game-update

[small anvil]

Ya all ways of sneaking to p2p is disabled

[limber creek]

i mean multi revs is already in the files

you aint gotta dev a thing lol

[small anvil]

Also region locking from leagues

[brisk hill]

more like, is there a system that stops players from going to certain parts of the game

but yea there are a couple

[small anvil]

Idk, it's the idea I've had for a while

Just like squitz pet issue is PJ timer

[brisk hill]

already cant hop into p2p areas if f2p and have membership on ur acc

so that could be used to rpevent hoppnig into wildy locs?

idk

[vivid ruin]

More structure in the wild would also be nice but thats not important

[hard axle]

i'd argue the baseline rules need to be adjusted cuz nothing under 30 wild will ever be fair

either too good or not worth the time

[limber creek]

Id be fine if they were killable in any sense of the word. But the 1t auto teleport bullshit completely kills it.

We know you dont like bots well neither do we at jagex. Thats why we made it so bots can automatically leave when they see you that way you don't have to deal with them. Ass logic.

[hard axle]

It's also the fact that TB has a shorter attack range than the time it takes to get in range to TB someone

So they always have time to tp out

[limber creek]

Even logging in on top of them does nothing 🙁

[hard axle]

This is why the afk artio method is so good btw

cuz u just camp the door

[limber creek]

Idk about you but sometimes i click a prayer potion or food when im pvming /shrug/

[hard axle]

and they drop in on the opposite side of the room

[vivid ruin]

Love dropping in to vet and bot disappears before you can move your mouse

[limber creek]

uh oh a player how should i counterplay. oh i know. ill logout immediately because im not in combat with this boss im killing.

https://tenor.com/bPKdv.gif

[restive storm]

bro honestly im bored, any1 in here that isnt a strict pvper in the conversation wanna give me a tank test rq?

ill risk +50m just for u

sorry work actually asked me to do something last hr or so

[brisk hill]

they'd sort their priorities if they knew you were fighting for the greater good

[restive storm]

but fr any of the people who have typed in here today dm me on disc, ill tank test and risk 250m and u can wear whatever gear u want, ill start at revs north ent

(not u pvper goons)

[limber creek]

Hello it is i Not zom.

lol id love to watch them try

[restive storm]

honestly same, cuz im just bringing freezes and its gonna last sub 30 seconds

[limber creek]

it would be so enlightening to some.

[narrow folio]

Tank test means not attempting to freezelog yes?

[restive storm]

no? why would it mean that in modern day?

freeze log is tanking rn

[limber creek]

He starts at 50 wildy. U kill him before 0 wilderness.

Thats the only requirement.

[restive storm]

we start at 53 wiildy, i freeze u in 53 wildy and walk under

[narrow folio]

To me it means you run down to safety instead of freeze cheese

[restive storm]

i tank tested u at 53 wildy

[restive storm]

freeze cheese is the game we play rn my boy, im asking you guys to change it

[limber creek]

freeze logging has both helped me and screwed me over countless times.
I dont know a good fix lol.

I just know im using it if everyone else is XD

[restive storm]

for sure, but the times where its helped me, i know i can escape so i risk more than i should b e

[limber creek]

tbf i never take shit i care about losing so i wouldn't be chuffed if they fixxed it at all lol

[restive storm]

i have no fears, 8 beers deep ill send a 600m set cuz whats the worst that can happen?

[limber creek]

i dont risk like that but at least in the 10's of mils XD

[restive storm]

yeah, but for me theres a 1/6000 chance that someone i dont want to hits me, and even if they do, theres a 95% i still catch a barrage and log out

cuz theyre stuck on normals so gg

ive gotten caught 1 time and gotten 1 hail mary's ags/mauled by spuid in 3 years, and it was on like 105 hp

in bloodbark

[limber creek]

spuidward? lol

or w/e his name is

[restive storm]

yeah hes the only person to ever actually get a chance on me

and it was like a 2%er

he woulda had to hit a 105 ags/maul while camping bloodbark

[limber creek]

Possible not plausible.

[restive storm]

agreed

but nobody else has ever come remotely close

and ive skull tricked/passed 12b in the meantime

so

[brisk hill]

cant even take noobs out to pk if u wanted

hey welcome to 50's.. hop till you find something that isnt a bot..

[restive storm]

know how fast i'd be cleared outta my set if it wasnt singles+?

[brisk hill]

havent seen enchanted robes in years

[limber creek]

thats the official LC uniform i thought lol.

[restive storm]

u clearly havent met Mr. Gattu Pk

the ACTUAL revenant of dark beast

[silk thicket]

Enchanted top light mystic bots best fashionscape

[scarlet dawn]

Can someone tl;dr the last 300 messages? 😄

Did you add anything new to your list? @brisk hill

[restive storm]

revert pj timer, revert revs to multi, add burning neck to house

[scarlet dawn]

[restive storm]

• fix escape caves

[chrome lantern]

I really wish we had more input on more nuanced aspects of these polls. The canoe system for example could be so so much better but if you vote no it’s just never getting added at all, and if you vote yes it won’t be touched for years.

[restive storm]

• logout timer wildy wide unless elite diary

[brisk hill]

wdym?

[limber creek]

i still dont want bots with the elite diary getting out but for now it will suffice.

[silk thicket]

How would it work

[limber creek]

Anything is better than now

[restive storm]

if in combat then logout/tele timer, if not then its fine

[limber creek]

and make being in vetions lair count as being in combat

[silk thicket]

Like dmm

Idk if it’d be possible to do that tho

Cuz “in combat” means taking damage

Outside of wildy pj thing

It’d be a rework of how the game works

[small anvil]

Angler never overheals:(

[limber creek]

lololol yeah vetion just busted

but whatever more important things.

Knowing the game, we'll probably get marlins in resource arena before we get multi revs or a tele delay sub 30

[icy relic]

Resource area is dumb

[scarlet dawn]

That picture you posted earlier with pros and cons lol

[restive storm]

its so bad

[limber creek]

its terrible lol

[restive storm]

wanna mine rune here? sure but its worse than mining rune anywhere else in the game

same w/ yew trees, iron etc

[icy relic]

Based on like 2003 levels of resource scarcity

[ember token]

remember how they asked players how they felt about he box jonge's resource area proposal in a survey, and then never followed up on it

[restive storm]

this is exactly what theyve done with the last 3 wildy surveys

asked, then kindly never talked about them again

[limber creek]

i forgot all about that lol.

[restive storm]

we had one ~2-3 months ago

anyone heard anything about that?

[ember token]

i dont think i even heard about that one in the first place

[scarlet dawn]

Same

[restive storm]

was like their yearly survey, and the #1 pvp question was "do you want a boss that 1 shots skulled people and is easier to farm unskulled?"

hilarious stuff

[ember token]

oh the yearly survey

[restive storm]

as if unskullers dont have unbelievable advantages currently

[limber creek]

they should jjust add that content oh idk. outside of the wilderness.

wouldnt that be some shit if u went to fight doom and kept getting one shot until someone figured out it was from being skulled lol

[icy relic]

It's not even particularly good outside the wilderness, that stuff is just outdated to begin with

[restive storm]

yueah i mean its obviously just rage bait for pvpers

[ember token]

to clarify thats not what the question was, it was just something like a boss that prioritizes or is stronger vs. skulled players or smth

[restive storm]

i gotta say, how is it that even during the workweek that 0 jmods ever respond in this discord ever? like is jmod interaction just not a thing anymore?

tried to look up blossom's comments and it looked like it's been years from her last post despite being told she's who i should talk to about discord stuff

[ripe hare]

voted no on all ty

[tacit wharf]

mod light and yume are typically the ones responding in here

[ripe hare]

who?

[restive storm]

kinda weird given that i was told by another jmod to ask blossom about disc stuff

but i guess i may have to try dm? idk

[oblique mesa]

Because the community engagement people know better than to start talking with people who have been obsessed posting about their pet idea for days straight

[tacit wharf]

☝️

[limber creek]

They can't even make us a pvp channel :(.

[restive storm]

pet idea?

[restive storm]

2 years "we're still discussing"

[tacit wharf]

that being said, typically u dont wanna ping the mods unless they are actively talking as well, some are more responsive than others

[restive storm]

yeah ik the chat mods whine and cry about that constantly

then the jmods never actually actively talk

so like how do we contact them lol

[limber creek]

Why be a mod if you don't wanna mod

[winged mantle]

They respond after updates pre much

[limber creek]

Just say no brother its discord.

[restive storm]

they still dont do this lol

[winged mantle]

Goblin does 👑

[tacit wharf]

its not whining and crying, there's just a time and place to do it

[restive storm]

there is no time, nor place, is the point

[ember token]

blossom and others USED to make posts in #1305858575385755678, respond here after updates ,etc

[restive storm]

i get dm's occaisionally, but moreso just kinda on a personal level. Nothing actual jagex related rly

[tacit wharf]

the amount of @ ash's i see with some weird paragrash on a weeknight

[chrome lantern]

Yeah even when they do it tends to be a pretty small window of time

[restive storm]

maybe like 1-2 times a year

[winged mantle]

Oh weird

But yeah whenever there's an update last year the jmods were pretty active in chat

They've been on the quiet side since dec

[limber creek]

Looks like mod blossom has only talked in mobile this year at all.

Guessing they do mobile things.

[chrome lantern]

It was on a huge decline long before that tbh

[limber creek]

Wonder where manked is

[restive storm]

yeah its basically like 15 minutes to tell us "what 💃 do we 💃 love 💃 about 💃 sailing?💃 and what 💃 can we 💃 improve?" before they swiftly ignore all feedback

[limber creek]

oh manked hasnt typed since 2/12/2025

[chrome lantern]

It’s probably been most of a year since I saw active mod chat in here for longer than like very very soon after update posts if even that

[restive storm]

yeah idk why they have this discord anymore tbh lol

[chrome lantern]

Sometimes they respond if you reply to something they said earlier

[brisk hill]

tbf they were grinding sailorman for a bit i bet

[restive storm]

no more streams 🙁 no more discord chats 🙁 just communication dead despite having 5x the community managers we've ever had

[chrome lantern]

Idk the last time there was ever any recognition at all of anything in #1022203837265756231 specifically

[limber creek]

Manked has 8 whole posts.

Pvp community is certainly getting a single thread of attention.

[ember token]

no, theyre a community manager

[limber creek]

you have to post to reddit for that.

[vivid ruin]

I had mod roc try to criticize my suggestion early/mid last year

[chrome lantern]

And even things that have come into the game related to posts in suggestions have also been suggested in other places so it’s hard to even know yeah

[restive storm]

right and our grievance is that we have like 6 "community managers" who do nothing but write blogs and not talk to the community lol

[ember token]

manked has never been active here, i would guess all his messages are responding to pings

[limber creek]

how would he respond to pings if we're not allowed to ping him

[brisk hill]

missing active manked and goblin in pvp cord

[restive storm]

like you could pretty much chatGPT write blogs at this point, so why have em all

[restive storm]

they were so good in there man

[ember token]

you're not physically stopped from typing @ mod manked and pinging him

[chrome lantern]

I think that in general it’s troubling that Jagex has limited their forms of communication so much:
-Posting official blog posts
-Posting official teasers and statements only on x that never get shared anywhere else
-Linking blog posts to Reddit
-Responding to posts on Reddit

Like the only way to get any Jmod interaction seems to be Reddit but that place is awful so I don’t go there

It’s a bad way to communicate

[restive storm]

Manked is generally pretty active in the seperate dmm discords, but like dmm isn’t the main game. So it’s pretty disappointing that jagex doesn’t have him spend any sort of time here

Let alone give us a channel to talk PvP stuff

[chrome lantern]

And the community there is very skewed on Reddit

[limber creek]

my name says how i feel about it.

[winged mantle]

Literally

[chrome lantern]

Though by logical continuation of my reasoning

[brisk hill]

i think if we continue to type here we should get something eventually

[chrome lantern]

Me pointing this out is also pointless

[restive storm]

I mean half the discourse is about w45 which like 50 people play, but like why are we doing this?

[chrome lantern]

Because they’ll never read it

[limber creek]

they wont but some streamer eventually will and then we're in.

[restive storm]

Agreed half the reason I’ve been talking lol, I made the sailing discord pre release a pseudo pvp cord in a weekly basis. Oddly enough they were pretty receptive to feedback

A lot of them agreed removing the pj timer would be a good thing when I was thru with them

[limber creek]

why tf i gotta join 80 different discords find 100 different websites and get 10k+ kills just to be heard a little is beyond me.

[dawn jackal]

"when i was thru with them" is crazy

[chrome lantern]

It’s honestly weird to me that the Sailing Discord even existed tbh

Or the Leagues Discord

[restive storm]

They shut down the discord ☹️ else I’d still be on my crusade in there

[winged mantle]

If anything this discord should be the central hub of coms from the jmods

[limber creek]

Agreed

[restive storm]

There is no hub of coms. Is kinda our gripe

[oblique mesa]

Discord is bad for organizing information and making it easy to find stuff

[winged mantle]

Yeah 😔

[ember token]

reddit is the hub of comms more or less at this point

[velvet path]

yeah discord sucks for communication, unless you are literally staring at the channel 24/7 you miss so much stuff

[restive storm]

Dw the streamers are at jagex hq for the anniversary event so big news bound to hit soon /s

[ember token]

oh hi wembler

[velvet path]

hi data

[dawn jackal]

its unfortunate the reddit is so terrible. Its the most visibile community forum so jagex is forced to care about it to some degree

[velvet path]

interesting to note that discourse about communication is the same everywhere

[limber creek]

can't wait to hear about their big plan for multi pking.

[restive storm]

Maybe just delete the suggestions channels then rather than make people waste their time posting there since they cba to read it

[oblique mesa]

Why? It's a good filter for the crazies

[brisk hill]

hire me for the price of mems on my accs & I'll go thru them

👍

[chrome lantern]

I do also think that these issues people say about Discord apply to Reddit as well though

It’s not really any better of a medium for these things

[limber creek]

I dont care about cornbob getting his first fire cape in 2026.

[velvet path]

honestly replying to it tends to go over worse than just lurking and reading it

from previous experience

[restive storm]

Idk maybe, but I also was in direct contact with multiple jmods via the sailing discord about how awful it felt moving from salvage spot to salvage spot. The whole discord thought I was crazy; and then 2 weeks after release lo and behold nobody wanted to reman their boat and drive around with the clunky system to different spots so they put doubles everywhere. It’s that kind of “I know better than you” attitude that gets walked back and never acknowledged that’s so infuriating

[limber creek]

The fact everyone was just moving to doubles and relogging when they werent up shouldve been a good enough indicator too lol.

Either no doubles or we're going to metagame it.

[restive storm]

Bro I yapped about this to them since ALPHA and jagex and the sailing bootlickers plugged their ears and told me I was wrong only to be proven right two days in

Was the biggest thing I gave them a hard time for and they all told me I was wrong

[limber creek]

it got tested real good too. Has plenty of endgame for everyone to enjoy at the higher sailing levels.
And absolutely no bugs that let people that were on hour of release skip the first levels easily.

[scarlet dawn]

I alt+f4'd during the demo when I got stuck below this bridge going to the wizard tower south of draynor (skill diff ig)

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/kenan-thompson-snl-saturday-night-live-yep-yes-gif-8397555225657125848

[restive storm]

Idk bro that whole release really told me all I need to know about the current team

Absolute cluster

[limber creek]

Idk sailing just feels like a skill entirely for ironmen to me.

[restive storm]

Well there’s for sure no reason anyone else would do it lol

[ember token]

the release was quite stable

0 major bugs

[limber creek]

Yes. my boat only jittered all day long for days.

[restive storm]

0 bugs but just sucked throughout as far as there being 0 content

[limber creek]

Stealing peoples cannonballs at port was intended.

Its my pirate fantasy.

[restive storm]

Mighta been the best thing about sailing as a whole tbh

[icy relic]

Cannonball stall is great

[limber creek]

Nah ironmen losing their cash stacks trying to get cannonballs was the best to me.

And now i have to deal with logout timer every single night. Thanks jagex.

Update completely made without ever thinking of pkers at all lol.

[icy relic]

also in what world is sailing an iron update

when cannon barrels are 1/20k and you need 600 dragon nails to upgrade one sloop

[oblique mesa]

Updates I don't like = update for ironmen
updates I like = goated

simple as

[limber creek]

I dont need 30 thousand amethysts. And unlimited alchs. I am a main i will simply b uy these things.

[icy relic]

oh no jagex added items to a loot table, accursed iron update

[limber creek]

Sorry i offended you.
oh

[restive storm]

The good news is they’re totally useless so you do t need em anyway

[icy relic]

It's not good news that they made dogshit time waste content but yeah

[velvet path]

i mean the problem is the jmods arent just randos on discord, and by replying they are now accountable for everything they say so they cant really say anything definitive without being possibly wrong in the future and so the safest thing is to not talk

[hard axle]

5 barrels on the way to 99

[brisk hill]

Bond?

[restive storm]

Hey man I tried to tell them from the beginning that sailing was a gigantic waste of dev time

I ain’t gonna accuse them of implementing it well

[brisk hill]

I enjoyed getting 99 but I did 2 pieces of content to do it which I’m assuming isn’t how they wanted the skill

[limber creek]

fair lol

[icy relic]

I really can't wait until we get the reddit islands

what midgame slop will we get this time

[dawn jackal]

40k xp / hr planet fitness island !!

[restive storm]

I see you bro u just want 6h afk runedrafting and agility

[hard axle]

god...

[brisk hill]

@icy relic come on just think about what we could get …

[hard axle]

i've been told by rs3 players that we're just going in a repeat cycle

6 hour afk this

30 minute afk that

free method this

[limber creek]

ill take it atp.

[hard axle]

bis method is afk that

[icy relic]

RS3 skills have all been better than this except divination

divination lmao

[hard axle]

the sand digging for construction xp on rs3 or something

afk, completely free

decent

[brisk hill]

Is there an rs3 skill that makes sense in osrs

[icy relic]

there's more to skills than whether or not it's afk

and what the xp is

[hard axle]

not to reddit

[brisk hill]

Idk nothin so idk

[limber creek]

Is there multi revenants i got an idea.

[hard axle]

they literally think that a skill is a failure if it doesn't have an afk method

[chrome lantern]

Reminder that Port Tasks were the baseline training method they "balanced" everything against xd

[ember token]

archaeology is the top choice i think

[chrome lantern]

Yeah this is a problem

[icy relic]

RS3 has definitely gone down the AFK route but it has a completely different game philosophy

[velvet path]

archaeology would be awesome

[restive storm]

@brisk hill y’all some pansies bro cmon I maxed my pure and main u can do it

[limber creek]

and im sorry ironmen i was off base. This skill wasn't made for you. Atp it wasn't made for anyone lolol

[icy relic]

you MUST get 99 minimum, some skills even go up to 120

[velvet path]

i need the museum to have 30 floors

[hard axle]

the vulgarity when duke mining was patched cuz 6 hour metho

xdf

[icy relic]

so you need a lot more exp in general

and a lot of endgame upgrades are gated behind 90+ skilling

[brisk hill]

Yes - pls give 2 clicks per 4 min runecraft

[chrome lantern]

I do think it's generally good to have more things have personal skill reqs. Elidinis' ward (f) is generally good other than the process for obtaining it sucking balls

[restive storm]

What if I told u it already is

[icy relic]

OSRS asking for afk methods doesn't make sense when half our skills are already minigamescaped and you don't require going past 70

[small anvil]

Pvper tries to skill challenge (impossible)

[hard axle]

it was made for dumb copers that just wanted to throw a rock into the already moving waves and insisted maxed folks just didn't want to max

[restive storm]

Anyway fiancée home gotta lock in on cooking bbl

[chrome lantern]

And the fact that magic offhands do way too little

[hard axle]

guess what, i've maxed sailing multiple times cuz salvaging was legit braindead as fuck

[limber creek]

best shit i read all day lol

[brisk hill]

Hey off! Most pkers have more than 1 acc

[hard axle]

far fewer people suggested buff trials when they nerfed salvaging btw

everyone was just like "rebuff salvaging"

[brisk hill]

You try getting 77 rc over & over & over

[chrome lantern]

I suggested nerfing trials and salvaging tbh

[icy relic]

trials don't need buffs

[chrome lantern]

Trials were just a memorization quiz

Had little to no skill expression after the first few times you learn the route

[hard axle]

it's fine where it is, but the amount of people kept saying just undo salvaging nerfs didn't understand why it was so busted in the first place, just that their shiny toy was taken away

I was hitting like 61-63k/hr 30 minute afk until cargo hold was full

while doing tob or some other shit

[icy relic]

I would be fine with them nerfing salvaging into the ground if they removed dragon cannon

[chrome lantern]

The thing that is worth pointing out

[hard axle]

it's more fair now at 41-42k/hr

but still miles better than other skills

because 30 mintue methods in general are just so stupid

[icy relic]

meanwhile trawling is complete ass exp despite being the most active of all sailing methods

[chrome lantern]

Jagex literally in Sailing Dev Q&A before the skill released said they thought AFK methods were too generous.

Then they added the Salvaging station after that and also weren't even properly accounting for the Crystal Extractor

Like what were they doing

[chrome lantern]

Get rid of spamclick trawling and buff the baseline

[hard axle]

u know how they could've nerfed crystal extractor interaction without nerfing XP rates?

make it impossible to build behind the salvaging station

that would've solved it too lmao

[chrome lantern]

I had mine where you put it on the skiff for like

[hard axle]

make it only available next to helm

[chrome lantern]

73-97 Sailing because I didn't want to pay 3m to move it (my tele focus was next to salvaging station)

[hard axle]

and it would've fixed it

[chrome lantern]

Idk I still used it on cooldown :p

Actually I didn't

Because people drastically overstated the xp from it, I certainly was NOT using it every minute

Not when AFKing

[restive storm]

I’d argue most pvpers have higher lvl accounts than most players anyway

[bronze kernel]

I'm here like "Make courier tasks better"

[scarlet dawn]

W552 GE 398 bots in one spot

Go get 'em mods!

[ember token]

meanwhile over in the UK

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-sleeping-sleepy-cat-cat-cute-gif-5647373625706459185

[restive storm]

No mod could possibly care any less even if they were awake icl

[meager flame]

im ngl they're cooked when it comes to bots anyways

just look at their bot updates

we're overrun and see them everywhere and jagex is like hey we banned a few million accounts recently

lmao these dudes are destroying jagex anticheat with volume

[restive storm]

yeah unironically i think they lost that war, their ACT just cant keep up with the developments of bots without more investment than its probably worth to them

[meager flame]

i mean the war isn't over yet they do have a few nuclear options left

but its clear they're getting spanked

[restive storm]

back in the day they used to be able to go after bot makers but with it all just being thru RL now i think its kinda over

[meager flame]

its been feeling like 06/07 levels of silly though

where you're just constantly visibly seeing them

usually they had it more under control where if you wanted you could find them but they weren't just like

on your screen at all times

[harsh herald]

here's a funny post of how bots / macroers were treated Jagex back in 2004, clearly before they had a PR team - https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:More_cheating_scum_banned

[meager flame]

i guess it makes some sense though

game getting more popular so incentive to bot is going up with it

investments into stopping them have a good chance of not going up though

[full birch]

its harder to catch the botters the more advanced the techniques get however gold buying can only go so many ways

if you cant kill the bots kill their reason for existing and further augment buyer detection

[harsh herald]

Yeah, I mean, youre not going to find gold farmers or bots in a game thats dead. But i don't think ideas like Sarachnis being instanced while its heavily botted is going to help much with the issues

[tacit wharf]

cant u go into account settings somewhere

[restive storm]

.......................................

[tacit wharf]

think thats just next log in

[restive storm]

i am the dumbest person

alive

[meager flame]

yeah but this leads to the final option and only proven one to really stop the gold seller side of botting

[icy relic]

No free trade baybee!

I still remember the day all the scammers, lurers, and dicers came back to the GE

[meager flame]

same actually although it was me and people running around in the wild

i always do wonder what the no free trade thing could've been if they were actually ready for it and made good choices

the way they did it was truly terrible lol they just dropped it on the game and were slow to build anything around it and a lot of the time it was sort of nonsense

like their item lending system was late and garbage

[icy relic]

Ended up being phat lending for money

And clunky to work around the time limits

[meager flame]

like idk why it had time limits or a limit to what you could lend

[icy relic]

But despite all that, it still ended up being a really memorable and fun phase

[meager flame]

it should've just let you give people whatever items and you could start a timer for their return whenever you wanted that would take like

idk 30 mins or an hour

[icy relic]

Yeh

LSP was also bad

[meager flame]

i feel like that one would be really easy to solve but the osrs community kinda went crazy when they had the chance to have it

[icy relic]

But they tried at least

Old Jagex was ambitious

Even if it didn't work out

[meager flame]

we could've had a coin share that just sold the item on the GE and delivered the split to your bank/ge interface

we'd probably even use it right now because like

why not

its easier and prevents scams lol

[icy relic]

Easier way of doing splits

[meager flame]

if they combined that with fixing the max cash limit on ge it would be pretty much bullet proof

[icy relic]

Would be really nice and easy, could potentially even cover irons

[meager flame]

idk how they would include irons unless they were only included on dupes or something

and it put the gp in a pouch to buy bonds idk

[icy relic]

Splits go into lootshare coffer that you can't withdraw from but can deposit GP into

If you have enough in the coffer to split, you get the item, if not, you get the split added to your coffer

[meager flame]

yeah that would work but idk how many people would really use that on their iron lol that would probably be an opt out and do it how we currently do moment

[icy relic]

Yeh could just opt out

But some don't like raiding with FFA irons and that would smooth out that issue ig?

[meager flame]

i guess nothing is stopping jagex from making it customizable though

[silk thicket]

Since no preventative action on ragging can we get bans or at least info on what evidence is needed for a ban 👍

[weary stag]

Crew getting the full duration of speed boost is gonna be nice for marlins

[timber drift]

razmire shop still able to be used for illicit activities, charred island salamanders still bugged 12$ 🦀 🦀 🦀 🦀 🦀 small indie company

[gleaming arch]

When can we expect the Shellbane Gryphon Ca’s?

[vestal olive]

I hope the update to quests is good. As a new player i would love to just quest without outside help

[chrome lantern]

I have no clue what either of the things you’re referring to mean

[timber drift]

ok?

[chrome lantern]

Hard to get support if nobody knows what you’re talking about

[timber drift]

you dont know*

[chrome lantern]

Maybe could help if you actually said what was wrong

No

I don’t

[timber drift]

dont ping me with your incompetence

[chrome lantern]

I’ve never seen a single person mention anything about it before

[restive siren]

12$

[chrome lantern]

And clearly you can’t be a real person talking like that

[timber drift]

this isn't about you lil bro

[restive siren]

im sure a jagex mod will read that and appreciate the well thoughout and respectful feedback lil bro

[timber drift]

they can defer to my bug reports on both

[candid canyon]

I am baffled we still dont have a pet chance on sorting update

[vivid ruin]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[timber drift]

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1q08flo/red_salamanders_on_charred_island_are_still/

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1ppprhv/has_anyone_tried_the_new_red_salamander_spot_on/

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1piuf90/charred_island_salamander_traps_glitched/

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1padux0/charred_island_net_trap_bug/

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1pa7ucu/are_the_red_salamanders_net_spots_on_charred/

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1pa7ucu/are_the_red_salamanders_net_spots_on_charred/

hope this helps king kong magnum dong

https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1q6hiv0/another_update_and_red_sally_charred_island_still/

[vivid ruin]

You could've explained it instead of spamming reddit posts

Would've been plenty

[timber drift]

thats not me i submitted ingame bug report

i cant show those

stop trolling

[dire mango]

i need more reddit posts to be convinced tbh. red lizard propaganda

[timber drift]

maybe i will make one myself

join me in the cause

[vivid ruin]

I need a few on the razmire shop topic pls

[timber drift]

almost 2y at this point

alts are encouraged

[dire mango]

This is a classic arms race. The salamanders of the charred island have clearly figured out how to dismantle traps. The hunters need to adapt. Jagex must not intervene.

[vivid ruin]

Must bring tbow for salamander hunting now

[timber drift]

anyway good to know the discord goblins are still avid posters here surely a fix next week 🙏 have a good one

[dire mango]

you too PLEASE FIX RAZMIRE SHOP JAGEX. until next update

[left wolf]

is it a good update this week?

[vivid ruin]

Its maintenance

[candid canyon]

pls jamflex

[timber drift]

pretty sure they dont want the pet to be 30 min afk but might be wrong

didnt the salvaging fixes etc say that was intentional?

would make sense (to me) at any rate

[candid canyon]

i mean sorting itself is not 30 min afk, no different than pet chance from redwoods and dropping all the logs

make it a ridic chance idc, just make it a chance

[rustic idol]

How long until game works again?

[lofty coyote]

With the new update on skill guides, what's the criteria to have the new interface turned on? Mostly worried that Mad season will miss it and he really needs some guidance for slayer 😅

Related to it: should there be an easy way for new player to see a monster's drop table? I'm worried a fully unguided player will never know which bosses/minigames to farm

[sullen parrot]

Right now

[still sundial]

looks like the STASH unit on Brittle Island requires the rosewood bp to have darts inside it

[placid shuttle]

Am I tripping, but I swear before this update you used to be able to open the skill iterfaces without it interupting actions?

[magic halo]

we can. or could?

[placid shuttle]

prio to update I thought you could

But it now interupts

I'm mining dense runestone in zeah and clicked a skill icon and it stopped my action

strangely once its interuppted you, you can click to do the action again and all if fine. So interface must be open first

[magic jetty]

When getting back on past the update , stars mining seems to not work , the runelite plugin shows the locations , but no node to mine . Did it break?

[timber drift]

server reset resets stars

will go back to normal in a bit

prob just 'old' stars from before reset

[magic jetty]

gotcha thank you

[limber wolf]

does that mean combat will kick us out of the menu again? missclicks have been real punishing since that update

[median raven]

For the shortening of agility shortcuts, I think that should be a reward for 99 agility, as of now there are not too many incentives for 99. Thoughts?

[placid shuttle]

Not sure about combat, I'm only experiencing it with dense runestone in zeah. nothing else I've tried is cancelling

[limber creek]

Add Multi Revenants.

[lofty coyote]

That would make it so people wouldn't bother. It's not worth grinding hundreds of hours for that

I could see shortcuts being faster based on your level, but not a binary at 99

[bronze kernel]

Massive indirect buff to Courier tasks today. LFG

[median raven]

I mean outside of maxing there isn’t a reason to grind 99 agility, quality of life can be an incentive

[bronze kernel]

Run energy drain/restore

[lofty coyote]

Maybe do something like RC and have it be incremental. Twice as fast at a certain level relative to the shortcut

[limber creek]

lowering shortcuts would change pvp to much. No thanks!

adding 99 agility just to pk is not acceptable lol.

[bronze kernel]

Reward players with higher skill levels. Not my fault you neglected a skill.

[limber creek]

Not everything has to be mondo easy scape.

[dawn raven]

do we know when the ca's for the shellbane gryphon are comming?

[lofty coyote]

It's completely irrelevant as that only impacts pkers chasing non pkers which is a stupid mechanic anyway

"oh no, I don't get to loot a spade"

[median raven]

They already mentioned changing the shortcuts, I’m just saying it should be a reward for 99 instead of just baseline, gives people especially PKers an incentive to do the skill

[limber creek]

pkers run from one another as well. You're wild for this comparison in a one off scenario. Big picture.

[lofty coyote]

In that case, someone with higher agility already had a benefit

[limber creek]

Lmao tripping. Terrible idea and completely out of touch with that part of the game.

[lofty coyote]

If pking is a concern just make it not work in the wilderness...

[ancient ember]

I've raised this with the team, they're aware and looking into it

[timber drift]

thank you a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ancient ember]

We don't have an exact ETA yet, but we're aiming to release the Shellbane Gryphon CAs early this year if everything goes according to plan. The team had to prioritise Sailing fixes to ensure smooth sailing first, but Shellbane Gryphon CAs are on our radar

[winged mantle]

Any word on the horn of plenty working with molch pearls or hunter rumours?

[dawn raven]

cool! ty for the quick response.

[ancient ember]

Hi! As far as I know, Horn of Plenty wasn't designed to work this way but I've noted this down to share with the team as feedback We have lots of suggestions we're analysing as part of Sailing Opinion Poll results and we're working on which takes higher priority, but I'll make sure your suggestion will be discussed with the team!

[winged mantle]

Much love

[limber creek]

Do you know if manked will ever be in the chat to speak with pkers? Good to see sailing getting updates.

[gilded sparrow]

Hey @ancient ember ! When can we hope to hear more regarding the shadow rework? Will it be this year? will other items be affected or is it only the shadow getting reworked this time.

[shut needle]

Id like to hear more about the upcoming DMM which is in 2 weeks. In the blog post it said that we had to keep our eyes out for an upcoming news post but that was already 2 months ago.

[limber creek]

Seems we missed the boat yall better luck next time 😭

[oblique mesa]

Me too man me too. I thought surely today its 2 weeks away

[limber creek]

Its just so amazing they didn't want our heads to explode 🤯

[shut needle]

I have hopes for friday then. (excactly 2 weeks)

[vivid ruin]

Potential wildy changes to benefit wildy when

[silk sable]

For UK user looks like game is not loading at all

[restive storm]

Dw bro another week of the smallest possible updates and some graphical fixes, maybe the 2 month holiday will be over next week

[limber creek]

the mod leaving chat within 60 seconds of me asking a question is very telling lmao.

[restive storm]

Kinda crazy with like the 45 person team we have nowadays somehow we’ve never had less updates

[oblique mesa]

Tbh that dog profile picture is pretty intimidating

[vivid ruin]

One could only hope that they're reading and taking notes

[limber creek]

Lotta checks and balances when you gotta make an update to buff ironmen.

[limber creek]

you can have it in case someone tries to attack you and you need to defend yourself.

[restive storm]

Still reading and taking notes from the sailing survey that was like 2-3 weeks ago, which means we won’t even have the direction they wanna take for that for another week or two, then they actually gotta spend the time making the updates. So imo we won’t have any real updates for the next month lol

[brisk hill]

Gm pvpcord

[frozen lion]

I think these are stuff I'm most forward looking to implemented/changed:

• Solo instances for Corporeal Beast without requiring an alt
• Music cape to teleport to Cecilia in Falador
• Change Elite clue scrolls questions to answer by talking to NPC like other clue scrolls intead of answering it by clicking on scroll then providing answer
• Quick deposit resources from equipped Forestry Basket, Fish Sack Barrel and other equipable containers
• Upgradable Keg sailing facility to contain maybe up to 3 different drinks buffs
  Allow sailing facilities to be flatpacks so we can make 1 sloop and change builds upon need
• Champion's Max cape (cosmetic merge of Champion's cape and Max cape with same perks)

[oblique mesa]

Bro you slept in

[limber creek]

We missed the mod by like 5 seconds bro we got em next time.

[restive storm]

But don’t worry guys all the streamers met up at jagex for the anniversary so at least they’re having fun

[brisk hill]

Reminder this channel is for pvp update feedback

[brisk hill]

I was up late killing revs on my hc!

[vivid ruin]

Mods already came and left

[brisk hill]

https://imgur.com/XJ5Q9ay

Go to wild with your hcim

[limber creek]

On the bright side they talked about horn of plenty for us 😄

Ngl ive never even heard of the item but im glad thats the priority right now.

[brisk hill]

It’s actually very useful in PvP

[limber creek]

It needs buffed to auto give ironmen chinchompas as they walk around.

Anything less is honestly unappealing.

[restive storm]

And lack thereod, an gmgm

[brisk hill]

Gm fella

[frozen lion]

pvp can be removed

[brisk hill]

Rage bait

[restive storm]

Rude

[frozen lion]

actually real

[brisk hill]

Bad too tbh

[frozen lion]

u can pvp in lms and bounty hunter, enjoy

[vivid ruin]

Remove one of the biggest activities in osrs huh

[brisk hill]

You can pvm rest of game enjoy lol

[frozen lion]

theres lots of pvp content, if its dead its because it sucks

[restive storm]

Man’s profile says skill issue and he’s worried about a little PvP

Just stop dying

[brisk hill]

Just stop dying & you’ll be ok

Can teach you how to freeze & hug!

[frozen lion]

definitely social skill issue can be found here

and as i said, theres tons of pvp content

[brisk hill]

Hey fella you started the convo by saying our content should be removed

[frozen lion]

if dead = sucks

[brisk hill]

Yeah but it’s bad

We didn’t ask for it

& made suggestions for it

None listened to!

[frozen lion]

well because pvp isn't worth looking into 🙂

[restive storm]

Yeah idk we weren’t the ones who came in here being rude

[velvet orchid]

This comdeically ignorant

[brisk hill]

1500 people in a Jagex owned server that’s been shut down for 2 years would argue different!

[restive storm]

They’re trying hard to stop the motion we have in here

[brisk hill]

No messages in 2 years

[frozen lion]

that's not even 1% player base

[brisk hill]

But 1500 ppl still waiting

[frozen lion]

I guess not that important

[brisk hill]

Not important but still host DMM

[restive storm]

I mean they’re proposing fight pits updates at this point wanna guess how many people are playing that content? We’re just asking for the slightest bit of consideration lol, we ain’t asking much

[brisk hill]

Not important but still suggesting wildy teleport changes out of the blue

Just bad rage bait tbh

[frozen lion]

tbh I'm pretty sure it's still gonna be pretty dead

not worth the effort

[brisk hill]

yea it’s fight pits what’s the point

[vivid ruin]

Once you reach end game, your options of content are scued to a few raids. Pvp on the other hand is endless, timeless fun. And its really the only thing to do once you reach end game.

[restive storm]

Duh

[brisk hill]

Do you think ppl would kill Jad if no fire cape

..

[restive storm]

The one true end game of osrs

[brisk hill]

The argument that says I don’t do the content so it should be removed is baffling

UIM need to go tbh

[frozen lion]

Depends on what someone sets his goal as

[restive storm]

Not really all that baffling they’ve been getting their way with that approach for years so kinda expected

[vivid ruin]

Once you reach end game there really arent anymore goals. Reset as ironman is the alternative

[frozen lion]

That's just your subjective view, cloggers look at it different

[restive storm]

Cloggers

[brisk hill]

I don’t clog so remove it

[frozen lion]

Pvpers

[restive storm]

They’re worse than ironmen

[brisk hill]

You should try to PvP!

[frozen lion]

Can say same about pvpers

[limber creek]

how much of the playerbase you think has done blood torva or radiant oathplate legitimately and not botted?

Or even infernal cape completition?

[frozen lion]

No clue, tbh

[restive storm]

.01%

[limber creek]

Oh i guess it must suck

[brisk hill]

What percentage of player base knows tob

It’s gatekept innit

[restive storm]

Remove it or add to regular bosses cuz awakened aren’t used by many people and are dead content

[brisk hill]

Prolly cause it sucks!

[limber creek]

You gotta chance squinttz in a 1v1 or go to another chat atp

[frozen lion]

That shows there lots of goals for majority of players still to aim for

[brisk hill]

Sure but removing my goals because they aren’t your goals is asinine

[restive storm]

That shows that players don’t even go for it cuz it’s pointless

[brisk hill]

👍

[restive storm]

Whew red trim on armor that I’m not gonna use whoopie

[frozen lion]

Well that was extreme rage bait but the point is some pvp suggestions were utter crap

Like world boss in wilderness

[brisk hill]

It’s better than what we have

[restive storm]

Ok this one imma agree with you on boss man

[brisk hill]

And that’s a different statement than remove wildy

Silly goose

[restive storm]

But the problem is after that didn’t work they didn’t try something different they just cancelled all PvP updates for a year and a half lol

[brisk hill]

You started off saying remove pcp lol

PvP

[limber creek]

the world boss idea itself was cool but the way they went about it was a terrible idea. I agree.

[frozen lion]

Wildy is fine, it doesn't change fact it's mostly pvpers looking for people doing pvm there or clue scrolls

[brisk hill]

Skip those steps 👍

[restive storm]

Remove pj timer so I can hit those ppl pls and ty

Wildy too safe

[brisk hill]

Predator vs prey mindset hurts my soul

What makes the wilderness special is that you can be hunted

[limber creek]

Pvpers look for life whatsoever. The food chain is mega important and 2 great steps to that are lucrative areas, and the ability to prey upon the bots that lets be honest are guranteed just gonna be there. I know a really good suggestion to help with those 2 things imo. Rev caves isn't perfect though i totally realize that. But its the best we ever had out there lol.

[brisk hill]

Remove that and no point in it being different lol

[restive storm]

Can’t believe we missed the 15s this week a jmod was in here

Maybe next Wednesday bros

[floral blaze]

Revert Wilderness to 23 Nov 2017 👍

[brisk hill]

If you remove this, then what makes the wilderness special?

[limber creek]

The moment i typed they dipped lol it was me. U guys catch em next time.

[brisk hill]

Wouldn’t it just basically be the same as doing a close step in falador

[limber creek]

We need more pvpers in here tbh.

[restive storm]

o7 for the attempt

[frozen lion]

Well most people go 0 risk anyway, just sometimes disturbed and waste of a bit of time so pker can get bones and spade

[brisk hill]

This doesn’t answer the question at all

What makes the wildy special if you take away the pvp

[frozen lion]

I just don't like mixing pvm and pvp, they should be separate 🤷‍♂️

[limber creek]

So what you're saying is that you're fine with people risking 0 in a pvp area.
But you're upset when they die for the 0 they are risking.

[brisk hill]

Those are different statements & we can somewhat agree

Making blanket statements though is how Reddit echo chambers are created

Have some nuance

👍

[floral blaze]

Facts, king.

[restive storm]

Most people do and other bring 300m risk and no food so like you gotta understand why people kill clue scrollers lol

[frozen lion]

Clogging is fun though, motivates to try out and grind each content and experience whole game.

[brisk hill]

My main is somewhat clogger

I’m working on BA hats rn no meme

[frozen lion]

300m risk in wilderness? You mean like content creators in 3a baiting?

[dawn jackal]

clogging is a mental illness

[limber creek]

So what if they add a 1k kill clog for a special cosmetic.

[limber creek]

Nah like clue scrollers like he said.

You should try pking sometime before making assumptions.

[frozen lion]

I wish more activities had at least a clog attached to them, like blast furnace etc.

[restive storm]

No just random noobs see above ^

[frozen lion]

what the actual, skull baited?

its 5 items though i dont get it xD

[limber creek]

Nope he was just at 19 portals doing a clue scroll.

[restive storm]

Not fun whatsoever imo, I don’t really care about completing random slots when I can just buy all the items anyway

Like doing mid bosses for 3,000 kc for piss loot seems boring

[brisk hill]

People do dumb shit all the time in wildy. Rot maced a guy for ely because he was out in wild in 3a Druidic & his 4th item was an ely

Unskulled just being a noob

[limber creek]

Hearing unskullers being maced for 4th item makes my heart whole.

[frozen lion]

That's why I think skilling minigames and activities should have non-tradable clogs, they have mostly but some activities don't have any clogs to them, like blast furnace or nightmare zone etc.

[limber creek]

Blast furnace? Gold bar simulator? What would the clog be? Giant gold bar?

[frozen lion]

Could be even upgrade for coal bag or something, doesn't have to be huge.

[restive storm]

I mean I don’t really care if they do or don’t, if they are useful I’ll go get them, if they’re like trouble brewing loot then obviously I’d never get them cuz it’s a waste of time

[floral blaze]

What's the use of that when you're already maxed

[limber creek]

For when you go reminisce mining coal at the coal trucks.

[obsidian venture]

It’s just a natural course if playing this game tbh

Game doesn’t respect your time in any regard

[limber creek]

Theres a big scary bat out ther

[frozen lion]

Well most people doing blast furnace do it before they are actually maxed. It's just an example. I think it would nice addition to motivate to at least try out the content and do it for some time.

[dawn jackal]

the xp is the reason to try out the content

people do not need bits and baubles for everything they do in this game

[brisk hill]

I don’t even think stuff needs to have a purpose. Cosmetics could work

[minor whale]

BH items should absolutely be on the clog, they just aren't because Jagex doesn't like the idea of locking hcim cloggers behind true-death pvp
It's why LMS does have clogs

[limber creek]

a red gold bar.

[frozen lion]

Imagine how many people would do trouble brewing if it didn't have clogs to it, would probly be completely dead

[brisk hill]

BH items aren’t even listen in the skill tab :c

[restive storm]

Yeah criminal that they aren’t, another jagex war crime

[limber creek]

If we don't appeal to every single niche acc ever made the update is failed type shit.

[restive storm]

It’s dead even with people clogging there

[limber creek]

imagine how many people already do it LOL

[frozen lion]

You can get into games on official world all the time, some people even play it actively.

[minor whale]

I have all the BH ornament kits and weapon upgrades, just none of the pvp armors/vls
Was thinking "oh they'll add it to clog one day it'll be dope getting like 15 slots in one update" and then that never happened

[frozen lion]

I just like fact of having "proof" in clog that I did content and it motivates to try it out regardless of xp/gp benefit.

For example I never did blast mine.. probably different story if it had a clog attached to it.

[minor whale]

If completionism exists in a game people are gonna go for it

[frozen lion]

Idk, just saying my point of view.

[dawn jackal]

you do you but why are you entry fragging a conversation about pvp saying the whole thing should be oppenheimered when you don't interact with it

[limber creek]

got it so we need to have a collection log associated with pvp and you would probably engage in it is what im hearing.

[frozen lion]

Well I interact with pvp by doing pvm stuff in wilderness

[limber creek]

I would be fine with a sheerly pvp collection log item. Like post 1k kills or something not to crazy.

[frozen lion]

(getting hunted)

[brisk hill]

You should kill a naked man for his invy of bones

It’ll change your life

[limber creek]

stumble across a once a year pk and get hooked lol.

[dawn jackal]

i think the clog promotes fortnite updates so i'm mostly against it but i realize a lot of people enjoy checking items off the list

[frozen lion]

i think pvp minigames are fun, but just hunting people for their stuff doesn't seem appealing for me, just rather go do some bossing or skilling

[minor whale]

People would just kill their alts repeatedly like you can do for lms services

There's already "wilderness" collection logs so it's not completely fair to say pvp isn't in the log at all

[frozen lion]

but damn i dont understand mind of people who bring so big risks just to do clue scrolls .. high or what

[limber creek]

so we shouldnt make the content cause itll be misused by johnny no kills because hes afraid of pvp.
Yeah i dont really care.
Raids 4 is gonna be botted within a week should they just never make it?

[brisk hill]

I think it’s laziness ngl

I heard a couple non PvP ppl say it’s a waste of time to bank l0l

[dawn jackal]

some people just have devious amounts of shekel too

[frozen lion]

tbh i like places where you can pvp risk free and enjoy the kills without anxiety of risking stuff

castle wars was great to grind

[floral blaze]

You can go out in a piss rag 100k setup and murder noobs. Thats like no risk

[limber creek]

theres no logic to it brother. its on me to capitalize and show them the wilderness is dangerous.

[floral blaze]

Gear fear isnt a valid reason to not try pvping

[frozen lion]

yeah but that's just for hunting people who mostly don't even want to pvp, for me its no fun, would rather go do lms or try out bh

[brisk hill]

Yeah, but it’s a little tone deaf to think that if you’ve never PVP’d before you can just step into BH & do it

[limber creek]

Im sorry you can't go out in oathplate and crystal risk your first time pking in the wilderness.

But you can kill people for under a mil setup easily.

You can but if you do tell me.

[brisk hill]

Most pvpers started by killing bots & pvmers

Like torvesta didn’t start out by killing maxers lol

[limber creek]

Revenant caves with the boys.

ballista and a dream.

[brisk hill]

I was making my way there brother I SWEAR

[limber creek]

The fact we have to explain pvp has progression is wild in 2026.

Reddit has truly changed the times.

[floral blaze]

This is why rev caves was so great, helped wipe this exact mental barrier for a lot of people

[brisk hill]

Expanding a bit more: I think things like castle wars don’t prepare you for a 1v1 like BH does

[limber creek]

i used to think pvp was doggie until i took a trip with the boys and made out like a bandit. The itch was on lol.

[brisk hill]

Just go and 2x korasi spec is what 2025 pk taught me

[frozen lion]

do you think LMS can help prepare for BH?

[brisk hill]

I think dying

A lot

Is the only way

Which ppl don’t wanna die

Waste time money etc

But that’s the only way you learn really

[limber creek]

i dont think lms is a good indication of pvp whatsoever.
The rng is completely busted in that minigame and i don't play a 75 def acc i play a 99 stat main.

You also risk nothing and risking items is a different feeling until you get used to it lol.

[brisk hill]

You can be a god tier LMS pker & still get the shakes when it comes to the real thing @frozen lion I’ve seen it I think most pvpers here have

So just doing it helps imo

[limber creek]

Some people risk 500k and get to tweakin w/ the shakes lol. Its part of the game you get over it in time.

[floral blaze]

LMS and BH are very different. Just mainhand voidwaker venge if you're a noob in low risk. You die a lot but your feelings wont get hurt because you risk shit and will build muscle memory quicker

[limber creek]

try venge+ voidwaker when wildy pvming and find out how much of a victim you aren't.
Some people will legit just let you destroy them so they dont break momentum lol

If more pvmers fought back i feel they might have a tad diff feelings on wilderness.

[brisk hill]

2x korasi spec & weng will make maxers pod out most times

[limber creek]

A lot of pkers are ASS lmao

[limber creek]

The best defence is a good offense.

[brisk hill]

What’s unfortunate is, even though we are having these discussions & people who don’t pk are interacting; there isn’t even an active spot to take them to if you wanted

Save us Mod Ash

[limber creek]

No multi revs 🙁

gotta take em to wbr and hope they dont get specced on login lol

[brisk hill]

That was a fear back in the revs days with balli teams!

[restive storm]

Im not tryina change how you play but I don’t really want to give myself an artificial reason to do content I don’t find fun/wouldn’t do on my own

Just feels like a waste of my time

But yeah from above BH might be the least approachable style of pking atm lol

[ember grove]

clog stuff is why trouble brewing became a maxed account nursing home

it's very stupid

[brisk hill]

I don’t understand the clog stuff tbh

Has anyone even completed or come close

Is it realistically doable

[bronze kernel]

It's considered near impossible with third age

[dawn jackal]

its not because of clues

[velvet orchid]

A few people are clue locked

[bronze kernel]

But some is super close

[limber creek]

Marni is rank 1 with only an estimated 37,314 hours left.

[velvet orchid]

Meaning a few mega rares of clues are missing which isnt realistically doable

[dawn jackal]

its just good streamer content and some people enjoy it

[minor whale]

People do it because it's fun to grind for
No other reason
Just like pvp

[velvet orchid]

But everything but mega rare clues is very doable

[bronze kernel]

CLogs do provide incentives for a main to grind content

[brisk hill]

I’m not hating just asking :c

[bronze kernel]

If you're a trophy hunter

(Me who has green logged Trouble Brewing before maxing)

[limber creek]

Keep in mind marni has 522/528 other
And 596/612 clue slots.
So 22 slots to go for 37000+ hours.

[oblique mesa]

before maxing?? But thats the maxer retirement home

[dawn jackal]

the end game of clogging is so bad ppl start goin for 200m's

[brisk hill]

They do yea & eveyone gets dopamine when that little pop up comes up

I just hear ppl talking about it like majority of cloggers are at the end game (mega rares from clues)

[restive storm]

We’re approaching “3rd age island” where the drop rate is 10x’d just so cloggers can “complete” the game

[dawn jackal]

nah ppl like getting the green log on royal titans and what not

[brisk hill]

I’m getting green log on BA for funsies so I understand

[limber creek]

Yeehaw useless pure garbage that im obliged to grind for greenies on a main.

Gz pures tho

and ironmen ig

[restive storm]

There’s certainly content I enjoy so I’ll green log that, but I’m not just gonna waste my time doing lame content that sucks to make the log green lol

[dawn jackal]

to each their own i suppose if you wanna clog I just think it leads to some fortnite updates as people feel entitled to their greenlogs

[limber creek]

What do you mean you dont wanna do 100 hours of castle wars.

[oblique mesa]

Atleast you get paid to afk castle wars now

[limber creek]

Dang wonder who asked for that

[minor whale]

Nah most of the endgame cloggers have specifically said they don't want clogs made easier just for them, they enjoy the chase and dopamine from when they do get new clogs that are rare

[dawn jackal]

not talking about the end game cloggers

[limber creek]

i think we're being dense if we don't know who you're talking about lol

[minor whale]

The reason updates are easily green logged these days is irons not wanting to grind out items for long, not cloggers

Moons of Peril being dry protection dupe prevention is solely for irons

[dawn jackal]

same shit as skilling no skiller with 5k+ ehp wants any fortnite updates its the people who don't do the stuff but feel entitled to the rewards

[restive storm]

It’s never endgame players that ruin these things, it’s the people just getting started that want “QOL” updates that are actually just straight buffs to make things easier and faster

[limber creek]

I wonder if those people actively engage in pvp and can use their energy to get us an update.

[hard axle]

Still waiting for Jagex not to be cowards and add pvp uniques, blorva, and radiant to clog

[restive storm]

Like the goons this past week trying to make dense rune stones never deplete cuz the most afk rc xp isn’t afk enough

[hasty shard]

does blood kit just go on every dt2 boss clog

or does it go to its own place

[oblique mesa]

Are those on the new afk rc island

[limber creek]

No they're on the pvp content sailing was promised

[hasty shard]

im proud that my rc island design isn't just runespan

[dawn jackal]

leave rc alone !

theres 77 million ways to train the skill

[hasty shard]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-pixie-sorceress-costume-character-same-character-gif-8189690693293910815

said ways:

[limber creek]

whered the pvm dudes asking for 99 agility to make shortcuts instant go now

[dawn jackal]

there's afk options minigame options solo intensive options solo + alt intensive options i have a buncha gp options and i have a buncha gp intensive options

[hasty shard]

didnt name anything though

mining is an example of something with actual variation but people just shit on it

[dawn jackal]

zeah rc, gotr, solo muds, dolo, 0+4, 2+1

[hasty shard]

zalcano, stars, vm, granite, powermining, amethyst/runite, blast mine

[limber creek]

yes granite mining is very fun and not mind numbing for plenty of reward.

[analog crow]

where mlm

[dawn jackal]

granite mining is nice

good flow

[hasty shard]

alting isnt exactly a "new" method

[dawn jackal]

have you done it

[obsidian venture]

Surely this year

[hasty shard]

ok i'll bend and say if you're doing like alt methods that don't require you banking yourself then thats different enough

[limber creek]

Add multi revenants.
And let me get a clue scroller as a pet.

[dawn jackal]

the issue people have with rc is just that it's slow

[limber creek]

Why craft rune 1000 times when i could kill zulrah and get 300 of rune at once.

[analog crow]

rc being slow is fine since it has great utility

[dawn jackal]

yea the outputs on any skill suck

not a rc specific problem

[hasty shard]

rc feels like if something like thieving was literally just pickpockets and no other methods

[limber creek]

Gee i wonder why so many bosses drop raw materials

[bronze kernel]

You know, I'm still salty over my dupe clue mega rare in my Log

[limber creek]

🤖 👨🏻

[bronze kernel]

I have 2 gilded med helms in there

Out of all the other rolls, it's the damn dupe

[dawn jackal]

have you tried any runner methods of rc? doesn't quite feel like pickpocketing to do well

[hasty shard]

im not particularly made of money so no
although max eff does sound fun

[dawn jackal]

not trying to sidetrack the convo any further just defending the rune crafting

[restive storm]

Yeah we’re straying pretty far from fixing pvp

[brisk hill]

This is the pvp chat after all

[hasty shard]

rehire jed clearly

[brisk hill]

Restrict worlds the wildy is accessible & bring a multi update similar to multi revs back to the game

[silk thicket]

What timeline on Asian servers

[brisk hill]

& allow skulls to pj skulls

[restive storm]

Would probably be their best decision pvp wise in the last 4.5 years

[brisk hill]

Unironically

[silk thicket]

Since no preventative action on ragging can we get bans or at least info on what evidence is needed for a ban 👍

[bronze kernel]

Speaking of Runecrafting

I hate how they have to balance all content around lava rune XP/hr

Just let it go already

Similarly to not anger the People of EPH over tick manipulation methods (Those people who got upset the soulflame horn could start a tick cycle for manipulation)

[meager flame]

tbh with the way people seem to want the wild to be

ragging should be allowed

[hasty shard]

i mean aethers are more xp/h

[brisk hill]

I can see this point of view with the most of Reddit crying about predator v prey

[meager flame]

its not even about that at all

[stuck sinew]

is no one else having issues staying on the servers for more than 5 minutes after the update this morning? this shits crazy

[meager flame]

its just how people want the wild to be lawless or whatever anything can happen so like

sure anything can happen

[hasty shard]

rags should be the only thing allowed

are we gonna act like ancient staff salad robes isnt the peak figure

[bronze kernel]

Not even rags. Just no gear at all. All out fist fight

(Binds, freezes, and Veng allowed)

[hasty shard]

i was about to say

[bronze kernel]

Actually, make it only Veng

[hard axle]

Could be all 4

[brisk hill]

Unfortunately the loudest majority are those who think the wilderness would still be a special & unique place if you took away the PvP aspect

I understand no one wants their time wasted if naked doing a clue. But if you remove that danger or aspect you might as well be doing a clue in fally

[sharp cave]

i dont think so

i dont want the wilderness to be a unique and special place if what makes it special and unique is anti game design

id rather it was boring than being a place almost exclusively for bots to farm

[brisk hill]

Hasn’t the wilderness been the PvP zone for over a decade?

[silk thicket]

Nah there’s a balance

[brisk hill]

What about it is anti game design

[silk thicket]

U can make it dangerous but if u act like an idiot u get banned

Ie if u play the game to harass others

Then u can go play another game

[sharp cave]

they can barely ban the bots

so idk how you think they could possibly enforce that

[brisk hill]

What about the wildy is anti game design?

[sharp cave]

everything

[brisk hill]

They originally had it so you could duel in the streets

[sharp cave]

its seriously hard to think of anything i dont dislike

[brisk hill]

Ppl didn’t like that so they limited it so it was in 1 area

It’s been that way since lol

[silk thicket]

It’s been against the rules and bannable forever

They just don’t rly take action for a long time

[sharp cave]

and yet the wilderness is full of bot farms

[brisk hill]

Everything is

[silk thicket]

Ye not rly the point is it

[small anvil]

Again... Ragging is only against the rules if it's targeted harassment

[silk thicket]

If u play the game to harass others

[sharp cave]

and you cant even go kill the bots without bot protecting clans logging into kill you

[silk thicket]

Go play another game and maybe re evaluate ur mental state

[small anvil]

Targeted being the key word

[silk thicket]

Yes

That’s what I’m talking about

[small anvil]

If you're messing with anyone you meet it's not against the rules

[sharp cave]

shame thats the whole point of the wilderness

[silk thicket]

Also what I was talking about yday

[silk thicket]

Don’t be obtuse

[small anvil]

Being in the wildy with only a cbow is not bannable

[sharp cave]

im just trying to kill this boss for some uniques or a pet and every 2nd kill i have a guy in max gear resetting my kills for 50k loot

wow honestly so fun

[silk thicket]

Again I’m aware

[small anvil]

You keep saying stuff that sounds the opposite of that

[brisk hill]

That’s just bad game design lol

[silk thicket]

Like what

[brisk hill]

No one wanted wildy bosses in single

It’s almost like there used to be a PvP discord

[meager flame]

tbf just about nobody wanted wildy bosses

[brisk hill]

Where pkers shared information

[silk thicket]

I know what ragging is

[sharp cave]

yeah this

[brisk hill]

[silk thicket]

I’ve got 6 months of screenshots and vids

[sharp cave]

there shouldnt be bosses in the first place

[silk thicket]

Of the same ppl

Ragging me

[sharp cave]

their only purpose is to lure people so others can kill them

its horrible game design

abhorent

[meager flame]

the ragging thing is funny because honestly

[sharp cave]

cant get players into the wildy to pvp? i wonder why? is it because its fundamentally unfun for 99% of the player base?

i guess the soultion is to put content int here that non pkers want

[meager flame]

lets say we got really upset and started banning right targeted harassment

[restive storm]

It’s cuz pkers aren’t forced to fight pkers anymore

[meager flame]

do we not also now need to ban skull tricking and luring

[oblique mesa]

They already do

[restive storm]

You just freeze them and log out

[silk thicket]

No because that’s not targeting specific players

[restive storm]

Woooahhh Ayo off bro skull tricking is chill

[meager flame]

like a lot of these guys are literally

[silk thicket]

It’s targeting anybody with skull prevention off

[sharp cave]

look more anti game design

[meager flame]

dming people outside of the wild and trying to socially engineer them into pvp to lose their items

it is definitely targeted

[restive storm]

Singles+ fault… remove it pls

[restive storm]

Now THAT I feel like is bannable

[silk thicket]

Luring? Again u can argue that it isn’t targeted initially

They’re targeting anybody that will respond to them in chat

It’s completely different to ragging

[sharp cave]

that just brings back boxing

[brisk hill]

Yeah but BH would be the most active pvp spot if just getting ppl to PvP was the solution

[silk thicket]

Which is specifically targeting a single player for a long period of time

[sharp cave]

which is also pretty much anti design

[meager flame]

lmao nobody will take this seriously

[floral blaze]

Luring is casting a wide net and seeing who bites these days tbf

[sharp cave]

i shouldnt have to lock myself into combat with an npc then log out to prevent being killed by someone else

[silk thicket]

If I stand at ge and type doubling money

[brisk hill]

Without let’s say rune rocks existing you have no reason for ppl to hop around there

[silk thicket]

I’m not targeting the player that trades me

My target is anybody at the ge

If I go into the wildy

And kill u

I wasn’t targeting u

[meager flame]

okay so the ragger is targeting anyone that will attack them

its totally not directed or targeted

[silk thicket]

I was targeting anyone in wildy

[meager flame]

see what i mean

[silk thicket]

?

[meager flame]

it sounds really stupid

[silk thicket]

ragging is targeted harassment of a single player for extended period of time

Usually in wildy

But doesn’t have to be

[small anvil]

Ragger decided to water time of anyone at x spot in the wild

[meager flame]

yeah so you kill someone and they rag whoever decided to kill them

see casting a very wide net

[small anvil]

Waste

[meager flame]

totally not targeted right

[silk thicket]

?

[oblique mesa]

Brother its not worth it. @meager flame doesn't do wilderness content so he doesn't get it

[silk thicket]

Completely different thing

Ah

That explains it

[meager flame]

ahh doesnt do wild content so dont think about it too hard

[sharp cave]

the problem is that osrs pvp is fundemantally broken

[silk thicket]

It’s more like u haven’t experience what we talking about

And it’s so ridiculously childish

U wouldn’t believe it

[sharp cave]

with snares that are 20s long? holy fuck thats longer a rouge in classic wow can stun you

[meager flame]

nah i know what you're talking about im just pointing out that other things are similar

and you're making dumb comparisons saying they're not

[sharp cave]

then we cant remove that because people would just disappear and be uncatchable

[meager flame]

and they totally are

[silk thicket]

How the f is it similar?

[meager flame]

of course ragging is targeted

just like the other stuff i said

lmao

[silk thicket]

Bruh

The other stuff

Doesn’t take place every day for 6 months

U skull trick 1 person

They turn skull prev on

[meager flame]

ah you rag one guy and he turns off the game

easy fix

[silk thicket]

Ye cba rage bait

[sharp cave]

the fact we need a setting in the menus to prevent this is insane

[oblique mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[sharp cave]

like actually fucking crazy lmao

you dont think needing a setting baked into the games settings to prevent people from "tricking" you into giving them all your stuff is insane?

[silk thicket]

Since no preventative action on ragging can we get bans or at least info on what evidence is needed for a ban 👍

[floral blaze]

I'm so confused by this confusion on the topic of ragging

[sharp cave]

its litterally a "prevent scammers from tricking me button"?

[silk thicket]

There’s no confusion it’s rage bait to distract from my point

He prob rags ppl

[brisk hill]

We’ve gone over this a few times, but Jagex wanting to change the way teleporting in the wilderness works & then manked saying it had something to with a possible multi update MEANS: they obviously want to do something about ragging in the wilderness

[minor whale]

It's bad game design that skull tricking is possible but what alternatives are there than a setting saying "I am not intentionally skulling"