game-update

[sharp cave]

thats crazy

[minor whale]

Equippable containers are a straight up nerf basically

[meager flame]

i dont really understand how they have containers that all do the same thing with different items but were apparently just vibe coded by whoever

[minor whale]

No idea why they even added them if they are a negative qol

[meager flame]

so they all work differently under the hood

lmao someone is just going to have to remake them all eventually

so they have a standard for how its supposed to be done

its like how the end of raid chests all did the same thing but actually the buttons were in different places and they were created differently each time

and they went back to it eventually

[ember token]

yeah im so confused why it doesnt work for equipped containers because like that was the whole point of adding the button lol

[sharp cave]

ehh, i mean it does make sense to have a dedicated button rather than having to fiddle about with menu entry swapper for each container

[ember token]

same amount of clicks in the end

[austere mulch]

Ironic that osrs marketing was basically dogging on WOW for feeling like a seasonal game and now are trying to push heavy on seasonal/temp game modes

Granted, not a 1:1 comparison but still holds

[meager flame]

osrs is actually heavily leaning in that direction for the last couple of years

[sharp cave]

idk if its even a 1:100 comparison

[meager flame]

they're also doing the whole "we're not going to update often but we're going to release massive expansions"

[austere mulch]

If they move forward with dmm and leagues every year, that’s legit like 1/4-1/3 of the year being temp game modes

[sharp cave]

its not even remotely close to something seasonal like wows raid tiers

[austere mulch]

• rs3 league for those that do both

[meager flame]

the days of them doing an update weekly or every two weeks and having that content be anything of note are basically gone

its all big featured shit like varlamore or sailing

[austere mulch]

Whatever was in the water between 2014 and 2018, we need that again

[sharp cave]

hard to complain, leagues are fun so

[austere mulch]

They are, but they get old very fast

[graceful jungle]

It only lasts 8 weeks

[austere mulch]

And we just had grid not even a year ago

[meager flame]

i mean idk if its that hard to complain i have fun with leagues but can also easily say i have way more fun with big updates for the real game

pretty easy to choose between the two for me

im just interested in how we so quickly got back to doing this again

[sharp cave]

what do u mean?

[meager flame]

the last time they hit us with league/dmm/not much main game content

they said it wouldn't happen again

[austere mulch]

If I had to choose between no league 2026 to get BMR early 2026 and raid4 in summer as opposed to current schedule, I’d take that in a heartbeat

[meager flame]

and it wasn't that long ago

[austere mulch]

They also said when dropped that they wouldn’t go 4 years between raids again

And here we are, 4 years later

🤣

[meager flame]

same year almost too

[graceful jungle]

From their PoV the return on investment must be undeniable. Even from what we're able to gather as players, we can't refute the amount of hype and eyeballs leagues brings

[meager flame]

im pretty sure toa was the year after they forgot to update the real game

[brisk hill]

ye this kinda outweighs all lol

[austere mulch]

Naturally though you would expect them to lose hype if they become too frequent though

[meager flame]

the statements were almost definitely within 12 months of each other so its a bit funny

[ember token]

tbh i dont think leagues is taking them that much time that they would be 6 months ahead of schedule without it, like im guessing leagues probably isnt taking all that much time anymore now that they have the formula figured out

[brisk hill]

the only way they'd change is if there was a measurable drop in revenue

[meager flame]

what the league is really doing

[austere mulch]

Yeah but there’s zero chance they drop something big like BMR during a league

[meager flame]

those guys making it could probably have just made 1 or 2 pieces of relatively big content instead

and we'll just never know what they would've been

[ember token]

i really doubt it

[meager flame]

i mean i dont they do systems art rewards mechanics and so on

leagues are a huge job

[ember token]

there were a huge job

[sharp cave]

yeah idk if thats true anymore, they have the systems in place

[austere mulch]

An 8 week league is basically 10 weeks of no updates

The week before is always minimal “to prepare” and the week after is always touching up on issues that came after with points, and a recap of the league

[sharp cave]

and they reuse them each league

[gritty frost]

there leagues are basically a copy paste with just coming up with new relics mechanics now

[ember token]

art is probably like half the work at this point

[meager flame]

so why do we think they just dont have content lined up then

[sharp cave]

though we cant ignore the fact they did design like 8 mini bosses last time

remixing their mechanics

[ember token]

and we'll be getting those same bosses again this league

[sharp cave]

like kq and gg were basically new bosses

[sharp cave]

i hope theres more though and not just the same ones?

[ember token]

it sounded like old bosses, new rewards

[meager flame]

they did go out of their way to tell us they would also have totally new stuff when talking about those bosses and items

[ember token]

idk we're certainly not getting a whole new group of remixed bosses at least

and you know they dont need to do that because region locking

[graceful jungle]

Artwork, items and special enemies are probably the only real cost and I doubt that's breaking the bank. Changing XP values, area-locking, etc. is something a guy running a private server can configure. That's probably some settings.cfg file, lol.

[ember token]

most people didnt get close to playing all of them in raging echoes

[sharp cave]

i guess its still speculation at the end of the day?

but wiki says this 🤷‍♂️

[meager flame]

nah on the stream they directly asked if it would be new

and the guy confirmed some of them at least would be

[ember token]

As they were so popular, we're looking to bring back the previous League's Echo Bosses! For those unfamiliar, these versions of bosses are more powerful and mechanically different alternatives of some of the big baddies of the world. While this time you'll be mostly familiar with what bosses you'll be facing, you might not see all the rewards from last League return and instead some new friends taking their place.

[sharp cave]

hmmm but that could mean bringing back the same bosses or bringing back the concept?

[ember token]

While this time you'll be mostly familiar with what bosses you'll be facing,

[sharp cave]

well there it is "mostly"

so there are some new ones

[graceful jungle]

They're definitely getting more from leagues than they put in.

[gritty frost]

or tweaking the old echo bosses

[sharp cave]

thats fine by me, but that does undeniably increase the workload

we also didnt get a league last year either, presumably due to sailing

[ember token]

oh you know what i can find a comment by mod ash thats topical

[meager flame]

im just afraid they're putting their hopes on the sailing expansion as the big release

basically like how they ran varlamore part 2 and 3

except they'll just release more crap islands with nothing on them lmao

[gritty frost]

some of the main devs from leagues were working on sailing, thats probably why

[meager flame]

please dont let it happen

[graceful jungle]

What if they have internal financial projections from leagues that's going to support other projects? We just don't know.

[austere mulch]

Ngl there’s zero excitement from me for the new sailing content

Already 99 and it gives me nothing for the rest of the game

[meager flame]

yeah they shot so far below what would be exciting with part 1

[austere mulch]

Just another task needed to use music cape for clues

[meager flame]

who even cares about part 2 now

hopefully they fix that but lmao

im just imagining more useless islands and another place to do laps

[gritty frost]

only thing im remotely interested in for part 2 is more boats hopefully

[austere mulch]

Aka more tele hotspots 💀

[meager flame]

maybe they should've put raids 4 on an island

just so it would look like something was happening

[ember token]

#old-school message august 2025, ash says theyve started pre-planning the next leagues
#old-school message december 2025, ash says leagues 6 was pushed back to make room for Sailing (which seems to suggest it could've been out late november)

[meager flame]

its just funny how perception changes

[sharp cave]

is there a place to track osrs daily player count since misplaced items went down?

[meager flame]

because i was wondering how a sailing boss would go

now im praying it doesn't see the light of day

[true talon]

I think the combat update will be good, because they removing the reduction and having your cannons be like strong thralls.

[meager flame]

yeah but prayer etc doesn't work on boats

[graceful jungle]

I like having my crew fire-at-will too.

[meager flame]

so its going to be about controlling your cannons to make them hit different things

or just sailing to move the boat

nothing else you can do with how they set it up

whole thing is a bit weird though

for guys saying its not a combat skill they made sure it was a unique combat skill lol

[icy relic]

well they gave up very quickly trying to make it the primary combat method in the ocean

[orchid temple]

Having cannons be such a large chunk of the sea DPS is just terrible. The sheer amount of cannonballs, we need avas for the ship

[languid ravine]

scuba crew who fetch lost cannonballs

[vivid ruin]

Imo sailing combat needs a few things. The skill should be tied to your combat, thus raising max cb. The higher your sailing, tied partially with a little of your range lvl and cannon/cball type should depict damage output and maybe attack speed. Monsters should have their stats balanced accordingly. Ships movement shouldn't be as slow as it is, as far as turning on the spot. Or the cannons just need to be akin to dwarf multi cannons and maybe only the front of the boat can block the view. You can only be so realistic with that kind of stuff before it just feels too clunky

And dragon cannons need a spec

[gritty frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/osrs-runescape-pk-pvp-bountyhunter-gif-8656558482116862381

[languid ravine]

dude imagine sailing pking ppl by doing drive bys from the seas on ppl who are at the shore

[languid ravine]

is this real

[ember token]

its a real clip from sailing development

[languid ravine]

what if u can ice barrage the water

[winged mantle]

This is art

[meager flame]

tbh my faith for sailing is pretty low and they're not doing a lot to win me over as much as they've been confirming what i suspected from the start

well at least from the start of actually playing it

they took all the time in the world to talk about combat and came back pretty out of touch with how bad it is anyways

then they added a way for us to move things we've already built but couldn't stand the idea of anyone doing anything reasonably still

so its a 1 in 2k drop and one time use lol

[harsh herald]

Tbh if it was a much lower drop you'd probs get annoyed that you're constantly getting a useless drop

[meager flame]

it shouldn't even be a drop lmao

you should just be able to move the stuff on your boat with maybe a fee

[harsh herald]

Im almost certain that its probably an issue with coding as to why they've made it the way it is

[tacit wharf]

u shouldnt be moving yr stuff around all the time anyways

[harsh herald]

Its like with the poh, you cant move facilities in there without deleting

You can only move the entire rooms

[tacit wharf]

wait are me and imxe agreeing on something

[meager flame]

true which is more of a reason that its crazy to ask people to turn around and go salvage more just to fix something thats obviously poorly designed from them to begin with

should just be talking to an npc or just paying on the spot to move things when you need to do it and moving on

[tacit wharf]

they arent asking normal people to go back to salvage more, they are telling you, while salvagin you will get some

[meager flame]

except it doesn't drop from the salvage you'll spend most of your time at

[tacit wharf]

it aint for those who already are maxed, but for those who are leveling

[meager flame]

so they are asking people to go salvage more

[harsh herald]

Its about the longevity too tbh, its kind of a mistake fixer I guess, shouldn't be used too often

[tacit wharf]

stop thinking of things from a maxed perspective

think of them of people who are still leveling

[meager flame]

level 87 =/= maxed

[harsh herald]

Gotta remember its not just for now but for years so I can understand the salvage angle

[meager flame]

it is 87 right?

when you do the form of salvage that you'll spend more than half your time at

assuming you do end up going for 99

yeah that salvage doesn't drop them

[tacit wharf]

well ya, not a good idea to make people only sit at one

same reason savior's paint shouldnt from the best salvage either, if they add it to the other salvage drop tables

[meager flame]

i think we're getting off track from the point i was making to begin with tbh

there was no reason to gamify a fix to a poorly thought out system to try and milk people for more of their time

sailing already does plenty of that for useless rewards to begin with

[tacit wharf]

u say poor thought out system, but its not

[meager flame]

yeah they added the facility bottle because it was perfect

[tacit wharf]

honestly, i like that they did it that way

[narrow folio]

i still think rearranging things in the same boat should be free

[tacit wharf]

no sleezy main trying to max, then sell back their stuff cuz they "done"

[meager flame]

pretty sure they're untradable when used

so that was never happening

[tacit wharf]

yep, which is good

[sharp cave]

ok but you dont have a second house you might want to use the 1/20k drop on instead? pointless comparison

[harsh herald]

i wouldnt have put it in the wrong place the first time around

[hollow dirge]

make the bank UI changes toggle-able

this reset all my left-click swaps and now the icons are in different places lol

what was the point

[tacit wharf]

i dont know what people are complaining about with the bank UI

[harsh herald]

and its not a pointless comparison lol, i was saying that they clearly have coding issues with moving just facilities. you cant move a portal chamber in a poh, u can only move the entire room

[hollow dirge]

@tacit wharf a toggle would make both sides happy, why thumbs down?

You do something one way for 10 years, you gain muscle memory lmao. It is just a minor annoyance but I don't see why it needed to be changed.

[sharp cave]

they would probably have to build a whole new system to handle it

[tacit wharf]

so u fix it and move on

[hollow dirge]

Their reasoning for moving the equipment button, for example. Now the settings are out of the way but I used that far more than the equipment button in my bank

[tacit wharf]

give it a week and you'll be back to clicking in no time

[sharp cave]

also im sure they are listening, we might see it moved back?

[hollow dirge]

Most other settings like this have been toggle-able tho, doesn't make sense why this wasnt

I don't necessarily want it moved back, I'd just rather a toggle. I'm sure some people like the new way

If they get enough feedback, they probably will

[tacit wharf]

the equpiment tab was togglable?

[hollow dirge]

dawg I'm gonna need you to go read your discord bio

[tacit wharf]

its not my fault u cant read though

[hollow dirge]

exactly

[tacit wharf]

chillax and give it a week

back to xp wasting in no time

[hollow dirge]

hey man I'm just sharing my opinion and giving feedback on the update, which is what this channel is for

no need to dismiss it without adding anything constructive lol

like I said, not a big deal, but would have been nice to have a toggle for the different UI

[sharp cave]

i doubt they will make it a toggle, they wont want to maintain 2 different uis

[frail marten]

it's just an insane decision to look at the playerbase asking for moving-facilities-around QoL and lock that QoL behind a 1/2000 salvage drop

"we want this QoL change"
"alright get a 1/2000 drop"

at least make it buyable from the shipwright for X amount of coins so the drop just saves you money instead of Unlocking A Single Use

[tacit wharf]

i did, you'll figure it out with a little time

[hollow dirge]

Anyone ever tell you you're unnecessarily condescending? lol

[tacit wharf]

people dislike change but you also have to get use to things when they do

[hollow dirge]

I'm very well aware of this lol

thanks for the input, you got any thoughts on water being wet btw?

[tacit wharf]

water isnt wet, water is dry

yr wet when u touch water, thus you think water is wet

hope that helps

[tacit wharf]

its a system put in place for those to get said item, while they are leveling

not for those who are already leveled

long term, instead of shortsightedness

or at least thats the way i look at it

also, you shouldnt be moving yr facilities around a bunch of times anyways

its for oppsies, not OMG the house is on fire cuz i left the blanket by the fire

[gritty frost]

yeah but i dont want to have to hunt a 1/2k drop because of a oppsies

[tacit wharf]

shouldnt of made the oppsies

tsk tsk

[frail marten]

and what happens if people level through barracuda trials instead of salvaging, or salvage and don't get the drop because of the variance from 1/2000

hot take maybe but i don't think a 1/1000 or higher drop should exist without a more consistent way to get the same thing

[gritty frost]

the oppsies of not knowing on the day of release that you need a facility next to the helm in order to use it during trials

[tacit wharf]

think yr in the wrong game, this is a game of grinding out things, not a piety gacha system

[languid ravine]

does changing ur house rooms cost stuff

[tacit wharf]

changing things in hotspots of yr room do

[frail marten]

don't think I've ever blocked someone so fast

[tacit wharf]

[gritty frost]

cant build the wrong item in a different spot though

[tacit wharf]

but its the closest comparison to what we have in-game atm

moving yr rooms around in yr house is like switching boats

building the wrong thing in yr rooms hotspot is like building the wrong facility in your boat

[hollow dirge]

He is quite the contrarian lol

likely nothing better to do

[round lintel]

I hate this bank UI change

is there any way to reverse it?

[hollow dirge]

nah we were just talkin about it lol

[tacit wharf]

not a very expensive fix, a few cg runs and you'll make that back quickly

[hollow dirge]

share your feedback and hope they let us customize it or something

[round lintel]

I mean, why they moved my equip character option from left all the way to the right? who in Jagex thought its a great idea to have people for years using an option and move it to a whole different part without even asking?

hahaha

[tacit wharf]

give it a week and you'll forget it was even moved

[round lintel]

naaaaaaaa

[hollow dirge]

taco I'm gonna suggest you block him now lol, he's just going to say something contrary to whatever you post

you can't win

[tacit wharf]

?

[round lintel]

im right dominant, and use things on my left

[tacit wharf]

me and taco are buds

[round lintel]

it also messed up all my overlays

[tacit wharf]

yr overlays?

[round lintel]

like take one of certain foods

[hollow dirge]

yup, annoying af

[tacit wharf]

oh the change on the bottom

[hollow dirge]

had to re-do them all that I could remember

[round lintel]

im not a fan of things moved up without a poll

hate impossed things

[tacit wharf]

think it looks cleaner

[round lintel]

it doesnt for me

looks like mobile

[tacit wharf]

thought they could change the insert/swop gear buttons

hard to tell which is what sometimes

[cerulean herald]

will plugins be allowed to change/altar these layouts. or at least an option to revert to the previous layout?

[ember token]

wont be an option to revert because that just creates a ton of work, but I can't see why someone wouldnt be able to make a plugin that swaps the position of buttons

[cerulean herald]

or at least lower the size of some. i liked the small size of the 1 5 10 X button

[winged mantle]

What's the new layout look like?

Haven't logged in yet

Tism queen will decide

That'd be a fire rsn

[pine juniper]

Idk why but that got me giggling lmao

[winged mantle]

I need this pepe to have sparkly nailpolish on

[pine juniper]

Mobile interfaces are the same as regular game tbh

Well most of them

I think the new interface is good, people just hate change even if it's small

I will say I don't like where the search icon is or where deposit worn items is

[winged mantle]

Looks pretty ok on mobile

Hmmm maybe the swap/ insert icon can change

[round lintel]

The "Show worn items"

went from left to right

[tacit wharf]

flip that

left to right

[winged mantle]

Oh yeah put that back

[round lintel]

the config went from right to left

[winged mantle]

Woah wth

Why

[round lintel]

the layouts to saved from runelite were removed

so if you have options for take 1 in certain things

now its gone and have to redo

[winged mantle]

Nooo

[next kestrel]

This update with moving facilities is actually insane, should not be a 1/2k drop. Moving facilities should be unlimited, maybe with a small gp cost or something.

[ember token]

seems like its already a pretty small gp cost to me atm for something most people will never need to do in the first place

[idle rapids]

No you don't understand, if I wanna move my facilities on ironman mode 10 times? I have to actually play the game for multiple hours. This is unacceptable

[narrow folio]

I never used the shown warn items button. Yall do?

[tacit wharf]

only to make sure that the items i equp, actually equpt

[idle rapids]

I used that interface to make inv setup photos in the past

Nowadays I just use the inv loadout plugin or w/e

Whatever plugin puts the tabs on the left side of bank

[graceful jungle]

Idk how yall play in fixed mode

It’s like I’m playing with no peripheral vision

[languid ravine]

fixed is nice if u enlarge it

[winged mantle]

Fixed - stretched mode

[final frigate]

Search icon is wide

Yw

[winged mantle]

jagex why?
old on the left - new on the right

[narrow folio]

remember what they took 🙁

[winged mantle]

defo need a toggle

this but bank interface

also apparently new layout is bad for gim - shared bank storage is a toggle where potion storage is

[warm epoch]

Because people said they like the new interface

[winged mantle]

it's terrible

[warm epoch]

Did you give your feedback when they asked for it lol

[winged mantle]

that was something that i missed

hard to stay upto date with every update. I read every poll, every update and missed that one

would have provided feedback otherwise

bigger buttons is good for mobile but why desktop?

also as a new player how do they know what the numbers do

the old ui communicated what buttons did way better

[winged mantle]

also what people

would be good to know what kind of accounts "liked" the new ui

comparing the 2 ui - the old one communicates better

should be optional

[analog crow]

Why is because it passed a poll presumably

[winged mantle]

weird doesn't look like a bank ui poll question

*The unfortunate piece of news here is that we're not yet at a point where we can configure what you deposit via custom toggles, as we mentioned in the poll question, but will revisit this feature if we feel able to confidently deliver this in the future. *

[narrow folio]

damn

[winged mantle]

why bring it to the game if it's not ready!

i just want the option to go back

ples

maybe someone will make a plugin so you can move things around

[narrow folio]

those guys are miracle workers

[winged mantle]

I know the jmods mean well but I do hope they make it optional or at least give players customisation on where buttons are

at least to swap the search and lock/unlock buttons

[forest glacier]

i cant acess my potion storage

[winged mantle]

this is all they had to do

[fresh forge]

The funny part is that there’s still stuff missing from bank interface. I didn’t realise you could lock inv slots until I used a deposit box. No idea where the UI for that is on the bank

[shadow wave]

In the settings menu, the same place it was before

[fresh forge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-an-idiot-elmo-shrugs-gif-6160087

[fresh forge]

I thought it was a staff in the top right not a spanner 😭

[zinc galleon]

Reddit is so hilarious, one day they hate restricted accounts, the next day ranting about boat bottle hard to get (30k in GE)

[tiny otter]

using the ge value for anything is a take

[opaque escarp]

I don't hate the UI changes but swapping the positions of buttons is mental

I click to search and disable placeholders, I click to open my equipment and open the settings instead

It's better to keep the relative positions of things the same if you're gonna add new things to the ui I think

[opaque escarp]

Jesus Christ this looks infinitely better

[tiny otter]

search not being next to inv dep will be my hill

[winged mantle]

Even the empty containers on the far right

It just feels like if they had to move stuff around (to where the ui is now) the bank layout either is too small or an overhaul is due

[pseudo storm]

Was the bank interface always an issue or something? Don't understand the change

[quiet plank]

It was to add the deposit containers option

[solid trout]

I know im late to the party but imo the Facility bottles just feel tonedeaf if its a technical limitation that we cant have a POH style shifting selection: fine, but why do they have to be rare drops?! It would have been a significantly better solution to just have them only be available for purchase inside the shipwright dock for a small fee and not allowing you to leave with them rather than this. With how easy it is to accidently misplace something like the windcatcher or crystal extractor or just wanting to experiment with different setups makes this just feel like a slap in the face.

Also: why change deposit box layout? Noone asked for this. The new bank modes yes people voted for it, but noone wanted for the bank deposit box to change.

[solid trout]

nah that username is criminal

[tiny otter]

should not google holy

[pseudo storm]

damn, thought it was would've been just an add and not a rearrange

[hasty shard]

work 9 days a week feeding 12 kids and 14 wives cant possibly do the 30 minute afk content to get the bottle you don't need if you look at a placement guide for 1 minute

[solid trout]

rip your eyeballs

[solid trout]

its a new Item but its not 30k

[zinc galleon]

U right, wiki buggin out

[zinc galleon]

Doesn’t mean much when salvage is likely the #1 method of training sailing

[true talon]

ya but this is all the lower tier salvage also 1/2k for a item that is destroyed on use. is insane

[hasty shard]

low tier
frem salvage

[true talon]

your not at fremnik long once you hit 87 you move up to merchant

[vivid ruin]

Irons complaining about drop rates that thousands of players share via the GE again?

[zinc galleon]

It’s about 8k salvages from 80-87 i think

[vivid ruin]

Gz on your year long successful endeavor btw

[true talon]

I think its a bit extreme for a QOL function that should be available to the skill itself.

[vivid ruin]

Eh

Its for dragon cannon and the tp basically

Everything else free

[harsh herald]

It would be extremely annoying if it were on the Merchant drop table and you continually received a useless bottle that you had no usage for. Just like how receiving multiple dolls is already annoying.

[vivid ruin]

Its for irons lol

[true talon]

its not for irons lol

[vivid ruin]

It pretty much is

[true talon]

its not

[vivid ruin]

K

[true talon]

unless you like spending 10m+ each time you want to move something on your boat XD

[zinc galleon]

I can understand that perspective. Maybe it’s too gimmicky

[hasty shard]

i think this is an entire reddit moment BUT i will not bother grinding the clog because i presume jagex will buckle and make it more common

[true talon]

Main talk has been to have it sold by shipwrights for a fee to help sink gold.

[hasty shard]

idk why they made a whole new bottle when ship bottles are already useless tbh

[zinc galleon]

Yeah maybe should’ve just let ship bottles do both

[hasty shard]

like if we can put our whole ship in the bottle

surely the facilities of said ship can also go inside it

[opaque escarp]

jagec pls

[harsh herald]

its no doubt a coding things that would go over most of our heads

[hasty shard]

im begging swap back placeholder and search

[true talon]

Bottles are kinda dumb idea anyways.

[opaque escarp]

I'm begging that they thin the search button a bit, reduce the padding, and make the deposit boxes the same size as they originally were, I think they are a bit smaller now

[true talon]

the OCD has gotten them

[opaque escarp]

actually that last bit might be wrong

[opaque escarp]

I'm just wondering who on earth thought that search needed to be the biggest button and why it needs extra padding

maybe it's ocd but I kept seeing people praise the design and I cannot understand why

[obsidian venture]

Lmk when you open up those caskets

[hasty shard]

open up to us

[bronze kernel]

Boat bottles are for if you're too poor to afford a teleport focus

Or not on Standard Spellbook and need to shift your boat around somewhere else

I can see a purpose for them, but it's minimal

[opaque escarp]

there's tabs

[bronze kernel]

Kind of forgot about those

[grim gull]

Lots of people in the previous ui said that they would accidentally click on the deposit inventory button when trying to search for an item

[tiny otter]

are the lots of people in the room with us

[hard axle]

moving search over is terrorist behavior

[orchid temple]

Probably many complaints about trying to hit search and dumping inventory instead

[tender harness]

salvage is likely the #1 method of training sailing

for a person who sucks at trials sure
but otherwise no its not

[minor whale]

People actually press the button?

Ctrl+f

[tiny otter]

mlm vs 3 tick granite tier fight aah

[tender harness]

not even

trials are objectively better than salvage

[orchid temple]

On mobile?

[tiny otter]

more xp

just like 3t granite is

but less people do that over mlm

[minor whale]

Definitely not "objectively better" when talking about how people train a skill
It's so incredibly afk for still a very solid margin of xp

Trials are much less popular than salvage

[dawn jackal]

yea, i'd imagine it's actually ridiculously tilted to salvaging

guessing over 90% of sailing xp past lv 72 is via salvage

[tiny otter]

it clears trials

[tacit pendant]

Perception of trials def skewed cuz thats what all the streamers were doing

[tender harness]

objectively better as in
faster way to level not necessarily the more enjoyable way to level

[tacit pendant]

I love to do hard/active content in this game, however, me and my circle of like 10 people are all planning to salavage to 99. Like 1 iron wants to clog once combat/trials is updated but even that is a really small amount of total xp to 99

[dawn jackal]

i'd imagine the amount of people who train skills efficiently is under 1200 total players

some people dabble for a while but the overwhelming majority picks an afk option over an active option

and heaven forbid the active option requires attention

[tacit pendant]

Thats not always true of every skill, but it is of sailing

[dawn jackal]

what skill do you think it's not true in

agi i bet enough people do seph, still probably a ridiculous ratio of ardy to sep

[tacit pendant]

Fletching, con, magic, slayer maybe.

Its probably true of more skills than not true

[oblique mesa]

No way enough people do sep. Remember when that was a league task and there was a bajillion people whining about how hard it was

[tacit pendant]

So i think we probably generally agree but there are a solid amount of exceptions.

Thieving i think

[dawn jackal]

darts, 2t flat packs, completely passive, very few do efficient slayer

[tacit pendant]

Agility more people run laps than foot pedal brimhaven or afk house

[dawn jackal]

fire facts

[tacit pendant]

Alot do boss slayer, burst

[dawn jackal]

people don't do these methods is me point

boss slayer primarily bursting are both not meta

[tacit pendant]

I think more skills people opt to afk

Firemaking people still todt over bonfires

[dawn jackal]

fire making is 100% passive xp efficiently now

you get 200m firemaking during 200m theiving

[tacit pendant]

Are we still talking about "most people"?

[dawn jackal]

i am trying to show that most people, by a huge %, do not choose efficient methods because they are efficient

they choose the afk or profitable option

[tacit pendant]

Im not a great reference for thieving tbf. Ive had 99 thieving on my 2 accs for years

Yeah thats true im inline with what you are saying too

[dawn jackal]

this is in response to manaless's comments on trials mostly

[tacit pendant]

Sailing is salvaging for 90% of players outside of like levels 1-50

[dawn jackal]

just because a method is efficient doesn't mean anyone's gonna do it

[tacit pendant]

And i stalled on sailing to tears of guthix it lol

[craggy wind]

Great discussion - let’s introduce some low effort agility options to spice up the skills.

[opaque escarp]

I hope not

Agility is the only real skill left

[tender harness]

what?

[tacit pendant]

Foot pedal brimmy exists

[opaque escarp]

True

[tender harness]

agility isnt even bad to level as it is. granted I wish seppy was buffed

[tacit pendant]

Can literally turn off your monitor to 99

[opaque escarp]

Sep is so goated

[tacit pendant]

Varlamore course should have had ladders be automatic is all

Or not exist

The ladders that is

[oblique mesa]

Varlamore course feels like it is half done

Weird that you can even get teleports to when there is a bird outside

[tacit pendant]

I mean if it had like 1 or 2 less clicks it would have felt different and filled a niche

Anyone been to the wildy bosses post update, thinking about clearing all cas there with deadman this weekend

[craggy wind]

Buffed xp would make sense too 👏🏻

[tacit pendant]

Well, pretty much all the player designed islands come with an agility activity. Guess we will see

[craggy wind]

We shall. I’ll be 99 by then but it’ll help those not yet 😂

[tacit pendant]

Im putting off 99 on the off chance its goated. More than likely I will be at brimhaven the whole time

Ill send sepulchre for funsies though for a level or two

[grim gull]

Nice they stuck with the UI changes for now

[burnt otter]

did the bank update change everyones menu swaps? or just mine?

can i revert it back to the old bank UI to avoid having to manually change everything back to what it was before

[muted thorn]

Don't dilute the merchant salvage further....

[thorn obsidian]

Don't know if any of the ppl at jagex will read this but it would be rly nice if the empty containers button would also work for fish crates from sailing, so u dont have to spam click empty on all of them

unless there's another way to do that that I don't know of already

[meager flame]

Ty jagex for remaining sane with the facility bottle

[tender harness]

buyable bottles should be 99 sailing only

[shadow wave]

Actually wouldn't be bad as a sailing cape perk

Let the cape store a facility

Fuck let it store a boat too

[tender harness]

considering how depressing the perks yeah

[vivid ruin]

What is perk of sail cape

[shadow wave]

Rename boat (you can choose the name instead of rng)
Teleport boat to you for free

Teleport to pandy

[vivid ruin]

Oh yeah...

[tender harness]

rename boat perk is actually bad

with how limited it is

[shadow wave]

At least we don't have day one boat names

[tender harness]

free renames could easily have been like a charting reward or something
not 99 sailing 😭

[meager flame]

It probably only exists because they were reaching for anything that would be useful but not replace a facility

So it just got some useless perk

[tender harness]

and it got "QOL" by adding teleports that are ironically terrible

[meager flame]

Yeah idk why the teleports aren’t from the sailing amulet

The only time the sailing cape teleport gets used is if I misclick on my max cape

That’s about how useful it is

[vivid ruin]

At least its more useful than herb cape, craft cape, wc cape, and all of the others that are knowingly useless yet wont change

[meager flame]

Crafting cape is one of the best in the game

[vivid ruin]

Theres like 2 useful 99 capes that i keep in bank

Oh yeah not crafting duh

Im still sleeping

Thats one i keep in my bank

[tender harness]

crafting cape is actually dead

with sailing amulet

[vivid ruin]

Isnt it still closer to bank

[minor whale]

Craft Cape is better yeah

[opaque escarp]

Isn't it still the closest consistent teleport

Closest overall is still sepulchre teles

[minor whale]

Ye
Sailor's Amulet and Achievement Diary cape are identical tiles to bank

And Crafting cape is up to 2 tiles better

[burnt otter]

UPDATE!!

When you first start your client the menu swaps will not work BUT if you close your client and open it one more time it WILL have all your previous menu swaps

[graceful jungle]

Yea I avoid any tick manip leveling methods I just don’t care enough

[stray oasis]

Dock Johnson is going to like is update

Buying ship bottles. Granted 75k takes a bit for a sailing locked

[dawn jackal]

avoiding tick manip is very valid. i get a little frustrated at people who argue that it has no place in the game

[fresh forge]

700 hours at a coin spawn lul

[fresh forge]

My ideal gameplay is engaged but not like 100% apm clicking (which is what tick requires)

[true talon]

This fletching mini-game is really good. shame it dont got end game uses

[meager flame]

I think most people would rather be engaged and thinking instead of like

Just having a very high uptime on clicking in a rhythm perpetually

[signal hawk]

Hear me out, ship and facility bottles should be added to the port task reward pool

[fresh forge]

I hope so but sometimes the wiki implies tick manipulation is the only way to train

[digital osprey]

What is wrong with the latest update

[fresh forge]

Not true ofc but I reckon the skill guides need a tweak to list more sane stuff

[true talon]

I did 87-99 sailing and 92-99 woodcutting, thanks to the 90k an hour afk methods. i enjoy skilling much more when its around this and that activity.

[meager flame]

Yeah but that’s just reinforcing a weird osrs stereotype most people are actually not built like that

[signal hawk]

90k/hr wc xp? what methods that high?! (edit:for afk)

[dawn jackal]

the good news is most training metas are more "activity" based than something like 3t4g

[meager flame]

lol most gamers on osrs are a little more normal and do actually get bored

[true talon]

ironwood

[dawn jackal]

ironwood's , redwoods, scullisceps, and 2t or 1.5t teaks all are 90k xp / hr +

[signal hawk]

wow I heard ironwood supplanted redwoods

[true talon]

ironwood on that island with forestry worlds is like 90-100k an hour for woodcut

[signal hawk]

I thought redwoods topped out around 75k with the forestry rations but its been a hot minute since I got 99 wc

Do yall agree port task rewards could be better though? Adding these bottles seems like a win-win

[meager flame]

Port task rewards should be entirely reworked lol

As is it’s just some ass exp method that gives you basically nothing

[wooden frigate]

anything that reduces their prices to 1k each. No way bottles will fix facility issues. Can't just go enjoy a different sailing training method without comitting a big sum of money to switch out your facilities.

[true talon]

its currently the best way to get pet

[meager flame]

So you get a useless cosmetic

[severe pebble]

Personally would like to see both types of bottles and some more rewards added to port tasks, give it a sailing rare drop table

[true talon]

? 75k is nothing lol

at most youll have to bottle your hooks and nets maybe cannons

[wooden frigate]

150k to switch out both facilities to enjoy trawling a bit, another 150k to switch back to enjoy a bit of salvaging.

[true talon]

build seperate boats

[meager flame]

Yeah they could charge us 150k to log in and it wouldn’t matter

[wooden frigate]

It's gonna quickly surpass the costs of just making a new boat

[meager flame]

It’s not a lot of gp

[signal hawk]

I dont mind jagex stance that if you should plan your boat specs out before building, but outright buying them from an NPC feels like a bandaid solution

[severe pebble]

75k for the bottles is fine, it’s a nominal gold sink and they’re going to be more common from more salvages

[true talon]

you will not need to move facilities a lot

[digital osprey]

What do u think of today’s changes

[meager flame]

Also if you have a boat where 150k would add up to a new boat quickly

Those bottles are not for you

[true talon]

ABSOLUTE W

[wooden frigate]

charging for swapping out facilities just sounds silly to me

[signal hawk]

Only really seeing myself using facility bottles on items that either cost a lot to make or use rare parts (dragon items/the bottled storm/swift feathers/barbs/etc)

[wooden frigate]

Building costs should be the main price, not swapping

[true talon]

thats what they are for

[signal hawk]

yes

[tacit wharf]

thinking youcan just change facilities like you change yr cloths, sounds silly

[wooden frigate]

Why is it silly?

[tacit wharf]

yr meant to have more than 1 boat, no just constantly switching out yr facilities

u dont even need a good boat to go salvaging

[gentle badge]

Wait till you find out we can move rooms around in our POH

[tacit wharf]

except its not like that

[wooden frigate]

Then Jagex has a completely different view on boats than I do. Which is whatever. Boats are realistically expensive. And to a sailor/captain they are important enough to name them. Having a shipyard full of boats like a garage full of lambos is a weird thing.

[tacit wharf]

[signal hawk]

honestly we are going to see people doing exactly the latter now.

[wooden frigate]

Ship bottles are fine then, just their idea on boats is silly

[tacit wharf]

sadly, they didnt go the way of, u only get dragon cannon/hook, bottled storm back only and the rest of supplies lost

[digital osprey]

Why are they neglecting pvp seance

[meager flame]

The ship bottle facility shuffle thing is to make up for jagex making several of the upgrades way too hard to obtain

If it weren’t unacceptable to delete them we wouldn’t need the bottles

[digital osprey]

Why are the updates this mouth so bad

[wooden frigate]

I disagree, swapping out facilities should have been on their mind the moment they added different training methods/activities for the same facility slot.

[meager flame]

They clearly intend for you to have more than one boat

[wooden frigate]

ah right, forgot that rediculous idea

still silly

[meager flame]

I mean that’s the system they put in front of us lol

[wooden frigate]

That's true

I'm having trouble coming to terms with how they implemented sailing alltogether I guess lol

It was /so close/

[meager flame]

Really it looks like we’re supposed to have 3

And then probably like 2 rafts or something to teleport to clue steps

[true talon]

they not made any mistakes yet lol

[tacit pendant]

Combat lol

But pvp does need love. Really hoping we can actually get a fresh take on what pvp content looks like (small teams format pls)

Instead of just cat and mouse bs

[fresh forge]

If you have two boats what does Tele to Boat do - drop down menu?

[tacit wharf]

brings up the same interface as if yr trying to dock with yr boats

the ones u can tele to, have white text/gray text for those u cant

same thing for tele boat to you

[charred oracle]

any mention of them moving buttons back to where they were for the bank

[tacit wharf]

#game-news

[charred oracle]

" so we'll be waiting a little while before making any drastic changes." so no then, seems odd to move stuff around that didn't need moving but I suppose they just don't wanna work on it anymore

[frail marten]

yeah! give them a chance at giving you a sailing-based reward instead of the coins

[obsidian venture]

I forgot I could rename the boat with the cape ngl

At least the animation is cool 🥹

[sacred skiff]

Would be nifty if the cape let you breathe underwater, but that’s perhaps too much

I just don’t wanna change out my outfit for the coral part of my farm run lol

[rustic ocean]

Has there been any word on how many points Deadman awards will be? I only want the crystal and Bowfa recolors and wanna do as little as possible

[ember token]

yeah they already gave us the numbers like a week ago

[chrome lantern]

12k points for that specifically

[rustic ocean]

Is there a blog somewhere?

[ember token]

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/deadman-annihilation---everything-you-need-to-know?oldschool=1

[rustic ocean]

Tytt

[ember token]

it's 37k points total for all new rewards

[rustic ocean]

Thanks for the help.

[gilded crest]

We should all take our cannons and riot for a revert bank interface

[tacit wharf]

naw, thats xp waste

[gilded crest]

Clicking 10 times on the potion storage for it to works is xp waste too

Clicking on empty looting bag instead of search items, because of those years of muscle memory is also xp waste

[oblique mesa]

Sounds like skill issue /shrug

[graceful jungle]

Bro thinks he’s spittin

[fringe rivet]

with how many gold sinks there are in-game now, POH having a fee to move your rooms would fit in right about now

[gilded crest]

🤦🏻‍♂️ wth

[fringe rivet]

I'm not advocating for that btw

It's just silly to see people celebrate the 75k gp fee to move your boat's stuff around, when your POH lets you move your rooms for free.

Classic case of them giving us a horrible solution, so the compromise looks great afterwards.

[tacit wharf]

cuz its not the samething as moving a room around in yr house

[graceful jungle]

ngl tho moving a whole ass room in your house for free is wild

[fringe rivet]

your POH is infintely more useful than your boat

[graceful jungle]

That’s more way more labor lmao

[tacit wharf]

its not about usefullness

they are different in design

[fringe rivet]

construction is literally the gold sink skill lmao

If anything, it should be nickeling and dimeing us for everything

[languid ravine]

boats are floating houses really

[graceful jungle]

Floating houses lol

[fringe rivet]

roofless house sadly

[ember token]

simply turn roofs back on then

[charred oracle]

Smartest community ambassador

[fringe rivet]

the ocean is a roof for the sea floor

[gilded crest]

They should charge us everytime we open our bank too! For .1% of your bank value

[fringe rivet]

I mean we do get charged for using the G.E. now lol

[graceful jungle]

I mean some actual banks do have maintenance fees

[charred oracle]

Have to pay for rent, mortage, land tax..

[gilded crest]

See

[fringe rivet]

the _iles brothers charge us, no?

[gilded crest]

My idea is golden like a gnome

[fringe rivet]

runescape and consistency is like water and 5 types of oil

we pay to have our butlers

but crew members work for free, for some reason?

[gilded crest]

If we put you as a mod

Osrs is screwed

[graceful jungle]

Jobless Jim’s forever broke

[fringe rivet]

osrs will suck up anything with enough time

I mean we have that private server looking mf in lumbridge, unpolled for years, and eventually people warmed up to him

[gilded crest]

Ill have to do high alchs everyday just to play 30 mins with all those fees u gon add to the game

[graceful jungle]

That’s gameplay

A mage high alching to pay bills is funny to think about

[fringe rivet]

High-Alch'ing is just a spell created by the bank of gelinor. The coin is effectively worthless but they allow the masses to use said magic to help manipulate stock value

[graceful jungle]

Tfw you gotta high alch the shirt off your back to survive

[fringe rivet]

that's why the alch-prices are arbitrary

[graceful jungle]

Tfw she wants to look through your phone so you high alch it

[fringe rivet]

that's a mechanic in one of the WGS fights

only way to delete the bomb is to alch it

[graceful jungle]

Make Agility a delivery service skill where you take jobs and have to run to the person with what they ordered

[ember token]

[[gnome restaurant]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Gnome_Restaurant

[graceful jungle]

Data living up to his name

Someone’s training slayer but forgot extra prayer pots, I got you bro I’m otw

Expand farming to breeding livestock in your PoH just have cows and chickens chillin at home you feeding em and there’s a chance a rare baby born becomes a pet

They don’t want me to be a mod I’d make RuneScape pop off too hard

[limber creek]

inb4 new skill Animal Husbandry.
And its just farm animal agility

[graceful jungle]

That’s gameplay

[oblique mesa]

I think that would be dressage

[graceful jungle]

If you have 99 thieving you can peek into someone’s pockets and it shows 3 random things they’re holding just to be nosey

[shut dew]

You just made a new casino game of trying to get 3 of a kind

[sharp cave]

They should allow this on dead man except u steal a random item from inventory

[graceful jungle]

Dude hell yeah

[sharp cave]

Contested thieving level check 😂

[signal hawk]

too bad there isn't a poh'cean man random event

[strange cipher]

I noticed a few bugs with the horn of plenty, I reported them in-game and updated the wiki with them (for now). Is there a good place I can drop the bug reports here for visibility?

[fringe rivet]

random sales solicitors could be fun

real talk, if Construction/POH was added today, I wonder how they would approach it?

[limber creek]

we'd have competitions to build chairs for the demon butler by having to path around an obstacle course and picking up a certain amount of planks and nails on our way while not stepping on the nails so we dont take feet damage.

and then theres chairvaging where you just reach into a pile of broken boards until you find something useful.

[graceful jungle]

Multiple people who can’t afford their own single decked out PoH should be able to be roommates and split the costs

One big building with stairs like an apartment complex would be funny

[narrow folio]

Real.

[winged mantle]

Poh mansion

[winged mantle]

They will be opened at the end of the year 👀

[obsidian venture]

In

[winged mantle]

What's that mean?

[winged mantle]

What's In?

[celest quail]

@ancient ember Sorry not sorry for the ping but roses where roses are due for the moveable boat facilities being functional and implemented & so soon. This is great. Thanks yall.

[graceful jungle]

Awe

[tacit pendant]

Any reason besides prayer to go into other peoples houses would be cool

[graceful jungle]

Watch gnomeball on the big screen

[meager flame]

the crazy thing about this is the breach points

im fine with it but you get a lot of points lol

[graceful jungle]

The series Ice Poseidon did closing people’s doors and running from the host is funny asl to this day

[fringe rivet]

that was actually, literally one of the ideas back in runescape classic

there were different tiers of apartments/homes

[graceful jungle]

Let’s goo

[fringe rivet]

early runescape ideas were quite fascinating

player owned homes were going to be the main way you stored items, banks didn't really exist then

and the homes were going to be in the physical world

most of them on the east side of varrock

and as runescape got more and more popular, they kept adding more and more houses for the update

but eventually they learned about the scalability issue and scrapted the whole thing until runescape 2

pvp was more a prominent thing, with dueling being a thing anywhere

But I don't think we'd have now-a-days due to the spaghetti code (and also all the gambling going on)

[graceful jungle]

They gotta bring that back

Fuck

I wanna see beef escalate to a fight right there 😂

[fringe rivet]

I'd sum up the old ideas kind of as.... viewing runescape as a true digital world, with actual RPG mechanics

players used to have to sleep n stuff

and firemaking was viewed more as a survival focused skill

(letting you cook almost anywhere)

magic was split between black and white types for a short while

[graceful jungle]

Oh yeah you had sleeping bags right to restore energy or something

Do they accept live questions at rune fest we need a real one to go up there and tell Jagex what it is

Like yoo

[fringe rivet]

I doubt we will ever get the more RPG-esque mechanics back in OSRS

modern OSRS is so streamlined it's honestly not that different from the likes of 14 or WoW

with teleports to every point of meaningful interest

the best we'll maybe get is from Project Zanaris (the jagex approved player-made private servers)

[zinc galleon]

sailing made me realize how spoiled i am with teleports

[fringe rivet]

when sailing launched and I was just sailing around, seeing those super high leveled kraken scared me and made me feel like I was playing an RPG again

gave me that "O snap, I'm not supposed to be here" type of feeling, you know?

[zealous shoal]

so im reading the facility bottle update

im confused

Facilities should still be something you think carefully about when designing your boat, and moving them should carry a real cost.
but why? I can move entire rooms in my POH around for free...

could be just reworded as

Facilities should still be something you are required to consult the wiki for every time you build one.

[fringe rivet]

this is what we get from unpolled changes~

If I were to make a Zanaris-server, with heavy RPG mechanics n stuff...

first thing I'd probably do is gut/rework most of the teleports

experiment with some survival mechanics, like hunger, heat, sleep

[tacit wharf]

its the hotspots inside a room, not the room itself

[ember token]

you can move rooms around in your POH for free but you have to pay to build them and you cant move around your hotspots

a boat is comparable to a room, the facilities are comparable to a hotspot

[zealous shoal]

except most rooms in the POH only have one hotspot for a given thing. I don't have multiple portal nexus hotspots in my nexus room i have to decide between

[fringe rivet]

there's only like, 2 meaningful boat facility spots tho

and that's the crystal extractor

either near the steering thing, or next to a salvage hook

[ember token]

would recommend reading this comment Elena left on reddit:

The key thing we'd like to avoid is gearing your boat like you would gear up for a boss or for a farm run. We want you to be able to change things - we understand people enjoy going in unguided, and metas change over time, which is why we're offering the option to swap facilities around in the first place. But if it's trivial to do, you may very well end up in a position where you gear your boat before each activity, resulting in a more exhausting gameplay loop in the long run. We'd much rather see dedicated boat builds fit for purpose, e.g. "this is my combat boat" or "this is my trawling boat" - almost like a preset. This will be more and more relevant as we expand the facility system.

Regarding "Why can't I just take the hook off the boat and have it in my inventory?" - we discussed whether we should refund resources, but found it hard to draw the line on which ones to refund. If we refund all resources, then we have to completely remove the Construction XP from building it in the first place. If we only refund some items, how do you draw the line? Do you refund nails, planks? Or only "special" items that are dropped from monsters? But if you do that, what about the magic stones, that are quite expensive? There is no clear line and it becomes arbitrary and hard to understand for players. That's why we decided to go with something similar to flat packs - however, we already have flat packs in game, which work slightly differently. It'd be strange to have one type of flat pack work one way, and a similar one work slightly differently.

We explored the idea of an interface-driven solution like the POH has, however it wouldn't work for moving facilities across boats. The bottle solution is essentially flat packs but thematically different - one that fits the thematic we've already established with moving entire boats.

Yes, we got the initial rates wrong for how long it should take to obtain a bottle, but I do believe that the changes we outlined in the blog will achieve what we set out to do: Allow you to reasonably adjust your boat occasionally, but don't trivialise it.

[fringe rivet]

what, but

that's literally what I already do

I have 5 different boats

for different scenarios

hmm

[brisk hill]

That’s the way it was intended

Gz!

[fringe rivet]

idk, I was just kind of hoping we could store the things that are built in the shipyard?

to me that's more thematic than... a bottle

I mean we literally see boats being built and stuff stored back there already

[gentle badge]

I don't disagree with the idea of purpose-specific boats, but core boat upgrades are so expensive/time-consuming on the high end because of dragon nails/sheets that it's a bit annoying to actually build all the different boats

[fringe rivet]

and I don't see what's wrong letting people do it freely, the main benefit of having multiple boats for different scenarios is time saved

[tacit wharf]

not every activity needs a max boat to do

[gentle badge]

Duh, but it often helps to have upgrades like the rosewood hull, for example

[fringe rivet]

well I got 1 for salvage, 1 for trawling, 1 for combat, a skiff for trials, and a raft cuz it's cute

[gentle badge]

raft is bis for sure

[ember token]

a salvaging boat for example doesnt need the top end upgrades that require dragon materials, outside of the dragon salvaging hooks

[tacit wharf]

well u only need a rosewood hull for ship combat and trawling, which can be done on tha same boat

[fringe rivet]

isnt a better hull just faster?

[round lintel]

more hp

[gentle badge]

faster and more def/hp

[tacit wharf]

would argue u could get away with an ironwood boat for combat even

[fringe rivet]

speed is important for courier runs (which is literally supposed to be the bread and butter of sailing I might add)

[ember token]

which you can do on your skiff, which you want to be fast for trials anyways

[round lintel]

most scenerios yeah like high lvl bounties only krakens and sharks damage you on rosewood

[fringe rivet]

honestly it feels like an oversight tbh

[round lintel]

and orcas barely

[tacit wharf]

using the trawling sloop as well

[fringe rivet]

cargo boat should be big

crew member should be tied to your boat, not just magically appear at your next stop

[ember token]

not really an oversight that you dont need the largest boat to deliver a crate

[fringe rivet]

1 crate, sure

but 9 crates?

[tacit wharf]

ill put it simplier, do u want to make repair kits or make yr sloot hull to rosewood

[fringe rivet]

15 crates?

[ember token]

that many crates on a raft for sure is weird

[tacit wharf]

cargo is a magical storage space

[fringe rivet]

it's more so the my crew of 5 magically showed up at the port I sailed to that's weird to me

that lets me unload so many crates so easily

[narrow folio]

Speaking of crates, empty container button should empty the crates in the bank

[obsidian venture]

The opposite of out

[winged mantle]

what do you mean

[obsidian venture]

Lmao

I said In, as in I’m down to watch the casket opening 😭

[winged mantle]

ohhh lol this will be too long for 1 sitting

[obsidian venture]

🥀

[winged mantle]

planning on getting hndreds of elites

i'm not juggling all the masters

[obsidian venture]

I did that last year

Didn’t get shit

[winged mantle]

20 on the floor is anxiety

[tacit wharf]

too much restraint there

[winged mantle]

I think my limit is like 10 clues to juggle

[vivid ruin]

Those are nice for randomized bingo boards if you get enough

[winged mantle]

gl 3rd age

was v happy to actually hit the table last year

[brisk hill]

Yes gl

Pls remember me & that I am in need of bond when you land 3rd age pic

[winged mantle]

all 3rd age will stay on the iron

[tacit pendant]

Empty containers opening peoples banked caskets would be a funny way to let a few people down

[meager flame]

it kinda sorta does though but thats mostly a result of the meta for all of the other boats

basically because what ends up happening is that your salvage boat isn't the salvage boat

its a salvage and combat boat

[tacit wharf]

u mean yr trawling and combat boat

[meager flame]

theres actually a reason you dont want that

but i'd have to go look at the slots again

i think you end up using a cannon slot for something else

[winged mantle]

kegs

[tacit wharf]

as long as u can get 2 kegs, yr fine

would say u can skip out on CE

[meager flame]

i do think that if they were being cool

they would help the trawling/combat combo work better

because that would end up significantly reducing the burden of what you need to get

since you wouldn't care about your hull upgrades anymore on the other boat

[tacit pendant]

Idm the idea that you have a few boats for diff activities parked at diff places. But if thats the intent were gonna need more some other sources for dragon sheets/nails

[vivid ruin]

Are you an iron

[limber creek]

just salvage to 99 and scrap the skill for now

[obsidian venture]

We keep it pvm only. I have skilling and clues on bingoes tbh

[obsidian venture]

I haven’t seen a new clog in over 250 masters

Burnt

At 650 total atm?

Over half to hound 🥲

[winged mantle]

i'm only at 103 masters tbf

[tacit pendant]

I have both acc type main/iron

Drop rates on a lot of sailing stuff is scuffed as is, so like i know where youre going with that and prob agree

[winged mantle]

I stopped going for any sailing upgrades till they fix combat and add more sources of metal sheets and nails

• give a reason to make the good boat

[tacit pendant]

But also uhhh, grindy game mode is more grindy, even after they fix some drop rates

[winged mantle]

artificially extending a skill is not great design

[tacit pendant]

I am largely neglecting sailing on the iron as there is hardly any reason to do it besides clues

[meager flame]

i mean the only thing i can really say about sailing compared to the rest of the game

[tacit pendant]

Artificial is subjective, and based on if drop rates are built with one boat or multiple in mind

[meager flame]

is that they obviously/clearly designed time sinks into it

it feels really forced

[tacit pendant]

The time sinks feel forced as fuck currently

[winged mantle]

I wanted to make my sloop with the merchant paint but seeing as you need 2 of each rare paint i'm not even bothering

[tacit pendant]

And dragon cannon rates and requirements leave very little room for future upgrades

Feels short sighted

[meager flame]

like usually when you're playing the game you eventually progress to a point where you find some kind of grind thats pretty gross but you gradually ramp up to that

with sailing the content isn't really there but they were like bro we gotta add 40 hours somehow

and thus dragon nails were born

[tacit pendant]

Like what is the barrows cannon gonna be 1000 hours and require 99

[meager flame]

lmao

[winged mantle]

just get 2 visages for 1 sloop

or do slayer aya skipping for x hours!

[meager flame]

it would be different if like idk

you were fighting a sailing boss somewhere along the way it was end game and dropped a really cool cosmetic or something and it took awhile

stuff like that usually makes sense

idk about just piling on the hours like they did though with random low level/irrelevant stuff

[tacit pendant]

Sailing pvm had so much potential lol

[winged mantle]

i would have rather they held off on dragon items for boat parts and tie it in with smithing rework + add sailing bosses that drop said items

new tier of dragon bars

need a component from sailing bosses to smelt down dragon items = dragon cballs etc

integrated

rather that sailing isolated

[tacit pendant]

They didnt need to push tier 92 upgrades day 1

Prayer still at 77 after....

[strange cipher]

then you'd equally get the arguments that "wow they really pushed a half baked update huh, there's no endgame content to grind out"

[graceful jungle]

Didn’t the community vote against new prayers

They polled a new prayer book or something and people said no

[strange cipher]

ruinous powers did pass the poll but community feedback made them pull it back

then we had a brief stint into doing god alignments (4 prayers you swap out) but that also was impossible to balance

[vivid ruin]

Reddit*

[strange cipher]

either it's overpowered or leads to unhealthy game design (shoutout to skilling prayers where it's meta to bring prayer pots + prossy to forestry lol) or is underpowered and therefore underwhelming (shoutout to the cruror prayer which amounted to like, 1% lifesteal because of the comparison to soul split)

[vivid ruin]

Same with demonic digger

[graceful jungle]

Skilling prayers would have been cool

[minor whale]

Passed with a pretty solid majority

Then people started crying

And they went "actually we aren't doing this anymore despite everything passing"

The only thing that shouldn't have been added was the tribrid prayer

[graceful jungle]

Wow

[strange cipher]

that was more of
if you add a desirable skilling upgrade to an endgame boss, you have to make the drop rate super common so it's accessible. imagine if doom dropped it at wave 2 or something at a 1/50. but then the people going for pet or uniques would put 10+ into the game going for treads

[austere mulch]

If they just got rid of the chip damage + alignments, it would’ve been fine

[minor whale]

Alignments were like the 3rd iteration

[strange cipher]

but if you make it super rare, now you get a farming QOL update that is equal rarity to avernic treads. and that's dumb too

[austere mulch]

They did the same with sirens tome from tob

[strange cipher]

way better to put it on something like hespori y'know

[minor whale]

It was whole prayer book was better -> prayer book was nichely better except anywhere difficult where the chip was asinine -> actually we're only gonna do alignments for each God and that's it, 4 prayers you can choose to add -> we're not doing this anymore

[strange cipher]

something that is accessible to people with 70 farming and mid combat stats at a reasonable drop rate, rather than mega common fodder loot from an endgame boss. plus imagine how bad it would feel to see the glowing hole but it's just demonic digger #20

[minor whale]

Doing CG while getting hit 25s through prayer was so useless

And then Jads in Inferno would hit you 14s every attack lmao

[austere mulch]

I’m talking about the god based prayers that were with the first run, that we all got to play with in the beta

Those were a no go

[minor whale]

Oh you mean the vows?

[austere mulch]

Yeah

They were too deep in the lab with those

Fumos specifically

[icy relic]

curses were already balanced, you couldn't flick turmoil

[minor whale]

Yeah those were Nex Minion prayers sorry I thought you meant the last idea they had they also scrapped which was the alignments per God

[icy relic]

also no range/mage turm

[strange cipher]

soul split nutty tho

[icy relic]

yeah too bad we got blood fury so now you don't even need to flick

[minor whale]

Cruor waa totally useless too

[austere mulch]

Just let us get Gambit on the regular prayer book

[icy relic]

also acting like sustain matters in 2026 man

[fringe rivet]

curses were fun af in leagues

[icy relic]

when half the bosses have a teleport right to them

and you can basically already do infinite delves as long as you don't make any catastrophic errors

not infinite but until your supplies run out

[meager flame]

idk why they keep scrapping prayer ideas its not even hard

like

lmao they just need to accept that yes new prayers are going to be power creep just like higher tier weapons and armors

and stop trying to galaxy brain

its kinda weird like they'll talk about adding another megarare like it has to happen but run terrified of a stronger prayer

[zinc galleon]

Someone made an interesting prayer suggestion post a while back with ideas

New prayer books based on diff gods

[tacit wharf]

didnt they say they could fill out 3 books but were short on a 4th, so they shelved it for now

or something a long those lines

[ember token]

thats not why they shelved it and they didnt really fill out 3 books

like there had multiple versions of redemption for example lol

[zinc galleon]

https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1462588171257643229

Found it

[minor whale]

Yeah it was really bad
They just didn't seem to care to develop a change they'd have to think about when balancing all future content

[graceful jungle]

Gang gang

[winter zealot]

revert the bank ui. its really bad.

[tacit wharf]

#game-news

and i think its fine

[graceful jungle]

Make the east Varrock bank great again

It’s like the bank in the hood nobody goes to

[ember token]

its not getting reverted and there's not gonna be a toggle

change is scary but you will get used to it

[tacit wharf]

east varrock bank use to be where my boys met up for pk trips

[meager flame]

i still dont really know why they're just dead set on having the same interface for both versions of the game

guys clicking on a desktop and guys trying to hit things with their thumb on a phone screen are not playing the same game

[tacit pendant]

Even if they wanted to force the allignments idea. It could just be one prayer per allignment on release

[zinc galleon]

Mobile players chose to play with that restriction, we shouldn’t cater to them 😤

[tacit pendant]

But id rather just new prayers be added to our current book

[bronze kernel]

Biggest problem is protection prayers are OP from a game design perspective. The prayer books without it must be extremely strong or worth losing those. Or have more powerful versions which you probably won't leave the prayer book on

[graceful jungle]

Will they ever add xp locking tho damnnn what if i wanna use str and get no str exp?

[tacit wharf]

then train str

[bronze kernel]

To be honest, instead of a new prayer book, they literally could have just added the 4 Vows as the rewards and called it a day.

[bronze kernel]

You chose to limit yourself with your own self imposed limitations

[tacit pendant]

I liked the eat faster one

[gentle badge]

I'm guessing it's for ease of development

[graceful jungle]

Eat faster is funny as hell

What if you started out fat at level 3 and agility slimmed you down

[tacit pendant]

This is just normal iron progression from barrows gear to blood moon

[bronze kernel]

The flaming bread icon for that was honestly funny

[tacit pendant]

Fun little thing to manage when u might need to eat soon

New prayer mega rare is just power creep for retribution

[graceful jungle]

Can we get FunOrb back

[minor whale]

I'm hoping we get some prayers for Raids 4

A megarare prayer for melee 🧠

[bronze kernel]

But what could it do, realistically?

[zinc galleon]

+100% damage-50% defense (overhead)

[winter zealot]

I've played since 2004 and have enjoyed most changes. This isn't one of them.

If jagex isn't willing to revert it I'll hold out hope for a plugin.

Don't be weirdly patronising

[ember token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1249064275859996705/1440544617786511400/scong2.gif

[gleaming karma]

The bank update is the epitome of poor developer communication and scope creep with no oversight. SMH. Management shame on you.

[ember token]

poor communication like they didnt show us exactly what it was going to look like months ago

scope creep implying that it was beyond the scope of adding a new button to adjust things as part of making room for the new button

[gleaming karma]

are you here just to troll for real? this is the updates/suggestions channel. crawl back wherever you came from bro

[ember token]

i was thinking the same of you lol

[gleaming karma]

this is LITERALLY where feedback goes

fuckin AI generation brain rot shit

[ember token]

i didnt say you couldnt post feedback here

[gleaming karma]

ignored bye

[ember token]

i was just saying your feedback is nonsense because they literally showed what it would look like beforehand, simple as that

[winter zealot]

I only really see 2 opinions for bank UI. Which is either someone disliking it or someone saying you will get used to it

[tacit wharf]

i dont dislike it

[dawn jackal]

osrs adults don't lose your mind when a small ui change occurs (level: impossible)

[restive siren]

im totally fine with it too

[winter zealot]

The extra button is nice for some people sure but that doesn't mean you change literally everything

[tacit wharf]

but it did

[winter zealot]

Like why change the ordering of the deposit box icons

[tacit wharf]

didnt they change those all to be the same now

[minor whale]

It's not the worst thing ever
It's functional and will have better functionality when the equipped things can be deposited from the button
They made changes that had been widely asked for and shown a mock-up of that got good feedback

[winter zealot]

People can't explain why they like it. They just patronise and troll people who don't. It's a useless conversation really. Just gonna have to hold out hope for a plugin

[dawn jackal]

when you entry frag a conversation with "shame on you management" and "crawl back wherever you came from bro"

[restive siren]

thats ironic when 99% of the negative feedback is "ree change bad me misclick once"

[minor whale]

Can't explain why they like it?
It's fine
They got rid of the conflicting text vs icon and made enough room for another button which is useful without overcrowding the space

[dawn jackal]

you probably will get some pushback

[austere mulch]

Same

Gambit pls n ty

[winter zealot]

It's not though is it

[gleaming karma]

some real brainrot speak there LOL

[restive siren]

true, 10% complain about it not being polled lmao

[winter zealot]

It's the equivalent of someone changing your keyboard layout and saying get used to it

[tacit wharf]

tube has some solid points, id suggest you take heed of in the future

[winter zealot]

Sure it doesn't matter but why do it anyway

[minor whale]

They moved 3 buttons, of which 2 of them you can just menu entry swap to not have left click do anything requiring a more thoughtful right click

[restive siren]

nobody will talk about this in a weeks time, this is so hilariously overblown

[winter zealot]

• Potion storage buttons takes longer to load for me and toggling things in the settings just doesn't work for some reason

[restive siren]

is settings font work you probably have a plugin interfering

[ember token]

the potion storage thing is valid, it's curious that it wasnt tick dependent before but now it opens with the tick system

[restive siren]

and if not you found a bug and should report it, bugs happen every update

[winter zealot]

I also can't toggle off empty containers without the other icons shifting

It's a mess really and should have been tested properly even if people did ask for it. I'm looking forward to all the other content coming though and think jagex does a good job usually. Just didn't like this one and I'm gonna have to use it all the time.

[empty quest]

Wonder why they moved the Catherby leprechaun closer to the herb patch? I welcome the change, but what's the rationale? They've done this before and reverted it.

[nocturne solstice]

They moved all the leprechauns closer to the herb patch for convenience. People got upset so they reverted it.

[vivid ruin]

Wonder when jmods will realize that they can never make everyone happy

[nocturne solstice]

i think they learned that a long time ago. They're just also willing to admit mistakes and revert updates if they're wildly unpopular

[ember token]

are you sure they moved it?

[nocturne solstice]

the leprechaun stuff? yeah pretty sure

[ember token]

sorry i mean @empty quest

[nocturne solstice]

ah all g

[ember token]

the location on the wiki seems to match the location ingame, and the wiki page hasnt been updated recently

actually maybe it was moved a single tile (or maybe the wiki was just slightly off)

[vivid ruin]

Y did u remove an a from ur name

[ember token]

mobile user detected

[vivid ruin]

;p

[ember token]

its there, it just doesnt render on some mobile devices

[vivid ruin]

Ohhhh interesting