Im not seeing anything about the rule i broke but i aint trippin about it.
#game-update
limber creek
narrow folio
Depends what they even messages
you with. You can request clarification.
limber creek
I tried to talk about mine but to no avail. Its okay thanks though! Just wish we could get along and have constructive talks.
brisk hill
the modmail is a really cool feature!
& true you are right, my apologies to all 🤝
i just want to raise awareness for my sweet wilderness 
for less than a penny a day, you can support your local pker..
round lintel
idk why in quests with agility req you still fail alot obstacle during the quest
minor whale
They become technically doable at that level but definitely not a recommendation to do them at minimum stats
tacit wharf
just like cooking a piece of food and burning it
round lintel
nah ive had high agility for example for me2 and you still fail alot
limber creek
for less than a penny a day, you can support your local pker..
good fight
true talon
Im not an anti-cheat expert, buttttt this looks to be suspicious
ember token
gold farmers working the fields
true talon
But soul wars produces like no gp lol
chrome lantern
Xp training maybe idk might as well crab
true talon
my friend is joining into the bot farm to do soul wars XD
dunno what they doing, they all get together at the avatar and hit it with rpgs an prot melee in prayer gear
dont gain exp or do any damage
small anvil
people do afk soul wars for pet hunt
rpg doesnt sound right for the afk strat tho so idk
vivid ruin
Xp also equates to money when selling accounts but we dont mention that here
true talon
Anyone hoarding dragon nails? they increased 500% for some reason lol
bronze kernel
They always been like 10 times the listed price for a while now
The 6K or so list price is a lie
true talon
@icy relic You were scammed on sheets 100%
bronze kernel
Real price is like 50K
true talon
makes sense because only way to get them is a sheet which is currently 1.2m
which produces 15
frost dragons are not very popular either and they are secluded behind a strong barrier that prevents bots from reaching them easily
Glad they learning barriers to entry are best to keep mass accounts out
meager flame
they would be a lot more popular if there was actually a reason to do any of this shit
which honestly
its probably good that there isn't
people would get >99 prayer from just getting their ship ready
true talon
I think sailing has a lot of room for growth which is probably their goal, its clear the content locked behind it was not meant to matter if your 99 or whatever.
the real strenght of sailing is the ability to design islands and create barrier content
meager flame
tbh idk if they even really thought frost dragons through completely
like
it seems excessive to ask people to actually kill more dragons than you need for 99 prayer lol
true talon
I think frost dragons are good, their previous versions in rs3 was locked behind 87 dungeoneering
meager flame
its just a cause and effect thing like
should every player that goes to complete their boat automatically be 99 prayer
that seems like it probably shouldn't be the case
true talon
you dont get that much exp
meager flame
you do last i checked
true talon
you need to kill around 5-6k on rate for a max combat boat
meager flame
sure if you're on task but afaik thats the wrong way to do it
chrome lantern
That's ignoring the keel
meager flame
also doesn't cover the multiple boats
true talon
I persume there will be a lot of changes in how facilities and resources work in terms of multi-ship
true talon
sure if you're on task but afaik thats the wrong way to do it
thats off task
icy relic
<@128541082182090754> You were scammed on sheets 100%
I still have more nails than you 
true talon
I still have more nails than you <:copium:941829593004916748>
i got twice as many sheets XD
and less kills
meager flame
why are we ignoring the keel
true talon
I mean im ignoring the dragon hook and cannon
true talon
because im done with salavaging and i dont got 2nd cannon
chrome lantern
"Max combat boat" that doesn't have the two most important ship combat upgrades
meager flame
ya idk this is looking crazy lol
chrome lantern
100 sheets for a boat with 2 cannons, 2 hooks, keel, helm
true talon
"Max combat boat" that doesn't have the two most important ship combat upgrades
i said im ignoring it, not that it reduces the mats you need for a max ship.
100 sheets?
the keel is 100 sheets?
chrome lantern
756 nails
No
64
Then the cannons are 8 each
The hooks are 6 each
And the helm is 8
meager flame
you could just not do the hooks if you want
meager flame
but still its a lot lol
chrome lantern
But it's a number to get everything that uses sheets to its maximum amount
It would be the same if you put the hooks on a boat that didn't have any other upgrades
icy relic
For one ship 
meager flame
ya it goes into totally crazy land pretty fast
icy relic
Just wait til jagex releases a battleship for raids 4
true talon
Large dragon keel parts is 2 sheets each you need 16, so you just need 32 for a keel
chrome lantern
No
icy relic
4
chrome lantern
It's 2 small keel parts each
true talon
oh what the fuck yea im not building that l0l
vivid ruin
Not needed anyways
chrome lantern
Well I got 5 large keel parts and 2 small keel parts from vampire krakens
So I probably will eventually tbh
meager flame
ya this was the original point i was making
true talon
ya i plan to kill the krakens
meager flame
thank god theres no reason to actually do this right now
because if we were doing this
chrome lantern
I went on rate for 7 bottles to get 4
meager flame
we would be generating an unholy amount of frost dragon bones
chrome lantern
Probably some of the least enjoyable content I've done tbh
icy relic
I am banking bones and dropping them to my main
meager flame
like idk how the prayer leveling market would survive for mains lol
true talon
like idk how the prayer leveling market would survive for mains lol
ehh dragon bones are already in the bin due to bots
icy relic
Frost dragon bones are basically just the new dragon bones
meager flame
it actually looks like
frost dragon bones went at them already
as is
if you look at the 1 year graph lol
and we dont even have to actually go bomb them yet
that was just people doing sailing and trying new stuff
vivid ruin
Frost dragons should be in the wild like i initially suggested in my post
true talon
Frost dragons should be in the wild like i initially suggested in my post
ya then no1 would do them XD
vivid ruin
Good
meager flame
i question if i made the right choice voting yes for sailing sometimes im ngl
icy relic
Sailing is worse in every way than dungeoneering
chrome lantern
Nah if they dropped more Jagex might pretend that it's an active way to farm the tips
icy relic
Shoulda just released DG
meager flame
we'll see what i think of it once sailing actually has content i care about doing
true talon
Nah if they dropped more Jagex might pretend that it's an active way to farm the...
chisel frost bones into tips, id farm them all day lol
meager flame
we're basically still in the sailing beta
chrome lantern
You know that's never happening
meager flame
that would probably upset them but lol
icy relic
Yeah we're going to be in the beta for two years
chrome lantern
Jagex makes us beta test all their updates wym
true talon
theres just no reason to actually level the skill yet
id not agree with that, its worth to get the skill to max. but the content potential is limitless
i think the ship uprades need a pass though
vivid ruin
I just dont think their dev team compares to players when it comes to testing and balancing
meager flame
i mean my max cape is the one reason to level it lol idk thats a pretty rough way to start
chrome lantern
That's not true!
The Deepfin tele is also really dumb strong for how easy it is to get
meager flame
we have crafting capes though
true talon
Well you also cant release a skill fully fleshed out, if you plan to add content to it over the next 5-10 years
icy relic
The devs want sailing to not shake up any metas substantially, which is an absurd thing to say about a skill
chrome lantern
Yeah but we're talking like an early game tele that is slightly worse than crafting cape
meager flame
The devs want sailing to not shake up any metas substantially, which is an absur...
ya this is the real thing they tripped over
true talon
you seem to think skilling lvls matter....... in terms of progression when the skill drops.
icy relic
How can your average Varlamore update shake up the meta way more than an entire new skill
meager flame
a new skill should explicitly do that because like
true talon
infact 99 dont mean anything lol
true talon
Actually thats not true
icy relic
It's not just that 99 means nothing in sailing's case
true talon
Crafting released with glory being the top dawg, along with fletching had rune arrows as top arrow
icy relic
You don't even scratch the surface of the BiS ship progression by the point you are 99
true talon
slayer released with abyssal demon being the strongest slayer monster
icy relic
Imagine having to do grind a 1/500 drop to be able to use one portal nexus
meager flame
ya old jagex did not typically bring the "we're just gonna have this suck because we're scared of things being good" mentality to new skills
true talon
Prayer released with nothing past 15% str/atk/defense and overheads
meager flame
some of their skills were just total flops but usually
chrome lantern
Technically prayer released with Paralyze Monster didn't it
meager flame
they were coming in with at least one very important thing
chrome lantern
Not overheads
icy relic
Not even talking powercreep anymore, gating basic functionalities behind an 100 hour grind is crazy
Sailing cape doesn't even give you a free teleport to ship
true talon
Sailing cape is def a disappointment
chrome lantern
Yeah it's wild that it doesn't even do that if you have the greater focus
Literally insane
meager flame
like even one of the skills where they were totally trolling like hunter
it still had chins and they were insane for training
icy relic
But you get to rename your ship bro
true talon
Sailing added a lot what do you mean?
limber creek
Multi revs. 1t tele timer below 30 wilderness. Move zombie pirates to a higher level wildy.
true talon
multiple new training methods ( i got 99 woodcutting and finished the forestry log on ironwoods) new 600+ raw fish an hour fishing method, new construction method
new theiving method
few new mining methods
true talon
a new smithing method with rune keel parts it was profitable afk 350k exp an hour
chrome lantern
Nah it was very intentional and was talked about
icy relic
Rosewood is really good
true talon
Serveral new potions like armadyl brew, enhanced stamina
meager flame
yeah but a lot of those things suck
true talon
The bleed pot (if they ever add a bleed boss)
icy relic
And did not need a new skill to justify their release
chrome lantern
Camphor Logs: Fragrant and resilient, Camphor logs provide excellent wood for constructing seaworthy vessels fit for mid-tier voyages. Used in ship building as a hardwood tree above Mahogany. Will give slightly more XP/HR than Mahogany trees but less logs per hour. Hardwood tree patch variants respawn slower to reduce effectiveness of 1.5t methods.
Ironwood Logs: These dense, hardy logs ensure your ship withstands even the harshest storms, bridging the gap between skilled craftsmanship and adventurous spirit. Used in ship building as a hardwood tree above Camphor. Will give slightly more XP/HR than Camphor trees but less logs per hour. Hardwood tree patch variants respawn slower to reduce effectiveness of 1.5t methods.
Rosewood Logs: Reserved for master sailors, Rosewood offers unmatched durability and prestige, ideal for elite vessels. Used in ship building as a hardwood tree above Ironwood. Will give slightly more XP/HR than Ironwood trees but less logs per hour. Hardwood tree patch variants respawn slower to reduce effectiveness of 1.5t methods.
Kinda indirectly "better than the previous thing listed"
Let me find somewhere else
meager flame
oh i see what they did lol
true talon
i did go an get 99 woodtuctting from 92 on ironwoods
meager flame
they compared one thing to existing training methods and then the rest got compared to imaginary methods at the time
so there was no gague on how that looked after several steps
icy relic
Arma brews are really niche, not as impactful as a lot of people were saying
chrome lantern
the afk exp/hr is weirdly powerful
Yeah they did explicitly say, "We feel we may have been too generous with afk methods. This applied to salvaging and also to the woodcutting
Then the left it that way
icy relic
New fish are really good, this is undeniable
true talon
Arma brews are really niche, not as impactful as a lot of people were saying
they are insane for a lot of content were you bring brews and range pots
icy relic
WC methods are a bit overtuned but it's woodcutting man like who cares
meager flame
its just weird lol
icy relic
It's not insane
floral blaze
Arma brews are really niche, not as impactful as a lot of people were saying
I heard rev cave bots like it
icy relic
True
floral blaze
Now baby pures trying to pk get double cucked
meager flame
i still dont know why people were hyped about arma brews
icy relic
Just get ragged
meager flame
they're like the cursed magic pots
true talon
I mean your doing inferno and you get to bring in a brew that gives you range pot, amazing for like doing healers on zuk
meager flame
you just cant use them as soon as you use multiple styles
icy relic
Yeah zuk healers and doom are the only places they're really good at and they aren't needed for either
meager flame
I mean your doing inferno and you get to bring in a brew that gives you range po...
yeah this is great but like lol idk is zuk healers that important that it needs its own potion
true talon
not needed but also good to have there is a difference
i mean zuk is a use case, not a potion being designed to be for zuk
meager flame
its pretty close to the same thing
true talon
f you ask me the biggest benefit of the armadyl brew was the rev cave bots lol
icy relic
Yes it's a good addition but it is not enough to be a selling point of sailing
meager flame
at least how the game is rn
chrome lantern
Brew -> Arma brew is pretty potent healing without dps loss
meager flame
it would be different if we had more like
single attack style bosses
or if i guess they started making phases where you had to range and had to brew
like every time
so you'd bring 1
icy relic
Also sailing was a really good opportunity to address some persistent issues with the game, particularly slayer and the overreliance on slayer points and boosting
meager flame
but that would be a little forced lol
icy relic
Instead we make it worse by adding 4 new monsters with on task/task only mechanics
floral blaze
Are any of the islands they added remotely useful
meager flame
tbh no not really
chrome lantern
Yeah! You can get to the new clue steps they added!
icy relic
Yeah there are some pretty good islands especially for midgame and snowflake accounts
true talon
Are any of the islands they added remotely useful
ironwood island
icy relic
Deepfin is a really good hub
meager flame
thats the part that lets you know this is the sailing beta
ember token
deepfin is op
icy relic
Sailor ammy is great
icy relic
But like this is not good enough to be a skill
true talon
I think sailing was good, they added a skill that has potential to influence a lot of things at once. the island ability to design spaces in which to stick content is massive.
icy relic
Maybe I am just spoiled comparing it to the last few RS3 skills like holy fuck archeology was so good
meager flame
i mean i think it has the same potential it always had
its just weird that we kind of weren't allowed to see any of it but like
we can get exp drops now
icy relic
All the discussion being about XP rates was also disappointing
The skill would've been fine as a 100k xp/hr type deal
If like the other stuff was better
meager flame
ya i was sad about the salvage discussion because it set us back 2 weeks on realizing combat was absolutely horrible
and then they went on vacation
and we're still waiting
bc of it
icy relic
I glided to 99 and yeah I maxed fast
true talon
Honestly they shouldnt care about xp rates. they should focus on the content an unlocks behind the skill
meager flame
ya thats the thing i told ppl we would see when it came out once i read all of the reward blogs
icy relic
ya i was sad about the salvage discussion because it set us back 2 weeks on real...
Everyone knew combat was cooked from beta
true talon
Xp rates are dumb, the slowest skills in the game are awful, because they dont offer anything from doing it.
meager flame
its just cooked for early 99 people
meager flame
well
true talon
agility for example gives you like 60k at high lvls and you unlock???? nothing lol
meager flame
during the beta we all coped thinking we hadn't seen all the ship upgrades
and then it realized and it was in fact exactly what we had in beta
and sucked
lmao
chrome lantern
The wild part is that all the issues we see with Sailing are things that were pointed out long before release yeah
meager flame
the hilarious thing is jagex was under no such illusion
icy relic
I thought the reward blog was a slice of the content we would get
meager flame
they knew we had seen everything
icy relic
Turned it out it was basically 90% of it
icy relic
And they're still patting themselves on the back about how proud they are of sailing release
true talon
They released it to have room to grow, the baseline of having the skill and the islands is there which is all that matters
icy relic
Like yeah you guys made a good offshoot game, the systems for sailing are nice
But it has to connect with the rest of RS
meager flame
i mean they added a lot of tiles to the game and stuff could go there and we have a cool way to get there so like
i get it from a technical pov that it was probably impressive to them
but for all of us we couldn't care less
put something on the island we want to do
true talon
But it has to connect with the rest of RS
in due time it will, im sure.
floral blaze
All the future dev time about to be wasted on fleshing out content for the skill 🙄
icy relic
Is there a single place that is faster to sail to than using traditional transportation methods
tacit wharf
But it has to connect with the rest of RS
integration should come after release, not during, best way to make sure it stays self contained if any problems arised
icy relic
Like existing old place
meager flame
yeah its 2026 and 2027's varlamore
where we kinda just watch them dump crazy hours on a specific area
true talon
All the future dev time about to be wasted on fleshing out content for the skill...
no it will be used to create content on remote islands or places to visit like bosses or dungeons, it opens up a ton of potential. the skill itself is just a skill the content it unlocks is what the focus needs to be on.
meager flame
its not even like that stuff is bad either when it actually releases
icy relic
integration should come after release, not during, best way to make sure it stay...
I don't accept this, we've had so many skills added thru RS2 and RS3 history and none of them have had this level of disconnect
meager flame
but it does make it feel like nothing is going on anywhere else
tacit wharf
integration should come after release, not during, best way to make sure it stay...
especially with how much sheer volume was added with it
meager flame
which is odd for rs if you've played forever
true talon
I don't accept this, we've had so many skills added thru RS2 and RS3 history and...
? fire making lol
meager flame
im honesty pretty interested in seeing their summit
i think this is the first one where i can sit here and only be able to guess the like
really obvious tiles
where in the past i basically guessed the entire thing
at least i hope i cant guess the whole thing
bc if i can we're not going to be happy
lmao
icy relic
I just wish they would stop being tied down by the fucking CoX drop table too
Hopper had potential
meager flame
like right now
im guessing
project rebalance, league, sailing update(s), vampires
and i think thats it
true talon
Raids 4 is this year
meager flame
unless im forgetting something
oh yeah a raid teaser
thats gonna be way later i think though but it should have a teaser
icy relic
What they said from the last blog about their plans for the next big sailing update did not make me feel any better about the skill's future either
tacit wharf
blood moon rises, ddm allstars (US event at end), leauges, runefest, raids 4
icy relic
We are going to get one or two midgame quests, waste a lot of time on reddit islands which will inevitably be midslop dogshit
We have DMM, leagues 6
meager flame
i just didnt think of raids 4 bc i was thinking of updates i actually expect to release before we get the summit after this
and i think the raid is coming after whatever that summit is
but we should hear about it at least
icy relic
Then we have ship PvP
chrome lantern
"Sailing updates" on summit roadmap is lmao
floral blaze
Then we have ship PvP
No thx
meager flame
ya its gonna be on there like varlamore part 2 part 3 etc
icy relic
Which I'm sure is going to not be dead on arrival
true talon
ya im not sure how you gonna do ship pvp
icy relic
Like what are they developing that anyone cares about
meager flame
but yeah hopefully please surprise me jagex
floral blaze
The jmods are clueless about pvp lmfao ship pvp
true talon
unless you can invade other peoples boats and kill them in normal pvp lol
limber creek
They cant fix normal pvp but they can sure pvp ships
meager flame
give me like some of those mahjarrat quests leading up to their version of rotm or something at least
chrome lantern
Like what are they developing that anyone cares about
DMM for only content creators xd
meager flame
i think they wanted to do a couple of smaller mahjarrat quests still right before the big one
floral blaze
L summit
icy relic
I wonder if the mahjarrat line just ends at RotM
Since they aren't bringing Zaros back
meager flame
it probably doesn't end but it probably hits a bit of a finale and gets pushed into the background
for a long time
icy relic
My pet theory is that they want to converge with RS3 lore and tackle Xau-Tak shadow realm stuff
They're just skipping all the 6th Age stuff
meager flame
ngl the only reason i want to see that quest is that i want to know how we time travel or whatever occurs
ember token
there's one more mahjarrat quest before the finale, it's a original quest (not a backport) but is a new take on/inspired by a rs3 quest
chrome lantern
The one thing I want to see from that quest is if it's even theoretically possible to turn the awful WGS into something that wasn't just a waste of time to add to the game
meager flame
i actually also expect that quest to somehow branch off towards the blackstone stuff
true talon
The one thing I want to see from that quest is if it's even theoretically possib...
? WGS was a great addition
meager flame
not like super directly but to hint at it somehow
true talon
no it wasnt lol
icy relic
It's always been connected if not indirectly
chrome lantern
Possibly the worst quest in the last decade
icy relic
Except RS3 tied it together via daemonheim/Bilrach and Fort Forinthry
limber creek
i hope the summit is freaking awesome
love seeing good quality updates to the game.
chrome lantern
WGS introduced a ton of random characters nobody cared about, had a very forced and contrived plot, and didn't really have any engaging storytelling at all other than the stone existing
meager flame
them being a little light on exciting content does make the raids 4 teaser + league announcement make sense
icy relic
I'm gonna be hyped regardless but still
meager flame
those are both kind of break glass in case of emergency things to tell people so they look forward to stuff
icy relic
I'm just a downer about sailing and the design philosophy reflected in it
chrome lantern
WGS was a nostalgia-bait quest with some decent boss fights
true talon
WGS introduced a ton of random characters nobody cared about, had a very forced ...
it was same as original?
meager flame
i mean i think wgs overall was fine
i was sort of disappointed in them somehow making it worse than the original though at first
chrome lantern
it was same as original?
Name a single one of the characters from the Falador castle
meager flame
that didn't really make much sense to me bc like
true talon
im not a lore person who space bar's thouh quest
icy relic
Akrisae 
meager flame
why did they just go change the quest text for the people who actually read it to be less informative etc
they went back to repair it after people pointed it out but lol
chrome lantern
I never did it in RS2/3 but everyone I know that did said it was just a worse quest than that version
icy relic
I thing WGS is fine, I like Dark Squall
Dude was hanging out in the library for years
It's about time he activated
chrome lantern
Like I said
meager flame
i mean it was quite similar as you'd expect but they did kind of gut the depth as far as the story went
icy relic
Surok had a way bigger role in RS2 as well
ember token
Jagex has a thing with new quests, backport or not, where they change things (often for little to no reason)
ember token
for example, with SotE's release, they also went through and changed a lot in the elf storyline
sins of the father, same thing with myreque storyline
meager flame
i just dont really know where their head was at with the changes during wgs bc like
icy relic
I recently replayed the myreque arc on my alt
meager flame
if you were sitting there reading them side by side like they must have to make the changes
theres no way they thought they made it better
icy relic
A really good quest line even though the individual quests are long and annoying
ember token
Secrets of the North, changed hazeel cult, fight arena, completely rewrote Devious Minds, etc
meager flame
unless they weren't paying a lot of attention and didn't notice that a lot of stuff made no sense because they knew why characters were doing things because they read the original
but somehow didn't catch that the osrs version did not include that information lol
but thats kind of scary if thats what happened
ember token
you know the whole mithril key thing or w/e from the original quest, and the piles of resources in Movario's base?
meager flame
yeah
ember token
the piles of resources were there next to a broken kiln
icy relic
You could loot those
ember token
the reason it was there was because of the mithril key
like, lore wise
it was there because movario was trying to
er its mentioned in his notes
meager flame
there was another moment too where you went to tell an npc something at falador castle but in the osrs version there was absolutely no reason for you to assume they were at the castle
i think they rewrote that part now but lol i noticed it the first day
ember token
~ Experimentation on dragonkin key melding ~
Uniting both key parts has so far proved utterly frustrating, without even the slightest sign of success. In order to attain the very high temperatures required to meld the parts together, I have stocked many items and a kiln in my special workshop. So far, all efforts have proved useless. The effect of magical pyre logs and coal is intensely fierce, yet it still doesn't make the key parts warm. The same is also true of my attempts with magical heat.
I fear that, in my enthusiasm to unite both parts, I shall lose both as they melt away into nothingness in the kiln. Such is the intensity of my recent tests that the kiln has even broken. Further research into the peculiar metal is clearly needed, but to whom can I trust such sensitive details?
this part of his notes
this whole part of the quest is gone
but the broken kiln remains
and the piles of resources
icy relic
And you get to loot the runes and coal and magic logs from his base
meager flame
they also just kinda went rogue with random stuff
like how those black knights absolutely boost your white knight rank
not that im mad at it
although i might've been slightly salty if i had just done the diary the day before or something
ember token
sorry i was distracted that whole time so I was struggling to communicate lol, but yeah the broken kiln and piles of resources were connected to a plot point of Movario trying to repair the key to the forge in the ancient cavern which isn't present in the OSRS version
they kept them in his base but they are meaningless now
icy relic
The dragon platebody/praesulic essence kiln 
Also synapses and bclaws went way crazier than I expected at the time
still sundial
I am still somewhat upset at the choice of excluding Legends Quest from requirements of WGS but still including the part about using a "charge orb" spell to open a door (obvious throwback to Legends Quest)
ember token
i can understand both sides there
vivid ruin
Goodmorning pvpcord
scarlet dawn
Gm
brisk hill
Gm PvPcord
restive storm
Gm my pvp refugees
jagged marsh
I am still somewhat upset at the choice of excluding Legends Quest from requirem...
Wtf why did they remove the legends quest requirement? The entire quest was designed around reusing old quest interactions.
I didn't even notice that. I just assumed it was kept.
viscid vapor
GM pvpers (pvmers stay in bed)
restive storm
I can’t wait for pvp infrastructure month this year 
scarlet dawn
GM pvpers (pvmers stay in bed)
Pvmers arent allowed to stay in bed, else there is nobody to pk..!
restive storm
Man caves was depressing the 2 hours I was out there yesterday, saw 1 pker in total, evening including anyone already attacking a pvmer
scarlet dawn
Time to look for real pkers 😔
restive storm
Guess I have to spam rush people at the GE cuz that’s the only form of real pking yagex supports these days 😤
zinc galleon
ive been suicide roaming near callisto past few days on 1 def pure. been getting into some funny business. baited a main into the cave who was chasing me and got the KO with help of callisto, almost took a few more that chased down with me
doin some farmer disruption, ya know
restive storm
You take out any of the latam clans where there’s like 25 level 50s killing the bear? And they all refuse to skull but keep trying to get you to barrage them all in hopes they can help their friend
I’ve taken those guys for 5 keys a few times lmao, never had anyone to help me clear em tho
zinc galleon
You take out any of the latam clans where there’s like 25 level 50s killing the ...
haven't seen them these days. but found one group with interesting tech: just naked 1 item guy inside cave mouth that suicide barrages while the rest of the team runs, with additional scout outside. they got the double security
floral blaze
The baby pure scepter farms in callisto used to be really good money a year ago. Last I checked they weren't as active anymore
restive storm
They were def there as of like a month ago
They rag me pretty hard at bridge whenever I’m there
zinc galleon
They were def there as of like a month ago
yeah, i haven't seen them in quite a while though. they finally figured out that trident is cheaper i guess
the ones i see with scepter nowadays are like med level groups
floral blaze
yeah, i haven't seen them in quite a while though. they finally figured out that...
I spoke to one of the scepter goldfarmers many months back and he said it got tough. Too many people caught on and started pking them
Some of the goldfarmers turned into pkers themselves to rag their brethren
restive storm
Some of the goldfarmers turned into pkers themselves to rag their brethren
Don’t dive headfirst into multi after steelscrew from NE ork trust me, ran five steps north and saw a coalition of rev farmers massed up 😂
Those guys crack me up
floral blaze
Behind the scenes of the scepter farms
restive storm
Buddy in the corner sitting exactly like me while I fall asleep hopping rev caves
vivid ruin
I dont discriminate pvmers because im technically a pvmer who just so happens to pk like a lot of my clan
Also theyre a part of the food chain
restive storm
Also theyre a part of the food chain
Integral part
plain tusk
any news or updates on HD update launch/beta?
minor whale
Not since a few months ago, I think around August or September they mentioned they're still working on it
plain tusk
Not since a few months ago, I think around August or September they mentioned th...
Yeah I figured.. Can't wait to get some more news on it!
minor whale
I really hope we get official plugin API and hd coming up in the summit
plain tusk
same! waiting for jan 25th :)
zinc galleon
w606 has a 2 man in callisto i cant hit cuz im too low lvl if anyone wants
restive storm
Man if they blunder a third summit in a row idek 
pls Wildy updates
silk thicket
Hello pvpcord any info on ragging yet
zinc galleon
Hello pvpcord any info on ragging yet
wdym?
restive storm
Hello pvpcord any info on ragging yet
Can’t even get them to acknowledge the wilderness exists, so not currently
meager flame
I really hope we get official plugin API and hd coming up in the summit
i do kind of assume there will be at least some talk of this i forgot about that last night too
i just wish i could think of some more like
actual gameplay stuff they might show off lol sort of worried they wont have too much of that
but maybe they have tons of stuff and just haven't talked about anything at all
minor whale
Raids 4, at least 1 gm quest, a new leagues, plugin changes for the next 6 months are all pretty solid
meager flame
i highly doubt raids 4 is in the next 6 months
it probably wont be out when we get the summit after this one
minor whale
As in announced at the summit
meager flame
ya thats not content though thats just announcing the content
minor whale
But we'll get a repeatable end level boss with Blood Moon Rises as well
meager flame
i saw people compare that to muspah
so idk if its going to be that exciting of a boss
minor whale
Wah
meager flame
hopefully they were just crazy
but they seemed really confident so jagex may have said that
silk thicket
wdym?
They hinted at addressing ragging in 2 of the 3 most recent news posts but we dunno how to properly report it and what evidence they need to ban for it, nor do we know why ppl can rag seemingly for years before getting banned (if they ever do get banned)
minor whale
I highly doubt it'll be Muspah like
Muspah quest was extremely short and easy
meager flame
the quest boss will probably be harder but they already said drakan or whatever wont be repeatable
so it'll be like the vorkath boss of the quest that we get to keep doing
rather than the galvek
if you get what i mean
which honestly hopefully all of that just isn't true because lol
that would suck and be a huge waste
limber creek
The baby pure scepter farms in callisto used to be really good money a year ago....
theres a lot of 73 or so accs in there
sweet stone
When do we get the hooded slayer helms???
chrome lantern
Will you even use it if it doesn't go with any capes?
Other than slayer cape?
Which you won't wear while doing combat?
restive storm
Smh they’re gonna make me do 99 slayer a third time now
sweet stone
And I'd have a reason to re colour my crystal armour and bofa lol
restive storm
Will you even use it if it doesn't go with any capes?
Need it for max focusing on the moons account 😈
meager flame
tbh hopefully they make the hooded slayer helm in a way where they can repeat it for other hoods
so that you actually use it with the capes you'd wear in combat
sweet stone
How do you mean? With the other skill capes??? That'd make no sense cus it's a slayer helmet
chrome lantern
Please no
restive storm
Def not
meager flame
the things you'd actually wear while using the slayer helm
restive storm
Just black slayer one and be done
meager flame
and not the slayer hood that matches nothing
chrome lantern
That's just a ton of extra work for things people won't really even use
meager flame
idk
chrome lantern
I don't really expect people to even use the current version like I said because it doesn't go with anything
In general hoods don't look great in this game
meager flame
they're already doing the work with a hood nobody would ever actually use once they see it
sweet stone
Don't get me wrong they should have variants if someone has a max Cape fire cape or infernal ect
chrome lantern
Surely anyone with a max cape variant will just be wearing the CA slayer helmets though
Right? 👀
meager flame
nah i'd use the variants with a hood over the ca slayer helms
they generally look stupid where this would not
restive storm
Man I got a max cape but do u think I could possibly care any less about CA helms?
sweet stone
It'll never beat the Jad helm nothing can really beat how that looks when you've got that on with full torva for instance?
sweet stone
Like there should be a gold trim to the hood if your using masori
chrome lantern
Man I got a max cape but do u think I could possibly care any less about CA helm...
I couldn't possibly care any less about any of the slayer helm recolors tbh
There's a 0% chance I ever pay slayer points for one
I only use the CA ones because they're free
restive storm
I couldn't possibly care any less about any of the slayer helm recolors tbh
Honestly same, never have lol
Wait I think I did in my iron wayyyyyy back
When they first came out
meager flame
i just want the hooded slayer helm to at least fit one of the capes you'd actually wear while doing slayer
sweet stone
I use them mostly for skipping blocking crap tasks
meager flame
otherwise it'll just look like you're wearing an out of place halloween cosmetic
sweet stone
I only my fire cape during slayer I would take a range /mage/str/att or def cape with me on task🤔
Wouldnt*
chrome lantern
On a note unrelated to that but related to the current poll, I made a new game suggestion:
https://discord.com/channels/324132423636090880/1461747631599517884
tl;dr favorite Portal Nexus destinations to show up in a submenu as proposed with Fairy Rings
true talon
I like how the hooded slayer helm only works with the normal version and basically undermines the zuk slayer helm lll
zinc galleon
An actual interesting discussion about the wilderness that didn’t get downvoted by the npcs https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/nohYGfOOrl
Don’t agree with the guy, but I appreciate that a discussion made it up in numbers
true talon
Sounds like they need to end wilderness lvls and make it static 5-10 no matter were you are at
And get rid of losing untradeables
chrome lantern
I feel like anyone saying that singles should reward teams is in the minority
true talon
I’m in support of removing deep wilderness lvls
And having wilderness be a static lvl playing field
Thst way your not running into max mains when your lvl 83 at rogues castle
chrome lantern
The one thing that would make worse is that nobody would be able to attack bots though
true talon
The one thing that would make worse is that nobody would be able to attack bots ...
You’d just make accounts to attack them
chrome lantern
Far more PK accounts needed for the same number of bots = fewer killed
true talon
And then you’d make attacks to fight those accounts
chrome lantern
Not everyone has 50 accounts
Really the solution to that though is "Just get rid of bots lol"
true talon
I mean a lvl 3 at rogues castle or whatever can die to a lvl 13
chrome lantern
Ideally it wouldn't have to be balanced around
Yeah that's a really tiny level range
Obviously 3 is a bit exaggerated because 43 prayer
But still
true talon
You can make a lvl 13 to kill them in like 5 minutes
chrome lantern
And have how many accounts bonded at once?
I don't think most would consider that an improvement
true talon
I mean it’s not perfect but like deep wildy is the problem with PvP
All the content is in like lvl 20-30 wildy
So if your a lvl 80 your facing a lvl 110
restive storm
I feel like anyone saying that singles should reward teams is in the minority
See also: Wildy agility masses
restive storm
You’d just make accounts to attack them
You can make essentially impossible to kill accounts if it’s a 15 level range
chrome lantern
But I get what you're saying
tbh before the loot was added wildy agi was already in a great spot, being the best xp by far in the level range
icy relic
level brackets just pushes pures to the forefront more like in the old days
zinc galleon
I mean it’s not perfect but like deep wildy is the problem with PvP
I think it’s a cool and unique feature of osrs, what makes it a problem? I think it’s fun and exciting when im solo or with team on 1 def pures smacking mains around
true talon
You can make essentially impossible to kill accounts if it’s a 15 level range
I mean it’s still deep wildy and escape is unlikely unless they run out to lvl 1
icy relic
the whole point pures existed in the first place is to get unfair advantages on "balanced" accounts in low wildy
restive storm
tbh before the loot was added wildy agi was already in a great spot, being the b...
It was good in an xp sense but nobody would ever pk there cuz nobody brings anything
floral blaze
Thst way your not running into max mains when your lvl 83 at rogues castle
I liked beating up main shitters deep wild when we massed up
chrome lantern
It was good in an xp sense but nobody would ever pk there cuz nobody brings anyt...
I don't really think that's an issue idk it's far less problematic than intentionally adding bot/gold farmer content
icy relic
basically
restive storm
I don't really think that's an issue idk it's far less problematic than intentio...
It’s just kinda boring lol
floral blaze
No more coddling plz
icy relic
the amount of gold directly getting injected into the economy just to give pkers a few more targets
it's not worth it
chrome lantern
People still find it boring with loot, it's Agility, people will always complain
floral blaze
Wildy should be dangerous
true talon
There is a reason dmm has combat brackets
restive storm
the amount of gold directly getting injected into the economy just to give pkers...
We do the same thing with slayer and pvm, it’s everywhere
That’s the reason Wildy has to have such high gp rn, is cuz everywhere else does too
icy relic
most of PvM does not normally do that though
chrome lantern
The issue is largely that the difficulty, input, intensity, and requirements of the activities are far lower than their reward suggests.
icy relic
you sell drops to other players
chrome lantern
Like you don't kill fire giants for Rev loot
icy relic
like when you do doom you aren't printing raw gp into the economy due to alchs
icy relic
I'm not saying that the risk structure of wildy agi is bad, the implementation of both that and zombie pirates was not good
restive storm
*most* of PvM does not normally do that though
Almost all pvm does this lol
icy relic
adding new pvm encounters does not significantly affect this because there's also the question of opportunity cost
true talon
CG prints a massive amount of money and you can be naked
restive storm
Every slayer monster had Alchables loaded into its drop table, every boss outside of dt2, gwd have alchables/consistent drops strewn everywhere
restive storm
adding new pvm encounters does not significantly affect this because there's als...
Ya lost me
icy relic
adding more bosses shifts around the content you are doing
if old bosses gave a baseline level of alchs, people moving onto a new boss does not mean they would not have continued doing old moneymakers
so the economic impact is relatively stable unless they make something like hydra again that's not restricted
it's the opportunity cost of doing one piece of content over another
when you have a skilling method printing raw GP at a rate greater than any boss encounter, it is going to have a greater impact
restive storm
What about that doesn’t hold true to Wildy content lol
I just don’t see any difference
meager flame
the main difference with the wild and why people dont think its good
is that they're usually overtuned and require no effort to access
and that's because nobody would ever go do the content if it wasn't basically op
so its basically always going to be circular logic leading back to it being poorly designed so that anyone will think its worth dealing with
it might even be "balanced" in the sense of the guy doing it getting a reasonable exp/hr or gp/hr in the real world due to their deaths
but thats only if you pretend when they die those items disappear
when in reality they all hit the economy at max output because whoever pked them sells it instead
restive storm
Eh idk, honestly Wildy money makers as is, potentially barring Wildy agil are hardly even op in the first place rn compared to other content
Which is the definitely one reason people don’t really do them rn lol
small anvil
That's cuz they got nerfed repeatedly right?
meager flame
there is a reason bots flock to the content
there is no better gp in the game for someone trying to put zero effort into it
thats the whole problem at the end of the day
there are great ways to get items/gp/whatever but they all take time and effort
the wilderness does not
small anvil
It's also content kinda designed to be done while 3iteming
meager flame
ya its built to be so easy and so good that you dont care if someone tries to kill you
they're trying so hard to beg people to come do the content lol
small anvil
Making it inherently low requirement gear / account prog wise
meager flame
its the fundamental building block of basically all wilderness content
because jagex knows that if it did take time and effort
nobody would be willing to get pked while doing it
small anvil
Back in the old old days what drew people to the wildy besides boredom and the rune rocks?
meager flame
wanting to pvp
ember grove
the joy of killing each other
small anvil
Ya I meant besides finding other people to kill, having fun etc in the (boredom) part
meager flame
jagex decided that they could fix it if they added enough rewards
instead of trying to figure out how to make it fun
meager flame
basically this is what was in the wild
kbd but nobody cared
rune rocks but nobody really cared besides bots
abyss rc
green dragons
icy relic
green drags used to be basically be the only source of d bones other than taverley blue dragons
small anvil
Wildy slayer I guess?
zinc galleon
Back in the old old days what drew people to the wildy besides boredom and the r...
Adrenaline, oxytocin
meager flame
wildy slayer didn't exist
icy relic
back in like early wildy
meager flame
thats very new relative to that other stuff
small anvil
Gotcha
small anvil
But yeah, they tried for years to print more attractive things for people to go and it hasn't actually revitalized the wild
Oh mage arena
meager flame
and some people would do wilderness agility naked bc the exp was actually good
but like
thats not really relevant for people pking or anything back then
restive storm
ya its built to be so easy and so good that you dont care if someone tries to ki...
This is only done cuz if it ever has requirements pvmers piss and moan that they’re dying, why not give actual risk to content for people that wanna be there (don’t tell me 100k in 2026 for rev caves is risk)
small anvil
but basically the attractive content came to wildy after it started to decline I think?
icy relic
no
meager flame
none of the style of wilderness content you see now existed pre osrs
icy relic
it was an attempt to fix something that wasn't reversable
icy relic
the game expanded, pvm became more lucrative
small anvil
ya im just not clear on the timeline
restive storm
none of the style of wilderness content you see now existed pre osrs
Green drags were essentially rev caves/pirates
icy relic
before there were no good bosses
meager flame
ya green dragons were basically it
meager flame
and i guess if you were insane you could try to kill abyss rcers
those guys were dogshit though it was funny
icy relic
there was nothing particularly fun or exciting to do in the game other than go dds people
meager flame
i bet today you could actually make bank pking people running to the abyss
since nobody really does it
you know some idiot is running out there with a stack of 100k runes or something
icy relic
the number of irons losing 100m+ cashstacks at port roberts has to be studied
actual braindamage
small anvil
hope to 100-0 someone basically
restive storm
and i guess if you were insane you could try to kill abyss rcers
Glory’s back then were the equivalent to like 500k now
Maybe more
icy relic
I remember glories being 100k in rsc
meager flame
a glory back then was like 100k
icy relic
I cried because I scrounged up my bank to buy one and dropped it on the floor to appreciate it
meager flame
prices were like that in the old days lmao bc
icy relic
and then my dial-up internet cut out
meager flame
people would just decide that was the value at the bank
restive storm
Right but I’m saying that 100k in modern day is peanuts, 100k back then meant something
meager flame
and everyone else was like yeah fuck it collectively
and prices would just stay static forever
icy relic
100k in RSC cash did mean a lot
meager flame
idk i had 1b before 2008
a lot more people were kinda broke though
people would go on a journey to get their first whip for 3-4m etc
icy relic
damn I didn't even have free access to the internet until I went off to college
meager flame
tbh it was just like osrs today except people were generally dumber
so they would kind of cap out doing something that just didn't make enough gp/hr and stick with it
icy relic
nobody played with an efficiency mindset back then
the people who did were seen as gods
things like CW were thriving back then
zinc galleon
tbh it was just like osrs today except people were generally dumber
Yeah, every game is more fun when no one knows what the heck they’re doing and you’re all figuring it out together
icy relic
people did so many things that didn't progress their accounts just for the fun or social aspect
small anvil
old runescape was practically a social media platform
people hung out and did dumb stuff
meager flame
i mean i probably would've done what everyone else did except i did barrows and got a warspear and like that was 4x my bank
icy relic
even in 2010 pre-eoc I had so many people argue with me because I would tell them
meager flame
and i realized i had been wasting my time
icy relic
just go pvm for 5m/hr and then buy your skills
meager flame
so then i went off to figure out how to do that again etc
icy relic
and everyone would get mad at me in clan
they would insist on just gathering everything themselves and doing shit hybrid methods
zinc galleon
old runescape was practically a social media platform
I kind of miss this idea, now people look at it as like “afk 2nd monitor activity”, but it’s quite nice to just chop logs and chat
chrome lantern
they would insist on just gathering everything themselves and doing shit hybrid ...
"I'm saving money!"
meager flame
pking was actually sick too like when i had my first max combat 1 def pure
there probably weren't even 200 of us in the game
and i could just go farm people with like base 70 combats
small anvil
dedicated platforms for specific activities exist
while rs back then was kinda an everything activity
icy relic
pures were entirely meant to bypass the limitations of low wildy
people thought they were getting a fair fight and then get stacked out
small anvil
people were clowning on me for saying there's more dedicated pvp experiences out there now
for people to choose from
than just osrs wildy
the moba genre has gotten bigger, shooters of all sorts of genres that didnt exist before are around now
there's TCG games, TFT, sports games have better online now
people get their vs other player itch scratched elsewhere
floral blaze
I kind of miss this idea, now people look at it as like “afk 2nd monitor activit...
content that actually makes the game an MMO is frowned upon these days
restive storm
Oh for sure, it’s also partially cuz osrs hasn’t bothered to attempt to retain any of those kind of players
meager flame
i mean theres probably more options now but idk if it matters that much considering they had dozens of options at any given point
small anvil
RS was like a huge part of the cultural zeitgeist back then
like people played connect 4 at burthorpe
its just not gonna go back to the good ol days is all
meager flame
i would say the bigger reason osrs was more popular
is that the popularity of the gaming pc was much lower
and osrs was a browser game
icy relic
content that actually makes the game an MMO is frowned upon these days
It's so hard balancing this shit when you have people who want play for escapism after work
and then a crowd that wants to sit in an immersive world forever
one group runs out of content no matter how much of it you make and the other just wants to swipe to skip the grind and get to endgame
restive storm
one group runs out of content no matter how much of it you make and the other ju...
This is why a fun, dynamic PvP is so important, cuz it’s never ending content lol
small anvil
i dont think jagex should have ignored or kicked the can down the road as much as they have
restive storm
Unsure how jagex doesn’t see that and would rather churn out 1/4 or half baked content for people to do
small anvil
but i do think a bunch of pvpers are hoping for a past that will never return
icy relic
I don't think they can "solve" it
best they can do is get wildy to a state where the people who do enjoy it can find fights
restive storm
but i do think a bunch of pvpers are hoping for a past that will never return
Absolutely this as well
meager flame
tbf i dont really think osrs is much of a "traditional" mmo and never really was
its always been a game you mostly play by yourself but other people can see you
small anvil
original runescape was an everything app game lol
osrs is a pvm sandbox game with long time horizons
grindy + slow progression
icy relic
RSC was like club penguin and neopets
you just hop on to talk to people and click on shit
meager flame
like people are there the social interaction exists but the actual gameplay is rarely multiplayer if you get what i mean
ember grove
I think they need to just decide if the goal is to make a place for pkers or for pvmers
and hard commit to it instead of the awkward in-between where pkers can't fight and risk is limited but pvmers hate it anyway because they get constantly interrupted
small anvil
people found dedicated platforms for the things they liked
and got carved off from rs
meager flame
its not like you get on wow and cant play the game without getting friends to queue 3s or do a dungeon or raid
icy relic
I think at this point RS is as traditional a MMO as anything
narrow folio
it's popularly known that most content is solo 
zinc galleon
but i do think a bunch of pvpers are hoping for a past that will never return
Yeah, interestingly though i never went back to League of legends (probably my 2nd most played game of all time) to try and advocate for different things on their social medias.
icy relic
WoW popularized the holy trinity but it's not a necessity
narrow folio
and even most groupable content is soloable
restive storm
I think they need to just decide if the goal is to make a place for pkers or for...
Don’t think it needs to be made for one or the other but definitely more thought needs to be put into it
icy relic
Yeah, interestingly though i never went back to League of legends (probably my 2...
back when I cared more I used to do my old-man-screams-at-clouds thing all the time
restive storm
Cuz they been putting their brains on auto pilot when making changes to it and it ain’t working lol
icy relic
to bring things back closer to how they were in s3
hard axle
It's so hard balancing this shit when you have people who want play for escapism...
Escapism + wanting to finish everything is so contradictory, but they’re often the same group of people 😭
icy relic
and fix all the insane damage creep
meager flame
they kinda cant
ember grove
Don’t think it needs to be made for one or the other but definitely more thought...
I kinda feel like they're just out of ideas on how to do both and they sure haven't shown signs of trying
meager flame
the way the game is right now if two people are actually good at it and trying to kill each other on maxed accounts
small anvil
i think the wildy should be designed with pvpers in mind and specifically be designed to get pvpers to want to fight each other
meager flame
it either has to be a fight where its agreed that nobody will leave
icy relic
they want to win their lane and dunk on people
meager flame
or someone has to win the lottery and bang the other person out for over 100hp
restive storm
I kinda feel like they're just out of ideas on how to do both and they sure have...
Agreed which is why they clearly need help from players who know what they’re talking about lol
meager flame
otherwise they cant die
small anvil
jagex is very very clearly (in my eyes) in the habit of taking the easy route of kicking can down the road
and avoiding hard choices
meager flame
so if they reduced damage now people just wouldn't be able to die
icy relic
they used to make hard choices
small anvil
and pvp is just in a place of neglect
icy relic
guess what happened
chrome lantern
and avoiding hard choices
Sometimes this also means avoiding proper testing and fleshing out before release, lately
small anvil
like they COULD make choices that would annoy some % of people
zinc galleon
They are kind of suffering from success now in a way too, they got the engine running and trying to keep it going
small anvil
that would make wildy more healthy
icy relic
I am like the biggest free trade removal defender you will find
small anvil
but its not worth it for the like... 3-5%? of the players that actually do pvping
icy relic
99% of the playerbase voted for wildy to come back, I was that 1%
small anvil
(thats a generous as f estimation btw)
chrome lantern
I am like the biggest free trade removal defender you will find
What tier of defender is this relative to dragon
meager flame
tbh free trade removal was probably the right idea with the worst execution imaginable
so its hard to want them to try to do it again
small anvil
I mean the GE is huge
icy relic
GE, wildy removal, EoC
meager flame
ya thats the whole problem with how they did it
small anvil
and pvp workarounds on trade
icy relic
they were punished for making hard decisions to try to fix core problems with the game
meager flame
if they were sane there would've been playable exceptions and systems to help real people make it work
like an item loaning system without a cap or weird timers
just the ability to request your items back that takes like an hour
small anvil
item loaning way way depresses the value of items
minor whale
Yup
zinc galleon
they were punished for making hard decisions to try to fix core problems with th...
Maybe they need a king of osrs to make decisions and get rid of polling:)
chrome lantern
Also a renting market is kinda bad
icy relic
so now we have modern jagex pussyfooting around every little thing and releasing endless streams of midslop to desperately avoid being perceived as powercreeping things
even though we still get an enormous amount of powercreep
small anvil
demand is high on bis from everyone needing to own 1 once they have the gp for max gear
meager flame
i mean you can loan items right now
small anvil
game enforced loans
meager flame
and people do
restive storm
Maybe they need a king of osrs to make decisions and get rid of polling:)
I will bare this burden
meager flame
you just have to trust each other
minor whale
Item loaning makes nearly every item worthless when it's official
meager flame
stuff like that just would have to be enabled if you deleted free trade
small anvil
i dont think deleting free trade is the solution
meager flame
so that you weren't punishing normal people in pursuit of bots
minor whale
I think even talking about that is pointless, it's never going to happen again
small anvil
i think the GE largely stamped out a huge amount of scams
minor whale
They're not going to do free trade removal 2.0
meager flame
i mean it might one day
small anvil
bots would be able to move money through the GE still
ember grove
it won't
meager flame
they didn't do it the first time because they wanted to
small anvil
via price manipulation of low volume items
meager flame
and they're currently losing to the bots just like they did then
so something has to give
minor whale
They removed free trade to combat credit card fraud
small anvil
the "losing to the bots" narrative is a bit overstated i think
minor whale
Not solely because of bots
minor whale
Credit Card companies threatened to cut them off and it would have killed Jagex
That's nowhere near a threat now
restive storm
the "losing to the bots" narrative is a bit overstated i think
I don’t think it is, but the bots also pay jagex so why would they even care lol
ember grove
I think free trade removal has a buffer from ironmen not caring and many more people using the GE, but it'd still be a gamble and jagex hates real gambles
meager flame
i mean its not they gave us the stats they're banning millions of bots now and you see them right there next to you doing almost everything
zinc galleon
What if they removed bonds 🤔
restive storm
What if they removed bonds 🤔
Pls man no
small anvil
(i do admit i'm insulated from some bots due to playing on the total lvl worlds primarily)
restive storm
I’m not paying $60 a month to get ignored every update
meager flame
its the first time in osrs that its starting to feel like 2006/2007
zinc galleon
Pls man no
Wagie life
meager flame
where you just see them
small anvil
but like i dont think JAGEX thinks bots are a huge problem
the bot explosion over the summer was partly due to them not having an anti-cheat lead
icy relic
I don't think that's a fair assessment
ember grove
I think they're MUCH more likely to eventually force interaction via official client with stronger anticheat measures than to recreate free trade removal
small anvil
and the anti-cheat team is like.... 3 people max?
icy relic
they care about the problem but it takes a lot more resources than they can keep up with
and at the end of the day the playerbase is not okay with sweeping solutions to fix it
meager flame
and the anti-cheat team is like.... 3 people max?
ya thats kinda the point though
small anvil
they laid off their anti-bot person
meager flame
the volume is killing them
small anvil
they're not losing the war, they're not fighting it particularly hard
restive storm
Wagie life
Smh why did I not buy Berkshire Hathaway back in ‘68
meager flame
the more popular the game is the more incentive to bot and sell gold
restive storm
What was I thinking
meager flame
but i bet they're not hiring more anticheat people and investing to keep up
like lol
theres only so much 3 people can fight against
small anvil
(bots increase demand for bonds increases the value proposition of spending gp to get ahead on your char, more people buy bonds)
restive storm
Pvpcord lock in we’re getting thrown off track
zinc galleon
Some of the trident Callisto farms i ran into today weren’t even hopping worlds after i crashed them multiple times. They just dgaf 😂
meager flame
i do kind of expect the client thing though
they'll roll out the jagex plugin hub we'll get mostly feature parity and runelite will get taken out back
restive storm
Well first they gotta make their official client not suck ass
chrome lantern
The Jagex plugins on mobile rn are so bad
ember grove
they clearly hate runelite and also clearly hate that the entire dev team uses runelite too
chrome lantern
Minimenu swap is awful
restive storm
So that’s prob a decade away still
small anvil
jagex is slow walking replacing runelite because
- they dont want to invest that heavily in it,
- they dont want to lose the people who will quit without their runelite
icy relic
OSRS owes its success entirely to runelite
meager flame
i mean they're doing it the right way which is all we can ask for
they're giving us the tools to replace it with their client
icy relic
so much shit is highkey unplayable without RL
meager flame
instead of just telling us to get fucked lol
small anvil
plugins and runelite are already a way to outsource development to 3rd parties they dont have to pay
restive storm
so much shit is highkey unplayable without RL
U know how many streamers would stop whining if we just banned the pvp tracker?
zinc galleon
jagex is slow walking replacing runelite because
1. they dont want to invest t...
#2, what if its a bluff 🧐
restive storm
God PLEASE ban that thing
small anvil
for how much revenue jagex brings in they are like... incredibly cheap about investing in the game
restive storm
850 damage and HES STILL EATING
meager flame
oh its not a bluff if you told me i had to play with the current day default client
restive storm
Like my god grow up
meager flame
i wouldn't even login
small anvil
yeah i would totally just wait for things to get better
meager flame
i did my time with the default jagex stuff for years
icy relic
I definitely wouldn't
restive storm
Brew counting Andy’s make me miss the old days
Cuz it’s always the jobless people with 14 hours a day to pk whining ab it
scarlet dawn
jagex is slow walking replacing runelite because
1. they dont want to invest t...
Fair, better that way
icy relic
RL just fixes everything they mess up without having to wait 6 months for them to get around to addressing it
meager flame
im kinda curious how open the plugin hub will be for just anyone trying to make something
restive storm
RL just fixes everything they mess up without having to wait 6 months for them t...
Y will RL not fix the escape caves
Those have been a problem for like 2 years
meager flame
because jagex is like so bad at ui design and giving you the information that you need in a quickly readable way sometimes that like
chrome lantern
Y will RL not fix the escape caves <:peepognomeblush:883097932780421202>
Jagex has heard you and will be adding 4 more layers to the escape caves filled with Hallowed Sepulcher traps
meager flame
i'll probably just make stuff in lua for myself just to fix it when new stuff comes out
if its accessible enough lmao
restive storm
Jagex has heard you and will be adding 4 more layers to the escape caves filled ...
You’re mistaken that’s actually getting added to raids 4
icy relic
based
restive storm
Enjoy pvmer goons
chrome lantern
I love sepulcher so that's fine
icy relic
skilling raid when
zinc galleon
Those have been a problem for like 2 years
Escape caves is an item sink for foods and anti poison, working as intended 🤓
meager flame
they do crazy stuff like the default left click options everywhere in sailing
restive storm
Do you enjoy typeless damage being spammed the whole time while you avoid the obstacles?
icy relic
yeh, add one-shots too
restive storm
yeh, add one-shots too
Only if skulled 
💯 🔥
icy relic
o-only if unskulled?
meager flame
like for example the one really good thing about watchdog
restive storm
No, too unfair to pvmers, they need help cuz how are they supposed to kill someone with only zcb, claw, hally and vw with vengeance?
meager flame
jagex needs to know that typing anything in your chat box feels like someone tried to technically tell you something is happening
but didn't actually want you to know
lmao its so bad
chrome lantern
wym
meager flame
like a lot of people don't even play the game with the chat box open
chrome lantern
Yeah that's just stupid
icy relic
I'm kinda surprised the tob plugin doesn't tell you how long until bloat is going down
chrome lantern
I have it on "all" 100% of the time
meager flame
not really its valuable screen space and theres like no reason they should be hiding things in like 8 point font in the bottom left of your screen
that they want you to know about
chrome lantern
It's not hidden, it's a very standard and clear place where they put information
meager flame
they can easily just show the same text over your head or make a graphic or telegraph of some sort to achieve the same thing
chrome lantern
And it's also almost always accompanied by sound effects that people also ignore xd
meager flame
and its just way better when someone fixes it with a plugin like every time lol
chrome lantern
I don't agree
Fixing implies something is wrong or broken
It's not
People are just lazy
ember grove
I close the textbox because even with clickthrough the edges of it block actual game content
meager flame
i mean i dont really think someone closing the chat box to see more gameplay is lazy
if anything its lazy from jagex since they can still display the text without the chatbox when its important
and not clutter people's screens otherwise
chrome lantern
Where?
meager flame
at least they let you move the scroll bar to the left
so you're unlikely to click that in the middle of doing stuff
at least i think that's jagex
could be runelite i guess lmao
torpid delta
that's vanilla ye
chrome lantern
That's base game
torpid delta
sol did the text stuff okay since he actually yells in text-ingame
chrome lantern
Pretty much anything you could ever want to see if your chatbox is accompanied by sound, visual, or usually both
torpid delta
but like imagine if he didn't and you had to look at your box for that during a fight that 100% demands you to be staring at the boss the entire time
pain
chrome lantern
You mean the bright red text with a highlighted component?