game-update

[hard axle]

ye, but it was giga resets

[tender harness]

the one in particular who whined on twitter because colo broke his gm

so they nerfed cas for it

[minor whale]

Yup
As soon as Jagex starts nerfing difficulties because niche unofficial account builds start begging for changes they need to be told to fuck off

[balmy widget]

Exactly why people do it lol

[hard axle]

ik

[balmy widget]

They want a difficult challenge that most would think is impossible

[hard axle]

my entire point is get easy defense levels or get annoying time

[meager flame]

i just think that when they do requirements badly it just makes the game less interesting

like

the gm zerks are a good example

[balmy widget]

Agreed

[meager flame]

they could easily just be a higher def level and get gm right

but thats way less interesting than what they actually did

[balmy widget]

But limiting complete access goes from haha fun challenge to nothing

[meager flame]

its a good thing that people with unusual builds can still complete the impressive things in the game

like the 60 attack dude that apparently got gm

that shit was probably crazy lol

[chrome lantern]

I don’t really find gm zerk more impressive than other gm

[tacit wharf]

almost like he planned it that way so he could do it

you know, playing inside his restrictions that he set for himself so he could do it

[tender harness]

reddit

[meager flame]

yes which is why when jagex comes in with a requirement that just blocks them from even trying in the first place

nothing interesting happens

they just cant play

[tacit wharf]

these restrictions have been there since ages ago

should of planned accordingly

[meager flame]

planned for content that doesn't exist yet

[chrome lantern]

If only someone could’ve anticipated the release of the defense skill

[meager flame]

restrictions are only interesting when you can overcome them and take an alternative route to your goal

[chrome lantern]

That’s subjective and arbitrary

[meager flame]

if the end result is you just dont do anything because its not possible to play

[tender harness]

what are you talking about?
literally plan your defense skill reqs accordingly
if you want access to certain things tied behind defense then level it. that isn't jagexs problem you crutched yourself. and supporting every single snowflake account frankly sets a bad precedent

[meager flame]

there is no gameplay thats making your restriction interesting at that point

[chrome lantern]

Restrictions aren’t inherently interesting, it’s literally completely subjective

[harsh herald]

Which ca?

[meager flame]

i mean its not really subjective in this case

[minor whale]

I think restricting all future content to quest lines where you don't need specific combat skills levels is just really silly lol

[chrome lantern]

iirc on release the spear/halberd one was only spears

[meager flame]

if you just cannot actually play the game there isn't anything to follow along with

rather than problem solving and figuring out a different way to do stuff you're instead just not participating

[chrome lantern]

Nothing is stopping you from playing the game what are you talking about

[minor whale]

Yup, because Sol literally uses a spear
So they changed it away from just spears because somebody cried on Twitter

[meager flame]

yeah but we're talking about when restrictions are good or bad from jagex like ironman is an interesting restriction not being able to trade

because there is an alternative route you can do it yourself

if the ironman restriction was that you can't leave tutorial island that would be terrible

because you just can't do anything

[harsh herald]

Oh yeah, zammy hasta or spear

[meager flame]

so the whole self restricted thing follows the same logic like

[chrome lantern]

Should Jagex have never released amethyst because someone playing an 807 account would never be able to get it?

[meager flame]

its only interesting and fun when you have to overcome the challenge and do something differently

its not fun or interesting when you just cant do anything

[tender harness]

I need to actually find it. this was like two or three years ago at this point one of the gm zerkers tweeted about it though and got it changed.
it might have been the spear only one

[chrome lantern]

You can do as much as your self-chosen restriction lets you do, and nothing is stopping you from just playing the game without that restriction

[minor whale]

It was, yes

[chrome lantern]

And almost everyone playing said restricted accounts

Already has an account they can do that on

[minor whale]

"I brought mine too"

[harsh herald]

Yeah probs was, all attack styles give def. Meh, don't really think it takes anything away from it imo

Would have been pre nox hally too

[chrome lantern]

It was a pretty dumb gimmick CA to begin with tbh

Didn’t really need to exist

I don’t care for gear CAs

Combat style like doom is an interesting thing

[remote ruin]

you'll take your salamander only CAs and you'll like it

[chrome lantern]

“Equip huey hide” is not

“Kill the boss with weapons designed to kill it” is not

[meager flame]

i hate when they just add clogging CAs

[chrome lantern]

It’s so bad

[tender harness]

speed ca's are bad but thats a hot take

[chrome lantern]

On varla 2 ca release I said that to Mod Blossom and it got ignored

[meager flame]

i think some speed CAs are good and some are bad

[chrome lantern]

Like

Acknowledged

But then completely never regarded or mentioned

[meager flame]

like

the good speed CAs usually happen over a larger length of time so its less about rng and more about playing correctly

the bad ones are like kill vorkath in x seconds

[tender harness]

muspah shield skips feel good
GG GM time is kinda tight

[chrome lantern]

I personally just don’t care at all about speed times or group cox/toa so I haven’t remotely tried to push for GM from master

[meager flame]

it just sucks when you can run the strat perfectly and fail repeatedly anyways

the good ones are the ones where its basically impossible to fail over a long time if you just do the right thing

[restive sapphire]

for the most part i enjoy the group gms
the average s18 toa 8 man shows that the amount of coordination that would be elementary for a wow player is almost impossible for the average osrs player

[meager flame]

i kind of think group CAs just aren't right for this game each time they try it

[harsh herald]

Probs another hot take but some of speed cas need refreshing with power creep

[meager flame]

they probably wont ever fix that

its always going to mostly be recent history speed CAs that are the hard ones when it comes to the short sort of rng battles with hitting hard enough or not

[tender harness]

that will never be fixed

speed CAs will be easier over time to a degree

[restive sapphire]

yeah
idrc about readjusting old content for time
but i do wish tfa would actually be damn hard even with max gear wild that 9 year old content is still the benchmark for the most part

[meager flame]

tbh i wonder what they mean by the next raid is the hardest raid

they said some stuff that scares me

like when they talked about the stats being bigger

[tender harness]

im just waiting for shellbane CAs
18 seconds w/o scythe struggling hard to get lower than that 😭

[harsh herald]

Idk man sometimes I can see why mmropgs refresh every season

Some content just gets stagnated by time

[restive sapphire]

in a way all content "gets easier" over time
perfect kills: more dps = less time to make mistakes
achievement diaries get easier as better training methods come to the game
honestly people who want qpc to not be 100% qps are wild bc existing quests get easier over time

[meager flame]

i mean thats probably a good thing for CAs

[harsh herald]

What is it like 10 years since achievement diaries?

[meager flame]

since every year they just like

add more of them

imagine if every speed CA was updated to be hard all the time

lmao new people to doing them all would just be like

okay let me get my 10b worth of gear first and then do these 87 different speed CAs

[harsh herald]

Doesn't have to be annual but 2 years would be fine

I just look at some stuff and its so outdated

[hard axle]

they would cause so many people to rage

[meager flame]

ya especially since i bet if they were really doing that long term and not occasionally one off changes

[hard axle]

cuz u have folks who legitimately think it's torture to maintain alreayd, when its really not

[chrome lantern]

Would be way more RNG and CAs would be harder to complete

[meager flame]

they'd probably make us all go back to do them again

it honestly would be painful if we all had to hop on and do every speed ca again and again

if jagex did something like that they'd probably just change CAs and start like

seasonal gm rewards or something

and just drop a new list every 6 months lmao

[hard axle]

sub 18 cm 5s

[obsidian venture]

Speed cas are fine imo

Can do most kcing

[meager flame]

at least they're coming out with a new raid and a new boss though

reading them talk about sailing and their client makes me think they're fried

so at least something positive is coming lmao

[restive sapphire]

waiting for the day they describe new content "for people who can readily beat inferno" and it's not cosmetic

[meager flame]

i mean they could probably say that now and it wouldn't be what you mean

just because theres actually a good cheese method for the inferno now

[harsh herald]

I honestly wouldn't mind if they slowed down on content for a month or two

[tacit wharf]

dont let some people hear u say that

[harsh herald]

Just work out some player suggested fixes

[chrome lantern]

I want them to actually figure out what makes sense before pushing out v12 of delve blog etc.

Address things they said they'll address long ago

Like Shadow was a year ago now they said they would talk about it

[tacit wharf]

and didnt someone put out a simple fix for shadow as well

[meager flame]

if you guys want to know a secret that isn't so secret

open up the current bis for each reasonable attack style

and look at the dates each item was added

they're almost directly following on from the oldest with their next upgrade lol

so they'll likely be talking about the shadow soon

since theres a few really obvious magic items that are next up

[meager flame]

it'll be kinda interesting too because the shadow is in danger of not being good enough if they delay magic upgrades any longer

[austere mulch]

Not like we’re really getting any main game content till summer as is

Outside of cow boss

B2b temporary game modes is crazy work ngl

[ember token]

yeah slow down on what content lol

[austere mulch]

We don’t need a league and a dmm every year, just alternate the two of them annually and put more effort to main game releases or… idk, not shelving the API

[ember grove]

we're "slowing down" on content for 6 months

the only thing we're seemingly getting is cow boss, everything else is a temp game mode, desperately trying to fix sailing combat, or as-yet unstated qol

[quiet plank]

did they shelf the API?

where'd they say that

[ember token]

in the overview blog

[quiet plank]

wth

aint no way rs3 is getting an official API and they shelved the project for old school

[zenith pike]

death

[clear forge]

Somthing need done with barbarian assault the mini game is absolutely dead. How is it a required diary task when its dam near impossible anymore.

[ember token]

if you cant find other players then you're on the wrong world

[clear forge]

one barb world has 0 people here and the other has 20 people lol

[ember token]

well there you go

[sacred oracle]

Are you unable to find players in the wave 1 room on w306? That's the BA world.

20 is more than enough

[clear forge]

im in 306 but outta 20 people you got 12 wanting to do certain rolls and not others lol

[ember token]

20 in the lobby + who knows how many currently midgame

[clear forge]

mid game ima say 10 lol

i remember when this place was hopping now its terriblee 🙁

[sacred oracle]

If all else fails, just make your own team as scroller with the role that you want to do, and invite people to join you

I wouldn't be surprised if it's fallen off a bit in popularity. Torso isn't as important an upgrade as it used to be.

It's never been easier to make gp, and blood moon chest exists now

[clear forge]

i completely agree.

[vivid ruin]

Yeah the price of 1 gp isnt as much as it used to be 😢

[clear forge]

i just need lvl 5 rolls 🙁 thats all i ask for lol

[vivid ruin]

I noticed sometimes i go there and its dead, sometimes its hella busy. Could just be because monday

[kind surge]

that's sad tbh

crazy that hd is more priority

[chrome lantern]

fr

[round lintel]

Anyone, did you know if you prep for 4 kills (the max) at Duke, use it to kill Duke once, you can prep for 4 kills again, so you have 7 kills stacked, repeat... 10 stack, etc?

I just found out

[jagged marsh]

This is what I like to see

[wet smelt]

what do you pray vs fossil island wyverns?

[jagged marsh]

Ranged I think

[chrome lantern]

[[Stop the wyvern]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Slayer_Rewards

[tacit wharf]

meele

[narrow folio]

new tech

[round lintel]

hahaha Genuely dont know if anybody knew this

ive been doing 4 kills at the time

and by the 4th kill using a super combat to repot

just for 1 kill

now i have 5 kills stacked

[narrow folio]

see how far you can take it

[round lintel]

20 potions then i got bored

so enough for 10 kills

[winged mantle]

Dam if only I wasn't greenlogged. I'll save this for a future bingo

Please no fix

[meager flame]

lmao this is so cooked it genuinely annoys me every time i remember

[chrome lantern]

Not really anything to fix? It’s always how it worked

[round lintel]

Nice

[round lintel]

to be honest if it wasnt cuz i made a mistake

I swear i would spawn the mushrooms until you have used them all

[chrome lantern]

They respawn every kill

[round lintel]

I know now

I meant if it wasnt cuz i personally made a mistake I dont think id ever known this fact

looks like i got the kill

not a collection log

so god knows what i got dxd

[cyan garnet]

How will the agility relic work for shortcuts that have a high agility requirement while us being low agility? Even though we will be able to attempt the shortcut, won’t we have a super high fail % if our actual level is way below the requirement?

[round lintel]

what game mode?\

[cyan garnet]

Dmm

By relic I mean sigil

[round lintel]

My luck is dog poop

[analog crow]

This times 10 is me at vard

[winged mantle]

Yeah but they only want you to be able to have 4 kills worth of pots max

Like how it would delete extra resources to wake duke after you start the fight (except the pots)

[weary stag]

Delete this before a jmod sees xD

[chrome lantern]

I was not aware it did that but ok

[winged mantle]

your mushrooms and salt gets removed from your invent once you wake duke

[analog crow]

Yeah but you don’t save time over just using your pots up first surely

[hasty shard]

so you mean to say i can do duke the way i want again

wait nvm

no i dont

[meager flame]

Tbh they should just fix the boss being annoying for no reason rather than trying to fix that

I don’t really think there’s a good reason for them to police how people prep lol

[round lintel]

it doesnt

after qol update none gets removed

[winged mantle]

oooo

[round lintel]

but im pretty sure mushrooms wouldnt spawn until you have used them all

[winged mantle]

the salt?

[round lintel]

the salt has always been able to be kept inside after they made the QOL

[winged mantle]

interesting

that's so good then

[true talon]

Part of the sweep up should be to sweep away ingots for good off the drop tables and make them a craftable resource only.

[chrome lantern]

Nope! Just delete them entirely like they should’ve done originally

Replace with alch value gp or whatever they’re at

They don’t provide any meaningful value

Never did

Adding crafting of them was dumb

[true talon]

i think the crafting aspect was fine. the problem was them being on the table.

if it had released as you making the ingots yourself, it would have been much better

[chrome lantern]

I don't really agree

[true talon]

I mean why not? its more thematic

[chrome lantern]

It should just be a skill level check at most

[true talon]

you get a powerful drop an then you use your skills to craft the metal to attach it to the drop to make a bis

[chrome lantern]

Eh it doesn't really add any value

[true talon]

it added a 40 rune ore + 40 addy ore sink ontop of it

[chrome lantern]

Why is that a good thing

[true talon]

because thats less GP flooding the game

[chrome lantern]

It's not though, because the only people that ever make ingots are ironmen

[true talon]

ya because mains can buy them

but if mains had to craft them

[minor whale]

It wouldn't even make a dent in the daily rune ore/addy ore market

It wouldn't really affect gp at all

[true talon]

anything is better than them being on the drop table

[chrome lantern]

I would still contend that "nothing" aka not having them at all is far preferable

[minor whale]

Every day there's ~1500 vestiges being traded back and forth, 120 of each ore per is 180k ore per day in vestiges (assuming each one is a new vestige)

The daily volume of rune ore is 4 million, and 12 million addy ore

I don't think ingots are that bad of a drop personally

It's just "thing to make rings with on top of just the vestige" to have on the drop table

[chrome lantern]

It's a drop that is statistically impossible to hold long-term value on mains and literally only exists to screw ironmen

Which is why crafting was a worse answer than just deleting them altogether, because it still serves only to screw over ironmen

[minor whale]

And that's fine
It doesn't have to hold long term value on mains to still be an item that exists for a reason, while being something that irons need to get to craft
Early on release they were worth more than the average drop on the table of the bosses, and having an item be a wealth transfer mechanism for the early stages of a boss release is fine

[true talon]

DT2 bosses woulda been way way better if there was no awakener orbs and no ingots

[chrome lantern]

Nah a boss definitely shouldn't design a major drop mechanic for short-term, immediately-after-release gains

[unborn parcel]

anyone know if single breaches are still gonna be possible with immunity?

[round lintel]

To be honest I hate ingots, I love if they werent part of the unique table but instead regular loot.

[zenith pike]

dt2 went full anti-spoon on their table

[analog crow]

I love getting 300 lavas from vard

[zenith pike]

lmao

best thing about the bosses

was people getting fucked with bronze chainbodies

[analog crow]

Got a few of those from duke

But he made it up to me with 7x d platelegs drops

[hard axle]

I mentioned this before, but I feel like the best way to sink a ton of resource is to do what older mmos did

New BIS? Rare Boss Drop (Useable when dropped) + Component from Older BIS (for more stats) + a fuck ton of common resources (10k runite bar for torva)

imagine if each masori required 1000 of each dhide

[thick beacon]

I like the idea of that to an extent, in case of irons themselves they feel obligated to not do low lvl content at all

think the idea of frost dragons for ship building was rough for people

ppl felt crappy having to kill demons for contracts. tureal as well even if its kinda cool imo a lot of ppl dont want to revist bottom stuff as a iron.

[tacit pendant]

Left this server for like a year. Tass pushing for orbs to be removed. Some things never change

I never understood why duke prep wasnt like nex kc

If you want to risk dying and losing 1000 mushrooms be my guest

I'm curious if anyone here has calced potential places where tbow/venator/scobo overtakes current meta weapons with new arrows

Really hoping raids 4 gets an upgrade to fero gloves, its all i can think of for melee and the main places I see tbow becoming stronger is like tob

[austere mulch]

Maiden, all of Colo but furries and something else that you venator anyways, 2nd place at arraxor and cerb, beats shadow at zily (this is fine), some other stuff but that’s off the top of my head

And bp becomes equal to scythe at xarp

[tacit pendant]

Thanks man

[hard axle]

@tacit pendant

[tacit pendant]

And yeah tbow should kick zillys ass

Gangster, this is why i came back here, reddits got nothing

[balmy widget]

Please no

[tacit pendant]

It wasnt intentional but i just swapped from a scythe+shadow setup to scythe tbow the day before the summit and feeling great

[balmy widget]

We dont need a pair of gloves with 3 different “upgrade” points

[tacit pendant]

But like why

Thats fair enough

[balmy widget]

They already upgrade from barrows

[tacit pendant]

Standalone fine i didnt necessarily mean an attachment just like, better than feros

Feros will always have a place being 10 mil

[balmy widget]

If they did a standalone item it would have to have high reqs or a prequest req

[tacit pendant]

Like wgs for example

[balmy widget]

Or it would make feros gloves useless as its locked behind ds2

[hard axle]

upgrade points are fine

[tacit pendant]

Ds2 isnt a big ask though

[hard axle]

it's how u prevent items from becoming worthless

[tacit pendant]

I dont really care if upgrade or not tbh

[balmy widget]

Wgs isnt either

[tacit pendant]

The sentiment was literally just, bis melee gloves sound like a good idea

[hard axle]

If they did a standalone item it would have to have high reqs or a prequest req

I'm gonna be honest with you, this never works in practice

beyond the 2nd or 3rd replacement

played games with 5-10 gear resets and the gear beforehand either becomes instantly worthless

or it becomes gradually worthless if you don't make it a material

I'd rather they make the upgrade not 1/5k and instead 1/1k, but adds onto existing gear

[balmy widget]

Theres pros and cons to both side

[tacit pendant]

If a new bis melee glove is 100m, feros will hold value

[balmy widget]

Personally i’d rather not have to obtain 10 seperate gear items just to make one

[balmy widget]

Only if they are used as an upgrade tho

[tacit pendant]

Not really

[balmy widget]

But upgrading everything becomes a problem when u need 10 items

[tacit pendant]

A lot of mains dont have bis

[balmy widget]

If the pre req is wgs

[hard axle]

And there's more cons to your situation because we've tried that several times - We have to worry about rates being balanced properly or one becomes too easy to get

[balmy widget]

Wgs is 100x easier than dt2 to finish

[hard axle]

We have to worry about power and use cases being appropriate

Ayak vs Sang is a key example of this

[tacit pendant]

I dont think EITHER wgs or ds2 is going to be a huge factor for mains looking for a +2 str upgrade

[hard axle]

Where Ayak just blows Sang out the water as a standalone item

[balmy widget]

My point is that a new bis would completely devalue fero gloves

[tacit pendant]

Sang needs more healing and atleast it would have a little bit of cheese use

[balmy widget]

If you can get bis with less work completing wgs than doing rfd and ds2

Why would u do those for feros gloves at that point

[tacit pendant]

I mean plenty of mains run around in spider boots over treads

[hard axle]

which he solves that by saying to add it on top

[tacit pendant]

But honestly i dont care if they are an attachment or not lol

[hard axle]

I think it's fine and the best solution for a game that still has a large playerbase that cares about price points

[balmy widget]

Or stick to the bis we already have

[hard axle]

then we can't upgrade shit

[balmy widget]

Why do we need another melee upgrade for glove

[tacit pendant]

Like idk why its a talking point

[hard axle]

because feros is from like 2018-2019?

[tacit pendant]

I mean ranged is getting creep

And catching up to melee at some of tob

Gloves to me were the most sensible upgrade slot

[hard axle]

ranged got ALL slots crept or getting crept

I don't see the issue

cape, necklace (soon), armor, feet, ring, gloves

and even ammo (soon)

[tacit pendant]

Melee ammo with str bonus lol

[hard axle]

it's why jagex is making pursuit from anguish

[tough nacelle]

Ngl if sang was cheap or almost free to use

[tacit pendant]

Mage is crept to shit also. Fang kit is a cakewalk in max

[tough nacelle]

It would have a use

[hard axle]

they know it's a REALLY good mechanic to maintain value

[hard axle]

nah, dps is still lacking ngl

even with conf

[tough nacelle]

Oh yeah

[hard axle]

ayak attack speed is just too juiced

[tough nacelle]

It would just be a bit more useful in that you could use it in weird places

[meager flame]

Ya sang is garbage it’s over

[tough nacelle]

It would never be used where dps matters

[tacit pendant]

The healing is nice. If it got buffed a bit, it could be similar to a blood fury switch for mage

[tough nacelle]

But I mean as a slight benefit over trident

[meager flame]

Dps is like just about the only thing that ever matters in osrs

[tough nacelle]

Because at the moment Ayak is super easy to get

[meager flame]

It is what it is

[tacit pendant]

I kinda wanna see more spell upgrades (not in arceuss sb)

[tough nacelle]

I’m just thinking more afk style content

Sang is probably always going to be dead

[tacit pendant]

A vengeance upgrade that also reduces damage on your veng hit (sorry pvp)

Idk

[balmy widget]

Should just add invention

[hard axle]

fuse Sang with Ayak to give Ayak some healing and it'll actually content with Shadow in terms of use

[balmy widget]

Fixes all problems ez game

[tough nacelle]

That would be way too strong lol

[meager flame]

The funny thing is that magic as a whole is in danger of not being good enough already

[tough nacelle]

Ayak is already cracked

[tacit pendant]

Just buff sangs healing and give it a max hit

[hard axle]

or just incorporate it into smithing, crafting, rc

[tough nacelle]

Sorry- let me rephrase

[hard axle]

you know

existing skills

[tough nacelle]

Confliction gauntlets are cracked

[balmy widget]

Why existing skill

[tacit pendant]

We do need mage bosses

[meager flame]

Tbow after the blood moon quest is already on the heels of shadow in toa again

[balmy widget]

New skills are better

[tacit pendant]

I mean sailing is not quite there yet lolol

Smithing could actually just use inventions ideas though

Already does actually

[tough nacelle]

Sailing is already more developed than most osrs skills

[tacit pendant]

Agreed

[meager flame]

Jagex also seems determined to make bp rise again

Because they didn’t fix the real problem lol

[tacit pendant]

Existing skills need some love. Hunter finally feels a bit better

[hard axle]

new skills are not better if they just function the same as existing skills

if u enjoy skilling that much, go 200m

[meager flame]

I can tell you it’s gonna be a slow week after the blood moon quest though lol making all of those new arrows

[dawn jackal]

rumors are cool, at the top end they have some bad balance of input to xp but very few people care to get top end xp (240-250k) from rumors

so overall whatever

[hard axle]

it's like, what's the point of asking for slayer 2 to do the same as slayer 1

smithing breaks down melee gear and rebuilds broken gear

makes sense

crafting the same but for light armor

[meager flame]

Sailing is only more developed with training methods kind of

[hard axle]

sailing is still not great

[meager flame]

The rewards are fucking cooked though so they’re gonna stick with sailing updates for like 2 years

[tacit pendant]

Smithing and crafting feel obvious for a rework, every player designed island has a new ironman crafting idea lol

[dawn jackal]

smithing has 3 very viable training methods, i think mostly with skilling at this point the issues are with outputs not how you train them

[tacit pendant]

Sailing needs better rewards that impact the game. Even firemaking has fucking tome of fire lol

[balmy widget]

Damn bro u know everything

[hard axle]

I like Giant's Foundry more than Blast Furnace

[tacit pendant]

Gold smithing to 99 being so insanely meta is dumb for smithing.

I figured sailing would give us tome of winds

[dawn jackal]

and yet the majority of people don't do BF to 99

[meager flame]

I think stuff like gold ore or mahogany tables etc make those skills a bit more tolerable

[dawn jackal]

so i'm not sure why it matters

[meager flame]

Gameplay isn’t good but the exp rates get you out of there

[tacit pendant]

Is that true? I do blast furnace but on the two accounts ive done alot of smithing xp on it was BF gold

Iron and main, and BF is always popping

[balmy widget]

Giant foundry for set then afk pl8s is my go to

Bf is fast but money sync and boring

[meager flame]

I mean I did a lot of gold ore on my iron and bf to 99 on my main

[dawn jackal]

most people do bar smithing to 99

well

[meager flame]

I don’t mind foundry but it’s too fast to not do gold ore

[tacit wharf]

?

[tacit pendant]

Making the npcs work blast furnace was a mistake

[dawn jackal]

more people do bar smithing to 99 than bf im sure of that

[tacit wharf]

i did foundry

[meager flame]

Idk why anyone would own themselves doing bars

[tacit pendant]

Bars bad

[dawn jackal]

its afk and decently fast

[tacit pendant]

Jagex could maybe post daily global xp from diff sources

[dawn jackal]

if a method is afk that's what people do, broadly speaking

[tacit pendant]

Bar smithing isnt that afk unless 1 bar. And then its super slow

[dawn jackal]

there's anecdotes to the contrary always but the larger player base trains via the afk method

[meager flame]

Idk the bf worlds are going hard at all hours

[balmy widget]

Bars is also a common method cus you dont need membership to do it at a higher end

[meager flame]

I think more people are using it than you might realize lol

[balmy widget]

Ik people doing 200m smith with afk bars in varrock west bank

[dawn jackal]

i'm sure plenty use BF there's a lotta people who play this game

[balmy widget]

Yeah absolutely they do

[dawn jackal]

i've used / will use BF for all of my smithing xp

but again, not the most common training method

[tacit wharf]

would argue iit is

2nd being foundry

[dawn jackal]

whatever is meta is not really relevant to the larger playerbase

[tacit wharf]

lastly bars

[tacit pendant]

BF should have just been high bars per hour. Not meta xp. From my own circles its bf then foundry then bars

[tacit wharf]

swopping bf/foundry for irons

[pastel horizon]

What is "Bars" just smithing bars at a furnace?

[tacit pendant]

Foundry is also pretty neat as an activity, def the best designed of the methods. I'd just like for something like that, to be bis over gold ore

Bars is hammering out shit at an anvil

[balmy widget]

Yeah

[tacit pendant]

Anvil is a better descriptor

[balmy widget]

Afking platebodies with best bar you can use typically

[tacit wharf]

anvil

[tacit pendant]

I think if it was polled most people would vote smithing for a rework

And if people like some shit from invention, not the worst idea to bring SOME inspiration from there

[dawn jackal]

the outputs should almost certainly be adjusted

[balmy widget]

The trade off with gold though is the money loss

[dawn jackal]

the training methods are varied and good!

[balmy widget]

Other methods you dont really lose money or nearly as much

[tacit wharf]

foundry u make money

[tacit pendant]

Money spent to 99, is like under 5 mil. Its an hour of pvm

[tacit wharf]

except for using rune where its close, i think

[narrow folio]

Giants foundry, plates, dart tips, blast furnace, think the training methods arent that bad

[tacit pendant]

The time loss doing other methods for the cost isnt balanced in my opinion

[dawn jackal]

i think you undervalue what the average player thinks about any method losing money vs making money

despite what logic would tell you

that you can make oodles of money quickly and saving hours on training the skill is an overall time saver

[hard axle]

hear me out

we add a new tier of GF contracts

[tacit pendant]

I mean, its just like all so irrelevant, addy darts to 99 is like 10mil profit

Smithing is irrelevant as fuck. The player that doesnt wanna spend 5m on a 99 just isnt training smithing past like 80 anyways

[hard axle]

yeah, that's why I want them to add more higher tier quest requirements

I think the highest for master clue is 87

but that's entirely optional

whatever runite helm is minus boosts

[dawn jackal]

for sure, just trying to keep a pulse on the fella watching a theoatrix guide for example

despite any logic you cannot convince some people to spend extra money on a skill. see: mahogany homes

[tacit pendant]

For sure. But at low levels gold smithing is even more appealing. Because bars before addy are ass and gold is sooooo fast

[hard axle]

For a 13 year old game, it really doesn't encourage you to level past 70s beyond optional grinds

[meager flame]

Tbh I can’t believe they’re trying to add another barracuda trial

Like how about we add rewards to sailing guys

[tacit pendant]

Like "oh i can do all these quest and its just one afternoon of blast furnace" ok

[meager flame]

I think we beat the training methods angle to death already

[tacit pendant]

Yeah sailing needs output. Plenty of skills go in but get no benefit

[dawn jackal]

i don't mind it, doing the same course from 72-99 is a bit of a bad feeling

[tacit pendant]

I guess the new fish are bis

[meager flame]

Let’s get reasons to train now lmao

[dawn jackal]

but also i agree it's not a priority

[tacit pendant]

My main has next to no reason to train sailing

Rosewood pipe is a qol for irons though

The new fish are bis

[hard axle]

u dont have to go beyond 45

for pvm

[idle rapids]

moonlight antelope still heal more

[kind surge]

not really

[idle rapids]

so thats debatable

[meager flame]

I mean they’re minor upgrades but it doesn’t even really matter

[idle rapids]

halibut are definitely bis combo food though

but marlin only kinda bis

[meager flame]

It’s kinda sad that they’re the only good things from sailing

Like they could’ve just made a fishing spot lol it needs so much more

[tacit pendant]

I mean i said qol. The pipes are. Good spec weapon at doom, and dont need to change darts for tagging mobs

And the new fish are ugly looking in inventory

Which to me is important cuz you look at inv a lot

[idle rapids]

I'll eat a fossilized dung if its bis

[kind surge]

most irons will just use chally, and you can just use the lower tier bps for tagging slayer mobs

rosewood bp itself is dead content

[sacred oracle]

There's a plugin that some people say helps with that: https://runelite.net/plugin-hub/show/food-coloring

[tacit pendant]

Have you done doom? If you are fast enough in later waves you might not even see melee punishes enough to use up specs??

[kind surge]

it just needs to be able to use rune darts

[sacred oracle]

You can search for it and install it in RuneLite in its plugin hub.

[tacit pendant]

Nice now make it official!

[obsidian venture]

@balmy widget this is very random, but did someone in game mention “Fuji on Fuji violence” in the last 2 weeks

[idle rapids]

might as well be official when everyone who plays the game uses runelite

[kind surge]

I'm not gonna lie, zulrah grind for tbp seems easier

and that one heals you on spec too

[tacit pendant]

If you gonna max sailing, its literally free

[kind surge]

most won't max

[meager flame]

Yeah but you’re still getting a real bp either way

And the scale usage doesn’t even matter on an iron

[tacit pendant]

It's not a zcb, but real blowpipe specs arent super good there

[meager flame]

I don’t mean for doom I just mean in general

[tacit pendant]

Its just a qol. I feel that i labeled it spot on given the uses. Its not great. Not a fan really haha

[meager flame]

So the other bps are like weird niche things that you can just ignore if you’d like

[kind surge]

camphor/ironwood bps are the qol

[tacit pendant]

And the other ones that arent rosewood are straight up useless

[kind surge]

rosewood has too high reqs to be useful

[tacit pendant]

Yeah idk what theyre doing in general

And hopper/foley

Its all so conservative in design

[meager flame]

The hopper is disaster game design

[tacit pendant]

"We wouldnt want people to feel like they HAVE to sail" is the only explanation in their line of thinking

[meager flame]

Those dudes were putting an item there regardless of a niche existing or not

I actually think they’ll buff it somehow lol

[tacit pendant]

Feels like a safety net for if sailing was truly unanimously hated

[meager flame]

They’re doing that stuff a lot though

Like that cow boss and its rewards

I’m not even mad but like

It’s slop honestly

[tacit pendant]

Cow boss is like early game slop. Could use less rewards

I dont mind it being added as a goofy pet grind to take friends trying the game out to

Amulet could just tp to several dif cow pens and have it drop bulk cowhide for irons getting unicows

[meager flame]

Yeah I’m not even mad at the boss or items but a lot of those items just don’t need to exist and they’re just filling out a quota or something

Like the milk bucket lol

[tacit pendant]

No offhand needed, no slippers, like literally just amulet, pet, supplies. Maybe have it give boosted xp slightly

Milk bucket is so weird

[dawn jackal]

it comes off a little as pandering to make a silly cow boss

but overall it's harmless i suppose

[tacit pendant]

If churning butter was like twice as much xp, the bucket could make for a dece 7 min afk

That dev time could have been a corp rework!! /s

Taking newbies to scurrius is fun im glad they are making the boss

[tacit wharf]

the dev time on this sounds like it was basically 0 needed

[balmy widget]

They just want to give content to everyone i feel

[tacit wharf]

most of it sound like it was during gam jam time

[balmy widget]

Which is awesome

[tacit pendant]

I do wish bmr was more in line with dt2 bosses

Multiple encounters that give niche weapons more uses, only 1-2 chase items per boss

So often its like "we need stab content, we need crush content, mage needs more bosses". But thats a huge ask and im bordering ungrateful in saying that

[narrow folio]

Is the hard mode cow just a flex? Any rewards?

[ember token]

the boss is gonna have a pet, so probably a higher pet chance

and probably a combat achievement too

[obsidian venture]

Imma guess no then to what I said above. Carry on

[signal hawk]

looking forward the title of the CA, my bets on "Don't have a cow"

[tacit wharf]

moo-fect instead of perfect kill

[restive siren]

Nah High Steaks for sure

[signal hawk]

ooooh that's a good one!

[restive siren]

also not sure if itll even get a CA tbh

[signal hawk]

Honestly it'll be interesting if there will be multiple CAs. Just to confirm Jagex did say on stream it would be significantly more difficult fighing the hard mode version

like awakened dt2 level difficulty right?

[tacit wharf]

yes

[restive siren]

they said hardest boss in the game

[signal hawk]

Honestly I took that as a joke but who knows with jagex

[restive siren]

i dont think it was

[ember token]

the boss is getting CAs so I don't see why they wouldnt add one for defeating the hard difficulty

[restive siren]

boaty talked about it

[signal hawk]

"lard mode"

[signal hawk]

was that on the summit stream?

[quiet plank]

Hard mode cow is gonna be funny as hell cuz I probably won't be able to do it

[restive siren]

well from how they talked about it it seems more of a meme but possible either way

[restive siren]

nah his own stream

he basically said it looks to be something like flicking enrage leviathan while also moving every tick

if that is true, i dont think it gets a CA

thats just outside of the scope of gm

[ember token]

we'll see

[balmy widget]

Oh not that i know of

Sorry completely missed that somehow

[obsidian venture]

No worries

[signal hawk]

Maybe it gets its own dairy... I mean diary tier

[narrow folio]

That type of thing does sound way too hard for a ca lol

[obsidian venture]

I’m Fuji and I pked a Fuji

So it was kinda funny

[narrow folio]

It can stay as a funny meme challenge

[hard axle]

this is the same reason why GM CAs leave out actual challenges and clog hasn't been complete since its release, but getting worse and worse

[obsidian venture]

Awakened whisperer kinda had that from 25-35%

And enraged

Which I liked. But it was a slog of a fight

[hard axle]

2 people did 500 toa before fang kit, a couple thousand after fang kit + invo nerf, likely 10k+ after CAs + fang kit

give people a reason to do shit and they will

[narrow folio]

Ehh captain said awakened levi enrage but moving every tick, while whisperer was way easier

[hard axle]

eh, moving every tick aint accurate

it's every 2t

[obsidian venture]

You legit click far and gg

[hard axle]

learning awakened levi made doom a lot easier honestly

[raven topaz]

Can there be a cow speed run challenge on day one

[hard axle]

part of me wanted them to add a CA where you had to do the 100 pizza yama challenge

or a worm/shard contract

[balmy widget]

Interesting

Ive ran into a couple other fujis

[obsidian venture]

[balmy widget]

Whats ur rsn if u dont mind me asking 😄

[obsidian venture]

Fujino Ayumu

[balmy widget]

Ohhh

I remember u from wdr 😄

[obsidian venture]

Yessir

[meager flame]

i still want them to stop being cowards and add radiant to gm

i swear idk if i've talked to anyone that actually disagrees with it being on gm that isn't a hardcore lol

[narrow folio]

From what I hear its easier than blorva and blorvas on there

[hard axle]

fucking please

[meager flame]

i think they were scared it was just not going to work so they didnt want to add it

[hard axle]

holy fuckery

dude

they need to stfu

[meager flame]

but they fixed them until they worked we have guides

its not that hard now

[hard axle]

and stop balancing around limited accounts

it's fucking GM

not masters

add fucking solo tob to this shit too

and the 100 pizza challenge

GM already isnt made for the average joe

[meager flame]

the weird thing to me is that like

allowing some types of accounts to try to get gm i think is fine but that's also space to design some kind of interesting alternative for them to be able to participate

[hard axle]

same reason why i hate when mfers argue against BH uniques, blorva, and radiant being added to clog

[meager flame]

rather than just removing things because it doesn't immediately work for them

[hard axle]

full clog completion is not catered to average joe, so make it complete

[meager flame]

lmao its funny bc its a chance to make the game even more interesting but instead they make it less interesting for everyone

[hard axle]

add the individual yama contracts to the clog too

all 11

[hard axle]

yah, like

like I said above, people will grind stuff out if u give them a reason

u can add 6 jad transmog and zuk helm to clog

and people will go for GM

[meager flame]

idk if they even really think it through im sure they might see a challenge or whatever that requires someone to have 60 def and they just go

oh that wont work lets just remove it

[hard axle]

add skillcapes to clog and people will max for clog

[balmy widget]

💯

Makes no sense not to be on log

[meager flame]

when in reality they should be like that's a good idea but it doesn't work for these guys so what can we make for them to be able to still play if they make the effort

[hard axle]

I really regret being against gemstone crab not having a pet

because now I want it on there

[meager flame]

bc that situation doesn't even happen that often

[ember token]

people already max for clog because you want the max cape for clue scrolls

[meager flame]

theres already usually some workaround in the game for people as is

it shouldn't require that much work from them to come up with the occasional interesting addition to make things possible

[hard axle]

clue scrolls are another good case - we have 3a shit on clog

which takes infinitely more time than inferno, quiver, blorva, radiant

even oathplate contract

so stupid man

[meager flame]

like raids 4 is the most obvious incoming addition that will have some weird stuff going on

wgs is a lot of quest reqs that might not be possible so its a prime candidate for an alternative method of getting into the archive

might be hard but it would be more interesting to have it

rather than just axing quest reqs etc

it would even fit thematically

[hard axle]

I wouldn't mind this as long as it was sufficient

I just hate the outright removal

I've jokingly said 99 agility, but even 90 agility would be good

[meager flame]

maybe you've gotta go do some interesting stuff for a mahjarrat to get in instead

stuff like that

since theres multiple factions

[hard axle]

[austere mulch]

Just get rid of all the bloat checklist tasks for gm and replace it with actual hard achievements

[hard axle]

idm the bloat checklist, but i do mind them not adding hard tasks

because they're scared

[austere mulch]

It’d take less time to do radiant than 100 corp

[meager flame]

the bloat stuff is interesting because like

[hard axle]

u should be expected to know the content

[meager flame]

basically thats all that most people interact with when it comes to CAs

[hard axle]

I just pick up a 1.2s save for wisp speed task, which is huge

[meager flame]

so it would be kind of hard to remove a lot of like the kc tasks

[obsidian venture]

Gm legit means nothing unless you want to send fc/inf speeds

[hard axle]

ye or pet hunt

[austere mulch]

The slayer helm was cool for the first like 3 months

[obsidian venture]

Seen too many bad pvmers that have it and it’s truly tragic

[meager flame]

even though personally i'd just remove a lot of stuff from CAs probably

and let people get through the earlier tiers faster

[obsidian venture]

There’s so many random ass stuff that shouldn’t be on there

And plenty of gm tasks that aren’t harder than elite

[hard axle]

^

yep

[ember token]

what rewards does GM even give atm, I can only think of reduced GWD KC, zuk helm, and infinite mor ul rek teles

[meager flame]

its just a flex basically

[hard axle]

very minor pet hunter perks

that's it

they moved all generic pvm benefits down to masters/elite

[meager flame]

the real rewards are elite/master which i guess makes sense

master is about where you're gonna end up if you just actually do most pvm in the game

maybe not quite all of it but pretty close

[restive sapphire]

the gwd kc is too lit

[obsidian venture]

You can still skip capes and get masters

It’s just bizarre progression wise

[meager flame]

i wish i could adjust the tiers slightly

just so i could make sure people actually go in and do like the minimum at each boss and then do a bunch of the more interesting CAs for most of them

to hit master

i think its weird that you can sort of skip a piece of content or two

like for example

you probably shouldn't be able to get the verzik helm never having gotten a kc at tob

[obsidian venture]

Ye

Shouldn’t have masters with cheese on the back

imo

[meager flame]

yeah i'd just have like cap stone tasks or something idk what i'd really call them

that you just have to do as a hard req at each tier

regardless of your points

they wouldn't even be anything crazy it would just be like

you have to get an infernal cape

or you have to clear tob once at least

etc

most people would probably have them anyways

[hard axle]

turkey spitting facts

[ember token]

i'm masters with quiver but no inferno cape

[hard axle]

either or

i can't wait for mage inferno

make it melee for mage cape

[meager flame]

lmao i swear scythe would hit 5b

if they do that

[tacit pendant]

Hard mode cow drops ancestral cowprint kit

[meager flame]

also i just realized if they do a spec weapon what it will probably be randomly

because of the raids theme

its gonna be a guthix godsword lol

no idea what it would do but it just seems too easy now that i think of it

[tacit pendant]

Staff of armadyl as a mage spec weapon (we dont really have great mage spec weapons)

[meager flame]

i assume thats from the rotm quest equivalent

[tacit pendant]

True

[meager flame]

or something like it anyways since that's where we got storm of armadyl originally

[tacit pendant]

I mean claws didnt come from cox orig

[meager flame]

ya its just because of the lore around the staff and lucien mostly

[tacit pendant]

Yeah agree

[ember token]

dclaws are a more generic weapon

[tacit pendant]

Id love a mage spec weapon

Whisperer gets boring just popping accursed/ayak at start

[meager flame]

the only thing about the godsword would be explaining why they were making that hilt but it never made it to gwd

or maybe we'd be forging it on the spot somehow

that would probably make more sense

[ember token]

the question is more why would there be a guthixian hilt in the first place

[meager flame]

ya thats what i mean

it would probably make more sense as something we were doing in the present time after seeing the others

rather than already being a hilt that just drops that exists for some weird reason

idk what it would actually do though

i guess you could steal balanced strike from rs3 and watch people accidentally troll themselves

or it just doing a crazy amount of damage if you were low hp

[ember token]

you could come up with any number of ideas themed around balance tbh

[meager flame]

the interesting part of balanced strike if that were a spec in this game

is that it wouldn't matter what gear you were wearing

because it either heals or hurts you and heals or hurts the target based on the hp % difference

so you'd be able to just use that spec in any gear

idk if that would be too good or just a good utility option at all times

[minor whale]

A mage dps spec weapon would go hard

It would be realistically the first of its kind
The Eldritch and Volatile are more ko weapons instead of dps

Or they could expand the "shield with spec effects" niche

Like dfs

[zinc galleon]

The people who tham scepter spec me in wildy so i have to prematurely restore 🤬

[tacit pendant]

Even if it was a mage spec weapon that wasnt good in pvp, like burn damage. It feels like very obvious reward space rn

[hard axle]

what i would do

for a red keris style spec outside of toa

even with the 8t bullshit

[tacit pendant]

On that note make horn work for claws

[minor whale]

Brother
A long distance spec that does no damage but increases damage taken by the target hit for ~12 ticks would go so incredibly hard

Make it only apply once per target just to make sure it can't be abused somewhere Jagex won't think of

And bam send it

[hard axle]

and it would synergize with defense reduction, not take away

[tacit pendant]

Ironeye from nightreign has entered the chat

[hard axle]

red keris from toa has entered the chat

[tacit pendant]

Red keris always seemed cool but i never play in teams large enough to care to try using it

[hard axle]

make it 4t delay instead and it'll be better in duos+

[tacit pendant]

Its just insane to me that yellow keris is as good as it is and red is like niche at best

[hard axle]

as of rn, it doesn't get significantly better until the hp scaling goes down after 4+

6+ is the sweet spot

which sucks

cuz if it's not significantly better, people just play like solo and zcb

[final frigate]

also just not worth unless very coordinated cause people will lose ticks or pre zcb

[hard axle]

yep, u only use it at the start

for that reason

p1/core/zcb start

bow twice, then zcb type shit at zebak

[final frigate]

ye

[tacit pendant]

Im just imagining minimasses at nex shitting her down with red keris plus horn cheese lol

[narrow folio]

Would be a thing if it horn worked on all hitsplats but they nerfed it because of scythe

[hard axle]

not just scythe, just all multi-hit weapons

makes it easier to max

even dds would be nasty

chally, dclaws, bclaws

[tacit wharf]

go figure, go to smoke devils, start taggin them, and ever single one is 1/2 health and tagged by someone

[restive siren]

average

[tacit pendant]

Well the "logic" for dds and scythe and chally made sense kinda, only the first hitsplat is buffed, then they threw it out the window with claws

[tacit pendant]

Ggs that was me

[tacit wharf]

stop taggin all them when u only have 5 left

[narrow folio]

How about jagex makes the hp reset

[tacit wharf]

after x minutes, would be wonderful

[narrow folio]

Do that for abby demons too ty

[analog crow]

[narrow folio]

And whatever else

[analog crow]

1 minute out of combat should be reset

except for corp and whatever moldy old bosses

[tacit wharf]

ya even 2 mins

[austere mulch]

Not true. It never worked with scythe in that way because scythe has 3 accuracy rolls

It always only worked with the immediate next accuracy attempt

The only nerf it got was specifically for dragon/burning claw spec attack where it works only with the second attempt at accuracy (which only happens if you fail the first)

Which should be reverted 🤷‍♂️

[tacit pendant]

Run it back. Will they shaft the crimson bludgeon in the same way?

[narrow folio]

I think people were asking, they thought about it, then decided it would be the next roll rather than the entire next attsck

[austere mulch]

People asked all the way up until release with confirmation it’d work on the immediate next roll as described, realized it was bugged on release (horrendously bugged - claws were basically always hitting 0011), and then* silently fixed to only work on the second attempt if first attempt fails

And was only confirmed after people pointed out it still wasn’t working as intended

[tacit pendant]

It working with bludgeon would be peak jagex logic

But atleast horn wouldnt be in the bin as much

[austere mulch]

That said, there’s legit zero reason it shouldn’t work with first acc roll as it’d be by no means super busted and offer an alternative (though still notably worse) to zcb at places like nex and toa

[austere mulch]

Won’t be surprised 💀💀

[meager flame]

the only reason i dont really like red keris like stuff in osrs

is because we spend way too much of our time solo and usually items like that end up being a little weird to coordinate since people need to delay

or they just actually suck because the group size isn't right

[tacit pendant]

We're getting more and more group content, huey being DOA was a bummer

[austere mulch]

I like stuff like Keris and horn because it’s an interesting way to reward coordination that’s reasonably easy to balance

They just haven’t really delivered yet

[meager flame]

i also think that most of our group content actively punishes you for being the guy trying to support

since you just end up taking the L for mvp or whatever

the game tries really hard to make sure stuff like that doesn't feel good

idk why they dont do something about it

[austere mulch]

Yeah damage based mvp systems make that type of tool weird

But at least, teams that would be using it won’t be teams that care for mvp lol

Meaningless title as it is

[tacit pendant]

Fear of boosting and fear of bots hurts has its downsides in many ways

[meager flame]

i think its just jagex being kinda stupid because they didn't fully walk through the logic

like

[tacit pendant]

Unrelated give corp nex loot mech

[meager flame]

lets say we're trying to design a diverse and cooperative experience right

and not just 5 guys that are clones of each other doing the same thing

[ember token]

give us a corp quest that unlocks phosanis corp

[meager flame]

you really have to reward the group not the individual

[tacit pendant]

A large amount of players are already mad at the 2 minimum scale

[meager flame]

and at the end of the day

[tacit pendant]

They do have to get stuff to pass

[meager flame]

that does mean that theres a better player that got the same reward as the worse player in the group

but thats just how coop works in a healthy way

[tacit pendant]

I agree, and most teams split

[narrow folio]

Please make any kits from this raid solo to discourage boosting.

[austere mulch]

The toa special 🤣

[tacit pendant]

Imagine if you left a WDR kc and they calced your split on damage

[meager flame]

its just funny because jagex tries to like

[tacit pendant]

"Youve only seen 1 mvp in 20 kills this trip, your nex split has been reduced by 10%"

[meager flame]

slide in weird little individual focused things that can/sometimes do cause friction within the group thats supposed to be helping each other

idk why they feel like they should do stuff like that lol

like those guys that go terrorize 416 because they want mvp

its silly

[tacit pendant]

Irons could just have a mechanic where they need to do atleast 30-50% expected dps to be loot elig in team raids

[meager flame]

yeah there should be minimum contribution for sure

just so you know nobody is actually a carry afk or something

[tacit pendant]

Like, 3 man chambers, any irons need to have atleast 1/6 the teams dps

[meager flame]

but as long as people are reasonably in there and contributing

thats good enough

[tacit pendant]

Agreed

Hot take I LIKE raiding with my shitter friends that plank

Reacting to human stupidity is the ultimate skill check

[worldly rune]

can breaches in DMM spawn in hard to reach locations that require quest completions?
meaning would I need to rush some of those quests, as breaches seem like main way to earn points?

[true talon]

Everything you need to kill off task to get the sheets to make a single dragon sloop (even spooned as on rate is 17600 kills)

[vivid ruin]

Its nice that we can buy those in GE

[true talon]

yep you dont need to suffer like us grey helm noobs 🙁

however it will cost you a clean 300m or so

[hard axle]

just another funnel to med level players, this time to those that enjoy sailing

[true talon]

Frost dragons are pretty protected from bots atleast

[tacit pendant]

Not really long term no? Bots can salavage to the level req

We have rax bots and thats a longer grind in slayer

More protected by not being that great of money already

Why get high sailing when you can zombie pirate day 2 for same gp

[hasty jewel]

has there been any jmod comment on when shellbane gryphon CAs come out?

[restive siren]

not exactly but soon

[ember token]

they said the CAs will come with the polled gryphon task changes

[hasty jewel]

oh nice, ty

just got a gryphon task so guess I'll hold off on slayer until then

[restive siren]

task storage bis

[torpid delta]

just "ideally in the next few weeks" ye

[hasty jewel]

have one stored and one active lol

tyty

[restive siren]

think thats a bit overkill

[hasty jewel]

probably ye

[restive siren]

if you cant complete them in one task then actually fuck those cas

[hasty jewel]

yeah good point

[restive siren]

they should have stopped adding kc tasks 10 years ago

unfun bloat

[ember token]

there will be exciting tasks like kill the gryphon with belle's folly

and kill the gryphon without wearing the turtle shell the whole fight

[restive siren]

cant wait for the grandmaster ca to kill it with a salamander

[ember token]

i would be surprised if there was any gm tasks for it

maybe gm speed time to kill it in 10 seconds

[restive siren]

yeah highly unlikely

[ember token]

it will be a miracle if the boss gets a single interesting CA

[quiet plank]

a full CA rework/ cleanup would be cool

just remove all the lame tasks

and replace with fun ones

[oblique mesa]

What do you consider fun

I genuinely don't know what people want from CA's not trying to be obtuse

[ember token]

yeah i think CAs are ultimately fine

theyre just more often uninteresting than not

[icy relic]

gryphon should not have CAs

[chrome lantern]

Disgusting but I wouldn't be shocked. Another 15 minute thrall kill task I guess

[icy relic]

and it'll be like amoxliatl

with one bullshit speed CA

[meager flame]

if they do this they're terrible people lol

[chrome lantern]

I mean unironically that would be less bad than the Hueycoatl hide task

[meager flame]

its actually bad for the game on top of not being fun which i think they actually did realize after huey

[chrome lantern]

Because you can at least bypass weapon tasks with thralls

[meager flame]

because its basically jagex coming in and saying

okay everyone that isn't supposed to be here you've gotta kill the shit out of this boss for the unique or buy them so the noobs cant have them

[chrome lantern]

I mean I would say rather that they're claiming it's an achievement to kill the boss with those items, so it should really be "kill the boss with x weapon or worse"

Like there's no achievement in using a good weapon to kill a boss

[obsidian venture]

Wish gm times adjusted for powercreep

[chrome lantern]

Like good job, you used dragonbane on the dragon

[restive siren]

CAs would need a full rework but sadly that will never happen

[chrome lantern]

You used stab on KBD

[meager flame]

but it just creates a bunch of weird market pressures that really just shouldn't exist so they should steer clear if they think about it

but we'll see

[chrome lantern]

Something like "Budget Setup" at least makes some sense

[meager flame]

yeah if it was use this item or worse it would be fine because we'd just all take a rune spear or whatever and kill the boss in 35 seconds instead of 20

[chrome lantern]

"Kill Amoxliatl a bunch of times to get the thing designed specifically to kill Amoxliatl" isn't a good CA

[meager flame]

i had to get 400 kc to get that item

never forget

[chrome lantern]

On my GIM I did 200 boss and 750 naguas for em

On my reg iron I did a 15 minute thrall kill

[meager flame]

i thought about doing the thrall thing but i was in too deep

it was actually funny because its still a fast boss but like

imagine they did that on a boss that doesn't die instantly

[meager flame]

or is slayer task locked

[rare grotto]

Diary exists

Speaking of

Thralls deep diary when

[obsidian venture]

so true

[craggy wind]

😂😂😂😂😂

[narrow folio]

you sure showed em whats what with your temotlis

[chrome lantern]

I did triumph

[gritty lance]

Can we just get prayer book button resizing already like damn

[tacit wharf]

?

they are already quite big

[true talon]

have you tried prayer book filtering?

[gritty lance]

Yes but they don’t resize the same way magic book does

[tacit wharf]

because they are already 8 times the sizse

[gritty lance]

they are quite small and annoying on mobile compared them being 8x smaller than mage book filtered

[tacit wharf]

i mean not to be that guy, which im going to be, but aint that because this game is meant to be played on pc and not mobile

sure simple things but not skill intensive things like player flicking

[gritty lance]

even on pc they are smaller and scattered unlike the mage book filtered, whether its something you dont care about doesnt matter as you can simply choose to not click enable icon resize, but the fact the mage book has had this option since 2023 and the prayer book doesnt is insane

[tacit wharf]

because the mage book icons are small as hell, while the prayer book icons aint

[gritty lance]

move along

[tacit wharf]

ditto

[low cradle]

u chose to restrict urself by playing on mobile

give the pures raid 4 and ill grant ur wish

[graceful jungle]

Pures choose to play compromised builds but won’t accept compromised gameplay smh

[shadow wave]

Entering the lairs of Callisto, Venenatis and Vet'ion now requires completion of the Medium Wilderness Diary.

Entering the lairs of Artio, Spindel and Calvar'ion now requires completion of the Hard Wilderness Diary,

[tender harness]

Not enough
Should be hard and elite

[shadow wave]

Chests at the Rogues Castle now provide no loot without completion of the Medium Wilderness Diary.

[cyan garnet]

the dmm blog says completing quests earn points, but I cant find anywhere hm points each quest gives

[tender harness]

Requiring medium diary for anything is too low a bar it needs to be raised imo

[winter hearth]

Oo that's an artefact, quests don't give points in Annihilation because of changes to unlocks

[shadow wave]

Wildy Medium I'd say takes a good while longer than most Medium Diaries

[cyan garnet]

thx for confirming ❤️

[tender harness]

Wildy medium is fast

[glad solstice]

Sorry if this has already been asked, but a fish sack barrel that's equipped cannot be emptied via the new bank interface correct?

[weary stag]

Holyyyyyy those wildy changes are savage gggggggg

[tender harness]

Like being perfectly candid, unless they make the barrier to entry higher for things like rogues chest, wildy bosses. The botting problem wont change

[shadow wave]

Note that if you have a container in a 'locked' slot (meaning it isn't deposited when using the 'Deposit Inventory' button) then its contents will not be emptied when using the 'Empty Containers' button.

Hmm, this is quite a problem, effectively makes the feature useless in most cases as you usually have the container locked so you can dump the rest of the invy

Is there a single use case in the game where you wouldn't also be emptying a full invy at the same time

I suppose after a slayer task

[winter hearth]

Diary reqs make it far easier to spot patterns in mass-levelled bot/gold farms, they're still very useful for us behind the scenes and they do have an impact even if it might not be immediately outwardly obvious

[vagrant solstice]

im suprised the wildy changes are listed in other changes like an afterthought? not that I disagree or anything with the change, just seems odd that it wasn't polled or anything. Obviously its for bots maybe

[tender harness]

Im sure they do, its more of mediums feel like almost too low? For how lucrative some of this stuff can be

I actually love seeing diaries being used like this, but when my barrier to entry now is 60 strength of agility for wildy God wars task
And partial quest completion of between a rock
That isnt much of a barrier?

[brazen violet]

is there downtime today

[lament ridge]

Going off Goblin’s response that seems like the goal though? Relatively minor inconvenience for real players but will show clearer patterns for identifying bot farms even if it doesn’t actually hinder them much

[weary stag]

I bet vw prices are already on the moon xD

[shadow wave]

45 slayer is more of a barrier than you would think too

[mellow canopy]

For Deadman Annihilation starting at 17:00 UTC.
Is it London time? or just base UTC timezone?

[brazen violet]

is there downtime today?

[graceful jungle]

Honestly facts lol

[torn dew]

Could a Jmod shed some light on the Facility Bottle droprates for the different salvages please?

[weary stag]

think the facility bottle is gonna be a clog?

[tender harness]

Its really not though

[weary stag]

The blog mentions if there is ever downtime

[brazen violet]

so thats a no, kk

[graceful jungle]

You’ve lost touch with the common player

[gentle badge]

"yes, botting is an issue. No, we're not gonna fix it"