game-update

[nocturne solstice]

its just thats grubs are 1t so it feels like it or something

[tacit wharf]

should of brought an arrow switch if it was so annoying to loss

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[true talon]

i did, i switched to amyethst for the rest of my grind

[restive storm]

ace and i on the same side of anything is grazy business

[minor whale]

I'm very excited for the anguish upgrade and I'm so extremely happy it's not blanguish

[restive storm]

u know how out-of-pocket a take you need to have to make that happen?

[narrow folio]

tbow will max an 88 on wardens and will be behind ~4% from shadow

[restive storm]

for us with fewer brain cells can u elaborate how this matters?

[narrow folio]

could be closer or further depending on how min hit works

tbow will be like one more upgrade away from matching shadow in toa

[restive storm]

i havent done toa since like release

i z

[narrow folio]

if u ayak spec difference is around 8% tho

[restive sapphire]

surely once occult + mage cape upgrade comes in shadow reigns supreme again

[restive storm]

so long as it involves mage bank and the wilderness im down

[minor whale]

It never is worse, it's just closer now

[true talon]

wilderness located inferno fight.

[minor whale]

If you have to bring any mega to ToA it's Shadow

[true talon]

but once you enter its instanced

[narrow folio]

tbow will be practically the same as scythe on maiden

[restive storm]

you want your cape? you tank westham 😈

while fighting the boss

[narrow folio]

bp around 4% behind

[restive sapphire]

waiting for the next str upgrade very patiently

the +3 max hit threshold sheesh

[narrow folio]

if scythe is in oath setup, it loses to tbow at maiden by 1%

[obsidian venture]

LMAO

[final frigate]

tbow already hard beats shadow at zebak

[restive storm]

unironically, them including fights with mechanics more focused on pvp kinda stuff - i.e. freeze dd'ing one target while hitting another would probably go a long way for helping the noobies

[final frigate]

it'll be even bigger diff with the upgrades

shadow's only used at akkha and wardens really

[narrow folio]

very interesting way to push tbow further without a direct buff

[nocturne solstice]

Feels like highschool drama all over again tbh

[final frigate]

and tbow will be same ish on p3 with the changes

[restive storm]

is this rly a problem tho?

like do we actually care?

[final frigate]

well

[narrow folio]

all depends on how the min hit works

[final frigate]

i'd prefer if shadow was better in the shadow raid instead of being artificially limited (conf effect, 85 cap)

[dawn jackal]

yo you missed the pvp update boys

[zenith pike]

The thing about mains is that cost goes both ways, expensive to use also means expensive to get as a drop, and items that aren’t inherently propped up by alch value are important to preserve. See d-darts before toa swept its impact as a drop years ago and I never forgave ts.

Treat it closer to how scar treated runes so that you can set a ceiling (that you’re still willing to pay for) or some other way so you don’t impact main gameplay and work backwards

[restive storm]

the "pvp that isnt pvp" update iz

[dawn jackal]

nope its actually a boss

[tender harness]

3 quests for 2026 is wild and two of those quests are delayed

[restive storm]

ngl im cool delaying quests

but the fact theres just nothing to really do outside of temp game modes is kinda lame

[true talon]

ones a grand master quest with an anguish upgrade, some insane arrow shaft upgrade and some other stuff.

[restive storm]

a GM quest is like 3-5 hours of content tho

in total lol

[minor whale]

The boss itself isn't, and it's a whole new area too

[austere mulch]

tbow got 2-4 maxes w/doom, getting another 2 maxes with new amulet + 2 min hit (equiv of 4 maxes total) arrows + more accuracy with both

hopefully melee can actually get some love that doesn't come with a forfeit (oathplate being accuracy at the cost of max hits) from raid 4

[tender harness]

GM quest that was slated for early 2026
pushed back to summer
sailing quest pushed back due to issues with combat in sailing
temp game modes shouldnt be the meat and potatoes of the game lol.
raids 4 slated for late fall (assuming no delays)

[minor whale]

Vampyrium is very big

[narrow folio]

tbow will be 5% behind scythe on cerb

[austere mulch]

tbow will also beat scythe on maiden

[restive storm]

all it took was the rest of the game getting the DMM treatment where all the content is shoved into leagues for people to wake up 🙌

[austere mulch]

with and without vennator

[narrow folio]

and if my assumptions are right, it will BEAT scythe on sire

[tender harness]

they have had mediocre summits for like the past 3 years?
they should have done more
rs3 literally got the better road map

[narrow folio]

even scobow will beat scythe if full defense

[restive storm]

fr im more excited about the rs3 roadmap and i aint logged in in like 14 years

[narrow folio]

didnt take into acc oathplate nvm but its very close

[austere mulch]

not having any direction to share for rewards is disappointing but hopefully they come with ideas soon

[true talon]

dont see a problem with this tbh

[austere mulch]

yeah rs3 roadmap way more exciting than osrs lol

[austere mulch]

xarpus too

[restive storm]

i mean we got literally 0 actual "announcements"

[narrow folio]

beats scy on xarp?

[restive storm]

everything theyve already told us was coming lol

[narrow folio]

what the hell

[restive storm]

kinda surprised they even had the event

[austere mulch]

at 0def with vennator ring and the min hit, yeah

[nocturne solstice]

Im fine with quest requirements

[minor whale]

Raids are endgame content that should have high requirements

[nocturne solstice]

Its the norm, Cox is the only one without a quest req no?

[tacit wharf]

we've seen with yama how no req's does to content

[minor whale]

A few outliers is not a requirement they all be easy to access

[restive storm]

i, wholeheartedly agree - i think in order to rectify this they should put the raid in the old Fist of Guthix spot, and not allow you to teleport stragiht to it, no bank inside it either

[restive storm]

😈

[nocturne solstice]

ToA has cursed sands and ToB has at the bare minimum, priest in peril.

You wouldnt reasonably do ToB without the uhh other one to get into drakmeyer though

[narrow folio]

how did they calc min hit correctly?

[tender harness]

careful if plinx reads math he will take it as an offense

[quiet plank]

Why aren't there ever threads in #1305858575385755678 anymore

[narrow folio]

want to experiment myself

[austere mulch]

bow being 2nd at arraxor kinda funny ngl

[restive storm]

i took it as offense with the giant wall of text that it was

[final frigate]

we do need dev confirmation on how the distribution works

[narrow folio]

it changes everything

[ember token]

yeah they might as well delete the channel if theyre not even going to make posts for the winter summit

[final frigate]

whether it's 3 3 3 3 4 5 or 3 4 5

[narrow folio]

yes

[restive sapphire]

of the player islands
2/4 islands have a midgame boss
everyone vote for 1 of them so my bingo is more correct

[restive storm]

maybe theyll delete it when PvPcord arrives tomorrow

[obsidian venture]

Rough calcs but you'd have to use the custom option

Depends on how it actually works tho which they didn't mention

[narrow folio]

where is min hit in custom options?

[sharp cave]

the pvp update!

[nocturne solstice]

I really think this isnt the angle you should go for. Just say the account type you have why you cant access the raid, and what can be changed.

Are you just a pure? maybe you can just buy the rewards off the GE.

[obsidian venture]

he estimated with 2 maxes

[narrow folio]

tbow beating scythe on xarpus seems sus

[restive storm]

this is a pvm update

[narrow folio]

oh ok

gearscape guys get on this please

[quiet plank]

I feel like the last winter summit had a lot more but maybe I'm making things up

[obsidian venture]

it was done via gearscape

[narrow folio]

2nd bis at cerb and araxx seems believable

[restive storm]

i sorta agree with this, but do you think theyre gonna tell certain content creator pures that theyre not allowed to do the raid?

0 chance

[austere mulch]

blood moon rises is legit the one reveal that I'm like "oh thats nice"

[narrow folio]

hmm let me see how

i just add 3 rstr to the setup but its probably not accurate

[restive storm]

if pures could use rewards, and irons couldnt acces the raid there'd be at least 4 people FURIOUS that jagex would listen to

[nocturne solstice]

Probably, I imagine those creators also have a main for reasons.

Also me shocked odablock is maxed now

I thought he'd only have pk accounts tbh

[chrome lantern]

I mean it was the only new information we got from the summit other than which islands got to the finals and the name of Raids 4

[restive storm]

how would this shock you? PvP hasnt had content updates in years

hes gotta fill time w/ something lol

streaming still his job

[nocturne solstice]

Because usually when pkers get bored they make a new pure or zerker or some other snowflake to try something new.

[austere mulch]

I have little expectations for raids 4 after seeing who is the lead on it ngl, but open to being surprsied

[tacit wharf]

because he has is brother train his stats for him

[chrome lantern]

Was it Rice I don't remember

[restive storm]

right, but that doesnt do any good when the wildy/pvp is totally dead you make a sick account then just world hop on end for 6h fighting maybe 1 guy

[austere mulch]

Nah, Id love if it were Rice

[floral blaze]

Seeing Oda and Dino doing that 2 hrs from scratch episode live was painful. They kept mentioning how dead the wildy was without bots

[narrow folio]

These are my calcs for xarp

[nocturne solstice]

Wildy PVP content*
He's doing deadman and all that.

[chrome lantern]

The only good thing Rice has made is Yama but he also make contracts a thing so that's a big asterisk

[restive sapphire]

surely min hit means roll between 3 and max rather than rolls 1 and 2 become 3

[restive storm]

right but dmm is 2 weeks out of every other year

[austere mulch]

It's Arcane. I think he can make good content (Dt2 bosses are nice) but I don't think he makes good depth in content

[restive storm]

so hes gotta fill another 102 weeks of time

[narrow folio]

i think whoever said that assumed it maxed 88 on xarp when it doesnt have that high a magic lvl

[mortal iris]

No mention of HD update or plugin support for mobile?

[nocturne solstice]

What, there's 52 weeks in a year where did you get 102 weeks from

[chrome lantern]

Can't wait to see Raids 4 on 3 summits in a row next summit! And on next Winter Summit when it gets delayed!

[floral blaze]

Odas content the last like 4 years has been ghcims, milking months of hcims for 1 week of bounty hunter, grandmaster. Hes done more stuff non pvp that an actually pvping as a pvp streamer

[restive storm]

cuz last dmm was like 2 years ago

so 52x2 then less the 2 weeks that it ran

[narrow folio]

In addition it seems to lose to scythe on manticore with a masori setup

[restive storm]

id LOVE to have a dmm every year

but thats never gonna happen

[final frigate]

void is also competitive

for colo

[half adder]

Is there any lore connection between the blood moon of peril and this blood moon quest?

[narrow folio]

ah he assuemd void

[restive siren]

no

[restive sapphire]

next summit is definitely on runefest

[chrome lantern]

Yeah

[nocturne solstice]

Last one was 2024 July wasnt it? its not July 2026 yet

[half adder]

Why tf they overlapping names

[ember grove]

No real content updates until summer is kinda nuts

like I'll play leagues but where the hell is the dev time going now that sailing's actually out

[chrome lantern]

But same statement

[scarlet dawn]

'moooooooooooooo!'?

[spark hinge]

!starforge

[nocturne solstice]

Lotta people like blood

it do be like that

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/odablock-osrs-runescape-oldschool-twitch-gif-23119005

[restive sapphire]

surprise earlyy game cow boss

[restive storm]

does like 84 weeks sound much better?

thats a lotta down time to max

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah, sounds like you were off by 6 months thats a big rounding error

[narrow folio]

I'm not seeing that tbow beats scythe on araxxor either

[tender harness]

summit was bad. if we are getting to the point temp game modes are pulling away from actual main game content

can we re-evaluate?

[chrome lantern]

Didn't that one say second-best with maul landing

[narrow folio]

oh yeah

[austere mulch]

ye just went and verified myself

bp = scythe tho xarp on 0def

which is comic

[narrow folio]

correct it beats soulreaper

[austere mulch]

it beats sra already

[thick beacon]

a bit out of context for me but why does tbow have adamant boots

also is that factoring seeker arrows

?

[radiant heart]

why'd i just get a notification for moooooooooooooooooooo

lol

[narrow folio]

I'm not seeing also how scythe equals bp on xarpus

[restive storm]

i mean if 84 weeks of dead time isnt enough time to max as your full time job idk what is

[narrow folio]

It's the seeker arrow avernic treads

instead of +2 min hit I added 3 range str

[restive storm]

idk if thats really an own

[narrow folio]

it's very close like within 6%

[chrome lantern]

Couldn't you just scale the expected damage by taking the ratio of expected hit range

[nocturne solstice]

Id say he's fine cause it isnt dead time. If we're being realistic most creators make 1 vid a week so thats 84 vids for what, 10-20 minutes each?

Every PVM update becomes a new PVP video because there's new gear to test in PVP with combos and whatnot.

Happened with PM with eclipse happened with final dawn with arkan

[narrow folio]

Can you show me how to modify the expected hit then

[restive storm]

yeah i mean for sure it gives them some sort of new content, but a lot of it is similar to the gripes i have with other CC videos, "i tried ot this new bis weapon" and its them like poking them with something and then just insta mauling 2x

just like kidna boring content thats all the same

[narrow folio]

tbow beating zcb at nex is pretty funny

[nocturne solstice]

It pays the bills though clearly

[restive storm]

esp with singles + theres not really a lot of new stuff going on

[tender harness]

anyone have that roadmap image ?

[restive storm]

i just hear whining constantly about "whys he still eating" which ig is more twitch than YT

[narrow folio]

whats interesting is tbow will beat bowfa at leviathan

[nocturne solstice]

Poor bowfa losing places to be used

[obsidian venture]

it was already lost there

dcb/bp >

[dawn jackal]

so what i'm hearing is to invest my cash into the "twisted bow" item

[narrow folio]

even with 160 magic only...crazy

[restive storm]

wont SOMEONE think about the BOFA

[dawn jackal]

give it the option to fire dragon arrows

[thick beacon]

bp ddarts is already stronger when zcb stops

with current gear

then bowfa

[narrow folio]

aw man

[chrome lantern]

Like if your maxhit is 90, currently the expected damage is 1-90 on successful hit, and your average hit is (90+1)/2. If your min hit is now 3, then you have (90+3)/2, and you can just take the current DPS calc, plus the 23 acc, and multiply the output by 93/91

[thick beacon]

i hearrd some things like tbow>zcb at nex but havint seen calcs for it yet

[narrow folio]

just gonna wait for the geniuses to put in the functionality

[true talon]

The process is as follows:

Obtain an untradeable Alpha Venator Tooth from the Maggot King boss.
Etch the tooth with 84 Crafting, creating a tradeable Etched Alpha Venator Tooth.
Combine with a Necklace of Anguish (84 crafting required).

This additional crafting step preserves the importance of high Crafting levels while avoiding the need to sacrifice extra Zenyte jewellery simply to trade or store the item - a pain point we’ve seen raised with similar rewards in the past.

As part of this, we’re also interested in hearing whether players would like similar functionality applied to existing items like the Araxyte Fang and Amulet of Rancour.

Why didnt they mention the doom cloth? or did they forget lol.

[chrome lantern]

Do you know what the word "like" means

[tender harness]

I l ike also how they had a sailing poll but mentioned like nothing of the data collected

[narrow folio]

Here's nex calcs. Actually Tbow should have "82" max so the difference might be closer to 8%

nvm 80 max is correct

[true talon]

ahh i see, so maybe they are talking about extending it to every untradeable drop like vestieges/zenyte jewerly upgrades.

[zenith pike]

Adamant boots?

[narrow folio]

placeholder for seeker arrow boots

[tender harness]

The fantasy of a slow, hard-hitting cannon hasn't quite been satiated. Therefore we are proposing slowing down the cannon's attack rate, but in turn improving its strength to make up for it. In seclusion, this change would result in no change to dps, but would be a thematically cool and more economic option as you would get more damage per cannonball. Not only will bigger hits feel more satisfying, but it will also make your cannonball stack last a lot longer.

huh

[zenith pike]

Oh nice

[narrow folio]

just add seeker arrow stats to treads + 3 rstr

takes tbow from 78 to 80

[tender harness]

whats the point of cannons if people are still killing shit with megas

[meager flame]

lmao please god why

[tender harness]

[zenith pike]

So nothings changing?

[narrow folio]

if min hit is different then i suppose its much closer

[true talon]

you use both XD

[meager flame]

now you save a little bit of gp but everything you hated is actually the exact same as before

woo

[tender harness]

We envision your progression through the game to weave between using cannons and traditional weapons. When these changes go live, the meta will likely settle on using traditional combat at the top end, with your crew acting as super-charged thralls... For now. Remember, cannons are only going up to dragon tier. Dragon shouldn't compete with megarares, like Tumeken's Shadow. But the future may hold more interesting boat weapon upgrades such as variants of cannonballs, improved cannons, different combat style weapons (magic cannon, anyone?) or even a boat mega-rare! For now we are committing to fixing the foundations of boat combat such that we have the space to introduce these exiting upgrades in the future.

basically nothings changing? megascape stays winning

[chrome lantern]

It's probably the compromise for Ava's device on cballs

But yeah seems lackluster

[true talon]

mega scape is never changing, this is the ceiling of weapons basically.

[thick beacon]

they nerfed nex def drain to counter tbow meta on nex to when it came out. common tbow w

[rare grotto]

yes megas are the best weapons

[narrow folio]

of course reality is you'll be brewing and stuff tho arma brews exist

[sharp cave]

if the pvp update had to die for the cow boss, it was worth it

[meager flame]

i mean unless their plan is for cannons to be like 30 ticks it wont even really fix it

as far as how quickly we consume the ammo lol

[true talon]

All the stuff at summit looked hype, im interested in the new grandmaster quest an raids 4

[stiff horizon]

When is the cow boss dropping?

[true talon]

everything else idc about lol

[minor whale]

Cow Boss that Boaty couldn't complete in an hour of attempts

[tender harness]

im sorry but like
if I have a fucking cannon for sailing. that should out dps a mega rare on sailing content

[narrow folio]

we already have the nmz cow

[tender harness]

if its land locked who cares

[narrow folio]

lets make it happen

[meager flame]

i think the content they did announce sounds good

[thick beacon]

thats not how megarares work though

its just they should be better

[meager flame]

im sort of concerned there isn't really a lot of main game content though for like

the whole year

[true talon]

What cow boss?

[meager flame]

the good stuff seems to be winter

[tender harness]

literally shadow safe spot krakens are still better than cannons

xd

[chrome lantern]

Oh, the new summary blog has HD/API on it as a header

[meager flame]

and everything else is like heres a quest and uh

yeah bye

[minor whale]

It's also not how they intended sailing combat to be
They never wanted it to be a separate combat skill so having cannons be worse than megas makes sense

[restive storm]

AMEEN

[narrow folio]

guy in the raids trailer hefts a soulreaper axe

sra to the moon

[restive storm]

were just doomed to the same stuff for ages lol

[true talon]

i hope its a crush raid, we dont got 1 and crush is out dated style

[meager flame]

i mean they're not worse afaik

[narrow folio]

crush and tbow dominance

[tender harness]

then literally what is the point of cannons and mobs with stupid stats in the ocean
if megas just kill them faster than a cannon

[meager flame]

its also a silly comparison because

[restive siren]

kinda weird leagues being right after dmm with no major update inbetween

[meager flame]

you use your mega and the cannons

not one or the other

[true talon]

your crewmates use the cannons you mega them down XD

[chrome lantern]

On that note, we've made the decision to put a pause on our API project. We've been prioritising other major technical work ahead of the API, that have a more immediate impact on the overall player experience, such as finishing things like HD and further mobile improvements.
LOL

[zenith pike]

That’s so depressing

[narrow folio]

finishing hd?

we have hdos and 117

[meager flame]

oh this is huge L

like a hilariously huge one

finishing hd has 0 impact on players without the api

because nobody is using that client

[minor whale]

I'd so much rather have api instead of hd first

That's actually so sad

[grim gull]

Not to mention the plugins API would've helped mobile players too

[minor whale]

Nobody is going to switch to official client without plugins

[mortal iris]

where was this said?

[grim gull]

New post

[chrome lantern]

New summary blog

[mortal iris]

ahhh i see it now!

[meager flame]

lmao legitimately what are they thinking

their hd project is useless without the api

because we're just going to stay on runelite

[chrome lantern]

Yeah

People in another channel were also just saying that

[restive siren]

nah tons of casuals will swap tbh

yes its sad for us

[chrome lantern]

Honestly if they made the API and actually let us use good plugins instead of trash like the mobile minimenu swapper

I would switch to the official client immediately

[narrow folio]

does the API help runelite plugins?

[chrome lantern]

The API does a lot of stuff that's a lot harder to do in RL

[meager flame]

no the api helps put plugins somewhere other than runelite

[narrow folio]

oh

[true talon]

runelite is king an here to stay, should just be bought by jagex as their offical client XD

[restive storm]

idk who i gotta beg to stop making more and more dmm changes when wildy been abandoned for years but lemme @ em

[chrome lantern]

Like the official clients currentyl track all your skilling resources but RL kinda backdoors loot tracking because it just observes the output and doesn't get the info directly

[true talon]

mod manked

[chrome lantern]

It's like how you can get the loot tracker in RL to say you got your gear from a boss when you loot and swap same time

[restive storm]

hes the one developing but i dont think its his call what he works on

[meager flame]

lmao idk how to even describe how disappointing that actually is i feel like it would sound really mean

[restive storm]

this is how ive felt for the past at LEAST 3 summits tbf

[grim gull]

We've been prioritising other major technical work ahead of the API, that have a more immediate impact on the overall player experience, such as finishing things like HD and further mobile improvements.

This is one of the statements of all time. HD more impact on player experience than plugins

[restive storm]

just like... depression lol

[meager flame]

definitely one of the dumbest things ever if im not counting pre osrs decisions

pretty brutal

[floral blaze]

But bro 2026 is set to be an action-packed year for PvP events, so make sure to give Deadman: Annihilation a go, tune in to Deadman: All-Stars 3 (or come to the Finale in person) and stay tuned for other events throughout the year!

[grim gull]

Would runelite not just be able to use the HD update too or are they sticking with Java

[chrome lantern]

RuneLite is not on C++

[ember token]

I guess I'm not surprised they're pausing the API because there's been basically no updates on it for 2 years

[meager flame]

adam basically stated that runelite will never be for the c++ client

[grim gull]

Ik that's why I said the 2nd half of my sentence

[meager flame]

because its just too much work

they said that as soon as jagex talked about their new c++ client

maybe they'll change their mind one day but i doubt it

[lilac hedge]

When hd

[meager flame]

apparently never since it wont be playable even when it releases lol

[austere mulch]

LOOOOL

[grim gull]

Didn't runelite do something because sailing needed the new renderer? Maybe they'll be able to do something similar with HD

[austere mulch]

pause on API + zero meaningful changes to boat combat

some huge misses

[restive storm]

“Other events” that I can’t take part in… damn

https://tenor.com/view/npc-behavior-be-like-gif-5015090418525336214

[oblique mesa]

Should have voted yes on project Zanaris :^)

[meager flame]

it makes a lot of sense that nobody said any of that on stream

[restive storm]

I did, even tho I didn’t think I’d really participate

[meager flame]

i wouldn't have wanted to be the guy to put my face on that stuff either

[mortal iris]

A big hurdle for news players is the official client is terrible, new players would prefer the HD update, and unless they install Runelite they dont know about plugins. Not prioritizing making their client competitive with Runelite is odd. Using Runelite for the first time was like playing a different game. Making their client competitive should be a #1 priority especially because it directly affects mobile.

[sacred oracle]

There was a lot of good stuff in the summit, but the cow bell amulet is so close to giving us something that the clogging community has wanted for forever: a teleport to the west cow pasture near Draynor manor. It teleports to the eastern cow pasture near Lumbridge isntead. I would absolutely love an option to be added so you can teleport to either cow pasture.

[meager flame]

yeah the summit stream honestly i cant really complain about the stuff they did show but apparently

they were saving the losses for the blogs

[floral blaze]

I was looking forward to it

[restive storm]

Thank god they’re at least catering to SOMEONE with their content releases

[sacred oracle]

That would be so good, and this is the best (perhaps only) chance to get it into the game.

[tender harness]

summit was a big nothing burger is all it was

[restive storm]

Cuz I didn’t know who was interested in any of it

[sacred oracle]

There was a lot of stuff in the summit that wasn't particularly interesting to me, but a lot of my friends were excited about leagues

[oblique mesa]

When they said there was a duo goofing around off camera I thought it was going to be skill specs + torvesta there to talk about PvP updates

[sacred oracle]

I cared most about the Blood Moon quest and the new raid

[meager flame]

ya like my only criticism of the summit was just that they aren't really pushing out a lot of content for the real game that people will care about

[zenith pike]

Well I’m happy for you, probably

[meager flame]

most of it is stuff we'll see in the next summit

[restive sapphire]

as a mentally ill clogger i have to do the cow boss

[minor whale]

I wouldn't call it a nothing burger but there weren't any big surprise soon things like last year

[tender harness]

Leagues should not detract from main game development, which it clearly has same with DMM (shitty pvp leagues)

[meager flame]

and that stuff is good that they showed but like

[restive storm]

I was a little excited last time they announced blood moon now I kinda don’t care

[minor whale]

I mean all the "new" stuff we got last year was the Yama announcement

[sacred oracle]

No one needs to teleport to the eastern pasture, but we've been wanting a western teleport for absolute ages

[meager flame]

in the next 6 months we get a quest and a boss which is cool

and then we're kinda cooked waiting

[restive storm]

Thrills really worn off

[fresh forge]

Yeah it's clearly a lot of work

[sacred oracle]

I'm still pretty excited about the quest. I like new bosses and new gear.

[restive sapphire]

teleporting on top of fred the farmer would be huge

[sacred oracle]

Raids 4, I'm not a big raider, but I have until winter to change that and become one

[chrome lantern]

New flail weapon has 6 prayer bonus listed wow

[viral drum]

Easy mode Brutus...

Hard mode Brutus..

[meager flame]

im surprised the crush niche they tried to fill was

[oblique mesa]

New quest looks cool and Mod Rice seems to make good content.
Not sure why hunter needs AFK training method but guess every skill needs a way to not play the game

[meager flame]

crush d claws

im not mad but like why

[sacred oracle]

Also I have until Blood Moon, apparently, to get a quiver, because I'm pretty sure all the dps calcs floating around touting the new tbow supremecy assume you have quiver for those sweet max hits

[zenith pike]

It was supposed to have 2, it stole 4 from old tbow

[sacred oracle]

So gotta lock in and get it before summer

[tender harness]

hunter already has afk training
its just not many people do it

[meager flame]

i mean i already have 3 spec dps weapons that basically do the same dps

i guess adding a fourth to that rotation works

idk how interesting that is but lol

[sacred oracle]

Don't think I see what use the crush weapon will be, but maybe that's simply because I've finished the bosses that you crush already

[zenith pike]

That’s true

[meager flame]

they offhandedly called it crush d claws on the stream

[sacred oracle]

Inquisitor mace probably going to the floor rn

[dawn jackal]

yea the new crush weapon is kinda comically sidegrade scape

[meager flame]

idk if they meant to tell us that much but like

yeah thats what it is

[grim gull]

Wdym Jagex announced you can now watch an in-person pvp event while being in an irl pvp area of Chicago

[tender harness]

why is this on the opinion poll

and I cant even skip it

[meager flame]

why would someone hear about it from a creator

[floral blaze]

Sounds very immersive, W Jagex

[zenith pike]

irl pvp server

[meager flame]

its plastered on everything if you try to log into the game

[restive sapphire]

it def gave me the impression of crush dclaws
honestly i would like a dwh/elder maul but instead of reducing def it increases min hit on the victim

[meager flame]

i mean im sure people heard someone mention it but like surely they didn't learn about it from a creator lol

[minor whale]

Runefest will probably remain where big new reveals are shown

And Summits will be date ranges and stuff

The "thing we had no idea about" this year is hard mode cow boss

[sacred oracle]

[chrome lantern]

I know this isn't going to be a vote that matters, but I'm voting No on the Dragon Cannon Barrel Kraken. It just doesn't make sense, and it just means they'll never make it common from somewhere else. Why would you do combat to get the thing to do combat? You get the cannon barrel, then what?

[meager flame]

tbf thats how standard combat upgrades work

[sacred oracle]

I don't really care where dragon cannon barrel comes from, personally. It's already so cheap that adding another source can't really make the price worse.

[meager flame]

jagex just didn't make the million bosses and npcs to go shoot

[restive storm]

Smh if they invited o-block Sprite to compete I mighta gone to support the hometown boy

[meager flame]

yet

[chrome lantern]

Sailing combat doesn't really have a reason to do it to begin with

This doesn't help that

And like I said

I would rather vote no on this and have them actually adjust the rate

[restive storm]

But if it’s just random content creators 90% of which can’t stack up in 1v1s I don’t really care

[meager flame]

i feel like it addresses the feedback that maybe you wanted to do something that wasn't afk salvage to get the barrel

but it doesn't fix the other stuff

[sacred oracle]

I just ignored the question, and it didn't force me to do it even though the skip button doesn't work

[minor whale]

Yeah some people just want an active method of getting it

[ember token]

you only have to answer it if you picked the option that you heard about the summit from a creator

you cant skip it because you cant answer it in the first place

if you try to click skip, a message will appear in chat

[chrome lantern]

^

[sacred oracle]

I think the rate of dragon cannon barrel is fine. I have several of them. It's grindable, and the only people who need to grind it are cloggers and irons, and they both signed up for it.

Doesn't feel like an unreasonable grind to me.

[chrome lantern]

I was about to type that, you can't even answer it unless it applies to you

[sacred oracle]

If it were, like, rate of moon helm, then I'd mind.

[minor whale]

But being angry first works gooder

[sacred oracle]

Moon helm is one the few items in the ground game where I think the rate is too punishing

But it's fine, because it's a cosmetic and you don't have to get it

Would be less fine to me if it were useful gear or smth

[zenith pike]

The humble imbued heart:

[sacred oracle]

Moon helm is untradable, but heart is, so I don't mind it

[floral blaze]

On the bright side, at least we're getting the Pvp channel tomorrow?

[hasty shard]

it has stats

[sacred oracle]

[[moon helm]]

[ornate wolf]

Wiki links found:
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Moon_helm

[tender harness]

bloodshards being tied to a level 74 slayer mob

[quiet plank]

No updates in the spring bro

[tender harness]

[quiet plank]

That's crazy

[sacred oracle]

that's funny, i never actually realized it had any stats at all

[dawn jackal]

lmao the reason they had to discuss a pvp channel was because they have no plans for any updates to the wilderness and don't wnana hear about it all the time

[sacred oracle]

rip entrana fashionscape

[minor whale]

Its "stats" are negligible

It's an iron full helm with worse than mitre prayer bonus

[oblique mesa]

The ol containment thread

[quiet plank]

Why is dmm and leagues back to back

And no actual content

[floral blaze]

They saw what happened to this channel

[dawn jackal]

well its confusing they had to discuss it at all

not really a thing that needs much discussion

[restive siren]

very good q

[dawn jackal]

but the reason they needed to discuss it is because they have 0 plans for any wildy content, and didn't want to moderate a channel that is just gonna be people pointing that fact out all the time lol

[restive storm]

Talk about a silver lining lol

[tender harness]

would be cool if combat wasnt so dog

[sacred oracle]

Yeah, I've been putting off doing sailing combat clog until changes

Been doing deep sea trawling instead

[restive storm]

This, but I’ve unironically been saying it for over a year lol

[sacred oracle]

Sailing combat just isn't very fun right now, and it's just so awkward

[oblique mesa]

Oh I am glad that they completely scrapped the escort quests for port tasks

[quiet plank]

How is vampyrium the only content we're getting that isn't sailing or a raid

[sacred oracle]

Spinning your boat around, going into sailing menu and repeatedly swapping stuff around just to keep your dps up

[restive storm]

Too much time going to temp game modes

Main game now getting the Wildy treatment

[winged mantle]

I wish they talked more on the types of things for this summer sweep up in winter

[restive siren]

we are getting a sweep up and a cow

[restive storm]

Welcome to the horror show

[pale anvil]

No info on player support roadmap??

[sacred oracle]

My assumption is these aren't the only updates that will be happening all year. Seems unlikely the entire year isn't just, what, three quests.

[restive siren]

one time i actually agree with you

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[chrome lantern]

I wouldn't be shocked

What did we get last year that wasn't on the roadmap

[sacred oracle]

I don't play any temporary game modes, so I just zoned out for all the DMM and Leagues stuff

[restive siren]

think people will be burnt out from dmm and leagues will flop a bit

[restive storm]

We have to make the game exciting for those that don’t want to play it

[chrome lantern]

Gridmaster

What else

[restive storm]

So too bad if you actually enjoy the main game

[ember token]

that actually seems quite likely, the last 2 years have been outliers because of varlamore

[winged mantle]

Also why did they say "we're bringing region locking back" like as if leagues 4, 5 didn't have it

[sacred oracle]

I would be very disappointed if that's the case.

[tacit wharf]

[dawn jackal]

i would be curious to see the accounts of the folks kvetching about not getting enough content

[meager flame]

i do agree that i think its another year like uh

[sacred oracle]

This isn't enough content is if that's all we're getting the entire year.

[meager flame]

idr what year it was

[quiet plank]

I thought we were supposed to get more content since the team isn't so focused on varlamore and sailing now

[dawn jackal]

typically new content that isn't specifically a boss sucks

[meager flame]

but its like the year where they basically rolled out a bunch of temp game modes then i think gim the same year

[tender harness]

I like how every player island has a fucking agility course

[meager flame]

and the actual content for the game was just super low

[restive siren]

have you not seen the cow

[floral blaze]

The logic is weird. Get people to bond up for 2 weeks for a seasonal game mode then fuck off cuz main game is boring and doggyshit?

[chrome lantern]

Now it's just all on Sailing (but only mild changes to combat)

[restive storm]

Nowoy a feature that shoulda been there since alpha

[minor whale]

Their "and more" section includes stuff not on the roadmap ye

So it's not just gonna be announced stuff

[quiet plank]

There needs to be another summer sweep up

[sacred oracle]

That's good. I like having surprises to look forward to.

[meager flame]

its kinda hard to say though because i do like the content they are giving us but it just seems like a lot of it is stuff for a much later discussion and hopefully that blood moon boss is really really good

[sacred oracle]

So far, I've really liked the sweepups.

[quiet plank]

Make my hallys 5 tick

[meager flame]

because there wont be anything to actually play besides that

[winged mantle]

Hats for pets!

[narrow folio]

making all other hallys 5t is whatever

besides crystal for obvious reasons

[sacred oracle]

And I'm really stoked for the new red skin! I've been wanting more skin colors for years. Every Halloween, I wonder if this is the year we get more colors.

[restive storm]

Sweep ups are good but are about 1/20th the amount that’s actually required to make things consistent within the game

[quiet plank]

The content they announced is great but it's literally 2 pieces of content

[meager flame]

yeah basically

[quiet plank]

Crystal hally is fine at 5 tick just keep spec 7tick

[rare jewel]

No word on HD

[meager flame]

its going to be weird too because the summer summit is going to have virtually the same roadmap this one does

[sacred oracle]

To be honest, a content slowdown wouldn't be so bad. I still have so much to do, and a lot of my goals keep getting pushed back as I rush new content that lands.

[winged mantle]

Also lowkey the costmetics for leagues are meh. Butler and sra are great. Why trident/ ibans???

[ember token]

https://osrs.game/Summit-Overview < read

[quiet plank]

Yes, what happened to HD?

[sacred oracle]

There was in the blog, I believe, unless you mean the lack of a concrete date for its release is "no word."

[narrow folio]

i guess

[sacred oracle]

Which is somewhat fair.

[ember token]

read ^

[meager flame]

oh they talked about hd

you just wont like it

[narrow folio]

ultimately not much real impact on anything

[zinc galleon]

Roadmap looks scarce, maybe room for some wilderness adjustments 😁

[true talon]

Year of the TOB sweep up, but i know they are cowards.

[narrow folio]

I'm worried they're going to go around and nuke rewards like they did before and mess up iron supplies

[meager flame]

the sweep up will at least be engagement bait

[chrome lantern]

Honestly battleaxes should be 5t too

[meager flame]

we're going to have war over what they should even look at fixing to begin with

it'll be funny

[true talon]

If there isnt a prayer scroll reduction sweep up for CM's we riot in the streets

[nocturne solstice]

war never changes

[meager flame]

its definitely not the subject for jagex to poll us all on

[sacred oracle]

I'm okay with reward nukes. It's too easy to make gp in this game right now, and everything's getting inflated, and bond prices are out of control.

[narrow folio]

it'll either powercreep scimmy or just stay useless

[sacred oracle]

I could do with a bit more scarcity.

[meager flame]

but it will uh generate engagement at least

[winged mantle]

Dw this sweep up will sweep many things under the rug (jk)

[narrow folio]

🤣

[sacred oracle]

Would rather the entire game not go the TOA route and just pump insane amounts of resources into the game.

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-not-funny-its-not-funny-not-amused-haha-fake-laugh-gif-4050313

0 chance

[true talon]

Sorry bud, the bots are making sure that happens.

[narrow folio]

just be careful with how future bosses handle supplies

[floral blaze]

Reverting rev caves back to multi and undoing pj timer update as part of the Summer Sweep Up update LFG!!!

[winged mantle]

I want to see the number of people that said "i don't want region locked leagues" in the opinion poll

[narrow folio]

we dont need to randomly nerf cox again for example

[chrome lantern]

Frick I forgot to write that!

[quiet plank]

New f2p boss is pretty hype imo

[chrome lantern]

I knew I was missing something!

[restive storm]

My man would be all the updates we need

[meager flame]

im pretty sure they're not going to even think about touching cox until something actually goes wrong

its an insane anomaly that's somehow working and healthy a million years later atm

[oblique mesa]

Yes all 3 real f2p playrs and 4000 bots will love it

[floral blaze]

@ Manked. There I solved your job for you, king.

[true talon]

I think there is one thing asked for, which is reduced scrolls in CM's

[narrow folio]

if they already did a lot of nerfs last year it would feel really bad to keep going this year

[meager flame]

ya but thats one of those things that honestly

[dawn jackal]

funny thing is the real f2p players dont want a single update to their game mode

[meager flame]

probably they'd be dumb to mess with it

[true talon]

Cox is overall in a good spot, but i dont got a reason to do CM's after 3 kits and a dust.

[narrow folio]

just bring up underutilized items

[winged mantle]

The capes should work like tob or toa

[meager flame]

all the items are holding good value compared to what they do somehow going on a decade after release

i know i'd probably just skip over adjusting that table lol

even if i get why people dont like scrolls

[quiet plank]

All the uniques are p2p so it won't get botted

[narrow folio]

it's too late to change the capes

[winged mantle]

Not really

[analog crow]

I can''t believe Jagex stole my idea and didn't credit me 😔

[quiet plank]

It'll just be a fun intro to Pvm for new players

[winged mantle]

They changed many things about the raid

[narrow folio]

they currently hold a lot of prestige for those who got it

[true talon]

Another sweep up id want for Cox but its more bias is to add the buckler and crossbow into the d claws and bulwark table an have ancestral have its own table

[narrow folio]

and it's just a cosmetic anyway not an important item

[true talon]

i dont think a table should be a 1/5 to hit a single piece of ancestral

[winged mantle]

Just so it's in line with how the other raids work

[restive sapphire]

i am voting yes bc cloggers are forged in agony

[narrow folio]

if you want to push that far they would make deaths wipe

[meager flame]

i'd just be happy they looked lol

[winged mantle]

I'd be ok with that

[true talon]

id be fine with death's wiping you in chambers XD

[narrow folio]

some things are historical and fine as is

[winged mantle]

People should take dying in olm more seriously

[true talon]

1k point tbows is cringe

[hard axle]

because they're too much of a puss to lock good cosmetics behind actual good content

the BP kits could've been mutagen extensions just saying

[true talon]

I know HCIM would be pissed

[meager flame]

like the arceuus teleports they copied my random list of teleport locations 1:1 when they were scrambling to figure out anything to put on that spellbook

then added like 2 to the list

[narrow folio]

lowering scroll rates in cms a little bit is the only realistic thing

[meager flame]

if you were ever wondering who was dumb enough to suggest a mind altar teleport yw

[hard axle]

and they don't want to put kits from TGMs in clog either

[narrow folio]

further discouraging megascale boosting

[meager flame]

lmao

[chrome lantern]

There shouldn't be any safe deaths for HCIM other than Fight Pits (NOT caves), LMS, Castle Wars, and Soul Wars

[winged mantle]

Normally I'm like "oh wow I want to get all these cosmetics ". This time it lacks the sauce

[icy relic]

Make scrolls one time drops

And replace them with ancestral cloth

[narrow folio]

what

[true talon]

true inferno should be hcim death also XD

[narrow folio]

also too late to change normal hcim

[true talon]

since colo is

[narrow folio]

if it wasnt they wouldve done it already

[hard axle]

"too late" stfu

like holy hell

[winged mantle]

Never say never

[true talon]

never to late to do anything

[narrow folio]

wouldn't be fair that everyone else already completed all this content beforehand

[winged mantle]

Unpolled integrity change

[hard axle]

mfers who say "too late" are the same people who were like "dont nerf bp"

[winged mantle]

Make them real hcim

[quiet plank]

Crazy that I'm more excited about the rs3 roadmap and I don't play that game

[chrome lantern]

Relock infernal capes until you get another :)

[icy relic]

It's never too late to make the game better

[chrome lantern]

For all accounts :)

[narrow folio]

pointless to argue with you in particular so I just won't. (to the melee guy)

[hard axle]

same cancerous folks who intentionally delay changes for 2 months and then say "it's too late" - toa is prime example

[true talon]

suddenly cape sales skyrocket XD

[void aspen]

"We welcome feedback on what rewards you think are appropriate to be accessible in F2P, and we'd welcome exploring that further in a separate poll."

Can we look at fixing hardleather body crafting to be 3 ticks to craft(like all other leather items) via this cow related boss. This would allow f2p to have an accessible item to 3t skill with.

Thanks

[final frigate]

no new invos 🥀

[chrome lantern]

Ok fine find a way to handle banning cape sellers/buyers first without false positives

[hard axle]

like they clearly knew that hcim was too safe, which is why they updated for hcgim

[icy relic]

Inferno is a joke nowadays anyway

[hard axle]

its also reactable

[narrow folio]

it feels like i havent heard of anyone lately who got banned for services

[true talon]

Facts the mage tank armor method is

[final frigate]

holy based

[hard axle]

you know when u got chanced

and have time to tp

[narrow folio]

they should definitely go hard on services and account sharing

[restive sapphire]

inferno def is too easy now
our endgame benchmarks are 8-9 years old

[icy relic]

Idk why you would ever do that when you can just 90 min bowfa first cape while camping deadeye til jads

[chrome lantern]

Now is the moment when Sae Bae would plug just making a single-click 3t item xd

[final frigate]

pray mage and you can only really get 1 tapped by jad or zuk yeah

[oblique mesa]

Surely it should be okay if we get some false positives, we completed the play support roadmap

[final frigate]

you have 20 brews now anyway

[winged mantle]

Who's getting a 90 min fist cape?

[narrow folio]

20??

[final frigate]

nobody's bowfaing 90 min first kc

[narrow folio]

90 min first cape is definitely well faster than average

[final frigate]

even tbow 90 min first kc is decent

[winged mantle]

I did 1:47 in max tbow on my iron first cape

Like what even

[chrome lantern]

My first cape was 2:14 with tbow xd

[narrow folio]

i was in max tbow (amethyst) and it took near 2h still, and it was a single set zuk

[restive sapphire]

my 1st was 3 hours legit

shitter sgs scum method

[hard axle]

oh lord, do u know the meme in this discord

[true talon]

mine was 3 hours with bowfa, i was sgs specing and afking watching xzact solves XD

[winged mantle]

No

[hard axle]

97 minute acb first cape

[winged mantle]

Lmao what

[hard axle]

they couldn't explain ANY solves

[winged mantle]

I see

[hard axle]

we meme'd that guy so hard

[winged mantle]

Fair honestly

[hard axle]

good times

[narrow folio]

while it's not ok to cheat, it's against the rules to harass someone or name and shame so I disapprove

[hard axle]

ye stfu

[narrow folio]

reporting and moving on is the best

[floral blaze]

Most infernal capes are botted these days anyways lol

[icy relic]

Prayer is a complete non-issue, deadeye is -1 max hit under rigour for barely any prayer drain

[narrow folio]

where do you get "most" from?

[icy relic]

Conflictions mean you don't need any mage swaps

[hard axle]

maybe i

go back

and test afk methods

[winged mantle]

They're cowards

[chrome lantern]

On my GIM I did a cape with BP and crystal armor + regular crystal bow for zuk

That was my 3rd ever cape

[narrow folio]

rigour also has accuracy but i get what u mean

[true talon]

Oh it was 2 hours and 15 minutes

[chrome lantern]

I was also imbued hearting to cast ice barrage xd

[true talon]

I tanked 2 zuk hits XD

[chrome lantern]

I tanked 1 hit on my first cape

[narrow folio]

tanked a jad myself but no zuks

[chrome lantern]

Which was my second zuk

[hasty shard]

i feel like a lot of people forget crystal bow exists

[chrome lantern]

My first zuk I tanked a 57 and a 0 then died at healers

[narrow folio]

sim definitely helps a lot with the procedure these days

[restive storm]

after making fun of them for this, i can tell you they definitely do not care cuz 1 theyre still OP and 2 they dont get banned

[chrome lantern]

I never used a sim other than for Sol Heredit

[winged mantle]

That's disappointing

[narrow folio]

very impressive

i wouldve had a LOT more attempts if i didnt spam the inferno sim

[chrome lantern]

I don't really know if there were good ones when I was doing it idk

I did it over the course of like a year or longer sending an attempt every 1-4 weeks xd

[narrow folio]

technology wasnt there i suppose

[restive storm]

yep, pretty demotivating if you wanted to go out there and pk on a pure rn, like 70-80% of them all cheat to have gear they dont deserve

[chrome lantern]

Started with bofa and got a tbow

Died once at triple jads, once at zuk, and I have no clue how many wave deaths

[true talon]

I failed my first zuk, because the 2nd set of magers spawned an i didnt tag it. so it killed my shield, then i proceeded to die to zuk 10 more times XD

[narrow folio]

proceeded to plank 4x in a row on inferno tasks then quit

[chrome lantern]

I have still only died to/at Zuk once

[winged mantle]

As someone who learned the game on my iron they rob themselves of immense achievement.

• learnt colo before inferno (27 completions for perma quiver),
• learnt inferno (12 attempts, 1 zuk)
• blood torva (77 orbs, no alt attempts)

[restive sapphire]

i died 30+ times including 10 zuks but got it done over 2 weeks w/ pandemic buff

[restive storm]

0 deaths at zuk for me

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

many deaths @ triples

[narrow folio]

I fullsent zuk without timers

[restive siren]

got my cape the first time i got past wave 63

[restive storm]

as a main i agree, i legit cba even bothering attempting on my pure

[restive siren]

havent gone back yet

[true talon]

This was the floor is lava CA lol

[restive sapphire]

i barely died to triples even at the beginning but i healers was such a brick wall

[narrow folio]

and it worked

[restive storm]

so i get why people do it, but its cringe they get away with it\

[hard axle]

im very excited about the leechfin sandwich ngl

[restive siren]

idk

[hard axle]

we take melee upgrades where we can get them

[restive siren]

im very mixed

[final frigate]

saw this recently

[winged mantle]

New barehand harpoon

[restive sapphire]

with a full time job i got colo quiver 6 days after release so one day i stopped being ass

[final frigate]

funniest shit i've seen so far this year

[hard axle]

OI

that's gonna be painful

[restive siren]

insta yeet?

[narrow folio]

it's going to end up where moonlight antelope is, technically good but takes too much effort to use and benefit from

[restive storm]

he was owning bro wym

[chrome lantern]

I only got 1 set because tbow :)

[final frigate]

not my clan, bro was saying omfg with this ss in wdr

[narrow folio]

same lmao

[final frigate]

unreal

[restive storm]

prob his first attempt too what a demon

[winged mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-simpson-safari-africa-homer-simpson-leeches-gif-10595658937061019343

[narrow folio]

i was like, first zuk, fuck it just go

[restive siren]

tf, i always use antilopes

[hard axle]

it's 16-32 healing in 1 slot and is melee exclusively

[final frigate]

should've paid extra for gm

[hard axle]

that's pretty good

[narrow folio]

really? antelopes seem too annoying to use

[hard axle]

and u can "pre-pot" it

dude

did u even read the fucking blog

[restive sapphire]

1 setting w/o task beforee masori was def impossible

for me

[restive siren]

there is nothing annoying about them

[narrow folio]

and now that we have marlins antelopes are relatively worse

[hasty shard]

shit sucks tbh

[chrome lantern]

There was a guy that is no longer in my clan (kicked out for this I'm about to say) that got his first fire cape and got the No prayer points lost CA at the same time, then admitted to someone playing on his account (in game chat)

[true talon]

Shoulda tagged the bottom mager, unlucky

[narrow folio]

you eat again and u lose the first ones secondary heal

[restive siren]

i mean on something like duke or vard the leechwiches seem a bit crazy ngl

they are super strong in a nieche and useless outside

[hasty shard]

also yet again another fishing method fucked over because 'resource gathering'

[chrome lantern]

Yeah the leeches seem like they're pretty much just for 1 per encounter

[hasty shard]

actually popped a blood vessel seeing them say wont disrupt meta

[minor whale]

It's not a good item if you're gonna use any hard food at all in the future

[hasty shard]

like what is this for genuinely

[minor whale]

It makes the next hard food you eat have 3x healing delay for a single instance of 16hp healed on melee hit

[hard axle]

i lowkey hope they replace one of the food in tob with it

[restive siren]

well you can either bring combofood or anglers which you can combo with antilopes without losing the heal and honestly i basically never run into the situation where i need to spam heals unless im like sub 10kc on a new boss

[chrome lantern]

Meta methods? From my GM quest with "the hardest quest boss?"

[true talon]

ya i dont get how this sandwhich will work lol

[hasty shard]

just so you dont take damage entering maiden? like 😭

[narrow folio]

the long delay kills it tbh

[frail bough]

it heals 32 "over time"

[hasty shard]

way too complicated imo

[narrow folio]

if u die because u were on cooldown

[hasty shard]

as in, dont add it

[true talon]

you cant eat after you use it, it cant be used as a combo eat and it heals for 32

[narrow folio]

it negates any benefit

[winged mantle]

I thought it was for the next 16 tics don't eat then it goes away

[chrome lantern]

Perhaps an example. At vard, eat leech, hit melee, you're up 32 hp for 2t delay. Then you kill boss, eat another food to reheal.

[hard axle]

it depends how long this next eat delay penalty is

[chrome lantern]

Now your timer is back to normal

[minor whale]

It's gonna pass and be dead content except for a post-angler prepot
Because if you're doing ToB or something what are you gonna do
Enter with 121 hp and just don't melee until you take 37 damage for it to be worth using at all

[hasty shard]

the item genuinely reads like a meme someone would make in 2020 about powercreep

[minor whale]

It's absolutely a meme

[chrome lantern]

wym post angler

The heal wears off quickly

[restive siren]

wat

[hasty shard]

'32 heal but 8t delay but 2t like karambwan but melee only'

[narrow folio]

if they reduce the delay it becomes too strong

[hard axle]

they don't need to reduce the delay

[hasty shard]

like dude i dont give a fuck about new food stop

[true talon]

Wait for a person to eat one an then double spec them with voidwaker

[hasty shard]

please

[hard axle]

they need to clarify what the duration of the penalty is

[true talon]

easy ko

[minor whale]

If you prepot with it it means you can't melee until you take that damage anyway or make sure you don't need to eat anything afterwards

[narrow folio]

if they leave it as is it becomes...like those hemostatic bandages

[minor whale]

It's just weird

[chrome lantern]

Eat -> Heal 16 + 2t delay -> hit -> heal 16 more -> Your next eat -> 9t delay

[restive siren]

idk they seem insanely good for some melee bosses, vard, duke, cerb, yaddayadda

[narrow folio]

does the delay include potions?

[hard axle]

for example, if u eat the sandwich and then don't eat anything else for 60s, does ur next eat still 9t delay

that penalty period should be short

[restive siren]

it wears off after 12s you cant prepot it

[hard axle]

and then it'll be fine

[chrome lantern]

You can't really prepot with it. You'd already be at full hp and you would wear off the bonus heal before you used it

[hasty shard]

i don't think we need more food items im ngl

id rather bandos brews

[austere mulch]

You could like

[minor whale]

That's what I mean, it's useless

[hasty shard]

especially after fishing items

[hard axle]

please, 125 melees

[austere mulch]

Eat during sote maze and then heal the second time with it

[hasty shard]

like lol rip marlins

[austere mulch]

Without getting the cd

[true talon]

facts we dont need anymore food items, we just got a sailing update that introduced way better food than what we currently have

[austere mulch]

Other than that, nowhere you’d use in in tobberton

[narrow folio]

remember you need to hit within 12s or whatever

[austere mulch]

And it’s not worth a slot for that

[narrow folio]

so u cant prepot it for long

[true talon]

why didnt the introduce any sailing QOL like traweling?

[tacit wharf]

traweling is in a fine place

[hasty shard]

oh so its not a prepot

lol???

[minor whale]

It's not anything

[narrow folio]

correct

[hard axle]

even better honestly

[restive siren]

its a trip prolonger for some melee bosses

[minor whale]

It's useful for uhhh
If you're low HP after first bloat down?

[restive siren]

it has uses

[hasty shard]

trawling has pluginscape now

so its ntb

[narrow folio]

no

[chrome lantern]

Oh I understand it now

[hasty shard]

also they fixed the wind boost shit

[narrow folio]

the fact you need to hit within a timer kills it

[chrome lantern]

I also was misreading "eat delay" as "attack delay"

[minor whale]

I'd rather just bring brews anywhere I'm gonna be worried about hp

[hasty shard]

they still gotta buff the xp though i refuse to believe marlins will hold value once redditors vote in leech sandwich

[winged mantle]

They should defo specify when the eat delay wears off

[true talon]

ok i havnt tried it yet, im still at frost dragons. i just seen it wasnt very good lol.

[minor whale]

Without needing to think about how I'm gonna get the most out of something that's at best half as good as a brew

[narrow folio]

ah yes 12 seconds

[restive siren]

they said "when eaten", seems specified

[chrome lantern]

It's 9t eat delay. It delays your attack by 2t but your next food by 9t

[narrow folio]

and potion?

[chrome lantern]

Uh

Actually probably not potion

[true talon]

14 sheets to go

[narrow folio]

cause u can eat a potion right after a shark

nvm if it works like karam

[winged mantle]

If you don't eat for however long

[chrome lantern]

Yeah honestly this is way stronger than I expected if that's what it does

[restive siren]

im not bringing brews to vard

[hard axle]

yup, other than that, I like this food a lot

[chrome lantern]

It just means you can't eat for the next 9t after you eat one

[ember token]

yeah idk why its causing so much confusion

[winged mantle]

If true dope

[chrome lantern]

Instead of 3t

[hard axle]

1. because it's not plain cooked fish
2. because it's a sandwich

[chrome lantern]

If that's true it's kinda insanely strong

[hard axle]

[narrow folio]

there's too many random conditions

[dawn jackal]

lmao i thought initially it meant you had a 9t delay on your next food item

[narrow folio]

it's old school. it should be simple.

[dawn jackal]

like you had to choke down the sandwich

[winged mantle]

Sandwiches are slow to eat

[minor whale]

Vard is a solid place to bring brews if you're camping
Lots of super combat drops to regen melee stats

[restive siren]

with that logic not a single raid would exist

[narrow folio]

this is a food item not a raid

[hasty shard]

i wouldnt say this is useful at vard cause usually you dont have to eat mid kill

i feel like the best use case is like
nex??

maybe

[chrome lantern]

I mean it's fairly reasonable to expect to eat mid-kill at vard

[winged mantle]

Not really - we're reading beyond what the text says

[narrow folio]

would be good at nex yes

[chrome lantern]

It's why Ancient godsword is so good there

[winged mantle]

As in "what does this look like in application"

[chrome lantern]

Or part of it at least

[hard axle]

that's why I want it to be added in at tob supply chest

[restive siren]

ok, burning claws, dclaws, atlatl, shadow, we have tons of complicated items

[hard axle]

because it's useful in between p1/p2 and p2/p3

[hasty shard]

i immediately voted no to these

[narrow folio]

look at every other food item to compare

this is like 3x as complicated

[hasty shard]

also to clarify something can be easy to understand and also complex as fuck

[minor whale]

Before this the most complex food item is "eat this then later it heals you more"

[chrome lantern]

The first few times I read it I thought it penalized your next food to have 9t attack delay which I actually thought balanced it really well

[restive siren]

turns out the game is getting more complicated because all the basics have been done in 50 variations

[frail bough]

reading hard

[winged mantle]

If doesn't say when the food eating 9 tic delay wears off if you don't eat for a time

[hasty shard]

and they can still do basics, or just not add overcomplex shit

[minor whale]

The food eating delay is not 9 ticks for your next food you eat

[chrome lantern]

It "wears off" when 9t after you ate the leech you are able to eat another food

[minor whale]

It means you can't eat your next food for 9 ticks

[narrow folio]

it's 9t until you can eat another food

[true talon]

quiver XD

[narrow folio]

but says nothing about potions

[hasty shard]

lowkey the food delay is nothing

[chrome lantern]

Honestly

[hasty shard]

the fact this is basically bis hard food and also a karambwan is wild

[narrow folio]

but you also have to successfully land a melee hit within 12s. what if you miss?

[minor whale]

It'll be not the best for pvp with that caveat and that's it really

[chrome lantern]

For healing 32 they should probably have 4t delay

Not 2

[hard axle]

you're not wrong in that they could just make a new tier of hard food that heals 40 outright, but... this is the same logic as saying pot of greed isn't busted

[winged mantle]

Why didn't they call it something else

[hasty shard]

there are ways to always land

[chrome lantern]

They wrote it the most accurate way reasonable tbh

[narrow folio]

can always have a string of bad rng and suddenly the heal is gone

[hasty shard]

the other half of that message

[chrome lantern]

It's just naturally not as explicit

[hasty shard]

i dont want new food flatout lol

besides bandos brews

[winged mantle]

I just woke up so I blame sleepy brain then

[hasty shard]

and like buffed forgotten brews tbh

[chrome lantern]

It's not clear because the terms are similar and it's hard to conceptualize

[narrow folio]

forgotten brews were forgotten about

[hasty shard]

they really shouldnt drain melees

[narrow folio]

arma brews drain melees no?

[chrome lantern]

If forgotten brews didn't drain melees they might be relevant

[hasty shard]

yeah but they also heal 44 a slot

[hard axle]

and?

[narrow folio]

oh yeah...its that damn prayer heal

[chrome lantern]

But heart is way too strong compared to non-heart options

[hard axle]

arma brew draining melees is irrelevant lmao

[hasty shard]

forgotten brews are prayer

[winged mantle]

Too many words to describe how a healing items works

[hard axle]

not prayer heal my guy...

hp heal

[hasty shard]

ranged is an actual useful stat to buff vs mage

[chrome lantern]

Forgotten brews

[winged mantle]

Ah yes the assumption that everyone lives in America

[hard axle]

[hard axle]

arma brews

[chrome lantern]

We were talking about both

[hard axle]

ik, but in his case, he was talking about arma brews

[narrow folio]

because it heals prayer and has brew in the name we must have a debilitating downside!

[hard axle]

[narrow folio]

Arma has normal range pots which boost the same. Forgotten has no alternative.

[hard axle]

honestly, just make forgottens 112

and then add bandos brews

[chrome lantern]

They would still suck at 112 if they still drain melee

I tried using them at PNM

It's pretty awful

[narrow folio]

main annoyance is no divine

melee and range have divine why not forgotten brew? magic pots exist but they're so lopsidedly bad

[chrome lantern]

wym

There's 0% chance anything from the summit poll fails lmao

[hard axle]

i'll take a no -10 melee heart lmao

[chrome lantern]

Things don't fail polls

[hard axle]

people are dumb when they downplay imbued heart not needing a divine

[winged mantle]

I think they could have worded it to

• upon eating a leechfin sandwich, you cannot consume food for the next 9 tics

[hard axle]

yeah, aside from teh wording

stuff like this passes all the time

[narrow folio]

and what about pots?

[hard axle]

aquanite hopper

is prime example

[narrow folio]

you can brew right after a shark but not eat another shark but you can eat a karambwan

[hasty shard]

can they change leechfins to be an overheal karambwan instead please and make it an xp method

[chrome lantern]

People will just see "oh new food" and vote yes and figure it out later, then complain that it's dumb and complicated

[frail bough]

idk it says it cant be used as a combo food

[hard axle]

oh another clarification

do pots count

[winged mantle]

Idk

[frail bough]

so definitely no shark first

[winged mantle]

They said consume so

[narrow folio]

so 9t of absolutely no other food (or pots)

[winged mantle]

🤷🏼‍♀️

[hard axle]

if it was just hard food

that would be really good

[chrome lantern]

Yknow that is a valid question

[hard axle]

cuz u can brew-scb

still

[chrome lantern]

Can I leech pot bwan

[narrow folio]

right

[winged mantle]

I think it is but don't want to be disappointed

[hard axle]

it would be bwan-pot

it's not actually a bwan

just a 2t manta

[narrow folio]

they might have meant you cannot eat it right after a shark like a karambwan

[chrome lantern]

Yes I mean

[hard axle]

no no, i get you

[chrome lantern]

Do the normal triple eat

With the leech as the first

[hard axle]

can't

it says it specifically cantb e used to combo

wait actually

[chrome lantern]

The way I read the statement is that it isn't the bwan part of the combo

[hard axle]

another thing they could clarify

cuz for halibut they did clarify it was a bwan upgrade

[winged mantle]

They mention bwan as attack delay

Right?

[chrome lantern]

Yeah that's what I mean

[narrow folio]

bwans have an attack delay of 2

[hasty shard]

ngl if you need to eat under 9 ticks after a 32 heal ur washed

[hard axle]

similar to a Karambwan

[winged mantle]

Yar

[hard axle]

not necessarily in order

[narrow folio]

so do they mean it has an atk delay of 2 or it works as a bwan in a copmboeat