game-update

[dawn jackal]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Poll:Permanent_F2P_%26_Membership_Bonds

[narrow folio]

Bonds are good because I can sustain for free

[dawn jackal]

you can find this in less than 1 minute on the google.com website

[meager flame]

What kind of delay from another galaxy are we on rn anyways about bonds and p2w

[graceful jungle]

Can’t vote for bonds then cry the game is p2w

[north vessel]

This.

[dawn jackal]

johnthehero you seem to think people are upset the game is p2w

[sharp cave]

should we add bonds and allow pures access to chivalry?

these should have been seperate questions lol

[dawn jackal]

that is not the case

i don't mind people buying bonds for gp at all

[north vessel]

Chivalry would be better use for pures than mains as it sits right now.

[tender harness]

I know im late on the whole UX thing but this just reeks of mobile

[sharp cave]

then vote no in the poll next time

[tender harness]

I did vote no

[north vessel]

Im mobile only and hate it.

[sharp cave]

well sorry but you are in the extreme minority 🙁

[north vessel]

Voted for a dump containers button, not a ui brain wrinkle remover

[graceful jungle]

Bonds for cash is part of the deal

[tender harness]

UX redesign is overdue but like
this needed more time in the oven

[meager flame]

I mean mobile changes make sense nobody trying to press those little ass buttons

Idk why they’d change the normal ui for that though

[north vessel]

Gimme my little ass buttons back

[tender harness]

I dont want mobile enshitification on PC

no offense to mobile only

[north vessel]

None taken

[ember token]

arggh nooo they made the buttons slightly larger aaaahhhh

jaaagggeeeexxxxx

[sharp cave]

seeing as how it was mentioned july last year and we got more posts about holey moleys than ui suggestions i think says it all?

[north vessel]

Feel like a 2nd grader opening a picture book

[graceful jungle]

People prefer distractions to real issues because they feel safer to discuss

[dawn jackal]

Sorry, i wasn't totally clear. I don't mind people purchasing bonds with real currency to gain GP in the game

[tender harness]

dont let the UX redesign distract you from people still wanting wildy bosses to not be gated

[dawn jackal]

i don't think many do

[vivid ruin]

Where is that dude who was always complaining about razmirs shop and irons? Im surprised he isnt jumping up and down in here today

[tender harness]

probably coped a mute

[sharp cave]

how is this enshittified?

[north vessel]

I wouldnt mind if the bond price wasnt bandos tassets.

[sharp cave]

the only real complaint is the search and placeholder button are swapped?

[north vessel]

They moved the settings button, which im probably the only mobile player ever to give a shit about.

[sharp cave]

where is it now on mobile?

same side as pc?

[north vessel]

For context, im missing half my left thumb, any thing changed from right side to left i hate.

[graceful jungle]

If the bank ui ends up being the biggest controversy this year I’d say we had a pretty good year lol

[north vessel]

It moved from top right to top left.

[dawn jackal]

idk this barrows moon controversy might be larger than the ui stuff

[north vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

Barrows and moons.

[sharp cave]

what are you toggling so often that its an issue?

i dont think i go in there more than twice a year, not to belittle your usage of it, but im curious?

[north vessel]

Locked inv spots for various skills and pvm, and bank fillers for the same reasons.

[sharp cave]

ah yeah i guess, i dont really use the lock slotting

[north vessel]

Ima start a mobile locked half thumb hardcore ironman youtube channel some day.

[charred oracle]

Never seen on my polls >:( Needs to go back

[sharp cave]

its a shame they didnt get more feedback on their initial pitch i guess?

since the release looks basically identical to that pitch

[north vessel]

It really is shit, but just like the whole mobile ui change, people will get use to it.

[azure burrow]

then jagex can get used to me being in 302 with my cannons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[charred oracle]

Plugin to change it back when

[dawn jackal]

i am convinced no matter what would change with UI there will be an oversized contingent of people calling it shit and overreacting

[north vessel]

Same time as mobile walk here fix probably.

[dawn jackal]

people are very sensitize to ui changes

[charred oracle]

I have banked my equipped items like 20x today

[north vessel]

When they hit us with the new mobile ui, i HATED it. Now that im use to it idk how i ever played before.

[charred oracle]

Pls end my suffering

[north vessel]

Theres a bank setting that gets rid of that button.

[sharp cave]

there you go problem solved

[graceful jungle]

Whenever i go back to wow before doing anything I spend hours with addons on my ui 😂

[charred oracle]

Is that mobile plugin hub

[sharp cave]

no play on pc

[charred oracle]

Hdos one looks diff

[hard axle]

hear me out, we make 99 agility or 45 defense

[sharp cave]

use runelite

[north vessel]

You got jokes. We'll get plug-in hub in like 2029 for raids 10.

[graceful jungle]

Fr there should be a 99 agility shortcuts

[charred oracle]

how come we can't use hdos and such on mobile anyways

[hard axle]

no no, I mean if they wanna skip defense-based quest reqs

im only partially joking about this

[sharp cave]

i dont think 3rd party clients on mobile are allowed by jagex

[meager flame]

Jagex would also prefer to never have a playable client

[hard axle]

cuz if someone wants to pot 99 agility (200+ hours of rooftops or 100+ hours sepulcher) over 45 defense, let them lmao

[meager flame]

They’re working on hd though

[hard axle]

i hope they shelve it as well

[dusk shore]

Caring about Pures doing raid 4 whatsoever is a litmus test of being below 1500 total level

[graceful jungle]

Once they’re confident in their plugin hub and HD is a thing it’s the end for runelite

[meager flame]

Lmao they honestly should that shit is a waste of time now without plugins

[hard axle]

stating disingenuous bullshit is a litmus test of being a sane person

[hard axle]

sadgecry

[graceful jungle]

I think we all know deep down one day they’re forcing us to use the Jagex client

[tacit wharf]

good

[hard axle]

cuz quest reqs are already going down down down since sote

[north vessel]

Hopefully they hire the entire runelite team first.

[tender harness]

is this like MSN or something?

[hard axle]

it do be wild that the highest agility level required for QPC is 70

[charred oracle]

My runescape social number?

[tender harness]

you're right lets make it 90

[sharp cave]

i dont know, because surely jagex of all people, are aware that banning runelite isnt going to solve their botting problem

[north vessel]

QPC should only require quests that existed on release and you cant change my mind.

[brisk hill]

?

[charred oracle]

Having to turn it off and then turn it on later is mean. x.x Dunno why they moved stuff

[brisk hill]

This channel on god was much cooler when it was PvPcord

[sharp cave]

you will get used to it within a couple days

it isnt the end of the world

[meager flame]

It makes sense to move on for jagex if they can but they shelved the plugin hub

[north vessel]

Luckily, theres a worn items tab in the bank to bank it all anyway.

[meager flame]

So they can’t do that now

[graceful jungle]

Once it has the plugin hub and HD they’ll also cite security reasons, botting reasons and say this is how you’ll play from now on

And in some ways it makes sense

[sharp cave]

it doesnt really though

[charred oracle]

I doubt this :p I still keep moving my monitor I got months ago

[meager flame]

It’s just flat out less work to have one version of the client

[hard axle]

hear me out, lock artio/spindel/calv behind 99 agility or hard diary

[meager flame]

It makes tons of sense

They just had to actually make the hub

[brisk hill]

Oki just give me multi revs back :]

[graceful jungle]

Fr

[hard axle]

yes

90 agility

[meager flame]

Since they didn’t though they’re fucked

[hard axle]

40+ wildy

[brisk hill]

🤝

[hard axle]

im telling you, every time rev is below 30 wildy, it's a fucking dumbass shit show

[brisk hill]

200k to enter

We have just solved the multi rev botting issue

Wow

Oh wait I forgot lol the constant pkers did that themselves lol

[hard axle]

im willing to sacrifice the 808s for middle grounds

[graceful jungle]

Plus the Jagex client is C++ instead of Java it’s more future proof

[tender harness]

client has now been scrapped so we can move it to Rust

[charred oracle]

I disabled both the empty containers and deposit worn items button, but at deposit boxes that doesn't work ._.

[meager flame]

Ya they should probably just scrap the c++ client after their latest move

Just wasting resources on it outside of having mobile

[sharp cave]

hd will probably bring in the most players though

[hard axle]

asia servers would probably be more

[charred oracle]

Maybe if they do more playable races with it

[sharp cave]

coming soon?

[meager flame]

It won’t do anything lol people will get on find out the game is cooked as fuck and then look up any new player guide

[graceful jungle]

Yeah HD is what brand new people are gonna be excited about

[meager flame]

Find out they absolutely cannot play without runelite

And lose their hd

[hard axle]

if folks don't play osrs because of the graphics, i personally don't want those folks here

[zinc galleon]

gnome character creation? 👀

[meager flame]

Or quit

Most likely quit

[sharp cave]

runelite has hd?

[hard axle]

and guess what

that's player created and maintained

not jagex

[meager flame]

Yeah a very terrible hd compared to the jagex alternative

[sharp cave]

ok but adding the hub to the jag client brings in no new players

[sharp cave]

i dont think thats true but you are welcome to your opinion

[tender harness]

soon we will have jagex HD because HD is somehow more important than API

[graceful jungle]

Runelites hd isn’t the same as native HD it has limitations a group up HD client wouldn’t have

[sharp cave]

calling it terrible is disingenuous

[meager flame]

I mean we all have our bias lol

[graceful jungle]

It’s like a hacky HD

[tender harness]

I mean hdos looks like poo

[sharp cave]

hacky or not, if it works, it works?

[tender harness]

but you get 3 people who love that

[hard axle]

having an hd option essentially jagex have to double their art workload, it brings in more superficial players that didn't play because of older graphics, etc.

[meager flame]

I think it’s great for something a player created but is substantially worse than what jagex can do

[sharp cave]

if you dont like how far 117hd goes, almost all of the feature are toggleable

[zenith pike]

wah?

[tender harness]

sure but if they didnt play because of graphics, odds are they probably wont play even with HD
or even if they do they churn before anything relevant

[sharp cave]

if you want it to be almsot vanilla with shadows thats possible

[hard axle]

[sharp cave]

whats the argument for the jagex hub then? besides mobile?

[hard axle]

getting them off runelite and eventually decommissioning it

[meager flame]

The fact that we can all use one client jagex can drop support for old client

[sharp cave]

and thats a benefit how?

[hard axle]

are u being disingenuous or actually don't know?

[zenith pike]

22:30 near out of wave 53, can I talk to hemmiez now?

[hard axle]

less bots my guy

[meager flame]

And that our plugins will likely be better as long as the api is good

[sharp cave]

oh are jagex going to be the ones to solve bots with their own client?

[hard axle]

runelite forks drive so many bots it's unreal

[meager flame]

And performance will be substantially better than runelite

[sharp cave]

jagex of all companies

[graceful jungle]

Runelite HD on top of the Java client is serviceable to some but it could be better if it was native, the performance-to-look ratio is poor. Official HD could be 100+ FPS with no dips on the C++ client, Runelite’s HD is just throwing post processing and textures on the game and praying

[hard axle]

even if it's not perfect, having their own client and plugin hub will hamper bots a lot

[meager flame]

It actually already is with their client

[hard axle]

like... lol

[meager flame]

Hdos also runs much better than runelite

The platform just sucks

[hard axle]

yeah cuz they lack a lot of plugins iirc

that's the same reason why jagex hasn't taken down runelite - they know players will quit

without a viable alternative

[sharp cave]

well, i wish i could have the same hopfull outlook that you do lol

but i simply dont think that its going to hinder bot makers very much

it will be an initial big hit, and it will be back to business as ususal

[meager flame]

Basically everyone that plays was going to get a big upgrade if jagex executed their plugin hub well

[graceful jungle]

You think these addicts are gonna quit lol they’ll complain and be back

[hard axle]

and i simply don't believe HD is worth the time to double the workload

[meager flame]

Not that it matters now since someone making choices over there is fried

[brisk hill]

I agree RL enables script makers but I also agree that an official Jagex client likely won’t slow bots down

[hard axle]

a lot of casuals will quit because they're not hardcore addicts

[sharp cave]

i mean, the teams are seperate right?

[hard axle]

yeah stfu lmao

[meager flame]

We will just get a really pretty worst available client from jagex now

[hard axle]

just like how the gim team was separate

[sharp cave]

i dont think the art team was working on the plugin hub?

[hard axle]

and they delayed every update afterwards

human resources are still resources

u can move them around

[sharp cave]

to a degree, but you cant put someone who draws skyboxes on the team for coding the plugin hub?

[meager flame]

Tbf they did flat out say they were stopping one to focus on the other

Idk if I really believe that but lol

[hard axle]

hd is artwork related

you wanna see a content that they simultaneously released a visually well designed content and a complete shit in a box?

[meager flame]

It’s probably more technical than that

[hard axle]

Varlamore Part 1

PM vs Colo on release lmao

[meager flame]

Implementing a new way of displaying the game with the client and less making skyboxes

That’s where the plugin hub people get moved around

[hard axle]

like, you can't move artistic folks into a coding space unless they have space, but who says u can't move them to a project with a similar role

[hard axle]

exactly

just similar role

Europe is notoriously protective of staff so they won't fire folks easily, just move them around to other projects

[sharp cave]

well, idk they have clearly decided that hd will bring more return on investment

[hard axle]

until it gets shelved

[meager flame]

Yeah I just think they’re cooked

[sharp cave]

🤷

[meager flame]

Everyone’s friends will still say it’s ugly when you tell them to use runelite because you care about them

[shut dew]

Why wouldn't they poll the change for wildy bosses needing diary?

[hard axle]

because balance changes don't need to be polled

just like how they didn't poll what the initial access requirements was on release

[zinc galleon]

because polls are a scam

[graceful jungle]

A brand new person scrolling on YouTube is more likely to click on OSRS HD than OSRS Plugin Hub is here! Lol

[shut dew]

Not balance. Its locking people out of content with no heads up.

[hard axle]

they've never polled balance changes that were even remotely getting criticized or voted no

[tardy oasis]

I don't think hd should of been the focus, I really thought the original plan was make the official client and api then get rid of runelite TOO since developing runelite plugins sucks anyways and it would be more stable on official client (plus jagex gets control over what plugins) they just kinda threw HD in there too and for some reason that gets more talk

[brisk hill]

Ask yourself, which removal of wilderness content have they ever polled?

There lies your answer 👍

[meager flame]

Jagex just recognizes hd is a good move but isn’t built to do it the right way

[sharp cave]

its werid that they think making bots do the hard diary is going to have any impact

[meager flame]

Trying to cut corners and will fail

As usual

[sharp cave]

as if they dont get tens of thouands of kc

[graceful jungle]

Because HD is easier to sell to casuals than the API

[brisk hill]

That’s what the echo chamber (this discord, Reddit) believes is the issue

Low barrier for entry

News flash : low barrier for entry doesn’t matter if I’m a robot lol

[sharp cave]

yeah i mean you only have to look at the amount of cg bots to see that adding requirements on does nothing to stop bots

[tardy oasis]

god that's so true

[hard axle]

Both of you are dumb as fuck if u think that

[charred oracle]

Seeing too many bots with 99's or top ranks so I already know it's a jagex prob for detection

[shut dew]

They want voidwaker to cost more so badly that they will lock people out of froup content

[brisk hill]

You mean it’s an extra 11 hours of the robot doing stuff? Ok lol

[meager flame]

Jagex is just cooked because they don’t understand that what actually sells osrs is word of mouth and their relationship with their existing community

[hard axle]

Answer this: Are there more CG bots than lower level requirement bots?

assuming none get banned

[brisk hill]

Idk if anyone could w/o assuming

You could assume either is true

[meager flame]

So we will just tell everyone their client is trash and they’ll swerve the hd client when they come in because of it

Idk how they don’t understand that but lol

[brisk hill]

Higher reqs = less chance of being banned
Lower reqs = more bans but more accs

Hard to tell w/o data

[charred oracle]

Which bot costs more to buy would be the real question. :)

[zinc galleon]

Delete wilderness bosses 🧠
delete the wilderness 🧠
delete runescape 🧠
bot problem solved 🤖

[narrow folio]

Word.

[hard axle]

exactly, less of them = higher price

mass produceable = cheaper

[gritty frigate]

We should have to complete Varrock Elite diaries to be able to cross wildy ditch too

[graceful jungle]

You’ll see

[hard axle]

if u don't believe requirements help (nothing will ever fully fix), then ur being delusional because wildy is a key indicator of this

it mitigates it enough that jagex can better handle it

it's easier to ban 100 CG bots than 100000 woodcutting bots

[zinc galleon]

and then after that they have to kill 1k rats to go past lvl 10

[ionic tartan]

There's also the question of which is more profitable to bot. Like instanced CG being more profitable balances against the bigger loss when banned.

[charred oracle]

I know what will solve the problem entirely. Require medium diaries to run a bot!

[hard axle]

yes, but there are also LESS of them because of the higher reqs

that's my point

[meager flame]

Nah I’ve gotten too many new players to play and while the game being ugly is one problem

[brisk hill]

It just has a negative impact on the already dying ecosystem is the pvpers small voice

[meager flame]

The biggest is that once they try playing there are a million settings and plugins for qol that they don’t even know they need without help

[zinc galleon]

i like that, maybe like some sort of license to bot

[meager flame]

And they can’t get that with the official client

[hard axle]

that's why i dont think RL is going anywhere

[charred oracle]

You got a license for that bot!? 👮

[ionic tartan]

What I'm getting at, is sometimes there's more bots thrown at the content due to how profitable it is. So the end is there there are MORE bots compared to some low-req but also low-profit things.

[hard axle]

there's so many plugins that have been made over the years and so many more

[sharp cave]

ok but if a player finally tries the game and gets hooked, and swaps to runelite whats the problem?

[hard axle]

that Jagex API will nto be able to keep up

[sharp cave]

its +1 player end of the day

[hard axle]

esp if Jagex has to approve each plugin

[meager flame]

They usually don’t get hooked like that in my experience

[zinc galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/british-nigmode-gif-18792042

[charred oracle]

Perhaps unless jagex's stuff works similar to current plugin hubs

[zenith pike]

honestly a friend of mine gave me the website to look at how the servers in osrs are coded

[graceful jungle]

You know thousands of people are on HDOS just for graphics right and know it doesn’t have half the plugins runelite has

[meager flame]

It’s usually a lot of being confused and what do I do and I spend time giving them goals and explaining things to them

[graceful jungle]

They’re trading plugins for graphics

[hard axle]

which also need to be approved when u submit in

[zenith pike]

No wonder they shelved the api that shit is voodoo witchcraft

[meager flame]

And then they end up liking the game

[hard axle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wizard-cat-wizard-cat-by-demonwolf

[charred oracle]

Yeah but happen generally fast right? So it'd be the same amount of time

[meager flame]

I’m sure most people without someone helping like that just bounce right off the game

[hard axle]

no no no not at all

it takes like a week at the earliest

several months if it's controversial

[zenith pike]

they use GOTOs, wallahi any update must be a blessing if it doesn't break something

how could they not

[charred oracle]

sailing came out pretty quick, the plugin

[hard axle]

i have friends who make RL plugins and they were using me for feedback

[sharp cave]

yeah i mean jagex will be worse at this

by far

[hard axle]

yup

[graceful jungle]

A brand new person isn’t even gonna know what they’re missing or care to go on Reddit to find out they’re trying to see if they even want to play at all

[hard axle]

remember that RL staff are volunteers

but there's so many of them

that they produce plugins and review much faster than jagex

[meager flame]

Yeah and they’re gonna be confused and annoyed a lot of the time

[brisk hill]

I pray a brand new player doesn’t go to Reddit my god

Redditors had the wow noobs flicking prayer before they were 60cb

Mod Matt K HELP US

[graceful jungle]

They won’t know what to be annoyed at

[zenith pike]

hey they be suceeding though

[meager flame]

Long time players underestimate runelite somehow even basic stuff like left click options making sense makes the game a lot less frustrating

[hard axle]

But yeah, Jagex API, HD, and PZ are all shit that don't add much to the game immediately

I wish they would demo and beta test more concepts in Leagues, DMM that could be reasonably imported to main game if people like it

[brisk hill]

[gritty frigate]

Dear Jmods, could you please make Corp beast iron friendly? Loot share between all particpants or something

[north vessel]

Oh how i miss the "walk here" option being my left click on 90% of trees in osrs.

[graceful jungle]

A brand new person has no frame of reference to latch on to

[meager flame]

Yeah but then they start clicking stuff and trying to find the option they want

One is much easier than the other

[graceful jungle]

They won’t know what option they want from their pov this is just how the game is

[vivid ruin]

Dear jagex delete ironmode please

[graceful jungle]

You’re looking at it from an experienced players lens

[meager flame]

Ya but think about it you see an npc and click it

[brisk hill]

Dear jagex, encourage ppl to pvp in dmm

[zenith pike]

dear jagex, please let them suffer a little bit more

just a smidgen more

[meager flame]

Do you want a roleplay chatbox to open or to need to right click to investigate what options it has if you remember right click works that way

[sharp cave]

can we just remove corp

[meager flame]

Or do you want the banker to open the bank

[brisk hill]

No I like macing ely’s

[sharp cave]

put the drops somewhere else

raids 4 😄

[brisk hill]

Can my pure go

[gritty frigate]

My chat locked, 1 inventory space, 1 exp = 1 pixel unlock, locked ironman takes offense to that!!

[meager flame]

Runelite makes the game more playable and intuitive for new people and experienced players

[graceful jungle]

You’re talking like an experienced player still. Clicking a banker and dialogue popping up intuitively makes sense. You have an efficiency mindset because you’re experienced

[minor whale]

API would be huge for mobile dev
Mobile has been suffering for months
Almost a year with a broken menu entry swapper

[zenith pike]

sensory deprived, paraplegic iron

[vivid ruin]

Ironmen will stop complaining after and only after ironmode gets deleted

[sharp cave]

honestly, i think pures should be allowed to do the raid

[prime vault]

Nope get 99 defense noob lol

[sharp cave]

i dont think that they should be locked out because jagex decided to put the raid in a thematic location

[meager flame]

Nah it just creates a situation where what a thinking human wants is what most often happens

[restive storm]

Any other take is just toxic at this point tbh

[sharp cave]

they absoultly should not get any of the quest rewards or unlocks though (like demonbane weapons)

[gritty frigate]

there's even a few paraplegic OSRS gamers that use mouth straws to play!

[meager flame]

Gamers typically don’t even read lmao

[azure burrow]

they are choosing to not level defense

no raiding for them

[graceful jungle]

I think you forgot what being brand new was like

[gritty frigate]

bro can beat vorkath with no hands no legs

[prime vault]

Are you an ironman

[meager flame]

Nah I just play games with other people

If you ask them to read it’s over

Lmao not even kidding

[north vessel]

If corp got group mechanics itd be like nex mass, everyone just massing and 1 hit praying to get a drop.

[sharp cave]

it isnt even hard to tie into the lore, just have one of the guardians of armadyl "recruiting" people to do the raid in at the top of the chasm

[quartz anchor]

yo, does the new boat facility bottle let you move facilities between boats, or does it have to be on the same boat

[meager flame]

I guarantee you if you allowed them to skip the tutorial they’d skip and try to play based on vibes

[restive storm]

This is why I’m sorta annoyed at their cautious wording of “we’re going to consider accommodating” rather than just telling us they’re going to accommodate other accounts so now we gotta deal with the 1300 total iron elitists tryina rub it in our face that they’re gonna vote no 🙄

[azure burrow]

im none of those things but ill vote no anyway

not sure what im voting no to tbh

[sharp cave]

I wouldnt even be opposed to requiring wgs completion to wield the raid rewards, but pures should be allowed to at least fight the bosses and sell the loot

theres litterally no good arugment against locking them out

[prime vault]

Irons get catered to all the time is the ironic thing

[meager flame]

I mean just make some crazy bs they have to do so some mahjarrat lets them in through the back for raids 4

It would probably be fun

[restive storm]

Like today where we locked more Wildy bosses, and in the same breath made zombie pirates for irons specifically easier 🙄

[meager flame]

Less controversial than changing a million quests too

[prime vault]

Yup lol

[sharp cave]

yeah i dont think we should be changing old quest rewards

but theres defenitly a reasonable compromise to allow pures to participate

people are acting as if we have to remove all the requirements and give pures all the rewards and theres no middle ground

its insane

[quasi sandal]

Is forestry basket not part of the empty container update?

[ionic tartan]

Maybe it's a balancing act by Jagex? Irons get holy moley disassembly and zombie pirates, skillers/809 lose wildy bosses and rogue's chest.

[harsh herald]

And ironically the loudest complainers about other accounts.

[meager flame]

This time it’s easy just because the thematic involved makes you coming in with a different faction an interesting angle

Since the standard is you coming in with the wgs team

[prime vault]

Pretty much. It's almost comical

[harsh herald]

Genuinely I think its a bit of an identity complex, often wanting to be seen as the hardest restriction while simultaneously being the most catered to

[restive storm]

It’s good to see this discord has finally come around to being sick of ironscape too at this point tbh

[prime vault]

I had an ironman flaming me because I don't have pvm KC and calling me a noob the other day and then the next sentence he called me a basement dwelling loser who no lifes the game lol

[meager flame]

I still think it’s funny that basically all modern additions to the wild are just rotating through being nerfed over and over

[prime vault]

It was a group ironman to 😂

[meager flame]

As jagex finds out that making bot paradise was a dumb idea

[restive storm]

Had like a 1800 hardcore the other day flaming me for being bad only to see his only boss kc was wt and tempoross

[azure burrow]

no pvm kc kinda does mean youre a noob no?

[prime vault]

I don't play to pvm so I guess

[zenith pike]

yessnt

[azure burrow]

they are skilling noobs cuz low skill levels

[prime vault]

It was just funny being called a noob and then a no lifing loser at the same time

[harsh herald]

Some people like to pvm, some of us like to 1.5t teaks, just play the game in a way that you enjoy

[meager flame]

Bold to call those people

[azure burrow]

ok ill do that. thanks

[zenith pike]

oh ok so you can say it

[north vessel]

Love me a moons max iron.

[meager flame]

Next we’re gonna call uims people

[quartz anchor]

yeah I'm voting no, if its not a req, just not make the quest a req at all, nobody cares if you go to the raid

[brisk hill]

[restive storm]

Yeah I agree just don’t make it a requirement at all

Seems kinda pointless

[prime vault]

I'm jk bro I know you have 99

[sharp cave]

why does anyone care if they do?

[azure burrow]

immersion

[zenith pike]

long answer or short answer

[sharp cave]

it wouldnt be immersive if a guardian of armadyl was recruiting people to fight against lucien?

[prime vault]

Story time

[azure burrow]

i dont want weak characters wearing ghostly robes fighting along side me in battle

[sharp cave]

lol

[carmine compass]

I guess the blind are now using banks so they had to change the look of it, so people 10 miles away can see certain buttons 😶

[azure burrow]

idk you asked for a reason

lmao

[zenith pike]

they're just trying to match your expected dps

[sharp cave]

yeah i mean i asked for a reason, i expected a good one

[azure burrow]

how is that not good

[sharp cave]

"uhhh i dont want pures in the raid uhhh the sky is blue"

[azure burrow]

you dont think people wanna me immersed

[restive storm]

Just don’t invite them?

[zenith pike]

given how osrs has progressed, it's almost tertiary

[restive storm]

What you worried they’re gonna have a faster completion time or something

[bronze kernel]

I think it's people with fat fingers Tbh.

[sharp cave]

no he thinks that ghostly robes are ugly

[azure burrow]

i dont wanan see those rags standing in the lobby while forming a real group

[zenith pike]

what about elder chaos robes

they got 1%

[restive storm]

Then you just wouldn’t raid with them?

[zenith pike]

that's pretty good

[restive storm]

Or go to a 2350 world, they won’t be there

[vivid ruin]

They should give the raid hella chip damage that can only be prevented by 70+ def

[azure burrow]

ok we going to far. ill fight u for saying that

frlfrl

[vivid ruin]

[restive storm]

escape caves but for pvm

[azure burrow]

NO chip damage

[restive storm]

I’d vote yes

Just so they feel the pain their dumbasses have caused us

[zenith pike]

yes chip damage, just reasonable chip damage

[vivid ruin]

But if you have 70 def the chip damage is near 0

[azure burrow]

NO chip damage

[zenith pike]

yes chip damage

[restive storm]

No, unreasonable chip damage like the escape caves

We’re talking like 50 dmg / 4 seconds

[zenith pike]

ah hell nah

[azure burrow]

play fight perfectly = take zero damage = good design = good boss = ty yagex

[restive storm]

Alright I guess I could agree, but we gotta take that outta the escape caves too then

[vivid ruin]

No but pures suffer would be funny innit

You get access, but....

[azure burrow]

ok yes. if 70 def makes chip go to zero. Deal

[minor whale]

It also prevents them from instituting any mechanics ever that hard require a high defense to a monster
It's very boring to limit what a raid can have to cater to certain builds

[sharp cave]

good

[restive storm]

Slurpy already asking for 0 damage if prayers are right anyway, I feel like pvmers can’t even agree on anything they’d want here

[sharp cave]

sounds like a boring mechanic

[azure burrow]

not only prayers

but yes play fight perfect, why take dmg

[restive storm]

Prayers movement etc

[carmine compass]

Or fat mouse arrows?

[restive storm]

Basically ain’t nobody tryina merch justi sets hoping for giga chip damage in raids

[zenith pike]

play fight perfectly = take chip to the point where good play is under a theoretical timer = great design = verzik p3 = gj jagex

[restive storm]

Cuz it’d just be lame to do

[azure burrow]

no sanks. doom = best boss

no chip doom = good doom

[zenith pike]

good for doom yes, chip for raid good too

[sharp cave]

why do we have to pile more disadvantages on top lol?

[azure burrow]

hmm i take into consideration

[sharp cave]

pure spite?

[zenith pike]

nah, it's just things that hurt us give us a reason to avoid it and get creative. Sure some content works well without it but without it some content can become increasingly stale

[hard axle]

bro

I'm getting tripped up

so hard by the empty containers button 😭

it's just muscle memory

[dawn jackal]

you can remove

[hard axle]

no no, cuz i normally click search

[versed wind]

I get rearranging some things, but like, does switching the location of the settings and equipment buttons provide any benifit? Why Jagex :/

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/simpso-riot-gif-4545300067745410584

[lament ridge]

I mean it depends on the story, if in "your world" Lucien is still chilling, maybe doesnt even have the staff yet, but then they're recruiting to help fight against "the Lucien who just murdered a bunch of characters" then it doesn't fit.

Happy for it to fit lorewise after temple of ikov, or allow pures to do WGS, but I'd be a little annoyed if they start a precedent of the same shitty 5th/6th age time travel shit that's in RS3 by having the raid clearly take place after WGS without having to do it

Very minor gripe though, I wouldn't vote no over it

[sharp cave]

fair point

[lime mural]

hey all, thoughts on the news post with respect to seeker arrows? how do we think that will be calculated? additive? (dark bow spec) 😉

[sharp cave]

it was just a basic idea, im sure jagex could flesh it out to be more believable

[ember token]

they could make it access to the raid without WGS work in an acceptable way lore-wise but i'm very cautious

[ember token]

well it certainly wouldn't be multiplicative i'd hope

but who knows, spaghetti code

[lament ridge]

Yeah I'm sure, I mean Lucien is already established as a threat before WGS so it could just as well be "seeking knowledge to stop Lucien" whether that's pre-stone of Jas Lucien or after

Depends on if Lucien actually shows up in the raid itself, I doubt it though?

[ember token]

I don't think he will

[lament ridge]

yeah seems like a reserved for GM quest kinda thing

[lime mural]

I'm thinking it will make dark bow spec with dragon arrows become 10+10 min hit (up from 8+8)

[shadow wave]

Ed did say in the Q&A that this isn't part of the mahjarrat questline as such and you won't need do have a raid completion for a future mahjarrat quest

[ember token]

the raid is a sideplot that isnt required for the mahjarrat storyline

yeah

[lime mural]

wouldn't dbow -> surge pot -> dbow be nuts?

[graceful jungle]

Yall see the cringe in fally people protesting the bank update like when you remember these are grown men its sad as hell

[ember token]

change is scary

[prime vault]

I'm used to it. Grown men cry about anything wildy related

[thick beacon]

the riots during salaving nerf was peak

[north vessel]

Just the dbow in max gear spec now is 48-48 isn't it? So potential 50-50 with seeking arrows?

[chrome lantern]

No, it wouldn't increase their maxhit at all

But if you mean to say with the new amulet

Maybe idk I haven't calced

[north vessel]

The arrows from what i understood were potentially +2 max hit. Maybe i misread.

[thick beacon]

its min hit increase

which I think is not 1-1 with 2max hit increase but idk

[north vessel]

Ahh then yea i misread.

[meager flame]

tbf you cant even really get that mad at people protesting the ui

if jagex had one signature bad game design update

its probably their ui

in both versions of the game lol

it pretty much never really hits correctly on the first attempt

[hard axle]

it's the same for jewelry box

leave the existing config alone, add to it

[meager flame]

remember when they changed the rune pouch

and they did basically everything wrong

yeah

[hard axle]

shifting the letters down 1

fucks up muscle memory

I would honestly revert this and then put an empty containers over the unlock placeholder 😭

[meager flame]

did the same to spirit trees too

[hard axle]

exactly

[meager flame]

just reordered it one update then had to fix it

[hard axle]

when they added priff

[meager flame]

the sailing ui is another example

theres a scroll bar on something you'd use in combat

lmao like

[hard axle]

I hate when games try to modernize because it ALWAYS ends up shit

I never had an issue with the old League of Legend client crashing on me

and with a significantly worse PC back then

now this shit crashes on the regular between rounds on a 2k pc

[meager flame]

i wouldn't mind if they just gave us the tools to customize our own ui in a positive way

[hard axle]

I don't like that honestly

there should be some sembalance of similarity between clients

[meager flame]

im fine with it as long as they actually do things you'd actually want to do

like let you resize buttons or like change font sizes or borders colors stuff like that

but yeah if they come in and just make a change for everyone with no options

people are just gonna be pissed

[north vessel]

Unlock placeholder should be a setting, not a button, i dont know if they changed it, but the amount of times ive mis clicked that button on mobile and scrambled my gear tab is pain.

[hard axle]

I literally had to disable it with CMS

[meager flame]

ya theres no reason its a button

they're just unhinged

[chrome lantern]

I use that button intentionally all the time

[meager flame]

like

i think the only time i actually interact with my placeholders to remove one

is if i have like a big stupid loot tab somewhere and im just trying to get bank space back

[hard axle]

mine's set to shift click to unlock/lock

[meager flame]

and i dont even really need a button for that

[hard axle]

that's how it should be

[north vessel]

I literally went and unlocked potion storage when my bank hit 700 slots, i hated the clutter of my pots tab anyway.

[meager flame]

but most of the time with my tabs im just about never wanting anything to happen to my placeholders

but you know what would fix all of that for everyone

if you could just open up settings and turn any button on or off and put it where you wanted it

[north vessel]

Last time my gear tab scrambled i legit 1tick thumbs down logged out.

Its time we got split stacks on vanilla clients. Id love to have seperate tabs set up for different content like rl does.

[hard axle]

I would rather have a second row

empty containers under the empty inventory

and keep the shit the same

[meager flame]

they dont do that because they're stuck with a specific size

[north vessel]

Id rather shit in my hands and clap than have even less viewable back space on mobile.

[meager flame]

it needs way more customizability basically

[north vessel]

Literally every thing on mobile clutters the screen, why not make the bank take more space.

Especially when the chat box and mini maps are minimized.

[brisk hill]

Reduce the amount of worlds the wildy is accessible in

[remote ruin]

does the new empty containers button work with fish crates?

[narrow folio]

Good question

[limber creek]

Add new worlds for a new skill in the future you say??? Bet!

[graceful jungle]

We should isolate the irons to iron-only worlds so they can talk about how theyre iron btw and leave us alone

[brisk hill]

We should have anyone who has beef with each other to duel in the wildy

[tender harness]

you played league? explains a lot

[obsidian venture]

We actually do this with tobbers. Duo tob battles 🥀

It’s always good content

[brisk hill]

Real question is do they do it in wildy tho

[obsidian venture]

Not in full max!

Wildy duo battles should be a thing

Basic med/max set and gl

[brisk hill]

Would be cool. Only exists atm in clan wars & mainly for pures

[limber creek]

it is a thing! If you have 2 and your opponents show up with 2. You'd be surprised how many times me and a homie fight 2v3 or 2v4 and absolutely eat them alive!

[brisk hill]

As is ofc unofficial

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

We just do it for tob because it’s the most interesting scale

As many do not pot duos and so it’s fun to watch

Usually over random and pointless beef

[brisk hill]

Ok wait. Minute

You mean ppl raid duo

But not battle duo

[hard axle]

[brisk hill]

I’ve been bamboozled

[obsidian venture]

Haha yeah

We have a point system and a panel of judges as well

[brisk hill]

I’ve been BAmboozled

I thought you were having ppl fight each other l0”

I’m thinking“hell yeah!”

[obsidian venture]

LMAO

mbmb

Duo are the best way to judge how much people suck at tob

And boy there isn’t a limit

[rigid silo]

Are there any good updates today? because the menu stuff is stupid, the bank interface stuff is stupid, and the facility bottle is stupid. It's one of the worst cases of 'No thanks, I didn't ask for this' I've seen. someone tell me something is good today?

[brisk hill]

Yeah the wildy update is pog for pvpers

But also not pog same time

[rigid silo]

ok thats good

[brisk hill]

Good & bad tbh. More good than bad bc handles bots. Bad because more of the food chain is gone for PvP

So! Not all bad I guess

[graceful jungle]

He's too busy beefing with body wash to beef with me, he should try being captain of the bathtub

[brisk hill]

That’s a zinger if I’ve ever seen it!

[limber creek]

instead of giving us a way to kill and quell the bots not only taking away their active gp made but their bank values internally, we instead pushed an update to take more players out of the wilderness, and cause bots to have to skill for an additional day prior to rebotting the same content.

[brisk hill]

Yeah it’s a tough one. Idk how you walk the line making the content less appealing for botters & still doable for early lvl accs

Essentially you’ve just killed all pure pking at these locations

[limber creek]

Which will kill med pking at these locations that like to hunt and bully pures.

Which will hurt main pking at these locations that like to hunt and bully meds

Which will hurt people like me and you that attack everything

[brisk hill]

It’s unfortunate but soon “fair fights” is all we will have

[hard axle]

easiest way to kill bots is to let anyone attack anyone in wildy, but we don't talk about that

[brisk hill]

Can’t wait to spec trade with my target until one of us dies

[limber creek]

Opt in pvp is just a step away.
And it all started with skull prevention.

[brisk hill]

not so much opt in

but i wouldnt be surprised if nothing w/ incentive was ever added to wildy going forward

[limber creek]

"2/3 wishes to pk you, do you accept"

[graceful jungle]

"wishes to pk you" is funny wording

[brisk hill]

my brain is mush hopefully that sentence makes sense

[limber creek]

Honestly playing ashes of creation, the pvp there is a lot more active anymore.

[graceful jungle]

they should let you right-click and duel someone anywhere just watch it go down wherever

[brisk hill]

removing that is what brought us wildy

so pls dont

[obsidian venture]

Haven't seen vw price since update

[plain swift]

What are they doing to create multi hotspot pking, Callisto was active and really fun before the changes today. How have they ruined all of this again

[obsidian venture]

hopefully this makes the pricepoint a bit healthier

[minor whale]

Went up 7m since after spiking 10

Hopefully long term it'll stay up a bit

I think the hard diary req will be the most useful thing for stopping bots

I doubt the medium diary will change much for multi

It'll help track them earlier

But multi wasn't the thing shitting out pieces

[zinc galleon]

I thought about trying AoC just for the pvp, is it fun coming from rs?

[hard axle]

it was and wasn't

cuz 120 kph on mass worlds

for callisto only

that is the only boss that scaled super well

but it was mainly cloggers doing it for elites

venenatis and vet were nowhere near as fast

[limber creek]

oh yeah. Think rs death mechanics with a more wow style gameplay.

[brisk hill]

callisto isnt too bad of a middle ground between spider & vetion. i think the price reflects that as well. spider which is the most miserable to do w/ more than 2 ppl = most expensive. vetion you can do w/o taking damage = the least expensive. just interesting to point out

[tacit pendant]

Realistically jagex just needs to try a different approach and make it a pain in the ass to make new accounts

[limber creek]

vetion people logout if its not dog combat time too is soooo annoying

[zinc galleon]

What’s also quite goofy about the caves now, is that people who don’t do the diaries can’t pk there as well, making it safer, and then less contested by real players. So at this point maybe just remove the caves from the wilderness and give us an actual multi-way hot spot for pvp.

[maiden bramble]

how do i make a complain about the wildy boss cave req's? i know its only a diary, but i already have 400kc and just want the pick.

the cave has my 50k, i want it returned!!!!!!!!

Lol

[brisk hill]

rip that guys 50k

i stand in solidarity w/ u brother.

[maiden bramble]

tbh they can keep the 50k i just wanna kill the stupid boss and get the pick lol

[brisk hill]

respect for killing it in multi fella

[tacit wharf]

guess they should get to training then, if they want to pk there

[maiden bramble]

stupid update lol

[brisk hill]

ye i think any credible pker has hards done

for the obelisk lol

but, i have accs that dont have those reqs done

[zinc galleon]

Any friends you want to pk with, whole clans probably will require them now too 🤷‍♂️

[tacit wharf]

i mean thats for mediums, which isnt hard at all

[brisk hill]

agreed, itll take the bot makers 4 hours longer than before

[tacit wharf]

and for hards

[brisk hill]

[zinc galleon]

Yeah it’s not difficult, but it’s unnecessary barriers for players

[tacit wharf]

is it

reasonable money maker with not much of a barrier isnt good

can get most of those after a few day of a normal person training their account

[cyan marlin]

Suggestion... please don't let the bag holding the TOA supplies auto-close in combat

[zinc galleon]

Well it works both ways with diary: less people can come get you, it’s less dangerous

[tacit wharf]

and that is both a good and bad thing

[brisk hill]

ye so idk how this is a good solution to a bot problem lol

[tacit wharf]

u over pk in a place, less people overall want to go and do it

which actually is good for pkers, means more of the worlds will have people when u hop to them

[zinc galleon]

Well if it’s uncontested, then me and the boys can farm it ourselves 🤷‍♂️
Clans I’ve played with do callisto, pk at callisto, and anti

[maiden bramble]

exaclty, not done anything about the bot situation, just made legit players have to do more. so annoying

[zinc galleon]

And cycle continues

[nocturne solstice]

I feel like most legit players have the diary requirements cause they're pretty easy no?

[maiden bramble]

means bot makers gonna make a script for it. then sell it. and because it should be slightly more profitable to begin with, there will be more bots. good one jagex

i got too much to do to be running around wildy faffing about lol

[nocturne solstice]

its like a 10 minute adventure to get it all done surely

okay maybe 30m

[tacit wharf]

if that is too much for you, yet you pk, not not sure what to tell ya

[zinc galleon]

If they are into that type of gameplay, sure. When i started again on OSrs i did minimum quests to start pking and that was all i did

[nocturne solstice]

Makes sense to me

The minimum went up to specifically pk at these specific locations so back to the grind I guess

[tacit wharf]

waiting for rev cave to req wildy elite before entry

🛏️

[brisk hill]

make it multi and sure

[brisk hill]

yeah but like how do we not understand this clearly isnt the fix?

if its a 30min adventure for a real player is it rly that hard for a bot farmer to do the same thing?

[nocturne solstice]

I see it as a multi-faceted approach to anti-botting.

[nocturne solstice]

Yes

[tacit wharf]

more point of contact in the anti-cheat system to flag botters

[nocturne solstice]

Because the bot farmer is all about efficiency so they wont have the lvl requirements which adds a lot of hours before they can start farming.

More time wasted by the bot lvling is more time to be detected by jagex.

and not making profit in that time.

Regular players would have the requirements already and be able to finish the diary in 30m or less

[brisk hill]

ok, so for this cycle of a bot farm, it slows them down

moving forward, its just another req before hitting the caves

[nocturne solstice]

not really this cycle, just every future cycle

[brisk hill]

i dont rly see it is as a fix and only see it as a bandaid

[tacit wharf]

i still dont understand how they dont have systems in place for (x) content, for bots that gets the min req's for something and then start killing (x) for hundreds of kills straight

[nocturne solstice]

Since this is permanent time added before they can farm wildy bosses

[tacit pendant]

Would it completely put off new players if you werent allowed to use a bond for members until a normal months membership was purchased?

[brisk hill]

i get what ur saying and i do agree

[nocturne solstice]

again, multi-faceted approach. A permanent solution would be requiring physical ID attached to your account and only 1 ID per account and you get permabanned.

[brisk hill]

i guess we'll just have to see w/ the price of vw

[analog crow]

I suggested this idea ages ago

[maiden bramble]

all they gotta do is ban anyone with chainmace and dfs lol

[nocturne solstice]

thats obviously way too extreme

[brisk hill]

ill lyk re: wildy activity 😄

[tacit pendant]

Well it feels obvious and atleast punishes banned bots way harder

[graceful jungle]

I’m not mad at this but if they polled it I believe it would fail

[nocturne solstice]

It would be offputting for a lot of people. Id would also make it harder for me to gift friends bonds

I try to bait friends into the game by offering them a bond after beating dragon slayer 1

[analog crow]

The response I got then from Ash was that botting was a problem already before bonds existed

[graceful jungle]

I mean yeah they’ve been a staple

When have bots ever not been a issue lol

[nocturne solstice]

Its kinda like that garbage bin for a national park problem. Anti botting features have to stop bots but not deter regular players.

[limber creek]

before the big bang presumeably

[analog crow]

Still I agree that requiring real membership purchase first would be effective if on a ban they also ban all accounts funded by the same payment card/account

[limber creek]

privacy.com exists brother

[tacit pendant]

I mean sure, they existed, but like it'd be tougher and more impactful to the bot farms if they couldnt solely use gp for their farm

[limber creek]

make fake cards for one time purchases with preloaded amounts

[graceful jungle]

They should also ban Jagex accounts for botting not just the character

[limber creek]

i use this for online shopping myself already

[tacit pendant]

Because the amount of gp to make 12 actual dollars via black market is wayyyyy higher

[maiden bramble]

shoulda done medium comabt tasks. most legit playes doing wildy bosses shoulds have it, more for bots to do though

[analog crow]

Yeah but you’d have to make loads of them
It’s another barrier to botting

[limber creek]

i have like 100 bro lol

takes 2 seconds

[graceful jungle]

2 extra seconds multiplied by thousands is hours of extra work

[analog crow]

Can jagex just not accept that method
Idk

[limber creek]

i mean so are updating diaries. all seems moot to me

[zinc galleon]

I don’t have any tier of CAs completed ☠️

[nocturne solstice]

F

[graceful jungle]

Real

I don’t have one hard diary done

[maiden bramble]

but u haver diarys done? lol

[charred oracle]

Are they considering requiring diaries for access to cows, chickens, goblins, in lumby given how many bots there are there

[limber creek]

just a stop to regular players honestly i like the ideas but none of it is helping.. 🙁

[tacit pendant]

F2p is a lost battle

[zinc galleon]

Not into pvm. Only diaries i have fully completed are wilderness diaries (i play on 1 def account)

[nocturne solstice]

f2p is also pennies compared to wildy profit

[limber creek]

why design content around bots when bots are going to engage regardless imo. May as well design the content to be engaging to real players then those real players will kill the bots.

[tacit pendant]

Yes i was just responding to the guy talking bout lumby goblins lol

[nocturne solstice]

yeah i agree with ya

[tacit pendant]

Nice

[tranquil topaz]

seed box doesnt count as a container? just tried the new button and it doesnt empty it

[tacit pendant]

Not even a conspiracy i just genuinely think the bot battle is not a top priority for them. Its on the list, but its not #1 and i doubt it ever will be

[charred oracle]

I mean really so is p2p, are they gonna make chatting/trading require diaries because of the casino/spambots? Seems quite silly to me instead of upping detection or other methods

If bots are reaching top 100 ranks for things that is really a problem

[tacit pendant]

Im not saying jagex is pro bot at all, but they only really wanna put so much towards it

Nobodys quitting over the bots. The players writing the game off entirely because of bots probably wouldnt like it all that much even if the problem was solved

[graceful jungle]

I always believed if Jagex had a magic button that would erase all bots now and forever that they wouldn’t push it. They’d look at the money from memberships and accept the trade off. The bot busting stream are just for show.

[charred oracle]

I mean, quite a few probably are. It's the same with D2.

[nocturne solstice]

I mean, bots almost lead to the whole company shutting down from legal issues which lead to the removal of free trade so I doubt they wouldnt push it

[graceful jungle]

15 years ago?

[nocturne solstice]

They cause the same ole problem now as before

[graceful jungle]

I guess.

[tacit pendant]

Legal enviroment also very diff.

Shit, gambling is hella legal and encouraged im the US, duel arena could flourish if they were a shittier company

[tacit wharf]

?

[graceful jungle]

Gambling is legal.

My bad I thought you said illegal.

[nocturne solstice]

Gambling is legal and has a lot of legal requirements that you dont want forced on your game for 16+

[tacit wharf]

in specific area's, and with restrictions

[tacit pendant]

Maybe not the best agruement and more nuanced but its a very different world. And cyber crimes are handled differently today than when free trade was removed

[graceful jungle]

The cyber police don’t play, you done goofed.

[languid ravine]

yea, if they were hard line against RWT they wouldnt be selling gold officially thru bonds

[nocturne solstice]

I never understood that argument tbh

[tacit wharf]

bonds where added for the f2p servers

the stipulation*

all for them nuking f2p, but more than like that means bonds go bye bye as well

[nocturne solstice]

Why are people upset with a real way to buy membership with GP? Obviously there's a demand for it, a legal way is good.

A blackmarket for it means Jagex gets into legal trouble, you risk being scammed, and you have less options.

[tacit pendant]

Bonds are good for sure

[tacit wharf]

just something that people either dont know or forget, is why im saying it

[tacit pendant]

Other guys statement still true though. If it was a hard line, game integrity thing they wouldnt do it

Cant draw further conclusions than that though

[nocturne solstice]

I think people just misunderstand things intentionally or otherwise.

Any company, developer, publisher, whatever. When they don't want RWT its obviously about blackmarket RWT off their own platform.

They obviously have no issue with selling you stuff.

[graceful jungle]

If you can't beat em we might as well be the plug. Lol

[nocturne solstice]

If there's a demand you might as well offer a legal way to do it right?

[graceful jungle]

Yeah so make it so your PoH butler does gathering skills for you overnight. Massive gold sink and keeps you doing the things you want to do.

[nocturne solstice]

We already have that it's called Throne of Miscellania

[brisk hill]

just wish we could mitigate bots and not kill off food chains

[languid ravine]

its crazy to me u can teleport out of boss rooms

that they r so low wildy lvl and that the pker has almost no time to tb

[graceful jungle]

Imagine running from a gym leader in Pokemon LMAO

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah agreed tbh, they should atleast block the tele unless you step outside.

[languid ravine]

some of the bots are slightly out of reach for a maxed pkers lvl to kill them also, which they maybe do on purpose but idk

[brisk hill]

yes, that is done on purpose

[languid ravine]

they usually wear mystic those ones it seems

what if boss room is way higher lvl wildy

so u can nuke the low lvls first then chase down the remainder xD

[graceful jungle]

They should just make it so anyone can attack anyone in the wilderness and remove the x-levels up/down thing.

[brisk hill]

bosses shouldve never been in singles imo

[languid ravine]

for deep wildy it may aswell be a free for all, cos at that high lvl its only protecting skillers xD

lower lvls theres an argument lower lvls could have easier time escaping at cost of dying quicker i guess

[brisk hill]

im torn, you effectively kill all other brackets

pures/zerks become novelty accs

[languid ravine]

i heard zerks are bad now

[graceful jungle]

True but when you play a compromised build you need accept compromised gameplay.

[brisk hill]

ye but there was a benefit to playing a "compromised" build

[languid ravine]

i think builds are important for pvp

pures are a bit funny in that they arent exactly glass cannons cos of high hp and even high magic lvl provides magic def

[graceful jungle]

Why didn't they just remove the staking part of the Duel Arena and left it for fun? If people are gonna bet money they're still doing it in the wilderness. The Arena could have had a system that matched with you a similar level for bragging rights or even skull both of you.

[languid ravine]

yea idk its weird to me to change the game to combat rule breaking

they always find another way if its not directly stopping them

more hoops to jump thru

[limber creek]

if you wanna solve wilderness bots. sure make wildy a true ffa. That def solves. Besides the part where the bots are still gonna 1t tele out regardless of the situation. The dude that mentioned removing teles from the wild has honestly been cooking the more i think about it. Because nothing is going to stop the bots from having advantage..
But thats just so many changes compiling on top of one another...

But then thats just more mainland bots to deal with lol

i mean they added hop timer limit and it affects me as a real player. they dont care about us when they make the deciscion.

[oblique mesa]

If teleports did get removed they would also need to remove clue steps in the wildy too 🥺

[limber creek]

why

[oblique mesa]

Just annoying to leave the wilderness for doing clue steps for no real reason

[graceful jungle]

It takes 10 seconds out of combat to hop worlds but you can tele to safety in 1 second. They def gotta increase the time it takes to tele.

Or make it a quest point requirement to be able to 1 second tele.

[ember token]

[[I DSCIM YOU]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/I_DSCIM_YOU

[torpid delta]

"what are you going to do, dscim me?" - quote from man dscimmed

[brisk hill]

i think it would deter ppl a lot from entering widly. delay to tele is the way i think

multi revs had the formula

[drowsy chasm]

Did the update change bank item spacing? I feel like the bank item spacing and inventory item spacing were the same?

[languid ravine]

i meant the boss room itself could be lvl 126 wilderness, but soon as u leave its back to normal lvls. so in theory u can do the bosses at lower lvls but u might get smashed first

[near widget]

Can someone explain the reason for needing a 1/2k drop to move sailing facilties around? Especially if you need to redo two or something to swap em around, its excessively punishing in my opinion.

[brisk hill]

that would be interesting, but it still kills anything that isnt a main

[near widget]

We all wanted this to be possible, but more like a NPC that just does it

[languid ravine]

well they can still escape the room if they are good (maybe xD)

or they might not get targetted if ppl want juicier loot they might go for the higher lvl ppl

[limber creek]

not syaing you dont pk there. but if you do then you know that people stay beside the exit and 1 tick go out. the entirety of wbr is trashed

[ember token]

[[big evil chicken]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Big_Evil_Chicken

[languid ravine]

tbh its prob kinda random who gets targetted in multi its just down to however is frozen first

[near widget]

Looking at this, im still not at all excited to go for dragon facilities as the cost to move them if things change will suck

[tacit wharf]

for mistakes, not the ocd i gotta keep moving my furniture around in my house

[torpid delta]

jagex realized people "finished" sailing too fast and decided people needed to be thrown back into the mines for a bit

[near widget]

yeah im also annoyed that it doesnt drop from top salvage

I did them one by one till clog and now im at the big one hunting the barrel

[graceful jungle]

People who got to salvage from the spots that never moved early on are so lucky lol

[brisk hill]

[graceful jungle]

Exploit early, exploit often

[near widget]

when they release the bigger, combat-focused ship this'll mean we all gotta go and fish up 4k+ salvage to move shit around

gonna be great xD

[austere mulch]

In 2029

[near widget]

I do just wish they made moving things around simple like it is in your POH

[tacit wharf]

but thats not that same

[austere mulch]

That’s what I figured we’d get ngl

[near widget]

why intentionally make something less user friendly?

I'd accept it if you had to get a 1/2k salvage clog, show it to a NPC, and they teach you how to make it

[austere mulch]

Bottle is whatever though. Can see it being mildly annoying for irons tho but that’s not the end of the world

[near widget]

having to get one for every ------- facility just sucks

[austere mulch]

Ideally, wouldn’t need to get too many of them because you’d plan in advance

[tacit wharf]

u shouldnt be having to move that many facilities

[narrow folio]

Repeat after me

Moving facilities around in the same boat should be free!!

[tacit wharf]

[near widget]

^

[tacit wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[near widget]

I did plan my boats. Being worried it wasn't the right way still made me hesitant to go for the dragon tier shit

[winged mantle]

Or at least give you back the initial resources

[narrow folio]

Yes

[near widget]

I just had enough stress over it that I just didnt go for them

just a stupid decision imo to not make it user friendly once unlocked

[winged mantle]

Or pickup the facility as an item that's untrabable. They didn't need to monkeys paw it

[near widget]

it seems with sailing they went "OH TIME SINK!!! GOOD!!!!"

with everything]

[winged mantle]

Let's punish the players for making a mistake

[near widget]

^

still no word on boat paints

[winged mantle]

when they bring out bigger boats

[near widget]

as well there

[graceful jungle]

Idk youre removing nails, tearing up boards, you should at least have to come back with more of those

[winged mantle]

I'm still sad about that

[near widget]

fr, your graphic is still the closest we got xD

[chrome lantern]

I mean I said this before as well but especially if we have uncertainty about future facility slots, facilities should be permanent unlock, such as if the NPCs/salvaging dropped a consumable schematic rather than the unique items, then you “learn” to build the facility using sheets. You don’t need a rune cannon barrel to build a rune cannon

[winged mantle]

You'd think if you're skilled enough to build it, you can carefully remove it

[chrome lantern]

Schematics right now are pointless island and clog bloat

[near widget]

this. I can pull apart my furniture and reuse the nails. we got fucking magic in osrs, let us just do this.

[chrome lantern]

I got 3 cannons on my way training. Will that be enough for the future? Or are we just expected that if content comes out in 5 years we go back for 6m more xp or whatever the rate is? And I got lucky

[winged mantle]

You can reuse nails irl

[near widget]

expect 4 for the bigger boat 😛

[winged mantle]

If you're careful

[near widget]

yup

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that’s what I mean

[near widget]

they say they're adding a new source for that at least but tsill

[chrome lantern]

Also I built my crystal extractor on day 2 of Sailing, I didn’t even know there was a good or bad place to build it

[near widget]

looking at them saying a 1/2.5k drop to move thing around is an easy fix, I'm horrified of the droprate at that kraken

[chrome lantern]

Back to the moving facilities

[chrome lantern]

I don’t even really think this is good either because it will be way worse to kill without already having the barrel(s) lol

[near widget]

ye lol

im still staying away from further ship combat till thats reworked

[near widget]

imagine, if you go dry on the bottle, with your luck you coulda just gone for a new dragon cannon barrel instead XD

[austere mulch]

They adding it to kraken aren’t they

Some new kraken

[near widget]

ye

[austere mulch]

With normal combat not being ganked, surely that’ll help quite a bit

[spice garnet]

empty containers doesn't work for the forestry basket

[near widget]

ah well, time to make some food and let this salvage chest fill up over the next 25min

[near widget]

just logs or leaves n shit too?

[spice garnet]

I want to be able to deposit just logs, but it doesn't even recognize the basket as a container

[near widget]

annoying

guess its still just the one click if ur woodcutting only

but probably something to fix indeed

[chrome lantern]

Yeah my point is though that we’re not seeing any changes to combat until the summer and using bad combat to get the combat thing kinda sucks

[spice garnet]

yeah just one extra click so nbd overall

[chrome lantern]

Especially with how much accuracy they put on the cannons and cannonballs, not even to mention str

[near widget]

wasnti t set for spring?

afaik they said they wanted to rush combat

[chrome lantern]

Yeah looking back I may have misremembered, reading blog

But that’s still far away

[near widget]

mhm

oh well

im just hoping they look at the facility bottle again

[vagrant solstice]

can we fix the delay on the potion storage, it's genuinely annoying

[near widget]

"here is a very rare drop to make sure you can keep your eextremely rare drop"

-> just show the boat bottle to the ship recovery people and ask them how to make it. blow glass or something and make a magic bottle

[austere mulch]

Don’t we all just love how limited game modes aren’t supposed to be impacting main game release schedule

[meager flame]

ngl i wish personally that dmm and leagues didn't exist

[austere mulch]

Fine. Bottle can now be crafted by using four (4) pieces of pirate glass (1/500 from pirate salvage? with glassblowing pipe after reading the recovery bottle schematic (1/1300 from vampyre kraken)

[meager flame]

definitely makes the main game lose content

[austere mulch]

It was always the biggest joke when they said it wouldn’t impede on main game content

[meager flame]

oh i know

im just saying i hate that garbage lol

[ember token]

think it's more covering for the lack of significant content in this case

[austere mulch]

Because 1. It takes dev time
2. They don’t do big releases during temp game modes for integrity to the game mode

[meager flame]

it is the significant content unfortunately

[austere mulch]

Hell, they don’t really do any meaningful updates during them

[meager flame]

look at how much effort they actually put into those modes

its not simple or easy

[graceful jungle]

Imagine if they removed ticks and the game ran in real-time

[tender harness]

Limited game modes bring people back and they see an influx of people
They are however doing too much at once, and DMM into leagues is just no

[austere mulch]

Yeah I think them putting both dmm and leagues b2b at the start of the year is just masquerading their lack of progress on the larger updates as “hype” for both temp modes

[tender harness]

And temp game modes is not content
Watching stuff get delayed and being given leagues with the same arbitrary restrictions that we've had for the past several leagues, is just tiring

[languid ravine]

i love DMM but it seems like every version since 2015 has been watered down to now basically a pvp world xd

[tender harness]

No sailing either because why not

[brisk hill]

ye but how do you plan on changing that when its one of jagex's best money makers l0l

& a way for them to bring cosmetics into the game while making money

not saying i disagree

[austere mulch]

On one side of the coin, they say they don’t want leagues to be too long because it can feel exhausting and ofc no main game progress

So what do we do, if we don’t have content and don’t want to make leagues longer? Just slap another temp game mode in front of it

[brisk hill]

just saying theres no way they ever stop lol

[tender harness]

Stop prioritizing temp game modes

Like full stop

[graceful jungle]

???

Why

[austere mulch]

Temp game modes are fine until they start taking away from main game release schedule and quality

[tender harness]

If the cadence of said game modes is encroaching on development time for the main game
Your issue lays in trying to make leagues faster and more frequent

[meager flame]

so they're never fine basically

[graceful jungle]

Thats what Im reading

[austere mulch]

That’s the catch 🤣

[brisk hill]

i for 1 am thankful for dmm

[meager flame]

because they both cost a lot

[brisk hill]

means jagex hasnt given up on pvp 🥲

[meager flame]

but yeah if it were up to me i'd never want either

[graceful jungle]

How do you know what leagues cost

[meager flame]

rather just get an equally big real game update

and it would be a big one

they put in a lot of effort for those modes

[austere mulch]

If there was a separate team who’s entire role was putting out temp game modes alongside main game content, that’d be great

Obviously not the case though

[graceful jungle]

Its a once a year thing (if that)

[tender harness]

Look at the road map
Blood moon rises an early 2026 quest delayed to summer
The big feature hit is DMM until summer
Sailing has also seen delays because of this

[languid ravine]

temp gamemodes are good to try out new things which would then go into main game (like how DMM created bank keys)

[tender harness]

Leagues should rotate years DMM doesnt run
But to do both especially close together is too much

[brisk hill]

well ye especially when 1 is starting to mimic the other

and we all know which would get removed

[graceful jungle]

I'm not mad at that idea

[tender harness]

DMM needs its own help

[brisk hill]

which as a wildy lover, i'd agree w/ u and say focus main game first

dont care abt dmm if u give quality updates to wildy

[ember token]

alternate leagues with RS3, osrs get leagues 1 year and rs3 gets leagues the next, repeat, run DMM in the off-years when it's rs3's turn for leagues

[brisk hill]

but quality updates to wildy dont drive profit like dmm/leagues lol

[tender harness]

And yeah we have an rs3 league thos year too forgot

[graceful jungle]

That's what I was thinking. Leagues brings eyeballs to the game and gives everyone a fresh start feeling without actually starting fresh

People eat seasonal shit up especially MMO players

[brisk hill]

omg osrs battle pass 🔜

[meager flame]

if this is a real question its just from thinking about whats in front of me when im playing a league or dmm for like 2 seconds

they have their own systems, art, rewards, tons and tons of gameplay altering mechanics, sometimes unique bosses and items

there actually is not even a single update that has as many moving parts ever

[graceful jungle]

I bet they're spending more money on Raids 4 than leagues.

[sharp cave]

ugh really??? the deposit from containers STILL doesnt empty equipped log basket/fish sack??????????????????????????????????

wtf?

[minor whale]

They said they literally can't get it to work a while back and it seems they haven't figured it out still