game-update

[limber creek]

YES 19 portal obelisk LOOOOL

[bronze kernel]

And all the bots disappeared too

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/big-aj-big-justice-boom-costco-guys-gif-13543695932005238540

[meager flame]

thats a clue scroller that got too comfortable

[minor whale]

If the 65 year old abuela has to make gp in game she's gonna spin up 5 rev accounts instead of a single doom account because if banned it's less time to make another before profiting

[meager flame]

i've never understood those guys

[limber creek]

i splashed first tb on him too.

[brisk hill]

Yeah but the guy who will be in caves until his situation is better isn’t complaining lol. It’s the people who wild & want to be left alone in the only dangerous place of the game

I just find it interesting lol

[limber creek]

dude let me have it tbh

[bronze kernel]

Proposal to buff Diary Gear to remove all negate bonuses to give these guys a better chance

[meager flame]

lmao they're so crazy it makes no sense like

[limber creek]

they have bulwark they good.

[restive storm]

id much rather not hit the guy working for a living, than not hit the guy whose just gonna cry cuz im "griefing" or "bullying"

[meager flame]

man i cant take the 5 seconds to bank that would so awful let me go die with all of my pvm gear

[limber creek]

bro you would not believe the shit i have saw in the wilderness over my years lmao.

[bronze kernel]

I been only PK'd once doing clues

[restive storm]

this is why i have 0 sympathy for them, theres literally a bank all button

[bronze kernel]

I was PK'd more times doing MA2

Than I was doing clues

[meager flame]

i learned to kill everyone on sight in like

[minor whale]

Just perspective I guess
If I'm doing something I have to I'm not gonna complain as much, it's gotta get done
If I start doing a hobby I enjoy and find something irritating about it I'm way more likely to want to get it fixed the way I prefer

[limber creek]

its soooo different than what people who don't pk think. And its not like i haven't ever pvmed and shit i got kc at every boss in game besides hardmode tob.

[meager flame]

2006 i killed a guy edge pking

that just had a green mask in his inventory

i have no idea why

[bronze kernel]

(I was PK'd 3 times doing MA2 BTW)

[meager flame]

so now im not even shocked when you see someone kill some naked guy at lever

and he has his cash stack or something

[restive storm]

iddk man ive been told irons HAVE to go to the wilderness to get a vw so idk why they complainin

its gotta get done

[limber creek]

Totally fair and why i try to be subjective in my take about multi revs.
I legit had to ask myself before i came in here advocating if it was just for me or for the community. And im ngl a part of it is for me. 100% bro.

[bronze kernel]

You can live without a VW

Luxury upgrade

[restive storm]

not according to reddit

[meager flame]

idk why they're even mad at vw

[bronze kernel]

I always saw VW as a luxury upgrade

[meager flame]

okay so i get why they dont like it but lol

[limber creek]

i see people saying its a necessary pvp upgrade so they're forced to wilderness. Like no you're not you made the snowflake account brother.

[meager flame]

its no risk just get a scout

[brisk hill]

Easy scape

[bronze kernel]

Who's PKing on an Iron?

[brisk hill]

Me

[restive storm]

they just want everything for no work is really all it is tbh, it isnt even vw in particular. People whine about MA2 cape as if its a hard grind

[brisk hill]

Lol

In BH

[meager flame]

well thats the thing

[limber creek]

necessary upgrade via pvp my bad..

[brisk hill]

For cosmetics

[meager flame]

vw is actually the least work out there

[bronze kernel]

People who PK on irons wouldn't complain

[meager flame]

you get a scout now you cant die and the bosses do nothing

[brisk hill]

No becuase they have a backbone

[meager flame]

you legit die more from regular pvm than getting vw

[brisk hill]

You’re starting to get it daemon

Omggg….

[minor whale]

I've always thought Wildy should be highly consistent profit with no big desireable drops
I can't say I disagree with irons that it feels kinda weird to have a bis weapon for lots of pvm come from the wilderness
But current design unless you're an hcim just go spin up a Wildy alarm scout and you're solid

[brisk hill]

One of us…

[minor whale]

Oh yeah you absolutely die more from normie pvm

[restive storm]

the wildy is part of the game, its like saying i dont get why the bis str cape comes from a solo challenge?

that takes hours to complete

[minor whale]

Wilderness isn't a threat as much as people just find it an annoying time waster to die

[brisk hill]

The only reason it’s bis for pvm is because they had to make it bis in pvp! Power creep added becuase impossible to die in singles

[restive storm]

like i find it annoying when i die on wave 63 on inferno, but do you see me complain ab it?

[brisk hill]

Guaranteed damage is a PvP mechanic

[meager flame]

idk how they even fucked around and did that

[brisk hill]

It’s not for pvm

[meager flame]

why not just make the spec hit harder in pvp only

but then again

[minor whale]

Yeah no idea why they even added VW and made it as good as the rs2 Korasi WITH the ring without even needing the ring

[meager flame]

same guys made burning claws

free and as good as vw/dclaws almost everywhere

[brisk hill]

It’s the guaranteed damage

[minor whale]

It's absurd how good it is when everyone said it'd break the game

[brisk hill]

That’s what broke it for pvm

[limber creek]

the only account every piece in the game should actually be based off of is mains.
When ironmen came around the entire game changed every single update to benefit them because they were happy with the state of their snowflake accounts.
They needed every item mains had, needed every possible way to make exp easyscape.
Hell skull prevention was probably added because an iron streamer lost his dragon pickaxe or something. But that was a long time ago and fussing about it now does nothing. Since we spend years of dev time devoted to them rather than the mains.

[brisk hill]

Guaranteed hit

At least imo

[minor whale]

Yeah it's definitely why it's broken good

Just don't know why it was needed

[restive storm]

absolutely, nothing should be changed with the wildy in order to make irons lives easier, they elected to play that game mode not me

[minor whale]

There's much cooler ways to boost dps

Than just hehe can't miss

[limber creek]

And thats for pures to. You dont get piety because you're not a main. Sorry.

[restive storm]

idc about piety tbf it sucks anyway

[meager flame]

tbf i cant really think of a bad iron only update as in made the game worse than it was

most of those updates are just "if you actually tried to do this yourself would it be playable"

[restive storm]

theres not that many, but the sheer # of iron only updates gets annoying cuz it cuts content for mains that could be developed

[meager flame]

and that applies to everyone not just irons

[minor whale]

The only thing I'll disagree with that is Jagex themselves said they didn't want bis coming from the Wildy only, which is why they added dpick to KQ and VM

Just to then add the single most broken pvm spec to the Wildy lmao

[brisk hill]

Yeah but it wasn’t supposed to be for pvm l0l

[restive storm]

yea dpick was so cringe

[minor whale]

It's like if it was just really good for pvp it'd make sense lmao

[brisk hill]

So they just missed the mark on that 1

[minor whale]

But they fucked it

And made it busted for pvm too

[brisk hill]

It is rextemlt good for pvp

[restive storm]

you gotta walk like 14 steps to kbd and that was too much for ppl lol

[limber creek]

Some people really forget that voidwaker is a weapon for pvp.
That just happens to be good in pvm.

[minor whale]

It should be the reverse of what some people suggested

[meager flame]

i actually think d pick today is in a great place

because its realistic to do vm or kq but its still better to do wilderness bosses

[restive storm]

if by that u mean worthless then sure

[minor whale]

Some people suggested making it 100% more accurate in pvp to make it "balanced"

[meager flame]

nah just from like a player choice pov its good

[minor whale]

But nah make it guaranteed in pvp

And 100% boosted for pvm

[meager flame]

the bots are why the price is in the gutter which is another issue with those caves

[restive storm]

right... but it was also made to be worthless

[limber creek]

Dragon pickaxe. The best pickaxe in the game non degradeable (besides 3a lol)
It 385k

[meager flame]

ya but kq and vm didnt make pick worthless

[minor whale]

If it's gonna be a pvp weapon keep it good in pvp, don't make it an item people feel like they have to go for

[meager flame]

idiot game design at boss cave did that

[restive storm]

thats partially fair, but a lottttt of that is kq and vm

[minor whale]

Like fuck it make gmauls only drop in the Wildy and watch their prices soar

[brisk hill]

If they “feel they have to” it seems that the issue lies with them & shouldn’t be changed for the rest of the game, imo

You don’t need vw

[restive storm]

irons and not liking the game mode they selected name something less unusual

[brisk hill]

How soon until irons can trade with each other

[limber creek]

VW isn't necessary to do anything in game.
It is irons being upset they're irons simple as lol.

[meager flame]

thats one of those things people say bc it sounds good but if you watch what mmo players do in any game

[limber creek]

They already can its called group ironman.

[restive storm]

do u not see the booger helms? they already can

[meager flame]

they're not that logical

[restive storm]

theres an entire marketplace for it

[brisk hill]

I made my iron a booger helm when I deironed & 3.5x’d my bank

[meager flame]

they feel the incentive to do things and cant control themselves

and go do stuff because they "have" to do it

when they dont have to

[brisk hill]

I suggest everyone does it if deiron

👍

[meager flame]

but thats what happens every time

[restive storm]

same actually, never regretted anything less than deironing

[meager flame]

so you kinda gotta design around it

[restive storm]

pvmscape just so boring

[meager flame]

its like taking care of horses irl

they'll do anything to kill themselves

[limber creek]

I like raiding but pvp is way more fun to me personally.
Learning new pvm on release is a blast though.

[brisk hill]

I hated that everything was just getting shit out for irons. Soon we’ll have low lvl mobs dropping 1k cannonballs

Just got too easy imo so now we UIM

[limber creek]

Wilderness bosses drop entire food pantries worth every single kill because of ironscape.

[restive storm]

yeah the slayer rework is kinda what killed my drive, like when every slayer monster started pooping out raw gp

every boss got giant amounts of noted supplies and skilling died

[brisk hill]

Yep

Why cut trees you can just kill x boss

Gz

[restive storm]

need mage logs? go to zulrah

[limber creek]

Just pulled 100 magic logs because i smacked a snake with my crystal halberd.

Brilliant.

[meager flame]

ya thats the classic osrs discussion though

[oblique mesa]

Brother please I am a father with 3 jobs and 10 wives. I do not have time to mine iron and smith cannonballs. I need to get them so I can enjoy the game, no why would I deiron??

[meager flame]

jagex often puts drops on eye catching content instead of trying to figure out how to make chopping trees more fun

[brisk hill]

😭

[limber creek]

Enjoy your double cannonball crafting station with sailing though brother. God bless. Keep that family growing 😤

[meager flame]

same way they do the wild instead of figuring out how to get players into pvp they just add rewards until they're willing to die for it lol

they have tons of like

[limber creek]

Forestry would be way cooler if it was in the rev caves.

[oblique mesa]

Only upside of wilderness dropping tons and tons of blighted supplies is seeing irons die on pvp worlds. Had a dude in my CC die for 2 synapses at tormented demons

[meager flame]

reward driven game design where they tip the scales until people do things they probably don't even want to do because they feel greed

[restive storm]

Chopping trees doesn’t need to be made fun, but that’s what made the game feel whole when you had some kinda afk grinds you needed to do to upkeep. Now it’s just pvm 24/7 and sit on your throne of supplies

[meager flame]

i mean you cant really argue against them too much because

they did get the only growing long term mmo in the world doing what they do

[oblique mesa]

Yeah skilling has been neglected. I like that they are trying new stuff with PvM dropping skilling modifiers like the shark chum / diabolic worms.

[meager flame]

even if we dont like it

[limber creek]

Neglected? My brother in christ you just got 1/5th of sailing and you aren't satisfied? Smh.

[oblique mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-giga-chad-giga-chad-gif-23156898

[brisk hill]

Yeah but skilling like pvp is becoming cookie cutter. Minigames are used as a bandaid to try & fix dog ass content that should just be removed but isn’t because “it not 07 brev”

[vivid ruin]

I miss people losing their shit when they pvm

[restive storm]

what a waste of dev time that was lmao

[meager flame]

tbh i dont even think people realize how insane what jagex has done is

[brisk hill]

Go on a rant for 20 mins telling us about it fella

[meager flame]

its the only mmo ever to actually gain players long term

im just saying its impressive

[brisk hill]

Thanks

[limber creek]

My friend hear me out what if you made random potions in random ways for herblore haha wouldn't that be cool. You only have to do it for 20 straight hours to get the good rewards. haha, i bet ironmen will love this one. its good for saving herbs.

oh and now you can drink 5 potions at once at the bank. single tick.

theyll love it

[meager flame]

lmao its just funny because most of us just complain about stuff often but its working

[restive storm]

im not a fan of the kind of players we keep adding though, its all the "afk gemcrab to 99, then ask for a gemcrab for rc training"

[brisk hill]

That’s a gas update and honestly should added to the pros section of my graphic

[restive storm]

those type of people

[limber creek]

Multi revs 💤

[zinc galleon]

That minigame might be ok if i had to click 1/4 of the time you currently do.

All these new mini games are so frantic

[limber creek]

I waste so much money pre potting effeciently just to go miss 40 straight tb's on targets that tele out the tick im on screen.

I miss before when i was just dumb as hell and didn't prepot when i didn't feel like it.

[brisk hill]

Yeah I think the game has been hemorrhaging end game players for years now but I didn’t wanna get off on a tangent ..

But luckily now you can use ge for Ironman

[meager flame]

tbh i've done most of the really awful stuff in the game and that herblore minigame is top 10 worst experiences in osrs

[brisk hill]

So it’s been saved

[limber creek]

i grinded goggles and gtfo lol

[zinc galleon]

Saaame

[limber creek]

im a main ill just buy the barrel 😎

[zinc galleon]

Can’t be assed for the necklace, bought barrel

[vivid ruin]

But pot storage

[meager flame]

i just dont understand it like you're in this tiny ass room clicking between a few different tiles

its almost a parody of people playing osrs hoping you realize how dumb it is

[limber creek]

Ill just buy more bank space 💪🏻

[vivid ruin]

It doesnt give you bank space. It gives you a tab

Pots still take up "space"

[limber creek]

lol so it sounds worthless XD

[brisk hill]

Pvmers complaining about pot space

Try picking up potions from candyman2333 that you’ve never seen before

& throwing them into your bank

[limber creek]

sometimes i just drop items i don't want.
Ikik crazy to think.

[zinc galleon]

I think it was designed by people who like to play those kitchen/restaurant sims

[brisk hill]

Why the fk would anyone take a 1 dose divine bastion potion to wildy but now it’s in my bank

Smh

[limber creek]

daggum cooking momma.

in my osrs

[zinc galleon]

When we gonna get candycrush in osrs?

[limber creek]

when we get multi revs

[restive storm]

theyll probably make it soon w/ the cadence of other useless updates they been throwing out

[vivid ruin]

Speaking of which. When can i downvote holy moleys

[restive storm]

when can i kill the sailing duck

[zinc galleon]

Duckhunt in osrs?

[restive storm]

just lemme take it out back like ol yeller man

its time is over

[limber creek]

what's next after holy moleys is the real question.
Flared trousers that give you bonus fire damage % on spellcast?

it opens such a stupid door.

[restive storm]

would be too strong for pvp so no they dont want it

[zinc galleon]

the poll is out now if that's what you're asking

[vivid ruin]

Probably larp as a vampire or something

Or a dog person

[meager flame]

ya we have the next boss to feed south america soon

[restive storm]

yall reckon we get a single good update in 2026?

[limber creek]

a dang tail cape lmao

[restive storm]

or do we just go next

[meager flame]

not even kidding apparently vampire quest will have a muspah like boss

[limber creek]

I think if manked is reading this chat there's hope.

Thats all there can be.

[restive storm]

idk how much faith i have in that taking place is my only issue

[limber creek]

We need a streamer in here.

[meager flame]

im ngl

they already said they were going to rework the idea for later

[restive storm]

why would they be in here when they have a PvP channel in the content creator discord they can talk w/ jmods in

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-sad-flaque-alone-gif-13147324

[meager flame]

a lot of the time thats just code for we're going to gracefully forget this ever happened

[limber creek]

https://tenor.com/pvizT15OLfJ.gif

[meager flame]

which is interesting because im not even sure why they dont just tell us they're done with an idea but maybe they'd reconsider later

instead it has to be super vague

[limber creek]

homies to busy on deadman and streamerman modes to pay attention to osrs ✂️

[floral blaze]

I think they added cosmetics for that a year or two ago during some event

[restive storm]

if theres 1 more allstars before they put out a wildy update i think i might actually be done man

those allstar events are so unbelievably cringe

[meager flame]

they did i lost faith in humanity further that same day

[oblique mesa]

Christmas event

With the falador dogs

[oblique mesa]

no way you guys spaced bar'd the xmas quest

[vivid ruin]

I thought that was only on rs3 damn

[limber creek]

ashes of creation has fun pvp. Im not gonna act like i aint been choppin it up over there for the past 2 months lol.

[meager flame]

i space bar everything

[limber creek]

But osrs is home 🙁

[restive storm]

good news for me is TBC3.0 is coming out in february so i at least have something to look forward too after the summit is inevitably a trash heap

[limber creek]

i quit at the beginning of dragon soul after we full cleared i was done. Not really planning to ever go back.

So over seasonal models.

[restive storm]

oof yeah cata sucked, OG mop was good, recent re-release sucked. Original 3 still the greatest video games ever made

and nothing comes remotely close to them

[limber creek]

If i hadn't completed everything in classic/tbc/wotlk id def be back around.

They aint got no pvp skull prevention

[restive storm]

pretending to be a kul tiran guard or a troll or something is still utterly hilarious to this day

not worth the time, but funny when ppl do it

[limber creek]

knowing our luck if pvp is even mentioned at the summit itll be some stuff like.
We noticed theres a tile you can stand at to not be pked at larrans chest.
We didn't want it to feel lonely so we added another guranteed escape tile on the other side.

[restive storm]

its just gonna be dmm again for the pvp tile, cuz they scheduled it ~5 days beforehand

[floral blaze]

I have spent some time in the past researching games with similar multi pvp like RS, I heard Albion is one but I cant bring myself to that play that

[limber creek]

You can now eat burnt shrimp on pvp worlds.

[restive storm]

bought themselves another year+ by scheduling it then

[limber creek]

Thank goodness.

[floral blaze]

Reading some of the pms from Manked shared here shattered every last bit of hope I had for this summit

[limber creek]

[brisk hill]

Does that mean I can start a family

[limber creek]

Run that.

[restive storm]

yeah, WBR 3.0 isnt exactly thrilling content for me

esp with how they didnt bother to even keep an eye on it the first time

[limber creek]

Remember voidwaker gem turning into coins lol

That was a teehee haha moment

[restive storm]

liike how is our new update gonna be the 2nd prior update, that they just didnt monitor

[limber creek]

woohoo an @ for holey molys

[restive storm]

we're so doomed man, we havent had a real update in like 2.5 months even disregarding pvp lmao

and first thing we get is the holy moleys

[limber creek]

i mean to be fair theres like 4 people that even care.

lol

we're old and washed up brother.

[floral blaze]

It's so over

[restive storm]

us in beta of sailing "wow ship combat is awful this should probably be changed" them 2.5 months after releasig the skill: "so we understand sailing combat might be considered a little lackluster or clunky, we want to try and look at that but itll take time"

[limber creek]

i mean bro there were like 4 different useful islands. Is that not enough for you.

I got so many berserker helms now.

[restive storm]

4 honestly might be a stretch

[limber creek]

I was exaggerating to not get muted again

[restive storm]

MAYBE 2 if youre a red chin bot

[limber creek]

there was the turtle hunter. frost drags which ig if ur an ironman are cool lol

[restive storm]

my favorite part of frost drags was u could do them to get nails but like... why would you lol

who needs a fast boat

[limber creek]

theres no reason at all lol unless u want 200m

[restive storm]

fax

[limber creek]

even dragon salvaging hook was a no thanks buy

straight to 99 double rune hookin it

[restive storm]

yeah absolutely no reason to get 1 lol

and otherwise rewards were.... worse blowpipes than we already have?

i guess thats pretty much the most useful thing

[limber creek]

worse rapier than we already have?

extended stamina potion

do you know how long you can run on one of these bad boys?

[restive storm]

uhhh idk i just use a regular stam and since the run energy changes ive never ran out anywhere anyway

[limber creek]

i only know about them because sometimes people have them in their loot piles.

the new foods cool.

heals to much imo but its cool

[restive storm]

yeah tbh i havent used it yet, look too similar for me to risk the amount i do and accidentally eat the wrong combo food

[limber creek]

definitely a much better idea than mine though. The sharkambwan.

[bronze kernel]

Doing Trials and marlins

[restive storm]

you dont need a fast boat for that still tho

[bronze kernel]

Just makes it easier

But the slow accumulation of nails and plates is a travesty

[restive storm]

meh, least it gives iron some form of content sailing wise to do otherwise theres nothing

[brisk hill]

Make it so irons can trade each other & use ge

[vivid ruin]

Irons should only be allowed on iron only worlds so they stop ruining my game

[minor whale]

There's a plugin for that

Called food coloring

New vs Original

[restive storm]

thank god, dont love jagex's reliance on 3p to fix annoying issues like them not using colors other than brown for cooked food

[minor whale]

Yeah it's very useful but annoying they decided to make all new foods just desaturated brown

[hard axle]

Brown is realistic honestly

Maillard reaction

[restive storm]

yeah just breaks with tradition of the game

[brisk hill]

Thanks for “postponing” the multi teleport changes. Please reach out to the wider community & not just streamers when changing PvP. Thank you!

[restive storm]

Pls also add burning ammy to house we've been asking for years

[vivid ruin]

Why is that not in the jewelry box

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

its a wildy thing why would they care to add it

[silk thicket]

Instead of wildy tele restriction ban raggers please 👍

[hard axle]

Because people will cry and moan about accidentally clicking it and dying

It’s literally always to avoid backlash, like blorva kit not being on clog

[scarlet dawn]

Hell no, NO

[vivid ruin]

True. Could be a 3rd ammy spot in nexus room

[restive storm]

bro the same people asking them to remove pvp entirely for the wildy, KEEP ASKING for wildy pvp sailing

it makes literally no sense

[vivid ruin]

Not me, i want both

[restive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/hum-kevin-spacey-gif-14802915

have u even sailed bro

[vivid ruin]

See you guys in 70 wildy eh

[restive storm]

they cant make wildy sailing itd be a disaster

[vivid ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-des-caraïbes2-pirates-of-the-caribbean2-pirates-voilier-sailing-ship-gif-19753748

[small anvil]

There's other jewelry not in the box though

Like I wish necklace of passage was in there

[vivid ruin]

Yeah agreed. Theyre adding to nexus, they should add to box if not amulet mounts

[silk thicket]

No semi precious jewellery is in there

That’s y

[vivid ruin]

They can add the "not so precious jewlery box"

[scarlet dawn]

In that case arent luring pohs with obelisks the same?

[meager flame]

ya im ngl wilderness sailing would just be like the most jank shit they've ever thought of

i almost want to see it just to know what jagex doesn't think of

[scarlet dawn]

I thought ragging falls under disruptive behaviour

[meager flame]

it could be a new era of ragging actually

a guy just does a drive by on his boat wearing nothing

you kill some guy and 30 guys just log in with like bronze cannonballs and instantly kill you

[brisk hill]

all of reddit would collectively die for their ship once & you'd see sailorman pvpmode removed l0l

[analog crow]

would be on brand for pvp

[brisk hill]

idk too much how item sinks work etc but it would be interesting to see items like mahog planks start to be deleted bc lost due to pvp

[scarlet dawn]

Oh that I missed lol, will definitely be a catastrophy

[restive storm]

yeah 100% the way itd go, and if it was a safe minigame theyd be screeching about being "ragged" and "having their time wasted"

[limber creek]

opt in pvp boat wars.
Im tryna cop a 1975 boat botterton from a storage auction later too.

game just puts u in a match of world of warships the moment u sail above the wilderness lmao

[brisk hill]

i could see them making it so you lose your boat for the first 3 hours before rapidly fixing l00l

[restive storm]

yeah. its sorta weird they even entertained the idea at the time they were talking about it

[scarlet dawn]

Spaghetti code goes brrrr

[hard axle]

That's why a lot of people dont have it but do have jewelry box

[vivid ruin]

Tbh though, itd be cool if an area was sectioned off where players have to pay a fee and join their own crew with this huge pirate ship and control all parts of it while destroying other boats. Whoever kills whoever takes all

[hard axle]

sticking a wildy teleport in there is inevitably gonna get bitching

[rough frigate]

seen some people say holy moleys should be integrated into devout boots somehow
do you suppose the reason that's not an option (they will obviously have thought about it) is a far lesser willingness to not muddle the visual identity of bis items compared to not-bis items

[hard axle]

same for teleport nexus

[scarlet dawn]

Yup, even with a pop up asking if youre sure

[restive storm]

it wouldnt really be tho when you consider 1. how bad sailing combat is and 2. how bad the wider playerbase is at pvp

[limber creek]

this would never happen.

sadly

[hard axle]

you could have 8 pop-ups and some dumbass is going to cry its not enough

after losing 10m

[scarlet dawn]

Same with wildy ditch warning

[brisk hill]

whole game caters to this type of player though :v

& it's only echo'd further on redditt

[limber creek]

i cant believe a pker sunk my whole ship! I thought i was the main character! My ocean locked ironman pvp hardcore is gonna have to farm dragon nails all over again! Boohoo!

[brisk hill]

[restive storm]

yall reckon any1s in caves to bait/skull trick atm? or do i just keep skilling

[brisk hill]

ill go in caves rn so you can feel something

[scarlet dawn]

I just locked the doors, soz

[restive storm]

my moons focuser actually been kinda printing last two days

[scarlet dawn]

Closing hours

[restive storm]

mains/meds kinda caught on but the pures/zerks are clueless out there

[brisk hill]

i bonded a pure and have been killinng the lvl 50's and 60's skulled w/ avarice & craw bow

also printing tbh

[restive storm]

avarice actually being worth something, makes that make sense a little bit

seen a good number of little timmys trying the dds fire surge on the bots

[brisk hill]

guarenteed mil for like 4-5 brews worth of "loss"

[restive storm]

took a few of their heads off as well since they tried me

[brisk hill]

they do DAMAGE

[restive storm]

afk craws bow thru prayer xdDDDD

does more damage than a pker anyway, ive debated focusing in a webweaver tbh

just for the meme

[brisk hill]

whoever added a spec to those weps is farming revs with bots

i said it.

but ngl ursine spec is pretty clever

[restive storm]

also anti pking on 19 accounts on the side

[restive storm]

the like stupid bandage thing or w/e now removes that effect right?

gonna need to start bringing one of those

[brisk hill]

😮 idk about that ngl

[restive storm]

yeah some weird bleed healing thing

apparently removes the slow affect

[floral blaze]

Most ive seen someone setup antipking is 4 accounts. I wonder if any madmen have gone to those lengths

[brisk hill]

look up p4gy on youtube

👍

[floral blaze]

You see some... strange creatures when antipking. I almost never find these guys if I hop to pk

[restive storm]

i currently run 4 clients, 2 baits 2 focus... anything less and ur there for hours and hours to find 1 person

[silk thicket]

It does but it’s arbitrarily enforced... clienters are banned same day or within a few days after report but ragging can take months or years before action is taken

[floral blaze]

Oh I'm aware of that legend, one man army 😂

[brisk hill]

insane

[scarlet dawn]

Yeah so instead of working on that we are releasing some GP risk threshold

[restive storm]

is this like a chandler greeen angle? or what

[silk thicket]

There’s nothing being released. It’s paused but they note that ppl don’t like ragging

[scarlet dawn]

Ik its paused, but its still on their roadmap apparently

[silk thicket]

So let’s just ban raggers? Clarify the rules and state enforcement will be more strict

Please and ty

[brisk hill]

add a report that specifies ragging in pvp

is a start

start collecting data!

[scarlet dawn]

Disruptive behavior does that

[brisk hill]

too broad

too vague

[silk thicket]

Is it gna do anything when 1 item raggers are sent in with name world date+time with no action?

[brisk hill]

how do you even quantify what disruptive behavior is if they arent typing

[scarlet dawn]

No right? You report during a moment you see it happening. Should have logs in the backend of whats been going on

[silk thicket]

1 item 10 tile crystal bow running back and forth is fairly obvious

[restive storm]

how are they 10 tiling in a 1 item crystal bow

are they bringing freezes too?

[silk thicket]

Whatevs not rly the main point

I mean

[restive storm]

/ are you getting caught by a 1 item crystal bower lol

[brisk hill]

yea, but i guess then the question turns into: what data is captured when you report

[silk thicket]

Staying 10+ tiles away
Clicking u to get pulled
Run more than 10 tiles away

Repeat

[scarlet dawn]

Ofc

[silk thicket]

Doesn’t rly matter what u call it

It’s obviously ragging

Ban that

Everyone knows it’s bannable

[brisk hill]

if its just a screenshot lets say, idk how youd be able to prove one thing or the other as jagex

[silk thicket]

Ppl do it anyway cuz nothing happens

[silk thicket]

They can “replay” scenes with backend data

[brisk hill]

but for obvious reasons they cant share that bc bots etc

[restive storm]

1 item crystal bow raggint is one thing, it drives me nuts when someones out there in like a 50-60m set and streamers claim theyre being ragged by a guy cuz he brought an ancgs lol

[silk thicket]

They mentioned it before I cba finding it

[brisk hill]

thats cool if they mentioned that before

[small anvil]

I was under the impression that ragging isn't against the rules. Constantly ragging a specific person is

[restive storm]

yes this is the case

if youre one off doing it it isnt bannable, but if youre just harassing 1 person it is

[silk thicket]

Nah griefing is against the rules

Aka ragging

[dawn jackal]

is this for all aspects of game or just wildy

[scarlet dawn]

I thought this was common knowledge

[small anvil]

Going in 0 risk is not ragging then by your definition

[silk thicket]

?

[small anvil]

It's not griefing

[brisk hill]

we on about wildy but i do think it applies elsewhere too

[silk thicket]

How

The person has 0 intention to kill

[small anvil]

People do it for clan wars no

[silk thicket]

The intention is to disrupt my gameplay

[small anvil]

As a consistent strategy

[silk thicket]

It’s not pking it’s just tryna annoy me

Aka griefing

[minor whale]

They've said ragging isn't griefing, constantly harassing one person or a few people via ragging is

[scarlet dawn]

Sand crab crashers following your worlds, good times

[minor whale]

Yeah stuff like that

[scarlet dawn]

Getting that virtual 108 str love it

[restive storm]

if theyre spam ragging you individually then yes its bannable

[small anvil]

You gonna say that 1 item anti ok is griefing now?

[silk thicket]

Source?

[restive storm]

if their hands are rated E for everyone its fair play

[small anvil]

It has to be targeted harassment

[narrow folio]

What happened to it's the lawless wild

[silk thicket]

Who is 1 item anti pking that makes no sense

[small anvil]

Being in 0 risk is not against the rules

[brisk hill]

nahh bc i like rebuild youtube series

[silk thicket]

Good thing I’m not talking about being in no risk

[minor whale]

If they follow you around, or do it solely to prevent you from engaging with content continuously, it's griefing and a bannable offense and you really do sometimes see people banned for it

[silk thicket]

I’m talking about playing to solely disrupt another persons game play

[floral blaze]

Shit talk a guy at crabs and he brings his max main full dh 1hp

[small anvil]

Ya I'm just saying that the definition that this obfuscated guy is promoting is nonsense

Not having risk is not automatically breaking the rules

[restive storm]

i used to @ everyone in disc and people who quit the game would pull up on those ponies

[silk thicket]

Lmk where I said that mate

[minor whale]

But if it's just some random guy in shit gear once in a while it's not griefing and is in JMod words "just how they want to play the game"

[scarlet dawn]

Got 108 str anti crashing, its delicious

[silk thicket]

I’m giving an example lmfao

[brisk hill]

yes but you have to take it in context. jagex wanted to change how teleporting in/out of the wild works because of 1 item rags

so while what you are saying is correct

[silk thicket]

I didn’t say the definition is being in low risk

[brisk hill]

jagex still wanted to implement a change

[silk thicket]

I’m saying the definition is griefing and an example is 1 item crystal bow

[small anvil]

You're saying ragging =griefing and reportable . I'm saying that's not correct.

[silk thicket]

Lmk source for that info

[minor whale]

Those guys on pk worlds who hit you with an addy crossbow to stop you from getting legit fights are griefing and reportable

[brisk hill]

we are saying that jagex wanted to deal with rags by changing how teleports work

[floral blaze]

I think you are missing the context that he meant

[minor whale]

Some guy trying to fight you in the Wildy with a crystal bow every now and then isn't

[small anvil]

Jagex can make whatever changes they want as misguided as they are, but it's not reportable to be in 0 risk

[brisk hill]

i agree and thats not what anyone is saying

if jagex wanted to deal with rags

[small anvil]

I'm saying the definition being pushed is just off base

[brisk hill]

youd start by making it reportable

not changing telports

does that mean eeryone whos reported is guilty? no thats up to jagex

[silk thicket]

Why are u focusing on something I didn’t say?

I said

Ban raggers

[small anvil]

You did say that

[silk thicket]

Lmao

I said

It’s ragging

Everyone knows it’s bannable

I didn’t mention anything like what ur suggesting

[vivid ruin]

Have a buddy who has a scout we use for callisto sometimes.

His scout did like 5 damage to the pker before him and his crew dove in.

Dude died to callisto and the scout got his key

[small anvil]

Ragging is not inherently bannable

[silk thicket]

So once again I say ban raggers ty 👍

[small anvil]

Targeted ragging is

[silk thicket]

Ye

Ban them

[brisk hill]

i think thats what hes referring to

lol

[silk thicket]

They don’t get banned

Jesus Christ the night

[silk thicket]

Yes

[brisk hill]

something that 99% of the game doesnt deal with

[small anvil]

People can 1 item wander into the wildy and do whatever and it's not against the rules as it is now

[silk thicket]

Agreed

[brisk hill]

yea

we agree

lol

[small anvil]

You're claiming it is against the rules by saying "everyone knows it's bannable"

[scarlet dawn]

It shouldnt, agreed

[brisk hill]

is buddy even reading

[small anvil]

That's what I was objecting against

Unless it is targeted harassment it is not inherently bannable

[brisk hill]

we are making a suggestion fella

if jagex wants to deal with 1 item rags in wars

make a reportable offence for it

[floral blaze]

Scroll up above his message, he was talking about being ragged by 1 item crystal bow. That is the context

[brisk hill]

otherwise dont touch it

👍

[restive storm]

smh bro just logged in and realized i AM that p4gy guy with the 4 clients up

this game is down so bad

[scarlet dawn]

If done now and then, that shouldnt be 'banable', if it happens the whole time it is already reportable

[brisk hill]

https://i.imgur.com/BxcrtGB.png

this was their goal with changing how teleports works

"healthier" = dealing with 1 item raggers in wars

[small anvil]

Guy was claiming it was already against the rules from what I read, which is not the current state of affairs

Didn't see it as a proposal to change it to be the rules

[brisk hill]

👍

just wanted to calrify thats why we are on a tangent about ragging

[small anvil]

If the suggestion is make 1 item bannable instead of the tele changes maybe I missed it

[vivid ruin]

Curious if a scout slapping a pker is considered ragging

[small anvil]

My concern was about accurate representation of what is/isn't against the rules

Unless it's happening over the course of hours/days I highly doubt jagex would actually do anything

[minor whale]

I think both Jagex can want them to be less of an issue while also making it not a reportable offense
Not all things deemed too strong by them are things that are outwardly needing reports or bans, but a limit on it

Sorta like how clan bingos and giveaways are "technically" player run games of chance but it's not an equivalent thing to what they do deem punishable

[brisk hill]

the changes described argue differently unfortunately

because this isnt even targetted towards 1 person

[minor whale]

Getting the harassers out is already a reportable offense but it could probably just have its own section similar to how pvp cheating has its own report section now

[scarlet dawn]

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Griefing

[minor whale]

Harassment - ragging or some shit like that

[brisk hill]

luring aggressive monsters onto another player is a non-reportable grief.

thank god bc i got so many ppl killed doing sailing

[minor whale]

That page doesn't have any JMod proof/sources unfortunately but it does say ragging isn't reportable

[small anvil]

The salvage spot right next to krakens

Pirate salvage iirc?

[minor whale]

JMods have absolutely said that they don't ban simple raggers because "that's just how they want to play the game"

[restive storm]

3 minutes in and a pure w/ webweaver/claws/elder maul tries to skull.... i h8 whatever jmod created skull prev man

[scarlet dawn]

'Only if the intent is purely malicious'

[small anvil]

Before a 2nd double spot was found

[scarlet dawn]

Paying money for off is malicious

[minor whale]

Yeah ragging is allowed but harassment via ragging isn't
And the money for off shit is obnoxious in pvp worlds

[scarlet dawn]

Constant hits by the same rags is too

[brisk hill]

ban streamers who make hcim pay for off!

omg!

it is pretty telling though that even if they dont have a rule for it they are trying to make some kind of change to combat it

[restive storm]

agreed

[scarlet dawn]

Yeah, rather enforcing theyre introducting workaround such as the tele change, or the alternative to have X amount of risk

[small anvil]

(arguably they aren't, they just say they want decisive fights, not like there's a risk threshold in the actual proposal)

[brisk hill]

risk threshold suggested by clanners

[restive storm]

them wanting "decisive fights" is the most backwards thing ive ever heard since they implemented singles+ and probably 99% of fights have no actual "winner"

[small anvil]

Ya people have suggested it

[brisk hill]

wrong tbh. clans have decided who has won and lsot for over a decade. this is why clans close

[small anvil]

Like I think most people agree it's a misguided change at best

[brisk hill]

the ppl decide and jagex will never change that imo

[scarlet dawn]

Imagine having to price check your standard gear if it reaches the minimum

Daily that is

[brisk hill]

pures gonna be in elder robes to enter wildy 😋

[small anvil]

Imagine if you manipulate the ge to win a clan war

Cuz the opposing clans standard return set will be dropped below

[brisk hill]

l0lll0

only clan big enough to do that...

[restive storm]

hey man back off

[narrow folio]

Is this about a min risk to even enter the wild? Hard no from me.

[brisk hill]

not to enter nah

[narrow folio]

To fight others?

[scarlet dawn]

Nice 10k bot kills!

[brisk hill]

to not have a tele restriction when returning

[small anvil]

The teleport change

[brisk hill]

x amt of risk when dead = no timer to return

[narrow folio]

Interesting

Or like a coffee

Coffer

[brisk hill]

coffer is double dipping

ppl already lose gp by pvp

only youtubers make "grandiose bank" lol

[scarlet dawn]

Oh damn a coffer would lead pkers to rwt more

[brisk hill]

or @restive storm bc he doesnt toss bonds..

[restive storm]

ive realized my actual reason is i have to hoard gold to buy votes when they next poll -xp lamps

[dawn jackal]

the risk threshold is a very ugly fix imo

[restive storm]

we cant fail by 2% again

[narrow folio]

I was thinking how rev caves does the fee

But i dont think theres any problem rn

[brisk hill]

better than the other proposed changes, at least in the minds of those who actually engage in multi pvp

👍

[small anvil]

Just more pages to the wildy specific rules nbd

[scarlet dawn]

You cant really compare revs with multi zone clanning. In revs you would rarely die. During clanning you can die 10 times.

[dawn jackal]

the teleport timer is already a new system and then having more complexity on top of that is a bit unfortunate

[floral blaze]

Well if they want to go through with it then that is the best way to do it, just that they need to account for pure risk and main risk.

[restive storm]

yeah in revs its impossible to die currently unless you're bad

[dawn jackal]

but maybe unavoidable idk

[brisk hill]

they should just leave it alone

no one is asking for these changes

[dawn jackal]

yea i think that's the answer

[brisk hill]

pvm'ers (respectfully) have no clue what it changes and pkers are just pissed

dumb move by them imo

[scarlet dawn]

X amount of GP risk isnt practical at all

[brisk hill]

also if you rly think about it, the change as described only hurts smaller teams. you favor massive open cc's w/ that change

[restive storm]

i miss my little teams man

[icy relic]

They probably should just have left wildy as it was to begin with, it was purely organic and bred its own gameplay for better or worse

[restive storm]

crazy when ppl tell me that i just wanna pile noobs for gp with no pj timer

when ive easily made 15x what i ever made team pking w/ singles+

[icy relic]

Every attempt to pigeonhole it into something else to make it 'healthier' just makes it feel more disconnected

[brisk hill]

i just wanna be able to hop to any world at a loc and see ppl :c

remember days of revs just goiung down the list as a squad

[restive storm]

WWW jif

[brisk hill]

[restive storm]

not taking 45 seconds to hop a world

[brisk hill]

45 seconds to hop, 25 seconds to check the loc, time to hop again. only 277 more worlds

[scarlet dawn]

Not having to hop would be much nicer of course 🙂

[icy relic]

Even when we were 10 years old it only takes a few deaths to kinda figure out what you can and can't do

[restive storm]

ive made prob like 13-15b from singles+ pking in 2.5 years, when i made maybe 1.5b from team pking in like 8 years

and id instantly give it all back for the vibes

[brisk hill]

?

[floral blaze]

Too much pandering and coddling killed the wildy

[restive storm]

:3

[vivid ruin]

Oops

[icy relic]

Pandering to people who aren't going to participate no matter how many carrots you throw at them

[scarlet dawn]

I wrote the other day, I preferably want all beneficial things from the wildy gone. Have couple wildy worlds. All other worlds have no wildy (black area after the ditch)

[restive storm]

my man jif just absolutely on fire today

[restive storm]

"beneficial" as in account prog? or money/skilling too?

[scarlet dawn]

Any content that overpowers outside wildy content, or just anything at all (idk/idc)

[dawn jackal]

the design of the wildy is inheritely problematic, i'm sure in 2001 or whenever it was a "wouldn't it be cool if" thing. but at this point it should be embraced for its uniqueness of this wild place where bad things are likely to happen to you unless you learn it's systems

[restive storm]

"anything at all"? I dont get so like why would anyone ever go there

[brisk hill]

how do you draw out the bottom feeders of pvp though?

[dawn jackal]

instead of trying to give people good experiences in the wildy

[brisk hill]

based

[brisk hill]

i think this removes the bottom rung of said food chain though

there would be no reason for noobs to go try and pk

[scarlet dawn]

Thats ok, pkers just want to pk

[restive storm]

yeah pls dont kill the bees

if that was the case pvp worlds would be booming

[dawn jackal]

if anything it should be more dangerous for spademan to enter the wildy

[restive storm]

wildy has endured due to it being an actual ecosystem

[brisk hill]

yea but brand new timmy isnt gonna have a good time at all if he runs into squintz his first time out

he kinda needs to kill something

[restive storm]

they HATE to see me go shwoof around that corner

[scarlet dawn]

Thats okay

[restive storm]

and then a turbo maxer hits em

[floral blaze]

Revert wilderness to 23 Nov 2017

[restive storm]

like this guy earlier

el no sabe

[dawn jackal]

also, and maybe i'm misinformed, we get design theory paragraphs all the time for pvm and quests about what jagex is intending to do with the game. i don't think that's really exists for the wildy

[brisk hill]

i think if we go back to when you were active in pvp there were still beneficial reasons to go wild. i think removing all of it would just totally kill pking in wild. bh and lms would be meta

[restive storm]

absolutely not, but thats also just cuz they currently have no idea what they wanna do w/ it as a team and will not dedicate the time to actually discuss it

[dawn jackal]

i'm sure they WANT to delete the whole thing

[restive storm]

TRUE

[floral blaze]

It must be taboo to discuss wildy and pvp amongst the jagex dev team

They dont want to touch it with a 10 foot pole

[dawn jackal]

like i said i think it's a problematic system overall

[floral blaze]

Except to ruin it

[restive storm]

iamgine being the weenie thats like, excited for the wildy to lose pvp tho. Like how could you possibly excited to do vetion, but nothing interesting can happen you just spam it for 5k kills with the same old, walk, hit, walk hit

[dawn jackal]

but its legacy at this point

[analog crow]

Don't worry, the second they poll it that thing is gone

[scarlet dawn]

Why, because pking pvmers isnt possible anymore? Yea.. thats a pity

[dawn jackal]

they'll never poll "remove the wildy"

[analog crow]

Ofc they won't

[dawn jackal]

i'm just thinking that's what the devs would like to do

[restive storm]

well if you kill an entire foodchain then yea, there wouldnt be any little noobs to farm

[small anvil]

They know it would pass lmao

[floral blaze]

I wish, but theres too many virtue signallers amongst you

[dawn jackal]

because i would bet their engagement numbers are just awful for the wildy

as far as player retention and login times and etc etc

[restive storm]

worse than ever now w/ the pj timer

[small anvil]

Wildy is just neglected cuz they're no vision

[restive storm]

bot wasteland is a sad place to be rn tbh

[small anvil]

And it's like not a reasonable place to dedicate a lot of resources

[brisk hill]

oh dear

[small anvil]

From a roi perspective

[scarlet dawn]

Rather this than having an environment of pvmers dictating the wildy, thx to jagex ofc

[dawn jackal]

i'm sure the data exists where they see how long on average people log out after a death in all places on the map

[small anvil]

Dmm keeps running cuz it brings new subs and viewers

[restive storm]

i dont even understand the point you're trying to make tbh

like theres gotta be SOME baseline gp/skilling methods to encourage nooby pvpers to come out here

[small anvil]

And also it's not a huge dev investment cuz most of the work is already done

[restive storm]

they arent gonna dive straight into w304 altar as we've seen

"fair" 1v1 fights dont work lol

[small anvil]

Trying to get people to come into the wildy has been the vision for so long and it just hasn't worked lol

[restive storm]

it definitely used to

u know how many noobie pure teams were hitting chin hunters?

[small anvil]

More rewarding content is just more stuff for bots to do

[analog crow]

You can't turn back time

[dawn jackal]

more stuff for bots to do isn't necessarily a bad thing

[small anvil]

Like there's such a clear pattern of
"let's make rewarding stuff to entice people"
People don't come but it's really good gp, bots fill the void

[restive storm]

has nothing to do w/ time and everything to do w/ bad updates made to the game

[small anvil]

They tried that like 5 times in a row then finally realized it didn't work

[analog crow]

you keep talking about how good it was back in the day
those days will never come back

[restive storm]

why did it die the day they implemented the timer then?

[analog crow]

sad but u gotta accept it

[dawn jackal]

it sounds like just being in multi would make a bottable money maker fine

[floral blaze]

Imagine if OSRS didnt get any updates in 2014 and the game flatlined... "Oh well you can't turn back time"

[scarlet dawn]

If you have to put pvm stuff into the wild to attract pvm pkers, in turn attracting actual pkers, the idea is just washed up

[restive storm]

i think u just have 0 understanding of the wildy and are trying to speak rather philosophically for no real reason

[dawn jackal]

i'm still curious what data they had that made multi revs untenable

we won't know but it's interesting

[restive storm]

bad press w/ rot vs venezuelan clans locking down total worlds

[analog crow]

I think you are reflexively dismissive of anyone you disagree with
To each our own

[small anvil]

Pvpers hoping for more sheep to hunt just are waiting for a savior that will never come

[restive storm]

im just saying that i have the expertise vs generic "we'll never have the old days again" mantra

[small anvil]

Pvpers best hope is that the activity of pvp is fun enough that it increases interest

[minor whale]

Surely one more unpolled wilderness change to entice pvmers will be the one to succeed

[restive storm]

i mean fair, which is why thats not what im asking for

throwing more loot pinatas and not addressing the pj timer isnt going to magically bring back the wildy

[floral blaze]

No its a form progression. If people had to fight sweats off the bat they wouldnt continue pking. You go from killing bots.. to gold farmers... eventually be decent enough to hold your own vs other pkers etc

[restive storm]

also meet friends along the way which shocker people like to play video games alongside friends

[floral blaze]

Yea that's also another huge thing. Teams/clans imo play a strong role in keeping people hooked and improving

[scarlet dawn]

You can have any of that without anything good in the wildy

[hard axle]

It really should be closer to BH with proper delays for rewards to avoid wintrading.

and Territory Wars

[brisk hill]

have u ever hit a 19 on 22 hp for claws?

[hard axle]

especially with more and more powerful weapons becoming dirt cheap, pvp is more and more accesible than ever

[restive storm]

its just gonna be wildy incomplete and dead

like basically pvp worlds rn, how active are those?

[scarlet dawn]

Bingo

[restive storm]

so you just want no pvp at all is basically what you're saying

[scarlet dawn]

Actual pkers avoiding actual pkers

[restive storm]

man thats why im saying remove the pj timer so pkers are forced to fight pkers

like are you missing the entire point?

that happens constantly everyday and is why the wildy is dead lol

im agreeing with you

pkers dont fight each other cuz if you're outmatched you just freeze log

[brisk hill]

tbh im shocked by some of bibii's takes seeing as he is a retired multi clanner!

[scarlet dawn]

Why?!

[restive storm]

i dont even really get where hes coming from lol, he's just in a really round-a-bout way making the same points i am

[brisk hill]

removing all beneficial content from wildy isnt the play tho

[restive storm]

yeah i mean thats obviously crazy talk lol

[brisk hill]

i understand ironmen not wanting to go there for key unlocks

[scarlet dawn]

Yeah its unfortunate pvp doesnt attract actual pkers

[brisk hill]

it does to bh

but thats 1 style of pking

pvp world nhing - why would you? just spec trading in edge until some1 ko's the other

[restive storm]

dont forget this is also deep wildy currently

[scarlet dawn]

You can use your revs as example, I will use f2p low wildy pking as argument

[brisk hill]

yea but take f2p as an example

w/o rune rocks there is no rune rocks

???

remove rune rocks

why go there

[scarlet dawn]

Dont!

[brisk hill]

if rune rocks never existed it wouldve never been a pk spot

[scarlet dawn]

Make the map smaller

[brisk hill]

is the point!

[restive storm]

yeah idk bibii got me totally lost

if you wanna make like a concise point that makes sense lmk

rn i dont even understand the points you're trying to make

[upper lichen]

ngl i miss 2015 pure nh @ varrock square, any idea what ruined it back then? i remember people slowly started going edge

[brisk hill]

i mean f2p is as basic as it gets right. ppl are at rune rocks for gp and mining or w/e. ppl are hopping there to kill the miners. ppl are then hopping to kill them.

[upper lichen]

was it the spec transfer meds with dscim infinite dds or what

[brisk hill]

idk tbh, wasnt my cup of tea tbh

i always preferred nh in deep wild

[restive storm]

west drags will forever be my GOAT but 2020 black chins even ill admit was the best era of pking hands down

every day was different

[upper lichen]

i did both but preferred pvp worlds to avoid lvl 110s at black chins etc

[icy relic]

doin my duty boys

[brisk hill]

nh'ing in edge feels to manufactured tbh. do a lot of work just for buddy to house tab after we dump specs

i remember when they spoke about nh BH

for 2 seconds

[vivid ruin]

I have 4 accounts i need to tend my duties to later

[brisk hill]

[restive storm]

yeah, in a similar way, before to pj timer i just went out there and had fun, if i made a lotta money that was great

feels like nowadays i just make gp, whether or not i have fun is kinda secondary cuz its too hard to have fun

esp by yourself cuz everyone else quit 🙁

like no way i just got a big pk, lemme go celebrate, wait all my friends quit and nobody cares

[brisk hill]

sadbee

[restive storm]

whereas before people planking in stupid ways was literally half the fun

[upper lichen]

i mean clans exist (clan broadcast for ur 240m pk) but i get what u mean

not the same as before

[brisk hill]

mmo turned chatbot game

[restive storm]

like im not in discord with them, cuz why would i be? they cant do anything for me in singles, we all just play ironman while sitting there together

we used to be in there for YEARS talkin nonsense, helpin each other survive etc

[limber creek]

smh multi bait them and mace them squinttz. You know the law.

[restive storm]

the "solo player" rained supreme ig, and killed it for all groups of friends

[minor whale]

I'm just being real, they're not gonna remove PJ timer and you're not gonna convince pvmers that it's good for them to remove
Pvp has never been safer and you're not gonna be able to make the majority of people want to make it more dangerous again

[restive storm]

max we ever ran with was like 10 heads when we masssss massed, we weren't gonna be macing anyone

[upper lichen]

ohh u meant like vc shenanigans, yeah it doesnt make much sense to pk with mates in singles nowadays

[restive storm]

that happened like once lol

[minor whale]

Like the most I could possibly see them doing is making it so if skulled you can be pjed

[restive storm]

usually 4-5

[icy relic]

can't even grab your buddies to hunt down bots

[restive storm]

this would be 100% fine by me btw

[minor whale]

But for normies not skulling up you're not gonna get that back or it'd cause a massive massive riot

[restive storm]

they SHOULD increase rewards for being skulled in this case tbf

it just gives a little more dynamic to the wildy

[limber creek]

i know somewhere that has incentive to be skulled for greater reward!

[upper lichen]

was fun back then with og pj timers, but i'll admit i was too scared to bring any real risk because anyone could've been a lemon/fl etc bait acc

[restive storm]

this was a good thing to keep gear somewhat in check imo

it made pking more accessible

[limber creek]

accessability is what now is. I can freeze log on a giga, on a trackpad with my feet.

[restive storm]

nowadays if you arent out in at least a 30m set in singles, like who are you planning on killing? lol

[limber creek]

Im killing the dudes in 30m sets

[restive storm]

sec sry we got a live one

[upper lichen]

thats true tbh, its just that it looked so cool being in absolute max

now its much more safe but im gigawashed :):)

[restive storm]

he.... he logged out cuz he got 5d

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-18989970

up 250 dmg

on a pure

[scarlet dawn]

So do you have anything new on your shopping list? @brisk hill

[brisk hill]

i think the only way a change is by maing the "predator vs prey" crowd realize the current system promotes what they dont like: being preyed

[minor whale]

Good luck because most people simply don't agree that the PJ timer makes them prey vs without it

[restive storm]

i mean yea thats cuz they dont understand the wildy but what else is new

how you think we got here lol

[minor whale]

I definitely have a way easier time escaping now with PJ timer

Like we're retreading an old convo

[restive storm]

yeah its TOO safe for players with 1/4 of a brain for sure

thats the problem, not noob friendly, and too friendly for pvmers with brains

[scarlet dawn]

Singles is way too safe

[restive storm]

"its good cuz i never die" like congrats u beat the 25th percentile IQ test

wait for 5-7 sec on freeze then freeze them lol

[minor whale]

Ok so good luck convincing the bottom of the barrel that it's better for them actually, and not convincing the normal people that it's worse for them, without making it obvious that that's never gonna pass a poll or even come close without a majority of players being pissed off

[hard axle]

that's why unfortunately Jagex needs to be more game integrity

[restive storm]

thats why it should be integrity not a poll

[hard axle]

the same people hated bp nerf when it was an increasing abomination

[restive storm]

they have to grow a spine again like they used to have

[hard axle]

if we listed to those people, unnerfed bp with unrestricted quiver, masori, treads, vambs, venator ring would probably beat out tbow

people loved totemic vbow interaction, but jagex said

[floral blaze]

Mod Mat K retires and pvp gets bad update after bad update, bring Mat K back 👍

[restive storm]

Mat K, Jed, idc really who they bring back but please make a good update for once xD

[scarlet dawn]

An update that promotes pkers to pk actual pkers

[brisk hill]

yes! allow skulls to pj skulls

[floral blaze]

The 2020s dont seem to be our decade, maybe in the 2030s brother.

[thick beacon]

I feel like pkers dont even know what they want for pvp to be great ngl

[brisk hill]

thats fair we are pretty split

some say pj timer is good, some say it needs tweaks, some say it needs to be removed. and thats just 1 topic on somet jagex already decided, let alone new content

imagine feelings in office are similair l0l

doubtful but funn y to think about

[restive storm]

remove pj timer, add multi revs, that is all tyvm

you can put back the spec timer w/o pj timer thats totally fine btw, that existed before anyway

people weren't just spam dumping claws/dbows everytime they attacked the person lol

[icy relic]

new content isn't going to pass anyway

jagex has created a bad feedback loop

where the worse the state of the wildy is the more people who will spite vote all wildy stuff

there's just too many layers of it, even if they rolled back a lot of the changes at this point it wouldn't necessarily bring new blood to the wildy, it would maybe bring back some existing pkers who don't like the current system

[restive storm]

https://imgur.com/gallery/loot-from-100k-cannonballs-pkd-rev-cave-green-dragons-wildy-slayer-areas-KlShfkN 7 years ago man... before i made any friends out there bless me what a noob i was

https://tenor.com/view/sad-tearing-tearing-up-guy-meme-gif-18376284545860618849

bro the last sentence has me in tears even back then i knew lmfaooooo

[brisk hill]

ppl who dont pk complaining about bank space, look at this monstrosity we endure

[restive storm]

bro that was so long ago there wasnt 1/4 the junk we have today lool

the 1.2k noted toadflax off some random idiot that teled to bandit camp man ill never forget 🥲

ahh back when bonds were like 3m.... good times

[floral blaze]

True. It would be very difficult to get worthwhile content to pass polls with the current system

[floral blaze]

It would be better than the state of steady decline that the wildy is enduring. I believe multi revs had the perfect design for a pk spot inclusive towards both lower combat levels and mains alike.

Whether it sees the same level of activity after all these years, probably not without tweaks. The golden era was supported by different factors including it being one of the top 2/3 best money makers in the game at the time and also a whole country participating, also covid. It would be a net positive regardless looking at the current state of things.

[ripe hare]

Dogwater update

[tacit wharf]

today was tuesday, there was no update today

[restive storm]

agreed covid definitely played a factor in it, but regardless even after that was largely gone the wildy still was significantly more active than it is now

2018/2019 was still great out there tho

[floral blaze]

I mostly did play pre covid and it was still very packed then

[restive storm]

yea, definitely golden age of the wildy

[floral blaze]

I never had trouble finding other noobs to team up with

Good times

[limber creek]

New blood to the wildy? Oh like multi revs used to bring

[thick beacon]

what do pvp commuity even envision at this point in terms of growing it?

idk what change jagex can even make to get people to pvp outside of dmm

or have u guys given up on new pvpers and just want existing pvp commuity to be happier

[limber creek]

a high risk high reward activity that i can go to with my boys. and own or get owned. Multi revenants is a good example.

[floral blaze]

Fwiw these days its very possible to recruit 70-100 nooby virgin pures into a clan every week. I'm sure with a worthwhile update many will be more keen to pk.

[vivid ruin]

I feel like part of the problem can be the disconnect between pking vs those who have never tried because they dont understand how it works

[floral blaze]

The population is there, its just a matter of enticing them for sure

[vivid ruin]

And theres so many ways to pk

[thick beacon]

im pretty ignorant to the pvp commuity but I thought bounty hunter update was gona pop off. from my outside perspective idk if that even did much

[limber creek]

100 bro just because i love nh doesnt mean everyone should go out there and just nh off the bat LOL

[limber creek]

Bounty hunter was a good update if you wanna venge pk. I only really venge to anti so not an update for me. But im not mad they got it. Im happy the pvp community got a decent minigame for once. That actually entices risk.

[vivid ruin]

Some people stick to pking at GE, some BH which is singles pking. Some like to pk bots. Some like to stick in groups of 20 and less. Some like to go to huge clans and massacre everything in sight

[limber creek]

Shouldve been auto skull inside but... u know

theyve only had a year to fix it.

i love how we cater updates to ironmen to avoid messing up something for them.
Like the integrity change of the hop timer.
Then it completely screws over pvpers that have to hop a lil more than usual.

Oh you wanted to hop again? Sorry buddy you can play again tomorrow.

Been hit with it 3 nights in a row seriously contemplating just playing ashes again.

[brisk hill]

@thick beacon something similair to old multi revs is what most of the clan scene wants, and thats most of the multi community lol

it doesnt have to be multi revs

but the forumla was figured out

[vivid ruin]

Yeah i think multi revs would be a huge boost

Revs are far too rewarding as pvm content to not have such high risk

[brisk hill]

and pls no more typeless damage

[floral blaze]

Yeah the current state of the rev caves is very disappointing

[vivid ruin]

Literally bot heaven

[limber creek]

i have a bulwark and a mage prayer. I am akin to a god.

[vivid ruin]

With 200k in risk lol

[limber creek]

you know who wouldnt care about a bulwark and mage prayer

[floral blaze]

Survivability is also high. Camping mage pray with dinhs and chugging brews in the most braindead fashion is almost always an escape unless the pker is risking 1b

[limber creek]

10 of your finest shooters.

[fresh forge]

I’ve not seen the hop timer and I hopped a fair bit the other day - when does it kick in?

[limber creek]

Right when things are getting good 🙁 lmao. its like after 150 hops or some shit.

[floral blaze]

Ironmen also have their knight safespot that they can instalog from when the cheat plugin flashes

Frankly I dont give a shit about that but all these goes to show that the caves are a joke

[limber creek]

Autobot and decepticon heaven brother.

[vivid ruin]

Would you guys push rev cave further into wild

[floral blaze]

I would just make it multi tbh

[limber creek]

Id rather just hit all combat levels everywhere personally but thats not what the wild is centered around.

Just make rev caves multi would be enough to keep me from bitching for at least 2 weeks.

[vivid ruin]

Fair

[small anvil]

If the number of worlds wildy was enabled on was like cut to 1/4 pkers would like it right? Higher density less hopping?

[limber creek]

Id bully tf outta level 3 scouts.

[brisk hill]

nah i think leave it where it was. it allowed for interesting dynamics in fights between pures & mains and the in between accs

what we cant have is it sitting in lvl 7 like chaos temple where ppl are limited to what/who they can pk w/

[brisk hill]

yes

this would help

[limber creek]

pvm johnnies that plan on going to get a voidwaker in 5 years on their shrimp locked ironmen would fuss to much for it to ever pass.

[vivid ruin]

Shrimp locked ironmen

[limber creek]

Pkers just wanna make it easier to kill me specifically! Downvote now!

[fresh forge]

When I was a kid I always assumed the top level of wilderness was a free for all.

Tbh I think when I first played global duelling existed and was used to handle crashing

[brisk hill]

they're already nerfing this aspect in dmm w/ brackets

[limber creek]

Deadman mode is just swapman mode and let rot or eop or whoever play lol. I could legitimately care less about seasonal game modes...

[vivid ruin]

If wildy was reduced to 1/4 of the worlds, me and my ~10 man team probably wouldn't be in multi much because of some of these huge clans

[brisk hill]

it would b rly funny to see the multitudes of rev bots/wildy boss bots in singles

[brisk hill]

focus main game agree

[brisk hill]

that's unfortunate bc you'd think it would make running into teams easier

[small anvil]

A lot of people don't like fighting anything that fights back though =/

[fresh forge]

Means they can’t 10vs1 a clogger

[tacit wharf]

problem was u got less and less 3-10 man teams going out and more 15+ teams as the years went on cuz people joined bigger and bigger clans

[vivid ruin]

Yeah i wouldn't mind the average team, but some of these clans are outrageous

[brisk hill]

mehh ill 10v1 a clogger in hopes of his cash stack any day of the week tbh im the wrong crowd

[limber creek]

Yeah if you're having trouble pvming in the wilderness try a rune crossbow and a ring of recoil. It'll make the pker have to eat and break momentum if you get lucky.

Veng and voidwaker is even better

[limber creek]

Or small friend groups that merge into open cc's lol.

[small anvil]

But yeah I think limiting wildy to fewer worlds is step one of fixing things in the wildy

But I'm not a pker

[brisk hill]

it would def be a step

[small anvil]

Just know how vast and empty the wildy is

[limber creek]

As much as i'm for the idea, i love it and have previously said it.
I just never think it will pass into the game.

[vivid ruin]

This is pretty much what we're forced to do sometimes. Which can be fun, but its not the same vibe

[brisk hill]

wildy gets brought up when they talk about changing how teleports work lol

gg

[small anvil]

They did mention how they were aware of adding all those worlds affecting wildy iirc

[limber creek]

Yes teleports the #1 issue in the wilderness right now.

its not even in the top 10

[small anvil]

Back when the populations were super high

[oblique mesa]

Please add blighted brews / blighted super combats / blighted ranging pots / blighted new foods so I can use them ~~ on~~ my ironman in instanced worlds to PK

[brisk hill]

they also mentioned keeping an eye on pvp arena and bh

[tacit wharf]

open cc's where the middle ground, fkin loved joining ph and welfarers in fally and then going to pk around bh back in rs2, till ph went main clain and well welfarere and jaja became the trash of the wilderness

[limber creek]

https://tenor.com/rjdz9NpxPl7.gif

[floral blaze]

Imo from multi standpoint, a reduction of wildy worlds should be coupled with a good multi update. I can understand the pov of a smaller team getting found by bigger teams repeatedly because they aren't kept occupied. More volume of players = more variety in teams, also higher chance of big fish fighting big fish than troubling small fish

[brisk hill]

at least lms has new moons armor though

tbf that was smart because it changed meta in wildy. allowing ppl to use it in a safezone was a good call

[vivid ruin]

This is lowkey where i got the singles ++ idea from but who am i lol

[brisk hill]

ye big fish want other big fish not tadpoles

[limber creek]

But big fish aren't above eating small fish.
Its a part of the wilderness foodchain as always.

I can't always have pizza.
So ill eat a sandwich,
Even if i want a pizza.

[small anvil]

Outside of the disdain for rot specifically, multi revs was a neat historical point in time

[vivid ruin]

If they reduced the worlds to 1/4 of them avail, made the map a bit bigger. Added singles ++ zones. Made rev cave multi. I think thatd be beneficial. Singles ++ would be the mid point between multi and singles

[small anvil]

What's ++, 3 people on 1 max or smth?

[vivid ruin]

Yeah

[brisk hill]

i think more zones just adds more clutter and rules to an already complciated system :v

[limber creek]

Heres the issue though. We get maybe 1 change for the next 2-3 years bro.

Hence the two im pushing lol

[small anvil]

If we think about dev time required , wildy disabled on some% of worlds is like the lowest dev time required

So it's something jagex might actually go for lol

[brisk hill]

hmm idk, do any worlds function like this already?

is there any system like this in game already?

i mean in f2p

going to p2p

so it exists i guess(???) but im not jagex obviously