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dawn jackal
narrow folio
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Bonds are good because I can sustain for free

dawn jackal
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you can find this in less than 1 minute on the google.com website

meager flame
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What kind of delay from another galaxy are we on rn anyways about bonds and p2w

graceful jungle
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Can’t vote for bonds then cry the game is p2w

north vessel
dawn jackal
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johnthehero you seem to think people are upset the game is p2w

sharp cave
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these should have been seperate questions lol

dawn jackal
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that is not the case

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i don't mind people buying bonds for gp at all

north vessel
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Chivalry would be better use for pures than mains as it sits right now.

tender harness
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I know im late on the whole UX thing but this just reeks of mobile

sharp cave
tender harness
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I did vote no

north vessel
sharp cave
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well sorry but you are in the extreme minority 🙁

north vessel
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Voted for a dump containers button, not a ui brain wrinkle remover

graceful jungle
tender harness
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UX redesign is overdue but like
this needed more time in the oven

meager flame
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I mean mobile changes make sense nobody trying to press those little ass buttons

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Idk why they’d change the normal ui for that though

north vessel
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Gimme my little ass buttons back

tender harness
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I dont want mobile enshitification on PC

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no offense to mobile only

north vessel
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None taken

ember token
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arggh nooo they made the buttons slightly larger aaaahhhh

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jaaagggeeeexxxxx

sharp cave
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seeing as how it was mentioned july last year and we got more posts about holey moleys than ui suggestions i think says it all?

north vessel
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Feel like a 2nd grader opening a picture book

graceful jungle
dawn jackal
tender harness
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dont let the UX redesign distract you from people still wanting wildy bosses to not be gated

dawn jackal
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i don't think many do

vivid ruin
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Where is that dude who was always complaining about razmirs shop and irons? Im surprised he isnt jumping up and down in here today

tender harness
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probably coped a mute

sharp cave
north vessel
sharp cave
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the only real complaint is the search and placeholder button are swapped?

north vessel
sharp cave
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same side as pc?

north vessel
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For context, im missing half my left thumb, any thing changed from right side to left i hate.

graceful jungle
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If the bank ui ends up being the biggest controversy this year I’d say we had a pretty good year lol

north vessel
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It moved from top right to top left.

dawn jackal
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idk this barrows moon controversy might be larger than the ui stuff

sharp cave
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i dont think i go in there more than twice a year, not to belittle your usage of it, but im curious?

north vessel
sharp cave
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ah yeah i guess, i dont really use the lock slotting

north vessel
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Ima start a mobile locked half thumb hardcore ironman youtube channel some day.

charred oracle
sharp cave
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its a shame they didnt get more feedback on their initial pitch i guess?

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since the release looks basically identical to that pitch

north vessel
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It really is shit, but just like the whole mobile ui change, people will get use to it.

azure burrow
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then jagex can get used to me being in 302 with my cannons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

charred oracle
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Plugin to change it back when

dawn jackal
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i am convinced no matter what would change with UI there will be an oversized contingent of people calling it shit and overreacting

north vessel
dawn jackal
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people are very sensitize to ui changes

charred oracle
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I have banked my equipped items like 20x today

north vessel
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When they hit us with the new mobile ui, i HATED it. Now that im use to it idk how i ever played before.

charred oracle
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Pls end my suffering

north vessel
sharp cave
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there you go problem solved

graceful jungle
charred oracle
sharp cave
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no play on pc

charred oracle
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Hdos one looks diff

hard axle
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hear me out, we make 99 agility or 45 defense HYPERBRUH

sharp cave
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use runelite

north vessel
graceful jungle
charred oracle
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how come we can't use hdos and such on mobile anyways

hard axle
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im only partially joking about this

sharp cave
meager flame
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Jagex would also prefer to never have a playable client

hard axle
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cuz if someone wants to pot 99 agility (200+ hours of rooftops or 100+ hours sepulcher) over 45 defense, let them lmao

meager flame
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They’re working on hd though

hard axle
dusk shore
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Caring about Pures doing raid 4 whatsoever is a litmus test of being below 1500 total level

graceful jungle
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Once they’re confident in their plugin hub and HD is a thing it’s the end for runelite

meager flame
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Lmao they honestly should that shit is a waste of time now without plugins

hard axle
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stating disingenuous bullshit is a litmus test of being a sane person ThumbsUp

north vessel
hard axle
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sadgecry

graceful jungle
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I think we all know deep down one day they’re forcing us to use the Jagex client

tacit wharf
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good

hard axle
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cuz quest reqs are already going down down down since sote

north vessel
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Hopefully they hire the entire runelite team first.

tender harness
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is this like MSN or something?

hard axle
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it do be wild that the highest agility level required for QPC is 70

charred oracle
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My runescape social number?

tender harness
sharp cave
north vessel
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QPC should only require quests that existed on release and you cant change my mind.

brisk hill
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?

charred oracle
# north vessel

Having to turn it off and then turn it on later is mean. x.x Dunno why they moved stuff

brisk hill
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This channel on god was much cooler when it was PvPcord

sharp cave
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it isnt the end of the world

meager flame
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It makes sense to move on for jagex if they can but they shelved the plugin hub

north vessel
meager flame
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So they can’t do that now

graceful jungle
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And in some ways it makes sense

sharp cave
charred oracle
meager flame
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It’s just flat out less work to have one version of the client

hard axle
meager flame
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It makes tons of sense

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They just had to actually make the hub

brisk hill
graceful jungle
hard axle
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90 agility

meager flame
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Since they didn’t though they’re fucked

hard axle
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40+ wildy

brisk hill
hard axle
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im telling you, every time rev is below 30 wildy, it's a fucking dumbass shit show

brisk hill
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200k to enter

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We have just solved the multi rev botting issue

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Wow

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Oh wait I forgot lol the constant pkers did that themselves lol

hard axle
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im willing to sacrifice the 808s for middle grounds nodding

graceful jungle
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Plus the Jagex client is C++ instead of Java it’s more future proof

tender harness
charred oracle
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I disabled both the empty containers and deposit worn items button, but at deposit boxes that doesn't work ._.

meager flame
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Ya they should probably just scrap the c++ client after their latest move

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Just wasting resources on it outside of having mobile

sharp cave
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hd will probably bring in the most players though

hard axle
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asia servers would probably be more

charred oracle
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Maybe if they do more playable races with it

sharp cave
meager flame
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It won’t do anything lol people will get on find out the game is cooked as fuck and then look up any new player guide

graceful jungle
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Yeah HD is what brand new people are gonna be excited about

meager flame
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Find out they absolutely cannot play without runelite

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And lose their hd

hard axle
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if folks don't play osrs because of the graphics, i personally don't want those folks here HmmPepe

zinc galleon
meager flame
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Or quit

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Most likely quit

sharp cave
hard axle
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and guess what

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that's player created and maintained

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not jagex

meager flame
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Yeah a very terrible hd compared to the jagex alternative

sharp cave
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ok but adding the hub to the jag client brings in no new players

sharp cave
tender harness
graceful jungle
sharp cave
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calling it terrible is disingenuous

meager flame
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I mean we all have our bias lol

graceful jungle
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It’s like a hacky HD

tender harness
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I mean hdos looks like poo

sharp cave
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hacky or not, if it works, it works?

tender harness
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but you get 3 people who love that

hard axle
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having an hd option essentially jagex have to double their art workload, it brings in more superficial players that didn't play because of older graphics, etc.

meager flame
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I think it’s great for something a player created but is substantially worse than what jagex can do

sharp cave
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if you dont like how far 117hd goes, almost all of the feature are toggleable

tender harness
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sure but if they didnt play because of graphics, odds are they probably wont play even with HD
or even if they do they churn before anything relevant

sharp cave
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if you want it to be almsot vanilla with shadows thats possible

hard axle
sharp cave
hard axle
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getting them off runelite and eventually decommissioning it

meager flame
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The fact that we can all use one client jagex can drop support for old client

sharp cave
hard axle
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are u being disingenuous or actually don't know?

zenith pike
hard axle
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less bots my guy

meager flame
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And that our plugins will likely be better as long as the api is good

sharp cave
hard axle
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runelite forks drive so many bots it's unreal

meager flame
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And performance will be substantially better than runelite

sharp cave
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jagex of all companies

graceful jungle
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Runelite HD on top of the Java client is serviceable to some but it could be better if it was native, the performance-to-look ratio is poor. Official HD could be 100+ FPS with no dips on the C++ client, Runelite’s HD is just throwing post processing and textures on the game and praying

hard axle
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even if it's not perfect, having their own client and plugin hub will hamper bots a lot

meager flame
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It actually already is with their client

hard axle
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like... lol

meager flame
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Hdos also runs much better than runelite

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The platform just sucks

hard axle
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yeah cuz they lack a lot of plugins iirc

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that's the same reason why jagex hasn't taken down runelite - they know players will quit

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without a viable alternative

sharp cave
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well, i wish i could have the same hopfull outlook that you do lol

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but i simply dont think that its going to hinder bot makers very much

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it will be an initial big hit, and it will be back to business as ususal

meager flame
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Basically everyone that plays was going to get a big upgrade if jagex executed their plugin hub well

graceful jungle
hard axle
meager flame
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Not that it matters now since someone making choices over there is fried

brisk hill
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I agree RL enables script makers but I also agree that an official Jagex client likely won’t slow bots down

hard axle
sharp cave
hard axle
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yeah stfu lmao

meager flame
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We will just get a really pretty worst available client from jagex now

hard axle
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just like how the gim team was separate

sharp cave
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i dont think the art team was working on the plugin hub?

hard axle
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and they delayed every update afterwards

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human resources are still resources

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u can move them around

sharp cave
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to a degree, but you cant put someone who draws skyboxes on the team for coding the plugin hub?

meager flame
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Tbf they did flat out say they were stopping one to focus on the other

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Idk if I really believe that but lol

hard axle
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hd is artwork related

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you wanna see a content that they simultaneously released a visually well designed content and a complete shit in a box?

meager flame
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It’s probably more technical than that

hard axle
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Varlamore Part 1

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PM vs Colo on release lmao

meager flame
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Implementing a new way of displaying the game with the client and less making skyboxes

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That’s where the plugin hub people get moved around

hard axle
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like, you can't move artistic folks into a coding space unless they have space, but who says u can't move them to a project with a similar role

hard axle
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just similar role

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Europe is notoriously protective of staff so they won't fire folks easily, just move them around to other projects

sharp cave
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well, idk they have clearly decided that hd will bring more return on investment

hard axle
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until it gets shelved

meager flame
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Yeah I just think they’re cooked

sharp cave
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🤷

meager flame
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Everyone’s friends will still say it’s ugly when you tell them to use runelite because you care about them

shut dew
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Why wouldn't they poll the change for wildy bosses needing diary?

hard axle
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because balance changes don't need to be polled

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just like how they didn't poll what the initial access requirements was on release

zinc galleon
graceful jungle
shut dew
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Not balance. Its locking people out of content with no heads up.

hard axle
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they've never polled balance changes that were even remotely getting criticized or voted no Shrug

tardy oasis
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I don't think hd should of been the focus, I really thought the original plan was make the official client and api then get rid of runelite TOO since developing runelite plugins sucks anyways and it would be more stable on official client (plus jagex gets control over what plugins) they just kinda threw HD in there too and for some reason that gets more talk

brisk hill
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There lies your answer 👍

meager flame
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Jagex just recognizes hd is a good move but isn’t built to do it the right way

sharp cave
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its werid that they think making bots do the hard diary is going to have any impact

meager flame
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Trying to cut corners and will fail

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As usual

sharp cave
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as if they dont get tens of thouands of kc

graceful jungle
brisk hill
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Low barrier for entry

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News flash : low barrier for entry doesn’t matter if I’m a robot lol

sharp cave
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yeah i mean you only have to look at the amount of cg bots to see that adding requirements on does nothing to stop bots

tardy oasis
hard axle
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Both of you are dumb as fuck if u think that erm

charred oracle
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Seeing too many bots with 99's or top ranks so I already know it's a jagex prob for detection

shut dew
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They want voidwaker to cost more so badly that they will lock people out of froup content

brisk hill
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You mean it’s an extra 11 hours of the robot doing stuff? Ok lol

meager flame
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Jagex is just cooked because they don’t understand that what actually sells osrs is word of mouth and their relationship with their existing community

hard axle
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Answer this: Are there more CG bots than lower level requirement bots?

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assuming none get banned

brisk hill
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You could assume either is true

meager flame
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So we will just tell everyone their client is trash and they’ll swerve the hd client when they come in because of it

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Idk how they don’t understand that but lol

brisk hill
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Higher reqs = less chance of being banned
Lower reqs = more bans but more accs

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Hard to tell w/o data

charred oracle
zinc galleon
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Delete wilderness bosses 🧠
delete the wilderness 🧠
delete runescape 🧠
bot problem solved 🤖

narrow folio
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Word.

hard axle
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mass produceable = cheaper

gritty frigate
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We should have to complete Varrock Elite diaries to be able to cross wildy ditch too

hard axle
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if u don't believe requirements help (nothing will ever fully fix), then ur being delusional because wildy is a key indicator of this

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it mitigates it enough that jagex can better handle it

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it's easier to ban 100 CG bots than 100000 woodcutting bots

zinc galleon
ionic tartan
charred oracle
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I know what will solve the problem entirely. Require medium diaries to run a bot!

hard axle
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that's my point

meager flame
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Nah I’ve gotten too many new players to play and while the game being ugly is one problem

brisk hill
meager flame
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The biggest is that once they try playing there are a million settings and plugins for qol that they don’t even know they need without help

zinc galleon
meager flame
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And they can’t get that with the official client

hard axle
charred oracle
ionic tartan
hard axle
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there's so many plugins that have been made over the years and so many more

sharp cave
hard axle
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that Jagex API will nto be able to keep up

sharp cave
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its +1 player end of the day

hard axle
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esp if Jagex has to approve each plugin

meager flame
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They usually don’t get hooked like that in my experience

charred oracle
zenith pike
graceful jungle
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You know thousands of people are on HDOS just for graphics right and know it doesn’t have half the plugins runelite has

meager flame
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It’s usually a lot of being confused and what do I do and I spend time giving them goals and explaining things to them

graceful jungle
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They’re trading plugins for graphics

hard axle
zenith pike
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No wonder they shelved the api that shit is voodoo witchcraft

meager flame
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And then they end up liking the game

charred oracle
meager flame
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I’m sure most people without someone helping like that just bounce right off the game

hard axle
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it takes like a week at the earliest

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several months if it's controversial

zenith pike
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how could they not

charred oracle
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sailing came out pretty quick, the plugin

hard axle
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i have friends who make RL plugins and they were using me for feedback

sharp cave
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by far

hard axle
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yup

graceful jungle
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A brand new person isn’t even gonna know what they’re missing or care to go on Reddit to find out they’re trying to see if they even want to play at all

hard axle
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remember that RL staff are volunteers

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but there's so many of them

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that they produce plugins and review much faster than jagex

meager flame
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Yeah and they’re gonna be confused and annoyed a lot of the time

brisk hill
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I pray a brand new player doesn’t go to Reddit my god

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Redditors had the wow noobs flicking prayer before they were 60cb

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Mod Matt K HELP US

graceful jungle
zenith pike
meager flame
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Long time players underestimate runelite somehow even basic stuff like left click options making sense makes the game a lot less frustrating

hard axle
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But yeah, Jagex API, HD, and PZ are all shit that don't add much to the game immediately erm

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I wish they would demo and beta test more concepts in Leagues, DMM that could be reasonably imported to main game if people like it

brisk hill
gritty frigate
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Dear Jmods, could you please make Corp beast iron friendly? Loot share between all particpants or something

north vessel
graceful jungle
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A brand new person has no frame of reference to latch on to

meager flame
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Yeah but then they start clicking stuff and trying to find the option they want

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One is much easier than the other

graceful jungle
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They won’t know what option they want from their pov this is just how the game is

vivid ruin
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Dear jagex delete ironmode please

graceful jungle
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You’re looking at it from an experienced players lens

meager flame
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Ya but think about it you see an npc and click it

brisk hill
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Dear jagex, encourage ppl to pvp in dmm

zenith pike
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just a smidgen more

meager flame
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Do you want a roleplay chatbox to open or to need to right click to investigate what options it has if you remember right click works that way

sharp cave
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can we just remove corp

meager flame
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Or do you want the banker to open the bank

brisk hill
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No I like macing ely’s

sharp cave
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raids 4 😄

brisk hill
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Can my pure go

gritty frigate
meager flame
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Runelite makes the game more playable and intuitive for new people and experienced players

graceful jungle
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You’re talking like an experienced player still. Clicking a banker and dialogue popping up intuitively makes sense. You have an efficiency mindset because you’re experienced

minor whale
zenith pike
vivid ruin
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Ironmen will stop complaining after and only after ironmode gets deleted

sharp cave
prime vault
sharp cave
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i dont think that they should be locked out because jagex decided to put the raid in a thematic location

meager flame
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Nah it just creates a situation where what a thinking human wants is what most often happens

restive storm
sharp cave
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they absoultly should not get any of the quest rewards or unlocks though (like demonbane weapons)

gritty frigate
meager flame
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Gamers typically don’t even read lmao

azure burrow
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they are choosing to not level defense

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no raiding for them

graceful jungle
gritty frigate
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bro can beat vorkath with no hands no legs

prime vault
meager flame
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Nah I just play games with other people

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If you ask them to read it’s over

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Lmao not even kidding

north vessel
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If corp got group mechanics itd be like nex mass, everyone just massing and 1 hit praying to get a drop.

sharp cave
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it isnt even hard to tie into the lore, just have one of the guardians of armadyl "recruiting" people to do the raid in at the top of the chasm

quartz anchor
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yo, does the new boat facility bottle let you move facilities between boats, or does it have to be on the same boat

meager flame
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I guarantee you if you allowed them to skip the tutorial they’d skip and try to play based on vibes

restive storm
azure burrow
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im none of those things but ill vote no anyway

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not sure what im voting no to tbh

sharp cave
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I wouldnt even be opposed to requiring wgs completion to wield the raid rewards, but pures should be allowed to at least fight the bosses and sell the loot

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theres litterally no good arugment against locking them out

prime vault
meager flame
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I mean just make some crazy bs they have to do so some mahjarrat lets them in through the back for raids 4

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It would probably be fun

restive storm
meager flame
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Less controversial than changing a million quests too

sharp cave
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but theres defenitly a reasonable compromise to allow pures to participate

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people are acting as if we have to remove all the requirements and give pures all the rewards and theres no middle ground

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its insane

quasi sandal
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Is forestry basket not part of the empty container update?

ionic tartan
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Maybe it's a balancing act by Jagex? Irons get holy moley disassembly and zombie pirates, skillers/809 lose wildy bosses and rogue's chest.

harsh herald
meager flame
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This time it’s easy just because the thematic involved makes you coming in with a different faction an interesting angle

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Since the standard is you coming in with the wgs team

prime vault
harsh herald
restive storm
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It’s good to see this discord has finally come around to being sick of ironscape too at this point tbh

prime vault
meager flame
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I still think it’s funny that basically all modern additions to the wild are just rotating through being nerfed over and over

prime vault
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It was a group ironman to 😂

meager flame
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As jagex finds out that making bot paradise was a dumb idea

restive storm
azure burrow
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no pvm kc kinda does mean youre a noob no?

prime vault
zenith pike
azure burrow
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they are skilling noobs cuz low skill levels

prime vault
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It was just funny being called a noob and then a no lifing loser at the same time

harsh herald
meager flame
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Bold to call those people

zenith pike
north vessel
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Love me a moons max iron.

meager flame
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Next we’re gonna call uims people

quartz anchor
brisk hill
restive storm
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Seems kinda pointless

prime vault
sharp cave
azure burrow
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immersion

zenith pike
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long answer or short answer

sharp cave
prime vault
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Story time

azure burrow
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i dont want weak characters wearing ghostly robes fighting along side me in battle

sharp cave
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lol

carmine compass
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I guess the blind are now using banks so they had to change the look of it, so people 10 miles away can see certain buttons 😶

azure burrow
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idk you asked for a reason

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lmao

zenith pike
sharp cave
azure burrow
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how is that not good

sharp cave
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"uhhh i dont want pures in the raid uhhh the sky is blue"

azure burrow
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you dont think people wanna me immersed

zenith pike
restive storm
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What you worried they’re gonna have a faster completion time or something

bronze kernel
sharp cave
azure burrow
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i dont wanan see those rags standing in the lobby while forming a real group

zenith pike
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what about elder chaos robes

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they got 1%

restive storm
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Then you just wouldn’t raid with them?

zenith pike
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that's pretty good

restive storm
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Or go to a 2350 world, they won’t be there

vivid ruin
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They should give the raid hella chip damage that can only be prevented by 70+ def kekw

azure burrow
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ok we going to far. ill fight u for saying that

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frlfrl

vivid ruin
azure burrow
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NO chip damage

restive storm
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I’d vote yes

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Just so they feel the pain their dumbasses have caused us

zenith pike
vivid ruin
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But if you have 70 def the chip damage is near 0

azure burrow
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NO chip damage

zenith pike
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yes chip damage

restive storm
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We’re talking like 50 dmg / 4 seconds

zenith pike
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ah hell nah

azure burrow
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play fight perfectly = take zero damage = good design = good boss = ty yagex

restive storm
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Alright I guess I could agree, but we gotta take that outta the escape caves too then

vivid ruin
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You get access, but....

azure burrow
minor whale
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It also prevents them from instituting any mechanics ever that hard require a high defense to a monster
It's very boring to limit what a raid can have to cater to certain builds

restive storm
sharp cave
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sounds like a boring mechanic

azure burrow
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not only prayers

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but yes play fight perfect, why take dmg

restive storm
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Prayers movement etc

carmine compass
restive storm
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Basically ain’t nobody tryina merch justi sets hoping for giga chip damage in raids

zenith pike
restive storm
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Cuz it’d just be lame to do

azure burrow
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no chip doom = good doom

zenith pike
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good for doom yes, chip for raid good too

sharp cave
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why do we have to pile more disadvantages on top lol?

azure burrow
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hmm i take into consideration

sharp cave
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pure spite?

zenith pike
# sharp cave pure spite?

nah, it's just things that hurt us give us a reason to avoid it and get creative. Sure some content works well without it but without it some content can become increasingly stale

hard axle
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bro

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I'm getting tripped up

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so hard by the empty containers button 😭

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it's just muscle memory

dawn jackal
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you can remove

hard axle
#

no no, cuz i normally click search

versed wind
#

I get rearranging some things, but like, does switching the location of the settings and equipment buttons provide any benifit? Why Jagex :/

lament ridge
# sharp cave it wouldnt be immersive if a guardian of armadyl was recruiting people to fight ...

I mean it depends on the story, if in "your world" Lucien is still chilling, maybe doesnt even have the staff yet, but then they're recruiting to help fight against "the Lucien who just murdered a bunch of characters" then it doesn't fit.

Happy for it to fit lorewise after temple of ikov, or allow pures to do WGS, but I'd be a little annoyed if they start a precedent of the same shitty 5th/6th age time travel shit that's in RS3 by having the raid clearly take place after WGS without having to do it

#

Very minor gripe though, I wouldn't vote no over it

lime mural
#

hey all, thoughts on the news post with respect to seeker arrows? how do we think that will be calculated? additive? (dark bow spec) 😉

sharp cave
#

it was just a basic idea, im sure jagex could flesh it out to be more believable

ember token
#

they could make it access to the raid without WGS work in an acceptable way lore-wise but i'm very cautious

ember token
#

but who knows, spaghetti code

lament ridge
#

Yeah I'm sure, I mean Lucien is already established as a threat before WGS so it could just as well be "seeking knowledge to stop Lucien" whether that's pre-stone of Jas Lucien or after

#

Depends on if Lucien actually shows up in the raid itself, I doubt it though?

ember token
#

I don't think he will

lament ridge
#

yeah seems like a reserved for GM quest kinda thing

lime mural
#

I'm thinking it will make dark bow spec with dragon arrows become 10+10 min hit (up from 8+8)

shadow wave
#

Ed did say in the Q&A that this isn't part of the mahjarrat questline as such and you won't need do have a raid completion for a future mahjarrat quest

ember token
#

the raid is a sideplot that isnt required for the mahjarrat storyline

#

yeah

lime mural
#

wouldn't dbow -> surge pot -> dbow be nuts?

graceful jungle
#

Yall see the cringe in fally people protesting the bank update like when you remember these are grown men its sad as hell

ember token
#

change is scary

prime vault
thick beacon
north vessel
#

Just the dbow in max gear spec now is 48-48 isn't it? So potential 50-50 with seeking arrows?

chrome lantern
#

No, it wouldn't increase their maxhit at all

#

But if you mean to say with the new amulet

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Maybe idk I haven't calced

north vessel
#

The arrows from what i understood were potentially +2 max hit. Maybe i misread.

thick beacon
#

its min hit increase

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which I think is not 1-1 with 2max hit increase but idk

north vessel
#

Ahh then yea i misread.

meager flame
#

tbf you cant even really get that mad at people protesting the ui

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if jagex had one signature bad game design update

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its probably their ui

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in both versions of the game lol

#

it pretty much never really hits correctly on the first attempt

hard axle
#

leave the existing config alone, add to it

meager flame
#

remember when they changed the rune pouch

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and they did basically everything wrong

#

yeah

hard axle
#

shifting the letters down 1

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fucks up muscle memory

#

I would honestly revert this and then put an empty containers over the unlock placeholder 😭

meager flame
#

did the same to spirit trees too

hard axle
#

exactly

meager flame
#

just reordered it one update then had to fix it

hard axle
#

when they added priff

meager flame
#

the sailing ui is another example

#

theres a scroll bar on something you'd use in combat

#

lmao like

hard axle
#

I hate when games try to modernize because it ALWAYS ends up shit

#

I never had an issue with the old League of Legend client crashing on me

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and with a significantly worse PC back then

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now this shit crashes on the regular between rounds on a 2k pc erm

meager flame
#

i wouldn't mind if they just gave us the tools to customize our own ui in a positive way

hard axle
#

I don't like that honestly

#

there should be some sembalance of similarity between clients

meager flame
#

im fine with it as long as they actually do things you'd actually want to do

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like let you resize buttons or like change font sizes or borders colors stuff like that

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but yeah if they come in and just make a change for everyone with no options

#

people are just gonna be pissed

north vessel
#

Unlock placeholder should be a setting, not a button, i dont know if they changed it, but the amount of times ive mis clicked that button on mobile and scrambled my gear tab is pain.

hard axle
meager flame
#

ya theres no reason its a button

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they're just unhinged

chrome lantern
#

I use that button intentionally all the time

meager flame
#

like

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i think the only time i actually interact with my placeholders to remove one

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is if i have like a big stupid loot tab somewhere and im just trying to get bank space back

hard axle
meager flame
#

and i dont even really need a button for that

hard axle
#

that's how it should be

north vessel
#

I literally went and unlocked potion storage when my bank hit 700 slots, i hated the clutter of my pots tab anyway.

meager flame
#

but most of the time with my tabs im just about never wanting anything to happen to my placeholders

#

but you know what would fix all of that for everyone

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if you could just open up settings and turn any button on or off and put it where you wanted it

north vessel
#

Last time my gear tab scrambled i legit 1tick thumbs down logged out.

#

Its time we got split stacks on vanilla clients. Id love to have seperate tabs set up for different content like rl does.

hard axle
#

I would rather have a second row

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empty containers under the empty inventory

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and keep the shit the same

meager flame
#

they dont do that because they're stuck with a specific size

north vessel
#

Id rather shit in my hands and clap than have even less viewable back space on mobile.

meager flame
#

it needs way more customizability basically

north vessel
#

Literally every thing on mobile clutters the screen, why not make the bank take more space.

#

Especially when the chat box and mini maps are minimized.

brisk hill
#

Reduce the amount of worlds the wildy is accessible in

remote ruin
#

does the new empty containers button work with fish crates?

narrow folio
#

Good question

limber creek
graceful jungle
#

We should isolate the irons to iron-only worlds so they can talk about how theyre iron btw and leave us alone

brisk hill
#

We should have anyone who has beef with each other to duel in the wildy

tender harness
obsidian venture
#

It’s always good content

brisk hill
obsidian venture
#

Wildy duo battles should be a thing

#

Basic med/max set and gl

brisk hill
limber creek
#

it is a thing! If you have 2 and your opponents show up with 2. You'd be surprised how many times me and a homie fight 2v3 or 2v4 and absolutely eat them alive!

brisk hill
#

As is ofc unofficial

obsidian venture
#

Yeah

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We just do it for tob because it’s the most interesting scale

#

As many do not pot duos and so it’s fun to watch

#

Usually over random and pointless beef

brisk hill
#

Ok wait. Minute

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You mean ppl raid duo

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But not battle duo

brisk hill
#

I’ve been bamboozled

obsidian venture
#

We have a point system and a panel of judges as well

brisk hill
#

I’ve been BAmboozled

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I thought you were having ppl fight each other l0”

#

I’m thinking“hell yeah!”

obsidian venture
#

LMAO

#

mbmb

#

Duo are the best way to judge how much people suck at tob

#

And boy there isn’t a limit

rigid silo
#

Are there any good updates today? because the menu stuff is stupid, the bank interface stuff is stupid, and the facility bottle is stupid. It's one of the worst cases of 'No thanks, I didn't ask for this' I've seen. someone tell me something is good today?

brisk hill
#

But also not pog same time

rigid silo
brisk hill
#

So! Not all bad I guess peepognomeblush

graceful jungle
brisk hill
limber creek
# brisk hill But also not pog same time

instead of giving us a way to kill and quell the bots not only taking away their active gp made but their bank values internally, we instead pushed an update to take more players out of the wilderness, and cause bots to have to skill for an additional day prior to rebotting the same content.

brisk hill
#

Essentially you’ve just killed all pure pking at these locations

limber creek
#

Which will kill med pking at these locations that like to hunt and bully pures.

#

Which will hurt main pking at these locations that like to hunt and bully meds

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Which will hurt people like me and you that attack everything

brisk hill
#

It’s unfortunate but soon “fair fights” is all we will have

hard axle
#

easiest way to kill bots is to let anyone attack anyone in wildy, but we don't talk about that fishh

brisk hill
#

Can’t wait to spec trade with my target until one of us dies

limber creek
#

Opt in pvp is just a step away.
And it all started with skull prevention.

brisk hill
#

not so much opt in

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but i wouldnt be surprised if nothing w/ incentive was ever added to wildy going forward

limber creek
#

"2/3 wishes to pk you, do you accept"

graceful jungle
#

"wishes to pk you" is funny wording

brisk hill
#

my brain is mush hopefully that sentence makes sense

limber creek
#

Honestly playing ashes of creation, the pvp there is a lot more active anymore.

graceful jungle
#

they should let you right-click and duel someone anywhere just watch it go down wherever

brisk hill
#

removing that is what brought us wildy happybee

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so pls dont happybee

obsidian venture
#

Haven't seen vw price since update

plain swift
#

What are they doing to create multi hotspot pking, Callisto was active and really fun before the changes today. How have they ruined all of this again

obsidian venture
#

hopefully this makes the pricepoint a bit healthier

minor whale
#

Went up 7m since after spiking 10

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Hopefully long term it'll stay up a bit

#

I think the hard diary req will be the most useful thing for stopping bots

#

I doubt the medium diary will change much for multi

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It'll help track them earlier

#

But multi wasn't the thing shitting out pieces

zinc galleon
hard axle
#

cuz 120 kph on mass worlds

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for callisto only

#

that is the only boss that scaled super well

#

but it was mainly cloggers doing it for elites

#

venenatis and vet were nowhere near as fast

limber creek
brisk hill
# hard axle venenatis and vet were nowhere near as fast

callisto isnt too bad of a middle ground between spider & vetion. i think the price reflects that as well. spider which is the most miserable to do w/ more than 2 ppl = most expensive. vetion you can do w/o taking damage = the least expensive. just interesting to point out

tacit pendant
#

Realistically jagex just needs to try a different approach and make it a pain in the ass to make new accounts

limber creek
zinc galleon
#

What’s also quite goofy about the caves now, is that people who don’t do the diaries can’t pk there as well, making it safer, and then less contested by real players. So at this point maybe just remove the caves from the wilderness and give us an actual multi-way hot spot for pvp.

maiden bramble
#

how do i make a complain about the wildy boss cave req's? i know its only a diary, but i already have 400kc and just want the pick.

the cave has my 50k, i want it returned!!!!!!!!

Lol

brisk hill
#

rip that guys 50k

#

i stand in solidarity w/ u brother.

maiden bramble
#

tbh they can keep the 50k i just wanna kill the stupid boss and get the pick lol

brisk hill
#

respect for killing it in multi fella peepognomeblush

tacit wharf
maiden bramble
#

stupid update lol

brisk hill
#

ye i think any credible pker has hards done

#

for the obelisk lol

#

but, i have accs that dont have those reqs done

zinc galleon
#

Any friends you want to pk with, whole clans probably will require them now too 🤷‍♂️

tacit wharf
#

i mean thats for mediums, which isnt hard at all

brisk hill
#

agreed, itll take the bot makers 4 hours longer than before

tacit wharf
#

and for hards

brisk hill
zinc galleon
#

Yeah it’s not difficult, but it’s unnecessary barriers for players

tacit wharf
#

is it

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reasonable money maker with not much of a barrier isnt good

#

can get most of those after a few day of a normal person training their account

cyan marlin
#

Suggestion... please don't let the bag holding the TOA supplies auto-close in combat

zinc galleon
tacit wharf
#

and that is both a good and bad thing

brisk hill
tacit wharf
#

u over pk in a place, less people overall want to go and do it

#

which actually is good for pkers, means more of the worlds will have people when u hop to them

zinc galleon
maiden bramble
#

exaclty, not done anything about the bot situation, just made legit players have to do more. so annoying

zinc galleon
#

And cycle continues

nocturne solstice
#

I feel like most legit players have the diary requirements cause they're pretty easy no?

maiden bramble
#

means bot makers gonna make a script for it. then sell it. and because it should be slightly more profitable to begin with, there will be more bots. good one jagex

#

i got too much to do to be running around wildy faffing about lol

nocturne solstice
#

its like a 10 minute adventure to get it all done surely

#

okay maybe 30m

tacit wharf
#

if that is too much for you, yet you pk, not not sure what to tell ya

zinc galleon
nocturne solstice
#

The minimum went up to specifically pk at these specific locations so back to the grind I guess

tacit wharf
#

waiting for rev cave to req wildy elite before entry

#

🛏️

brisk hill
#

make it multi and sure

brisk hill
#

if its a 30min adventure for a real player is it rly that hard for a bot farmer to do the same thing?

nocturne solstice
#

I see it as a multi-faceted approach to anti-botting.

tacit wharf
#

more point of contact in the anti-cheat system to flag botters

nocturne solstice
#

Because the bot farmer is all about efficiency so they wont have the lvl requirements which adds a lot of hours before they can start farming.

#

More time wasted by the bot lvling is more time to be detected by jagex.

#

and not making profit in that time.

#

Regular players would have the requirements already and be able to finish the diary in 30m or less

brisk hill
#

ok, so for this cycle of a bot farm, it slows them down

#

moving forward, its just another req before hitting the caves

nocturne solstice
#

not really this cycle, just every future cycle

brisk hill
#

i dont rly see it is as a fix and only see it as a bandaid

tacit wharf
#

i still dont understand how they dont have systems in place for (x) content, for bots that gets the min req's for something and then start killing (x) for hundreds of kills straight

nocturne solstice
#

Since this is permanent time added before they can farm wildy bosses

tacit pendant
#

Would it completely put off new players if you werent allowed to use a bond for members until a normal months membership was purchased?

brisk hill
#

i get what ur saying and i do agree

nocturne solstice
#

again, multi-faceted approach. A permanent solution would be requiring physical ID attached to your account and only 1 ID per account and you get permabanned.

brisk hill
#

i guess we'll just have to see w/ the price of vw

analog crow
maiden bramble
#

all they gotta do is ban anyone with chainmace and dfs lol

nocturne solstice
#

thats obviously way too extreme

brisk hill
#

ill lyk re: wildy activity 😄

tacit pendant
graceful jungle
nocturne solstice
#

I try to bait friends into the game by offering them a bond after beating dragon slayer 1 CringeHarold

analog crow
graceful jungle
#

When have bots ever not been a issue lol

nocturne solstice
#

Its kinda like that garbage bin for a national park problem. Anti botting features have to stop bots but not deter regular players.

limber creek
#

before the big bang presumeably

analog crow
#

Still I agree that requiring real membership purchase first would be effective if on a ban they also ban all accounts funded by the same payment card/account

limber creek
tacit pendant
#

I mean sure, they existed, but like it'd be tougher and more impactful to the bot farms if they couldnt solely use gp for their farm

limber creek
#

make fake cards for one time purchases with preloaded amounts

graceful jungle
#

They should also ban Jagex accounts for botting not just the character

limber creek
#

i use this for online shopping myself already

tacit pendant
#

Because the amount of gp to make 12 actual dollars via black market is wayyyyy higher

maiden bramble
#

shoulda done medium comabt tasks. most legit playes doing wildy bosses shoulds have it, more for bots to do though

analog crow
limber creek
#

i have like 100 bro lol

#

takes 2 seconds

graceful jungle
#

2 extra seconds multiplied by thousands is hours of extra work

analog crow
#

Can jagex just not accept that method
Idk

limber creek
#

i mean so are updating diaries. all seems moot to me

zinc galleon
nocturne solstice
#

F

graceful jungle
#

I don’t have one hard diary done

maiden bramble
#

but u haver diarys done? lol

charred oracle
#

Are they considering requiring diaries for access to cows, chickens, goblins, in lumby given how many bots there are there

limber creek
#

just a stop to regular players honestly i like the ideas but none of it is helping.. 🙁

tacit pendant
#

F2p is a lost battle

zinc galleon
# graceful jungle Real

Not into pvm. Only diaries i have fully completed are wilderness diaries (i play on 1 def account)

nocturne solstice
#

f2p is also pennies compared to wildy profit

limber creek
#

why design content around bots when bots are going to engage regardless imo. May as well design the content to be engaging to real players then those real players will kill the bots.

tacit pendant
#

Yes i was just responding to the guy talking bout lumby goblins lol

nocturne solstice
#

yeah i agree with ya

tacit pendant
#

Nice

tranquil topaz
#

seed box doesnt count as a container? just tried the new button and it doesnt empty it

tacit pendant
#

Not even a conspiracy i just genuinely think the bot battle is not a top priority for them. Its on the list, but its not #1 and i doubt it ever will be

charred oracle
#

I mean really so is p2p, are they gonna make chatting/trading require diaries because of the casino/spambots? Seems quite silly to me instead of upping detection or other methods

#

If bots are reaching top 100 ranks for things that is really a problem

tacit pendant
#

Im not saying jagex is pro bot at all, but they only really wanna put so much towards it

#

Nobodys quitting over the bots. The players writing the game off entirely because of bots probably wouldnt like it all that much even if the problem was solved

graceful jungle
charred oracle
nocturne solstice
graceful jungle
#

15 years ago?

nocturne solstice
#

They cause the same ole problem now as before

graceful jungle
#

I guess.

tacit pendant
#

Legal enviroment also very diff.

#

Shit, gambling is hella legal and encouraged im the US, duel arena could flourish if they were a shittier company

tacit wharf
#

?

graceful jungle
#

Gambling is legal.

#

My bad I thought you said illegal.

nocturne solstice
#

Gambling is legal and has a lot of legal requirements that you dont want forced on your game for 16+

tacit wharf
#

in specific area's, and with restrictions

tacit pendant
#

Maybe not the best agruement and more nuanced but its a very different world. And cyber crimes are handled differently today than when free trade was removed

graceful jungle
#

The cyber police don’t play, you done goofed.

languid ravine
nocturne solstice
#

I never understood that argument tbh

tacit wharf
#

bonds where added for the f2p servers

#

the stipulation*

#

all for them nuking f2p, but more than like that means bonds go bye bye as well

nocturne solstice
#

Why are people upset with a real way to buy membership with GP? Obviously there's a demand for it, a legal way is good.

A blackmarket for it means Jagex gets into legal trouble, you risk being scammed, and you have less options.

tacit pendant
#

Bonds are good for sure

tacit wharf
#

just something that people either dont know or forget, is why im saying it

tacit pendant
#

Other guys statement still true though. If it was a hard line, game integrity thing they wouldnt do it

#

Cant draw further conclusions than that though

nocturne solstice
#

I think people just misunderstand things intentionally or otherwise.

#

Any company, developer, publisher, whatever. When they don't want RWT its obviously about blackmarket RWT off their own platform.

#

They obviously have no issue with selling you stuff.

graceful jungle
#

If you can't beat em we might as well be the plug. Lol

nocturne solstice
#

If there's a demand you might as well offer a legal way to do it right?

graceful jungle
#

Yeah so make it so your PoH butler does gathering skills for you overnight. Massive gold sink and keeps you doing the things you want to do.

nocturne solstice
#

We already have that it's called Throne of Miscellania

brisk hill
#

just wish we could mitigate bots and not kill off food chains

languid ravine
#

its crazy to me u can teleport out of boss rooms

#

that they r so low wildy lvl and that the pker has almost no time to tb

graceful jungle
nocturne solstice
languid ravine
#

some of the bots are slightly out of reach for a maxed pkers lvl to kill them also, which they maybe do on purpose but idk

brisk hill
#

yes, that is done on purpose

languid ravine
#

they usually wear mystic those ones it seems

#

what if boss room is way higher lvl wildy

#

so u can nuke the low lvls first then chase down the remainder xD

graceful jungle
#

They should just make it so anyone can attack anyone in the wilderness and remove the x-levels up/down thing.

brisk hill
#

bosses shouldve never been in singles imo

languid ravine
#

lower lvls theres an argument lower lvls could have easier time escaping at cost of dying quicker i guess

brisk hill
#

im torn, you effectively kill all other brackets

#

pures/zerks become novelty accs

languid ravine
#

i heard zerks are bad now

graceful jungle
#

True but when you play a compromised build you need accept compromised gameplay.

brisk hill
#

ye but there was a benefit to playing a "compromised" build

languid ravine
#

i think builds are important for pvp

#

pures are a bit funny in that they arent exactly glass cannons cos of high hp and even high magic lvl provides magic def

graceful jungle
#

Why didn't they just remove the staking part of the Duel Arena and left it for fun? If people are gonna bet money they're still doing it in the wilderness. The Arena could have had a system that matched with you a similar level for bragging rights or even skull both of you.

languid ravine
#

yea idk its weird to me to change the game to combat rule breaking

#

they always find another way if its not directly stopping them

#

more hoops to jump thru

limber creek
#

if you wanna solve wilderness bots. sure make wildy a true ffa. That def solves. Besides the part where the bots are still gonna 1t tele out regardless of the situation. The dude that mentioned removing teles from the wild has honestly been cooking the more i think about it. Because nothing is going to stop the bots from having advantage..
But thats just so many changes compiling on top of one another...

#

But then thats just more mainland bots to deal with lol

#

i mean they added hop timer limit and it affects me as a real player. they dont care about us when they make the deciscion.

oblique mesa
#

If teleports did get removed they would also need to remove clue steps in the wildy too 🥺

limber creek
#

why

oblique mesa
#

Just annoying to leave the wilderness for doing clue steps for no real reason

graceful jungle
#

It takes 10 seconds out of combat to hop worlds but you can tele to safety in 1 second. They def gotta increase the time it takes to tele.

#

Or make it a quest point requirement to be able to 1 second tele.

ember token
#

[[I DSCIM YOU]]

ornate wolfBOT
torpid delta
brisk hill
#

multi revs had the formula

drowsy chasm
#

Did the update change bank item spacing? I feel like the bank item spacing and inventory item spacing were the same?

languid ravine
#

i meant the boss room itself could be lvl 126 wilderness, but soon as u leave its back to normal lvls. so in theory u can do the bosses at lower lvls but u might get smashed first

near widget
#

Can someone explain the reason for needing a 1/2k drop to move sailing facilties around? Especially if you need to redo two or something to swap em around, its excessively punishing in my opinion.

brisk hill
#

that would be interesting, but it still kills anything that isnt a main

near widget
#

We all wanted this to be possible, but more like a NPC that just does it

languid ravine
#

well they can still escape the room if they are good (maybe xD)

#

or they might not get targetted if ppl want juicier loot they might go for the higher lvl ppl

limber creek
#

not syaing you dont pk there. but if you do then you know that people stay beside the exit and 1 tick go out. the entirety of wbr is trashed

ember token
#

[[big evil chicken]]

ornate wolfBOT
languid ravine
#

tbh its prob kinda random who gets targetted in multi its just down to however is frozen first

near widget
#

Looking at this, im still not at all excited to go for dragon facilities as the cost to move them if things change will suck

tacit wharf
#

for mistakes, not the ocd i gotta keep moving my furniture around in my house

torpid delta
near widget
#

yeah im also annoyed that it doesnt drop from top salvage

#

I did them one by one till clog and now im at the big one hunting the barrel

graceful jungle
#

People who got to salvage from the spots that never moved early on are so lucky lol

brisk hill
graceful jungle
#

Exploit early, exploit often

near widget
#

gonna be great xD

near widget
#

I do just wish they made moving things around simple like it is in your POH

tacit wharf
#

but thats not that same

austere mulch
#

That’s what I figured we’d get ngl

near widget
#

I'd accept it if you had to get a 1/2k salvage clog, show it to a NPC, and they teach you how to make it

austere mulch
#

Bottle is whatever though. Can see it being mildly annoying for irons tho but that’s not the end of the world

near widget
#

having to get one for every ------- facility just sucks

austere mulch
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Ideally, wouldn’t need to get too many of them because you’d plan in advance

tacit wharf
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u shouldnt be having to move that many facilities

narrow folio
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Repeat after me

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Moving facilities around in the same boat should be free!!

tacit wharf
near widget
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^

near widget
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I did plan my boats. Being worried it wasn't the right way still made me hesitant to go for the dragon tier shit

winged mantle
narrow folio
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Yes

near widget
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I just had enough stress over it that I just didnt go for them

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just a stupid decision imo to not make it user friendly once unlocked

winged mantle
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Or pickup the facility as an item that's untrabable. They didn't need to monkeys paw it

near widget
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it seems with sailing they went "OH TIME SINK!!! GOOD!!!!"

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with everything]

winged mantle
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Let's punish the players for making a mistake

near widget
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^

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still no word on boat paints

winged mantle
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when they bring out bigger boats

near widget
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as well there

graceful jungle
winged mantle
near widget
chrome lantern
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I mean I said this before as well but especially if we have uncertainty about future facility slots, facilities should be permanent unlock, such as if the NPCs/salvaging dropped a consumable schematic rather than the unique items, then you “learn” to build the facility using sheets. You don’t need a rune cannon barrel to build a rune cannon

winged mantle
chrome lantern
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Schematics right now are pointless island and clog bloat

near widget
chrome lantern
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I got 3 cannons on my way training. Will that be enough for the future? Or are we just expected that if content comes out in 5 years we go back for 6m more xp or whatever the rate is? And I got lucky

near widget
winged mantle
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If you're careful

near widget
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yup

chrome lantern
near widget
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they say they're adding a new source for that at least but tsill

chrome lantern
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Also I built my crystal extractor on day 2 of Sailing, I didn’t even know there was a good or bad place to build it

near widget
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looking at them saying a 1/2.5k drop to move thing around is an easy fix, I'm horrified of the droprate at that kraken

chrome lantern
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Back to the moving facilities

chrome lantern
near widget
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im still staying away from further ship combat till thats reworked

near widget
austere mulch
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Some new kraken

near widget
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ye

austere mulch
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With normal combat not being ganked, surely that’ll help quite a bit

spice garnet
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empty containers doesn't work for the forestry basket

near widget
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ah well, time to make some food and let this salvage chest fill up over the next 25min

near widget
spice garnet
near widget
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annoying

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guess its still just the one click if ur woodcutting only

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but probably something to fix indeed

chrome lantern
spice garnet
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yeah just one extra click so nbd overall

chrome lantern
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Especially with how much accuracy they put on the cannons and cannonballs, not even to mention str

near widget
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afaik they said they wanted to rush combat

chrome lantern
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Yeah looking back I may have misremembered, reading blog

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But that’s still far away

near widget
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mhm

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oh well

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im just hoping they look at the facility bottle again

vagrant solstice
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can we fix the delay on the potion storage, it's genuinely annoying

near widget
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"here is a very rare drop to make sure you can keep your eextremely rare drop"

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-> just show the boat bottle to the ship recovery people and ask them how to make it. blow glass or something and make a magic bottle

austere mulch
meager flame
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ngl i wish personally that dmm and leagues didn't exist

austere mulch
meager flame
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definitely makes the main game lose content

austere mulch
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It was always the biggest joke when they said it wouldn’t impede on main game content

meager flame
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oh i know

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im just saying i hate that garbage lol

ember token
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think it's more covering for the lack of significant content in this case

austere mulch
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Because 1. It takes dev time
2. They don’t do big releases during temp game modes for integrity to the game mode

meager flame
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it is the significant content unfortunately

austere mulch
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Hell, they don’t really do any meaningful updates during them

meager flame
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look at how much effort they actually put into those modes

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its not simple or easy

graceful jungle
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Imagine if they removed ticks and the game ran in real-time

tender harness
austere mulch
tender harness
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And temp game modes is not content
Watching stuff get delayed and being given leagues with the same arbitrary restrictions that we've had for the past several leagues, is just tiring

languid ravine
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i love DMM but it seems like every version since 2015 has been watered down to now basically a pvp world xd

tender harness
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No sailing either because why not scronglyshake

brisk hill
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ye but how do you plan on changing that when its one of jagex's best money makers l0l

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& a way for them to bring cosmetics into the game while making money

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not saying i disagree

austere mulch
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On one side of the coin, they say they don’t want leagues to be too long because it can feel exhausting and ofc no main game progress

So what do we do, if we don’t have content and don’t want to make leagues longer? Just slap another temp game mode in front of it

brisk hill
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just saying theres no way they ever stop lol

tender harness
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Like full stop

graceful jungle
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???

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Why

austere mulch
# graceful jungle Why

Temp game modes are fine until they start taking away from main game release schedule and quality

tender harness
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If the cadence of said game modes is encroaching on development time for the main game
Your issue lays in trying to make leagues faster and more frequent

meager flame
graceful jungle
austere mulch
brisk hill
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i for 1 am thankful for dmm

meager flame
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because they both cost a lot

brisk hill
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means jagex hasnt given up on pvp 🥲

meager flame
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but yeah if it were up to me i'd never want either

graceful jungle
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How do you know what leagues cost

meager flame
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rather just get an equally big real game update

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and it would be a big one

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they put in a lot of effort for those modes

austere mulch
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If there was a separate team who’s entire role was putting out temp game modes alongside main game content, that’d be great

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Obviously not the case though

graceful jungle
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Its a once a year thing (if that)

tender harness
languid ravine
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temp gamemodes are good to try out new things which would then go into main game (like how DMM created bank keys)

tender harness
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Leagues should rotate years DMM doesnt run
But to do both especially close together is too much

brisk hill
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well ye especially when 1 is starting to mimic the other

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and we all know which would get removed Sadge

tender harness
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DMM needs its own help

brisk hill
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which as a wildy lover, i'd agree w/ u and say focus main game first

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dont care abt dmm if u give quality updates to wildy

ember token
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alternate leagues with RS3, osrs get leagues 1 year and rs3 gets leagues the next, repeat, run DMM in the off-years when it's rs3's turn for leagues

brisk hill
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but quality updates to wildy dont drive profit like dmm/leagues lol

tender harness
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And yeah we have an rs3 league thos year too forgot

graceful jungle
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People eat seasonal shit up especially MMO players

brisk hill
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omg osrs battle pass 🔜

meager flame
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they have their own systems, art, rewards, tons and tons of gameplay altering mechanics, sometimes unique bosses and items

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there actually is not even a single update that has as many moving parts ever

graceful jungle
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I bet they're spending more money on Raids 4 than leagues.

sharp cave
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ugh really??? the deposit from containers STILL doesnt empty equipped log basket/fish sack??????????????????????????????????

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wtf?

minor whale
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They said they literally can't get it to work a while back and it seems they haven't figured it out still