game-update

[restive storm]

nothing

[chrome lantern]

The MM1 change was made so that people didn't lose access to content by completing the quest, it wasn't made so that you could gain access to stuff that you couldn't get already on a pure. You could already use Ape Atoll or equip a dscim on a pure

[restive storm]

thats kinda been my whole point

[true talon]

nothing, same if pures could do all quests and skip exp. its just a bunch of people who are stuck in old ways that fear change, because they are not very bright or understand progression.

[brisk hill]

Idk what the paragraphs being typed are about when the issue is 2-3 def accs wanting to reset to 1

[true talon]

there are billions of those alive today.

[restive storm]

all i heard was "no" and 0 elaboration on that end

[brisk hill]

It just makes my head hurt!

Also since no one answered

[restive storm]

yeah idk man, gagek needs to just integrity change it in at this point

• add the lock for non-quest xp

[brisk hill]

It’s about 304 hours to get 99 str on a 60 atk pure

[restive storm]

its actually ridiculous they have the tech from dmm and just wont do it

[brisk hill]

THanks!

[true talon]

you can already do this, the side effect is becoming lvl 3 and losing 20m

[true talon]

I mean your still wrong so have a fun time at work.

[brisk hill]

You weren’t allowed to return to ape atoll as a pure before the mm1 changes

Idk why this matters

[scarlet dawn]

Yop, now you can visit mm2 caves - thanks 😄

[brisk hill]

Just let ppl go back to 1 def if under a certain threshold

[restive storm]

and then lock it there so we dont gotta keep dealing w/ it lol

[brisk hill]

Like the theory crafting behind what would break by allowing ppl to do this is nonsensical

[true talon]

just allow quest exp to be rejectable an all issues are solved. never need to worry about it when designing content ever again.

you already have gear restrictions for power

dont need unwanted quest xp keeping players from interacting with your game

[restive storm]

as if we needed to worry about pures being too powerful in the modern day anyway

[round lintel]

It was never Jagex not wanting to do this, it was polled and didnt pass

[true talon]

meanwhile pures gained a dragon defender that also gives prayer

[brisk hill]

But no chiv

[scarlet dawn]

Why did rs3 have a stat reset then

[restive storm]

budget rigour/aug.... but cant have chivalry

[brisk hill]

Only passed for the irons bro

[round lintel]

Because is a different game

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-patrick-star-thinking-hmmm-intense-gif-5454670

[brisk hill]

Wasn’t for PvP lets be real lol

[restive storm]

v true

[brisk hill]

Can’t wait for ironmen to wanna reset def xp

Omg

Squintz that’s the play

You have to convince the irons

[restive storm]

an offensive armor that isnt allowed to be worn if youre defense is too high

[round lintel]

Idk the big deal of these ruined accts to have it easy for a mistake the acct owner did

[true talon]

wait lets do this, so i can lower my maxed iron to 60 attack 1 defense and already have all my pvm gear

[round lintel]

Just make a new acct

Git gud

[brisk hill]

A mistake could be a misclicking your gmaul

[restive storm]

no

i misclicked a gmaul 1 time

not remaking

[brisk hill]

And 300 hours getting 99 str

Just “restart” is your advice?

😭

[scarlet dawn]

High risk high reward amiright

[round lintel]

Then live with it, was your mistake

[brisk hill]

😭

[restive storm]

im asking jagex to improve their game so this doesnt happen

[brisk hill]

A misclick

[true talon]

you know there is a plugin called attack styles that hides it

[restive storm]

why are we against that?

[restive storm]

RL didnt even exist when i got 3 def back then

[round lintel]

How has Jagex fault you "Misclicked"?

[brisk hill]

😭 😭

This guy doesn’t pk

[restive storm]

why are ironmen allowed to misclick items on the ground and NOT lose their ironmen status?

because that would be stupid right

[true talon]

I feel your pain squinttz when i was on my lvl 83 pure with 89 agility and 1900 total i dds speced a bot on defense an hit 0 0

[brisk hill]

Hell of a comparison

[true talon]

then i got the hide styles lol

[restive storm]

but a damn good one innit

[round lintel]

Your comparison does not have the same background. Idk why you think it has the same concept.

[restive storm]

its exactly the same concept wdym

there were just guardrails put in place to prevent it, because it makes sense to do so

[brisk hill]

If Jagex didn’t want 1 def accs idk why they’d give them a knock off dragon defender

Just let pures reset

No one has a good reason why not lol

[round lintel]

Is not, you misclick an attack option on ypur account and someone leaving something on the ground you clicked on two different things.

[restive storm]

its literally both just misclicking something

just 1 had preventative measures put in place

[round lintel]

Is like if you told me. Yeah lets make hcim their status back

[restive storm]

and we want that to be had for the other

[restive storm]

no man its nothing like that -.-

[minor whale]

There used to not be guardrails for some of these things
And people who abused it got deironed
It's a faulty comparison
I'm all for ways of limiting what xp you get, ie can't do actions that give that xp
But I don't want to reset xp just like I wouldn't want someone to be re-Hardcored because they made a mistake on a new content release and accidentally died

[restive storm]

but every person who has no idea what theyre talking about loves to try and say that

[round lintel]

Same thing

[minor whale]

As soon as people say "The hiscores!" it becomes an apt comparison

The only difference between normal and hcim is the hiscores where you died or not

[round lintel]

The xp removal was polled and didnt pass

[brisk hill]

At first I didn’t understand the comparison but I guess I see it

[round lintel]

There had been many things like that

[minor whale]

Sometimes hardcores make a mistake and die on new content release

It's the exact same as making a mistake on a pure and oopsy your account type 'died'

[restive storm]

id only agree this makes sense if original unofficial ironmen were grandfathered in ironman status

which they werent, so it doesnt make sense

that did happen w/ pures however

[minor whale]

Didn't you already have 2 def when the hiscores were released

[true talon]

Sometimes i complete chambers and the chest is white, jagex should fix this issue

[restive storm]

thats what im saying man back THEN it didnt matter

and then they made the highscores so then it DID matter

pure high scores werent a fresh thing that everyone started from tutorial island

[round lintel]

Fr where are the purples???

[minor whale]

Wouldn't that mean you would have been someone who was a self-imposed iron who then traded and when they released Ironman you'd be complaining you're not on the hiscores if others made it?
Nobody who made an ironman before it was official could be verified to have followed those rules

[true talon]

Anyways, they should put quest reward exp decline up to vote an i bet it would pass with majority of support.

[minor whale]

Pures you can verify they don't have 1 def by just looking at stats

[true talon]

because its not something that effects anyone tbh

[brisk hill]

Right but now we’re talking about items compared to def lvl.

[true talon]

it benefits people more so than hurts

[restive storm]

yeah the two arent really equivalent lol

one is crazily progressing thru the game, the other is having 2/3 def vs 1

which literally makes no difference lol

[brisk hill]

We are talking about like 100 xp lol

I think ppl get lost in the sauce about this topic fr

No one wants broken ironmen or w/e

2 def pures just wanna go back to 1

[restive storm]

yeah, i just think the HC ironman thing is a really really bad comparison

[minor whale]

It's easy to just deny any argument against something you want by saying "It's not really equivalent actually"
Sorry man but they've polled it twice and it failed harder the 2nd time
I'd support locking xp by preventing actions but don't support resetting xp in any way

[brisk hill]

I get the hi scores issue

[restive storm]

when thinking about what the game mode is actually predicated on

[round lintel]

I mean lately new quests for cb xp rewards they have been giving xp lamps where u can destroy it and reclaim whenever so idk whats the deal

[oblique mesa]

High scores are a joke anyway, rendi is on the same high scores as non rendis

[true talon]

yep thats what i said, they already set the tone for the future. so why would they leave the past in a broken state?

[minor whale]

Yeah I mean

[restive storm]

they are a joke tbf, but at least its something to do

game has no content otherwise 🙁

[brisk hill]

But like we are comparing a game mode where you’re forced to progress yourself & an acc that someone accidentally got 130 xp they didn’t mean to

[minor whale]

This is fair too
There's accounts on the Hiscores that can never be beat because the methods to get on there no longer exist

[round lintel]

If it doesnt make any difference then why you care?

[brisk hill]

Doesn’t rly make sense to me

[restive storm]

bored man, why do you care that I do NOT reset it?

[true talon]

rendi is a content creator, if he wasnt then he would be a nobody. as no1 would care about him on high scores.

there are players who arent content creators who have done insane things that no1 talks about

i didnt even know who port khazard was

Rendi likes breaking the game, for content as its his job to do so and its also unique.

[round lintel]

Not that anyone cares but you are typing in a public space where it has been pointed out this has been polled and didnt pass, you keep asking for it, so we give you our opinions, im not trying to change your mind. While we are at it lets bring duel arena back I want it again. We all have things we want but we wont get

[restive storm]

I mean THAT caused legal issues lol, me going back to 1 def wouldn’t cause jagex legal issues

[brisk hill]

I’m so down to chuck my sets

[true talon]

i think duel arena put up to vote would fail massively lol

[restive storm]

As for the polling it barely failed by like 2% lol

[brisk hill]

I’ll go rn

[restive storm]

Run it again a la vls

[brisk hill]

I agree once things get polled & failed they should never be discussed again!

[restive storm]

Actually don’t even run it again

Just integrity it in who really cares

[minor whale]

It failed twice though and got less support the 2nd time

[scarlet dawn]

There are possibly no valid reasons why a def reset shouldnt exist. Im glad to hear otherwise.

[minor whale]

It's not a game balance issue they're not just gonna integrity it

[restive storm]

I promise you 0 people would complain if it was put in the game tomorrow

[minor whale]

That's extremely incorrect lmao

[brisk hill]

Ehh idk about that l0l but I wanna know what it would break

[oblique mesa]

Brother have you seen the amount of tylenol in here alone

[brisk hill]

No one has an example though

[restive storm]

(they honestly probably wouldnt even know it happened)

just dont put in in a blog either

[brisk hill]

What would break if pures were allowed to reset defense

[minor whale]

It's got negative support even in here which gives a 👍 to everything

[restive storm]

yeah i mean this server isnt exactly a fantastic representation of the playerbase tho lol

[round lintel]

Nothing but your heart personally is broken by noy having xp reset being a thing

[true talon]

indeed, they complain about a single pixel being out of place

[brisk hill]

Condescending much?

[chrome pier]

Are we gonna get a update to the pvp arena to show us current points? The only way to show the current points earned is to go back to normal game worlds

[brisk hill]

Thanks i guess

[round lintel]

I dont mean to

[brisk hill]

I play the same game as you

👍

[round lintel]

100% I dont mean to be like that

[brisk hill]

Understood fella

But I am asking genuinely

[small anvil]

Reset an entire account should exist rabble rabble

[brisk hill]

I don’t have a pure that’s ruined by def lvls I am personally a true hardened gamer & have 1 def

But I don’t see what would change so drastically

[restive storm]

tbf we put "skull prevention" in the game to prevent people from getting skull tricked, and quitting, so why not prevent this as well?

[small anvil]

I think I'd fall more along the lines of where etube was

[round lintel]

Hate this feature

[restive storm]

brother my bank would be over 100b if it wasnt in the game rn

[small anvil]

To not allow mistakes to be fixed but do allow XP prevention going forward

[restive storm]

id vote no just cuz its cringe

[brisk hill]

Por qué no los dos?

[small anvil]

Meh it's better than negative XP lamps imo

[restive storm]

(i wouldnt actually) but it is really cringe

[brisk hill]

Why not both!

[restive storm]

def just do both lol

[small anvil]

Like I get you want it for your account

[round lintel]

I am a firm believer of own to your mistakes, the skull prevention os a dumb thing in my opinion.

[restive storm]

bro nobody in osrs has owned their mistakes in like a decade

thats y we pay 500k on death and dont lose all our stuff now when we afk and die lol

[small anvil]

Gravestones are amazing for encouraging people to do content

Like a way better design choice

[round lintel]

I used to deathmatch alot one time i miscliked and drank a brew the other guy didnt even notice I can tell cuz started to question mark me when I went to a safezone. I traded my stuff right away to him

[minor whale]

They should add XP prevention and XP reduction lamps as well as add a button to click that unskulls you in the Wildy if you didn't mean to skull up 🧠

[round lintel]

I lost

[brisk hill]

Just own it. They know our true motives. We want pures with b gloves!

You got us.

[dawn jackal]

me personally i love the worlds not being ddos'd all the time

[small anvil]

When risk makes people not play it's bad for the game

[restive storm]

ur right mb lemme go remake a new pure rn

[brisk hill]

See you in May when you get 99 str beast

[minor whale]

Nobody actually wants pvm to lose your shit again if afk

[restive storm]

what would i even bother to do on said pure? i dont actually know cuz theres no content anyway

[idle rapids]

No it’s because of DDoSing

[minor whale]

It's always something people trot out to make some random point

[idle rapids]

We can’t have it where you drop your stuff if you die cause people were just DDoSing each other and the servers to steal peoples stuff

[restive storm]

skill issue just dont afk

[minor whale]

I sure do love bossing in suboptimal gear that makes anything worth more than a few mil completely worthless because dcing 1 time erases a hundred hours of content you've done

[brisk hill]

I remember being 10 and someone dying for their dragon armor next to me dude I was pogging

[true talon]

this feature is why i quit skull tricking on my pure, but its also why i havnt lost a ton on my ironman XD then again with the ability to hide player attack options, id never really skull on my iron anyways (except when using multi spells/ven bow)

[round lintel]

The othee day i was at Yama, killed it but it looks like on the last hit it poisoned me, I had to do some work stuff on my other monitor when I heard me dying, I was crying laughing

[true talon]

Without player skull prevention, you basically couldnt use venator bow at all in the wildy

or barrage

[restive storm]

i mean this ironmeme didnt think he was gonna skull either

but back to moons for him

[brisk hill]

I was in a clan a long time ago. My clan leader was using claws in wildy. He banked in edge & went afk, but was poisoned. Long story short fella died for claws in edge bank

Lovely story

[true talon]

these people are idiots, they must just not have it on at all, i highly doubt they are fighting back........

[round lintel]

I picked an ags back in bounty hunter w at edge

I was using a tent and guy teled like 20 hp

Guess he went afk when I teled to edge i saw the loot pile but no one picking it up

So i guess he died and I got the kill credit

[brisk hill]

Yoink!

[dawn jackal]

i dunno how you implement negative xp without it being abusable for restricted accounts and also not being a clusterfuck of rules

[restive storm]

cap it at -500xp ez

its not supposed to be used for like building weird accounts

[true talon]

most people who want it, just want to undo mistakes. i dont feel like it can be abused on an restricted account.

the abuse can also be fixed by just allowing rejection of quest exp

as thats the only case it can be abused

[dawn jackal]

so we have 2 rules now

idk

[true talon]

no1 is going to use it to remove their defense unless they already did like nature spirit to get fairy rings an then -xp lamp their defense back to 1

[restive storm]

huh?

[dawn jackal]

i'm in favor of someone who gmauls themselves to 3 defense having some way to go back to 1 defense if only becuase i wont have to hear about it

[restive storm]

AMEN

if it ever happens i promise u ill shut up about it

[dawn jackal]

but also its an ugly solution that you have to immediately add at least 2 qualifiers to this

and probably more

[true talon]

i dont really see it as a big deal or need to be difficult to obtain - xp lamps

[restive storm]

i mean the quantifiers are just to prevent abuse like you said, i couldnt care less if theres no rules

[true talon]

i dont really get why it needs to be protected or placed behind a ton of restrictions

the people using it will go to 1 defense an then thats it

[scarlet dawn]

I'd say your acc has to have a clean sheet

And only once per acc

[restive storm]

• lock it once it reverts for the love of god

[dawn jackal]

just one small example, you need 10 defense to complete the desert hard. i'm not sure there's any reason for a pure to do the desert diary but if there was the meta would have to become get 10 defense then lamp it back and thats pretty hideous

im sure you can pull 15 such examples from the game

[restive storm]

lamp back to what? like 6 defense? lol

would that really matter lol

[dawn jackal]

if there were no restrictions

you'd just lamp back to 0

or 1 whatever

[restive storm]

oh if there were no restrictions

[dawn jackal]

this is why there needs to be restrictions in the first place

[restive storm]

i mean do we care ab gatekeeping Desert Hard Diary ?

[true talon]

i mean yea, but thats just a restriction put in place for no real reason.... like ok you need 10 defense to do this diary? kinda silly you kno

[dawn jackal]

dont miss the forest through the trees

just an example

training to 99 str you'd go nab yourself some defense levels for gear and then lamp it back

[scarlet dawn]

you might just be allowed in a clan with 5 def max, slight leniency I'd say

[dawn jackal]

so there has to be some restrictions or the gamplay is hideous

[restive storm]

this is why i say limit it to 500xp

which doesnt seem like a crazy limitation

(given that 99% of the game never needs to know this item exists)

[dawn jackal]

funniest thing you could do is spam your chats with 99 notifications

hmm probably not the funniest thing you could do

[restive storm]

i mean id assume its a 1 time use

so like you could do that once lol

[oblique mesa]

Nah it shouldn't be one time use, sometimes dumb stuff happens like attack styles get bugged or w.e

If its going to exist just make it exist

[scarlet dawn]

Perhaps being able to reset the max hit averagely can be done, albeit unpractical in coding.

[restive storm]

i mean thats where they should also let you lock it too

[oblique mesa]

100% should be able to lock all the combat skills

Like that crazy snowflake account who got magic xp from making the sailing amulet

[restive storm]

yea its just people wanting to grief others at this point lol

[idle rapids]

Did they end up removing exp from affected accounts for that? I know they did for the attack style bug

[restive storm]

no

[oblique mesa]

Yup or when you could troll people with the horn to make skillers get combat xp

[idle rapids]

Good, they should be training at varrock museum the good ol fashioned way

[scarlet dawn]

I've been trying to find a blog about this but no hits so far, have you got something about this?

When you brought that up I am sure I heard about it, but it has been so long lol

[idle rapids]

Yeah thats probably tough since its years old at this point

[scarlet dawn]

That too

[idle rapids]

let me see if i can find it rq

[oblique mesa]

I don't think so for the amulet, I imagine the guy would have posted on reddit for internet points if they rolled it back

I saw that making the amulet got stealth changed to not give magic xp

[idle rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWNHOJ1dcPM

skip to 1;30

[scarlet dawn]

Yeah Im not sure if we're speaking about the same thing. The thing is that the attack style is actually on 'attack', so STR isnt red i.e. Nvm I think the vid addresses this between 2:08 - 2:13.

[idle rapids]

Yeah I saw some people saying "oh you shouldve tested on your main before making it" which is kinda true but also, if jagex just reverted the affected accounts i doubt many wouold be opposed to it

[restive storm]

i mean that kinda stuffs just silly man, theres really no reason for it

[dawn jackal]

it's definitely mostly pvp hate why people don't want -xp lamps it is hard to come up with valid reasons

[restive storm]

yea, thats kinda why i get miffed about it, failiing by 2% and im positive that without just pvp spiite it was passing

[dawn jackal]

i just wish someone came up with a very elegant sounding solution instead of a lamp that has restrictions to use but overall not a big deal

[restive storm]

i mean

the -500xp from BH really wasnt a big deal lol

i have no idea how it could be seen as such

[tough nacelle]

The ability to go into ferox enclave and speak to an ancient zaros wizard

and have them lock your xp

or trade in your combat skills for bones

because they want the experience of warriors in combat

[restive storm]

i mean is it any dumber than talking to perdu rn and getting a random giant chunk of xp from prior quests?

[tough nacelle]

to help their lords rise again

[tough nacelle]

I dunno he has a big bag

[limber creek]

i want more ways for pures to ruin their accounts not the other way around

Give defence exp randomly on crossbow shot.

[oblique mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-cooking-hold-up-gif-5382607284931131048

[restive storm]

cmon man dont make me vote against multi revs

i dont want to do it but i will

[brisk hill]

Trust, the degen pkers don’t even know diaries help them in the wild. It would be Reddit lads w/ trophy accs & 0 motivation to pk

But this is the kind of theory crafting I expected when I asked what would break

[restive storm]

mfw i was zcb masori focusing won the main w/ no kandarin diary done

[scarlet dawn]

desert amulet saves me from thirsty pkers

[oblique mesa]

Fremmy boots 4 are manditory for ragging

[restive storm]

ALL diary gear except banner is mandatory for ragging

and blessing ig

forgot that was even a thing

[brisk hill]

Ngl

-500 xp does break something @restive storm

You’d be able to get varrock medium armor

[oblique mesa]

Nah dark squal robes crept those

[restive storm]

do not say varrock armor 2 on a pure man or im gonna SCREAM

[brisk hill]

l0000”

My b

[scarlet dawn]

😄

[brisk hill]

Free steel armor on 1 def?

Not today!

[restive storm]

its only the BODY man who CARES

[scarlet dawn]

-500 xp is huge though, how can you mistakenly get 500?

[brisk hill]

If you do souls bane

Which is literally 500xp

L0l

[restive storm]

i have i think like 260 or so from a giant triple maul?

that green dragon bot didnt know what hit him

[brisk hill]

3 def hit him 😭

[restive storm]

bro....

i just want 1 jmod to ruin an account somehow so they know the pain

cmon they already got skull tricked just screw something else up too

[scarlet dawn]

::resetdef

[restive storm]

i do definitely meme about it a lot, but i fr outside of skull tricking and sunk cost fallacy kill vetion

i havent played my pure in about 3 years

just cuz of the 3 def

(sailing excluded had to max)

[limber creek]

i wonder if who skulltricked a jmod got banned lmao

[restive storm]

yeah idk, godspeed to whatver earth warrior impersonator that was

idk tho it def does make me kinda vindicative w/ the pvp hate tho

like i definitely feel myself being more excited to have some random pvmer quit the game cuz they got skulltricked so theres 1 less No voter

but i dont particularly love that feeling

there just legit feels like theres no other way to actually get a pvp update lol

[scarlet dawn]

you wouldnt want that pvmer to quit cos food chain bla bla 😄

[dawn jackal]

probably depressing squared that any update is more likely to make the gameplay worse

[restive storm]

i mean there is no food chain rn tbf, so i dont really care

[limber creek]

im still fw exploding seeds lol.

[restive storm]

i wouldnt go hit an unskulled pvmer anyway

[limber creek]

Wont fix hug logging but still

[restive storm]

so why would i care if they quit lol

[limber creek]

sometimes i hit unskullers just to see what they're gonna try to anti me with lol.

Oh full barrows and a dinhs. How original

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

[restive storm]

I mean I almost exclusively hit unskullers cuz they’re gonna risk the most if they have skull prev off, but once you get them the jig is kinda up and they’re not gonna fall for it again

(Bar one noob who I’ve skull tricked four times the same way somehow)

[brisk hill]

Oh bibi I don’t think you would’ve f2p pked back in the 80’s if rune rocks hadn’t existed!!

[scarlet dawn]

I still would. Never went rr honestly. Low wildy, fog, ca, sperm hill, hills were packed enough.

Imo I'd even vote to remove rr

[harsh herald]

what unlock would a 1 def pure benefit from doing a souls bane? its not a pre-req for any quest, the med varrock diary is worse than the easily obtainable mining gloves and the grand exchange tele is available on the ring of wealth. like how would it tangibly make the account better for pvm / pvp or skilling?

[scarlet dawn]

Hi hank, are you replying to the correct message?

[brisk hill]

None really imo. It is better armor than what normal 1 defs have, so you could make the case that it’s a disadvantage blah blah.

The context was trying to find out what “broke” if we allowed pures who messed their up their def lvlto go back to 1. This was the only thing I could find that “broke” in my 2 mins of research

But even then, I’m sure there could be a def req added to the varrock body

[harsh herald]

in fact, i dont even think varrock diaries would be able to be completed

you'd still need 153 kudos for another requirement which i dont believe you can achieve with 1 def

actually never mind, you probably could with finds / relics

even still, yeah, just add a defence requirement to the body but theres no pure that it going to waste an account saving lamp on completing a useless quest lol

[restive storm]

wym bro? outside of vetion, maxing sailing and skull tricking i have legit not done a single thing on my pure in probably more like 4 years lol

[restive storm]

add a def requirement cuz no pure would care anyway lol

[harsh herald]

wouldnt be surprised if they reworked the diaries as a whole anyways, terribly outdated content now

[restive storm]

yea, idk, this is one of those things id love to hear an actual JMods take on, cuz i dont really know what their stance would be

like "does it make a difference" the answer really is No, but would they have the guts to say it idk lol

[harsh herald]

they should just bite the bullet and say that diaries are reworked every 3 years to update for new content

otherwise they will get to 2030 with diary content from 2015

[scarlet dawn]

Sounds fair tbh

Or a new district diary

[harsh herald]

probs controversial but if they made they combat achievement style, they'd be far easier to update

[true talon]

GG we dry

[scarlet dawn]

At least youve got 10.000 bones!

[true talon]

once they finally allow me to chip them into d darrows or darts ill be happy with this

[icy relic]

did you bank them

[true talon]

every single 1

[icy relic]

nice

[true talon]

35 more sheets or visage whatever comes first

[icy relic]

I look at my stack of 4k bones and it's worth diddly squat but I still do it out of compulsion

[true talon]

its worth a bond atleast

[icy relic]

Eh, I'm not a brokie

hold and cope for dragon arrowtips I guess

[true talon]

one can hope

probably wont hppen, but its such a good idea

[meager flame]

i honestly was thinking about finishing the visage/sheets grind

but decided if i was gonna waste my time i was really gonna waste it

so i've just been at corp

[tribal crater]

Who ever try pg

I'm down for games

[tacit wharf]

[true talon]

as someone doing it, i say skip it an wait lol.

im mainly doing it, so i can hold off going to chambers of scameric and maybe get a visage

[round lintel]

@true talon how long did it take you to get all 16 ray barbs and the narwhal knives for catching marlins?

[true talon]

Also i had 37k diamond bolts an never get to use my DHCB so it was chance to use it

[true talon]

ive not done any of this

[round lintel]

for some reason i thought you were the iron in here catching marlins

who's the other iron we got here?

[true talon]

The goal was to get max boat an then focus on the marlin fishing

but ive also been holding out for changes

i think traweling might get some QOL

[tacit wharf]

i used about 6k mith cballs , i think it was for the ray barbs (was on rate)

[true talon]

Do you even need the narwhal knife

the chum spreader seems useless

[tacit wharf]

faster to cut yr fish up with

[round lintel]

i dont even know how to catch em

so idk what u need

[true talon]

i just know you need a rosewood boat an cotton nets

[tacit wharf]

but yes u can get away with out the best chum spreader

[round lintel]

a rosewood boat??

[tacit wharf]

yes

well u can use camphor but u will miss some time at shoals

[true talon]

Manly the hull and the sails

the keel and stuff dont matter

[tacit wharf]

rune helm, addy keel

[true talon]

SO to make a rosewood boat you need 600 dragon nails

[round lintel]

damn that would take a min specially cuz im not 94 smithing

[true talon]

which is a lot of frostys lol

[icy relic]

Yeh I have two rosewood ships

[tacit wharf]

can boost the boat and sails

[icy relic]

One skiff one sloop

[tacit wharf]

and 1 raft

[true talon]

the freaking keel is 64 sheets

jagex are loony

[tacit wharf]

better 64 and not 128

[icy relic]

Hopefully the time to complete botes is more reasonable after we get a sailing boss

It's really gross right now

[true talon]

shame because the effort put into a max boat or the money from a main

you literally get nothing from it

[tacit wharf]

cuz they said u wouldnt yet

[bronze kernel]

To be fair, you can get away with just a rune keel on the fishing boat

There are some routes that are much more safe

[true talon]

yea you can

rune keel is fine

but the fact dragon is 64 sheets is still insane lol

[icy relic]

It's not about whether or not it's worth it

[bronze kernel]

Although we need to see how ship combat is being reworked first

[icy relic]

People want the best stuff because they can

[round lintel]

I think 5-7k Marlins is all i ever need for my next pvm adventures

[bronze kernel]

Since I'm sure the keel and boats will definitely be impacted

[true talon]

well you also need to cut them up for extended stamina's

[round lintel]

so im not sure if its even worth for me to do 10k frost dragons

[true talon]

3 scales per fish

[true talon]

if you go on rate its 17600 frost dragons XD

[round lintel]

yeah but 1 stam per cox run all i need

[round lintel]

been only killing them on task

[icy relic]

1 sip is all you need

[bronze kernel]

Dragon nails being as rare as they are is also a travesty

[true talon]

extended is great not only does it cut your stamina' usage but it gives 4 mins and 40 restore to run

worth making by far

[icy relic]

It doubles your supply of stams

[round lintel]

This is the final loook from Yama

[true talon]

ya thats what i meant lol

[round lintel]

30 Duos

[icy relic]

Crazy luck

[true talon]

ya i got 897 oathplate shards 1725 kills

[round lintel]

im not thaaat good on solo olm so i normally use 1 1/2 stams with lance

[true talon]

i got the legs 1 shard drop from having to craft 2

i rolled 5 helms XD

[bronze kernel]

You cut more fish into offcuts per tick. It's more of a luxury QoL. But the knife is like what? 150K? It's dirt cheap and worth the pocket change

[round lintel]

we are irons

[true talon]

its a bigger issue to ironmen as we need to grind it

[icy relic]

Chum spreader is pretty good

[bronze kernel]

Still regardless, it's a luxury QoL. Can easily skip it

[true talon]

I havnt done any trawling as i been at this stupid frost dragons for like 2 weeks now

[round lintel]

thats what I like to read

[true talon]

its not hard to get though, you just need 1 from narwhals

[round lintel]

send loot tracker

[true talon]

Ive been on a dry streak for sheets im just barely under rate ( i was giga spooned lol)

[round lintel]

Me all on task

[bronze kernel]

How many KC you getting per hour?

[round lintel]

My final log

[true talon]

sheet hunting is way better on task, i just CBA and they kinda chill.

[round lintel]

no oathplate contract

[icy relic]

the chance to get the task is way too low

shit sucks

[round lintel]

oh im not really hunting them normally ive been getting all my slayer stuff back so ive had like 4 tasks total

[true talon]

ya i wasnt about to aya skip for tasks lol

[round lintel]

while doing slayer

[icy relic]

and boosting for tasks fucks your nail rate

nails are more important than sheets

[true talon]

ya you need like 800 nails

[warm storm]

all depends on what you want to build

[true talon]

I want to build max boat like a max end game account should.....

[icy relic]

sheet upgrades don't do anything rn

[round lintel]

to max on my iron i will need max barracudas boat

[icy relic]

rosewood hull is a massive boost to cargo, trials, and trawling

[round lintel]

i will get max big boat for cb and salvaging

[icy relic]

and getting around the map in general

[round lintel]

and i also need a decent one for marlin catching

idc about the bottle storms

[true talon]

yep and rosewood mass an cotton sails

[icy relic]

your salvaging/combat ship is the one you don't need rosewood on

cuz you don't need to move

[true talon]

those 2 things you need to make with d nails

Ya i want to make a trawling boat

[round lintel]

you need less repair kits 🙁

if you have rosewood on your cb ship

[icy relic]

ackshually

[round lintel]

im not halving my kills per hrs trying to safespot every single monster

[meager flame]

idk last time i tried to really tank stuff in my ship

my ship was catching an ass whooping that made the time to make the repair kits a real issue lol

idk summit will save us

thats my cope

[round lintel]

i mean for things like krakens yea

but i was doing bounty tasks on my main post 99 for pet

i would really only use them for krakens

narwhals and albatross hit 0s on rosewood

and orcas barely hit

[round lintel]

im almost 20m mining xp i think im dry of mining pet already

if the chance of it at amethyst is 1/44k

[loud bolt]

I can't complete a game of skullball for a clue.

anyone else having this issue?

[idle rapids]

Idk but you should be Sherlock skipping that step anyways @loud bolt

[round lintel]

Does anyone know which port I can get Manta Ray bounty task?

[kind tide]

How does Sherlock Skipping work?

[loud bolt]

Oh I read this and I really should. I just got full graceful from a master is that skippable?

[severe coyote]

Don't think master clue sherlocks are skippable if you want to keep a good 3 stepper

[static owl]

Is it not about time that jagex add a "solo" option for the door at wintertodt, as an iron that prefers to grind slower xp doing solo's for more rewards/cons xp it's really annoying having people join the room and crash the kill, just to be toxic.

[ember grove]

It'd be nice, but they're weird about instances so 🤷‍♀️

[static owl]

they did it for Tempoross

[vivid ruin]

Soloscape need their own servers is the real solve

They can then turn those servers into cheesescape as well

[scarlet dawn]

OSRS campaign mode

Would avoid so much trouble...

Offline but still needing to pay to access p2p (just like paying for DLCs)

Botting etc. all allowed (just like installing mods)

[vivid ruin]

Yep. Dont like drop rates that benifit the integrity of the main game that has a grand exchange and thousands of players farming the same stuff? Play iron

Want to solo everything? Play iron. Maybe they can nerf tob too

[limber creek]

People already solo tob the methods are out there. Not saying i can do it. But some people can and do lol.

[gritty briar]

Sounds like leagues

[vivid ruin]

Nah leagues is busted. Just single player mode for this MMORPG

Itd simultaneously remove a lot of items from main game which is another plus

[shadow wave]

The todt room is so large that there are technical issues with an instance that big. It would mean a lot of work for a minigame that isn't really a huge draw for a very small section of the community.

[true talon]

They tried this with project zanris and scrapped it.

[restive storm]

Feels like they didn’t even really scrap zanaris lol, they just restricted who can ask them to make worlds (content creators)

[true talon]

It wasn’t a good idea anyways

Why you want to canablize your player base

[restive storm]

Agreed

[grim shore]

DMM BLOG?

[restive storm]

Soon™

[merry verge]

since they said by the end of the week in the last update post, that should mean either today or tomorrow

[rapid birch]

Hello! Does anyone know when we get sarachnis instances?

[restive siren]

pretty soon, no date as usual

[rapid birch]

cool, wasn't sure if I just missed it in the last update

[hard axle]

Ngl, I’m pretty disappointed about the silent nightmare patch

First time in YEARS that regular nightmare was popping off.

[sacred oracle]

What patch?

Oh, the bug fix for the mage defense lowering

[hard axle]

Yep. Kills weren’t substantially faster and drops weren’t coming into the game much faster than if all of us just sent PNM ngl.

[idle rapids]

You keep a good sherlock step in your bank (best one is activate chivalry) then juggle it while you're doing elite clues, if you get a step to see sherlock you can just grab the chivalry clue off the ground, activate it, drop that good clue and hand in the bad sherlock clue. Only works for elites

[small anvil]

Does it only work for elites or is it that there's better clues to keep banked for masters (triple step)

[restive siren]

should also work for masters

but triples are so much bigger of a timesave

[sacred oracle]

The same tech works more or less for masters, it's just that it doesn't work for master sherlock steps

Only for the cryptic (triple) steps

[restive siren]

it doesnt work for sherlocks?

thats strange

[sacred oracle]

Not for master clues, no

I think it has to do with how clue IDs/identities work

[idle rapids]

Yeah its some weird code thing

[sacred oracle]

I don't know the details, but probably @eager bone does

[idle rapids]

Can only sherlock skip elites

I just found out about some new clue tech yesterday

[sacred oracle]

It's a nice little time-save for elites, but mostly I like it because I absolutely hate the skull ball step

Yeah, I do that

I get a bunch of keys then watch them tick down

And procrastinate getting more until the very end, just like irl

[idle rapids]

I never knew that trick, I wish devs were as permissive with exploits in other areas of the game and not just clue scrolls lol

[sacred oracle]

I've often idly wondered if eventually that would be cleaned up, i.e., no more triple step saving, no more sherlock skipping

I don't think it's a priority for the devs, though. I'm also not sure they could easily fix it if they even wanted to, because it's wrapped up in the clue implementation

I'm not a J-Mod though, so I'm just speculating

[idle rapids]

I wouldn't write it off, they patched Brimhaven pressure pads after years of people frequently using them, and the ahrim's/mystic graphical glitch after years of that being well known

[sacred oracle]

I was really surprised they patched that graphical glitch

It seemed harmless and funny and people loved it

[idle rapids]

Me too, there was some popular youtuber (I think theoatrix?) who posted a guide on a few graphical glitches similar to that, one was getting multiple pets to follow you using temple trekking, the other ones in that video got fixed but not the ahrims/mystic

Also jagex made him take the vid down lol

[hasty shard]

erm sorry but bugs are objectively BAD!!!

[hasty shard]

this one is so fucking stupid btw

cause you can still spam click the other traps just fine

so they just decided to nerf brimhaven for no reason

[idle rapids]

Yeah they just slightly brought down the xp/hr 😆 I expected a patch to the floor spikes but maybe they gotta let that cook for another 5 years before deciding to patch it then we can move onto the next trap lol

[hasty shard]

wish they brought back diary cape brimhaven

would be nice to have something that is like slightly brain on from 50-92

[idle rapids]

Yeah I really enjoyed that method

[hasty shard]

hot take just remove triple steps

[shadow wave]

Oh did they hotfix Nightmare?

[eager bone]

I haven’t looked into the item ids for clues in a while so I could be wrong here, but in general the game is bad at differentiating items that have the same ID number from one another, which is why you can’t have different number of clues in separate master teleport scroll books and what allowed the hunter rumours kebbit fur swap to function. If I had to guess, all elite Sherlock’s share the same ID number while masters differentiate, or jagex did some back end fix for masters and didn’t do it for elites. But as I said before I haven’t looked at clue item ids in a while so I could be wrong

[meager flame]

i do think something is weird about it but it also wasn't really how it should've been

like

maybe they should've just changed the numbers so you could try to spec down or something reasonably each kill instead of it just staying that way forever

i feel like they just kinda missed the part where people were actually doing the boss/having fun and should've tried to save it somehow

[hard axle]

EXACTLY

holy fk

It wasn’t adding a ton of gear to the game at a much faster rate either

Since unlike the Yama chicken method, you still had to interact with mechanics

just less switches and drops are 1/66 COMBINED

the only flat rates were jar and pets, and despite that, plenty of irons hopped in to farm loot nex-style

We saw like 10 tradeable uniques over 30 hours total, and that’s not even fast

[meager flame]

yeah

i almost think its just because it was the nightmare specifically

they're weirdly gatekeepy about that boss and i've never understood it

[icy relic]

I mean we do understand it

They hallucinated a problem into existence

"OH we want to change it but it would be unfair to people who already grinded PNM"

Meanwhile every phosani greenlogger was like "fix this shit, I don't care about it getting devalued"

[meager flame]

i do think their logic when it comes to anything like that is 110% broken and nonsense

like

you don't want to devalue anything but

good game design should always supersede that

it should never be a reason to not make a good change to the game

[icy relic]

Too bad we play OSRS

[dawn jackal]

have they said this anywhere?

[meager flame]

yeah

unfortunately

[icy relic]

Yes

[dawn jackal]

do you happen to know where

[meager flame]

they had a lot of talks around devaluing the nightmare grinds and flex items and how they probably shouldn't have made it xyz etc

it was during and around the rebalance blog where they changed some nightmare stuff

all over the place on reddit etc

[icy relic]

They had the blessings of people who actually grinded PNM

But they still opted to listen to the voices in their head

[dawn jackal]

i guess i was mostly curious because i haven't heard them before talk about devaluing time spent in pvm

[meager flame]

you'll probably get v2 of the same conversation eventually

either about the nightmare again or corp

[hard axle]

Just fyi, pet is still worse hours from masses even with bugged ayak.

It can range from 50-100% more hours over pnm depending on how shit the kill times are (sub 3 vs sub 4).

It wasn’t broken at all, but made it chill enough that I could do work, finish chores, or play another acc 💀

130 hours of pnm versus 200-260 mass nm seems more than fair ngl.

[dawn jackal]

i haven't fought pnm so i'll hold on any actual discussion

just was interested because pvm is always getting devalued

in a way skilling doesn't

[meager flame]

generally the problem with both is that the drop rates were designed by satan

[dawn jackal]

so it's weird that's a concern

[meager flame]

and they just wont come off of it

[hard axle]

It’s been years, but still think they should lock it behind sotf and then double drop rates.

[dawn jackal]

i think overall it's fine that there's a boss with piss ass drop rates but again idk the specifics enough to really argue

[icy relic]

It's not just the uniques

[hard axle]

Ever since they added upgrade mechanisms, it doesn’t get devalued anymore

[meager flame]

it mostly comes down to the fact that both have incredible lengths of time to get anything but the items aren't worth it

[dawn jackal]

piss ass rates + a terrible fight is probably an awful combo though

[icy relic]

It also is a long ass fight and it also doesn't drop normal loot

[meager flame]

so the bosses just get left behind

[hard axle]

they just need to be consistent with upgrading

[icy relic]

And one mistake oneshots you

[dawn jackal]

new gear comes out all the time that devalues pvm

[icy relic]

It is so far beyond the realm of discussion

For a boss of that difficulty

[meager flame]

its funny too because in both cases

[icy relic]

To just drop nothing

[meager flame]

i think with reasonable rates they could be cool items to go for with a use if it came at the right time in your accounts progression

[icy relic]

And even when it does drop stuff it is mega niche gear

[meager flame]

but its basically just a graveyard to take your iron to one day a million years after you complete everything else

[icy relic]

I really want inq because I am a crush believer

[meager flame]

like inq and mace are actually good items

[icy relic]

But like I could probably get two megas in that time

[meager flame]

they're just not good enough for the time investment

most people going for them are probably wearing like torva and a scythe while they do it so its silly

[idle rapids]

not surprising since behemeth made a vid on it

Once an exploit gets that much attention say bye bye

[icy relic]

Inq's niche is already very slim

Made worse by oathplate

[meager flame]

like for example

inq should probably be something people are trying to collect between bandos and torva

but the game design just does not allow that

[icy relic]

Basically it has become the farm NM harder set

Eh

I think it deserves to be on the BiS tier like oath

[meager flame]

i honestly think oathplate is a mistake lol

[icy relic]

It is worth 1 whole DPS over bandos in my setup on PNM

[meager flame]

but oathplate does fit into that time period im describing its probably just too good

[idle rapids]

I agree and not just because I spent 1b on torva before getting all megas 😭

[icy relic]

After doing a lot more Yama I think it is fine, they just should have made reqs a bit higher

[meager flame]

but once you actually get there and look at the nightmare you have about 100 other options that are more impactful and easier to obtain

so inq just keeps getting pushed back further and further

until its something you're doing when theres nothing left

[dawn jackal]

this game is pretty horrified at putting any kind of gating requirements on content

[icy relic]

They did buff PNM rates to be around what, 10 EHB between drops

Which is similar to where Yama is

Except it is much harder to greenlog than Yama due to rarer individual drop rates and more things on the table

[open yoke]

Did they hotfix it? Do they publish that anywhere?

[dawn jackal]

time to green log i don't think should effect anything ever tbh

[idle rapids]

yes it was patched, that exploit got around 100k views so not surprising

[dawn jackal]

and not just because cloggers are stinky critters

[idle rapids]

Well even if you don't care about cloggers it just shows that the drops are too rare, especially for what they are

If there was some new boss that took 100 hours for each drop so consequentially 1200 hours to greenlog it would be an issue

[open yoke]

Views where? Was there a vid? Also do they say they patched it anywhere

[dawn jackal]

if the fight is fun and the rewards have a place in the game that should really be what matters

[small anvil]

It's partly cuz the drop table is a ton of items right

[idle rapids]

Behemeth posted a vid yes, and the patch was unannounced

[small anvil]

So they had to go super rare on individual items so that the overall drop frequency wasn't too high

[idle rapids]

They dont always announce patches

[small anvil]

It's full inq nm staff and orbs

And inq mace

That's like a raid worth of rare drops in one boss

[idle rapids]

Yea but I think the time to get one of those is still significantly longer than most other content

[small anvil]

I think that prob contributes to the feeling that it's a crazy low rate for things

[dawn jackal]

i don't really think it's an issue that pnm has a different drop table set up

the issue is the fight takes forever / isn't fun / weird point in progression

[icy relic]

Those things are all issues compounding one another

Jagex already tweaked some levers making it feel playable in its current state

[small anvil]

They made pnm like 25% faster no

And it's still an unattractive grind

[icy relic]

After making it faster and buffing rates

[small anvil]

Kinda goes to show how bad it was before

[hasty shard]

nightmares droptable is designed for like long trips and groups which is why it has stuff like the bass drop

but now you can just teleport right there and do it solo

so like ??

it doesn't actually fit the boss at this point

[icy relic]

It is still like 12 ehb between drops and a ridiculous greenlog time

[small anvil]

Ya it's so out of the way it was intended to be new age gwd I think

[hasty shard]

i dont mind the run but fkn redditors

their own dug grave

[icy relic]

Redditors virtue signaling so hard about how much they care about powercreep

[hasty shard]

REAL

[icy relic]

And just pitch the worst ideas over and over

[narrow folio]

The items are not strong enough for the difficulty of the boss and low drop rates

[icy relic]

Like SRA

[hasty shard]

they also just seem to hate the idea of giving them a use because it comes from nightmare

[icy relic]

Being like 30% worse than it is even its current state when it was pitched

[hasty shard]

harm just rarely ever works well anywhere

90% sure its not even good for nightmare anymore over ayak

[icy relic]

It's not

Not worth losing thralls and DC

[narrow folio]

Eldritch is actually useful

[hasty shard]

the closest to being useful it is rn is getting nex kc and frost dragons

and frost dragons is a cope over dhw

dhw is just better gp/h wise

[icy relic]

DHW better yeh

[hasty shard]

I also swear harm is currently the most expensive weapon to use outside of dragon cannons

[narrow folio]

And nex kc is fast with bp venoming everything + CAs

If u include cost of searing pages sure

[hasty shard]

why would you not

its probably the same dps buff as going from wave to surge

more actually

[icy relic]

10% is big

[hasty shard]

idk why surge still juices runes when they hyper nerfed the amount demonbane needs

[icy relic]

Multiplicative 10%

[hasty shard]

10 fire runes 7 air 😭

really wish the other elements didnt need air runes

[icy relic]

Yeah I have to keep my runes outside the rune pouch

[hasty shard]

lol

like its ridiculous harm is basically never better than shadow anywhere when ayak gets to be like .1 off of it

[icy relic]

Have to keep in mind that you lose arceuus book as well

[vivid ruin]

Nightmare is hella harder than yama too

[icy relic]

So you lose thralls and dc

[obsidian venture]

Respect

[hasty shard]

if i got to change harm i'd probably make it so it can just cast a selected spell from any book

[limber creek]

yama is mad chill and easy lol.

[icy relic]

Yama is overhated, I die there more than I do on PNM honestly

[hasty shard]

so u can store fire surge and use thralls

[icy relic]

And I have radiant

[chrome lantern]

Orbs still need to be 5x more common and the rest of the uniques 3x more common. The boss is very fun but it’s disproportionately awful drop rates

[hasty shard]

i have fought pnm and took 100kc for the tele

[chrome lantern]

It’s wild they called orbs flex items, walked that back, then still treat them that way

[vivid ruin]

Getting the slepe tablet is awful

[chrome lantern]

Same

[icy relic]

Yama has way more tech and complexity

[chrome lantern]

On my GIM I got it 1kc xd

[hasty shard]

they could just buff volly to whatever stats they suggested for the wrathmaw upgrade

[obsidian venture]

Idk if it’s hated. For me personally it’s boring

[icy relic]

And you get rewarded for learning more advanced tech

[chrome lantern]

Eh I would say that I do actually prefer PNM to Yama

It’s just not worth doing

[obsidian venture]

Yup

[chrome lantern]

If I had a sat heart I would absolutely go do PNM for fun tbh but forgotten brews are atrociously awful

[obsidian venture]

100%

[chrome lantern]

And slayer bad

27m xp no closer to heart

[icy relic]

Learning Yama tech has been one of the most fun things for me in this game

[obsidian venture]

That’s nice

[vivid ruin]

I thought learning pnm was one of the most interesting things ive done

[obsidian venture]

Pnm for me has always been a fun and engaging fight which is hindered by an outdated drop system and rates

[chrome lantern]

SRA is also mildly annoying to use there and was even worse before they made SRA half-viable to use anywhere

[obsidian venture]

Yama just was midgame slop for me and radiant was a poor system. I like the cosmetic look however

[vivid ruin]

If the slepe tablet wasnt so rare it'd be a tad better but yeah the rates are horrid

[obsidian venture]

It’s 1/25 now iirc?

[vivid ruin]

Is it 👀

[icy relic]

Yes

They buffed it

[vivid ruin]

Ooo i havent been in a while

[icy relic]

Guaranteed at 25

[chrome lantern]

Yep!

[hard axle]

SOTF unlock, 2-3x drop rate, BAM

it's good

[chrome lantern]

5x orbs 3x rest

[obsidian venture]

And noted drops

[chrome lantern]

1/1600 for any orb is wild

[limber creek]

theres 0 chance it shouldve been the new meta armor but here we are lmfao.
Nex for one torva piece and yama for 2 oathplate woohoo lol.

[obsidian venture]

Yeah

[hasty shard]

oathplate having bis slash def is so funny

[idle rapids]

tfw you get BIS melee armor by doing a mid game boss 🥀

[chrome lantern]

1/1600 for a specific orb would be rare but more understandable compared to current rates

[icy relic]

How can you shit on PNM on one hand and then act like torva is fine lol

They both have the same problem

[hasty shard]

i voted no to nex

[hard axle]

btw, they've almost doubled the drop rate, but forgot pet and jar on pnm

[icy relic]

Torva is not the standard for BiS gear

[chrome lantern]

Eh that’s fine

[obsidian venture]

They should have looked at ttc for nex and yama and adjusted it. Oathplate shards shouldn’t have existed or should have been untradeable

[chrome lantern]

Make the cloggers clog

[hard axle]

my friend made such a good comparison between solo hueycoatl and pnm, both were around 7 minutes a kill, one is 1/400 and the other is 1/1.4k

while the latter is 10x harder

[hasty shard]

huey is an afk boss i swear

[chrome lantern]

Yeah I got like 7:30 Huey solos with dhl+blood with 2/3 torva

[hasty shard]

you can go make a sandwich and come back and still be alive

[limber creek]

knights of the round ass boss lmao

[hasty shard]

LOL

[obsidian venture]

They could have reduced nex ttc by half and doubled Yama and it would have made more sense

But always gotta cater to Billybobs 🥱

[restive siren]

anyways, nerf salvaging

[chrome lantern]

Shards being tradable still wild

[vivid ruin]

Is that a final fantasy reference lol

[chrome lantern]

Remember when Jagex said before release that they made afk “too generous?” Then apparently after that they added the Salvaging Station, and they also weren’t properly accounting for the Extractor?

[icy relic]

Shards are good

[chrome lantern]

Tf were they thinking

[icy relic]

Talk shit on Yama and you get sailing drop rates

[hasty shard]

if i were a jagexee i wouldve probably made something like fish crates but for salvage

instead of making the salvage station

[icy relic]

Stop comparing things to the most dogshit grinds in the game

[obsidian venture]

Yup

[icy relic]

It is okay for the new standard to be 120 hour grinds for non raid BiS

[small anvil]

That would still be quite afk

I would have made people bank more but just up XP rates to compensate (and delete salvage station)

Or like deleted double spots with compensatory XP rates

Make people move

[idle rapids]

yea there should be no double spots

Instead of all double spots

[ember token]

yeah they messed up by placing some ships too close together, players of course would find that and see that its much better than moving around

[idle rapids]

I rlly didnt mind moving around at mercenarys before they made every spot in the game a double

[hasty shard]

im talking prerelease btw

[idle rapids]

It actually made it feel more like i was playing a game

[small anvil]

Yeah I am too

[chrome lantern]

The problem with how they approached the salvaging nerf is that they pissed off billybobs by nerfing crew salvage xp too much, pissed off cloggers and ironmen by reducing salvage gathering rate, and made the initial release too strong.

Then they folded instantly.

[small anvil]

People would have revolted no matter the nerf

But like sailing being trained by staying still was dumbbb

[icy relic]

All they needed to do was delete doubles

It was 115k semiactive

In line with every sailing method

[hasty shard]

billybobs getting pissed that the 30 minute afk was getting nerfed
'i was doing the active method!' they shout from the hills, which was still less active than zeah rc

[chrome lantern]

I never even went above 100k at salvage tbh

[small anvil]

I don't know my XP/hr

[icy relic]

I did

[hasty shard]

im at 94 and i dont feel like i've "grinded" any levels

[small anvil]

I just kept a mini window open on phone

I got it in 2 weeks

And hardly played actively at all

[hasty shard]

i sat at salvaging to get clogs not a 99 😭

[small anvil]

Read a bunch of stuff those weeks

[ember token]

i am almost at 22m sailing xp and i still havent finished salvaging clogs

[chrome lantern]

It took me a few weeks to max sailing but I also uhhhhh killed 2.5k vampire krakens before maxing

[idle rapids]

Skill issue (the skill being sailing)

[small anvil]

I finished all salvage clogs at 16m or so

[hasty shard]

realistically because salvaging gives resources it SHOULD be dogshit xp/h, like trawling :clueless:

[chrome lantern]

I did like 30k going for salvor paint when I still thought I would care about sloop merchant, got 0

[chrome lantern]

And realistically Trials should be an engaging method rather than a memorization test

[icy relic]

Trawling and salvaging xp should be swapped

Remove dragon cannon

[ember token]

• some thousands pre-tracker

[chrome lantern]

I also have an important question

[true talon]

????

[small anvil]

Dryyyy

[chrome lantern]

Which is why tf do we even have the schematics

[idle rapids]

Couldnt you say the same about HS, which everyone seems to love? I thought BT was pretty good (besides jubbly jive)

[chrome lantern]

They don’t provide any value

[chrome lantern]

Sepulcher actually has variance in it

[idle rapids]

Clog number go up = good

[chrome lantern]

Arrows and tele tiles

[hasty shard]

i fucking hate barracuda trials

[idle rapids]

yea i guess thats true

[hasty shard]

superman 64 content

[chrome lantern]

Sepulcher I do enjoy, trials I did not remotely

[ember token]

schematics were to help pretend that islands had a bit more than nothing on them

[idle rapids]

real

how do we make a half finished skill look finished

[hasty shard]

you unlock the schematics before the actual thing they unlock

[chrome lantern]

Shimmering Atoll has a pillar frag chest!!! … That already exists on Crown Jewel as well

[hasty shard]

they should really commit to better island setups

[chrome lantern]

My suggestion was just to replace all the sailing rares with the schematics themselves

[idle rapids]

you know sailing has an issue when settled has to include all of fking karamja in his sailing only series

[hasty shard]

something like a piss easy 2t wc setup

[chrome lantern]

Then you consume them to permanently unlock the facility

[ember token]

and new attackable monsters on various islands, except they don't actually drop anything

[hasty shard]

grimstone has the rune rocks in an annoying position that needs bottled storm whereas deepfin has the rocks right next to a fkn bank chest 😭 ??

like why

the slayer spots are almost good but they gave all the npcs unholy respawn times

[hard axle]

sailing is very bare bones and the only reason why loot gets deleted is because of port tasks

which confuses the fuck out of me - just delete the crates if u dont want teleport-sailing scape??

why delete the loot lmao

[chrome lantern]

And you have to run pretty far to even get to some of em

Like the lava wyrms

[hasty shard]

mfw no agil shortcuts

[meager flame]

this is why they should fix it

well on top of everything else that makes it make sense

if you ever sit there and say "we could make a niche for this item but we probably shouldn't because who the fuck actually wants to go get it"

you have an insane problem lol

its just begging for fixes

[hard axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992480085707870338/1463961683520131339/image.png?ex=6973bc10&is=69726a90&hm=ff3edbf332660646e0261c3e506d11e54556c51206f0645fa69678b03eaaa348&

This is what was taken from us 😔

[hasty shard]

i feel like normal nightmare needs some of the changes pnm has tbh

no guaranteed max on husks/parasite is ASS

[icy relic]

It's not that bad

Just have claw spec ready for parasites

[obsidian venture]

Ew

You’d unlock the 2nd use of the sra if so

Wow slowly getting there

[hard axle]

just let us drain that shit in teams

keep the defense reduction up

[narrow folio]

You can all ayak it 😉

[hard axle]

and you could also

[narrow folio]

Again an example to prevent scythe from dominating too hard

[hard axle]

[vivid ruin]

Why does scythe have crush 😭

[tacit wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-knows-snl-washington's-dream-nate-bargatze-gif-1712690635348172944

[hard axle]

remember reddit wanting it to have stab even though it would be even more useless

[vivid ruin]

Wonder if they'll make a crush mega better than scythe

[tacit wharf]

just gotta remove crush from the scythe, none of the other mega's cover 2 weaknesses

[limber creek]

Inb4 an attachment to the elder maul.

a jet engine to add to the back of the hammer

[tacit wharf]

the elder maul should of had the dwh combined with it to give it the spec

[limber creek]

nah

[vivid ruin]

Should combine maul with rapier and give it stab

[meager flame]

it wouldn't be too hard

you'd just make a crush mega that you know puts out that kind of dps when you can crush something

and delete crush from scythe in the same update

they should probably make some fucking insane looking flail or something now

that they can do animations like that after sailing release

[limber creek]

flailder maul

[meager flame]

im pretty sure that's the reason we didn't get that one flail that i think eventually turned into the inquisitors mace

the animations were just too hard with how the game worked then

this thing

[winged mantle]

must be wearing gloves or it will 1hitko the user

[icy relic]

I love flails man

that scene from LotR

[brisk hill]

I AM NO MAN

[true talon]

this wep honestly looks dangerous to the user, what if it swings back into your butt

[brisk hill]

I had to remove my Boeing Apache a64

[minor whale]

There's probably a 0% chance they remove crush from scythe

If you have to gimp a megarare to make room for the same thing but on a different megarare nobody is going to think that's good or fun game design

Shadow also covers all the bases of mage dps, it's got 0 elemental weakness boost yet beats out nightmare staff essentially everywhere

Tbow is the only megarare that's not defacto the best weapon for 99% of use cases for its combat style

And that's because the BP is the most busted non-megarare item in the game, beating out fang barely

[icy relic]

Shadow not having a weakness is anomalous

I don't want them to add more megas tbh

[minor whale]

I'd be fine with no more mega weapons for a long while

But some other slot would be cool

[icy relic]

It doesn't make sense to add them, the current ones all have been terrible for reward space and have severely restricted where they can put power in gear

[thick beacon]

even if they make a crush megarare where would u really care about it? game has been designed around uplifting scy (slash). ik ive said it before but imo thats weak enough thatd itd be fine for the game

[tacit wharf]

one would assume it'd be the BIS for that raid then

[thick beacon]

thats fair if its true

but like from a iron perspective itd still be pretty pointless. ud get all uniques most likely before even getting to use it

itd matter alot more based on what the other uniques are

imo

[tacit wharf]

that isnt bad though

all depends on how accessible the raid is with other weapons

[true talon]

My prediction for raids 4 is crush mega rare, removal of crush off scythe, new crush armor that is empowered by inquistor like torva

we havnt had a crush raid, crush is long overdue a improvement

Maybe crush wont be removed from scythe, but i think this is a crush raid for sure

[tacit wharf]

always bugged me, but how exactly does one crush with a scythe

[true talon]

no clue lol

Its one of those things that dont make sense

[nocturne solstice]

use the back

pointy end, blunt end

[true talon]

but how is it gonna do 3 hit splats if you using the blunt end

[thick beacon]

even if crush was removed idt itd change much about scy apart from like nm which oone really does anyway

[nocturne solstice]

Blood magic

[thick beacon]

can bruteforce slash pretty hard with oathplate already

[nocturne solstice]

hence the blood needed

[true talon]

crush scythe is only strong when you can use inqusitor

[thick beacon]

but why would u want inquistor

what for?

[true talon]

you dont currently

which is why there is lots of design space to make a crush armor and crush wep an a crush style raid

[thick beacon]

the appealing thing about the other mrares is they had well they arent a good example I think they are extremely op

[nocturne solstice]

I know the current trend is design and then content but I'd prefer the other way round.

There's design space for crush but still not enough content to use it at imo

a buncha mid tier spiders

[thick beacon]

why would someone want a product that has very little use on the promise of the future its just not good design imo. leads to copium more then anything

[true talon]

phosani, if a new crush armor there can maybe be crush style taking over, arraxor, crush aint bad on sol heredit, crush is not far behind most other styles. its just slash is better. and if its a crush raid then the armor an wep would be bis in the raid itself.

[nocturne solstice]

Agreed, so make the use first then add the product.

[icy relic]

That was scythe for the longest time

It had to get propped up with rancour and oathplate and a year of slash favored content

[thick beacon]

scy was kinda cap it was good for 2 out of 2 raids at the time and nm imo

[nocturne solstice]

People hate phosani though, people dont wanna do that. Araxxor would be the mid tier spider I mentioned. While it "aint bad" on sol, why would you do that instead of whip or slash which is what he's weak to?

Thats what I mean about needing more crush content.

Need a crush weak boss that's either fun or a good money maker, then add all that crush stuff

[true talon]

Because the new armor would make crush better?

it would make phosani more valueable

[nocturne solstice]

Yeah and im saying it doesnt matter if nobody wants to do the existing crush content.

[icy relic]

Jagex releases things then adds niches for them all the time

[nocturne solstice]

oh for sure