then it’s definitely more worth on average to claim at like 25 and reset. For context I do 1-26 in around 25 mins.
Rec is 220 in 6 hours.
So in 6 hours widega does 212 deeps and 8 shallows while I do like 230 deeps and 120 shallows. And I claim everything along the way.

[chrome lantern]

3700 kills

[meager flame]

Nobody knows how accurate that emoji is for that content

[chrome lantern]

41 is my pb

[meager flame]

It’s so dog shit I can’t believe it’s in the game

[chrome lantern]

You can see by how relatively low my tears and teles are that I've lost most of my loot

[austere mulch]

Numbers gonna be off here because his 212 in 6hr includes animation time for next delve + spawn time

Unless you’re consistently getting like low 50s 8+

[reef laurel]

No I’d say I get consistent like 102 8s tho

46 on the good end

With really dumb RNG

[chrome lantern]

Seconds?

[austere mulch]

Ye and + 9s or whatever the death animation + deeper delve + boss spawn

Prob a net 10s per wave if being quick

• bank time 2x/hr etc

Definitely more efficient to keep going if you remove the possibility of dying

[reef laurel]

Yeah if you literally never die til yellow light and then claim always more worth

[meager flame]

Doom loot is usually bad enough that you just go until death or obvious stopping point supplies wise

Although it does eventually creep up enough to maybe stop early if you’re getting far enough

[chrome lantern]

The only time I really claim early is if I have like near 1k aether

And sometimes I don't claim that either

[meager flame]

I think if I didn’t have a shadow I might care about tears more

But since I do honestly who knows if I’ll ever even use the tears I do have

[reef laurel]

I don’t use shadow anymore with ayak

[chrome lantern]

?

[reef laurel]

Unless it’s ToA or like kree

Shadow is way too expensive on an iron to use all day

Ayak is free

And very close in dps

On 0 defence I think ayak is better anyways shadows max hit is like 75 and ayaks is 45

Actually the exact same mb

Shadow just hella accurate

[chrome lantern]

It depends highly on your gear and target yes but in max gear shadow is usually better on anything of note

[thick beacon]

if u have extra dps id 100% use it on iron

even if cox hand is only 8% better to shadow its still rrlly good

one thing to not value the shadow as much/avoid going for it in favor of the other megas but if u already have it might as well use

[true talon]

Not if your using two consumables. Example breaking bones into arrows means that bone is not used on prayer making it a trade off to produce arrows instead of being exp.

[tacit wharf]

only if there is a static chance that you fail, and lose the bone

[minor whale]

And once you have 99 prayer the bones become solely a way of creating darrow tips for irons so there's no more trade-off

[true talon]

For irons, but not mains, otherwise irons drop bones to flood the main game.

I dropped over 1500 superior bones and around 50k dragon

[true talon]

But there are methods to save the bones

[hard axle]

It ties them together and prices them somewhere in between depending on how many are consumed.

Unless one is at alch value or shop sell value, it generally only goes down unless the new method is just so shit.

Trust me when I say that this is not the norm, as most irons aren't even 99 prayer.

[true talon]

irons mostly get 99 prayer from slayer tasks using ash sanctifer and also hydra grind + all the other monsters who drop d bones.

[hard axle]

not anymore

Well, that's still an option

but less farming dragon bones

Like I said, the average iron is definitely not drop trading over tens of thousands of dragon bones and the average iron certainly doesn't do 750 vorkath unless they're pet hunting

[thick beacon]

is that a big deal though? some ppl go for post 99. but also thematically it works and u still have to grind the bones to use them

dammo is really wierd rn it is very hard to get ammo back esp darts imo

think they need to creep it hard someway but it just seems that way cuz the current dammo meta is such a low bar

[hasty shard]

im still confused why this is a whole conversation
if they're adding a decent ammo source via venators that seems fine i assume

[chrome lantern]

It’s a conversation because of the way they wrote the blog leading to conclusions that were not intended

[true talon]

our speculation is how it should work. its 100% needed. infact it probably wont have a massive impact on normie price, because more people will be using the arrows if they settle little less, it will also open up a new money maker for players who partake in the new zone.

it will have the most impact on amyethyst, but no1 does that for money anyways

[hasty shard]

lying btw

i need to reread the blog tbh cause they probably said its from another mob but venators might offer too much lol

if its on another vampyrium mob then thats fine

[true talon]

It should be part of the hunter activity

[hasty shard]

but venators might end up as bot haven content cause of the blood shard incentive

[true talon]

just clone antler hunting

[hasty shard]

yeah

[true talon]

This is a perfectly fine system for ammo production

[vivid ruin]

Tass finally using d arrows soon?

[thick beacon]

what do u mean exactly? u think ppl are interperting things wrong or just assuming to optimistically?

[true talon]

ill be very disapointed if its just dragon ammo drops like a scaley blue d hide

[warm storm]

both ime

they are just saying there will be some ammo drops, not a significant source necessarily

[true talon]

Point of this should be to move away from RNG drop sources and add a method to obtain them at a 100% acquisition rate

[warm storm]

isn't that what the seeker things are

[chrome lantern]

Mod Rice literally said the entire reason the statement was in the blog is because dragon talons don't exist in Vampyrium and he wants the lore to make sense as to why they're on the drop table - not talking about quantity or intention or balancing of the table at all

[true talon]

ya but they need to tackle the d arrow sustainment problem for irons

[warm storm]

why? if seeker amy is sustainable at current d arrow power level then you are just chasing the dragon

[chrome lantern]

Tassili has only ever cared about the principle of chasing dragon

[true talon]

because seeker dragon is still better than seeker amy?

[vivid ruin]

Thats the thought process of a main

Not an iron lol

[warm storm]

i have agreed with you about d arrows for irons in the past but this solution meets everything i'd ask for

and it is still not enough for you 😭

[true talon]

what? how does making the current 2nd best, better than the current best but adding a new best fix your issues?

[thick beacon]

right but I feel like doing something like that just to add new extra source of dammo is pretty outgoing they also said in the blog "they want it to be practical not just flashy"

[chrome lantern]

I mean do you know how many times we've had dragon ammo added to droptables

Tormented demons

Colosseum

Duke

[thick beacon]

yes

[chrome lantern]

It's just a drop

[thick beacon]

but this seems diffrent then that imo

[chrome lantern]

It's not a question of whether it's high or low volume

[warm storm]

because all current content is designed around current d ammo power level, which we can now reach

[true talon]

no its not?

[thick beacon]

i think it will be better then current dammo metas but thats jut my speculation

[hasty shard]

the only reason they need a distinction imo is because vampyrium is another dimension entirely

[true talon]

current content is not designed around current d ammo power lmao

[hasty shard]

so you need more thematic closed loop items

[true talon]

you can do inferno with bronze arrow

[warm storm]

i could have worded it better, sure

[chrome lantern]

The drop table is already explicitly intended to be a source of blood shards

[hasty shard]

ofc they COULD just drop dragon ammo but eh

[chrome lantern]

So I would be shocked if they also made it a high source of dragon ammo

[thick beacon]

but maybe it could be both dammo/bshard improvement

[true talon]

considering these are the two big problems for irons atm

i mean blood fury is whatever tbh havnt used one since rancour

[thick beacon]

only problems imo

[chrome lantern]

I don't think there need to generally speaking be updates that cater to any restricted account

[vivid ruin]

Are we talking about the heavily botted/afk'd vyres rn

[thick beacon]

from what ive heard most irons want to see dammo improved

in someway

[chrome lantern]

I don't think it should change on account of ironmen but I will probably never use the dragon ammo I have due to scarcity

[true talon]

this announcement has 100% stired some people who sat silently

[warm storm]

with the currently-planned update you will have access to ammo of the same power level sustainably :)

[true talon]

Im an advocate for change, but im happy either way. you dont need to take my passion for change as a personal gain only.

We will survive..... by just not using dragon arrow.

[thick beacon]

dont think its advocating there have been very massive updates voted in

scar mine is prob best example

think ppl want it to be easier for better or worse

[true talon]

Scar mine was a way to remove the pain point of hop scape without introducing runecrafting methods that produced 100k blood runes an hour lol

[warm storm]

you have 23k d arrows and still don't use them? that is sad to see tbh. it's like leaving a toy in the box forever

[thick beacon]

ye but its so scarce that ppl cant get them back

[true talon]

i lost 5k at doom and decided it was better to not use them untill change happens.

the dps gap is not even that big

[thick beacon]

ive been using dammo constantly cuz i feel dammo will be solved

at some point

[warm storm]

i use mine at raids and any time i wanna go fast

[chrome lantern]

I actually agree with what Tassili says but come to the opposite conclusion

[vivid ruin]

But we're having this conversation anyways

[chrome lantern]

I do think there are some issues where a line can be drawn though

Like Awakener orbs and contracts are just bad game design as they actively discourage people - whether irons or mains - from attempting challenging content

[vivid ruin]

Thats actual content locked behind a rare drop

[tacit pendant]

Dragon ammo is like potions, but d ammo doesnt really have many "chores" to do to upkeep em

I guess send tons of melee colosseum or afk brutul blacks for an eternity 🤢

But bolts it barely matters cuz rubies are rubies, matters quite a bit for doom id argue

[sacred oracle]

I might not mind if dragon arrows were given the scar treatment: give irons a very expensive way to create them so they're able to have some dragon arrows, but not affect the main game supply of them

[warm storm]

ruby dbolts are significantly better than addy

[tacit pendant]

10% if using zcb as dps weapon yeah

[warm storm]

that's the easyscape solution that i am kinda torn on. i would personally benefit greatly but it doesn't feel good

[tacit pendant]

But, most irons i know are fanging nex, bofa levi, etc etc.

Doom shoulda dropped d arrow tips imo. Not enough to upkeep but like leasen the blow

[warm storm]

would be cool if the grubs didn't consume ammo somehow

[tacit pendant]

I mean they consume a normal amount. You could ammo switch ig but

[sacred oracle]

I don't see why they shouldn't. Ammo sinks keep prices high, and it doesn't really cost that many arrows. You just buy more.

Grubs do consume more than usual, though, because it's a 1-tick situation

It's easy to burn through your dragon arrows there

[warm storm]

yeah for irons doing doom it's common to switch for 8+

[sacred oracle]

I'm also pretty okay with dragon arrows just being a resource irons only have sparingly. It's a restricted game mode. They don't have many dragon knives either, I'd warrant.

[tacit pendant]

Grubs dont need changed. You probably shoot less grubs every 5 ticks than if they removed the phase and gave doom hp to compensate

[warm storm]

just an offhand comment, idrc about grubs lol

[tacit pendant]

Fair nuff

Def fine with more sources of d arrows. Adding them as a drop from a slayer mob you craft feels pretty fair.

I would doubt xp will be good if they are dropping blood shards and d ammo components

But well see 🙂 could just be fucking cracked like tds or araxxyte tasks

[median wing]

u should be able to break down the dragon full helm and get ~10 dragon arrowheads from the spikes on it

[thick beacon]

the thing that bothers me is meta with shadow/scy is to always use at full power. but thats not case with ranged at all

imagine if the meta was to use weaker shadow or scy constantly

the main reason u can actually use scy/shadow is cuz runes always been buyable/ez to get

[sacred oracle]

You can, though: It's possible for irons to grind dragon arrowtips

In this particular case, though, some irons have decided that the grind for them is too hard and not worth it to them—which is fine. It's a restricted game mode, and not everything will be something that feels worth doing, I imagine.

[thick beacon]

its not worth at all though is general consensus. everyone settles for amethyst for most part or rune

[chrome lantern]

On a related note I used DMM to get really cheap orbs and practice Awakened DT2 and I have to say orbs are still an awful system. Finished all 4 awakened bosses within 24 hours on my iron thanks to it though

#achievements message

The possibility of me just getting screwed over and running out of orbs would've been horrendously bad

And I already went past rate just getting my SRA in the first place

[thick beacon]

i only had i believe 25 orbs from getting magus/ultor

like 6 attempts per boss

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I have everything from all 4 bosses except the pets but I'm not a pet hunter

Actively discouraging people from attempting content through stuff like orbs is an awful system

[true talon]

Fuck why didnt i think of that lol.

[chrome lantern]

I have 70 more orbs in DMM b1 if you want em

[true talon]

i jsut got 94k points an then pked

im in b3 now lol

i gave all my money away to my friend

[chrome lantern]

Well they were only 15-25k on the DMM GE :p

With swap rates that's like 10k ea

[true talon]

ya its ok, i got a main with 500 orbs

im just lazy

it also requires me to do DT2 lol

which i cba

for the DMM practice

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I did it for fun

The hard part of the awakened practice was only having 55 max hp and not all the damage gets reduced by Titanium

[true talon]

ya i woulda done that if it was my focus, but i wanted to get max points an then pk people XD

stuff like that is why orbs are stupid anyways

[sacred oracle]

What would you prefer the cost to attempt to be instead?

[vivid ruin]

I feel like orb should just be more rare, 1 time use, untradeable and forever unlock awakened

[true talon]

0 and the supply cost/dying like the rest of the game

[sacred oracle]

I believe the intent of it was to provide loot for people who aren't doing the content, as well as impose a cost on endgamer pvmers attempting the content.

If it were 0, other people doing the bosses would be rewarded less

Neither it nor the contracts appear to be very popular with some players tho

I'm not an especial fan of orbs/contracts myself, though I do get what they were trying to do.

[true talon]

Awakener orbs do not add much value to dt2 bosses

Like 154 orbs from 5k kills would add to a total of around 60m at current prices or less than 10% of total loot. more gold would be sunk from people learning awakened and dying than orbs.

[minor whale]

I mean
At current prices they definitely are still a solid amount of the average gp/kill from the bosses

[true talon]

Maybe before bots sent the orb price into the floor, followed up by oathplate taking over which sunk it even less.

[minor whale]

Sorry that's 10x wrong

5k/kill at Vard and 12k/whisp

It's not an insignificant amount regardless

At Duke specifically 300k/hr of the profit is orbs

[true talon]

they can improve the gp/h at those bosses by removing orbs and ingot

removing two awful systems would benefit the content greatly

[winged mantle]

Orbs are just a bad idea that got implemented

[true talon]

I kind of understand it, because they wanted to try an create that world first hype type of deal

however all it did was prevent people without the bank roll to be able to do play it.

[winged mantle]

Thankfully it's not too late for them to do something

[chrome lantern]

If the issue is that orbs are part of the gp/hr and people don't want that removed then it's pretty easy to adjust the drop tables to keep the same gp/hr. It would probably even end up as more gp/hr since, as mentioned, orbs have gone down so much over time.

[vivid ruin]

The drop tables could use a slight cleansing anyways. Bro doesnt need bronze equipment

[chrome lantern]

I don't really take any issue with "troll" drops because they can easily be compensated for by dropping slightly more of other stuff

[austere mulch]

Half the issue with orbs is that they wanted mid game players to be able to profit off supplying end game players with some sort of resource that allows them to do a harder version of the content

That idea alone is whack because you’re then keeping yourself from designing the content for a specific target audience (late to end game players) and instead trying to give something to everybody

Never been a fan of systems like that

Let end game content be for end game players

[austere mulch]

I think the bronze is funny lol. At least it is the first time

[winged mantle]

This

[hidden root]

Some feedback for the name of the necklace:

I feel like Desolation fits the theme of rancour and confliction better than rupture would for this necklace.

Anguish -> Desolation: Because anguish is a deep, soul-crushing grief, its "end state" is often a hollowed-out sense of abandonment or emptiness.

I hope this also resonates with others better than Rupture.

[winged mantle]

Also amulet of deso is easy to say

[chrome lantern]

The best ones I've heard so far were lament, turmoil, and desolation

Not hard to be better than rupture though

[obsidian venture]

Lament is nice

Ruptured dn

[obsidian venture]

Speak it louder

[chrome lantern]

Awakened vard was super fun I would do that fight all the time if I could

[true talon]

The issue is it punishes the end game players for having an additional entrance fee to take on the boss they want to fight.
I doubt any player would want to sit there an fight the normal version of the boss, esp if they can take on the end game version, but because the end game version is not only way longer to kill, but also has a entry key which leads to an automatic loss, its not worth even doing it past once. it would be like farming the fight caves, despite being a grand master....

[warm storm]

what's the point of an update without some rocks to mine nearby as well

[true talon]

And it punishes people from actually doing the content

[chrome lantern]

You just made me remember that it's technically possible to mine Ancient essence

[hidden root]

Although lament is a beautiful name, it is a temporary expression.

Lament is a cry of pain. Desolation is the empty space where the pain used to be.

Just fighting for my take 😉

[true talon]

and you can fish zulrah scales XD

[chrome lantern]

Yeah but that's actually viable

Ancient essence is a dumb resource because it barely matters

[obsidian venture]

Hm?

[chrome lantern]

And apparently you mine it really slow too

[chrome lantern]

Likely referring to infernal shale

[true talon]

just needs more uses like as does sunfire splinters

[chrome lantern]

They tried that and somehow made non-heart magic boosting worse

[obsidian venture]

I mean it shouldn’t have been mineable and dropped in lower amounts

[chrome lantern]

Ok not worse

But they didn't make it better

[winged mantle]

My favourite boss fight that I can't do repeatedly

[true talon]

sat heart is the only reason heart is the value it is

that shit was useless before sat heart

[chrome lantern]

Saturating a heart is less than 3m

[obsidian venture]

As in wanting more of this or?

[true talon]

I hate heart, because it prevents overloads from exisiting 🙁

[chrome lantern]

I don't want overloads or the heart to exist

I just want actually useful and divine magic potions

[obsidian venture]

Genuinely not opposed to overloads

[warm storm]

i was just chiming in to your "let endgame be endgame" by noting the many times other players are included in the updates. i'm also not a fan of it, generally

[obsidian venture]

Ok I thought this but wasn’t sure

[true talon]

yes another pot to go with my divine range, divine combat, now divine magic!
What if we had another pot that just boosted all 3 hmmmm?

[chrome lantern]

Saturated heart has a stranglehold on magic being viable outside of raids

[chrome lantern]

[[Totality potion]]

Frick

It was a failed reward from ToB

[warm storm]

sat heart is so insanely good where it is good

[true talon]

failed, because people back then were stupid.

[warm storm]

game changer at pnm

[true talon]

Also divines didnt exist

they didnt enter the game till SOTE

[chrome lantern]

I would support a Totality potion long before I would support an Overload

We don't need to push more content to brew on the 15

[true talon]

i dont do this or care

Entire DMM i just used hardfood lol

[chrome lantern]

TIL that Zaryte vambraces were polled from ToB as Vampyrium vambraces

[true talon]

chambers i think had an entire melee/range/magic armor rewards propsal.

[chrome lantern]

It did

And blessings

[true talon]

Current chambers need less rewards

move claws/dinhs put ancestral on its own table

hitting 1/5 is some bull shit

with 60% of the rewards being scrolls already

[round lintel]

Id remove door, dhcb and buckler out

maybe a new slayer boss type

[chrome lantern]

"Tables" are just a convenient way to look at RNG. Moving drops doesn't mean others become more common, and that's what happened when they took half the rewards off the table initially

[true talon]

Door DHCB and buckler on its own table, claws moved elsewhere, ancestral on its own table

[round lintel]

No nobody said it would make purples more common but is just more likely to get something meaningful than the same door 3x

[true talon]

claws combinable with burning claws

lemme having burning d claws pls

[obsidian venture]

Yeah accessibility is a funky lil thing. I’m for it most times but it hold such a vice grip on letting them design content which pushes folks to progress and if better

[true talon]

Did you know it takes longer to get full ancestral than a tbow

[hard axle]

this will be fixed in the next mage armor powercreep

where any ancy piece gets consumed

1-3-2 components

[chrome lantern]

I did know this

[austere mulch]

not if you just get ancestral first

[true talon]

Thats why im waiting XD

j/k i need to farm chambers but i out here doing rumors

[round lintel]

Jeez why?

[true talon]

dunno, i just went on a skilling binge after sailing, got 99 sailing, 99 woodcutting, killed 16k frost dragons, got 89-97 hunter and also played the hell out of DMM.

[round lintel]

I got to 65k points

Then I got bored

[true talon]

I got 94k + made like 300m swapping

and did a lot of pking

[round lintel]

Nice

I just went noob pking

Did my infernal cape and my quiver

Got close to 2k total

And mostly breaches

[true talon]

you shoulda logged in for the breaches till 75k points from them

its super free an you can get 5k per breach easy

[round lintel]

I just got bored

Doing muspah

3/5

Kinda unlucky almos 800kc

[true talon]

ya i just logged in to pk and go to breaches

then logged out an did hunter rumors

[sharp cave]

u did 800kc of muspha on dmm?

[round lintel]

No

Main game

Haha

[sharp cave]

was about to say god damn lol

[round lintel]

I mean im autistic but not in that lvl

Not even in leagues i can stand killing a boss over 100 times

[round lintel]

Except for vard

[round lintel]

Ofc

[true talon]

I actually had to kill more muspah in leagues for ven bow than in main game

with 5x rate

[sharp cave]

yeah i had a similar experience with sire

[round lintel]

Almost 1k to finish bludgeon

3 daggers and bludgeon 6 unsired

In 1k

[sharp cave]

got mine under 600 + dagger

7 unsired here, on leagues all i got was pet in a similar kc, the rest was whips lol

[round lintel]

I think sire was one of the few task i didnt fully complete in my regions

I did do all fight caves/inferno/jads

[sharp cave]

i did dragon trophy so i didnt have much choice tbh

[round lintel]

Same

But 64k points I still could spare several tasks

Like the churn butter

Haha how tf u even do that?

Is a mistery to me

[true talon]

use a bucket of milk on churn

[round lintel]

F thst xd

[chrome lantern]

I got 99 cooking churning cheese

[round lintel]

Now gonna milk the cow boss

[true talon]

gives you an unlimited milk bucket

think of the possibilities??

[chrome lantern]

30m afk f2p cow milking and cheese churning

[sacred oracle]

Still desperately holding out hope that clogger comments have been heard and the cow amulet offers a teleport to the western cow pasture

please i'm begging 🙏

[austere mulch]

<- non clogger who would also really appreciate that

[ember token]

should be a reward from the hard mode

[vivid ruin]

The one south of fally?

[sacred oracle]

the one east of draynor manor

there are several clue steps in the area, and all of them are a pain to get to

[vivid ruin]

Oh gotcha

[sacred oracle]

this spot in particular is curiously long to get to

you'd think you go to champ guild and take a shortcut over the river, but alas you cannot

[meager flame]

is this just for clues

[ember token]

yeah

[sacred oracle]

and if you're running from draynor manor, there isn't a stile or anything you can hop to get over the fence so you just end up going all the way around

[chrome lantern]

Fastest tele is like

Draynor tab or glory

[sacred oracle]

been a pain point for a long time

[meager flame]

tbh idk what i even think of that

[chrome lantern]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1466496435297189888
Consider

[ember token]

getting there is really not that bad at all

this idea has just come up because it's relevant to the cowbell

[chrome lantern]

Yeah

[meager flame]

its mostly just because if we need a teleport to get to a clue step because we're not efficiently completing them fast enough

[sacred oracle]

It's pretty bad

[chrome lantern]

Honestly they should put the cow boss in the north cowpen anyway

[meager flame]

what are we even doing tbh lol

[vivid ruin]

Eastern pen isnt bad to get to compared to west yeah

[sacred oracle]

And it doesn't feel like it needs to be

[ember token]

its like a 30 second run from draynor

not exactly the castle drakan wall step

[chrome lantern]

There has never been a worse fate in existence

[sacred oracle]

There are worst steps, but that doesn't mean it can't use some qol

And this is probably the best shot we'll have for it

I was super excited when I saw cow amulet then crushed when I saw it tps you to the wrong pasture

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-are-we-the-baddies-surprised-gif-19176339

[sacred oracle]

[frail marten]

wish the crimson kisten was actually a good mainhand weapon and not just a spec weapon. it looks too good to be equipped once every couple minutes for a single hit

[vivid ruin]

I guess they're trying to not kill off abyssal sire. But, lets face it... its time

[frail marten]

it's time.

or at the very least it could be a whip-and-dragon-defender level 2h crush weapon

give it 105 crush, 88 str, tweak the spec percentages to keep the intended spec dmg

the bludgeon remains, but the kisten ends up as a slightly stronger weapon with a powerful spec, from an endgame phosani's-level boss

[vivid ruin]

Looks like it should have some bleed...

[meager flame]

i do think they should be doing a crush main weapon and not a spec weapon

but like

i think the point might actually be to add rewards to the boss without actually adding something that really matters aside from the necklace

its basically filler reward space that if we never got a crush spec weapon it pretty much would never matter

but it fits in enough to feel like its worth being on the table

they probably want to save the actual crush weapon for another boss so they have something compelling to drop from it basically

[frail marten]

i think adding the kisten might actually be worse than adding nothing at all then
it takes that awesome model and constrains it to a 'filler reward' that either nobody will use or, when it's used, is equipped for one or two attacks and then you return to your other weapon

if they want to add a crush spec weapon, make it interesting and impactful, not just 'not actually adding something that really matters'

[meager flame]

i mean thats about as good as a crush spec weapon will ever be

unless they decide they want it to just be the only spec weapon people use anyways

i think the bottom line is that when you start making spec weapons for a specific style of melee combat

its just not really going to be that interesting

assuming its actually balanced they're just claws in another shape that you pull out because the boss is weak to a certain style

they can obviously fill out that reward space with tons of items and get really stupid with it eventually like heres the water magic spec wand

but it wont ever be exciting

[frail marten]

i think at a certain point it's not worth it for them to design / implement them then

[meager flame]

i mean im sure they like it because they can give you items that are actually good like the range necklace and also add other smaller things to the drop table

and you know eventually once they run out of space just move up a tier and go insanely horizontal again for another 10+ years

i do think it just feels like meaningless clutter though tbh

i feel the same way about their apparent melee only food direction

[frail marten]

i actually like that

it's an interesting food concept

but i just wish they made the kisten an actually good mainhand crush weapon instead of a spec weapon.

[meager flame]

i kinda think they keep trying to make food interesting and its just not interesting lol

part of it is because it doesn't have real gameplay like

you're gonna click your food when your hp is appropriate for clicking the food

and they can make the heal delayed or whatever but your gameplay doesn't change

you simply go back to attacking

[languid ravine]

melee only food?? woah

12 seconds to do it seems like alot

life steal with extra steps

[meager flame]

its one of those times in a game where they give you this giant explanation for how an item works and then it turns out you basically could've ignored that for your entire life and it runs itself and the gameplay doesn't really change

all you need to really know is to not overheal yourself with it and that it wont work using range or magic

and then maybe at some point a million years from now there will be some random usage for it

but im pretty sure we'll just ignore it and use brews most of the time or use it the same way we use current hard food

[languid ravine]

yea its probably overcomplicated yet doesnt add much

something simple but adds complexity would be ideal

[random grotto]

Will there be ever a possibility for wilderness content to take payment directly from GIM group storage instead of personal bank?

[frozen lion]

no way bandos armor for f2p LULE

[sick sand]

Boooooooo

BiS crush best look as good as this mace and not like a 1 handed default mace/iron mace when it eventually comes

[fiery matrix]

Wish it had been Nox Halberd for crush

[sick sand]

Yeah it really has put a downer on the weapon for me, would love an inq upgrade

[fickle cairn]

no mention of when DMM rewards will be available for purchase, anyone know when we can claim those?

[fiery matrix]

I just think that its weird that a phosani level boss has 2 uniques and one is good and the other super niche

When the event ends right?

I remember reading that

[sick sand]

Yeah the mace is nice though on iron doing speed ca's without scythe

But this new weapon should have been the crush fang equivalent

Goood against High Def mobs

[fiery matrix]

Kinda betting that that is coming from the new raid

Hence why its not here

[sick sand]

Doubt it

They said it was coming for yama

Crush weapons always get back benched

[ancient ember]

The Deadman: Annihilation rewards will be available to purchase from Nigel in Lumbridge Graveyard on the 25th of February 🙂

[solid wasp]

Nexus teleports when?

[ivory cargo]

downtime tonight or nah?

[shadow wave]

No downtime today

[ivory cargo]

tyvm

[hard path]

sarachnis instances and bigger erb bag when 🙁

[hasty phoenix]

aww still no nexus teleport additions

[ancient ember]

Nexus teleport additions are planned to come with the next week's game update 🙂

[bronze kernel]

[median wing]

dang nexxt week is gonna be fire

cow boss, nexus teleports, dmm rewards

[placid shuttle]

Yes

[weary stag]

p2 kq doesnt attack

in the event

kq fixed

[ancient ember]

Sorry, could you clarify this?

[weary stag]

After phasing kq it loses agro and for some reason there was no option to click to attack it, the option was there after I left and tried a few different npc's in the event tho

[winged scroll]

@ancient ember Audio books from blog i can't find it and the url seems to be wrong

[brisk belfry]

does anyone know when we will hear more about the summer sweep up?

[ancient ember]

Which client were you using please?

[vague viper]

Hey! The link works fine for me!

[winged scroll]

this is the url that's redirecting to me :
website of audio/no-search-results?keywords=runescape

[ancient ember]

This is the URL in the blog if it helps https://www.audible.co.uk/search?keywords=runescape

[winged scroll]

"No results for "runescape" in All Categories"

I will try using a VPN,

[vague viper]

That's not what I get when I click that link. VPN good shout!

[winged scroll]

I found the problem, seems that in Kosovo Audioble it's not available :/

I really wanted to hear those books in Audio while i work

[round lintel]

No cow boss? @vague viper

[lean ibex]

2 days ago announced cow boss would be 25th

[weary stag]

I was on runelite, I didn't think to check on mobile/official sorry

[tender harness]

can varlamore diary let us reroll affixes in colo

[paper zenith]

did the wiki page layout just change for desktop, or am I somehow getting the mobile one? not a "game" update but this feels like the best channel

[oblique mesa]

Same layout as always on desktop for me.

[paper zenith]

strange, must've changed something on my end then. Thanks!

[zinc galleon]

Did they disable aus bh because of the sir puggers video? 💀

[minor whale]

No shot Jagex gives a shit about Sir Pugger the video faker lol

[meager flame]

im low key surprised they dont just ban some of those people

[zenith pike]

jagex should update cerb to take more damage from sara strike specifically

[meager flame]

lmao for all of their great creators they have a few that they could probably afford to lose

[mortal merlin]

How long will anniversary event run?

[shadow wave]

Events typically last two weeks

[crimson quarry]

I understand what their point of the cannonball recolor is but they did the picture in b/w, is that on purpose?

[hard axle]

What if Biden blast

https://tenor.com/view/walter-dog-bang-gif-18192743

[median wing]

what about bidet blast

[hard axle]

Oh okay

[median wing]

oh wait this is the serious channel mb

[zenith pike]

the electricity is important, otherwise no weakness

[tacit wharf]

that picture isnt in black and wite

[zenith pike]

I dunno who that is, but why he look like he's winding up a punch that'll heal me?

[crimson quarry]

Because it is a healing punch.

[zenith pike]

that's so nice of him

[crimson quarry]

I'm not gonna share it here, but if you're interested, search something like Kid punch Ice meme

[blissful topaz]

@vague viper has the f2p new player change "left click bone bury ground object" been confirmed? when is it coming out. thanks -hank

[zenith pike]

understandable

[alpine pilot]

hey guys, did jagex mention why they changed blood moon flail from 50 to 60 atk?

[minor whale]

The Ivandis flail upgrade from the quest?

[alpine pilot]

no, the spec weapon

its 50 atk in the jan 25 post

[minor whale]

It got a stat boost to be essentially just a dragon claws crush version spec weapon

So it got changed to match dclaws requirements

[vivid ruin]

-# nevermind

[minor whale]

I assume they didn't want a weapon on par with claws with actually better pvp ko potential to be available at 50 attack

[alpine pilot]

ah sounds fair but its a shame

i was excited to get something apart from gmaul and granite hammer

thanks for clarifying tho ❤️

[noble vortex]

Use the menu entry swapper plugin on runelite.

[sly venture]

Yea that plug in is God sent. I use it for so much stuff.

[indigo tinsel]

Some of us are on mobile

[vivid ruin]

He is talking and left click burying a bone thats on the ground which isnt possible

It isnt a right click option either

[indigo tinsel]

We gotta fight for our rights before we fight for our lefts

[noble vortex]

Ahhh interesting

[vivid ruin]

He posts this same post everyday opposed to making a suggestion which he was told to do multiple times lol

[noble vortex]

Thanks for the info

@blissful topaz Please create a suggestion in #1022203837265756231 so you don’t have to repeatedly ask in the channel.

[flint knoll]

Today's DMM bug fixes and tweaks coming in 2 days before the mode finishes is genuinely amazing. Obviously, we played the game mode just fine and could live without these fixes. But waiting this long to make these corrections is just no good. I personally submitted a bug report regarding 1-min thralls within the first week. All of this to say... none of this surprises me. It's just frustrating.

[blissful topaz]

i did but nobody replied

[noble vortex]

Very likely that it just wasn’t an appealing suggestion then 🙁

[blissful topaz]

well i replied to the new F2P suggestion thread because i didnt know i had to create my own

[noble vortex]

Ahh yeah create your own

[blissful topaz]

but i just need the info if its being implemented or not because jagex themselves made that suggestion on a official game blog post thing

so i dont know if they need suggestion about a thing they themselves brought up?

im confused

i saw it on osrs official website

[blissful topaz]

@noble vortex

i made a post can you remove it

i feel attacked

[noble vortex]

Let me take a look

[blissful topaz]

instant down vote and stuff

[noble vortex]

Where is your game suggestion?

Well down votes are apart of it all

Suggestions are expected to have negative reactions

[blissful topaz]

should it even be up as an suggestion since jagex themselves have made a post about it?

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/new-player-improvements---2025-and-beyond?oldschool=1

[noble vortex]

Yeah why not?

Helps to gather more input from the community

Well your post is only a few minutes old are you sure you want it removed at this time?

[blissful topaz]

yea ill make a new one if needed

that has more details

i wish it could be made as annoumous so i wouldnt get downvoted by people who dont like me

[minor whale]

I'm just saying that you should probably just be patient if Jagex themselves said they'd like to work on it. It's a f2p update for an extremely small qol feature, I wouldn't be surprised if it's gonna be an update that only gets added when they've got a slow week

[ember token]

additionally, mod goblin said recently that they were basically done with the new player improvements

[blissful topaz]

alright

thanks

[minor whale]

At some point pinging a JMod every time you think about it is gonna get seen as malicious lol

[dry walrus]

Are they going to release the herb sack upgrade update?? Didn't it pass a poll?

[oblique mesa]

Soon ™

[shadow wave]

We also forced them to add a Sarachnis instance which means additional work implementing that, Q&A, maybe redesigning the entrance as he webs don't really make sense for entering an instance, etc etc etc

If it was just the sack it'd probably be here by now

[sharp cave]

will the realm of memories stick around after the event?

would be nice if it did

[ember token]

it didnt before

[sharp cave]

rather strange why not put it into the mueseum somewhere?

theres that other muesum place with old stuff in it

[ember token]

idk

[subtle oyster]

Do we know if theres going to be any update on account recovery? That was on last years roadmap for autums but never got any updates besides it is hard

[sharp cave]

they really fixed the dropped items clipping issues in grimstone dungeon in probably the worst way possible

[austere mulch]

Solve one problem, create three more

Can’t teach it

[minor whale]

How is it worse now

[sharp cave]

everythings floating now

[ember token]

well you cant normally turn your camera like that lol

[sharp cave]

yeah i mean sure, but its the worst way possible

[meager flame]

Tbh that’s not even a fix that’s just an identical problem in the opposite direction

At least it’s harder to see I guess

[nocturne solstice]

How is it the worst way possible when the problem was you cant see it and now you can see it?

[sharp cave]

I suppose you are right, the worst way would have been to just remove the floor entierly

[nocturne solstice]

Id assume based on everything else floating that that's where the ground actually is. The slanted ground is just visual.

Like the collision box is higher

[sharp cave]

it looks like they have squashed the models for the cliffs and floors while yeah, leaving where the actual ground is teh same

resulting in objects, npcs and the player floating

its fine now, but its specifically worse on 117hd with shadows being disconnected

and while thats not an issue now (cos its 3rd party), it will be when the offical hd comes out

🤷

[languid ravine]

i thought they did a update where items align to ground angles

[nocturne solstice]

I wouldnt say squashed. I think it was intentional to have slanted floors there to make it a bit more dynamic.

I dont blame em for a plugin issue either. They only work on the official client after all.

[sharp cave]

yeah, right. But when offical hd comes out with its own shadows they are going to have the same problem?

its just a rather janky way of fixing it

[nocturne solstice]

Dunno, if it is a problem then id be on your side of the fence

[sharp cave]

and things have def been squashed or made "less tall"

the top level is now totally disconnected from the bottom

[nocturne solstice]

What i mean by not squashed is that i dont think they shrunk existing tkles. They made new "half tiles" to give the ground some slant to em.

I think that "objects floating above X" visual issue has been there forever though in one way or another

[sharp cave]

there wasnt this disconnect pre todays update

[nocturne solstice]

Interesting, coulda sworn i saw it in other places. Not grimstone.

[sharp cave]

i guess its not that deep, its just a strange way of fixing it

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah just a quick fix, flip value and what not

So its above the floor and other objects

Im just happy to see my loot now haha

Ive been relying on ground items with the item names

[sharp cave]

yeah its barely perceptible as floating on gpu, but we will see if it ever bites them in the ass when they add their own shadows

[nocturne solstice]

Inb4 the shadows float too

[meager flame]

tbh its insane to me still they have such a massive issue with zfighting and objects in general being above or below where they want them

they must have really barely made the change in time for sailing at all costs lol

[sharp cave]

the stranger thing is they would have surely been designing this dungeon with the zbuffer changes in mind since its a deep sailing requirement area 🤔

[ember token]

i mean i dont think they designed anything in mind for not having the updated renderer ready

[sharp cave]

then theres zfighting issues here? like how? did they not check the event before pushing it live?

[meager flame]

its kind of unfortunate that they're flopping so bad with their client and everything

it feels like a lot of stuff was depending on their new client existing but now everything is just screwed lol

because we're not even going to use it without plugins

i kinda wish we could actually talk to them about the plugin hub and their client/hd and so on

bc just as a normal player it kind of seems like what they should be focusing on is getting the SD version of their client out with a plugin hub

and then HD

since that would address the players who actually play their game the best

that might be a lot harder than just focusing on getting hd or whatever ready from their pov but like

of the 145k online players right now 127k of them are using runelite

the only way anyone will see the benefits of their new renderer is if they address that first

the really insane thing about that number is you have to wonder how many of those non runelite players are like hdos or even an unapproved bot client

[minor whale]

I get what Jin is saying
Sometimes it's really noticeable when things are slightly floating because the things nearer the camera change angle slightly more so it feels sorta like everything is sliding around

It's definitely better than under the floor

But it's amusing

[cursive vector]

Does anyone understand how seeker arrows min hit is supposed to work? Wording in the blog is quite misleading/confusing

Blog says we currently have a minhit of 1, which is wrong (we have a minhit of 0, that is rerolled to 1 if we hit that roll, which is completely different)

Like basically are we gonna roll 2-max, and 2 rerolled to 3, or acctually 3-max?

Edit: im silly and did not read all the way through. Way it currently works it does close to nothing for tbow, which is unfort :/

[ember grove]

I remember kieran being interviewed a while back and saying that the jmods also just use runelite

[tacit void]

🐄

[compact flicker]

Moo

[rough frigate]

Whatever logic you guys used to make gary follow the player the way he does in the anniversary event, that is EXACTLY how i want to see actual player to player following work too

there's no slack in the following at all, no getting stuck on anything, no problems at all

truly incredible seeing what's really possible with following thanks to gary

[still sundial]

but would we still be able to follow-dance?

[rough frigate]

i would imagine there's a path where one way following is really tight like gary and two way following still carries the benefits of dancing

anything is possible

[silk thicket]

Not rly possible without signicant reworks to the game
Gary has PID on you
How do you work movement if both players movement is prioritised? What if you try to hit me with melee and I try to run away?

In the current system if you have PID you’ll hit me because your movement is processed first, and if you don’t have PID then you won’t hit me

Movement is a competitive action

[minor whale]

The absolute best they could do is make following work like use-item-on running works

[gaunt minnow]

Or just use an item

Why we changing core mechanics that have been part of the game since release

[minor whale]

Because it's a bit silly that the follow programming is objectively worse than the use item programming to execute the same action and is the same number of clicks and one of them is called follow

[true talon]

It’s because it’s already developed, the idiots at blizzard started a war on addons recently and had to revert most their changes, because it ruined the functionality of the game lol.

You don’t need to reinvent the wheel, you instead purchase or support the almost finished wheel.

[meager flame]

tbf jagex already had the correct plan which was the opposite of what blizzard was doing

they wanted to create the api for players to make addons for the official client like what wow has been doing for 20 years

then just self destructed by backing out of that and working on an hd nobody will get to enjoy

since it will be on an unplayable client

[eager stream]

I think the main risk of something like runelite/weakauras is that it's a business risk - if the developers of the plugins walk away, your game suffers
So the stupidest thing to do would be to just ban/remove the plugins, it's literally triggering the risk you're trying to avoid.

although blizzard is not always known for being smart

[meager flame]

i mean blizzard ran the correct strat for like

22 years lol

they just decided to shadowbox a non issue and harm themselves decades later

jagex though wasn't doing anything like that

they were actually doing the really smart thing and creating a place to make plugins on the official client to get away from basically being stuck to runelite forever

im not really sure how they decided to put that on hold in favor of other work for their client since anyone actually using their client in the first place was depending on the api for plugins otherwise they'll just stay on runelite forever

so now they're kinda building a renderer for nobody until the day they get back to their api and put it in

[candid canyon]

sorting chance on sailing pet when

[sacred skiff]

Once everyone has 99 anyway

And not a moment before

[hard axle]

diablo 2 was legitimately on pace to be the best mmo alive

and then they refused to update it

and then 25 years later, they decide to follow osrs and update their best product

like... buddy

whoever the CEO or decisionmakers were at the time

need to be lobotomized and ousted from the gaming industry

[kind tide]

Ehh MMOs were in their infancy at the time, Blizzard had a pretty unprecedented run for a long time and they weren't realistically to know how badly the issue would metastasise

Blizzard suck for a bunch of unrelated reasons, don't get me wrong

But it is pretty interesting to compare the two approaches and outcomes

[sharp cave]

More like blizzard undoing 20 years of addon apis

[hard axle]

People wanted more of D2, they refused and kept trying to peddle new things instead of just sticking to what worked.

They went down the RS3 route imo

[sly basin]

most of the playerbase are p2p they dont care about f2p

f2p is like 1% of the game

[tacit wharf]

i do love how the walls look at doom but these super high walls on the way back, do be very annoying

[chrome lantern]

Apparently Mod Goblin made a new post on Reddit asking for suggestions on an upcoming poll, so I made this suggestion for this Discord here:
#1470446902163144736 message

It's continually annoying how much stuff gets shared exclusively on other platforms that you will just never see if you only look at Discord and official blog posts, like I and so many other people do.

Especially posts soliciting specific feedback/suggestions would be perfect to share in #developer-news but as I mentioned in my post a general hook/bot posting JMod reddit posts/tweets would be great as well.

[zinc galleon]

yeah i really hate reddit but what keeps me there is jmod presence, which isnt as evident here. i should just stop using it anyway idk

[sharp cave]

the website could do with some cleaning up tbh

at the very least it should show more than the 5 latest news posts

its especially bad during summits when theres 10 news posts and half of them are immediately "archived"

[meager flame]

I mean tbh

It should all be on their own website and in game

Reddit and discord are both right now showing why with people having privacy concerns etc

There’s no reason for the game we play to be stuck on social media platforms when they’re more than capable of doing things themselves in game and on their official website

Like what are they gonna do if discord self destructs make the official osrs teamspeak? Lmao

[ember token]

return of the forums

[meager flame]

im actually genuinely curious what they're going to do if discord doesn't back down

since more than a few channels in here and maybe just this whole discord will get the id verification treatment

[nocturne solstice]

I imagine it wouldnt affect the majority of people or anyone on this server? The ID verification and all the privacy controversy is to access 18+ content. The game and server are 16+ or 13+ so nothing should change for anyone here 🤔

[meager flame]

yeah but from what i've read they will basically have to automate the sorting

and people have said more than enough crazy things in certain channels here

[chrome lantern]

Yeah, like ||insert crazy statement here||

[meager flame]

ideally and most probably those channels get auto locked with the id thing and jagex just deletes them

and remakes it

[nocturne solstice]

People do say crazy things, thankfully people still report em to get em deleted/banned

[nocturne solstice]

Discord might auto age restrict channels on people's servers? now thats wild

If they do then I can see that being a huuuge mess for em

[meager flame]

yeah theres no other way to do it

[nocturne solstice]

nutty to see considering how unrealiable AI is which i imagine is how they'd automate the whole thing

[meager flame]

its just interesting because idk how you even really go about that even though its the only way to handle the sheer volume

[true talon]

tool is only as good as the user. sad but true.

eating soup with a fork isnt gonna work like using a spoon

[meager flame]

like do you just let people say anything and ignore it but try to flag nsfw images?

that seems kind of flawed

and if you go based on what people are saying

does that mean anyone from who knows what year could've said something to trigger it? lmao

it seems like an insane mess

i also have no idea how you moderate things after that happens to prevent it from happening to a channel randomly

[minor whale]

They already have a (flawed) AI which detects images in non-nsfw channels and blocks them, there's absolutely 0 shot they'll auto-restrict channels lol

Discord is doing the absolute least that is required to follow the law of the majority of their users' countries

[meager flame]

its not law to do what they're planning on doing though at least not to the scale they plan to do it

they just want to sell people's data

that happens all the time the main reason people should be against this is that they already tried something similar in the uk iirc

and had a massive data breach nearly immediately

[sharp cave]

Ngl I do think the discordpocalypse is a bit overblown, ppl lose their mind that their data will be sold then happily use chrome without an adblocker or tracker blocker

[meager flame]

the main thing is just that we already know discord cant be trusted with any real info like your id

[sharp cave]

Dont think they wanted id? Correct me if im wrong but it was just a scan of your face wasn't it?

[tacit wharf]

in some instance it was

[meager flame]

i think it was both like you could upload a video of your face or do other things

either way though i dont think most people are trying to do stuff like that for their chat app

[sharp cave]

Sure but at this point its more like a social media platform than just a chat app

[meager flame]

yeah but the same could be said of social media too

[vivid ruin]

When can i add music to my profile

[meager flame]

realistically discord is just going down the same path of everything before it

adding a bunch of crap until one day something new releases without all of that and replaces it

like i was mostly joking earlier about teamspeak but if you go look at it

its already basically 2016 discord without all of the extra stuff nobody wants anyways lol

someone is going to do that and get some motion eventually

[gaunt minnow]

So what would happen to the people who refuse to give discord their real ID

They’re just locked out of the channel/server completely?

Seems so fucking dumb

[meager flame]

yeah probably now that's not a huge deal when it comes to osrs right like lol we shouldn't be doing anything that would get flagged here

so if any channel in this discord got flagged somehow for verification i imagine jmods would just delete and remake that channel

its mostly about what happens inside of people's private servers, can you reasonably trust discord with any of your info in the first place etc

[vivid ruin]

Its a British problem. They should just make it so that if you use a computer, you submit your ID and thats that. Idk why websites have to be a part of it

[blissful topaz]

lol imagine giving out ur ID to access an computer, free world etc

[vivid ruin]

Yeah but UK isnt free :p

[sacred skiff]

Tbf Britain is already a surveillance state moreso than even the US

[blissful topaz]

they get massive tickets for pouring a cup of coffee into a drain

[sacred skiff]

Well yeah cuz it’s like a tiny Boston Tea Party

[blissful topaz]

and some other ridicilious stuff

[vivid ruin]

I dont want to get too deep into this conversation but they enjoy laughing at us for our second amendment but then this stuff happens lol

[blissful topaz]

are you from america

[vivid ruin]

Yeah

[blissful topaz]

oh

ye this aint a politics channel

[tawny vortex]

can we prep before the finale starts

like get food out of bank

?

[dry cloak]

Missed out on some last minute points because is said I had 15 hours left last night

[meager flame]

ya iirc that's how discord already had a huge data breach losing people's information

basically immediately

lol so we already know that we definitely shouldn't trust them with anything

bit of an interesting situation they've gone for

would be annoying as is but the fact that they have a proven track record of recently losing people's government id is hilarious

[sacred skiff]

Yeah I mean it's a tale as old as time.
Government: imposes law that requires [company] to collect more personal data (to protect the children)
Hackers:

https://tenor.com/view/rubhands-deer-creepy-gif-14845779

[hard axle]

it's also dumb as fuck that the default is to put you in a category with other "teenagers" instead of just outright restricting access

they want to have their cake and eat it too

[meager flame]

unfortunate bait and switch on the dmm recolor for sotd lmao

lmao we might need to stop using concept art for temp mode cosmetic polls it seems like this happens for at least one item each time

its sort of interesting since its kind of expected since their concepts basically always have way more fine detail than what they put in game but some stuff comes away looking pretty bad

[oblique mesa]

its because it wasn't charged... right....

[ember token]

yeah it wasnt charged in the video

but still

[meager flame]

they cant hurt me after the rejuvination pool

[ember grove]

Wildy poh and lever tele both look excellent at least

I’m still holding out for the priff poh but who knows when that’s coming lol

[meager flame]

it would be cool if they would give us a real tzhaar poh theme since they have some like

left over stuff already themed for it from before they did any of this stuff

[viral drum]

Maaaan they cooked with the 25th birthday event! Seeing the old models of KBD and KQ took me back to 7th grade. Lol

[sharp cave]

what is even the point of this lol?

might as well not even release the kit

[austere mulch]

They’ll probably let us vote on a re design for it after the dust settles, like they did with oathplate

Wait…

[obsidian venture]

LMAO

Skull looks a bit dented

[chrome lantern]

Yeah my feedback on this year’s DMM rewards has been since the very beginning blog they released:
-SotD kit does almost nothing
-Bofa/crystal already have 6 recolors
-Wildy PoH was promised long ago from a passed poll alongside Canifis and Varlamore and is kinda gross that they locked it behind DMM instead of being freely available to begin with
-Lever tele animation is cool but I will never use it

[vivid ruin]

Underwhelming indeed

I wouldnt pay more than a few hundred thou for any of it lol

About to sell bowfa when i can finally afford my tea bow

[obsidian venture]

You can already sell it for the bp

Can’t believe bowfa doesn’t have an orange recolor

[vivid ruin]

The sad part is that i already have masori bp set up

I only kept bowfa for if i feel like attempting inferno or something

So it's gathering dust

[obsidian venture]

Icic

[true talon]

See the new GLAMOUR plugin? lol recolors is a thing of the past.

Few of the examples

They shoulda recolored the boots to

[analog crow]

dmm rewards to alch value

[hard axle]

Jagex, I was mistaken, please give me Gemstone Crab Boss Pet

I need something to fking afk

pls

[hard axle]

fuck man, as much as I hate recolors and shit

the blue-white emberlight and sky blue bowfa looks really good

[obsidian venture]

Omg I can have an orange bowfa

We are so back

[ember token]

why is everyone talking about orange crystal suddenly

[analog crow]

"orange" you in favor of orange crystal?

[torpid delta]

gotta match the orange wildy poh portal, of course

[obsidian venture]

Cuz I want it!

Was recoloring it and just noticed it

I never use it so I was surprised

[hasty shard]

just get 200m combats tf

[round lintel]

That plugin is just making things look like PS

[hard axle]

[remote ruin]

lol I made a suggestion for a pet shortly after it got released and the thread got exclusively downvoted

[tacit wharf]

as it should of been

[remote ruin]

you can't deny a gemstone crab pet would look fire, and the thing keeping it from being reality is that its just a thing you afk for 10 minutes instead of being an actual boss

[vivid ruin]

Add an enraged gemcrab that you solo and actually hurts you, then we can talk lol

Yes would be cool pet though

[hard axle]

fuck it, we send that jawn

[radiant heart]

where do i log in to join the final deadman bout? 😮

[merry verge]

here

Idk what they're gonna do about the highest bracket being FULL tho xD Ya snooze ya lose I guess, those who logged in too late might not get into that finale

[radiant heart]

ohhhhhh

I c

well oh well if thats the case

still got my points

[reef laurel]

are we just SOL if the highest bracket is full? i did over 12 hours of prep and been waiting for 45 mins lol

and also got like 150k+ pts wasn't really expecting to just.. not be able to do the final xd

i mean that's a little bogus... played the game mode 4 hrs a day, points capped from a ton of stuff, spent hours theorycrafting and creating setups for the finale, just wanted to test a theory out and see if i could have some fun and survive the madness

[merry verge]

u tried to log in with protection for finale didn't u xD I had that thought myself

but ye, super lame that not all the contenders got to join in on the finale by attempting to log in too late

kinda same on DMM seasonal launch, when I hopped worlds in the first 30mins I got DCed and didn't manage to log back in for like 10-15 mins cuz servers, missing out on a lot of the early rush

[true talon]

Why they do all the container updates, but i still cant fill my giant ess pouch from my inventory?

should function like the coal bag

which loads coal from the bank to the bag

[carmine junco]

Are you talking about essence pouches?

[true talon]

yea

you can fill coal bag by clicking it form you inventory without withdrawing coal

but rune pouches you need to put the ess in your inventory to fill, it dont got a fill from bank option

[carmine junco]

Rune pouch is a different thing

[true talon]

it holds ess, coal bag holds coal, plank sack holds planks. how are they different?

[carmine junco]

[[rune pouch]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Rune_pouch

[carmine junco]

[[essence pouch]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Essence_pouch

[true talon]

oh sorry not rune pouch i meant the giant ess pouch lol

[carmine junco]

Yeah I agree with you if would be nice if they could fill like that

[true talon]

im rune crafting and typed rune pouch lol

[carmine junco]

Was just confused because rune pouch works completely different lol

[true talon]

its an extra 3 clicks so not a huge deal, but it seems like not a very good thing, when they went though all this container update stuff.

[carmine junco]

My guess for why that isn't already the case is the different types of essence? Only one type of coal so the fill option knows exactly what to take but there are at least three for rune essence so they'd need to add a configuration option too? Still would be nice though

[true talon]

well i think normal ess is the rarest resource in the game

its only produced untill your like 30 mining?

[tacit wharf]

just let it pull from yr inventory while the bank is open

[true talon]

it does

[tacit wharf]

sorry, did most of my rc grind at gotr/blood/souls

[true talon]

what i want is to click the giant pouch an it fill with 40 ess from my bank like how the coal bag works

then i can click ess an fill an off i go

not click get 25 ess fill, click get 25 ess fill, click get ess an go

do i see this as easy scape? no i see it as removing redundancy

[tacit wharf]

i can see how it could be seen as, but atm rc is already one of the most click intensive skills, on the fence

[true talon]

which is why its one of the worst skills in the game

[tacit wharf]

worst, no but a few tweeks, sure

[true talon]

one of the click intensive skills that has one of the lowest exp rates lol

[tacit wharf]

regular running to alters to make runes, i feel, needs a rethinking

[true talon]

true kinda feels like agility

run to goal get exp

[tacit wharf]

that lose of not getting anything for those extra runes made, feels bad, and i feel could make the experience better

[true talon]

to get to the blood altar, i need to have 93 agility, fairy ring, cross 3 shortcut walls an then i create 800 exp worth of runes lol

[tacit wharf]

id like to see, it actually matter, going to the highest tier unlock for yr rc level when u unlock it

[ember grove]

runecrafting normally is like agility but you get nothing for most of the time you're busy running between places instead of at least token xp

[vivid ruin]

A few older skills deserve a nice change tbh

Slayer is another

[tacit wharf]

slayer is fine, just needs to delete tureal skipping and it would allow for some actual changes to tasks

[vivid ruin]

Team slayer is just a meme

Imo slayer should be: you have a master who posts a few tasks on a board to pick from. The task is a defeat a boss (say cerberus or arraxor). To get to said boss, you (and maybe team) have to make it through a designated dungeon. Kill hordes of (hellhounds or arraxytes). Make it to end of dungeon. KO boss. Slayer task complete. Can be multiple of said boss i guess.

But they'd have to change drop rates, xp rates blah blah blah

[steep tangle]

Add daemonheim as a slayer themed delve

[vivid ruin]

I had to google that

[tacit wharf]

dungeoneering

[steep tangle]

Slayerneering

[tacit wharf]

and honestly, could make sense for a slayer mini-game

[steep tangle]

I just want those chthonian bosses in game tbh. They would be really cool as slayer bosses.

[vivid ruin]

Slayer as is, pretty lame rn

[steep tangle]

Night Gazer Khighorahk, Shadow-Forger Ihlakhizan, etc

[honest marsh]

tds?

[tacit wharf]

?

suppose to be tormented demons or an acronym for something else

[vivid ruin]

Yeah im not sure what tormented demons have to do with a slayer mini game lol

[analog crow]

Your next task is to delve 210 floors in Daemonheim

• Kuradal

[chrome lantern]

I love RC personally, especially combo runes. Currently the biggest flaws with RC is that it's just not really worth doing, whether for rune production on an iron or for GP on a main - despite being some of the best skilling moneymakers. The biggest flaw that RC training has right now is that GotR has such powerful upgrades that it's essentially mandatory for all people intending to do RC efficiently to go there for millions of xp to get the needle and robes.

It's more than fine if not everyone likes a particular skill, which is why I think that RC is actually in a fairly good place, all things considered - it's not actually locking out any content really in the first place so people don't really feel obligated/entitled to train it.

[true talon]

currently it only locks you out of wrath runes if your an iron, but those arent relevent soo.

however there is still the option to go get 90-95 rcing to make your own wrath runes

unlike other consumables

[chrome lantern]

If we had stuff like the imbued heart (thus locking out the entire combat style of magic from getting anywhere near max power outside raids) and 25 major items like slayer does, I would say that RC is a bigger issue

But we don't have that

[true talon]

like if shadow used wrath instead of choas/soul id just get 95 runecrafting

[chrome lantern]

Wrath runes are super optional and you can make like 6k of them in a single +5 boost at scar ess if you pre-stage properly

[true talon]

ya thats why i said only lock out is wrath runes if your an iron

as only 2 monsters i think drop them

every other rune in the game can be purchased

Slayer is just the best skill, because it has the most progression. as you get more slayer lvls you unlock more monsters to kill which drop different progression items. its also the most fun as everyone loves killing stuff.

slayer is just rewarded target genocide

[chrome lantern]

Slayer is the worst skill because there's only one way to engage with it (tasks), and there's little to no player agency over how you actually interact with the skill

If you could only train hunter on things you were catching on Hunter Rumors it would have a lot more complaints too

Especially if you lock an entire combat style and 25 gear upgrades behind it

[true talon]

i felt hunter rumours was the best instance of hunter training

i literally trained 1-89 on bird houses

and then 89-99 hunter rumors

[chrome lantern]

The best part is that you can do both

Or go catch chins

[true talon]

well id say the other skills dont actually provide correct rewards to keep them engaging

[tacit wharf]

hunter rumours were great, then they decided to give you blocks with them

[chrome lantern]

Or do herbiboar, or maniacal monkeys, or literally anything else

[chrome lantern]

The concept of hunter rumors was great, then they gave up on the concept of making dead content less dead by not actually balancing them properly, which led to blocks feeling necessary

[true talon]

some of those tasks are beyond bad, like the ice area butterfly that only had 1 spawn

[tacit wharf]

i mean they should of been a simple fix as adding a few more spawns

(moonlight antelope where the same way, just due to the saturation of players doing them at the time on release)

[chrome lantern]

More spawns, balancing the unique part drop rates better, etc.

[true talon]

also whoever thought 1/1k for a tecu salamander thats lost on death was a good idea...... better been reprmanded.

[chrome lantern]

But anyway back to the original discussion, I don't think slayer tasks are in a remotely healthy place and do way more to constrain players into a very limited approach to pursuing upgrades than anything

95% of slayer tasks are awful garbage not worth touching with a 50 foot pole and there's way too many bosses, enemies, and drop rates locked behind getting a task

Anything that can reliably killed on-task must be killed on-task to be remotely efficient due to slayer helm and drop rates

[vivid ruin]

Etube im curious what you think about my suggestion up ^^

[vivid ruin]

.

[chrome lantern]

I think more options is good but it's still a bit limiting, and broadly speaking killing more trash mobs doesn't really need to be encouraged and is currently one of the biggest issues with slayer

[vivid ruin]

I agree lmao

[tacit wharf]

i still stand by, that killing a boss varient on a task should be less per task (like tzharr's/jad) for an example

turael skipping should be nuked

and i do like a board or sorts that you have to clear x of, for it to refresh

[chrome lantern]

I also really hate how Jagex is still leaning into the slayer points system in 2026

There was no good reason we needed another 1k point cosmetic on there with the hooded slayer helm

[tacit wharf]

i am one of those people who also have never HAD to turael skip and still have points to spare

people get way to into "i have to efficiently do everything and not doing that is garbage mentality"

[vivid ruin]

EHPers

[chrome lantern]

The way I see it

Is that the fundamental system of slayer is so garbage that I will do anything possible to minimize my interaction with it

Because it has way too much stuff tied to it

[tacit wharf]

my thoughts behind it are typically, do i need something from x, if yes its on my list of things to kill, if not, and its a simple task, i do it or dont do it

[vivid ruin]

Currently farming arraxor, destroying each kill just to get white rancor

[tacit wharf]

garg - superiors - simple task - can afk-ish, so why not
dags - need dk pets - needs to pay a attention - do it when i feel like i have time

too many zoomy zoomers only ever doing 3 or 4 total tasks and skippin the rest, then go, "slayers shit"

[chrome lantern]

Aberrant specters: Slow, bad superiors. Tskip
Abyssal demons: Barrage or venator for heart rate
Ankou: No superior or loot. Tskip
Araxytes: Venator for heart.
Black demons: Blocked
Black dragons: Kill baby black dragons or tskip if I cba
Bloodveld: Bad drops, bad superiors. Tskip
Blue dragons: Slow, bad drops. Tskip
Cave horrors: Slow, bad superior, bad drops. Tskip
Krakens: Bad loot, slow, no superior. Blocked
Dagannoth: No superior, bad loot, don't care about pets. Blocked
Dark beast: Slow, but small quantity. Kill or tskip.
Drakes: Bad loot, slow. Blocked
Dust devils: Bad superior. Tskip
Elves: Bad loot, no superior. Tskip
Fire giants: Bad loot, Titans greenlogged, no superiors. Tskip
Frost dragons: Dragon metal sheets are such a meme but sure
Gargoyles: Slow, bad superior, meh loot. Tskip
Greater demons: Blocked
Hellhounds: Blocked
Kalphites: Blocked
Kurask: Slow, bad loot, bad superior. Tskip
Metal dragons: Bad tasks, no superiors. Blocked
Zygomites: Bad loot, no superior. Tskip
Skeletal wyverns: Bad loot, no superior. Tskip
Smoke devils: Barrage for heart
Spiritual creatures: Bad loot, no superiors. Tskip
Suqah: Zero loot, no superiors. Tskip
Trolls: Bad loot, no superiors. Tskip
Waterfiends: Bad loot, no superiors. Tskip
Wyrms: Bad loot and bad superiors but they do drop sheets

It's no wonder people say that, because the vast majority of tasks are horrendously awful

[rough lily]

A lot of those you listed as skips are really fast cannon tasks, or for example use tan leather on dragon tasks with needle and thread to train a few skills at once.

[chrome lantern]

But there's no reason to do it in the first place, it's bad gp and bad xp

No rewards worth chasing

[rough lily]

Cannon tasks are good exp, what do you mean

[chrome lantern]

I play an iron but I despised slayer long before I made my iron as well

[chrome lantern]

Was referring to the dragon tasks

[rough lily]

Okay, so making cannonballs is why you don’t like the tasks then. It isn’t time efficient for an iron unless a snowflake account.

[chrome lantern]

Even if I had unlimited cannonballs it wouldn't be worth doing the tasks

Slayer xp is a nonissue

I'm at 26m and nowhere close to done with the skill

[round lintel]

After 99 on an iron if no heart is just skipping to get araxxytes, abby demoms and smoke devils.

If you are already done with Hydra

Leather is a nice drop if you get it before claw but tbh Hydra leather really not worth if you dont have zaryte vambs

Diference between barrows vs ferocious glove isnt even great

[chrome lantern]

Every step on the way to get slayer boss drops was pretty awful too, long before I was hunting heart

[round lintel]

Yeah

Getting all cerb drops

Getting the occult takes a minute

Getting the claw takes a minute if no tbow

Getting bludgeon horrible

[chrome lantern]

But you can't even choose which one you work on because of the task system